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Steve (North Shore)

Must be still in bed
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December 11, 2016 8:14am
Happychappy

I have to say i am not a great fan of Heather do you please me but her column in the herald is a good one maybe the best she has penned for some time.It was good to see that for a change someone has shown that Andrew Little thinks he is going to be the next PM without proving he has the ability and MP’s to succeed,maybe others might give a thought to who is and has ability to reign instead of reverting back to 2002.
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December 11, 2016 8:26am
- sooty
  
  Loved how she said Key isn’t Labour’s problem. You are! Boom! boom! And she takes his feet out.
  
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  December 11, 2016 8:55am
- ross411
  
  1. Trump wins and lots of articles happen in the media about how the media is out of touch.
  2. HDA after a week publishes an article that says pretty much the same thing.
  
  1. Labour over the course of years gets worse and worse.
  2. HDA published an article noting something that’s been the case for years.
  
  Not so much a journalist who does things that matter, but rather one that just looks for bandwagons to jump on.
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, Ross411, and before the consolidation of the MSM, her vapid echoes would just have faded away when she left TV.
    
    Now the jabber transfers to the Sunday Hooerald.
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:39am
  - eandlbufe
    
    +Aint it a great time to be alive. Trump kicking ass in America, Demos whining, first elections not rigged now rigged. Obama said the same as Hill now asking CIA to look into possible hacking. Of coursing there was hacking, Wikileaks said they leaked all these files. Trump saves 1000 jobs at Carrier, union boss said this is fake because he never saved all the jobs. The hits keep coming the media keep losing. HDA keeps bowling and keeps on been hit out the park. LOVE IT. The media should employ Shane Warne to spin the for them as he was the greatest.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:28am
- Harriet
  
  “…..Andrew Little thinks he is going to be the next PM without proving he has the ability and MP’s to succeed,….”
  
  It’s like being on the dole for several years because you object to working…….and then announcing publicly that you are the most suitable person to be running Spark, or the All Blacks, or Fonterra, and that the current and capable management are woefully inadequate.
  
  How Angry is going to sell himself I have no idea, and neither does he. 😎
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:22am
  - cmm
    
    Andy’s biggest problem is that he doesn’t think and sound like a leader or PM. He thinks and sounds like very lazy opposition.
    
    Being opposition is supposed to be taken seriously, some hard work put into putting together full policies showing how a life under Labour would be better. Instead he’s just saying “not good enough, Kiwi’s deserve better” but he has not offered up any coherent policies.
    
    Sure he has offered pink unicorns like Labour opening 23 police kiosks, but has not explained enough to show that this is well thought out (eg. where the cops are coming from, how they’re funded,…).
    
    To a great extent, Auntie Helen had this problem too. She spoke like opposition even a year into her rule.
    
    If people do vote Labour it will not be because they are drawn to Labour but because they have taken a dislike to National.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:00am
    - eandlbufe
      
      Andy,s biggest problem is…….Andrew Little there is no fixing that.
      
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      December 11, 2016 10:31am
  - Viking2
    
    He still thinks that you call a meeting and when people turn up you use your heavies to ensure the vote.
    No idea of freedom to vote.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:44am
- Peter
  
  Here is the link
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/Heather-du%20Plessis-Allan/news/article.cfm?a_id=976&objectid=11763823
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:33am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Little’s experience as a leading—and highly respected—trade union negotiator and his several years of leading the Labour Party will make him more than well prepared to take over next year. Certainly his qualifications are far more impressive than if he had spent his time enriching himself by gambling on the fortunes of the New Zealand dollar.
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Hahahahahahahahahaha
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:25am
  - Manolo
    
    After that paean to Angry Andy, the writer is fully qualified to work as editorialist of North Korea’s main newspaper.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:29am
  - Swifty
    
    You need help.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:33am
  - Happychappy
    
    Was the union leader that saw the biggest loss in membership in Union history, lost the safe seat of New Plymouth twice with the vote majority increasing to National each time,has settled in a liable case once and faces a even bigger case again’st the Hagaman before the next Election and was installed leader by the Union with only four other MP’s support.Wow i would call that a Resume that most people would be ashamed of.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:35am
    - RF
      
      Happychappy. Well said sir…. that thing who is an oxygen thief is an embarrassment to what’s decent in NZ.
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:21pm
  - Viking2
    
    You are pulling pud aren’t you.
    
    Horrible little man.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:53am
  - tom hunter
    
    I don’t often give upticks or downticks but that piece of trolling by Morrissey deserved it.
    
    Got quite a few bites too! Reminded me of the departed commentator, BlazeofShite, who proudly boasted that he was looking for as many downticks as possible.
    
    Strange little people.
    
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    December 11, 2016 11:01am
    - Morrissey
      
      “BlazeofShite”. Great name!
      
      https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56529732e4b00ead8508cd52/t/579ae103d1758ed7db380a25/1469767944965/
      
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      December 11, 2016 11:28am
    - Manolo
      
      Do not underestimate Morrissey, whose number of downticks could yet surpass the infamous crim Ure’s.
      
      He appears to have lodged here after being evicted from The sub-Standard.
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:21pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Actually, Manolo, I’m currently allowed to post at the Standard. My last ban was only a week long.
        
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        December 11, 2016 12:30pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        You can? Great…
        
        Why don’t you?
        
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        December 11, 2016 1:22pm
Stars And Stripes

The old Barry/Lonergan hype machine is in overdrive now with Parker’s win last night.
Don’t buy it myself as Parker only just got home last night over an opponent who was good but no where near world class.
Been here before with all the David Tua hyperbole but as he found once you actually come up against the big boys all the stage managed stooge fights count for nothing.
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December 11, 2016 8:27am
- VicParking
  
  Just another Person who has to find fault with everything. With a name like Stars and Stripes I wonder if he has a “Not My President” sign in his window. Get a life he won and is world champ.
  
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  December 11, 2016 8:48am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Yep he won against a strong fighter who managed to keep him on the back foot and who was able to absorb punches that the passing wind from would have drop most keyboard boxers. Great fight, which Parker only dominated in parts. Ruiz said something about hometown decisions but the refs were all neutral, furthermore by any measure it was close, with the big shots probably tipping it for Parker.
    
    If there has every been a top boxer that doesn’t look the part bodywise it is Ruiz. But he was fit and fast and didn’t tire measurably toward the end as predicted. He was still right in it at round 12.
    
    There were pre-fight claims that Ruiz was faster than Parker, Bob Arum also made that point – but I think when Parker stepped it up in short, but powerful combinations, he showed his edge on speed.
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:49am
  - Swifty
    
    He is not world champ – that is the whole point.
    
    That title belongs solely to one Tyson Fury.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:34am
- G152
  
  Its the home advantage and easy beats that’s keeping him looking like he’s a winner.
  The moment they have to fight real fighters overseas watch reality hit home
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:01am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Parker has bigger names on his Pro resume than Joshua does. It seems the good old Kiwi cultural cringe is alive and well.
    
    JP did what he had to do and no more last night, keeping a potentially difficult opponent out of range to do any damage. An effective but boring strategy and certainly nothing to make the American market take notice.
    
    If I was Bob Arum, I’d be looking for much more excitement, that right hand to be used more than twice a fight and possibly a step up in class of trainer.
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:17am
    - Happychappy
      
      Surely that’s a bit rich coming from a Pom
      
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      December 11, 2016 9:31am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Maybe stick with the trainer and team up with Martin Pugh instead of Duco. Get that Barry/Pugh combo back together.
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:16pm
- doggone7
  
  It’s just business. The main point is to make money. To help do that you groom, and wheedle, whatever it takes to get media coverage.
  
  Barry has done that twice to very good affect. Hype master. There’s probably a belt for that too.
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:41am
Longknives

Parker joins such legendary WBO Champions as Herbie Bide, Henry Akinwande and Sultan Ibrigamov!
WBO is a bloody joke- Something the gushing NZ Media who are breathlessly declaring Parker ‘The New Ali’ are seemingly unaware of..
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December 11, 2016 8:38am
- mikenmild
  
  Who has called him the ‘New Ali’?
  
