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Manolo

The crook’s daughter:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/rude-fox-business-interview-goes-from-bad-to-worse-for-nancy-pelosis-daughter-video/

Christine Pelosi’s Friday morning interview on Fox Business quickly devolved into an all-out screaming match with host Maria Bartiromo.
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December 18, 2016 8:05am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Thank you for posting this Manolo, Bartiromo was exactly on the money are why the Dems lost the election (and exactly why Labour have lost three straight NZ elections). The loons on the left spend all their time on ‘transmit’ and are never on ‘receive’.
  
  Their simple problem was so perfectly summed up by Reagan when he said “It’s not that Progressives are ignorant, it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so”.
  
  If you “KNOW” you’re right – you don’t need to listen to the electorate. They just have to listen to their “betters” and vote what’s best for them.
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I can only give one up tick to a great comment to start the day! ☺
    
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    December 18, 2016 8:41am
    - Biscuit
      
      Paulus, I’ll give him an uptick on your behalf. Hell, its Christmas, you can have one too!
      
      Sheesh, I am in such a good mood this am. that I swear I’d even uptick a Penny rant!
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:58am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Too early to have been at the eggnog old boy
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:15am
      - Lance
        
        Upticking Penny will mean your journey to the dark side will be complete 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:30am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “If you “KNOW” you’re right – you don’t need to listen to the electorate. They just have to listen to their “betters” and vote what’s best for them.”
    
    If your voter base is made up of wymmin, negroes, hispanics and sexual degenerates, of course you are going to end up with a “We know whats best for them” attitude.
    
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    December 18, 2016 11:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  God they’re in full meltdown. Nancy was in full retard during the week as well. I swear that one is only one face-lift away from acquiring a goatee.
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:39am
- Morrissey
  
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  This daughter of a crook is a real embarrassment….
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/68221614/stephie-key-rebellion-is-not-the-intention
  
  Although, awful as she is, she’s a genius compared to her moronic younger brother.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:38am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Let it go Morrissey as John Key is not prime minister any more.
    Time to start hating on Bill English’s family instead.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:43am
    - Morrissey
      
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      I don’t hate Bill English’s family, even his son who was in the news a few years ago for his participatioin in some stupid and vicious anti-gay messaging on the internet.
      
      Hell, I don’t even hate Bill himself, even though he’s a vile and hypocritical trougher….
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2711246/Bill-English-defends-taxpayer-cash-for-house
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:50am
    - starboard
      
      So you start off bagging JK as a crook, then his daughter is “an embarrassment”..and his son is “moronic”…Morrissey, you are just a cunt.
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:57am
      - Morrissey
        
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        I think if you look with any honesty and openness at what your hero “JK” did while he was prime minister, and when you look at his son’s offensive and, yes, moronic antics, you’ll agree that my descriptions of them are fair and restrained.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11737059
        
        I’ll cut Stephie a break: at least she hasn’t attacked anyone in a cowardly fashion or organized vicious hit squads led by fat bloggers.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:07am
      - starboard
        
        Just go away Morrissey. You are everything the left represents. You are vile, lower than pond scum.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:24am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “Morrissey, you are just a cunt.”
        
        Actually it was JK’s daughter who was down on hands and knees with a camera lens virtually stuck up her bum hole and she calls it “art”.
        
        So what does that make her?
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:16am
      - Morrissey
        
        Actually it was JK’s daughter who was down on hands and knees with a camera lens virtually stuck up her bum hole and she calls it “art”.
        
        One can only imagine the unending denunciation and daily ridicule from the likes of Larry “Lackwit” Williams, Paul “Crawler” Henry and Mike “Contra” Hosking if a Labour minister, let alone a Labour prime minister, had a daughter that got up to such antics.
        
        So what does that make her?
        
        It makes her a talentless, spoiled brat who has capitalised as much as she can on the notoriety of her father. She’s by no means the first talent-free offspring of someone famous, or in this case infamous, to install herself in the Hall of Embarrassment. There’s Donald Trump’s oafish son (Donald Trump Junior) and then there’s Tom Hanks’s rapper son, who rejoices in the handle Chet Haze….
        
        http://au.complex.com/music/2015/06/tom-hanks-son-chet-haze-openly-uses-the-n-word-on-instagram
        
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        December 18, 2016 12:36pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Just go away Morrisey if it is really too difficult to try to fit in one day of the week
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:44am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Mossey you are a sad sad individual, you are behaving in a shameful manner.
    
    Shall I troll through your social media and online presence, find your family and start criticising them? Perhaps send a nice poem to your wife and daughter about rape and anal?
    
    Starboard is right…
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:09am
    - Morrissey
      
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      No one in my family pulls women’s hair, organizes character assassination campaigns, or yells abuse at vulnerable cyclists.
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:11am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Do you want me to dig and find out?
        
        As for character assassination, umm, you do read what you write aye professor bumblefuck?
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:14am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Do you want me to dig and find out?
        
        Ha! That sounds like a particularly lame Jordan Williams sort of threat. You’re not that hopeless fellow are you? If you ARE, haven’t you got some humiliating assignment to carry out, like the one Whaleoil forced you to do in the small hours of the morning. (Dirty Politics readers will know what I’m talking about).
        
        As for character assassination, umm, you do read what you write aye professor bumblefuck?
        
        Max Key regularly shoots himself in the foot, as did Bill English’s homophobic son. Maybe English Junior is more balanced and humane now.
        
        And it’s hardly “character assassination” to outline the crimes of politicians.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:25am
      - G152
        
        Well, apart from you that is…
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:34am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “Shall I troll through your social media and online presence, find your family and start criticising them?”
      
      Stop being a hypocrite.
      
      The Key kids have shamelessly exploited their father’s fame and money to launch their own celebrity careers.
      
      They are fair game.
      
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      December 18, 2016 11:11am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    I agree, the Key kids are spoilt rich brats, zero talent, dependent on daddy’s fame and cash.
    
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    December 18, 2016 11:08am
holysheet

Looking through the discussion on Stuff about solar panels last night, I found this gem

“Matty H13 hours ago
This is a bit scary. If we have too many solar panels we will end up sucking all the light out of the sun and then it will be night all day long. Why do you think there have been less solar flares since these panels started being made”

And this one

“Stanlee10 hours ago
I’m concerned with the growth in solar panels that the sun will get worn out. Research is needed.”

They live amongst us.
Are they part of the stupidboy clan, or Gobbys cuzzies?
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December 18, 2016 8:26am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  And they have a vote – now we know who keeps Metiria in Timtams
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:32am
  - Biscuit
    
    Different, imagine the scene at the ‘Tim Tam’ factory…
    
    Boss: Times are tough, sales are way down, we may have to reduce hours…
    
    Staff: Oh, no…
    
    The ground shakes…
    
    Boss: What’s that? Over there?
    
    Everyone looks…
    
    Boss: Its Metty!
    
    Everyone cheers…
    
    Boss: And she’s got her 69 shopping trolleys with her for her latest ‘Tim Tam’ fix. We’re SAVED, people! Overtime tonight for anyone who wants it!
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:07am
- holysheet
  
  this was a reply
  
  brucefraser11 hours ago
  Right on Matty H!! The same effect is well known in hydro-electric power stations where the water coming out the tailrace is darker and less sparkling than the intake water because all the electricity has been drawn out of it.
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Can you put a link up to this please, this stuff is comedy gold
    
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    December 18, 2016 8:47am
    - holysheet
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/business/87681389/Whats-the-cheapest-way-to-make-power-Its-shining-down-on-you
      
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      December 18, 2016 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How are plants going to photosynthesise if solar panels are taking all the light?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-town-rejects-solar-panels-amid-fears-they-suck-up-all-the-energy-from-the-sun-a6771526.html
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:21am
    - fernglas
      
      It won’t matter, coz those fucking windmills will take all the breeze and they won’t have anything to sway in.
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s the edyakayshun system for you.
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:44am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  I`d have to regard those comments as Poes Law, the alternative is too depressing.
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:46am
- mikenmild
  
  Pretty obviously taking the piss, but top marks for ingenuity.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:09am
- Disaster Area
  
  I think the comment is a tongue in cheek reference to this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-town-rejects-solar-panels-amid-fears-they-suck-up-all-the-energy-from-the-sun-a6771526.html which is from 2015.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:23am
- Gabby
  
  They look like jokes. Not wholly shit jokes, but not the best.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:49am
  - holysheet
    
    Thank you gobby, you have just proved that they ARE your cuzzies.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:54am
    - Gabby
      
      Even for a rightard, your funnybone is well stunted, to the point of wholly shitness.
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:37am
nasska

I think I’m becoming religious.

I’m sitting indoors waiting to be offended by something.
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December 18, 2016 8:28am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Go cook the woman some f**king eggs, mate! 😉
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:32am
- Disaster Area
  
  Give me a list of sensitive topics, and I’m sure I can come up with something to make you seethe with righteous anger.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:24am
- stigie
  
  No, please Nasska, get outside for christ sakes, take the dogs for a stroll and check on sheep, Get your senses back in check ole chap !~
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:27am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Like number 7 buses, three offences will come along all at once when you have finally given up hope that no one is going to oblige
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:51am
  - Biscuit
    
    Nasska, have this ‘Buy One Offensive Comment, Get Three Offensive Comments Free’ card…
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:14am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Don’t worry nasska, the usual pricks will pis you off throughout the day – as I have now seen @ 6.16
  
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  December 18, 2016 6:16pm
Happychappy

Another day closer to Xmas with a beautiful sunny day in the Waikato. As I have two grandchildren of Maori Decent and would give them whatever i could and would never do anything to hurt them I would like to hear people on this blog define the word Racist for me as i have been called a cowardly racist A/H. This blog is a discussion on Politics and other opinion and I try to give my opinion on many subjects whether right or wrong in other peoples views but to be called a racist I hope I am not.So it would be good to hear what others think on the definition of Racist is.
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December 18, 2016 8:29am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Come down to the Delta in Ngaruawahia on a Friday about 5pm and there will be plenty there who will debate the issue. Many are fans of Winston.
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:51am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes and I could imagine you would be leading the subject on it. You do not have to be in a bar getting souped up to have your view, it only takes Winston a Election every four years to pull the race card to make himself relevant. you just go about your day pimping criminals or any of the sex story’s that seem to get you off and i will try to understand why you call me Racist.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:11am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      This is NZ. We have election at least every three years. What have you been smoking?
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:35am
      - Happychappy
        
        Well Chuck I was wrong but would you like to tell me why Lawyers should be allowed to post on here under a alias and people like me should have to use their true name as you stated yesterday.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:31am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Happychappy, if you read what I said is that none of the lawyers who post under an alias are out and out abusive and I do not think any have been racist.
        
        I was mainly referring to holysheet who said and I quote below. You got into the debate.
        
        “Once a maori, always a maori and
        Never trust a maori with a brief case. ”
        
        That is a general attack on all Maori even those who have achieve very well like Sir Jerry Mateparae.
        
        I am sure he would not say anything like that to his face.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:02am
- Reid
  
  Racism is what stupidboy does when he reads a comment from someone then hallucinates he knows how that person would think on other subjects and asks a question of that person phrased in a way as if they’ve actually said something to the effect of whatever it is the idiot has fantasised into existence.
  
  Stupidboy’s head is full of stereotypes you see and this is typical of the left, who disapprove of stereotypes in general but actually use them themselves all the time, for groups of people they hate, because then its ok, because ends justify means, when they’re talking about the enemy.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:05am
- mikenmild
  
  Basically, racism is the erroneous belief that humans can be meaningfully categorized by superficial ethnic differences and that these differences determine cultural or intellectual achievement. Further to that, many people assign to racism a component of power, manifest in negative treatment of individuals on the basis of an assigned racial category.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:13am
  - Happychappy
    
    So by definition by using the word or words of Pom and two BoB Pom I have been Racial even though that was the term they were known.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:20am
    - mikenmild
      
      Only if you think those terms are racial epithets. I don’t; and none of the Poms I know seem to be offended by this terminology – they tend to be proud of getting assisted passages and refer to themselves as New Zealanders by choice rather than by accident of birth.
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:24am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I would say all those assisted passage poms are gone now and, in fairness to the poms, they did pay something towards coming here unlike the towelheads whose expectation is everything for free with a house, car, 50″ plasma and a weekly allowance
        
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        December 18, 2016 9:57am
    - GoVege
      
      I wouldn’t say it’s racist but I wouldn’t use the term “pom”.
      It is demeaning to one of the greatest nations on earth.
      A person from England is an English man or English woman.
      
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      December 18, 2016 2:06pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So – nothing at all to do with religion then. Otherwise lefty comments about the dirty jews in Israel would be racist.
    And applying the same logic – nothing bad said about Islam is racist either (hence the made-up Orwellian thought-crime of Islamaphobia).
    
    Thanks – nothing like a bit of lefty logic to help clear up some of the lies of the left.
    
    But good also to know the term “pakeha” is racist as it denotes all race or ethnicity other than Maori. Also handy to know that the term “cracker” is also racist, similarly the term ‘white privilege’ is also racist.
    
    Good to know that all them Maori and BLM activists are what we’ve always thought – racist pigs.
    
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    December 18, 2016 12:14pm
    - mikenmild
      
      ‘Pakeha’ is not a racist term, any more than ‘Maori’ or ‘European’ are racist terms.
      
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      December 18, 2016 12:59pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        But I thought that …
        
        “racism was the erroneous belief that humans can be meaningfully categorized by superficial ethnic differences”
        
        … so if you categorise someone as pakeha (ie humans who ethnically are not Maori) then you are racist.
        
        Which must mean – as you don’t think a racist appellation is racist – you must be a racist!
        
        Isn’t it funny that when a Leftist defines whatever it is they’re offended by – they end up being offensive when the definition is applied in a context they don’t “FEEL” applies!
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:39pm
- wiseowl
  
  In the future if, you have other grandchildren that do not have Murri descent see if there is resentment because the Murri ones are eligible for all sorts of help and positions on councils and the others are not.
  May be that would be racist.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:20am
  - Viking2
    
    Umm, have that.
    Not really a good situation.
    
    Quite disgraceful actually.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:45am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well wiseowl thank you for view and without trying to sound arrogant why don’t the people of all race demand that NZ’s have a referendum on the Maori Seats and Council seats then make it binding so no Political Party suffers rejection at the polls so it can be put to bed as a problem.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:59am
- Kimbo
  
  I would like to hear people on this blog define the word Racist for me
  
  As per Martin Luther King, Jr., “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”.
  
