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tom hunter

Thought I would leave you with some summer reading. Here’s a YouTube video of a talk in a San Francisco bookshop by one David Satter, a Russian-speaking, longtime observer of Russia who has lived there in Soviet and modern times.

One part of the talk specifically dealt with the strange series of apartment bombings in Russia in 2000 as the Yeltsin government was coming to a close, events that greatly aided the already fast-rising Putin in becoming President. Andrei claimed that Satter’s claims and attacks on Putin and his cronies was a conspiracy theory!, which I think is weird, given that blame could easily be laid at the foot of Yeltsin cronies looking for a way to avoid the fallout from their corruption in the 1990’s.

So here’s the video, and you can judge for yourself the credibility of the man and his claims. I’ve added a transcript for the key portion dealing with the bombings, which starts at 22:36 in:

The Russian officials said there’s a Chechen trail in the bombings. Three hundred people blown up in the middle of the night, while they slept. But the wording was interesting itself: it said Chechen trail? No proof! Where’s the proof? But that trail, that so-called trail, was enough to begin the second Chechen War, which was even more bloody than the first Chechen war and which elevated Putin overnight into the national savior.

All talk about reversing the results of privatization, punishing the people who were responsible for the pillaging the country, settling with the Yeltsin entourage, was quickly forgotten as the country united behind the decisive, young leader who was going to avenge this attack by terrorists who were so cruel as to blow up ordinary people in their own homes.

Putin’s popularity skyrocketed and he was elected President – and with the overwhelming approval and support, I must add, of the international community, including the United States, and without any questions.

He strikes me as a fairly typical centre-Leftist who was not fooled by Soviet Communism but who was very unhappy about the neoliberal corruption of Russia that occurred under Yeltsin – corruption that is condemned by many Putin supporters – and who is not exactly impressed with the West!

But there was one incident, and this would have been actually quite successful, but the FSB is not the KGB – and I tell you this as one who has known both of them.

The FSB, for all their brutality, is a little short on competence, and they made a critical mistake, because there was a fifth bomb. A fifth bomb was placed in a basement in the city of Ryazan, on the night of September 22nd and it was discovered, unlike the other bombs, and it was tested and it was disarmed.

All of Ryazan was cordoned off, no one could enter or leave, and that included the railway stations, the airport, the roads. Every window in the city was plastered with a composite sketch of the bombers, who were seen by local residents, and they were captured.

A telephone operator overheard a telephone conversation that seemed to her very suspicious on the inter-urban line. In those days – this was long enough ago that they still were making calls through operators in some parts of Russia.

In any case, the person on the line said that, “they’ve got the whole city surrounded. How do we get out of here?, and the person on the other end of the line said, “split up and get out one by one”.

The operator was sure she was listening in on the terrorists. She gave the number to the local police, who were not clued in as to what was happening. They called the number. Turned out to be the central headquarters of the FSB.

Very incompetent. But it gets better:

Hours later they arrest the terrorists. They produced FSB documents. So this created a problem, and the head of the FSB got on national television and said I want to congratulate the residents of Ryazan. This was a test of vigilance. Congratulations. You did a brilliant job in demonstrating your vigilance. They even organized a ceremony in which they gave a new color television set to the operator. Only in Russia can something like that happen. All very funny of course – but the entire district had been cordoned off. Everyone had spent the night on the street.

Sounds like an episode of Blackadder!. Here is a video documentary exploring all this, and the TV coverage of the FSB head is seen there at 16:00, followed by a spokesman for the FSB months later on TV saying that it was an exercise. But back to Satter’s talk:

It is a tribute to the unwillingness to know and to face the truth – that no one raised this issue. Not the US. Not Europe. Russian society, Russian civil society was disorganized. A war was going on in Chechnya. A new election was coming up.

And despite efforts to ask, well what are you talking about, who put that bomb in the building? It was successfully covered up, Putin was elected President and the whole incident was all but forgotten, except for a few people who continued to investigate and formed a committee to find out the truth about the Ryazan incident.

Of those people I was in contact with almost everyone. And I myself decided that this is just unbelievable, and I went to Ryazan and I talked to people. I talked to the Police. I talked to the residents of the building that was supposed to be blown up. And there was no one who believed that this was a training exercise. And there was no evidence to support the idea that this was training exercise.

On the contrary, the gas analyzer which tested the bomb, tested positive for hexagen, the high explosive used in the other bombings. The detonator was photographed and time-stamped, and it was a real live military detonator. There was really no doubt that this was no training exercise. This was an attempt to bomb the building, and the building had three hundred residents, and it was on a hill, just above another building with three hundred residents. Had it been blown up it would have hit the neighboring building with the force of an avalanche, carrying away six hundred lives.

It didn’t happen, thank God. But that didn’t interfere with the regime’s plans, because the next day they began bombing Grozny.

A number of the investigators Satter worked with are now dead, some murdered, some in ‘accidents’, as he wrote about here in National Review.

You can also read about more recent mysterious deaths of Russians, as partially documented here in The Atlantic and focusing on one in particular:

Perepilichny jogged through a neighborhood of homes once owned by Elton John, Kate Winslet, John Lennon, and Ringo Starr.

He collapsed on Granville Road, within 100 meters of the house he was renting for $20,000 a month. Police and medics were called to the scene, but within 30 minutes, Perepilichny was pronounced dead.

Police told the press the death was “unexplained.” A 44-year-old man of average build and above-average wealth had simply fallen down and died in the leafy suburb he’d recently begun calling home.

The number of prominent, connected Russians who have died in such strange ways – ways not usual for crime syndicate killings – is quite large, and still growing. But strangely enough, the people who regularly quote Russia Today, Sputnik, Veterans Today, theSaker and other such news sites – and who seem to love this sort of stuff – are nowhere to be found on these issues.

Have a great summer!
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December 19, 2016 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  This elimination thing sounds similar to those who crossed the Clintons.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:08am
  - Gabby
    
    But not so made up.
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:18am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Yes – nothing about the Clinton’s suggest they’re lawless at all.
      
      Nothing about Bill’s extensive history of abusing young women and lying about it (“Ah did not have secshual relaytions with that woman”) Never happened.
      
      Hillary never played fast and loose with her nation’s national security by setting up a private email server and taking months and months to release the emails when subpoenaed. Never happened.
      
      Never engaged professional agitators to disrupt Trump events – nope that didn’t happen either.
      
      Never lied to the American people – at all, not once – remember the Hillary “I remembered arriving in Bosnia under gunfire” (except there wasn’t any – or if there was – the little girls handing over the flowers didn’t seem to mind).
      
      No problem at all with Clinton struggling to accept the election result in exactly the way she criticised Trump for (oh the irony of that one). Nope – and she had no problem conceding the election when it was clear the race was over – didn’t even think about sending the liar Podesta out to lie. No she’s a straight up individual.
      
      Nothing wrong with Clinton’s whole campaign being funded by foreign powers – because those powers were only interested in what was best for ordinary, decent Americans. Nope – not a problem with that for the Clintons.
      
      If any or even some of those things that didn’t happen noted above – had happened, then you’d have to say the Clintons were indeed capable of anything in their pursuit of power – including the staggering level of coincidence required for so many individuals doing good journalistic work (when the corrupt MSM won’t) investigating the Clintons – to die in such odd circumstances!
      
      Maybe you don’t believe Nixon was guilty (after all he wasn’t convicted either)!
      
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      December 19, 2016 4:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , the Clinton body bag garbage ?
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:48am
    - pentwig
      
      idiot
      
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      December 19, 2016 8:16pm
- Andrei
  
  Seen Elvis lately Tom hunter?
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:28am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks for this Tom – good reading as always. Cheers and best wishes for the hols.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:30am
- stephieboy
  
  tom hunter , linking “die MSM, die MSM “The Atlantic .Now who would of thought ?
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:52am
  - pentwig
    
    idiot again!!
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:17pm
- EAD
  
  Merry Christmas Tom Hunter,
  
  as a reading suggestion, may I recommend the excellent book Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil authored by Gérard Menuhin:
  
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01I0YD5KO/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1482093224&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=tell+the+truth+and+shame+the+devil&dpPl=1&dpID=51RVUSmwjTL&ref=plSrch
  
  I read it off the back of a review by Savant, and, like all the reviewers on Amazon, have been mightily impressed.
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2016/10/tell-truth-and-shame-devil.html?m=0
  
  Happy reading.
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:40am
NK

It’s Christmas Eve, eve, eve, eve, eve,eve.
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December 19, 2016 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  As Adam is alleged to have said….
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:38am
oldpark

Heard the unhinged knowall, a clown known as Barely Sober, commenting on Bill English’s ,new cabinet arrangements. Barely Sober seemed completely upset that the new arrangements didnt match his forecasts. Maybe it is time the knowall hung up his waste of space comments, and did something useful ,maybe even get a real job, or even stand for parliament,as he seems to think he knows how to run a Government. Truth is Barely Sober couldnt run a bath,he could even start his own party in combination with the other ratbag from Radio Live Duncan Garner. What a comedy act they would be,two clowns.
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December 19, 2016 8:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Barely is trying very hard right now as his child-wife doesn’t have a job any more.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:16am
- Morrissey
  
  Time for Barely Sober to take some time off and start “looking after” his hot young wife.
  
  Or is there someone else garnering her attention?
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:45am
  - Happychappy
    
    That’s a bit ruff Morrissey I hadn’t realized that DPF had offered a gossip segment to this site.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:53am
pdm

Tom Hunter – do you have your own blog?

If you do then that is where stuff like this belongs. If not get one.
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December 19, 2016 8:10am
- ross411
  
  He’s not exactly Hugh Paveletiching his posts. Or Stephieboying replies to everything.
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:21am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Ah yes – you don’t like what is being said so you’d rather he didn’t say it?
  