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  December 11, 2016 8:40am
- holysheet
  
  if those are “legendary” names, how come I’ve never heard of them. For someone to be “legendary” shouldn’t they be household names like Colin Meads, Ali, Tyson, McCaw, Bloomfield etc.
  
  Mrs Holy prefers Bam Bam Rubble, when I asked her to name a “Legendary” fighter.
  
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  December 11, 2016 8:52am
fernglas

Who is this Parker person? I looked carefully in the New York Times and the Independent and could find no mention of him, although the Independent was talking about a world heavyweight championship bout between someone called Joshua and another, which appears to be taking place around now.
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December 11, 2016 8:45am
- VicParking
  
  Headlines in the BBC where Joshua comes from,
  Where is New York never heard of it.
  
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  December 11, 2016 8:50am
jcuk

Listening to National radio this morning I was struck by the irony that the English grew drugs in India to pay for tea from China and now China is getting its own back in supplying drugs to the English.
[Illicit highs etc]
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December 11, 2016 8:49am
- fernglas
  
  Not just the English; have you seen the amount of Chinese origin meth that gets caught coming across the border here? Then multiply that amount by 10 and you will have what Customs estimates gets in. Add to that the quantity of pseudoephedrine seized, multiply that by 10 and the halve the result to show how much meth is being manufactured here. There is a very big problem that is just being ignored. The social consequences for all parts of the community are staggering but Police resourcing is being taken from investigating this sort of crime so they can make token calls on burglary victims and man booze buses.
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:03am
  - marcw
    
    So have you ever been burgled Fernglans? I have, twice, and I was pretty pleased that the Police did turn up (eventually), checked for any possible clues of previous modus operandi, and gave some sensible advice to help prevent it happening again. The first part of your comment is true and needs to be acknowledged, but you spoil your observations with a silly comment about how burglary is creating ‘token’ victims.
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:12am
    - Harriet
      
      Exactly. Ice addicts create demand for burglaries and other dishonesty offences…..catch them…..and then investigate where they get their local drugs from. Drug addicts would be silly enough to leave finger prints or be seen in the local neighbourhood etc.
      
      Using police resources is fine to put away the ‘Mr Bigs’ but they get replaced by the opposition, while lower order dealers and drug addicts, and their kids, don’t then come before the courts and govt services. All people dealing and using ice should go before the courts.
      
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      December 11, 2016 9:30am
    - fernglas
      
      I didn’t say token victims, I said token calls. The clear-up rate on investigated burglaries is minimal and I think the cops would be better off using the resources to fix the meth problem which is at the root of so many of them. Sure, those calls from Police provide some degree of reassurance but they play very little part in preventing the second burglary, as you know from bitter experience.
      
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      December 11, 2016 9:35am
      - Harriet
        
        The law without punishment is mere opinion.
        
        Advocate for burglary somewhere else Fernglas. 😎
        
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        December 11, 2016 10:03am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The Meth problem can’t be fixed because users are self destructive fuckwits who will always find a way and where there is demand there will always be a supply.
        
        Government legalising and selling it (allow use only at clinics, and death penalty or 10+ years for possession off-site) and providing cheaper less damaging alternatives is only economic way to manage it. Though would need to strip user access to public health care. Would remove the driver for vast amount of theft/burglary and take most of gang income away. Probably save 10’s of billions in long term.
        
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        December 11, 2016 1:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    Griff and co have been declaring the war on drugs a failure.
    
    What is their position on the flood of Chinese meth pouring into NZ?
    
    In their view, is the choice just open slather or a Kiwi Rodrigo Duterte?
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:44am
    - Griff
      
      in their view, is the choice just open slather or a Kiwi Rodrigo Duterte?
      
      Extrajudicial killings or open slather ?
      Have you been drinking again jacky.
      Many years ago we had a drug called speed .
      It was reasonably common and caused some harm.
      Prohibition well documented effects morphed it into a stronger form . Just as Prohibition resulted in the rise of moonshine to replace the beer and wine common before.
      P Meth or whatever the current name for it is a destructive drug that destroys many who use or deal in it . But if we did successfully shut down all production and sales in this country the black market would just find something else to push .
      Wouldn’t it be better if we allowed the production of less harmful alternatives within a legal market and closed down the black markets and networks .
      
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      December 11, 2016 10:21am
      - Jack5
        
        Griff:
        
        Am I right in concluding your view is that if cannabis and other “less harmful alternatives” were legalised the demand for meth would die?
        
        What are the other “less harmful alternatives”?
        
        How would you respond to someone who suggested that once-legal drugs like opium and heroin were made illegal because they had become problems?
        
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        December 11, 2016 12:36pm
      - Griff
        
        Jack up your game mate
        I dont live in a world of absolutes I live in one with a rich tapestry of possibility .
        
        Effectively
        Meth is a concentrated form of speed.
        Heroin is a concentrated form of opium.
        Sprites are a concentrated form of beer .
        Hash is a concentrated form of cannabis.
        
        The economics of prohibition effectively turn users onto stronger forms of the drugs they use. This results in escalating harm to the users not less.
        
        You can not stop human nature no matter how you try
        Prohibition does not work it has failed whenever tried to minimize the harm from intoxicants.
        Even the harsh action of Rodrigo Duterte will not stop illegal drugs instead it is effectively destroying the fabric of their society . They have lost the checks and balances that allow modem society to function in an effort to stamp out drugs . Sooner or later the Philippians will pay a horrific price in lawlessness as a result of the loss of a functioning justice system.
        
        Drug abuse is a health problem not one of justice.
        In those places were prohibition has been abandoned the harm from drugs has reduced.
        In those were Prohibition has been escalated the harm is multiplied .
        
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        December 11, 2016 1:07pm
  - Happychappy
    
    fernglas/and a lot of burglary’s are being commited by minors and because of all the do gooders wanting to find different ways to deal with crime instead of incarceration, youth commiting crime are just slapped with a wet bus ticket.
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:53am
    - fernglas
      
      I agree, and I agree also that where possible, burglars should be slammed; the level of tolerance within the judiciary for burglars constantly astonishes me. But in the absence of infinite resources, those that are available need to be aimed at the root causes. Some of the root causes of burglary can be found in societal reasons, and there are resources being put into that, whether rightly or wrongly is a matter of opinion. But what this society underestimates, in my view, is the extent to which organised crime is a root cause of social ills. Burglary is a classic illustration; whatever the burglar’s motive may be, if you go up the tree through his handlers and the receivers of property to see where the money ultimately goes , it is to organised crime. New Zealand has gone too soft on organised crime because a large number of the criminal organisations are ethnic gangs and the political implications carry too much risk. This country is a soft option for organised crime because the Police and politicians are too busy appeasing interest groups in the way they allocate resources. There are really only two paths; increase Police resourcing so everything can be policed, or target the resources at the causes of crime. Unfortunately, the latter path requires judgment calls which at present are being made by politically interested people, and I include the Police among them.
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:01pm
Griff

~~WBO~~ boxing is a bloody joke-
World title ?
There are four separate titles .
Means there are four opportunity’s to fleece punters .
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December 11, 2016 8:51am
flipper

The English v Collins (demolition) and the Bennett v Bridges (love in) bouts have been cancelled by the promoters without reference to the ticket buying/paying, viewing and voting public.

We wuuuus robbbbed. We demand a re-match.
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December 11, 2016 9:04am
- sooty
  
  BBBuuutttttt iitttt wwwaaasss aaa wwwwuuummiiinnss turn.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:41pm
VicParking

At least with National the MP’s get a chance to vote on the leader.
With Labour you just get whoever the Unions throw at you. With NZ first it never changes as the leader is an liquor emblamed ancestor and the Greens only allow Transgender, unsex, vegan, cycling candidates to stand.
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December 11, 2016 9:28am
- Harriet
  
  “…..With Labour you just get whoever the Unions throw at you….”
  