  So racism is when you judge people by the colour of their skin (and any other distinguishing physical ethnic features), rather than the content of their (individual) character. Also, while it is not strictly “racism” to judge someone similarly according to religion, gender, sexual orientation…nonetheless it is in the same ballpark. We call it “prejudice”.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:20am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well that means the majority of people on this blog are guilty of some kind of Racism.
    
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    December 18, 2016 11:39am
waikatogirl

Matty and Stanley have been smoking too much weed!
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December 18, 2016 8:32am
duggledog

Mr Shearer’s farewell speech.

I quote: ‘My fascination has always been with what went through the minds of those leaders before their landmark decisions… how did Michael Joseph Savage feel before pioneering the social safety net… in a world where it had never existed before?’

What a load of balls.

Social safety nets existed long before MJS; the difference is this.

Savage made welfare no-fault and universal, which – with the best of intentions, Great Depression and all that – nevertheless weakened the fabric of this country for many decades, and still does.

Prior to Savage, Churches had helped the poor for hundreds of years, but you had to be ‘deserving poor’. You got help and another chance, but not if you were a recalcitrant shit. Children of the incorrigible were taken away and raised properly. It worked well.

In rural areas – most of the country – the famous ‘Women On Horseback’ would descend upon whatever household in their community was experiencing domestic violence, drunkenness etc and sort it out, often with their men providing the muscle. That worked too.

As a third example, farmers all over NZ were required to house and feed, for at least one night, men who were out of work and wandered the rural roads – in return for odd jobs. Good men apparently liked the life… thieves and shirkers died lonely deaths.

Savage didn’t invent welfare; he just made it the State’s job.

People like Shearer don’t know their history and think that nothing can work in New Zealand without a Big Labour Government. I think the reverse is true.
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December 18, 2016 8:36am
- nasska
  
  …..”Savage didn’t invent welfare; he just made it the State’s job”….
  
  Savage invented welfare or “social security” as it was then known. What you refer to was known as charity.
  
  Charity was mean, it was miserable & it was administered by Godaddled, condescending arseholes.
  
  Should you disagree Charles Dickens wrote quite a few books on the subject. You’ll find copies in your local library..
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:50am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Whatever Dickens wrote fictionally on the subject I feel that he did the concept of ‘charity’ and its reputation as ‘cold charity’ a deal of harm. Charity is still practised on various levels by people giving to organisations like the St Vincent de Paul Society and the Sallies- often by Christians with a valued social conscience. ‘Charitable’ is still a word with positive connotations despite nasska’s sneering attitude.
    
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    December 18, 2016 11:09am
- stephieboy
  
  duggledog, is it no surprise that alt righters like you feel so electorally marginilised !
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:00am
  - pentwig
    
    You are a fuckwit daffy.
    
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    December 18, 2016 12:29pm
- Viking2
  
  And it wasn’t Savages idea’s altogether.
  The housing program was thought up and owned by his arch enemy, non pacifist, true Kiwi (unlike Savage who was Australian pacifist who ran away to NZ to avoid being drafted into the Australian Military)
  I refer of course John A Lee.
  Discredited by all the Labour hacks who held the homosexual Savage as their God.
  
  If you want some good reading over the break see if you can find some of Lees books. Simple on a Soap Box is a good one.
  
  They are getting hard to find now as the Labour lot have been destroying them because he exposed the myth that was Savage. One day the archives are going to allow Savages history out (if it hasn’t been destroyed even there), and the truth about him will prevail.
  e.g. what did he die off?
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:00am
  - mikenmild
    
    Go on, tell us how you alone got to know the suppressed ‘truth’ about Savage.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:15am
    - Viking2
      
      Wife’s Grandfather was a member of his Govt.
      Savage visited their home on many occasions. That house hold was Labour to the core.
      Her mother used to accompany her father to all manner of Labour things and to outings where the MP was involved in all manner of things as they are.
      
      One of the last long conversations I had with her was about Savage.
      She rarely spoke ill of people but in that conversation she summed up Savage as “not a nice person”.
      
      He was of course, like many homosexuals, a person who was liked by women. The reason is simply that they in no way threaten the safety or security of women. ( Have observed this among my staff on a number of occasions over the years.).
      
      Savage was really not a nice person.
      If you read up you will find that when he became PM one of his first acts was to make the Cabinet rule that no person who had served in the military was allowed to be a Cabinet Minister.
      
      This was directed at Lee and others who went away to WW.1 and was driven both by his pacifist bent and his removing of a challenger, for Lee became a much more popular man, especially in Auckland, where Labour strongholds were. Interesting that these are now all falling over after all this time.
      My view is that this comes with better education and we will soon see the demise of Labour. I keep asking who will be the beneficiary of the cash and more particularly the assets of the Labour Party when it finally does collapse. Perhaps another group will grow under its banner but changing its name and policy like the various Pacific groups do in religion and they will inherit the assets as they do the churches. ( Kinda reverse takeover stuff of Brierley style.
      
      Labour as it does, was squabbling then as it does today.
      The only time it has been sort off unified was during the Lange/Douglass first term. That got fucked by the Pope.
      
      There is a whole history there that is never spoken of.
      
      Get hold of Lees books and have a read. Interesting stuff.
      
      Savage would walk into a room full of ladies who would swoon over him and his response was always “there now, there now”
      Many men did not like him at all.
      
      Just the way it was as opposed to the official Labour history. ( Its there DNA to embellish the bits they want and erase the bits they don’t. It’s where the Maori’s learnt that shit.
      
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      December 18, 2016 11:08am
      - mikenmild
        
        I have read Lee’s books, also his biography and the biographies of Savage and Fraser.
        No evidence that Savage was a homosexual (“not that there’s anything wrong with that”). It seems more likely that he was asexual or such a repressed homosexual that he never acted on it.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:22am
      - Kimbo
        
        The fall-out between Savage and Lee was well-known at the time. And as per Muldoon’s books, he and Lee used to correspond regularly. Hardly surpriisng as they were both ex-servicemen from wrong-side-of-the-tracks families, with the same political hero, R J Seddon.
        
        I seem to recall reading somewhere that Savage, on his deathbed, greeted with joy the news Lee had been expelled. Also Roger Douglas’ dad, Norman, went with Lee into exile, but later returned to the Labour Party fold. According to “The Diary of the Kirk Years” (written by Norman Kirk;s secretary), Norman Douglas’ exclusion from the Kirk cabinet in 1972 (remember, Labour caucuses vote for members of cabinet – a direct result of the Savage-Lee split) was as a result of lasting resentment. Kirk was particularly disappointed as Roger Douglas waselected to cabinet, but his old man’s obvious disappointment took the gloss off what should have been a great day for his son. On being told by Norman Snr. that he “would not forget”, Kirk upbraided him with the observation that that was likely the reason his colleagues saw fit not to elect him to a cabinet post.
        
        Oh, yes, and then there was Savage dropping the furniture in the hallway as soon as he got in the door and out of view of the cameras at the opening of the first state house in 1937! 😉
        
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/we-call-it-home/first-state-house
        
        Petty things, but yeah, Savage was a man with all the foibles of human nature, not the saint that Labour hagiography demands. But gay? Maybe. But who cares?!
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:22am
      - Gabby
        
        How homosexual was he? As homosexual as you? Or not quite as homosexual as you?
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:46pm
- Reid
  
  People like Shearer don’t know their history and think that nothing can work in New Zealand without a Big Labour Government.
  
  Reagan: “Government is not the solution to our problem government IS the problem”
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid, and Reagan ran up massive Federal deficits !
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:20am
    - Reid
      
      stupidboy, Obama took on more debt over his eight year term than all 43 previous Presidents did combined!
      
      And dummies like you support him?
      
      Wouldn’t you have to be a complete moron to do that stephie? Wouldn’t you have to be a raving idiot to support a POTUS that did that? What sort of complete and utter mental would possibly do that, knowing that, stephie? What sort of…
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:03am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Genuine question: National debt went up under Obama. I understand that this was a response to the global financial crisis, i.e. borrow to maintain spending while tax take was down.
        
        Didn’t Bill English do exactly the same here? I’ve looked on Google for the figures and there’s a definite spike after 2008.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:18am
      - mikenmild
        
        True that, DA. I’m not sure what governments are supposed to do in recessions other than borrow to maintain the economic position. Refusing to borrow would mean cutting expenditure and probably worsening the situation.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:23am
      - Kimbo
        
        Refusing to borrow would mean cutting expenditure and probably worsening the situation.
        
        Sure. But in 2009 and 2010 the Opposition and media was criticising Key for not borrowing enough, and creating the make-work schemes that were being tried in both Australia and the US. Other than the relative chump-change of a cycleway and insulating homes, Key and English resisted the challenge to go with pump-priming like, say, Obama’s cash for clunkers.
        
        Hence Key is admired by Australians and Americans with the expertise to judge with discernment when they compare their nations’ transition through the GFC to ours. And yet another reason why those who do not consider Key a remarkable and astute manager in difficult time, are, IMHO, mistaken.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid, Obama” took” on more debt ? Where did that debt come from ?
        
        Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
        
        https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit
        
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        December 18, 2016 2:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Michael Joseph Savage (not merely Michael Savage) was a saint, and a picture of Himself hung proudly on the walls of many workers’ homes. He may have been the first NZ politician to realise the power of hero worship, but many of his ideas were impractical as Michael Bassett writes:
  
  ‘Many interventions worked for awhile. It was only in the longer term that it became clear that the beneficial effects of one act often cancelled out another. Nowhere was this more evident than with the blanket introduction of the 40 hour week in 1936 and the round of wage rises that followed. When working hours fell back suddenly and there was a requirement to pay overtime, manufacturers costs shot up. Inflation followed this initial jump in wages. Savage and his colleagues thought this shouldn’t be allowed to occur. Price controls were used more vigorously on essential items like bread. But the Government soon found that wheat producers were not prepared to continue growing a product the price of which was kept at an artificially low level. Ministers responded to this conundrum by introducing taxpayer subsidies to compensate for the gap between the price needed by the wheat grower and the low price which the baker had to pay for flour if the end-price of bread was to stay low. During the war a wide range of subsidies had to be introduced and the cost to the taxpayer rose even more steadily after the war, necessitating a higher tax take. Taxes have always impinged most heavily on wage workers who have few opportunities to avoid them. The State had become involved in a system of robbing Peter to pay Peter’.
  
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  December 18, 2016 11:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , the rest is history . Those intial reforms of the first Labour government still remain moreorless intact till this very day !
    
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    December 18, 2016 2:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      What reforms are those. Price controls, subsidies?
      Evidence?
      
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      December 18, 2016 3:10pm
- GoVege
  
  DD: if all that help was out there, how come we used to have orphanages?
  It was definitely not as supportive as you make out.
  
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  December 18, 2016 2:18pm
Tauhei Notts

Following the tragedy that is Aleppo the Green Party is saying that we should take more refugees from that war torn area. To back it up they trundle out the bit about New Zealand taking so many refugees from war torn areas in the aftermath of World War Two. Refugees that boosted the diversity of our country.
Those Lefties; they just cannot help themselves with another gross lie.
Okay, we put the refugees from Poland in Pahiatua. And some Greeks were settled here. The Greens celebrate the diversity they brought here. I’m having moussaka for lunch today.
But the Greeks were not refugees from WW 2. They were refugees from a brutal communist led civil war that was barbaric in the extreme. Read The Kapetanios by Dominique Eudes or The Apple of Discord by Chris Woodhouse.
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December 18, 2016 8:38am
- Reid
  
  Given the West is responsible for it, we should be taking more, but they should be Aleppo Christians.
  
  Here’s a small hint at the blood and destruction that’s squarely at the door of the Western sheeple.
  
  http://www.boredpanda.com/before-after-syrian-civil-war-aleppo/
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:58am
  - stephieboy
    
    BS ! Inform yourself with this Syrian civil war timeline where Assad was the first to fire the shots killing numerous peace protestors March 2011,
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14703995
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:02am
    - Reid
      
      Only stupidboy could be dumb enough to imagine he’s making a point by quoting the very same media which setup the meme in the first place.
      
      Why don’t you do some research into that incident without using any data from the same media that created the meme stupidboy. Unless of course you’re not interested in truth but rather in merely braying heavily the meme, the whole meme and nothing but the meme, just to demonstrate to DARPA what a good little sheeple you are.
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , at least you not calling me a C which earned you a ban .
        
        Like to tempt fate again ?
        
        Now about that Pizzagate fantasy world of yours ?
        
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        December 18, 2016 9:22am
      - Reid
        
        Yes stupidboy, so go on, explain those emails. Go on, I asked you to do it last night, and you didn’t. Go ahead, or shut up. One of the two.
        
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        December 18, 2016 9:35am
      - Gabby
        
        Meme is the Devil’s word, ‘Reid’. It’s how you pretend something is a lie to cover up your own devilish lies.
        
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        December 18, 2016 9:57am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Reid , at least you not calling me a C which earned you a ban .’
        
        Bad luck Reid, but a pretty accurate assessment most would agree with.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , explain what emails. ? Yes Pizza’s are mentioned in the emails ( a popular fast food in America even amongst the elites. The word Pizza a complex code for pedophilia it seems
        
        Crazy alt right conpiracy theorists like you automatically deduce that there must be a Pedophile Dungeon under Comet Ping Pong. The mad gunman, Edgar Welch, even shot off the lock on a door thinking it led to the dungeon All he found was a storage cupboard , A few more shots later the police arrived and he was arrested !.
        
        Give us a break !
        
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        December 18, 2016 2:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What do YOU mean when you use the term ‘alt right’ Creepyboy?
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:03pm
  - Viking2
    
    Except that we us Kiwi’s are not responsible and have indeed endeavored to mitigate the war.
    That doesn’t mean we should solve their problems by adding to ours.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:02am
    - Reid
      
      No you are V2. Directly responsible. You have Syrian blood on your hands just as surely as if you had travelled to Syria to fight with the terrorists against the Syrians.
      
      After all, the Germans were held collectively accountable for their part in WWII so why doesn’t the same rule now apply to the aggressors in this war?
      