  Not a typical socialist view at all? Suppress, censor, blackball, attack – all the reasons why western civilisation has had enough of the boil that is cultural marxism.
  
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  December 19, 2016 4:50pm
Manolo

EAD will be on fire:
http://thehill.com/homenews/310937-kissinger-trump-a-phenomenon-that-foreign-countries-havent-seen
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December 19, 2016 8:10am
Manolo

The same country that wants to become an EU member:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-outcry-over-christmas-ban-istanbul-school-162456567.html

Berlin voiced outrage Sunday over an alleged decision by a German-backed international school in Istanbul to scrap Christmas festivities, although the claim was swiftly denied in Turkey.
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December 19, 2016 8:13am
Rodney Randall

“The Auckland Council is on notice and the fact that Labour and National can agree on what in the past has been a pretty controversial proposition is a strong signal to Auckland Council that central government could step in if it needs to.” Bill English 2016

Tough words Bill. What happened in the last few months and who got to you?

Are you going to step up and lead or kowtow to special interests like Key?
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December 19, 2016 8:18am
- Keeping Stock
  
  He doesn’t need to step in Rodney. He made that comment when the previous Auckland Council was dragging its heels on the Unitary Plan. Since then the plan has been passed, and house construction in Auckland is headed towards an all-time high:
  
  Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith says the second report shows building activity is at record levels nationwide.
  
  “This report shows annual construction activity across New Zealand has topped $31 billion, an all-time high, and is projected to reach $37b in 2017,” he said.
  
  “Residential construction is particularly strong… Auckland is expected to reach an all-time high of 13,332 homes in 2017 and stay at record levels until 2022.”
  
  The report predicts 40 per cent of homes in Auckland will be apartments or townhouses in five years.
  
  And with the release of the report, the Government has also sent a last ditch warning to the Auckland Council ahead of the release of its unitary plan tomorrow – approve the plan or the construction boom might not happen.
  
  “We should make no bones, the Auckland Unitary Plan is pivotal to the long term solution to Auckland’s housing woes,” Dr Smith said.
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/building-boom-until-2021-set-boost-jobs-and-housing
  
  Len Brown and his band of merry men and women heeded the warnings from Key, English and Smith, the Unitary Plan passed, and building will continue at pace for the foreseeable future.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:40am
  - Happychappy
    
    MSM don’t want to look at the facts as that doesn’t sell their product so they press on with the same old from the same source to confuse the issue.
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:48am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Agreed Happychappy, although in this case it’s Rodney using a selective quote without providing the context for it.
      
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      December 19, 2016 8:53am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    You’re figures mean nothing if the cost of land isn’t returned to true rural values.
    
    All this infill crap (dog kennels) will be drip fed onto the market with grossly inflated section prices as has been witnessed in chch.
    
    Dog kennels for 600k+
    
    The sooner this great big Ponzi scheme explodes and the protectionists are delt to the better for all New Zealanders.
    
    Highest house prices in the world relative to incomes.
    
    Nick Smith is an abject failure
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:16am
    - ross411
      
      No idea what you’re saying. Maybe a bit less emotion and a bit more reason.
      
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      December 19, 2016 9:23am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        http://www.imf.org/external/research/housing/
        
        Here you go Ross. I thought you might appreciate some colourful graphs being more of a visual person.
        
        In particular, the bottom 2 graphs.
        
        Let me know if you are still confused.
        
        Enjoy
        
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        December 19, 2016 9:55am
      - PhilBest
        
        Actually, Rodney Randall is talking sense, and the Kiwiblog consensus is disgracing itself, on this specific issue.
        
        The Unitary Plan will NOT result in housing affordability being restored any time until after an actual crash. It won’t even result in appreciable housing supply. Arthur Grimes nailed the problem in a 2010 paper, when the land supply is rationed, “all the profit potential from redevelopment is impounded in rising site values”. This is why decades of Urban Plans in Pommy cities has always resulted in ever-increasing shortfalls in actual houses being built, regardless of how much more generous the planners thought they were being with their upzonings. Upzonings as a conduit for “increased housing supply” are a guaranteed failure; the distortions from constraining greenfields supply, even allegedly “liberally”, always kneecaps intensification as well.
        
        The fastest-intensifying cities in the USA and probably the whole first world, happen to be ones that are also expanding the fastest horizontally, land values are anchored, and the market functions properly according to REAL economic evolution and demand for space.
        
        https://www.buildzoom.com/blog/can-cities-compensate-for-curbing-sprawl-by-growing-denser
        
        Sufficiently liberalised land supply actually would have to be like not having a Plan at all that explicitly rationed the supply of ex-fringe greenfields land.
        
        Something could, and should, have been done in 2008. Don Brash would have done something in his first term had he won in 2005. This is a heavily ideological political issue, whether “central planning” works or not. Any political party to the right of the centre should have its head properly screwed onto its shoulders over this.
        
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        December 19, 2016 10:54am
      - PhilBest
        
        It is interesting that my recollections from debating this topic online years ago, are that a real argument would get stirred up every time; there were defenders of the housing situation (it was a crisis long ago) who had their favourite opinions. It is nothing to worry about, the boomers ‘ad it tough too in their day with high interest rates; affordability is just as good now because of low interest rates; low interest rates are to blame, not the urban planners; immigrants are to blame, not the urban planners; “rampant free markets” are to blame, not the urban planners – etc, etc etc.
        
        Coming back here years later, it is interesting that no argument occurs any more, just anonymous downticks of anyone pointing out the now-monstrously undeniable reality, like in the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes. The breakthrough to widespread acknowledgement of the reality just hasn’t come yet.
        
        I am not a single-issue nutter, old KB-ers will know I am a bit of a polymath; but that does not mean I don’t see housing as the single biggest c*ckup committed by the National Party in its entire history. It will have terrible consequences one day, and I sincerely hope the delusion and denial does not survive that reckoning; otherwise the repetition of the cycle we have created will finish our economy off even if the first one or two cycles didn’t quite.
        
        KB is actually a bit of an outlier on this, showing what an “establishment National” organ it has become. There are enlightened people out there, of which Rodney Randall is an obvious example – and they are justifiably pi**ed off after all these years of squandered opportunity, and the monster that the bubble has been allowed to grow into. The size of it that was Helen Clark’s fault (circa 2006-2008), was bad enough and would have been painful enough to unwind.
        
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        December 19, 2016 5:19pm
    - holysheet
      
      Rodney Randall isn’t a reincarnation of Hugh our resident property knowitall is he?
      The small number of posts and the same shrill tone is a sure give away.
      Just saying
      
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      December 19, 2016 9:30am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Blaming Nick Smith for Auckland land prices is like blaming Gerry Brownlee for the Kaikoura earthquake.
      
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      December 19, 2016 10:14am
      - PhilBest
        
        Actually Bill English was right on the nail when he said a few years ago, “we can’t stand by and let a bunch of planners in an office in Auckland wreck the macro-economy”.
        
        It actually is that bad. Whoever conveyed that reality to Bill, is a good man. But the economic mechanisms by which the macroeconomy is wrecked are too complex for a general-purpose blog like KB. It is not just a social equity issue – I am economically libertarian, so I am not using terminology like this, like a lefty would. I see that in this case, central planning is responsible for destroying the good that free markets do – look at the affordability of most “produced” items for most people over time; well, that included housing for several decades, until the central planning Empire struck back under the guise of saving the planet from developers.
        
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        December 19, 2016 11:01am
Happychappy

Annette King Talking about this is not what we were promised about the National Caucus being refreshed.Well what a statement from a devious bitch who at the age of 69 wants to be the Health Minister in the Labour Party if they become the Government after the next Election and if they don’t she will leave Parliament.Annette should be talking about the dead wood in their own caucus before commenting on Nationals woes and what the average age of the Labour, Greens and NZ First Cabinet would be with two of the front runners being of the age of 72 and 69,
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December 19, 2016 8:22am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Whilst I agree with most of your sentiments Happychappy, referring to Annette King as a “devious bitch” is a bit gratuitous. Leave the abuse to the likes of Gabby and Morrissey.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:54am
  - Happychappy
    
    Point taken i get carried away sometimes.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:13am
  - Morrissey
    
    I wouldn’t describe even someone as loathsome as Judith Collins as a “bitch.” That sort of foul abuse is almost exclusively the province of the clueless right.
    
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    December 19, 2016 1:16pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Is that right Mossey… so yesterday when you posted the following you were being polite?
      
      “This daughter of a crook is a real embarrassment….
      Although, awful as she is, she’s a genius compared to her moronic younger brother”
      
      “Hell, I don’t even hate Bill himself, even though he’s a vile and hypocritical trougher”
      
      you didn’t use profanities so is that the test? If you are ‘cultured’ you can act like an arsehole and get away with it but if you’re a little bit crude you are just ‘clueless’
      
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      December 19, 2016 5:15pm
      - Morrissey
        
        It’s not abuse to correctly label a crook, or a vile and hypocritical trougher.
        
        And anyone who has seen this will agree that this bloke is—sorry to say it, but it’s true—a moron….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqVWKHTr1wM
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:41pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Who the fuck said you are correct?
        
        Who are you? Homer Simpson or some shit?
        
        Doh! I’m mossey cakes and cause me and the jerk circle at the strandard all think Donkey is crook therefore the world agrees!
        
        Man… for someone supposedly so smart, you are one stupid fucker
        
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        December 19, 2016 8:41pm
- oldpark
  
  Yes arrogant Annette King is really in denial regarding her own party. Seems they have lost three leaders this year up to now,and all is left is jetsom and flotsom.and dunderheads. Next time look who want to run NZ,with their joined at the hip “green party”,a scruffier bunch of aspirants would not be seen at the Christmas Day free food handouts,of course they would have alot in common with the freeloaders,competing with the genuine needy.Arrogant Annette King should look around her,and for once in her life,face reality.
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:16am
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Syria was where the phonetic alphabet was developed that we are using on this site?