  All that’s really left is the public service unions……that means more socialism being promoted. National won’t stop them promoting socialism but just minimise the cost —- no sugar tax for example —- but look at the increase in the overall ‘obesity prevention budget’ !
  
  Honestly Billy. 😎
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:43am
  - Morrissey
    
    We thank you for your refusal to consider a sugar tax….
    
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6f/3c/1f/6f3c1ffc67aa961677303e9d96ce41ab.jpg
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:19pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      That isn’t a sugar problem, that is a child abuse issue.
      
      You see kids with teeth like that and the parents should be in the docks… useless useless useless
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:28pm
      - Morrissey
        
        No, the companies pushing worthless sugar drinks on the public and the authorities that refuse to regulate or control them should be in the dock.
        
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        December 12, 2016 9:03am
duggledog

Fernglas

New Zealand doesn’t have a justice system.

It has a legal system.
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December 11, 2016 9:49am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  NZ jails can`t be that bad ,there is a waiting list to get on the waiting list to get into them.
  Of course the usual bleeding heart suspects would argue that it is a heartless govts fault,nothing to do with personal responsibility and a low moral character or a lack of intelligence.
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:55am
Richard

Should Judith stay? Is their any point in her being there anymore?
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December 11, 2016 9:50am
- Viking2
  
  No, time she went along with Smith and McCully.
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:00am
Morrissey

Great Moments in Broadcasting. NOT.
No. 5: Chris Trotter puts on a “funny” South American accent
The Panel, Radio NZ National, Friday 14 June 2013
Jim Mora, Lisa Scott, Chris Trotter, Susan Baldacci

SUSAN BALDACCI: Julian Assange is a little bit paranoid.

JIM MORA: Oh yes? Hur, hur, hur, hur!

SUSAN BALDACCI: Yeah, he claims that being holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy, he is deprived of his human right of getting enough sun.

MORA: Is it a human right to get enough sun?

SUSAN BALDACCI: That’s what he claims! He claims that being not allowed to leave London is violating his “human rights”.

MORA: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

CHRIS TROTTER: Haw haw haw haw haw!

SUSAN BALDACCI: He thinks he should be allowed out of his Ecuador embassy hideout to sunbathe.

MORA: He can get out on the balcony, where he gave that speech!

LISA SCOTT: Yeah! Ha ha ha ha ha!

CHRIS TROTTER: Yeah! Ha ha ha ha ha! Or get him a sun lamp! THAT’s what he needs!

LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha!

SUSAN BALDACCI: He he he he he!

CHRIS TROTTER: I suspect the ambassador’s just sick of the sight of him! [affecting a high-pitched mock South American accent] “Are you ever going to LEEEEAAAVE?”

MORA: Sun lamp! Get him a sun lamp!!!

LISA SCOTT: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MORA: Back after the news!

…….

Read the whole thing HERE, if you can bear it…..
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14062013/#comment-648511

Great Moments in Broadcasting. NOT is an occasional series highlighting some of the worst moments in our pretty shameful history of broadcasting mediocrity and downright failure.
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December 11, 2016 9:52am
- Jack5
  
  Morrissey, did Parliamentary Services turn you down for a job with Hansard?
  
  What is the purpose of your samples here of your transcripts of Gentleman Jim Mora’s Panel on Labour Radio? And why this pointing to the Standard imitation blog?
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:14am
  - Morrissey
    
    I’ve explained all of this before, Jack. But since you ask so politely, I’ll do it again.
    
    We are ill served by our media. Sadly, the flagship of all of our media, Radio New Zealand, has in the last decade or so been steadily transforming itself into a version of idiotic chat radio outlets such as NewstalkZB. It has even imported commentators who unleash some of the same extreme and foolish rhetoric that is routine on the commercial cesspits: people like Michael Bassett, Barry Corbett, Graham Bell, Denise L’Estrange-Corbet and Christine (Spankin’) Rankin.
    
    Consistently the worst offender is Jim Mora, whose program is an outlet for some of the most vile and cowardly rhetoric imaginable—illustrated by the example above, with Trotter’s vicious “humour” and Lisa Scott’s braindead simpering.
    
    I decided that this crap should not just disappear into the ether, because it is all-pervasive, and the views of these unqualified, poorly informed radio warriors are amplified both by their colleagues and, even more worryingly, by newspaper opinion writers and uncritical teachers.
    
    My concern is not just with RNZ National but with NewstalkZB, the equally dire RadioLive, television and the print media.
    
    Keep your eyes peeled, my friend!
    
    The occasional links to The Standard are due to the fact that many of these transcripts first appeared there—in between my lengthy spells of being banned.
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:32am
  - Morrissey
    
    JACK5: Morrissey, did Parliamentary Services turn you down for a job with Hansard?
    
    MORRISSEY BREEN: Yes they did, after the Clerk of the House found me in the Speaker’s Chair with a stenographer.
    
    http://www.troll.me/images/yao-ming/it-was-totally-worth-it.jpg
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:11pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Thanks morrie. You promised another ripper and delivered exactly what I expected.
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:15am
  - Morrissey
    
    My pleasure, Leonard. Keep your eyes peeled for an upcoming Kerre ohoWmad transcript.
    
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    December 11, 2016 11:29am
    - pentwig
      
      Good grief!!
      Morrissey,you are promoting a traitor, rapist and coward.
      Assange could not even be called a human.
      It is the lowest form of life a person could aspire to.
      Shows your calibre as a human though.
      
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      December 11, 2016 7:40pm
RF

Obama will be scrambling to update his legacy now that ISIS is about to retake the historic city of Palmyra. The Russians had booted them out 9 months ago and now they are back.

Govt troops are retreating as ISIS are advancing after they retook some areas of Mosul.

Just recently Obama was trumpeting that ISIS were finished.
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December 11, 2016 9:54am
- Morrissey
  
  The United States has effectively given ISIS its full diplomatic support in Syria since 2011.
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    Morrissey, B S !
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:36pm
    - Morrissey
      
      That’s not an intelligent or reasonable response, stephie.
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:20pm
- Fletch
  
  I notice Obama has also started using the term “core Al Qaeda” in order to spin.
  
  “By any measure, core al Qaeda—the organization that hit us on 9/11—is a shadow of its former self.” – POTUS.
  
  http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/12/06/president-obama-says-core-al-qaeda-shadow-of-former-self/
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:30pm
  - Manolo
    
    Is the piss-weak Obama waking up? One has to laugh at his audacity.
    
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    December 11, 2016 1:22pm
Scorpion

It Appears the National Party John Key have been
giving tax payer money to the Criminal Organisation
called the Clinton Foundation

http://www.wcpo.com/longform/exclusive-clinton-charities-ignore-law-requiring-them-to-disclose-millions-from-foreign-donors

Fascinating
What have these people been up to

Quote from Article

Both the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Health Access Initiative do voluntarily provide on their web sites general disclosures about all donors, including governments. For instance, CHAI notes that Ireland and New Zealand gave somewhere between $5 million and $10 million at some time since CHAI began filing separately from the Clinton Foundation in 2010. It received $25 million or more from Norway, Australia and the United Kingdom.

The Clinton Foundation on its website offers similar broad ranges of donations over the “lifetime” of the foundation that give no window into when or how often the money rolled in, and in what amounts.

The Clinton charities do not reveal on their websites if donations from governments came all at once, in multiple contributions over time, during Clinton’s time as secretary of state or after. They also do not provide a window into how much money might have rolled in during specific years the governments could have had business before the secretary of state.

“The law requires foreign donors to be disclosed and the [New York] attorney general, the [New York] attorney general’s office is permitting them to go undisclosed,” Wonderlich said. “Voters deserve to have a full picture of what Secretary Clinton, and the Clintons together have created, and all the ways that that might be entangled in a presidency.”