      And we haven’t tried to mitigate this war. If we’d tried to do that right now we’d be siding with Russia and China on the UNSC and we’d be using our intel services to publish the involvement of the CIA in the affair. Instead we’re merely meekly following the Western community, the same community that armed, trained, supplied and leads the terrorists.
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:19am
- Huevon
  
  The other thing to remember is that war doesn’t last forever. 70 years ago Berlin and Madrid were in ruins. 40 years ago Chile and Argentina were run by brutal dictatorship, etc etc. This thing in Syria will blow over.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:09am
flipper

“Happychappy
Another day closer to Xmas with a …………….”
A word made up by the PC lame-brains of this world (rather like ‘phobic this or that, or whatever). They insist on calling Caucasians (no such thing as a European or “PAKEHA”). Best t0 ignore them or tell them to F**k off.
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December 18, 2016 8:47am
freemark

The world’s greatest SYSOP with a massive God-Complex gets comprehensively “owned”.
Love it..
https://thestandard.org.nz/to-protect-whistleblowers/
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December 18, 2016 8:49am
- SteveRemmington
  
  Thanks Freemark. Best chuckle I have had in ages.
  
  I do love Lyns assumption that it is easy to find the political entities behind the hacking because “Almost all of the damaging releases were all one way. To try to make Clinton look bad.”
  
  Almost like Dirty Politics NZ.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I went there and I felt a need to go out for copious quantities of Janola. That man is unhinged.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:07am
Stars And Stripes

Pike River protesters warned to move off road to mine
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pike-river-protesters-warned-to-move-off-road-to-mine/ar-AAlF6tl?li=AA521r&ocid=spartandhp.

Have to say I have totally had a guts full of this circus but this article did turn up one little gem.
“Mr Monk said he appreciated this put the landowner, Colin van der Geest, in a difficult position.
“Understandably, he doesn’t want to get mixed up in all this, and I’ve always said to Colin ‘listen, we’ll stand by whatever you say’, and he’s stated he doesn’t want his company pulled through the coals over this and we honour that.”

Pulled through the coals!!.
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December 18, 2016 8:50am
- Biscuit
  
  I am preparing my annual list of ‘People I Want To Hear Nothing From Next Year’ List:
  
  1. Bernie Bloody Monk
  2. Kim Dotcom
  3. Penny Bright
  4. Joe Karam
  5. Gerald Hope
  6. (Wishful thinking country) Winston Peters
  7….
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:23am
  - Nostradamus
    
    I noted this part of the article that Stars And Stripes linked to:
    
    Spokesperson Bernie Monk said the owner of the access road has been reminded by Solid Energy that he signed an agreement granting it access to the mine.
    
    This confirms my previous comment (in which I quoted from the Royal Commission report) that Van der Geest signed an “access agreement and right of way agreement” for a 40-year term.
    
    I should probably be surprised that journalists didn’t ask basic questions about Van der Geest’s contractual arrangements with Solid Energy, but I’m not!
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:38am
  - stigie
    
    7. Material Turei speaking Maori
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:43am
    - Morrissey
      
      Something you can’t do, obviously. You should try, but I bet you’d never achieve fluency.
      
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      December 18, 2016 1:12pm
    - stigie
      
      What’s the use of speaking piss poor Maori Morrie like Material Turei does and not being able to understand the fucking language like Material Turei doesn’t ffs !~
      
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      December 18, 2016 2:32pm
      - Morrissey
        
        She’s trying, at least. That’s a good thing, surely?
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:33pm
      - stigie
        
        That’s fine in a kindergarten Morrie but she is suppose to be a grownup isn’t she..?
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:11pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    7. Morrissey
    8. Lizzie Marvelly
    9. Weasel-face Hager
    10. Gareth Morgan
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:50am
    - Rich Prick
      
      11. Russell bloody Norman. I thought we’d got rid of the whiny snivelling git.
      
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      December 18, 2016 12:02pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Ha, what have I begun?
      
      I’d FORGOTTEN about Messrs Norman, Hager and Morgan!
      
      Lemme update then:
      
      People I Want To Hear Nothing From Next Year
      
      1. Bernie Bloody Monk
      2. Kim Dotcom
      3. Penny Bright
      4. Joe Karam
      5. Gerald Hope
      6. (Wishful thinking country) Winston Peters
      7. Wussell
      8. Nicky Hager
      9. St. Gareth
      10. MIchael Cheika
      
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      December 18, 2016 12:34pm
      - Jack5
        
        Biscuit at 12.34 slyly puts the boot into Gerald Hope, father of the murdered girl.
        
        Extremely nasty of you, Biscuit.
        
        I suppose you sent a postcard to the psychopath who is doing time for her murder.
        
        I note that in a later post in this thread you say you live by the poem, Desiderata.
        
        This poem is a bit of a fraud. It was supposed to have been found in an old church. In fact was written in 1927 by Max Ehrmann, and Indiana lawyer and poet who died in 1945.
        
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        December 18, 2016 5:04pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Jack5, 12.34.
        
        Thanks for the ‘sly’ putdown of your own.
        
        Context time…
        
        My list is, if you read, of people I don’t wish to hear from in 2017.
        Mr Hope is on that list because I tired of his latest PR stunt, the meeting with Scott Watson, wherein we learned:
        1. That Watson didn’t break down and admit guilt
        2. Hope didn’t believe Watson is innocent, and
        3, There is an upcoming North & South ‘expose’ which will take 15 or so pages to tell us the two things just detailed, both of which any thinking New Zealander could have stated WITHOUT the farce of the meeting in question.
        
        I am aware of the provenance behind ‘Desiderata’. That doesn’t affect in one iota that I find it quite an inspiring piece of text.
        
        Happy Christmas and a safe New Year to you.
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:55pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Translation: “I don’t like having Morrissey, Elizabeth Marvelly (why does the Left have all the babes, dammit?!?!?), Nicky Hager and Gareth Morgan disturbing my carefully nurtured and fragile sense of complacency. I fear them and resent them, and I intend to respond with something choleric and splenetic whenever that ass Morrissey in particular posts a message. Even at the risk of being seen as a silly old codger.”
      
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      December 18, 2016 1:02pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Greetings, Morrissey!
        
        I live by that great poem, Desiderata, particularly its wonderful line:
        
        Listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
        
        [Settle, I’m not calling YOU ‘dull’ or ‘ignorant’. I’m trying to say I listen to anyone.]
        
        You are, of course, correct – my List is decidedly short of folk from the Right end of the political spectrum.
        
        This may, of course, have something to do with the fact that such folk, like me, are such terrific souls [settle, Morrissey! Sit. stay, good Morrissey!] but my next update will include a few of that mob so as to show I’m not too biassed!
        
        Postscript:
        The Left ‘has all the babes’?
        Really?
        Metty?
        Annette?
        Jacinda?
        
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        December 18, 2016 1:19pm
      - Morrissey
        
        The Left ‘has all the babes’?
        
        I was actually voicing what I think often goes through the good Captain’s mind, given that he seems obsessed with the gorgeous Lizzie Marvelly.
        
        I admit that female pulchritude is not exclusive to the left; a decade ago I wrote a little scenario on Google Groups in which the female lead was the lovely National Party M.P. Katherine Rich; I’ve been trying to track it down but I just can’t find it. It’s there in cyberspace somewhere!
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:39pm
- Geordie
  
  You would think Labour and the Greens wouldn’t want their protesters having anything to do with big dairy. I have always had huge admiration for Van der Geest, an excellent and innovative farmer, therefore I am surprised he didn’t realise Solid Energy had an easement over the road, definitely out of character for this man.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11765306
  https://nzfarmersweekly.co.nz/section/dairy/view/pine-to-pasture
  
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  December 18, 2016 11:06am
Chuck Bird

It is a beautiful day in the sunny Waikato. I will some be off to ride the cycle trail out to the Hamilton Gardens.

I must thank John Key for the cycle trails. That is one promise he kept.
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December 18, 2016 8:58am
- holysheet
  
  And it’s one more than your drunken dwarf will ever keep. I see last night he is going to make a condition of propping up a Govt, next year, that they agree to enter the Pike River mine. The nats should agree on the condition that he be the first to enter.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Winston, the world’s first maori canary
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:03am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Winston is neither stupid or a coward. If the proposal is followed the risk would be negligible. There would be no need for breathing gear. I would be happy to go in myself. I have worked underground like Winston in a tunnel rather than a mine.
    
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    December 18, 2016 11:12am
    - holysheet
      
      The only digging you or the drunken dwarf have ever done is here on KB. When you are in a deep hole, stop digging.
      
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      December 18, 2016 11:46am
- Happychappy
  
  Oh isn’t Winston down at the Delta today,surely you can grab another of those MPs that you talk about meeting all the time to fill in.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:34am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Chuck:
    
    Will you pass through “the point” (whatever that is) on your way to Hamilton Gardens?
    
    I have just heard there are some of them [men having sex in public toilets] at the point in Ngaruawahia. There are some of us considering going down there with spot lights and cameras.
    
    Do keep us updated!
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:17am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Will do. Ngaruawahai is generally a conservative town.
      
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      December 18, 2016 11:05am
- Morrissey
  
  Thank the Greens for the cycle trails. They’re the ones who lobbied tirelessly for them.
  
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  December 18, 2016 1:13pm
  - PhilP
    
    Bullshit!! John Key made it a National Policy going into the 2008 elections and all the left Parties gave him arseholes. TWAT!
    
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    December 18, 2016 4:55pm
freemark

Another Leftie attempted hit job on NZ. The guy kind of gives it away with the “I hate John Key” posts on his FB page. Of course comments are disabled. http://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/87554686/lord-of-the-rings-actor-says-nz-tourists-shocked-by-polluted-sewer-middleearth
But wait, there’s more…
Pre-empting the calls of bullshit and deserved abuse by many who see it for what it is, we have another “opinion” piece (also comment-disabled) in support. Do these idiots really think that we are so stupid as to not see who is behind and how they do this shit?http://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/87677401/jonathan-milne-keeping-us-green-and-keeping-us-honest-this-summer
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December 18, 2016 8:59am
- Viking2
  
  Another broken down actor who struggles to earn a living. And they wonder why.
  Someone should tell him its the tax money from those he is criticizing that employed him on the film.
  
  And that still pisses us off.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:07am
  - ross411
    
    Yes, not just a benefit, but a special one that allows people to go and ponce around on our dollar.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:20am
duggledog

Nasska

Except NZ wasn’t Charles Dickens London, was it. I think that’s going a bit silly.

I don’t know what point you’re making, but I do concede Savage’s reforms were in no way meant to become what they became in the 1980s – but that’s the way with reforms like the Welfare State that rely on those receiving it to not take the mick.

I mean immigration into Britain courtesy of Tony Blair would be a case in point.

Hmmm, yes, um, hmmm. We did get that a bit wrong
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December 18, 2016 8:59am
jcuk

I’m all for helping those Syrians in their hardship … but not bringing ten thousand to NZ…. helping financely for them to right their lives … a useful use of tax.
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December 18, 2016 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  jcuk , why can we don’t bring in an additonal say 500 ?
  
  A paltry amount given the extent of Humanitarian catastrophe that has befallen Aleppo
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:06am
  - Viking2
    
    Not going to change anything.
    Just import the same shit to NZ.
    
    Do we need it?
    
    and they don’t change.
    Did a job this week for an Iranian driven out of his country.
    Still has backward attitudes to his wife.
    
    Don’t need this shit.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      Viking2 , I know an Iranian family next door and Dad does not do those things .
      
      Your point ?
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:11am
      - starboard
        
        oh, well its ok then. Lets open the floodgates to ’em. Off to St Lukes with you Stiffybot, nothing like perving at young nubile muslim girls on a Sunday morn. Pervert.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:04am
      - stigie
        
        What makes you think it’s muslim girls Starboard..?
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:09am
      - starboard
        
        Because stupidboy let slip one day that he had been down at St Lukes perving ” at young nubile muslim girls “..I kid you not.
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:48am
      - stigie
        
        Not teenage boys then Starboard. I suppose it doesn’t make a difference..?
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:53am
      - holysheet
        
        Or teenage goats
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Starbaord , a blatant lie . Just wish I had the wherewithal to take a defamation action against you !
        
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        December 18, 2016 2:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Creepyboy is in denial
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:01pm
      - stigie
        
        Dad could help you in that area Stiffy ! Just sayin.
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , and you obviously too !
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Pervs at young girls and admitted it on KB!
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:26pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Why don’t we send 500 back when the bullets stop?
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:10am
  - Manolo
    
    No, NZ does not need one more of your fellow followers of the paedophile prophet.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, you will never be in position to detemine that question thank God !
      
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      December 18, 2016 2:43pm
  - pentwig
    
    jcuk , why can we don’t bring in an additonal say 500 ?
    Can you explain this little gem daffy?
    
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    December 18, 2016 12:54pm
EAD

I see response to my post yesterday on the Balfour Declaration and the subsequent removal of over 100k British troops to Palestine focused soley on regurgitating the “official”, School Certificate bullshit version version of history on the military aspect but no-one attempted to counter the most extraordinary piece of history which is the the Balfour Declaration, whereby the British Foreign Secretary wrote to Lord Rothschild, offering the territory of Palestine to the zionist Jews as a homeland (when that strip of land had a Jewish population of less than 5% of the time)

Nobody at all seemed to find it odd that Britain “promised” territory she did not possess to a Zionist Jew who “anti conspiracy theorists” claim are nothing more than viticulturalists and successful business owners (despite having control of the World’s Central Banks).

How that piece of land has gone from 5%< Jewish to 75%+ and increasing with strictly enforced racial purity immigration laws including sterilising non Jewish women:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

How conversely at the same time, European Nations that were 99.9% homogenous back then, are now, through vigorous Jewish lobbying for massive 3rd world immigration, are now approaching being less than 50% European in terms of new born and with this % rapidly decreasing.

And how the owners of the MSM still lambast these, and only these countries inhabitants for so called ” Supremacism & Nationalism” despite being the only nations of all of history to willfully “diversify” themselves out of existence despite never being asked and despite still the vast majority of European people in opinion wanting no such outcome.

And these facts are all conspiracy theory apparently 🙂
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December 18, 2016 9:07am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , I take it you believe the Apollo moon landings were fake . Yet another Jewish Zionist Consptracy ?
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:09am
  - Reid
    
    Another example of the same stereotyping used by racists. You’re a racist aren’t you, stupidboy.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:28am
    - Gabby
      
      You’re a stupid aren’t you racistboy.
      
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      December 18, 2016 4:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid, nope !
      
      And you ?
      
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      December 18, 2016 4:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Whereis your evidence Reid believes the moon landings to be fake? Disgraceful smear from an awful trolling little man.
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:29pm
- mikenmild
  
  What did you find ‘odd’ about the Balfour Declaration. I’m not sure that there was anything particularly odd about the British offerening different things to different potential supporter in the middle of a world war.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:19am
  - EAD
    
    Who was the “potential supporter” MM?
    