How they went from that and this to were they are now ?

SYRIA

Matthew 5-7New International Version (NIV)

Introduction to the Sermon on the Mount

5 Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them.

The Beatitudes

He said:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Salt and Light

13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Murder

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a]and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Adultery

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Divorce

31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Oaths

33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]

Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Giving to the Needy

6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Prayer

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standingin the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[j]
but deliver us from the evil one.[k]’
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Fasting

16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Treasures in Heaven

19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[l] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[m] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Do Not Worry

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[n]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendorwas dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Judging Others

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Ask, Seek, Knock

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

True and False Prophets

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

True and False Disciples

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practiceis like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.
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December 19, 2016 8:22am
- Ole Bill Mole
  
  here endeth the first lesson….
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Find a church which will let you spout this tosh on a Sunday morning, don’t expect us to wear out our scroll wheels here.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:27am
- fernglas
  
  Is it just me, or has the proximity to the end of the year brought out a pair of right nutters; Tom Hunter the tendentious and Beesting the god-botherer? Bring back Penny Bright, I say; I like a dose of chuckle with my corny flakes.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:29am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Be careful what you wish for Fernglas 😀
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:41am
  - billmurray
    
    fernglass,
    Penny’s argument that there was a need for transparency in the letting of contracts by council, has proved to be correct by the convictions of a council officer and a roading contractor recently.
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You are aware that reading Penny’s diatribes with the resultant small up-chuck / gag will ruin that cornflake experience
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    No, no, not Penny Bright. That was why I stopped reading Kiwiblog. She is a one action nutter. I’m enjoying this blog without her. BTW, if you’re reading, Penny, how about paying your rates, you free loader, you.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:33am
- Swifty
  
  Way too long. Terrible for people on smartphones. Please desist.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Not only smartphones I can assure you . . . .
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:12am
- mandk
  
  Speaking as your Christian brother, BeeSting, allow me to offer you some advice about posting on this site.
  
  Argue for the existence of God.
  
  Argue for the Divinity of Jesus Christ.
  
  But don’t cut and paste huge chunks of the Bible, wonderful though the words are.
  
  As the responses to your comment show, it’s just not a great way to evangelise.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so Brother mandk. St Francis of Assisi nailed it; “Preach the gospel at all times, and where necessary, use words.”
    
    He was a wise man, ol’ Frank.
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:43am
- holysheet
  
  30 downticks and it’s gone
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:36am
- Rodney Randall
  
  And on the 7th day God took an almighty dump.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:40am
  - VicParking
    
    And Rodney was born
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:43am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      haha.
      
      The only way to the comments section is ‘through me’
      
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      December 19, 2016 8:55am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Creating, as he did, the left wing?
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:50am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      and fourth estate . . . (and by extension, real estate agents)
      
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      December 19, 2016 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  BeeSting says in his 8.22 post, which has been submerged by the reaction:
  
  Syria was where the phonetic alphabet was developed that we are using on this site?
  
  Nope, Buzzy, this is what Kiwiblog would like if it was written in the phonetic alphabet:
  
  ðɪs ɪz wət fənɛtɪk tɛkst lʊks lajk
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:14am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Didn`t even need to click “click here to see” to downtick this jibbering Mofo!
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Beelzebub, curiosity gets me to take a glimpse at what been hidden when a post is voted into suspension.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:54am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      Sometimes yes,but with that `tard Beestung it is fairly predictable that`ll be bible bullshit.
      
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      December 19, 2016 11:41am
- RF
  
  Shit.. I fell asleep reading that.
  
  Need another coffee.
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:46am
  - Kimbo
    
    “Blessed are the cheese makers”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A
    
    I know someone, now an Anglican bishop no less, who said it by accident when reading the Sermon on the Mount in a church service.
    
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    December 19, 2016 11:02am
    - Pateke
      
      Well it’s true then. What a friend we have in cheeses.
      
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      December 19, 2016 5:05pm
All_on_Red

Interesting data from Pew Research on the Future of World Population Growth- Religion and Public Life. April 2 2015

‘Islam will grow faster than any other major religion’
‘The number of Muslims will nearly equal the number of Christians around the world’
‘In Europe, Muslims will make up 10% of the overall population.’
‘As of 2010, Christianity was by far the world’s largest religion, with an estimated 2.2 billion adherents, nearly a third (31%) of all 6.9 billion people on Earth. Islam was second, with 1.6 billion adherents, or 23% of the global population.’
‘If current demographic trends continue, however, Islam will nearly catch up by the middle of the 21st century. Between 2010 and 2050, the world’s total population is expected to rise to 9.3 billion, a 35% increase.1 Over that same period, Muslims – a comparatively youthful population with high fertility rates – are projected to increase by 73%’
‘Globally, Muslims have the highest fertility rate, an average of 3.1 children per woman – well above replacement level (2.1), the minimum typically needed to maintain a stable population’
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
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December 19, 2016 8:48am
- Andrei
  
  Well if you have lesbian Anglican “priests” preaching abortion is a sacrament, men marrying one another and little boys brought up thinking they are really little girls you are part of a civilization that is on its way out…
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:59am
- cmm
  
  “If current demographic trends continue…”
  
  Except they don’t because there is a lag:
  1) Christians are not, well, making more Christians.
  2) Lots of Christians (especially in the West) are older people who are going to die in the next 10-15 years.
  
  On top of that less and less people who identify as Christians in a census are actually “functional Christians” whereas many more Muslims are “functional Muslims”…. or to put it another way: Lots of Catholics use condoms, very few Muslims eat bacon.
  
  That means we’re seeing an effective dilution of Christianity because Christian are only about 50% as religious as Muslims.
  
  So if we apply a 50% scaling factor to account for that then Islam is already the dominant religion.
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:18am
- Jack5
  
  But, All_on_Red, in some places, such as Britain, the Muslims are heavily into in-breeding which is causing them big genetic problems.
  
  Not to worry about such gloomy things in the days before Christmas. After all, sooner or later there will be nuclear conflict, which will reduce human populations – at least reduce them.
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:20am
  - Inandout
    
    Muslim in- breeding can lead to infertility, so the Lord does indeed work in mysterious ways. The downside of course is that the faulty offspring place a strain on our Western health systems.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:27am
    - Paulus
      
      In the UK one of the largest Health Service problems now comes from the interfamily relationships continuing within the close ghettos of the Muslims communities.
      Young girls as soon as they reach puberty are expected to continue to breed as often as possible often within a very short timeframe.
      Who they breed with is irrelevant – brothers, cousins and uncles – any male.
      Consanguinity as it is correctly called has historically over many hundreds of years has caused mental problems throughout the world.
      It is possibly what causes the madness of the so called warriors in the Middle East today and back to include the early European Royal families in the UK.
      This interrelationship within the Euro Muslims can only get worse as more generations of children are born with more and more serious mental problems.
      In the UK the Hospitals cannot cope with the increasing burden of children born into these circumstances.
      
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      December 19, 2016 11:09am
      - PhilBest
        
        Yes, I am constantly impressed reading accounts of battles between something like, say 6 SAS guys and up to 200 towel-heads, the fighting seems to just go on and on and on until all the towel-heads are dead; the Lord does indeed work in mysterious ways, so that up to 200 towel-heads shooting at 6 SAS guys for several hours, seldom seems to result in any actual hitting of target.
        
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        December 19, 2016 12:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Paulus , of course you can rattle off facts and figures to back up your claims ?
        
        Recall this kind of thing and look what happened ,
        
        The Nazis compare Jews to rats and breed like them ,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Iazwru7yE
        
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        December 19, 2016 1:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Their prolific breeding programme leads to intolerance of non producing gays. The old prophet knew very well that there is power in numbers, and especially so when multiple wives are factored in. I watched a fascinating Netflix doco on the worldwide scourge of rats, and how they have become immune to the usual poisons. The Vietnamese love to cook fresh rats that have been trapped and then drowned before roasting; remind me never to visit that country. However I digress, not that I consider Muslims as rats…….
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:21am
  - Morrissey
    
    not that I consider Muslims as rats……
    
    Your smarmy and dishonest disclaimer notwithstanding, that’s exactly what you’re doing. You may be pleased to know that you follow in a long tradition….
    
    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/17/15/cartoon-austrian.jpg
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:53am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      “You’re” Mr Blowarse. “Your” english needs attention – is it your second language?
      
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      December 19, 2016 5:58pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Even for you, that was a particularly incoherent post. Maybe you’d like to have another go?
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:44pm
  - MCos
    
    You can strike Thailand off your bucket list too.
    By the way, rats don’t taste too bad at all, mate, and l’m told snakes, grasshoppers, certain grubs, scorpions aren’t too bad either. My wife loves a good feed of chickens feet.
    A lot of the Thais who live on the farms upcountry where they eat some pretty unusual food are in pretty good shape. In Bangkok child obesity has exploded since junk food & drink has invaded the place.
    Sad.
    
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    December 19, 2016 10:36am
    - Kimbo
      
      “Everything tastes like chicken”.
      
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      December 19, 2016 11:06am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , you seem to have missed this basic point by Pew .
  
  . If current trends continue, by 2050 …
  
  In Europe, Muslims will make up 10% of the overall population.”
  Its worth emphasising the points I raised yesterday ,
  “One of the most wrong-headed arguments in the debate about Muslims in Europe is the shrill“Eurabia” claim that high birth rates and immigration will make Muslims the majority on the continent within a few decades. Based on sleight-of-hand statistics, this scaremongering (as The Economist called it back in 2006) paints a picture of a triumphant Islam dominating a Europe that has lost its Christian roots and is blind to its looming cultural demise.
  