I suppose we could just ask what do they call him
“Blow Job Bill”
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December 11, 2016 10:07am
- Reid
  
  How do you think they got the Pharmac provisions through the TPP?
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:22am
- Griff
  
  Did you get not the memo?
  Since Trump has been elected the lies over the Clinton foundation are no longer supported .
  According to your supreme orangutan there is not going to be an effort to prosecute Clinton because there is nothing to prosecute.
  Reminds me just a little of WMD that suddenly evaporated once the bullshit had done its work.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:15pm
- Twinkletoes
  
  Our donation of seven millon just about covered the eight million from the Foundation which was used to pay for Chelsea’s nuptials.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:46pm
- holysheet
  
  the NZ govt “donation” was what it cost us to get Killarys and Obummas support for our security council seat at the UN.
  
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  December 11, 2016 2:02pm
Manolo

Violence in Istambul:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspected-car-bomb-wounds-around-20-outside-istanbul-200501063–sow.html

A suspected car bomb outside a soccer stadium in central Istanbul wounded around 20 people on Saturday hours after the end of a match between two of Turkey’s top teams, in what appeared to be an attack targeting riot police.
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December 11, 2016 10:08am
Reid

Here’s a backgrounder on the Purple Revolution for those interested.

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=56307
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December 11, 2016 10:21am
- EAD
  
  Interesting read Reid, thanks for sharing.
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:29am
  - Reid
    
    No worries EAD.
    
    I know you know this but for others who may not, just bear in mind that when he mentions: “The Soros-Clinton-Obama Crowd Will Not Stand Down” that we’re also talking about the Bush cabal because they’re all together with those others. And with them also come the neocons. Although the neocons are chameleon parasites who will attach themselves to whatever host is convenient.
    
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    December 11, 2016 11:08am
- RF
  
  Is that George Soros who has Nazi connections ?
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:41am
  - Reid
    
    Does he? I don’t know. What’s your evidence?
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  Crude alt tight Propaganda that even Joesph Goebells would envy !
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:38pm
Dave Mann

Hey man, those bad guys must be really crapping themselves now that the good ol’ boys from the USA are a-coming to get ’em!

MANAMA, Bahrain – The United States is sending 200 additional troops to Syria, nearly doubling the Pentagon’s presence there, to help thousands of Kurdish and Arab fighters massing for an assault on the Islamic State’s stronghold of Raqqa, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said here on Saturday. Source: New York Times

Is this a joke? Syria is Hell on earth with everybody over 10 trying to kill everybody else over 10 and the Russians are bombing the fuck out of everything that moves….. and the yanks think that 400 troops are going to make a difference. Idiots. They should either get in properly or stay out and stop wanking.
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December 11, 2016 10:28am
- Manolo
  
  Don’t you dare to criticise this excellent initiative from the Obama admistration.
  
  Not in vain the Messiah, a historic figure, won the Nobel Peace Prize.
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:50am
- Reid
  
  If you want the plan Dave, it’s here:
  
  http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/regime-change-by-takifirs-fails-lobbyists-call-for-us-occupation-of-upper-mesopotamia.html#more
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:02am
Captain Mainwaring

Bought an SST this morning to see if it had improved since I gave up on it about a year ago.
It hasn’t, it’s got worse, and it’s now $3.50.
But it will be useful for wrapping up food scraps.
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December 11, 2016 10:45am
- Reid
  
  Why would you have thought any different? It’s amazing. You’ve got this captive audience, massive, through the whole country, who want nothing better than to buy a big, interesting PAPER and sit somewhere and read for an hour or so, every Sunday. And this is what the morons deliver us, Sunday after missed opportunity Sunday after Sunday and they’re getting worse. I mean it’s the only time in the week when paper would be superior to online and the profound morons completely miss it, depriving all of us of a great tradition and themselves of a great deal of money.
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:13am
- VicParking
  
  You should be composting you food scrapa and growing organic vegtables for the poor. Use your SST to wipe your arse, its to not good enough for food scraps
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Vic.
    You can’t compost chicken bones. And we do grow organic vegetables for the poor (us).
    Also, not sure if newspaper is good for the sewerage system.
    Otherwise, you make good points.
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:59pm
Inandout

Good to see Harrods and Selfridges now mention the word ‘Christmas’ in their advertising.

http://www.harrods.com/christmas?icid=megamenu_XMAS
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December 11, 2016 10:47am
tom hunter

Talking about being ill-served by the media…Critics of Islam on Trial in Europe: Wilders Convicted. Wilders is merely the latest. The article has a long list, although this one is of particular interest:

A grotesque new legal front was just opened in Paris. The French philosopher Pascal Bruckner began his trial, where he opened his defense with a quotation from Jean-Paul Sartre: “The guns are loaded with words”. Bruckner, one of the most famous essayists of France, is on trial for having spoken out against the “collaborators of Charlie Hebdo’s assassins”.

“I will say the names: The organizations ‘The Indivisibles’ of Rokhaya Diallo and ‘The Indigenous of the Republic’, the rapper Nekfeu who wanted ‘a bonfire for those dogs’ (Charlie Hebdo), all those who have justified with ideology the death of the twelve journalists”.

Countless witnesses testified in defense of Bruckner: the editor of Charlie Hebdo, “Riss”; the political scientist Laurent Bouvet; the former president of “Neither Whores nor Submissives,” Sihem Habchi; and the philosopher, Luc Ferry. Bruckner used the term “collaborator” for “those newspapers which justified the liquidation of the Résistance and the Jews” during the Second World War. Sihem Habchi spoke of the danger of a “green fascism”, Islamism.

Bruckner’s verdict will be announced on January 17.

It’s a massive indictment of the French and European MSM that they’re collaborating with the European state on this. The article points out the following:

It is fundamental that these writers and journalists are acquitted. But the goal of these trials is not to find the truth; it is to intimidate the public and to restrict freedom of expression on Islam. These are purges to “re-educate” them. Sadly, as we see from the Wilders trial, they have often been succeeding.
…
The Red Brigades, the Communist terror group which devastated Italy in the 1970s, coined a slogan: “Strike one to educate one hundred.” If you target one, you get collective intimidation. This is exactly the effect of these political trials about Islam. The debate is rapidly closing.

Well – until the next elections anyway.

Strike one to educate one hundred.
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December 11, 2016 10:47am
- stephieboy
  
  tom hunters, come on the Geert Wilders hate speech trial is given full coverage here in MSM Independent ,
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-anti-islam-geert-wilders-trial-hate-speech-a7465021.html
  
  “It’s a massive indictment of the French and European MSM that they’re collaborating with the European state on this. The article points out the following:’
  
  Utter Bollox !!!
  
  Geert Wolders is a Politician no different in may ways to someone like John Ansell or David Garrett !
  
  More coverage here of his hate speech trial in MSM Guardian,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/09/geert-wilders-found-guilty-in-hate-speech-trial-but-no-sentence-imposed
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:55am
  - GoVege
    
    OMG!
    And the irony is, Wilders and other political leaders against the islamification of Europe need permanent armed bodyguards to protect them from assassination.
    Not only is free speech in danger, the very lives of those who speak out are.
    
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    December 11, 2016 1:43pm
- Reid
  
  Aren’t sheeple stupid for not speaking out for a decade or more while people have been tried and imprisoned for this precise same “crime” about another subject, yet when this subject comes up, for some reason, this time they immediately see the injustice and can’t wait to voice their displeasure.
  
  I mean what a bunch of fucked-in-the-head idiot moronic stupid ignorant fools the silly ole Western sheeple are, for falling for that one.
  
  Duh, as stupidboy would say, but as we know he’s always wrong, whereas what I just said above is precisely indubitably the inarguable case, isn’t it.
  
  “If you don’t believe in freedom of expression for people you despise, you don’t believe in it at all.”
  
  So will sheeple finally but fucking finally be consistent from now on? Of course not, that’s why they’re sheeple. Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooopid.
  