    And “offering” a country majority populated by another nation of people for which it wasn’t theirs to offer?
    
    That’s a rather extraordinary offer isn’t it?
    
    And surely such a generous “offer” must by definition mean that people whom it is being offered to must have an extraordinary amount of power?
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:28am
    - mikenmild
      
      Not necessarily. Zionist aspirations for the colonisation of Palestine had been developing since the late nineteenth century.
      Britain was keen to retain Jewish support for the war. At the same time, the British wanted to encourage the Arab rebellion against the Ottomans. So they offered different, conflicting promises to different people. And double-crossed them both by planning, with the French, to add the conquered Ottoman territories to their own empires.
      Is there something about these well-known historical events that needs a further, simpler, explanation for you?
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:44am
    - Reid
      
      Yes, it’s not like it was something trivial, some trinkets for the boys. No. A whole country.
      
      Not quite the typical prize to lure a group toward you even during wartime, much much more significant, almost such that mm’s promulgated motive seems laughable.
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:45am
    - EAD
      
      Britain was keen to retain Jewish support for the war
      
      Why would the British need the support of such a supposedly “oppressed, powerless minority”?
      
      . At the same time, the British wanted to encourage the Arab rebellion against the Ottomans. So they offered different, conflicting promises to different people. And double-crossed them both by planning, with the French, to add the conquered Ottoman territories to their own empires.
      
      Wow – and you call me a ~~teller of uncomfortable truths~~ “conspiracy theorist”! 🙂
      
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      December 18, 2016 11:44am
      - mikenmild
        
        If you feel that any part of that basic explanation of Allied policy in the Middle East during WWI was incorrect, do feel free to correct me.
        If the words were to big for you, I could try to rephrase it for your reading level.
        
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        December 18, 2016 1:04pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Hi EAD,
        
        The other day you were arguing that the Jews were to blame for oppressing the Russians with Communism and that I should direct my hatred towards them rather than the Russians.
        
        And yet here you are arguing that the British gave over Palestine to the Jews, an oppressed, powerless minority. Are they your words or are you quoting someone else?
        
        You, um .. aren’t very strong on coherent logic, are you – it’s all very compartmentalised as what can be seen in your comments here. Jews are powerful in one part of the world to the point that they can take over a massive country, and weak in another where they seem almost too insignificant for the British to negotiate with.
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:12pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m not sure that asking EAD questions as if he were a rational human will result in any coherent answers.
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:21pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Lucia…
        mikenmild…
        
        While I applaud your willingness to take on incoherent fantasists, are you really going to do this over the summer holidays?
        
        Just tell him you’re Jewish and get it over with. As Kimbo points out, anything you say will just confirm in his own mind that you’re part of the conspiracy.
        
        Of course, since we all are …
        
        MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:35pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I get your point of view, tom. But I decided a while ago that I wouldn’t just let his Nazi bullshit slide.
        I remain in awe of DPF’s tolerance.
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:49pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Hi Tom,
        
        Yeah, I’m not going to let EAD get away with this crap, either. It won’t be every day, but it will be often enough that he will not feel safe here.
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:18pm
      - EAD
        
        And yet here you are arguing that the British gave over Palestine to the Jews, an oppressed, powerless minority
        
        @ Lucia,
        
        Surely even you can see that is sarcasm? I was taking MM/Stephieboy/Tom Hunters tactic of convincing us the Jewish tribe is a nation of people who are “oppressed” in order to “argue” against my assertions that Jewish people wield an enormous amount of power disproportionate to their numbers and they use it to destroy Goyim nations.
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:35pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        EAD,
        
        So glad you could join in.
        
        So … why would the British give over Palestine to the Jews, then? You’d think they’d be worried that they would take over the whole of the Ottoman Empire just as they had the Russian Empire?
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:49pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        BTW, I tend to miss sarcasm online. But now that you point it out, it’s a bit more obvious.
        
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        December 18, 2016 9:05pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep.
    
    They offered the Dalmatian coastline, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, as an inducement for the Italians to forsake their Triple Alliance partners and throw their lot in with the Allies in 1915. And the subsequent disappointment and fallout when they only got Trieste at the Treaty of Versailles helped contribute to the rise of Mussolini.
    
    Also, part of the reason for the American declaration of war in 1917 was the exposure of the Zimmermann Telegram – a German embassy communique promising the Mexicans they would get back Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona if they assisted the Central Powers to win the Great War.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:37am
    - EAD
      
      Also, part of the reason for the American declaration of war in 1917 was the exposure of the Zimmermann Telegram
      
      Haha – was that “fact” on the back of a Christmas cracker you pulled last night?
      
      American involvement in WWI is centered around the Balfour Declaration that pleased the Jewish Wall Street Bankers & the sinking of the Lusitania.
      
      I’ve covered the Balfour Declaration over the past 24 hours but as a starter for ten, here is a good primer on the sinking of the Lusitania.
      
      http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2015/05/ww-1s-pearl-harbor.html?m=0
      
      The truth ain’t what they teach you at high school!
      
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      December 18, 2016 12:12pm
      - CrazyIvan
        
        So America declared war two years after the sinking of the Lusitania, because of that event. Talk about being slow to the party.
        
        Perhaps you should go back to high school based on the status of that response. The Zimmerman Telegram, coming out at roughly the same time as Germany declaring unrestricted attacking on American shipping was enough to tip public opinion in favour of war.
        
        As for the Balfour Declaration, there are three obvious reasons for Balfour writing to Baron Rothschild:
        1. rally support amongst the Jewish refugees from Palestine in Egypt (to form a proposed Jewish legion)
        2. rally support from the Provisional Government in Russia, of which were many Jewish leaders,
        3. probably most importantly, to get support from the large Jewish population in the United States
        
        I’ve actually read more than the Internet on the subject, particularly Jonathan Schneer’s 2012 book. As mike pointed out, the fact the the British government had also offered Palestine to the Grand Shariff and his sons, demonstrated that the British were trying to do everything to drum up support where-ever it could
        
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        December 18, 2016 12:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Love it – and a classic example of why you can never dissuade a conspiracy theorist, as, no matter how outlandish, there is no way to falsify their claims. Indeed, contrary data is simply part of the conspiracy. Hence in one post you can ask
        
        And surely such a generous “offer” must by definition mean that people whom it is being offered to must have an extraordinary amount of power?
        
        …but when the example of the offer of a land-grab in 1917 by Kaiser-era Germany to impoverished, unstable and revolution-wracked Mexico is offered to you, it is dismissed with
        
        Haha – was that “fact” on the back of a Christmas cracker you pulled last night?
        
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        December 18, 2016 1:16pm
      - EAD
        
        As for the Balfour Declaration, there are three obvious reasons for Balfour writing to Baron Rothschild:
        
        But there is one even more obvious reasons you nearly state, but don’t quite reach the obvious conclusion. Jews at the time owned the British Government:
        
        “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls the British money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.” – Nathan Meyer Rothschild
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:44pm
      - RichardX
        
        EAD
        
        “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls the British money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.” – Nathan Meyer Rothschild
        
        DECEMBER 18, 2016 8:44PM
        
        On a roll with those dubious quotes
        http://www.illuminatirex.com/conspiracy-misquotes/
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Wed , if you look more carefully the question was addreesed to EAD.
  
  COMPRE ?
  
  DUH!
  
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  December 18, 2016 4:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Whereis your evidence EAD believes the moon landings to be fake? Disgraceful smear from an awful trolling little man.
    That better?
    
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    December 18, 2016 4:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Henry Heimlich, life-saving maneuver creator, dies at 96
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/us/henry-heimlich-life-saving-maneuver-creator-dies-at-96/ar-AAlGF0y?ocid=spartandhp.
“His son, Phil, said he died at Christ Hospital after suffering a heart attack earlier in the week”.

Somehow I doubt this explanation, more likely he choked on his weiner schnitzel if you ask me.
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December 18, 2016 9:24am
- mikenmild
  
  He was recently in the news for using his own technique to save a choking fellow resident at the rest home.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:30am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes indeed MM and some more useful information while we are on the topic.
    The Heimlich manoeuvre is no longer recommended procedure and has been overtaken by back slaps between the shoulder blades.
    So if anyone near you MM starts choking over your comments on KB you know what to do.?
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:36am
    - mikenmild
      
      Jolly good. Give yourself a pat on the back?
      Perhaps people commenting here should be more temperate in tone lest they be indirectly responsible for some fat bastard choking to death.
      
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      December 18, 2016 9:45am
      - Morrissey
        
        Speaking of fat bastards, this one needed more than the Heimlich manoeuvre to revive him….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdYgBhF9-w
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:33am
- Gabby
  
  Somehow I doubt whether one brain cell got a workout in the formulation of that observation.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:05am
Southern Raider

You’d be depressed if you were visiting NZ and got this guy as a tour guide.

Apart from showing you around you also get to learn about how NZ environment is screwed, we dam rivers to big corporates can screw the average person and how NZ has high income disparity.

On top of that of course Fairfax tries to make his opinion relevant because he is a LOR actor that no one has ever heard of.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/87554686/lord-of-the-rings-actor-and-tour-guide-outraged-by-polluted-middle-earth
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December 18, 2016 9:32am
- Gabby
  
  People don’t need to know that stuff.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:06am
Morrissey

Great Moments in Broadcasting. NOT.
No. 6: Phony liberals mug furiously as Aretha sings.
38th Annual Kennedy Center Honors, Washington D.C., December 6, 2015

A year ago the Kennedy Center held a special tribute concert for Carole King. As great as Carole is, however, it was the legendary Aretha Franklin who stole the show, singing her timeless hit “(You Make Me Feel Like A) Natural Woman”. [1]

Aretha is unimpeachably brilliant of course, but there’s something repellent about the over-the-top reaction shots of selected audience members, who seem to think they are obliged to show the audience just how reverent they are in their worship of the Queen of Soul. Carole King herself, I’m sorry to say, is excruciating in her ridiculous wide-eyed, face-pulling luvvie antics; she starts her performance at the 13 second mark. Sitting behind her is the great cellist Yo-Yo Ma; obviously embarrassed by her shenanigans, he is by the 2:02 mark displaying annoyance and contempt for her.

But even worse is the appalling couple who start an obviously well rehearsed routine of painfully excruciating finger-clicking and head-nodding at 0:46. The man, who has been lambasted for his insincere posturing [2] in the past, even pretends to brush away a tear, so profoundly moved is he by the song. Never has the old truism been truer: guilty feet ain’t got no rhythm.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bYwgi4htXE

[2] https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30062013/#comment-655545

Great Moments in Broadcasting. NOT is an occasional series highlighting some of the worst moments in our shameful history of broadcasting mediocrity and downright failure.
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December 18, 2016 9:34am
BrownSnake

The Twin Towers were done as a rallying call
to
Global Jihad
which has been answered

The Specific Date
9/11
Correlates with the Siege of Vienna

Educated yourselves

This Global Jihad will not stop until there
is global Sharia

http://gatesofvienna.net/

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

https://www.jihadwatch.org/

https://www.politicalislam.com
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December 18, 2016 9:57am
mikenmild

Scott Hamilton, who sometimes comments here, has written a book about the nineteenth century slave raid on the Tongan island of Ata. Very interesting for the New Zealand angle:
https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/new-zealand-listener/20161209/281573765323277
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December 18, 2016 9:59am
- Morrissey
  
  I heard him interviewed about this on the radio a couple of weeks ago. Really interesting story, which has many links to more recent persecutions of Pacific Islanders here, such as National’s notorious racist campaign in 1975.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:10am
  - mikenmild
    
    I think you mean the Labour and National racist campaign. The dawn raids started in 1974, I believe.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:15am
    - Morrissey
      
      The racist election campaign of 1975 was entirely National’s campaign.
      
      But yes, you’re correct, Labour also has a shameful record in this area.
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:29am
  - Reid
    
    What, the Dancing Cossacks? What was wacist about that?
    
    Sometimes NZers get idiot thoughts stuck in their heads and you can’t shift them. Hysterical incorrect reactions to hallucinated “facts.” It happens a lot. Nuclear-free for instance, this hysteria over a cartoon, P.C. psychobabble in general, gay marriage, the lamentable list is long.
    
    And you know Morrissey, it’s lefties like you and mm who cause it all, you know that? It’s your fault, for ruining the entire nation, time after time after time.
    
    And not only do you not desist, you keep doing it, you’ll definitely do it again, sometime in the not too distant future. And then everything will be ruined, again.
    
    Won’t it.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:41am
    - mikenmild
      
      There were more than just the dancing Cossacks. Maybe you were too young to be watching TV:
      http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/video/2158/national-party-advertisement
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        Interesting to view it now.
        
        It was also a dig at “whinging Poms”. In 1974 Norman Kirk had to (temporarily) cap the number of British immigrants, so great was the influx as the UK started to go down the gurgler with economic and social decline, three-day working weeks and IRA bombing campaigns on the mainland.
        
        Also, there was lasting resentment over the Keith Murdoch expulsion (the 1977 Lions bore the brunt of that, nearly five years later!), hence the amusement at the “Punch a Pom a day” joke by Tim Bickerstaff. And, the Brits were perceived to be over-represented in the local trade unions that were utilising increased strike action and other forms of militancy.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:00am
      - nasska
        
        …..”the Brits were perceived to be over-represented in the local trade unions that were utilising increased strike action and other forms of militancy”…..
        
        You have a gift for the understatement Kimbo. After we sent the cream of our men over to fight WW2 for the useless Pommie bastards they rewarded us by flooding our country with whinging third grade tradesmen who wouldn’t have been capable of a day’s work in an iron lung.
        
        These were the scum who rose to the top of the union movement & bloody near crippled the country. Everywhere you went, be it the waterfront, the freezing works or factories you’d hear the same snivelling, uneducated, Northern pommie “all oot brothers”.
        
        I had the misfortune to be employed alongside some of the soap dodging rejects. Arseholes to a man!
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:17am
      - Kimbo
        
        You have a gift for the understatement Kimbo.
        
        Thanks, nasska. But more like I try and establish the facts, and then, in the absence of conclusive evidence (your anecdote does not qualify as that 😉 ) …let others reach their own conclusions.
        
        Having sat in churches, and also observed politics for quite a while, and seen propagandists do their thing, I consider there is enough bullshit in the world. But if you want to use their methods of over-statement, blanket assertions and less-than-rigorous fact-finding…far be it from me to stop you acting like a quasi-religious demagogue. 😉
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:48am
      - Morrissey
        
        Our friend Kimbo writes, in apparent seriousness, of ‘the amusement at the “Punch a Pom a day” joke by Tim Bickerstaff.’
        