  The Egyptian-born British writer Bat Ye’or popularised the term with her 2005 book “Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis” and this argument has become the background music to much exaggerated talk about Muslims in Europe. Some examples from recent weeks can be found here, here and here…
  
  .
  ….But it could be difficult to find a solid statistics that gave an overall view of what was actually happening. The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has stepped up with an impressive study entitled “The Future of the Global Muslim Population” (here’s the press release, report and graphics here). As we summarised it in our report Muslim birth rate falls, slower population growth:
  
  Falling birth rates will slow the world’s Muslim population growth over the next two decades, reducing it on average from 2.2 percent a year in 1990-2010 to 1.5 percent a year from now until 2030, a new study says.
  
  Muslims will number 2.2 billion by 2030 compared to 1.6 billion in 2010, making up 26.4 percent of the world population compared to 23.4 percent now, according to estimates by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life…
  
  “The declining growth rate is due primarily to falling fertility rates in many Muslim-majority countries,” it said, noting the birth rate is falling as more Muslim women are educated, living standards rise and rural people move to cities.
  
  The proven demographic fact that birth rates have been falling among Muslim women, both in Muslim majority countries and western countries where Muslims have migrated, is not new. Nor are articles debunking the idea that Muslims will become the majority in Europe (see here and here and here). But my own experience in discussing this with non-Muslims in Europe and the United States says this message does not seem to be getting through. The fact that Muslim birth rates, while still higher than those for non-Muslims, are actually falling seems to surprise people who do not follow these issues closely…”
  
  http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Your Pew study was done in 2011. The recent one from Pew was done last year in April 2015.Perhaps the thought should occur to you that they have updated their Reseach
    There conclusions that Muslims are breeding more and growing in number is clearing explained.
    What don’t you understand about this
    ‘‘Globally, Muslims have the highest fertility rate, an average of 3.1 children per woman’
    This contradicts your assertions that their fertility rate is dropping.
    Do try to keep up.
    
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    December 19, 2016 10:32am
    - mikenmild
      
      No contradiction there, AoR. A group can still have the highest birth rate and have that birth rate declining.
      
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      December 19, 2016 11:39am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Except Stephie has been trying to argue that Muslims will not out breed Christians or others on the other three or four times he has put up that info.
        
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        December 19, 2016 3:20pm
    - PhilBest
      
      And does “globally” correlate very well with Muslim populations in the West? Breeding, to them, may well be a deliberate political act – actually, the men forcing the women to breed. Abetted of course by western government agencies looking the other way in the name of “tolerance” and multiculturalism.
      
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      December 19, 2016 12:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , the 2011 Pew research is still relavant . By 2050 Muslims will make up 10% of the European population.
      
      50 years ahead does not take into account the many number of variables that will see a decline in birth rates as is the case presently in many of the Gulf states and Iran .
      
      Also consider the current position in Israel,
      
      http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-arab-fertility-rates-in-israel-on-par-for-first-time/
      
      Your analysis is hugely flawed tainted by blind prejudice !
      
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      December 19, 2016 1:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Except you have been arguing that the birth rate of Muslims is not higher than others, when clearly the Research show that it is.
        Once again, when caught out with your misrepresentations you try to lie to wriggle out of it.
        Fortunately most of us here see what a lying disengnuous POS that you are.
        
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        December 19, 2016 3:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , the doomsday scenario of Muslim birthrate outstripping West European and other white majority countries originated with the Eurabia Conspiracy . it began with Egyptian
        
        Gisèle Littman it was perpetuated by a number of Islamaphobic and conspiracy bloggers like Gates of Vienna, Pamela Geller , Rob Spencer, Mark Steyn .
        
        it is discussed in depth here ,
        
        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eurabia
        
        There is no evidence even from the latest Pew Research that the European nations will be swamped and overtaken by breeding like rats Muslims .
        
        Also ,
        
        10 Myths About Muslim Immigrants in the West
        
        By DOUG SAUNDERS
        
        http://dougsaunders.net/2013/09/10-myths-about-muslim-immigrants-in-the-west/
        
        Let Mark Twain have a final say,
        
        “Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
        
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        December 19, 2016 4:13pm
  - pentwig
    
    Wrong again!!
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      pentwit ,
      
      Why ?
      
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      December 19, 2016 8:22pm
Tarquin North

In the Horrid they had a woman with six children who had to wait for hours for a food parcel. Why have six children if you can’t afford to feed them? Contraception is cheap and readily available.
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December 19, 2016 10:06am
- Rich Prick
  
  More to the point, what’s the newsworthiness of someone having to wait a little while for some charity? Or do they deserve immediate customer service?
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:18am
- MCos
  
  Why don’t you go down there and ask her?
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:42am
  - Tarquin North
    
    I haven’t got six children that I can’t afford.
    
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    December 19, 2016 10:52am
- GoVege
  
  Was she Maori?
  All their kids are “gifts from God”.
  How can you turn down a gift from God?
  If she was Pacifica, believe me her old man dictated how many kids she should have.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:55pm
starboard

“Your smarmy and dishonest”..

Looked in the mirror lately morris ? Pot..Kettle.
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December 19, 2016 10:07am
- stephieboy
  
  starboard and Inandout , it begins with and ends with you both and your kind .
  
  The Nazis were fond of using the image of rats and their proliferate breeding and the Jews ,
  
  ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Iazwru7yE
  
  A Heil Hitler to you two !
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:15am
  - Inandout
    
    Just to correct your usual missing the target, I support Israel 100%, I recognise that Jewish input into our Western way of life is immeasurable, and lastly Muslims are not a fucking race.
    
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    December 19, 2016 10:28am
    - Morrissey
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Of course you support Israel—it’s a racist and fascist state.
      
      Serious Jewish commentators criticise Israel’s outrageous violations of human rights, its illegal blockade of Gaza, and its almost universally condemned occupation of the West Bank and the Golan Height.
      
      I don’t think you’re at all interested in learning anything, inandout, given your declaration of 100% support for this pariah state, but anyone who is interested in understanding why Israel is internationally isolated should read some serious scholars, like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein and Ilan Pappé….
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblO4u0pF9M
      
      There are also some brilliant and brave Israeli journalists who dare to tell the truth….
      
      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.692928
      
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      December 19, 2016 10:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        Of course you support Israel—it’s a racist and fascist state.
        
        Unless you seek the destruction of Israel, that makes you, in one form or other, a Zionist.
        
        So I guess we can conclude you want to see “the Jews driven into the sea”. Charming. Hey, I can get used to this trolling thing! 😉
        
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        December 19, 2016 10:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        Morrissey, yes Journalists and Ilan Pappe who are allowed to freely publish and dessiminate their Polemis and Propoganda in the only viable democracy in the Middle East .
        
        I would of course add Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein too !Not forgetting Amira Hass in Hareetz
        
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        December 19, 2016 10:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some folks about to leave their illegally occupied site on the West Bank.
        
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38357443
        
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        December 19, 2016 10:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilieff
        
        From your link: “Anyone who remained at the site after the 25 December deadline faced a forced eviction”
        
        … 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them. (Luke 2: 6-7)
        
        Yes, yes, I know. Jesus was almost certainly not born on December 25. Bloody killjoys! 😉
        
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        December 19, 2016 11:11am
      - rangitoto
        
        “Of course you support Israel—it’s the only democratic state in the middle East”.
        
        Fixed.
        
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        December 19, 2016 1:07pm
  - starboard
    
    Off to St Lukes with you steffybot…
    
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    December 19, 2016 11:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      starbaord , off to the local public toilets for some cottaging ?
      
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      December 19, 2016 1:12pm
      - pentwig
        
        Good grief you are disgusting daffy.
        And a hypocrite.
        
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        December 19, 2016 2:02pm
      - starboard
        
        so are you still denying that you went to St Lukes Mall sometime back and lusted over ” nubile young muslim girls” at Starbucks ? You said it yourself here on KB steffybot. I will dig it out if need be.
        
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        December 19, 2016 2:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        starbaord , it was not the St Luke’s shopping Mall. I merely commnented on some attractive Muslim women going about their business enjoying their flat whites etc.
        
        Which is a far cry from your kind of Muslim bashing paranoid lunacy and warped thinking .
        
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        December 19, 2016 6:05pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        … it was not the St Luke’s shopping Mall …
        
        Hmm…
        
        Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
        
        It showed me two things : one how easily ,even islamic and typically younger generations ,adopt Western fashions and mores etc. Two how very attractive and sensuous they would be to most males including Islamaphobes like you !
        
        December 3, 2015 2:26pm
        
        This comment – and at least two other comments – are a matter of public record.
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:09pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I think I need confirmation as to which shopping mall I should visit when I’m next in Auckland.
        Perhaps it was all just stephieboy’s imagination. One of the more memorable comments on Kiwiblog though.
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nosty , that was meant to be the St Lukes Mega centre opposite the Mall.
        
        “Honey pots” was said in good faith derived from this definition from Urban dictionary.
        
        3 A sweet tasting source of the nectar of the gods.
        
        Only the depraved like maybe you could of interpreted it other wise
        
        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=honey%20pot
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:15pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Only the depraved like maybe you could of interpreted it other wise
        
        Oh dear – here’s a tissue to wipe yourself down.
        
        One other thing since you’re apparently lecturing me on moral standards: it’s intellectually dishonest to link me to a word – “honeypot” – that doesn’t appear in your comment that I’ve quoted.
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:26pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire .
        
        I thought for a moment about the serious disconnect between the actual reality of the day to day lives of our Muslim community and the deluded and paranoid nonsense you get here on KB by our Muslim bashers and haters . Quite possibly few of whom ever have met or seen a Muslim in their lives except via Muslim hate media like Breitbart or Daily Mail sleaze .
        
        August 21, 2016 8:51am
        
        So that’s two comments.
        
        – Comment 1 was about a visit to St Luke’s shopping mall in late 2015. Comment 2 was about a visit to St Lukes Megacentre in August 2016.
        
        – Comment 1 was about perving at “young daughters” with “small but ample breasts”. Comment 2 was about perving at “children” – who you described as “honey pots”.
        