  Actually sheeple, the reason you don’t see it is your Holohoax propaganda, and way you can stop being stoooooopid if you want to, is to see it for what it is. This doesn’t mean the event didn’t happen, it means internalising that the event isn’t special, it’s not sacred, it doesn’t have any special meaning beyond any other like event many of which have happened. That’s how you can stop being stooooopid.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:06pm
  - EAD
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/youre-holocaust-denier.html?m=0
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:20pm
    - Reid
      
      I don’t really know what happened in the Holohoax EAD. I’ve never studied it. I’ve studied WWII a lot and I daresay I know more about the camps than most on the street, but I’ve never drilled into Irving et al’s claims, since I’m just not interested.
      
      One of my interests however is propaganda and I recognise a meme when I see it and the Holohoax is my label for that meme, not the event, the propaganda phenomena that is in place around it.
      
      Propaganda is emotional. They generate emotion and they anchor it to a fact which becomes a concept. The reason people didn’t decry Holohoax “deniers” going to prison is the sympathy anchored to the facts they’d been told about it prevented them from seeing sympathy for the accused. But in the Islamic case they have not had decades of programming, in the education system, through movies, TV, documentaries, plays, all of that. So they instantly see what is happening, without the emotional fog induced by propaganda programming.
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:36pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid, meme , propaganda or what did the murder of c 6 million Jews happen ?
        
        Yes or No ?
        
        Out with it !
        
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        December 11, 2016 12:41pm
      - Reid
        
        Something happened stupidboy, that’s for sure. As I’ve just explained above and unsurprised you missed it, I’m not interested in precisely what it was, so I really have nothing interesting to say about it. If you want to discuss it, in other words, ask someone else.
        
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        December 11, 2016 12:44pm
    - Scorpion
      
      How the Irish Became White
      
      Free to Read
      http://jroan.com/HtIBWhite.pdf
      
      The Sequel is going to be…
      How the Irish Became African
      
      Because as they force their own people to leave again – that is who they are importing in the greatest numbers.
      
      Strange how he left this out of his book
      I mean it did herald about 700 odd years of misery.
      
      This is not posted to be anti semitic by the way
      it is just a fact.
      
      http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5764-england
      
      Strongbow’s conquest of Ireland (1170) was financed by Josce, a Jew of Gloucester; and the king accordingly fined Josce for having lent money to those under his displeasure.
      
      The Irish have been through their own
      “Holocaust”
      http://www.irishholocaust.org/
      
      Most of the History of Ireland are attempts
      to eradicate christianity and enslave and genocide
      the population it has been going on since the Viking Wars in one form or another and it is
      continual.
      
      Eamon De valera
      visited NZ
      
      His reply to Churchill as to why Irish Remained Neutral – though many fought on what side
      their conscience decided.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgPpG8pO8U
      
      Mr. Churchill is proud of Britain’s stand alone, after France had fallen and before America entered the War.
      
      Could he not find in his heart the generosity to acknowledge that there is a small nation that
      
      stood alone not for one year or two, but for several hundred years against aggression;
      
      that endured spoliation’s, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?
      
      Mr. Churchill is justly proud of his nation’s perseverance against heavy odds. But we in this island are still prouder of our people’s perseverance for freedom through all the centuries. We, of our time, have played our part in the perseverance, and we have pledged our selves to the dead generations who have preserved intact for us this glorious heritage, that we, too, will strive to be faithful to the end, and pass on this tradition unblemished.
      
      >
      Ireland had only been united twice in its History
      once to defeat the pagan norse. Which freed and weakened the Country to allow the Norman Conquest.
      
      The other for the Good Friday Peace Agreement.
      
      After all of that they have been sold into debt
      slavery of the EU.
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:59pm
    - Scorpion
      
      How the Irish Became White
      
      Free to Read
      http://jroan.com/HtIBWhite.pdf
      
      The Sequel is going to be…?
      How the Irish Became African?
      
      Because as they force their own people to leave again – that is who they are importing in the greatest numbers.
      
      Strange how he left this out of his book
      I mean it did herald about 700 odd years of misery.
      
      This is not posted to be anti semitic by the way
      it is just a fact. You would think that the Author
      of “How the Irish became white”
      being a jewish american and a communist would know this and include this?
      
      http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5764-england
      
      Strongbow’s conquest of Ireland (1170) was financed by Josce, a Jew of Gloucester; and the king accordingly fined Josce for having lent money to those under his displeasure.
      
      The Irish have been through their own
      “Holocaust”(s)
      http://www.irishholocaust.org/
      
      Most of the History of Ireland are attempts
      to eradicate christianity and enslave and genocide
      the population it has been going on since the Viking Wars in one form or another and it is
      continual.
      
      Eamon De valera
      visited NZ
      
      His reply to Churchill as to why Irish Remained Neutral – though many fought on what side
      their conscience decided.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgPpG8pO8U
      
      Mr. Churchill is proud of Britain’s stand alone, after France had fallen and before America entered the War.
      
      Could he not find in his heart the generosity to acknowledge that there is a small nation that
      
      stood alone not for one year or two, but for several hundred years against aggression;
      
      that endured spoliation’s, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?
      
      Mr. Churchill is justly proud of his nation’s perseverance against heavy odds. But we in this island are still prouder of our people’s perseverance for freedom through all the centuries. We, of our time, have played our part in the perseverance, and we have pledged our selves to the dead generations who have preserved intact for us this glorious heritage, that we, too, will strive to be faithful to the end, and pass on this tradition unblemished.
      
      >
      Ireland had only been united twice in its History
      once to defeat the pagan norse. Which freed and weakened the Country to allow the Norman Conquest.
      
      The other for the Good Friday Peace Agreement.
      
      After all of that they have been sold into debt
      slavery of the EU.
      
      The Irish have always had white privilege
      of being involved in endless wars not started by them. Never getting a county a real vote and of course being the white slaves of the empire.
      
      Not any more and Never again.
      
      They did produce NZ’s best Prime Minister to date.
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Scorpion , not sure the point your making but the Jews might be said to have paid for one of their kind’s alleged perfidy over Ireland with the Edict of Expulsion 1290 by Edward I ?
        
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        December 11, 2016 1:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        Scorpion, who do you mean by this about the Irish?
        
        They did produce NZ’s best Prime Minister to date.
        
        Massey? Ward? Muldoon? Bolger? English?
        
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        December 11, 2016 1:40pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Is English Irish?
        
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        December 11, 2016 1:52pm
      - Scorpion
        
        not sure the point your making?
        
        I am just have a discussion about the Book…
        
        “How the Irish Became White”
        
        it needs further discussion before the sequel
        “How the Irish became African”
        or
        How the Irish Became Asian”
        or will it be
        How the Irish became African American?
        who knows for sure to be sure.
        
        written by
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev
        His catch cry is
        
        “treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity”
        
        Many people assume irelands neutrality was anti semetic – they had just finished a civil war where a better leader than De Ve Lera had died they sure as hell could hardly help them selves let alone save the jews or anyone else in Europe or the whole of Europe but they are given the guilt trip on this after 700 years of misery.
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092138/Irish-minister-admits-time-Jews-fleeing-Nazis-denied-visas-1930s-morally-bankrupt-regime.html
        
        What I am Saying and you will no doubt be glad to hear being the most virulent anti white anti christian posters on kiwi bog
        
        is this
        
        Forget those as my Polynesians Neighbours in Auckland call me “I come over your hedge and fark you up you White B a stard”
        
        Massey? Ward? Muldoon? Bolger? English? don’t forget Michael Joseph Savage
        
        The Next PM NZ gets out of Ireland (or Irish extraction) and you will be glad to hear, may not be white, may not even be christian.
        
        That is if they keep apologising for becoming white and keep paying their whiteness reparations to the eu apologising to the jews about their holocaust etc etc despite having little or nothing to do with it?
        
        You might get someone as good as what is his name again?
        
        Barry Soweto Mugabe who was that guy recently in charge of the USA? Barrack What’s his name Obama
        
        or
        Paul Kagame
        
        maybe you will get some one like
        
        Idi Amin Dada
        
        Charles Taylor
        
        don’t worry the best is yet to come
        
        But hey they may all be too busy celebrating
        Africa Day in Dublin
        
        http://africaday.ie/
        
        To be Sure
        
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        December 11, 2016 11:37pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
How contracting can breed corruption.