        In fact, most people were disgusted by that mirthless joke, and no one with a brain took Tim Bickerstaff seriously. He was a militant supporter of apartheid in South Africa, even increasing the shrillness of his advocacy after the Soweto massacre in 1976.
        
        His reputation plummeted even further in late 1999, when he urged halfwitted “fans” who were upset by the All Blacks’ thrashing at the hands of the Tricolours in the RWC semifinal to attack John Hart’s horse at the New Zealand Cup at Addington.
        
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        December 18, 2016 12:45pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Our friend Kimbo writes, in apparent seriousness, of ‘the amusement at the “Punch a Pom a day” joke by Tim Bickerstaff.’
        
        In fact,…
        
        Yawn.
        
        Situations Vacant for 2017: Kiwiblog requires the on-going services of a good radical-left-wing troll. Candidates who refrain from the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs, lapsing into false bonhomie, or doing poor and long-winded imitations of Red Grant, Goldfinger, or Donald Pleasence’s Blofeld giving a running-commentary of the current score (“just shoot him in the head!”) will be considered favourably.
        
        Please include copies of your work with your application, but note, any “history of broadcasting” clips covering obscure exchanges on National Radio from 1978 will be grounds for automatic exclusion
        
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        December 18, 2016 1:02pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ….any “history of broadcasting” clips covering obscure exchanges on National Radio from 1978 will be grounds for automatic exclusion.
        
        I’ve got stuff from much earlier than 1978 in preparation right now. KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED, FELLAS!
        
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        December 18, 2016 1:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        Nasska’s 11.17am post included:
        
        …After we sent the cream of our men over to fight WW2 for the useless Pommie bastards..
        
        What crap, Nasska. My immediate family has been in NZ for many generations, and some of family links go back a helluva lot longer than that.
        
        No-one from the family called the Brits “useless bastards” when they went to fight alongside them. The anti-British feelings were stoked up by deadhead Auckland radio announcers in the 1970s. If there were any “useless bastards” it was the radio hate merchants.
        
        I’ve never heard Americans talking about the New Zealanders and Australians they came to save from imminent invasion in World War 2 as ‘useless bastards’, and I never heard the generation of Kiwis who fought alongside the Brits talk about the Brits like that either.
        
        Go back a war to 1914, and you’ll find the Kiwi soldiers still called themselves British.
        
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        December 19, 2016 12:01am
  - Inandout
    
    Yes I remember the raids well. Normally K Rd at the time was bristling with Islanders, but during the raids there were hardly any to be seen; not entirely sure why.
    
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    December 18, 2016 2:39pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Well, just imagine you lived in a country where a hostile police force targeted anyone with European features. Every time you went to the pub, a phalanx of these cops were quite likely to enter and arrest or beat up you and any of your European-looking mates. Maori drinkers—many of them your mates—would furrow their brows, look troubled, and express how disturbed they were at the police actions, but didn’t do anything more in the way of helping you.
      
      There was a small number of ignorant and loud-mouthed Maori talkback hosts who vilified, round the clock, all European-looking people, and the Letters to the Editor column of papers like the Herald were full of vicious anti-European rhetoric.
      
      The police—mainly but not exlusively staffed by violently prejudiced Maori thugs—frequently raided European homes, terrifying small children and insulting their parents and grandparents, looking for “overstayers”.
      
      And a mainstream political party—let’s call it, oh, the Lanoitan Party—ran brutal attacks against Europeans as one of its main election policies.
      
      In a short time, there would hardly have been any Europeans to be seen on the streets of Auckland.
      
      Are you still now unsure why you didn’t see many Pacific Islanders on the streets when the police were cracking down on them?
      
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      December 18, 2016 3:51pm
BrownSnake

It is important to view the videos of the recent bombing of this Church

http://raymondibrahim.com/2016/12/13/apocalyptic-videos-st-peters-bombing/

What is important to note is the bomb was placed
deliberately in an areas of the church to cause as much carnage where
both Woman and children were

This “Attacks on Woman and Children is why a:

Womans Fun Run for Breast Cancer on
Mothers Day in Melbourne was chosen
by the ISIS operative operating in the “UK”

Australia would have seen similar scenes if not
for the Good work of their security forces.

Only one week to go before Xmas

Has Aus security done their homework
are they ready
We hope so – they are good.
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December 18, 2016 10:12am
Reid

At Least 14 US Coalition Military Officers Captured by Syrian Special Forces in East Aleppo Bunker

Fares Shehabi MP, a prominent Syrian Parliamentarian and head of Aleppo’s Chamber of Commerce published the names of the Coalition officers on his Facebook page on the 15th December:

Mutaz Kanoğlu – Turkey
David Scott Winer – USA
David Shlomo Aram – Israel
Muhamad Tamimi – Qatar
Muhamad Ahmad Assabian – Saudi
Abd-el-Menham Fahd al Harij – Saudi
Islam Salam Ezzahran Al Hajlan – Saudi
Ahmed Ben Naoufel Al Darij – Saudi
Muhamad Hassan Al Sabihi – Saudi
Hamad Fahad Al Dousri – Saudi
Amjad Qassem Al Tiraoui – Jordan
Qassem Saad Al Shamry – Saudi
Ayman Qassem Al Thahalbi – Saudi
Mohamed Ech-Chafihi El Idrissi – Moroccan

“Thanks to information received, Syrian authorities discovered the headquarters of high ranking western/NATO officers in the basement of an area in East Aleppo and have captured them alive. Some names have already been given to Syrian journalists, myself included. The nationalities are US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari etc. In light of their nationalities and their rank, I assure you that the Syrian government have a very important catch, which should enable them to direct negotiations with the countries that have tried to destroy them.”

Although these initial reports describe the individuals in question as “NATO” officers, it’s unlikely they would have been carrying NATO colors on a covert operation – and might be more accurately labeled as US Coalition officers. Note that early reports suggest that these are not standard ‘street rebel’ or jihadi terrorists but actual Coalition military personnel and field commanders.

21WIRE also received unconfirmed reports yesterday that militants had fired a missile into the Ramousa area and then tried, unsuccessfully, to get cars out of East Aleppo. It’s possible this incident could be related to today reports of captured western operatives.

“The Security Council is sitting in private on Friday, December 16, 2016, at 17:00 GMT, while NATO officers were arrested this morning by the Syrian Special Forces in a bunker in East Aleppo.”

If true, this latest news would also mean that both the Syrian and Russian governments would have additional leverage going forward in any bilateral negotiations with the US-led Coalition.

If, however, this story is kept under wraps by NATO member governments and summarily blacked out by the US and European media outlets, then it might indicate that a deal has been struck, albeit behind the scenes, for the return of captured NATO operatives in exchange for other concessions.

If today’s report from East Aleppo is accurate, this might also help explain the hysterical behavior by the US State Department and western UN officials who have been demanding “an immediate ceasefire” – despite the fact that 99% of East Aleppo has already been liberated by Syrian government forces.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/reports-at-least-10-nato-military-officers-captured-by-syrian-special-forces-this-morning-in-east-aleppo-bunker/
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December 18, 2016 10:27am
- Reid
  
  So did the people who downticked do so because they don’t believe it or because they can’t explain it so they don’t like it and they’re lashing out at the messenger?
  
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  December 18, 2016 1:40pm
  - Gabby
    
    They’re wondering when the Saudis joined nato.
    
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    December 18, 2016 4:15pm
    - Reid
      
      Yes you’re clearly unaware of proxies and how they’re used. Perhaps you should look it up.
      
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      December 18, 2016 5:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid, at least we have their names . Russian ” Ghost Soldiers” have been in Syria for some time .
  
  The term “Ghost ” refer to those fighting as so called “contractors”. In reality a euphanism for mercanaries ,
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-insight-idUSKBN12Y0M6
  
  I wonder why the Putin and the Kremlin feel they need to be so underhand ?
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-insight-idUSKBN12Y0M6
  
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  December 18, 2016 3:06pm
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    Speaking of underhand. When you are leering at ‘young women with nubile breasts’, do you ask permission first?
    
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    December 18, 2016 3:12pm
Jigsaw

Nothing here that I can see relating to the news item on Red Radio about the Maori immersion school from Rotorua who spent $700,000 of public money taking 139 students plus 21 staff and 73 support people on a trip to Hawaii to trace their roots. They raised something like $37,000 themselves but all of the rest came from the public purse. The auditor general has raised the issue and the school claims that they got permission from the ministry to spend the money. WHERE is the outrage??
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December 18, 2016 10:31am
- starboard
  
  Just another day in Nil Ziland mate..the specials really are special. Tip of the iceberg.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:45am
- Nostradamus
  
  Jigsaw:
  
  Nukuleka brought this matter to our attention yesterday.
  
  There doesn’t seem to have been much media coverage other than, it seems, Radio New Zealand:
  
  The rules around using public money to fund students’ overseas travel need to be clarified, says the principal of the Rotorua school that went on a $700,000 trip to Hawaii.
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  “We’ve retraced the footsteps of our ancestors. We’ve been to Rarotonga, we’ve been to Tahiti, we’ve been to Rangiātea. Now we can tick off Hawaii and I’m not quite sure where we’ll go next.”
  
  Good grief!
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:47am
  - mikenmild
    
    Radio New Zealand? But aren’t they just lying communist propagandists?
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:50am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mikenmild:
      
      I think Radio New Zealand deserves credit for good old-fashioned journalism – the article linked to the Controller and Auditor-General’s report, and the journalist contacted Te Kura Kaupapa Māori O Ruamata for more information.
      
      Another school that featured in the report for an overseas school trip:
      
      Hauturu School (2015) – The school incurred expenditure of $24,796 sending 14 students and five adults on a trip to Australia’s Gold Coast and only received contributions of $2,020. The school did not keep complete records of expenditure and revenue for this trip, and the educational outcomes for the trip were unclear.
      
      Starboard recently visited the Gold Coast, so hopefully he can tell us what “educational outcomes” he achieved from his holiday!
      
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      December 18, 2016 11:06am
      - mikenmild
        
        Just teasing, by referring to the general reputation of ‘Red Radio’ on this site.
        Actually, RNZ is responsible for the best journalism in New Zealand.
        
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        December 18, 2016 11:16am
      - Gabby
        
        Haven’t heard much from Heckuva Piranha about it.
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:11pm
  - Kabull
    
    If, as it appears, this was funded by us the taxpayers then the balance is all wrong. That amount of money would go a long way to help the parents of special needs children who do not get ORRS support. Acquaintances with two severely autistic children are having to pay for classroom support themselves, at a cost of $600-700 per week. Extend that out over 10 years of schooling and ponder the fairness of it all…
    
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    December 18, 2016 11:22am
Manolo

An AGW activist with a sharp eye for a buck:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/actor-dicaprio-says-climate-action-u-biggest-economic-181144924.html
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December 18, 2016 10:38am
VicParking

The Gaggle of scientists who are running down New Zealand’s 100% Pure brand will be the first to moan because their funding is decreased because the governments tax take is reduced due to less tourists. Bruce Hopkins and his Geen party mates are holding out one hand to the government for research grants, the other as tourist guides while slamming NZ’s image and warning toursts not to come. The only “Gutter holes” I can see are between his upper and lower teeth.
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December 18, 2016 10:42am
Manolo

Will progressive stephieboy say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, or nothing at all, as Muslims do?
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December 18, 2016 10:43am
- mikenmild
  
  And are you in the habit of greeting Muslims in their own language on their holidays? Jews? Hindus?
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:51am
Gabby

If you can’t afford bottled water you DESERVE to drink sewage.
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December 18, 2016 10:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You really are a nutjob
  
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  December 18, 2016 1:25pm
  - Gabby
    
    You’re more of a nutchin.
    
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    December 18, 2016 4:07pm
Reid

I told you about this CIA contract the other week:

It’s been a rough couple days for The Washington Post. Word emerged that hackers invaded its internal system—for a few days, no less—all of its staffers had to change their passwords as the company tried to figure out how much data had been compromised.

Meanwhile, a petition campaign was launched related to news that Amazon, under the Post’s new owner, Jeff Bezos, recently secured a $600 million contract from the CIA. That’s at least twice what Bezos paid for the Post this year. Bezos recently disclosed that the company’s Web-services business is building a “private cloud” for the CIA to use for its data needs.

Critics charge that, at a minimum, the Post needs to disclose its CIA link whenever it reports on the agency. Over 15,000 have signed the petition this week hosted by RootsAction.

In a statement released by the Institute for Public Accuracy, media writer/author Robert McChesney observes:

When the main shareholder in one of the very largest corporations in the world benefits from a massive contract with the CIA on the one hand, and that same billionaire owns the Washington Post on the other hand, there are serious problems. The Post is unquestionably the political paper of record in the United States, and how it covers governance sets the agenda for the balance of the news media. Citizens need to know about this conflict of interest in the columns of the Post itself.

If some official enemy of the United States had a comparable situation—say the owner of the dominant newspaper in Caracas was getting $600 million in secretive contracts from the Maduro government—the Post itself would lead the howling chorus impaling that newspaper and that government for making a mockery of a free press. It is time for the Post to take a dose of its own medicine.”

Fake news? Natch.

https://www.thenation.com/article/amazon-washington-post-and-600-million-cia-contract/
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December 18, 2016 11:00am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  (((Washington Post))) – Globalist propaganda.
  
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  December 18, 2016 11:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid, of course Trump will never use Breitbart , The Drudge or Fox News as a launching pad for CIA clandestine operations ?
  
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  December 18, 2016 3:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    How do you know what Trump will do?
    ‘Evidence ?’
    
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    December 18, 2016 3:14pm
  - Reid
    
    No of course not stephie. Who would be stupid enough to think that?
    
    …
    
    Have you informed DARPA “stephie?”
    
    They could be very angry with you if they know you’ve gone and said that.
    
    Your cover is endangered, you see. It’s such a massively stupid thing to say only the very dimmest of bulbs could possibly fail to realise no human could say that. The experiment could be unmasked is what I’m saying stephie.
    
    Boy, I wonder what’s going to happen next. It’s quite exciting isn’t it stephie, not knowing.
    
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    December 18, 2016 5:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid,
      
      Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency ( DARPA) ?
      
      Whats the latest paranoid conspiracy or Illuminati angle on this ?
      