        – Comments 1 and 2 were 9 months apart. And yet you used a word in comment 2 to attack me for reproducing comment 1.
        
        You’re so intellectually dishonest, Stephieboy, that you should be ashamed of yourself.
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradumus ,
        
        ” small and ample breasts ” ???? Where did I say that ? Context ?
        
        that post of yours is I believe highly defamatory . It is obvious that I was referring to the mothers at the cafe . Not their “daughters ”
        
        It is in fact you are the on e that has sought to put a depraved and perverse and highly misleading interpretation on the matter ..
        
        Muslim women going about their business( at the St lunes Megacente so very far removed from the paranoid and hysterical claims about Mt Roskillstan etc , etc
        
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        December 19, 2016 8:05pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        ” small and ample breasts ” ???? Where did I say that ? Context ?
        
        I’m sorry Stephieboy but there’s no polite way to say this: you’re a fucking idiot. Your exact words were “small but ample breasts”. Those words appeared in your comment at December 3, 2015 2:26pm – I gave you the link above.
        
        that post of yours is I believe highly defamatory . It is obvious that I was referring to the mothers at the cafe . Not their “daughters ”
        
        Two things. First, it’s not defamatory to quote your exact words. Second, your comment was at best ambiguous as to who the “honeypots” were. Your exact words:
        
        I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses
        
        The words “Two of these honeypots” are located immediately after the words “their children” – and, as a matter of grammatical construction, would normally be taken as referring to the words they’re next to. The words they’re next to are “their children” – not “three Muslim women”.
        
        But, even on your suggested interpretation, how do you explain the reference in your other comment to the “two beautiful young daughters” with “small but ample breasts”?
        
        It all sounds a bit pervy to me, Stephieboy.
        
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        December 19, 2016 8:27pm
- Morrissey
  
  Yes, starboard, this writer (i.e., moi) has an unfortunate propensity to smarminess, no doubt about that. As a few of my Kiwiblog friends have also noted, I am sometimes unnecessarily personal and aggressive in my commenting.
  
  But dishonest? How, and when?
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:18am
  - Kimbo
    
    I am sometimes unnecessarily personal
    
    Not forgetting that unnecessary and excessive adverb addiction
    
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    December 19, 2016 11:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      the grammar gestapo on the prowl .
      
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      December 19, 2016 1:15pm
      - Manolo
        
        Even this humble darkie writes better English than you! 🙂
        
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        December 19, 2016 2:44pm
  - starboard
    
    Dishonest…naming yourself after the fantastic singer-songwriter Morrissey for a start. You’ve got a cheek.
    
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    December 19, 2016 11:33am
    - fernglas
      
      Depends on your point of view. I always thought the Smiths’ singer was an over-rated talentless toss-pot, so perhaps our fellow Kiwiblogger is more insightful than you would think.
      
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      December 19, 2016 12:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        And the (original) Morrissey is a bore of epic proportions…
        
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        December 19, 2016 12:31pm
  - Inandout
    
    Remember what the man in the white coat said Morrisey, and the warning signs-
    
    ‘The experience of hearing voices (hallucinations).
    Ideas that distress you and don’t seem to be based in reality (delusions).
    Difficulty in thinking clearly (thought disorder).
    The extreme mood swings of manic depression/bipolar disorder’.
    
    Keep taking the meds.
    
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    December 19, 2016 1:00pm
starboard

For anyone who may be interested..the twat Rawdon Christie is learning to make pavlova. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/87691614/rawdon-christie-lost-his-dream-job-on-breakfast-but-says-its-a-blessing-in-disguise
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December 19, 2016 10:10am
- Morrissey
  
  “Fallen”? Making pavlova is a far, far better thing than Rawdon Christie ever did while he was pulling faces on breakfast TV.
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:30am
waikatogirl

Merry Christmas everyone! ?

Weather forecast not looking too good for the festive day.
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December 19, 2016 10:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I beg to differ. It’s changed.
  Met Service rain radar shows a huge high moving over the whole country on Xmas Eve after a bit of rain on Friday.
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m happy with rain….
  I’m getting tired carting hoses all around the garden.
  
  It would be good if this damn wind went back to Wellington, though.
  
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  December 19, 2016 10:51am
- waikatogirl
  
  Thanks for that Captain. I’ll look forward to bubbles or 2 in the sunshine.
  
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  December 19, 2016 12:28pm
- waikatogirl
  
  You can have some of Waikato’s rain Maggie. More than sufficient for the past 4-5 months.
  
  I agree with you about the wind. Wellington must have decided to share whether we like it or not! ?
  
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  December 19, 2016 12:31pm
Fletch

Matt Walsh takes the piss on the liberal view of gun control. Apparently, some people didn’t get that he was being sarcastic.

https://www.facebook.com/MattWalshBlog/videos/1388304541202652/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE
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December 19, 2016 10:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , I take it then you have few quibbles about the fact that Omar Mateen could casually walk in and buy assault weopans at the local gun store ?
  
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  December 19, 2016 11:12am
  - Fletch
    
    No one can buy “assault weapons” in the U.S.
    
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    December 19, 2016 11:24am
    - mikenmild
      
      That’s true. You can only buy ‘modern sporting rifles’. Calling them assault weapons is so twentieth century.
      
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      December 19, 2016 11:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , like the Sig Sauer MCX, the AR15 is classified as an assault weopan and you can buy them over the counter .
      
      Fact !
      
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      December 19, 2016 12:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The AR 15 is only called an Assault Weapon by Gun Control advocates and ignorant people.
        A genuine ‘Assault’ weapon is fully automatic. Not much use if it isn’t.
        AR 15’s are semi autos and like any semi auto modern sporting rifle can be bought in most States.
        http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm
        
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        December 19, 2016 3:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , I take it therefore the AK 47 which the AR15 is often comapred to is not an Assault gun ?
        
        http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/the-great-debates-ar-15-vs-ak-47/
        
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        December 19, 2016 4:18pm
Happychappy

So the media got their tits in a tangle over her losing Corrections and Police Portfolio’s only to find out that Judith Collins had asked to be relieved of them and given another challenge. When is MSM going to grasp the fact that they are not here to run our Country but to produce story’s of fact and truth instead of trying to make trouble for the Political Party they don’t want to win the next Election.NZ deserves better than the shoddy Journalism being produced at the moment.
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December 19, 2016 11:20am
Jack5

Before I forget, I would like to extend season’s greetings to all the volunteers in the Stephies Islamic troll team.

Merry Christmas, you Stephiestani camel ~~fuckers~~ drivers!
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December 19, 2016 11:42am
- Kimbo
  
  Fair enough. Almost certainly the camel drivers were there at the beginning…
  
  1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” (Matthew 2:1-2).
  
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  December 19, 2016 12:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack, do seek help from any number of mental health facilities open over the Christmas and holiday period !
  
  http://www.cdhb.health.nz/Hospitals-Services/hospitals/Hillmorton-Hospital/Pages/default.aspx
  
  Apparently excellent review about their paranoia treatment program for Islamaphobes
  
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  December 19, 2016 12:37pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie: Muslims would believe in Santa Claus if you could squeeze 72 virgins into a stocking or a pillow case!
    
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    December 19, 2016 12:57pm
    - holysheet
      
      You can if you blow them up first and collect what remains.
      
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      December 19, 2016 1:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Then put them in the Christmas stocking as Snow-white flakes.
        
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        December 19, 2016 1:33pm
Manolo

By hook or by crook, shout the Dimocrtas:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electors-under-siege-232774

But with many Democrats desperate to block the all-but-certain ascension of Donald Trump to the White House, this long-neglected body has been gripped by turmoil, and its members have been subjected to pleas to upend centuries of tradition by casting their votes for someone other than the president-elect.
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December 19, 2016 2:45pm
Manolo

A terrorist rat is eliminated:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38358309

Jordanian security forces say they have killed four gunmen after flushing them out of a historic hilltop castle in the city of Karak.

The gunmen had fled to the castle after a shooting spree that left 10 people dead including a tourist from Canada and at least four police officers.
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December 19, 2016 2:48pm
jonar

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/washington-post-automatically-inserts-trump-fact-checks-into-twitter/

The new “RealDonaldContext” plug-in for the Google Chrome browser, released by WaPo reporter Philip Bump, adds fact-check summaries to selected posts by President-elect Donald Trump. Users will need to click a post in The Donald’s Twitter feed to see any fact-check information from the Washington Post, which appears as a gray text box beneath the tweet.
With the extension installed, Trump’s Twitter account now includes dozens of fact-check notes on any post with a statement that WaPo’s editors deem inaccurate or misleading. In these cases, the added gray box includes a simple headline, a few explanatory sentences, and a link to a longer WaPo article that offers fuller context.
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December 19, 2016 3:00pm
RF

Calling Big Bruv…..

Where’s Big Bruv when you need him.

I suspect he has passed out pissed under his Xmas tree after hearing the news that our precious Dan Carter made a pigs ear of his latest game.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Looks as if he is still required to bring on the oranges at half time.

Pleased that Sam Whitelock is the skipper of the crusaders… Read was on the way out so easy boots to fill.
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December 19, 2016 3:00pm
Happychappy

Poor Annette King she has her tits in a tangle over Bill English and his announcement that National will not stand a candidate in the Mt Albert By Election. This past her used by date Deputy Leader of Labour has resorted to calling the PM gutless and running scared because he wont stand a candidate or have a early Election obviously as Labour have to spend money they will have to win this Election against their support Party’s.
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December 19, 2016 4:31pm
- mikenmild
  
  Good news for Labour – no need to spend any money on campaigning.
  
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  December 19, 2016 4:43pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Every penny that they have to spend is money they don’t have and i am sure there will be opposition in some form.
    