Obvious lessons from the Auckland Transport bribery and corruption case?

How can you have transparency or accountability without full and accurate written records available for public scrutiny?

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11763963

“Claims the relationship between Noone and Projenz was informal and verbal-only during the seven-year duration of the relationship – explaining the total lack of documentation – “defies common sense,” Justice Fitzgerald said.
….”

Surely it also defies the statutory obligations arising from s.17 of the Public Records Act 2005?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

17.Requirement to create and maintain records

(1) Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

_________________________

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog / WHISTLE-BLOWER’.
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December 11, 2016 11:09am
- Random T Person
  
  You left off hypocritical idiot on your ambitious list of descriptors.
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:20am
- PhilP
  
  ALERT ALERT “Penny to win Helensville next year now that John Key is to stand down” Bwahahaha.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:11pm
  - Manolo
    
    Will the fat and generous German mecenas offer his financial help (again)?
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:16pm
    - publicwatchdog
      
      Like to spell out the name of the person to whom you are referring, plus put your real name to your post Manolo?
      
      Penny Bright
      
      ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:35pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00HZpF0kHVI
  
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  December 11, 2016 1:35pm
- publicwatchdog
  
  Gosh – a lot of private contractors / consultants on Kiwiblog – perchance?
  
  Just wondering …..
  
  Kind regards
  
  Penny Bright
  
  ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
  
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  December 11, 2016 1:38pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Oh Penny is responding!
    
    Penny leading up to the mayoral campaign you had a ‘close friend’ suggest on your personal Facebook to a third party that instead of a give a little funding for the campaign that donations were better made privately.
    
    Now the campaign is over are you prepared to ‘open the books’ on your campaign and it’s funding?
    
    Ya know, to be consistent to your ideals and such…
    
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    December 11, 2016 2:30pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Would one appoint one so knowledgeable to an “anti corruption public watch dog”?
    
    A secretary. All meetings, motions attendees are recorded? Only now purported claims for expenses.
    An appointed auditor. Is that corruption?, a conflict of interest.?
    Money is gone, follow the money to a most corrupt individual !
    Cleaned out bank account for purported claim of expenses? Where are the recorded and passed minutes?
    
    In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory.
    https://occupysavvy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/
    
    “as if it walks like a duck then….”, “Presume nothing – check everything” ?. with the screeeeching of an angle grinder.
    Open your books please
    with the kindest of regards
    
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    December 11, 2016 2:31pm
  - stigie
    
    Penny:- When you employ a contractor around to your place in Kingsland to clean up the rabid cat stench from your hovel, will you be asking him to open his books for your viewing in case of corruption…?
    
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    December 11, 2016 3:36pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
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  December 11, 2016 6:19pm
Reid

As I keep telling you.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/democrat-congresswoman-says-us-is-directly-funding-isis-al-qaeda/
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December 11, 2016 11:25am
- jms
  
  Assad loves ISIS. He’s barely touched them in years, with the exception of Palmyra. And now he can’t even be bothered defending that. Other priorities eh?
  
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  December 11, 2016 11:33am
  - Reid
    
    Sorry ams, you’re not from around here are you.
    
    Are you a Zeta Reticullon or where do you hail from, originally?
    
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    December 11, 2016 11:57am
    - jms
      
      Since you haven’t made it clear, I assume “around here” refers to the RT/Sputnik parallel universe.
      In which case you’d be right, I’m not from there.
      I’m originally from planet Earth, and still live in the real world.
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:11pm
      - Reid
        
        jms, if you think it’s propaganda that Assad has been fighting, not helping ISIS, then not much can help.
        
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        December 11, 2016 12:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , like the US 1,700 Falcon paratroop brigade deployed near Mosul aginst ISIS.
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/4/army-deploying-1700-paratroopers-from-82nd-airborn/
  
  You and the Democrat politician making perfect sense yet again ( sarc)!
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:01pm
  - Reid
    
    stupidboy, this is the third time you’ve raised this event in relation to some point under discussion about Syria, none of which have been germane to the Mosul operation.
    
    What I’ve concluded from this is your mind is only capable of holding one fact at a time on a particular subject, it’s the only thing you know, so naturally, everytime it comes up, you have to trot it out.
    
    How amusing.
    
    I know DARPA is monitoring so can I ask please, adjust his settings so he only mentions his one fact once and then never again until he learns a new one? Thanks, most appreciated.
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , try to move beyond the delusions of Apollo moon landings were staged in a Houston hangar conspiracy mentality and you will be doing just fine !
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:47pm
      - Reid
        
        I’ve never discussed what I think about those stupidboy. You’re like a child you know. Someone who knows very little, thinking they know a lot more about something than they do. Your meanderings are very child-like you know stupidboy, and very impolite, the way you draw your own conclusion about how someone you’ve never met might think about a subject they’ve never discussed on here, and then writing a post worded as if that person really does think that or really did say that. It’s extremely impolite, downright rude, actually. Not at all what a progressive would do. You should be ashamed of yourself.
        
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        December 11, 2016 12:55pm
Viking2

Psychological warfare was played out in the backyard auction of a 1930s cottage in Naremburn on Sydney’s lower north shore on Saturday morning.

As often is the way, a determined opening bidder won the title deeds to the property after a game of tit-for-tat which saw the Naremburn local pay $485,000 over the reserve. His carefully crafted tactics were challenged to the end.

Tit-for-tat bidding ensued until Dickson made a final offer of $2,485,000

For a 1930’s shack.
http://www.domain.com.au/news/naremburn-cottage-sells-485000-over-reserve-20161210-gt89zr/
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December 11, 2016 12:11pm
tom hunter

An interesting article pointing out that a lot of the screaming about Trump’s pick to head the EPA may not be about his dreadful “Climate Change Denial” – but about money. Specifically money that the EPA has effectively being forcing corporations to pass to private environmental activist groups in lieu of paying fines to the government. As a Congressional report has already found:

A year-long Committee investigation has revealed that the DOJ is pushing and even requiring settling defendants to donate money to non-victim third-parties. Donations can earn up to double credit against defendants’ overall payment obligations, while credit for direct relief to consumers is merely dollar-for-dollar. What is more, documents show that groups that stood to gain from these mandatory donations lobbied DOJ to include them in settlements. DOJ has funneled third-party groups as much as $880 million dollars in just the last 2 years. These payments occur entirely outside of the Congressional appropriations and grant oversight process. What is worse, in some cases, DOJ-mandated donations restore funding that Congress specifically cut.

Now that’s corruption – and on quite a large scale too. And of course, ..

More often than not, to get the EPA off their backs, the companies fork over money to leftwing run environmentalist groups. Those groups then begin a vicious cycle. They start hounding the corporations that give them money, file complaints with the EPA, then get the EPA to shake down the companies for more money.

I really don’t think outfits like the EPA can be “reformed” unless the people involved with these scams are fired, and that will have to go down several layers to truly root out the True Believers. Mind you, there are rumours that many employees of various Federal Agencies may be getting out now, so perhaps a heavy sinking-lid policy will take care of them. Or just play the Japanese game and shove them into cubicles with nothing to do all day.
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December 11, 2016 12:15pm
- Griff
  
  yeah tom clean air and water who the fuck wants that ?
  Lets just allow the corporations to decide how much shit they pump out into your back yard.
  What could possibly go wrong ?
  
  By the way the DOJ is not the EPA.
  One is police the other the court .
  In a modern democracy the two are separate body’s .
  Your wingnut is blaming a beat copper because the judge gave the perpetrator the wrong sentence after conviction.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:30pm
  - tom hunter
    
    By the way the DOJ is not the EPA.
    