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      December 18, 2016 5:28pm
      - Reid
        
        As I’ve explained, I used to think you were really Barry Soper, but then I realised Barry’s a lot smarter than you, so I did some research using my secret sources and they told me you could be a DARPA experiment to prove or disprove the theory a million monkeys typing forever could, eventually, make Shakespeare.
        
        DARPA being DARPA of course naturally didn’t want to wait till forever came, so they did some genetic engineering and came up with twenty thousand particularly astute candidates who they thought could progress the question.
        
        Thus is born “stephie.” This is the only thing which explains your multiple personas stephie, others hypothesise you’re a collection of shift workers, but I’m afraid I disagree.
        
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        December 18, 2016 5:55pm
Reid

The Purple Revolution gathers pace. Apparently a lot of people get their news only from Facebook. Incredible how much of an airhead you’d have to be to follow that practice but apparently that’s around 40% of Facebook’s users. So of course it’s fertile ground for the Purple Revolution. Make’s me laugh, when people think people like Zukerman and Brin et al just did it all themselves. If people only knew the truth behind the financing and support those companies have had and are now paying back in all kinds of ways.

Clinton mega donor George Soros leads line-up of liberal billionaires who are funding Facebook’s fake news fact checker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4041910/Clinton-mega-donor-George-Soros-leads-line-liberal-billionaires-funding-Facebook-s-fake-news-fact-checker.html
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December 18, 2016 11:12am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Apparently a lot of people get their news only from Facebook. Incredible how much of an airhead you’d have to be to follow that practice but apparently that’s around 40% of Facebook’s users.”
  
  That is not surprising, social media like Joo Book is geared towards females and sexual degenerates.
  
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  December 18, 2016 11:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jazz Hands , Joo Book suggests that you might share with EAD and Reid an aversion towards Jews ?
    
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    December 18, 2016 3:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Got a link to prove that?
      
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      December 18, 2016 3:15pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , let Jazz Hands answer it ! Or is he mentally incapacitated and you operate a power of attorney over him ?
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hey, you go round demanding answers from everyone. Besides, you are making the assumption.
        ‘Back it up !’
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:27pm
Manolo

Fact-checking the fact-checkers:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-checker-employs-leftists-almost-exclusively/

Snopes, which will now have the power to declare what news is or is not legitimate on the world’s largest online platform, almost exclusively employs leftists.

Facebook announced Thursday that mythbusting website Snopes will be one of a few fact-checking organisations allowed to label stories as “fake news.”
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December 18, 2016 11:16am
tom hunter

@Kimbo
Before buggering off from KB for my usual summer break there’s a couple of items I thought I’d drop for summer digestion by others and this one’s for you (basically since I know nobody else will be interested 🙂 )

Saw a doco on Netflix the other night, Fastball, which went into the history and science of fastball pitching in baseball.

One of the amusing moments was talking with past great batters about the rare “rising fastball” from a few (only a few) of the great fastball pitchers in history. A couple of physicists (also baseball fans) noted that it was not possible; spin the ball fast enough and it might rise in the same way a curveball bends through the air, but that’s not the way a fastball is thrown. They pointed out that what’s probably happening is that a pitch at really high speeds – 98-102mph – will naturally not have dropped as much as the hand-eye system of the batter expects. They swing under it and therefore think it climbed. Asked about this, Hank Aaron smiled and said he wasn’t going to argue with scientists – but some pitchers I’ve known could make the damned ball rise!!!

One of the coolest parts of the doco was finding out that even a hundred years ago, efforts were made to measure the speed of pitchers. It was the first time I’d heard such, the more usual comment about “the ancients”, being that in watching film of them it was clear that most were not pitching at express train speeds, which was why they could last nine innings and years in the Majors. They did show one film from 1939 where they ‘tested’ the great Bob Feller by having a police motorcycle cop tear past him at 86mph towards a large paper screen. As the bike passed him, Feller would pitch. It’s quite impressive to see Feller’s fastball pass the motorcycle and break through the screen before the bike does. They figured it as 98.6mph! Probably a bit wonky but it means he’d fit perfectly well in today’s game.

However, the first real test had occurred almost thirty years earlier and it was, of course, ‘The Big Train’, Walter Johnson. The US Army Ballistics Centre did the test. A screen of thin copper wires was placed at home plate. Walter’s pitch broke the wires, and tripped a clock that stopped when the ball hit a screen placed fifteen feet further back. The test had him at 134 feet per second – 91mph!

Then they did a real test of Feller in 1946 once he’d returned from WWII, getting to pitch at through some weird, triangular box device using light beams that – again – the US Army had developed for ballistics tests. That actually confirmed the pre-war motorcycle test – 98.6mph.

After that they jumped to the first use of radar in the 1970’s and naturally that was the famous test of Nolan Ryan which went into the Guiness Book of Records at 100.9? I remember seeing that as a little kid and being amazed that the guy was still pitching when I first went to the States in the mid-80’s. And of course they covered Aroldis Chapman and his 105.1 mph fastball when he was with the Yankees.

But what they then did was adjust for the different measurements. Chapman’s data is based on the radar measuring the now standard 10 feet from the pitcher’s mound, whereas Johnson’s was effectively measured 7.5 feet behind the plate, Feller’s at the plate, and Ryan’s, 10 feet in front of the plate. Once they adjusted it came out as (from memory):

Ryan – 108.1 mph
Feller – 107.6 mph
Chapman – 105.2 mph
Johnson – 102.3 mph

So there you have it: Nolan Ryan still on top. The doco showed his final game before he retired, when he finally “felt something pop” after 25 years in the majors. His final fastball before that was 98mph – at 46 years of age. Talk about a bionic arm!
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December 18, 2016 12:11pm
- Kimbo
  
  Hey, tom
  
  Thanks for that, and it’s been a pleasure swapping notes on baseball with you this year. And enjoying your genuine pleasure at that long-awaited Cubs win – hey, even Lucy would be relieved when Charlie Brown finally kicks that football!
  
  Wonder what Sandy Koufax in his prime would have clocked? Also, the theory that a fastball cannot rise, but rather doers not fall-off in its trajectory sounds like the optical illusion where sprinters accelerate in the last 70 metres of a 100m sprint. Whereas the experts say, what is really happening is that, say, Usain Bolt, is decelerating at a slower rate. 😉
  
  You do wonder about speed throughout the ages. For example, in cricket, I’m not so sure Harold Larwood of cricket’s ‘Bodyline’ fame was as quick as a Jeff Thomson, or Shaoib Akhtar. Speaking of Larwood, his primary target, Don Bradman had a really interesting chapter in his brilliant The Art of Cricket, written in the 1950s. The Don, curious, practical and intelligent man that he was, interacted with the knowledge of physics of the time, which said a cricket ball cannot “swing”…whereas any cricketer knew this was not the case.
  
  Back to baseball. What would the Big Train have clocked? You look at that wonderful physique, with those long-orangutan arms, and you suspect, even without modern training and measuring methods, he must have been fast. But even better than that, good. Like the scout who discovered him wrote to the Washington Senators:
  
  You better come out here and get this pitcher. He throws a ball so fast nobody can see it and he strikes out everybody. His control is so good that the catcher just holds up his glove and shuts his eyes, then picks the ball, which comes to him looking like a little white bullet, out of the pocket. He’s a big, 19-year-old fellow like I told you before, and if you don’t hurry up someone will sign him and he will be the best pitcher that ever lived. He throws faster than Addie Jones [Joss] or Amos Rusie ever did, and his control is better than Christy Mathewson’s. He knows where he’s throwing because if he didn’t there would be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho.”
  
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  December 18, 2016 12:36pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Hey Kimbo
    Thanks for the response. I love that last line about Johnson – “He knows where he’s throwing because if he didn’t there would be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho.”!
    
    In writing my comment I did a bit of checking and found that Koufax was likely pitching in the low 90’s and almost certainly never got above 95. It’s one of the delights that you can enjoy watching a Chapman at work with 100mph+, but also enjoy watching a Kendrick at 91mph tops!
    
    And of course those “adjusted” speeds have to make assumptions that the US Army equipment of 1913, 1917 and 1946 were well calibrated!
    
    Was driving most of yesterday and for once ended up listening to “Sports Talk”. In the discussion about the AB-Irish test loss in Chicago all the commentators raved about that week and the good spirits after the game between all the AB and Irish supporters – mixed in with what they witnessed from the locals with regard to the Cubs. I was surprised when they all agreed that it was one of the greatest weeks in sport that any of them had experienced – and that included World Cup wins and the like with the AB’s.
    
    As for me – well I’m still floating in a golden haze!!! I’ll be interested to see what happens next year: I’m sure the Cubs will be in the post-season, and I expect that to be the case for the next few years until age and injury wear down the young staff. Hopefully they’ll collect two or three more WS championships before that happens, but I’d be amazed if they won back-to-back championships. That’s pretty rare these days as the competition has evened out. No more dynasties like the Yankees of the 30’s and 50’s! And of course I can’t forget the fact that even a team as talented as the 1990’s Atlanta Braves – a starting pitching staff of Glavine, Smoltz, Avery and Greg Maddux (the “Four Horseman of the Apocalypse”) FFS – won only one WS, when they should have had several. And I think the Cubs need two or three to prove that this was not a fluke: a SF Giants type track record to 2022 would leave me well satisified.
    
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    December 18, 2016 1:10pm
- Morrissey
  
  Nolan Ryan’s greatest single feat….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH-SlMF0doQ
  
  Robin Ventura got a new nickname after this: “Speedball”.
  
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  December 18, 2016 4:05pm
tom hunter

After a crowd in West Allis, Wisconsin began booing at the mention of Paul Ryan’s name, Trump told them to stop. “He’s like a fine wine,” Trump told the crowd. “Every day I appreciate his genius more and more.”

Why I recall, from just a few weeks ago, the triumphant squeals of delight from Trumpitistas about how disloyal scum like Paul Ryan were going to be “dealt with”.

Chuckle…

Of course I also appreciate that Trump that appreciates reality…

The viciousness with which left-wing allies of Hillary Clinton and their media enablers attacked Trump persuaded the New York billionaire that there was no making peace with his adversaries. “He is not a traditional conservative, but he sure as hell knows who his enemies are,” a Trump aide told me. “He won’t be forgetting that either he defangs them, or they will defang him.”

Chuck Schumer is smarter than this and knows how many Democrat ideas he could persaude Trump to go for – starting with a trillion dollar “stimulus” plan. Fortunately the majority of the US Left are howling, screaming fucktards who don’t known when to stop and when they’re damaging themselves, and it looks like they may have poisoned Chuck’s well – for the moment.
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December 18, 2016 12:41pm
- mikenmild
  
  It would appear that Trump is too lazy to actually do anything about those congressional Republicans who opposed him. The government, it seems, will be sub-contracted out to Paul Ryan and the billionaires in the cabinet. Deepen the swamp!
  Looks like Trump will spend most of his time on tour telling adoring crowds how great his victory was.
  
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  December 18, 2016 1:09pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    And it was indeed one of the greatest political victories in history.
    
    His enemies corpses are rotting on the battlefield.
    
    He has pardon some political hostages who came on hands and kness, grovelling, to his front door begging mercy and forgiveness.
    
    Why do you beta cuck losers continue to underestimate the alpha male, will you ever learn?
    
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    December 18, 2016 1:24pm
    - Gabby
      
      Do you have your cuckface on, Jizzymitts?
      
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      December 18, 2016 4:04pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Chuck Schumer is smarter than this and knows how many Democrat ideas he could persaude Trump to go for – starting with a trillion dollar “stimulus” plan.”
  
  Chuckle.
  
  You don’t know what you are talking about Tom. Trump campaigned on the idea of a stimulus spending program.
  
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  December 18, 2016 1:20pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Given that it’s you Kea I normally wouldn’t bother responding but…
    
    I’m well aware that one of Trump’s campaign platforms was for the government to spend hugely on fixing up US infrastructure. He’s forever been negging the state of US airports and highways compared to China.
    
    I was making two points. The first was that he’s never referred to it as a “stimulus plan” because that would bring up too many bad memories among his supporters of the ill-fated 2009 Obama-Democrat effort (which many of them largely opposed), and also because his implied claim is that his spending plan is different – somehow. The second point I was making was that the fact that Chuck and the Democrats love this idea so much should put Trump on guard and give him second thoughts – but probably won’t. Keynesian Government spending = populism. Trump is the latter but supposedly is concerned about “waste” in the former.
    
    That’s okay though: it’ll get watered down in Congress by the GOP, who have no intention of doing exactly what Reid and Pelosi did and blowing a trillion dollars on “infrastructure investment”. They saw what happened last time and it was as predicted; straight down the toliet with no measurable impact on the economy at all.
    
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    December 18, 2016 1:49pm
    - stephieboy
      
      tom hunter , “..his ill-fated 2009 Obama-Democrat effort.. etc ”
      
      Seems to have been be lost on the voters 2012 .
      
      Explain ?
      
      Did Obama just refer to it as the “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act 2009 ” ?
      
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      December 18, 2016 3:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Why would he bother explaining to a troll like you?
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Wed , are you the official spokeperson for the alt right and sundry ?
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What do YOU mean by alt right?
        And why should he explain to a troll like you, eh C boy.
        
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        December 18, 2016 3:29pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed , alt right ? I take it is a yes from you,
      
      http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/118/884/931.jpg
      
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      December 18, 2016 4:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Alt right? Me? Lol
        Not at all Stephie.
        Just confirming that you use the phrase as an insult. Just like you call people Nazis.
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , EAD has described himself as a National Socialist and a great admirer of Adolf Hitler .Also he believes the Jewish Holocaust never happened .
        
        Do you therefore think it is unreasoable to describe him as a Nazi or Neo Nazi ?
        
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        December 18, 2016 6:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No it’s not acceptable. It’s offensive.
        Also , I have never said any such things like admiring Hitler etc yet you liken me to a Nazi
        Are you going to apologise?
        
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        December 18, 2016 6:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , as you get so easily confused . I sometimes wonder whether it is delibrate . The issue of EAD’s National Socialist beliefs was addreesed to him , not you.
        
        But if you like to confirm that you share them , well and good !
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:56pm
Manolo

In search of the crook:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-the-chappaqua-woods-a-search-for-hillary-clinton/2016/12/17/60daea40-c3c0-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.51c00d68da54
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December 18, 2016 1:24pm
Manolo

Christmas in today’s Paris:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4040682/Another-one-New-illegal-migrant-camp-holding-500-tents-UK-bound-refugees-pops-Paris-just-yards-official-one.html

Paris police have torn down an illegal camp full of UK-bound migrants which had sprung up in the shadow of a brand new £6million settlement centre in Paris.