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    December 19, 2016 4:53pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Phark, just imagine if Labour did not understand and it turned like BREXIT and the DEMOCRATS?
      Exciting stuff
      
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      December 19, 2016 6:35pm
Reid

There is an “elite” coup attempt underway against the U.S. President-elect Trump.

The coup is orchestrated by the camp of Hillary Clinton in association with the CIA and neoconservative powers in Congress.

The plan is to use the CIA’s “Russia made Trump the winner” nonsense to swing the electoral college against him. The case would then be bumped up to Congress. Major neocon and warmonger parts of the Republicans could then move the presidency to Clinton or, if that fails, put Trump’s vice president-elect Mike Pence onto the throne. The regular bipartisan war business, which a Trump presidency threatens to interrupt, could continue.

Should the coup succeed violent insurrections in the United States are likely to ensue with unpredictable consequences…

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/elite-coup.html#more
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December 19, 2016 5:58pm
- mikenmild
  
  Bullshit
  
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  December 19, 2016 6:38pm
stephieboy

Reid, you are abit of a fabulist in the tradtion of Alex Jones .

I see Defence secretary Michael Flynn may of had something to do with setting the absurd pizza gate conspiracy in motion with a little help from Michael Flynn Junior .

“Flynn under fire for fake news ,”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michael-flynn-conspiracy-pizzeria-trump-232227
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December 19, 2016 6:10pm
- pentwig
  
  daffy
  we all see you as an idiot in the tradition of a brainless cartoon character.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:43pm
Manolo

The mole and the apportioning blame game:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/18/clinton-advisers-point-fingers-at-huma-abedin-inner-circle-for-loss.html

While many of Hillary Clinton’s top advisers have focused their post-presidential election fury on blaming alleged Russian interference and FBI Director James Comey for Clinton’s loss, some in the so-called “Hillaryland” orbit are looking inward, including pointing fingers at Clinton’s most-trusted aide: Huma Abedin.
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December 19, 2016 6:38pm
- nasska
  
  Clinton surrounded herself with crawlers who told her what she wanted to hear. By the time the first vote hit the bottom of the ballot box she was totally out of touch with the electorate.
  
  Huma Abedin was the worst but not alone by a long shot.
  
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  December 19, 2016 6:45pm
- Reid
  
  Huma was one of the two most widely successful honeypots in the history of espionage. Both her and Monica Lewinsky, the other honeypot, entered the Clinton WH as interns at the same time, one for him, one for her.
  
  It’s interesting how Huma selected her husband on the exact same philandering criteria Bill met, isn’t it. Wonder who might have put her onto that? And lesbians needing cover often select men like that, or gays. They’re called beards.
  
  But the irony is, if Clinton suggested Weiner to Huma as a beard, then it’s really Clinton’s fault she lost the election, isn’t it. Because it was his secret cache of “protection” files that became what the FBI pursued. Which means both Clinton and Huma severely underestimated little Tony, didn’t they.
  
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  December 19, 2016 7:16pm
Reid

And here’s a more geopolitical take on some of the coup plotters…

On the home front, the Neocons have resorted to every possible dirty trick on the book to try to prevent Donald Trump from ever getting into the White House: they have

organized riots and demonstrations (some paid by Soros money)
encouraged the supporters of Hillary to reject the outcome of the elections (“not my President”)
tried to threaten the Electors and make them either cast a vote for Hillary or not vote at all
tried to convince Congress to refuse the decision of the Electoral College and
they are now trying to get the elections annulled on the suspicion that the (apparently almighty) Russian hackers have compromised the election outcome (apparently even in states were paper ballots were used) and stolen it in favor of Trump.
That is truly an amazing development, especially considering how Hillary attacked Trump for not promising to recognize the outcome of the elections…

…ost experts agree that none of these tactics are going to work. So this begs the question of whether the Neocons are stupid, whether they think that they can succeed or what their true objective is.

My guess is that first and foremost what is taking place now is what always happens when the Neocons run into major trouble: they double down, again.

And again. And again. That is one of the key characteristics of their psychological make-up: they cannot accept defeat or, even less so, that they were wrong, so each time reality catches up to their ideological delusions, they automatically double-down…

They’re idiots. Evil idiots actually. Which is why I dislike them intensely. It’s not because they’re Israel-firsters. Der. It’s because they’re those two things.

http://thesaker.is/neocon-panic-and-agony/
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December 19, 2016 6:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , just counting time when Trump , Flynn and Tillerson etc morph into neocons part two .
  
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  December 19, 2016 6:47pm
stephieboy

Manolo, Huma Abedin.?

Is it because she was a founadtion member of the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS ?

Secondly Hillary and her are having an ongoing Lesbian affair ?

That Huma was the real one responsible for Pizzagate .
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December 19, 2016 6:43pm
- pentwig
  
  proof daffy, real proof.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:49pm
stigie

How does one become unhinged..?

Does sitting behind a keyboard all day help ?
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December 19, 2016 6:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  stigie, something that I would of thought you would be an expert on .
  
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  December 19, 2016 6:49pm
  - pentwig
    
    idiot
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Is this the start of a personal account?
  
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  December 19, 2016 6:51pm
  - stigie
    
    Now how does one take that from a KB warrior Milky..?
    
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    December 19, 2016 7:18pm
- nasska
  
  A Bible & a bottle of gin seems to help them along the way stigie. 🙂
  
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  December 19, 2016 6:53pm
  - stigie
    
    Slightly concerned for you yesterday Nasska when you thought you may have to stay indoors and wait to be offended, needless to say, things must have averaged out by the afternoon when i thought you may put up a photo of yourself un-photoshoped semi naked in front of the D series ole chap..?
    
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    December 19, 2016 7:03pm
    - nasska
      
      I was tempted stigie but I was a bit concerned about the effect it might have on some of the girlie men.
      
      Some of these desk jockeys can get a bit carried away by the images of working blokes. 🙂
      
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      December 19, 2016 7:09pm
      - stigie
        
        You have to let them have their 2 minutes of pleasure Nasska, that’s all it takes for girlie men !~
        
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        December 19, 2016 7:12pm
Reid

On Wednesday night, NBC released a report, in collusion with a myriad of anonymous sources reputed to be inside the CIA and other intelligence agencies, claiming that Vladimir Putin personally directed the destruction of Hillary Clinton via hacking hers and the DNC’s servers before the US presidential election…

…The report does not cite any source by name for its information, other than incorrigible moron Micheal McFaul, one time US ambassador to Russia, as a cheerleader for the report.

I must stress, this is an incredible direct accusation against the President of Russia, which has the potential to provoke both international and domestic crises which could quickly spiral out of control. This is far, far beyond reckless.

Rather than keeping their heads down for the next four years, even trying to exercise some subtle influence on the president’s decisions, these infantile flunkies within the CIA and mass media have thrown themselves into the open in this last ditch desperate attack which definitively condemns them to the president-elect’s coming wrath.

They apparently have no idea that they have just kicked open a hornets’ nest.

Donald J. Trump does not take prisoners. He will not forgive, or forget. And the massacre coming to halls of Langley and to anybody and anywhere else in the executive branch involved in this is going to beggar belief.

Trump, who was a protege of the infamously ruthless attorney Roy Cohn, has made it very clear over the years how he deals with his enemies. In “Think Big” he detailed how to handle traitors:

“I always get even…I go out of my way to make [their] life miserable.”

“When somebody screws you, screw them back in spades” and “Go for the jugular so that people watching will not want to mess with you.”

In “The Art of the Comeback” Trump wrote:

“I believe in an eye for an eye — like the Old Testament says.”

“Some of the people who forgot to lift a finger when I needed them, when I was down, they need my help now, and I’m screwing them against the wall. I’m doing a number…. And I’m having so much fun.”

John F. Kennedy famously threatened to “smash the CIA into a thousand pieces.” But ultimately, the 35th president lost his solitary battle to completely break the power of the deep state.

Though I respect Kennedy, I believe Donald Trump is a much more serious proposition.

Donald Trump is Michael Corleone. He will keep his friends close, and his enemies closer (including the likes of John Bolton). But those he doesn’t keep closer, he will ruthlessly “screw against the wall” for targeting him.

The no-nonsense Mike Pompeo, Trump’s nominee for CIA director, will be the hatchet man for this merciless house cleaning operation.

Come January 20th, the reckoning begins.

Let’s get ready to rumble.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/donald-trump-will-ruthlessly-decimate-cia-turning-against-him/ri18205
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December 19, 2016 6:48pm
stephieboy

Reid, the quote “smash the CIA into a thousand pieces.” attributed to him ( but never verified ) was more than likley in the context of the Bay of Pigs fiasco which the CIA truely bungled .

https://www.quora.com/What-motive-could-the-CIA-have-had-to-kill-Kennedy
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December 19, 2016 6:56pm
- pentwig
  
  FFS!!
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:53pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes. Incredible to behold, isn’t it. In a terrible, doom-laden, abandon all hope kind of way.
    
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    December 19, 2016 10:01pm
Manolo

The source of the many infamous emails refuses to accept reality.
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310941-podesta-refuses-to-say-election-was-fair-and-free

Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta on Sunday refused to say the presidential election was “free and fair.”

Asked on NBC’s “Meet the Press” if the he thought the election was “free and fair,” Podesta demurred.
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December 19, 2016 6:56pm
Manolo

Another liar is exposed:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/18/jake-tapper-grills-loretta-lynch-on-her-tarmac-meeting-with-bill-clinton-video/
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December 19, 2016 7:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  
  Flynn under fire for fake news
  
  A shooting at a D.C. pizza restaurant is stoking criticism of the conspiracy theories being spread by Donald Trump’s pick for national security adviser.
  