    In the same way that the DOJ is not the FBI 😉
    
    Which is to say that the agencies work in tandem and always have. About the only time there is a break was when the DOJ had to inform the agency concerned that a case should not pursued because the chance of conviction was low. A professional assessment. Sadly that’s gone the way of the dinosaur in the Age of Obama, where everything is politicised and where a conviction matters less than a settlement.
    
    Fine. So be it. Live by the sword. Die by the sword.
    
    yeah tom clean air and water who the fuck wants that ?
    Lets just allow the corporations to decide how much shit they pump out into your back yard.
    
    Because only government departments, legislation, regulations and rules – and lots of bureaucrats – can keep you safe from the predations of Monster Capitalism. Spoken like a true Alan Gibbs and ACT Party supporter and….
    
    …. wait! What?
    
    You keep this up and you’ll have Stephieboi joining you in ACT soon!
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:40pm
    - stephieboy
      
      tom hunter, lets just keep things simple . Open up Yellowstone , Yosemite , Grand Canyon etc , etc to privatisation and open cast and strip mining courtesy of the Koch bros etc?
      
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      December 11, 2016 12:54pm
    - Griff
      
      whatever tom
      Give us your address maty and I will come around and burn a truck load of nice tires on your boundary
      After all you will not complainer about living in a pale of fetid back smoke and I will be able to cheaply extract the steel belting for some ready cash .
      
      Act was not founded on the idea that government is totally not required .
      It has never been their policy to dismantle all constraints on business.
      101 economics the tragedy of the commons.
      Government acts on behalf of us all as the owner of the commons.
      
      Gibbs is a gibbering wingnut and the party has left such stupidity far behind now his money is no longer involved .
      Yes we need to control the excesses of the private sector .The idea is to strike the right balance between the free market and governance not abandon governance for anarchy .
      As I just pointed out to jacky the world is not black and white as some of you try to make out .
      
      Ps coal is dead and it has nothing to do with restrictions
      cheap gas has killed it .
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:32pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Give us your address maty and I will come around and burn a truck load of nice tires on your boundary
        After all you will not complainer about living in a pale of fetid back smoke and I will be able to cheaply extract the steel belting for some ready cash.
        
        That’s almost a Stephieboi response. Of course I’ll care, because I don’t like breathing in fetid, black smoke from people burning tyres on my boundary.
        
        Fortunately there’s always been something that allows me to deal with people who do things like that – English Common Law, which actually had to deal with all these sorts of things for hundreds of years before the invention of things like the EPA. In fact, the EPA basically licences pollution – rather than stopping it – which makes it worse than the laws it was designed to supplant.
        
        Here’s a 3 minute video on the subject, courtesy of a professor of law and economics. No reading required. Incidently it also refers to a very famous case where the City of Chicago sued the City of Milwaukee!
        
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        December 11, 2016 10:15pm
      - Griff
        
        it might work between you and me as there is not a huge disparity in ability to pay legal costs ,
        It does not work between us and a large corporation as the cost to go though court would bankrupt us well before we actually got a result.
        
        It will be only a matter of time before you idiots wake up to the fact you have screwed the planet enough that it starts to really cost.
        http://www.ibamag.com/us/news/breaking-news/morning-briefing-climate-insurance-gap-of-100-billion-requires-industry-shift-41453.aspx
        
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        December 11, 2016 10:37pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Did you watch the video? I would have thought there was quite some disparity in economic power between a farmer and a paper mill, especially back in the days of the Robber Barrons!
        
        Here’s another article on the subject of Common Law and the environment, which contains similar examples (this one has to be read, some 20 pages). Here’s just one:
        
        In the late nineteenth century, the Carmichael family owned a 45-acre farm in Texas, with a stream running through it, that bordered on the state of Arkansas. In the 1890s the city of Texarkana, Arkansas, built a sewage system and connected numerous residences and businesses to it. The sewage collected by the city system was deposited “immediately opposite plaintiffs’ homestead, about eight feet from the state line, on the Arkansas side.”(2) The Carmichaels sued the city in federal court in Arkansas.
        
        Given the tens of billions of dollars raised by “environmentally aware” groups nowadays, I would not think a 21st century version of the Carmichael family would be on their own.
        
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        December 11, 2016 11:07pm
      - Griff
        
        Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son
        And where have you been, my darling young one
        I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
        I’ve walked and I’ve crawled on six crooked highways
        I’ve stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
        I’ve been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
        I’ve been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
        And it’s a hard, and it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard
        It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall
        Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son
        And what did you see, my darling young one
        I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
        I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
        I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin’
        I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin’
        I saw a white ladder all covered with water
        I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken
        I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
        And it’s a hard, and it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
        It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall
        And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
        And what did you hear, my darling young one?
        I heard the sound of a thunder that roared out a warnin’
        Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
        Heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin’
        Heard ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’
        Heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin’
        Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
        Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley
        And it’s a hard, and it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
        It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall
        Oh, what did you meet, my blue-eyed son?
        Who did you meet, my darling young one?
        I met a young child beside a dead pony
        I met a white man who walked a black dog
        I met a young woman whose body was burning
        I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow
        I met one man who was wounded in love
        I met another man who was wounded with hatred
        And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
        It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall
        And what’ll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
        And what’ll you do now, my darling young one?
        I’m a-goin’ back out ‘fore the rain starts a-fallin’
        I’ll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest
        Where the people are many and their hands are all empty
        Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
        Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
        And the executioner’s face is always well hidden
        Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
        Where black is the color, where none is the number
        And I’ll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it
        And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it
        Then I’ll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin’
        But I’ll know my song well before I start singin’
        And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
        It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall
        
        A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall lyrics © Bob Dylan Music Co.
        
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        December 11, 2016 11:08pm
      - Griff
        
        More often than not, to get the EPA off their backs, the companies fork over money to leftwing run environmentalist groups.
        ……
        Given the tens of billions of dollars raised by “environmentally aware” groups nowadays, I would not think a 21st century version of the Carmichael family would be on their own.
        
        join it up son.
        You ranted against a major funding source for environmental groups then say those same groups will bail you out in a legal fight against large corporations.,
        
        Besides the issue for me is not pollution per say
        it is the effort to silence the science behind climate change .
        
        Trump has placed the fox in charge of the hen house
        Brought and paid for by the foxes.
        
        PS I read not watch vids
        especially ones that u have to make an effort to research who and why .
        
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        December 11, 2016 11:17pm
      - tom hunter
        
        It will be only a matter of time before you idiots wake up to the fact you have screwed the planet enough that it starts to really cost.
        ….climate-insurance-gap-of-100-billion
        
        You reckon some of that might be used to pay for re-opening those two big gas-fired powerplants in South Australia? It would seem that after the latest wind-power clusterfuck in the state just a few days ago, the pollies are beginning to panic, with the Federal Energy Minister basically ordering the godforsaken State Labour government morons to do something – anything. Can’t blame them really: blackouts all over the place leading to highly pissed off citizens, and big industries starting to wonder if they can even stay in the state. And all this with power prices rising faster and farther than was promised.
        
        But hey – at least this time the network didn’t collapse!
        
        So what do you reckon, Griff: 40% of power from solar-wind is too high? Too risky? Looks like it is. And if fossil fueled plants are not allowed to fill the balance, what’s South Australia going to do there? Nuclear? It’d have my vote.
        
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        December 11, 2016 11:30pm
      - tom hunter
        
        You ranted against a major funding source for environmental groups then say those same groups will bail you out in a legal fight against large corporations.,
        
        I think it’s a scam, yes. But there are plenty of wealthy, “environmentally aware” citizens out there who are ponying up the money to those groups now. They have no need to have the EPA pimping for them.
        
        Even with that avenue cut off they’d have the money to back the little people of the world in a Common Law environment. As the video makes clear, the current situation means those people often end up fighting the EPA and their “licensing” bullshit.
        
        Good for the corporations (less their protection money), the environmental activist groups, and the ever-growing bureaucracy of the EPA. A situation that’s shifted from clear court decisions between parties to settlement garbage that’s tailor-made for cronyism and deals. Corruption to the fore and the actual environment a long way behind.
        