The 500 migrants who lived in the squalid settlement – next to the busy A1 motorway heading to Calais, the Eurotunnel and Britain beyond – were either put on buses to another camp or simply left to fend for themselves.
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December 18, 2016 1:27pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Return to sender.
  
  That’s what the Jews do to them – African females are chemically sterilized if they dare turn up in Israel, and then they have the option of desert prison or return to 3rd World dump.
  
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  December 18, 2016 1:46pm
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    But that’s OK Jazz, it’s poor widdle Iswael. If it was some country like say, South Africa, that’s a completely different matter, then, it’s clearly wacist, no question at all, up to and to the point it becomes an international pariah. But poor widdle Iswael’s special, for you see, she’s a victim. It’s impossible to consider anything poor widdle Iswael ever does without having compassion on her for her interminable suffering throughout the ages just on and on without end. And once you see it like that Jazz, everything becomes clear, and it’s not poor widdle Iswael’s fault after all, because she’s been forced to, for example, rain white phosphorus shells upon residential areas as she did during the charmingly named Operation Cast Lead. By the heavy and unbearable hand of her tragic history, poor widdle Iswael has no choice at all in the matter, so it’s not her fault, because it can’t be.
    
    Hope that helps.
    
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    December 18, 2016 1:55pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jazz Hands Mc Feels, what do you make of Operation Solomon the rescue effort by Israel to air lift some 14,000 Ethiopian Jews saving them from famine ?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon
    
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    December 18, 2016 3:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Why should he make anything of it and answer your stupid questions at all?
      
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      December 18, 2016 3:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , go and visit your shrink !
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Paris tourism has lost 2 billion euro since the terrorist attacks, and businesses are being propped up by tax breaks. The migrant rubbish dumps add nothing to attracting tourists.
  
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  December 18, 2016 2:53pm
Odakyu-sen

I see what Trump is doing. He is building bridges with Russia (and apparently his wife and Putin’s lady are “best friends”) while putting the wind up the Chinese by acknowledging that the long-standing “one China” policy of the US may require a review. (The Chinese are not at all happy about this.)
I tell you, Trump’s a street-fighter with good instinct (and Putin knows it). The US and Russia are going to gang up on China (and the Chinese know it.)
(Japan knows it too, and is thinking about how it can use the situation to her advantage.)
Things are going to get interesting…
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December 18, 2016 2:05pm
- Reid
  
  Yes this was what some of my comment on the Trump Cabinet thread was saying, but the point you miss is Russia and China won’t split. The whole strategy behind the AIIB and the New Silk Road projects is to link China to Russia and from there China to the EU. That’s the new architecture of this century and the US isn’t needed and isn’t invited.
  
  Trump is definitely going to try playing off Putin against Xi that’s for sure, that’s obvious from his picks, but neither of the targets are going to be joining the US game. This leaves an obvious opening for Putin to exploit and what might he do there will be interesting to witness.
  
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  December 18, 2016 2:17pm
DifferentPerspective

Bill’s reshuffle – a jump to the left

Go to 50 secs in this clip and you can see the instructions Bill used for his re-shuffle!

As feared, National’s ‘drift’ to the Left has become a ‘lurch’ – completely ignoring the giant neon lit signals from around the world that the centre-left is NOT where the electorate want to be! A minister for children FFS? They let the Labour/Green/Becroft whiners bully them into that one!

As we’ve got an ageing population why don’t we have a Minister for Incontinence too?

I thought Bill was going demonstrate that he wasn’t just Labour Light – I guess that was just more hot air.

Dear oh dear oh dear – the election just got un-won I think. All the ‘look at me’ types who don’t do the hard yards got promoted and the ‘results’ people got warm beer.

Still with the stagnation under Key – I guess it had to get worse before it got better.
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December 18, 2016 3:34pm
- NK
  
  You expected different? He pushed his most right wing MP, Collins, down a few notches. But she’s got Revenue and Ethnic Affairs and will face Michael Wood.
  
  I bet she’s petrified.
  
  Another interesting promotion is Paul Goldsmith. I don’t know yet whether that’s good or bad for Act in Epsom. Time will tell.
  
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  December 18, 2016 3:46pm
  - Gabby
    
    She’s way more effnick than a tabletop.
    
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    December 18, 2016 4:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      But, people here were criticising Michael Wood for not being ethnic enough for that portfolio.
      
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      December 18, 2016 4:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not that I saw. I thought people were saying the Left were hypocrites for not criticising him as that is what they would do if National appointed a white male to that job.
        
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        December 18, 2016 4:10pm
  - Viking2
    
    As we’ve got an ageing population why don’t we have a Minister for Incontinence too?
    
    We have. Its Maggie Barry.
    
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    December 18, 2016 8:02pm
All_on_Red

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/12/cause-effect-muslims-impacting-west/

Interesting post on Whaleoil about Muslims outbreeding Christians. Backed up by data from Pew Research too.
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December 18, 2016 3:55pm
- Gabby
  
  If Fat Cambo suggests a retaliatory breeding campaign, look out.
  
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  December 18, 2016 5:24pm
Morrissey

Sounds like the sort of article that appeared regularly in Germany in the 1930s about Jews and other untermenschen outbreeding “Christians”, i.e., Aryans like Cameron Slater and his pals.
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December 18, 2016 3:59pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Aryans like Cameron Slater’
  Aryans? Have you see what Cameron Slater looks like?
  
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  December 18, 2016 4:12pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Wed , a bit of a blubber boy like you ?
    
    Like the one just on the left of Adolf ?
    
    http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/772000/620x/577f84ed5bda4_DS_CURVE_LEFT_.jpg
    
    [DPF: Unacceptable. Strike 2]
    
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    December 18, 2016 4:17pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Wrong AGAIN C boy. Actually looking at the photos of Whale before his boxing match, he looked pretty trim with not much blubber to be seen.
      Hey, those Pew Research figures on Muslims breeding show you up to be a liar huh
      
      Edit, oh, I see you are comparing me to a Nazi now. Oooh nasty. Might be a ban coming for you Stephie.
      
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      December 18, 2016 4:21pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , the blubber was a reference to you in my imagination .
        
        Are you suggesting 50,000 of our Muslims are going to outbreed us ?
        
        Or is it the 5% are going out breed the British ?
        
        What kind of nonsense do you base your assertions ??
        
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        December 18, 2016 5:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Read the PewResearch info Stephie boy
        You didn’t read the link did you- just started your usual smearing and moronic arguments – lol
        
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        December 18, 2016 6:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , the Pew Reserach is cited here and comes to a diiferent conclusion than Slater’s . Where did he get his and yours ?
        
        “Will Pew Muslim birth rate study finally silence the “Eurabia” claim?”
        
        “One of the most wrong-headed arguments in the debate about Muslims in Europe is the shrill“Eurabia” claim that high birth rates and immigration will make Muslims the majority on the continent within a few decades. Based on sleight-of-hand statistics, this scaremongering (as The Economist called it back in 2006) paints a picture of a triumphant Islam dominating a Europe that has lost its Christian roots and is blind to its looming cultural demise.
        
        The Egyptian-born British writer Bat Ye’or popularised the term with her 2005 book “Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis” and this argument has become the background music to much exaggerated talk about Muslims in Europe. Some examples from recent weeks can be found here, here and here…
        
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        ….But it could be difficult to find a solid statistics that gave an overall view of what was actually happening. The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has stepped up with an impressive study entitled “The Future of the Global Muslim Population” (here’s the press release, report and graphics here). As we summarised it in our report Muslim birth rate falls, slower population growth:
        
        Falling birth rates will slow the world’s Muslim population growth over the next two decades, reducing it on average from 2.2 percent a year in 1990-2010 to 1.5 percent a year from now until 2030, a new study says.
        
        Muslims will number 2.2 billion by 2030 compared to 1.6 billion in 2010, making up 26.4 percent of the world population compared to 23.4 percent now, according to estimates by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life…
        
        “The declining growth rate is due primarily to falling fertility rates in many Muslim-majority countries,” it said, noting the birth rate is falling as more Muslim women are educated, living standards rise and rural people move to cities.
        
        The proven demographic fact that birth rates have been falling among Muslim women, both in Muslim majority countries and western countries where Muslims have migrated, is not new. Nor are articles debunking the idea that Muslims will become the majority in Europe (see here and here and here). But my own experience in discussing this with non-Muslims in Europe and the United States says this message does not seem to be getting through. The fact that Muslim birth rates, while still higher than those for non-Muslims, are actually falling seems to surprise people who do not follow these issues closely…”
        
        http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:38pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your Pew Research is from 2011. Old maybe?
        If you actually bother to look at it, the graphs show clearly Cameron Slater is referencing Pew Research which shows the Muslim population increasing faster than Christians.
        Maybe you should take it up with them if you think they are wrong.
        Also your ‘reference to me in your imagination’ has got to be the most weaseley pathetic excuse I have ever heard.
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , then link it directly . Not Whale Oil !
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:59pm
      - Morrissey
        
        …he looked pretty trim with not much blubber to be seen.
        
        As far as I’m aware, they don’t slaughter grossly overweight cattlebeasts at the freezing works, but if they did, the moment of pole-axing would look pretty much like THIS….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdYgBhF9-w
        
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        December 19, 2016 8:59am
Reid

Excellent doco on Netflix called The Spy Who Went Into The Cold on Philby, for those interested.
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December 18, 2016 4:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , for about the only time you could be right . The BBC 4 movie is given an excellent review here ,
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-and-radio-reviews/10458212/The-Spy-Who-Went-Into-the-Cold-BBC-Four-review.html
  
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  December 18, 2016 5:34pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Tough crowd. Downticks for stephieboy for agreeing with Reid about a movie!
    
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    December 18, 2016 6:42pm
dad4justice

stigie can I ask you if there has been one day in 2016 that you have not made reference to myself on this blog ?
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December 18, 2016 5:14pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Tomorrow…. just to prove you wrong
  
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  December 18, 2016 5:19pm
- mikenmild
  
  That must be very reassuring, to know that you are in his thoughts.
  
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  December 18, 2016 5:29pm
  - dad4justice
    
    No mikey I find it disturbing and sad, but along with yourself it is so obvious that you both are mentally unwell. I suppose you are both incarcerated in the same asylum.
    
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    December 18, 2016 5:37pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You’re a bit out of touch D4J. We only lock up the insane these days if they are a threat to public safety. So long as the seriously mentally ill can be managed in the community they will remain out of custody and commenting on Kiwiblog.
      
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      December 18, 2016 6:36pm
tom hunter

It would appear that Trump is too lazy to …
mikenmild

Speaking of lazy and useless I see there’s yet another analysis out of how Hillary lost the election (WARNING: it’s not the “alt-right”, “fake-news”, James Comey, or Vlad the Impaler).

I more appreciated the following comments on it from right-winger commentator, Ed Morrissey:

Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential operation had the same problems — a top-down strategy that ignored advice from people who knew the voters, and a data operation built on assumptions that didn’t have a basis in reality. Hillary 2016 is practically a replay of the Romney team’s issues, in Dovere’s telling.

Hillary’s team added a level of arrogance that can only be described as remarkable, under the circumstances.

You’d think a person who’d already lost a ‘sure-thing’ election in 2008 would have learned, especially since she got to pick up the machinery of the guy who beat her and then used it to win two Presidential elections. But no….

Door knocking? Pass. Literature? Pass. Dovere relates a story about the Clinton campaign telling a potential volunteer that lawn signs and canvassing were “unscientific,” whatever that means in terms of politics. Only in the final days of the campaign did Hillary’s team put significant effort into GOTV. Thanks to that failure, they had no way to check their assumptions on polling or turnout models, and no time to adjust to fix the problems that emerged on Election Day.

Now that’s interesting, since I looked at the number of offices she had open in battleground states and the number of people working and naturally assumed it meant a powerful GOTV effort! It wasn’t and so I wonder what the hell those folks were doing?

There is one note of caution – and in a sense it relates back to the reason I placed my bet with Fentex in August 2015, that whoever won the GOP nomination would beat Hillary; that Hillary was fucking useless as a campaigner in almost every facet of the game. My bet was not so much who would win, but that she would lose, and so…

Dovere notes that Trump won Michigan while getting 30,000 fewer votes than George W. Bush did in a losing effort in 2004 (it’s closer to 35,000). Trump may not have won those “blue wall” states as much as Hillary lost them. If Trump runs for re-election in 2020 and draws a Democrat with more competence, he’ll have a tough time winning those states again unless he also learns the same lessons from the 2012 election.

Hubris and arrogance are not confined to one side of the political spectrum.
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December 18, 2016 5:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Hubris and arrogance are not confined to one side of the political spectrum.”
  
  Your correct there and as the 2012 election also keeps reminding us .
  
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  December 18, 2016 5:37pm
- mikenmild
  
  Are you rewriting the story of your bet with Fentex?
  
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  December 18, 2016 5:38pm
  - tom hunter
    
    ? I thought that was it? I can show you the original comment.
    
    Meantime I’ve made the point several times that if I’d waited until Trump was nominated I would never have made that bet, since by then I figured he’d lose despite how awful and useless Hillary was. Hence my “covering trade” with Shawn Herles!
    
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    December 18, 2016 5:40pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Yes, I thought you were omitting the rest of the story.
      Never mind – four years of angry tweets about the Chinese will keep us well entertained.
      
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      December 18, 2016 5:49pm
mikenmild

Google knows how to make money.
Search for “did the Holocaust happen” and the first result will be the neo-Nazis at Stormfront telling you it didn’t.
A Guardian journalist shows how you can get round that – if you pay Google more money:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/17/holocaust-deniers-google-search-top-spot
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December 18, 2016 5:51pm
- Reid
  
  See what you get if you type in ‘are the west behind syria’
  
  So what?
  
  Oh I get it.
  
  It’s the Holohoax.
  
  We should be nay must be concerned about that, in particular, always, whenever it comes up, always, forever and ever, Amun.
  
  Oh the Holohoax.
  
  Oh it’s being denigrated again! How awful! Will it ever, ever, ever end!!!
  
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  December 18, 2016 6:06pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Why do you care, seeing you pretend to know nothing about it?
    
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    December 18, 2016 6:09pm
    - Reid
      
      I know plenty about the Holohoax mm. I don’t know as much about the Holocaust.
      
      What do you think about the Holohoax? Do you approve of the thought-crime imprisonments for instance?
      