  “…But Flynn himself has used social media to promote a series of outrageous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama and their inner circles in recent months — pushing dubious factoids at least 16 times since Aug. 9, according to a POLITICO review of his Twitter posts. Flynn, who has 106,000 Twitter followers, has used the platform to retweet accusations that Clinton is involved with child sex trafficking and has “secretly waged war” on the Catholic Church, as well as charges that Obama is a “jihadi” who “laundered” money for Muslim terrorists ..”.
  
  http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michael-flynn-conspiracy-pizzeria-trump-232227
  
  You naturally believe that Flynn’s claims (like Sheriff Joe’s ) are credible ??
  
  And mentally stable enough fit to hold a cabinet position ?
  
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  December 19, 2016 7:10pm
  - pentwig
    
    And you think you are intelligent enough to reply?
    
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    December 19, 2016 8:56pm
mikenmild

75 years ago today:
HMS Neptune, which was intended to join the RNZN, was lost in the Mediterranean after striking a minefield off Tripoli. All 150 New Zealanders aboard perished, as it was too hazardous for other ships to be risked n the minefield. A single survivor from the complement of 750 men was picked up by the Italians 12 days later.
This was our Navy’s greatest single loss of life during the war.
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December 19, 2016 7:15pm
- Jack5
  
  Thanks, Milky for reminding those who had only vaguely heard of this New Zealand tragedy.
  
  I suspect more of us have heard of the torpedoing of the American heavy cruiser Indianapolis at the end of the Pacific War. Its loss of lives, similar to that of the Neptune, was, according to Wikipedia, “the greatest single loss of life at sea in the history of the U.S. Navy. ”
  
  The sinkings of Neptune and Indianapolis both led to the slow, cruel deaths of survivors lingering for days in the expectation of rescue.
  
  I’m puzzled why the Neptune disaster has received such scant attention from the New Zealand MSM over the last seven and a half decades.
  
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  December 19, 2016 7:38pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Possibly because she had not become part of the RNZN. I’m also unsure about how long after the sinking the news would have been announced, as governments very pretty cagey about revealing warship losses. On the same day, Italian frogmen severely damaged two battleships in Alexandria.
    
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    December 19, 2016 7:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    Why would someone down tick my 7.38 post? Did the ticker’s family lay the bloody mine?
    
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    December 19, 2016 7:58pm
    - EAD
      
      @Jack5,
      
      I didn’t downtick your post (I very rarely “vote” on posts) but I did downtick Milkmaids.
      
      Why?
      
      Because I can’t stand people like him who get all mawkish on such subjects (look at the cringeworthy way he pretends he is a “real” All Blacks supporter) trying to pretend he is with the sensible majority when just about every thing he supports and stands for, the brave men who made the ultimate sacrifice would look on in horror at what New Zealand (and indeed the entire West) has become.
      
      We are constantly told by the MSM, the Political elite and the likes of Milkmaid that we “won” both World Wars and made the world safe for democracy.
      
      Normal people don’t carry on like this but these people aren’t normal – they want you to think the “freedom” to live in today’s Orwellian nightmare is what these brave men fought and died for. Freedom for your grandchildren to be race-replaced and told to “celebrate” as they become despised minorities in the countries their ancestors fought for.
      
      I often check out this website to view the social destruction of America and this recent one of this poor Veteran caught my eye – he looks utterly bewildered:
      
      https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/f-you-granddad/
      
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      December 19, 2016 8:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD, itemise the way your personal freedoms have been removed by this ” Big Brother ” Orwellian nightmare we supposedly all live under ?
        
        Veteran ? Bewildered by his” half breed” Asian grand children ?
        
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        December 19, 2016 9:04pm
- Jack5
  
  Because NZ has largely ignored the tragedy, I hope DPF and Kiwiblog posters and readers will indulge my posting of this list of New Zealanders killed in the Neptune sinking 75 years ago today. Eighteen sailors from the South African Navy were also killed, and the rest of the 749 sailors and marines killed were from Britain.
  
  Alder, Edwin P., Able Seaman
  Anderson, Henry B., Able Seaman
  Anderson, William J., Able Seaman
  Andrew, Norman R., Able Seaman
  Andrews, Albert G.R., Shipwright
  Armfield, Harry J., Leading Signalman
  Ashton, Lindsay R., Leading Seaman
  Atkinson, Basil M., Able Seaman
  Atkinson, Roy V., Leading Seaman
  Ball, Jack P., Able Seaman
  Barford, Bryan J., Able Seaman
  Barker, Frederick R., Able Seaman
  Barron, Alexander D., Able Seaman
  Barstow, John A., Supply Assistant
  Baskett, George R., Able Seaman
  Biggs, Hudson W., Able Seaman
  Birss, James A., Able Seaman
  Blackley, James B.E., Able Seaman
  Boaz, Ernest G., Able Seaman
  Brackenridge, Ian H., Able Seaman
  Brookes, Norman G., Signalman
  Brown, Alan H., Supply Assistant
  Brown, James, Engine Room Artificer
  Brown, William W., Able Seaman
  Brownie, Revell E., Leading Seaman
  Buckley, Ross B., Able Seaman
  Burt, Ian, Cook
  Button, Kenneth A., Signalman
  Calvert, James W., Able Seaman
  Campbell, Albert V., Able Seaman
  Campbell, William A., Petty Officer
  Capon, Arthur N., Leading Seaman
  Carr, Patrick A., Stoker
  Carrigan, John, Able Seaman
  Carter, Alan H.J., Able Seaman
  Christie, Herbert H., Electrical Artificer
  Clark, Ronald H.C., Able Seaman
  Collins, Thomas, Able Seaman
  Cook, Norman, Able Seaman
  Cooper, Howard, Supply Assistant
  Coote, James M., Able Seaman
  Corbin, Donald H.H., Able Seaman
  Cormack, Colin A., Able Seaman
  Cosgrove, Charles A., Able Seaman
  Cronquest, Robert M., Able Seaman
  Dawson, Graeme D., Leading Stoker
  Dennison, George S., Able Seaman
  Denton, Leo R., Able Seaman
  Diehl, Arthur E., Able Seaman
  Dimmock, John B., Able Seaman
  Dobbs, Raymond P., Leading Telegraphist
  Doussett, Edward D., Leading Seaman
  Dyer, Robert F., Engine Room Artificer
  Elstob, Norman J., Able Seaman
  Evans, George D., Joiner
  Evans, Victor R.D., Telegraphist
  Forgie, Kauru S., Supply Assistant
  Friedman, Maurice W., Supply Assistant
  Garlick, Bruce C., Able Seaman
  Garmson, Alan T., Cook
  Garrett, Kenneth E., Leading Seaman
  Gibbs, William H., Engine Room Artificer
  Gillan, Reginald C., Able Seaman
  Gregory, Douglas A., Stoker
  Hansen, George, Able Seaman
  Hardie, Geoffrey B., Cook (S)
  Harris, Herbert E., Able Seaman
  Harvey, Douglas M., Petty Officer
  Heeney, Arthur J., Engine Room Artificer
  Hook, Roy D., Able Seaman
  Howlison, James R., Able Seaman
  Hubbard, Stanley J., Engine Room Artificer
  Hubble, Linus E., Signalman
  Hull, George B., Able Seaman
  Jenkins, A. Wally J., Signalman
  Johns, John W., Able Seaman
  Johnstone, William, Joiner
  Jones, Mervyn G., Engine Room Artificer
  Kennedy, Ian A., Signalman
  Kingdon, Stanley L., Able Seaman
  Knewstubb, John W., Engine Room Artificer
  Land, Arthur C., Able Seaman
  Leckie, James C., Leading Telegraphist
  Leyland, Frank, Writer
  Lord, Lloyd M., Able Seaman
  Lovett, Arthur F., Cook
  Macaulay, Desmond G., Engine Room Artificer
  MacDonald, Robert A., Able Seaman
  MacIntosh, Ivan W., Stoker
  Marett, Hamel W., Able Seaman
  Marsden, Harry, Able Seaman
  McCabe, Gilbert, Able Seaman
  McCallum, Frederick G., Engine Room Artificer
  McComish, Trevor J., Engine Room Artificer
  McGee, Noel F., Engine Room Artificer
  McIver, Alexander H. H., Stoker
  McKinnon, Philip B., Supply Assistant
  McLeod, Alan J., Engine Room Artificer
  McPherson, Brian E., Midshipman
  Moore, John E., Engine Room Artificer
  Morley, Roland, Telegraphist
  Mosley, Thomas J.P., Able Seaman
  Munro, Duncan P., Able Seaman
  Murray, Gordon, Able Seaman
  Nalder, Laurence N., Engine Room Artificer
  O’Connell, Leslie J., Engine Room Artificer
  O’Neil, William J., Assistant Cook
  Patterson, Samuel J.S., Petty Officer
  Payne, Stanley R.A., Painter
  Peat, Reginald, Leading Signalman
  Percival, Raymond S., Leading Seaman
  Perry, Ronald J., Able Seaman
  Perry, William G., Able Seaman
  Petherick, James D., Able Seaman
  Quinn, James B., Able Seaman
  Quinn, Ronald F., Able Seaman
  Raper Allan S., Leading Seaman
  Reid, John R., Stoker
  Riley, Bernard D., Leading Seaman
  Robertson, Malcolm D., Able Seaman
  Rodgerson, George, Joiner
  Ross, John V., Able Seaman
  Rowe, Frederick, Assistant Cook
  Ruddick, Edward W., Leading Seaman
  Scott, Jack G., Able Seaman
  Simpson, Alfred G., Able Seaman
  Simpson, James A., Engine Room Artificer
  Smith, George E., Electrical Artificer
  Steedman, John J.D., Painter
  Stewart, John E., Leading Telegraphist
  Sturgeon, Albert V., Engine Room Artificer
  Tamplin, Edward H., Able Seaman
  Thompson, Bruce M., Paymaster Lieutenant
  Toomey, Austin K.M., Writer
  True, Jack G., Able Seaman
  Vazey, Edward H., Able Seaman
  Vercoe, Henry B., Plumber
  Walker, Alexander J., Able Seaman
  Walkinshaw, Lewis R., Signalman
  Walpole, Henry, Supply Assistant
  Wangford, William B., Shipwright
  Wardle, John C., Leading Seaman
  Watson, David M., Leading Telegraphist
  West, Selwyn F., Able Seaman
  White, Morgan A., Able Seaman
  White, William B., Stoker
  Wilson, Samuel G., Able Seaman
  Wood, Cecil J.B., Able Seaman
  Wright, Cyril G., Leading Seaman
  Wright, Ernest E., Signalman
  
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  December 19, 2016 7:53pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Radio NZ mentioned this the other day, and their website has an interview with the sole survivor from Neptune, who visited NZ several times after the war.
    
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    December 19, 2016 7:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here’s the item
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/320728/remembering-nz's-worst-naval-tragedy
      
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      December 19, 2016 8:56pm
Reid

Is the United States facing a coup d’etat?
Annie Machon

Annie Machon is a former intelligence officer for MI5, the UK Security Service, who resigned in the late 1990s to blow the whistle on the spies’ incompetence and crimes with her ex-partner, David Shayler. Drawing on her varied experiences, she is now a public speaker, writer, media pundit, international tour and event organiser, political campaigner, and PR consultant. She has a rare perspective both on the inner workings of governments, intelligence agencies and the media, as well as the wider implications for the need for increased openness and accountability in both public and private sectors…

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/370672-united-states-coup-trump-electoral-college/
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December 19, 2016 7:51pm
- nasska
  
  Interesting link Reid.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid and nasska
  
  meet the real Annie Machon ( and David Shaylor ,)
  
  “ David Shayler and Annie Machon are former British MI5 spies who left the agency in 1996 and became whistleblowers. They have since become leading conspiracy theorists, and together formed a discussion group that promoted 9/11conspiracy theories in the UK. Shayler held more extreme views than Machon; he eventually became a “No-Planer” and also began advancing 7/7 conspiracy theories as well. They were boyfriend and girlfriend for a long time, but have since separated, due to Shayler’s increasingly erratic behavior, as he now claims to be Jesus and has a transvestite alter ego named “Delores Kane”.
  
  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Shayler_and_Annie_Machon
  
  plus,
  
  ” What’s the Difference Between a Whistleblower and a Mad Conspiracy Theorist? ”
  
  http://disinfo.com/2014/01/whats-difference-whistleblower-mad-conspiracy-theorist/
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:18pm
  - pentwig
    
    fuckwit you are daffy.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:00pm
Nostradamus

Driver pulled over for travelling with swingset on roof of car

Drivers in Mangere may have been a bit perplexed on Sunday to see a swing set travelling down the street, propped on a car.

A photo doing the rounds on Facebook shows the vehicle with a child’s swing set frame set across the roof, with either side of the frame hanging down on either side and the swing dangling next to the driver’s window.

The photos are definitely worth a look…
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December 19, 2016 8:14pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mangere is as Mangere does.
  I’m sure similar things go on in Tonga.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  They are . Flabbergasting ! A media top hit for 2016 . The driver too lazy to dismantle the swing set
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:28pm
  - pentwig
    
    ?????
    you are an idiot daffy.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:02pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  I reckon it’s not so bad… here is someone in Sth Auckland spending time and money (maybe, it was a shitty set) on their kids… who will be playing out side climbing and sliding and swinging.
  
  Give me a medal and a police escort to get the swing set home.
  
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  December 19, 2016 8:47pm
Reid

…So who or what is the Deep State?

It’s the militarized police, which have joined forces with state and federal law enforcement agencies in order to establish themselves as a standing army. It’s the fusion centers and spy agencies that have created a surveillance state and turned all of us into suspects. It’s the courthouses and prisons that have allowed corporate profits to take precedence over due process and justice. It’s the military empire with its private contractors and defense industry that is bankrupting the nation. It’s the private sector with its 854,000 contract personnel with top-secret clearances, “a number greater than that of top-secret-cleared civilian employees of the government.” It’s what former congressional staffer Mike Lofgren refers to as “a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies”: the Department of Defense, the State Department, Homeland Security, the CIA, the Justice Department, the Treasury, the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a handful of vital federal trial courts, and members of the defense and intelligence committees.

It’s every facet of a government that is no longer friendly to freedom and is working overtime to trample the Constitution underfoot and render the citizenry powerless in the face of the government’s power grabs, corruption and abusive tactics.

These are the key players that drive the shadow government.

This is the hidden face of the American police state that will continue long past Election Day.

Just consider some of the key programs and policies advanced by the shadow government that will continue no matter who occupies the Oval Office…

Here you go stupidboy, go ahead and explain to everyone how unreliable is the pwogwessive CounterPunch. Be sure to explain how come you’re a progressive but you don’t read it, won’t you.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/26/a-deep-state-of-mind-americas-shadow-government-and-its-silent-coup/
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December 19, 2016 8:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid, here is a chance for your hero Trump, Michael Flynn etc to dismantle this dreadful” police state ” apparatus !
  
  Alex Jones Black Helicopter Paranoia,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU1N8DhGI4Y
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:15pm
  - Manolo
    
    Get used to say President Trump for the next four years, stephieboy. It has a ring to it.
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , got use to it and look forward to the next year with anticiaption . Trump has already backed down and reneged on” locking her up “and refusing to pay the Trump University law suit ,completely dismantling the Affordable Care Act etc,etc
      
      Waiting to see how he pays for the Border wall and how quickly he gets offside with Putin !
      
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      December 19, 2016 9:32pm
      - Manolo
        
        Buy some US stocks at the same time. You will make money over the next twelve months.
        
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        December 19, 2016 9:47pm
nasska

Bethlehem City Council Department of Social Care:

Child’s Name: Jesus O’Nazaretth

Parental Report:

Mother – Delusional: claims to converse with people who can fly. Behaviour possibly an indication of prolonged narcotics use.
Father – Absent/Unknown.
Step Father – Of limited IQ. Does not understand where babies come from. Seems unperturbed about his wife’s obvious infidelity.

Living Conditions – The family reside in a dilapidated out-building and the child was found sharing the accommodation with a number of animals.
The place was dirty and un-heated.
The parents were throwing wild parties and had invited all the local shepherds round (not a suitable environment for a baby).
During our inspection, three mature gentlemen approached the parents with very expensive gifts – we are concerned about their motives, several paedophile rings operate in this area.

Action – Child taken into care.
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December 19, 2016 8:44pm
EAD

Front page news – Somalian awarded scholarship to one of Britain’s most expensive and prestigious public schools for achieving the same exam results as thousands of British children who were rewarded with precisely fuck all:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042478/From-East-End-council-house-scholarship-35-000-year-Marlborough-Nadia-16-overcome-odds-follow-footsteps-Sam-Cam-Kate-Middleton.html

I bet you the grandparents of the British children who missed are sure glad that they “won” WWII 🙂
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December 19, 2016 8:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , must be real cringeworthy for you a Somali (sub human ) Student succeding ?
  
  Oh ! . Adolf Hitler was the real winner of WW 2 ?
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:12pm
  - Reid
    
    You’re disgusting you know that stephie? You’re truly revolting.
    
    See what you just did. You made it look as if EAD thinks Somali’s are, in your words, “sub-human.”
    
    EAD never said that, but your sleazy slimy evil phrasing implies he has.
    
    Then you bring something else up, again, as if EAD has ever said it or it was even under discussion, completely unrelated, but again, designed to belittle, through slander and lies.
    
    Like I said stephe, you’re disgusting.
    
    You’re a disgrace to progressivism. At least those people genuinely believe albeit they’re mistaken but you, you do it deliberately, with malice aforethought, don’t you. If not, why not desist, this is about your thousandth warning from various commenters on this, but yet, you persist, just like a sleazy slimy scumbag would, if you actually were one.
    
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    December 19, 2016 10:23pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Reid:
      
      Stephieboy tried the same tactic on me above. I described his behaviour as intellectually dishonest.
      
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      December 19, 2016 10:47pm
- Manolo
  
  Isn’t multiculturalism great?
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Mnaolo, do you cringe at Indonesian young students succeeding ?
    
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    December 19, 2016 9:19pm
    - Manolo
      
      Not at all. I know several bright ones deserving of all support.
      
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      December 19, 2016 9:57pm
    - pentwig
      
      You obviously don’t cringe at young muslim girlies in cafes in Auckland. Pervert daffy, pervert.
      
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      December 19, 2016 10:03pm
      - stigie
        
        Bit bloody hard these days pentwig, 14/15 year old girlies can look like 19 year old girlies. Daffy may be as perverted as some of us fella’s that cant tell the age of some of these beauties !~
        
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        December 19, 2016 10:17pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        To make matters worse, a ladyboy with a fake push-up bra and heavy layers of lipstick could be underage, as well as the wrong gender!
        
        (Starboard is our resident expert on this delicate matter.)
        
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        December 19, 2016 10:40pm
- mikenmild
  
  Which side were the Somalis on?
  
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  December 19, 2016 9:54pm
Manolo

Marie Antoinette talks crap:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/17/trump-rebuts-michelle-obamas-remarks-on-the-loss-of-hope/
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December 19, 2016 9:17pm
Manolo

Russian ambassador shot in Turkey:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-ambassador-turkey-seriously-injured-9485836
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December 20, 2016 6:04am
Manolo

Preparing the rooms for some Muslim guests:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4047598/Cologne-prepares-New-Year-s-Eve-Twelve-months-sex-attacks-shocked-world-German-city-empties-cells-readiness.html
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December 20, 2016 6:07am
Manolo

The usual, unmissable words:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38369962

The camera pulls back to show a smartly dressed gunman, wearing a suit and tie, waving a pistol and shouting.

He can be heard yelling “Don’t forget about Aleppo, don’t forget about Syria” and uses the Islamic phrase “Allahu Akbar”.
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