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      December 18, 2016 6:44pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s interesting that you should ask about that. Firstly, there is no hoax about the Holocaust.
        Secondly, even the dimwits who deny the Holocaust happened should not be imprisoned for their speech.
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:18pm
      - Reid
        
        Firstly, there is no hoax about the Holocaust.
        
        What a big silly you are mm. Of course there is. There’s a whole Holohoax industry in education and entertainment and the media just dedicated to mythologising what was, in fact, just a common or garden mass murder in the scheme of things, nothing special, not in numbers, not in intent, not in execution and not in scale of evil. There’s been hundreds of these things throughout history. All equally evil. Yet somehow the sacred Holocaust mythology aka Holohoax has become embedded in Western and only in Western minds (notice that?) as the one and only, ever in history, more tragic, wicked, devious and devilish and any other before it. Which is of course factual bollocks. Hence it’s a hoax. Hence the name I attach, mm. Do keep up, you’re rather slow, you know. The rest of the class must have really hated you when you were a little boy.
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:31pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , lets keep it simple . Did 5-6 milliom Jews die in the WW 2 Holocaust ?
        
        Yes or No ?
        
        While you at it take us throught how the word Pizza get extrapolated into a pedophle ring ?
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:44pm
      - Reid
        
        stupidboy I don’t know how many were killed, but some were. I definitely have a more accurate idea how many were killed than you do.
        
        Secondly, see last night’s GD where I posed pizza gate questions you didn’t answer, and answer them. For instance, explain why a person who makes child coffins would make a twitter comment: “murderoom” in response to a pic of an empty room posted by the pizza club’s owner. Go on, you go ahead, explain that. Floor is yours. I have lots more questions after that, but try that one first stephie. Go on, we’re waiting. No deflection no prevarication, just a direct answer, explain that. Go on. We’re waiting.
        
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        December 18, 2016 9:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , pizzagate questions which you nver posed except a couple of You Tube videos.
        
        “murder room” who said that and the context ?
        
        Which pizza club owner ? Comet Ping Pong ? A crazed asailant whent there with a gun and found nothing .He shot off a the lock on a door that he thought would lead to a pedophile dungeon and found nothing.
        
        Next series of questions ?
        
        You might like to begin here ,
        
        A Moral Panic for the age of Trump ,
        
        http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/the_comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_scandal_is_a_child_sex_ring_myth_for_the_age.html
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:09pm
Nostradamus

Dozens turn out for Free the Nipple events in Auckland, Wellington

There are 2 photos:

Photo 1: 4 pervy types taking photos.
Photo 2: Eye bleach required – we see why some of the protesters probably shouldn’t go topless in public!

I wonder if Stephieboy was at the Auckland protest? 🙂
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December 18, 2016 6:56pm
- Reid
  
  This is one cause every man should take to the streets for Nosty. Imprisoned nipples are clearly wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere anyplace anytime. I mean isn’t it obvious? Think now much more fun we could all have without this appalling calamity befouling the air of freedom and progressive happiness.
  
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  December 18, 2016 7:01pm
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    I’m just thinking, Reid, the protesters have only done half the job. If they want true freedom from oppression, then nothing less than full-frontal nudity will do!
    
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    December 18, 2016 7:08pm
    - Reid
      
      Funnily enough I was thinking along similar lines.
      
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      December 18, 2016 7:10pm
      - nasska
        
        I think Mrs Nasska has a few B&W photos of me posed in front of a D2418 Ford wearing little else other than shorts, boots & a hay apron.
        
        Would that help? 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:21pm
      - Reid
        
        It might. What were your nipples doing?
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:43pm
      - nasska
        
        Not a hell of a lot as I recall Reid. 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:51pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Free the penis?
      
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      December 18, 2016 7:18pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        This man freed his penis and was arrested for his trouble:
        
        A naked man has been arrested after attaching electrical wires to his penis and flashing his genitals to pedestrians from his car.
        
        Kurt Jenkins, 56, drove slowly through gated streets in Boynton Beach, Florida, on Monday with an electrical ‘muscle stimulator’ placed on his genitals. He gestured for a man to approach his car and pointed towards his groin before asking him to get in the passenger seat.
        
        The man declined and phoned police after photographing Jenkins sitting in the driver’s seat with his seat belt fastened, the device stuck to his penis.
        
        Clearly the unwilling passenger wasn’t a member of the penis appreciation society!
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:25pm
      - mikenmild
        
        penis appreciation society
        
        Is this some club you are touting?
        Meeting place: Hagley Park?
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:30pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        I don’t have first-hand experience but, by all accounts, they do more than just appreciate penises in Hagley Park!
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps starboard or D4J could comment.
        
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        December 18, 2016 7:51pm
      - Reid
        
        I don’t have first-hand experience but, by all accounts, they do more than just appreciate penises in Hagley Park!
        
        It doesn’t sound like mm’s much interested in anything except penises tonight Nosty. Something to note. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course. Nothing at all.
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:23pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Reid:
        
        This is mere speculation, but things might be quiet at the Quarry Inn, so Mikenmild may be reaching out to a broader (and less discerning) client base.
        
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        December 18, 2016 8:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  Nosty , did the Nipple event cause you cream your panties ?
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:02pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    No Stephieboy – I don’t whack myself off in public.
    
    And, unlike you, I’ve never commented here about observing girls who have nubile breasts and wear tight-fitting jeans. In fact, reflecting on all the years I’ve read and commented at Kiwiblog, I can’t think of any other commentator with the dubious distinction of being a bit pervy.
    
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    December 18, 2016 10:12pm
    - Manolo
      
      Wow. I was not aware of our multiculturalist’s kinky habits. A Muslim trait, maybe?
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:27pm
tom hunter

Oh noes! Obambi gives what will likely be his final press conference and Lefty journalists from MSNBC, Huffington Post and CNN are finally unhappy with him. Wah!

Krystal Ball ✔@krystalball
POTUS used this moment to lecture the press, defend his own response rather than protect country. Have never been more disappointed in him.
…
Krystal Ball ✔@krystalball
Our democracy is at stake and POTUS gives a dissertation. Muses about the books that will be written. Its unbelievable.

Au Contraire. It’s normal and standard for this dope. You just didn’t notice for eight years.
More goodness:

Nick Riccardi ✔@NickRiccardi
This sounds like someone whose entire theory of how the US + world works has largely been disproven in past 2 months

This is my shocked face.

Josh Kraushaar ✔@HotlineJosh
Obama answer on Aleppo seems to be: Because there are awful crises happening everywhere, we shouldn’t do anything at all.

Awwww, I’m sorry sweetie, but those reactions to the US not doing anything about Rwanda have now swung back all the way. Why are you surprised? You and the rest of the Western Left wanted a US President who stayed out the ME, no?

Christopher Hayes ✔@chrislhayes
It’s sort of amazing to watch Obama, ever the Institutionalist, sipping coffee in the house on fire saying “This is fine.”

Could be worse. He could have been a supposedly informed member of the MSNBC team who saw Trump and just laughed and laughed and laughed – right up to the point where the horror became real.

Zeke Miller ✔@ZekeJMiller
At this rate, Obama will still be answering questions tomorrow afternoon

Meeee…ooooowwwwww. I thought Lefties loved having an “intellectual” POTUS?

Snigger!

For me the final cracker comes from a Nobel Prize Winner:

Paul Krugman ✔@paulkrugman
I gather that Obama just wimped out, bigly. Sad!

Meeee…ooooowwwwww II! The Snark Strikes Back.

Personally I’d have preferred the old classic:

“More mush from the wimp”
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December 18, 2016 6:58pm
tom hunter

All right. Fuck it. Time to sign off for the year.

The temperature’s are finally warming (sorry, Griff).

The Christmas Tree is set – little thanks to the elder two spawn, only my youngest has gladdened my heart as he helped my beloved hang the ornaments to the sounds of Bing Crosby and the the Academy of St Martin in the Fields.

The house has been dressed in best Chicago-snow-is-falling-and-it’s-dark-lighting fashion.

The hammock awaits, the beers are cold. The books to be read:
– Orfeo and – The Question of Bruno (seriously, does my sister-in-law not read my Book Depository wishlist?. Two years. TWO YEARS – but I will try reading them)
– Debt: The First 5000 Years
– Willful Blindness (last chapter)
– The Third Coast
– Daylight Robbery (sorry Ian, he’s gone)
– Sky Walking
– The Chicago River
– Waterloo
– The 10,000 Year Explosion
– The Great Betrayal (because Japan is doing so well nowadays, Pat!)
– The Civil War: Red River to Appomatix: the remaining 2/3rds anyway – 4 fucking years it is then)

AND (or so I’m informed by my beloved’s about Christmas presents…)
– The Path to Power
– Means of Ascent.
– The Triumph of William McKinley.

So….. All that remains are a couple of YouTube shockers and a conspiracy theory that nobody (esp. conspiracy theorists) want to talk about.

On the YouTube front (courtesy of my children)
An original move trailer for Mary Poppins – recut

All I Want For Christmas – MINOR KEY! ft. Chase Holfelder
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December 18, 2016 8:37pm
- nasska
  
  If planning equates with outcome then I reckon you’re in for a great time Tom.
  
  Merry Xmas
  
  (Okay, for all you Godwhacks……Happy Holidays 🙂 )
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:47pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Still have to dump the conspiracy theory out there before I can really sign off, nasska. Maybe first thing for Monday’s GD, just to get things cooking for the rest of the day!
    
    And a happy, wool-filled Christmas to you too. I’m somehow reminded of a time when Dad sent me up one ridgeline with one mutt to gather up a few stray old biddies for the usual Spring run down the road for shearing. Job done, I found a comfortable stump to lie down on in the sun. The Old Man was both pissed off/amused when he arrived in the Land Rover a couple of hours later to find his useless 16 year old son sound alseep – with the mutt beside me in similar mode.
    
    Varsity and the indoor world of computers were a given after that.
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:57pm
Awww C-mon

Well Y’all, between other tasks today I have been doing some digging on our ole mate Mossey.

He was right, no-one in his family is guilty of hair pulling. There other skeletons in the closet…

Morrissey is as expected is not his real name, to respect DPFs rules I won’t expose that.

You might be interested to know however that his great aunt had only one sibling, a sister, that one sister had 1 child, a son who had two children… stay with me trendsetters….

A girl named Penelope and a son who used the handle Mossy on several blogs, Facebook and even twitter in 2012. Mossy however managed to get himself banned at different times from every single blog site he commented on for behaviour that can generally be described as being a cock. The daughter was a very successful activist and was almost mayor on Auckland on several occasions.

The Paternal side of the story was also interesting, 3 children all with distinct sexuality,

The father on Mossy and his sister was a disappointing rugby player who thought he was better than most, unfortunately selectors didn’t agree and that lead to two interesting outcomes, firstly both father and son became ardent critics of the game and in particular the All Blacks, Mossy has some very interesting posts if you care to search them up. Secondly they both took up blogging as a means to reach a wider audience with their thoughts, as the eldest sibling the father used that as his online name.

The middle child, our friends auntie, was somewhat successful as a politician in several parties in NZ, she currently runs a restaurant in Auckland and looks to be returning to politics in 2017.

The youngest sibling is also a blogger, an angry and bitter trans-sexual with an awful sense of humour.

Regardless of Mossy and his immature attack on JK kids this morning I won’t mention his children, however it is fair to say family history doesn’t shine brightly on them, however sometimes life throws a curve ball which can be rather humourless, so when a certain Max Key introduces a love interest which has been building quietly in the background expect her father, grand father and a few others in the family to be blogging very very unhappily!!
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December 18, 2016 8:44pm
- nasska
  
  ….”The daughter was a very successful activist and was almost mayor on Auckland on several occasions.”……
  
  Penelope…….sounds not a lot unlike “Penny”.
  
  Hey Watchdog! We’ve found your Daddy. 🙂
  
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  December 18, 2016 8:51pm
- mikenmild
  
  Stalking. How charming, in such a Kiwiblog way.
  
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  December 18, 2016 9:40pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Spoil sport, it took hours to unravel the true identities of those involved… although my super sleuth activities might be making you nervous MM?
    
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    December 18, 2016 9:45pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Sleuth away. Fill your boots.
      Drop into the Quarry Inn and we’ll chat about your obsessions.
      
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      December 18, 2016 10:00pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Drinks with MM and Don in the same week… it must be Christmas
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:09pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Awww C-mon:
        
        Mikenmild may be offering you a room. I wouldn’t necessarily assume that drinks are included in the fee!
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:13pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Though the discussion about my obsessions will be interesting, and expensive !
        
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        December 18, 2016 10:15pm
Nostradamus

Awww C-mon:

I’m fairly sure that Morrissey comments under his real name.

I’ve previously noted that Redbaiter has praised Morrissey as “one of the few left wingers who generally played with a straight bat”. On that same thread KG said: “A few more people like Morrisey around, and some dialogue between left and right might be possible”. Rare praise from two bloggers who hate lefties!

Personally, while I disagree with a lot of what Morrissey says, I think he brings a different perspective to Kiwiblog.
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December 18, 2016 9:54pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  To be fair Nostradamus, praise from redbaiter is not something I would use as an argument, redbaiter is just the force balancing Gabby. Dunno that kg chap.
  I assumed the same about Mossy, he has even linked his full ‘name’ and suburb here via letters to the editor. However my investigation showed that it was only the double paternal parenting that led to the real Mossy having the homosexual influence needed to come up with such an unfortunate handle.
  
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  December 18, 2016 10:08pm
sooty

Stephieboy, don’t you have school tomorrow. On holiday are we.
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December 18, 2016 10:23pm
cha

Who knew?.

http://victoriassecret.filminspector.com/2014/11/kimberly-guilfoyle-legal-model.html
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December 18, 2016 10:58pm
Manolo

The regrets of Obama’s venal Attorney General:
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310936-ag-lynch-says-she-regrets-tarmac-meeting-with-bill-clinton

Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Sunday that the fallout from her tarmac meeting with former President Bill Clinton was “painful” for her.

“I do regret sitting down and having a conversation with him, because it did give people concern. And as I said, my greatest concern has always been making sure that people understand that the Department of Justice works in a way that is independent and looks at everybody equally,” Lynch said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
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December 19, 2016 6:29am
Manolo

An unquenchable thirst for blood:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/18/jordanian-police-patrol-comes-under-attack-in-town-karak.html

At least four security officers and a woman visiting from Canada were killed when gunmen ambushed police and carried out a series of attacks, including at a Crusader-era castle, in central Jordan on Sunday.
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