        And this shit is part of it as well: nobody from the EPA has been fired or even reprimanded for that spill, which polluted miles of pristine river. Corporations can only dream of such power – though the EPA have said they’ll clean it up someday, so “yay”, I guess.
        
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        December 11, 2016 11:50pm
      - Griff
        
        Tom would you like to explain why if the grid failed large gas or coal fueled plants would have saved the electrical supply?
        The entire thing was a low info beat up on wind power.
        A storm destroyed the transmission grid no matter what source of power it was running on it would have still collapsed .
        The distributed wind power the remained tripped out due to three large voltage functions that acceded their programmed safety limits. This could be avoided in future with a simple expansion of the safety criteria written into the operating programs.
        
        I have no issue with nuclear
        as long as it operates on a level playing field.
        
        Insurance costs to much .
        The only way you can build nuclear is if government takes on the risk .
        The plants themselves cost to much .
        This cost is rising and will continue to rise
        It is one of the most expensive forms of electricity there is .
        The clean up bill is to high.
        We still have no secure method to store nuclear wast over its projected life span.
        and last
        Chernobyl and Fukushima mean society are mostly against the technology
        
        Wind and solar were the cost is falling.
        grid scale storage solutions are on the same trajectory.
        We are going to move away from fossil fuels .
        Or we will destroy this planets ability to support our civilization.
        This is the collective opinion of the worlds scientists and most reputable economists. Any argument against it is wingnut gibbering. ‘
        From past experience you will evoke as yet discovered technology aka faith in a magical solution to ignore this fact.
        The Republican party as a group has been brought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry and is in total denial about this issue.
        Allowing the same sources that fund this denial to be in charge of the worlds largest economy is probably going to result in another four years of hiding from reality rather than address the problem at lest for the USA.
        This will only make the eventual cost greater and the risks higher.
        
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        December 12, 2016 12:01am
      - Griff
        
        On the spill
        Were do you think that shit came from ?
        The mine was filled with contaminated ground water.
        You know from those industry’s you are going to sue to stop them polluting
        Unfortunately in busyness when you hold such a risk you play shell games until the entity responsible is just a worthless piece of paper
        Yes the epa caused a breech in an effort to clean up the problem
        One that was going to happen sooner or later anyway if no action was taken .
        The entire region is polluted with mine workings.
        All the mines are supposed to be cleaned up by the industry responsible.
        The company’s that owned them are defunct or empty shells
        who ya gonna sue ?
        
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        December 12, 2016 12:13am
      - tom hunter
        
        You’re addressing the events in South Australia of two months ago.
        
        But have you not heard what happened a few days ago? Caused not by high winds in storms but low/no wind!
        
        And as far as the earlier collapse is concerned, I’d note that one of the pollies who had been so enthusiastic about wind power was apopletic about it afterward. Presumably he was not a “low info” person, although from my perspective, he probably was – about the risks of having so much of the network relying on an intermittent power source like wind. When it stops, then the network is at much greater risk of collapse; that’s the nature of power grids and why continuous, baseload powered networks don’t collapse that way.
        
        After this latest event it looks like the people who count are no longer the believers in wind power that they were. And all this pain for what gain – 0.01C in global temp by 2100 if they’re lucky?
        
        But that’s reality for you!
        
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        December 12, 2016 12:18am
      - tom hunter
        
        I’m amused by these two statements from you:
        
        From past experience you will evoke as yet discovered technology aka faith in a magical solution
        …
        grid scale storage solutions are on the same trajectory.
        
        Muahahaha.
        Bull!
        Shit!
        Not even close.
        
        Any argument against it is wingnut gibbering. ‘
        
        Well, that’s a super-powerful assertion. It’s just so awe-inspiring and overwhelming that…
        
        … I think I’ll laugh at it a little. Wait, wait – I know…
        
        ROFLMAO!!!!!
        
        The same trajectory? And you have the gall to tease me about magical thinking?
        
        Besides, for South Australians the cost of windpower could drop a hundred-fold and the key question would still be around the cost of failure. The argument on that has already been lost: maybe you can convince them to hang on and wait for “grid-scale storage” to arrive.
        
        Assuming you don’t get lynched by them!
        
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        December 12, 2016 12:29am
      - Griff
        
        Sorry i just looked up the latest blackout I am often off the network at present so miss news .
        The interconnect failed .
        I just read Andrew bolts fuckwittery
        heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/feeling-the-pain-for-no-real-gain-on-climate-change-as-electricity-prices-rise/news-story/cbf486e75a615fcf54abfadfa725905d
        That guy is an idiot with some amazing stupid ideas .
        His story is so full of holes it is amazing anyone can read it without laughing at his stupidity.
        
        Tragedy of the commons
        
        And all this pain for what gain – 0.01C in global temp by 2100 if they’re lucky?,
        
        No one country can solve climate change.
        It will take a concerted effort by all of us.
        If the USA does not wake up it will be left behind and excluded by the rest of the world .
        If we do not get of our addiction to hydro carbons we are fucked .
        I do not think this is a easy task but denial and fuckwittery is just making it harder .
        The globe is hitting multiple tipping points now
        co2 record increase .
        https://www.co2.earth/
        Temperature records falling .
        http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
        Sea ice way down globally .
        http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
        Not good.
        To late?
        A few more years and it definitely will be
        
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        December 12, 2016 12:46am
      - Griff
        
        Well, that’s a super-powerful assertion. It’s just so awe-inspiring and overwhelming that…
        
        … I think I’ll laugh at it a little. Wait, wait – I know…
        
        ROFLMAO!!!!!
        
        Oh dear denial is such a sad mental issue
        every major scientific body on the planet is a super power you idiot
        
        as to grid scale storage
        http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/10/solarreserve-introduces-gigawatt-scale-solar-thermal-storage-project-for-california.html
        http://www.economist.com/news/technology-quarterly/21635331-matching-output-demand-hard-wind-and-solar-power-answer-store
        http://energypost.eu/cheap-can-energy-storage-get-pretty-darn-cheap/
        
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        December 12, 2016 1:09am
      - tom hunter
        
        I just read Andrew bolts fuckwittery..
        
        Did you? Are you a subscriber to the Herald Sun, because I just pasted your link in and hit a subscriber paywall.
        
        Oh well. Set that to one side.
        
        Another interconnect failure? Uh Huh. Back to your comment about how all that’s required is to reset the parameters of those interconnects. That’s technically easy but the problem is convincing the guys in the Victorian power system that they should be widened. The reason for interconnects in the first place is to preserve other power grids in places like Victoria – not to save busted-ass power grids in South Australia. The Victorian power engineers and managers, with a far more conventional system, are going to be asking themselves why they should risk their system collapsing to save South Australians from their own stupidity.
        
        And what happens when the Victorian grid moves to the same level as SA? No coal stations or gas-fired units – and also 40% or more on wind/solar. SA collapses, reaches out to Victoria, which collapses…. Who do they turn to?
        
        It’s really quite fucked in the head.
        
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        December 12, 2016 1:12am
      - Manolo
        
        That stuff must be strong, really strong, to allow you to read past pay-walls.
        
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        December 12, 2016 6:48am
      - Griff
        
        You mean this story manoalcoholic
        
        BHP Billiton had its giant Olympic Dam mine shut down for the second time in two months by South Australia’s dodgy wind farms, and chief executive Andrew Mackenzie demanded urgent action by all governments.
        
        “Olympic Dam’s latest outage shows Australia’s investability and jobs are placed in peril by the failure of policy to both reduce emissions and secure affordable, dispatchable and uninterrupted power,” he said.
        
        But unless we all wake up to this global warming cult, the price will become horrendous.
        
        Thousands of blue-collar workers will lose their jobs, and the poor won’t be able to afford heaters in winter or airconditioners in summer.
        
        Last week surely must be the last straw.
        
        First example. South Australia, the state which boasts the most wind power, suffered yet more blackouts on Thursday.
        
        Two months earlier, the whole state lost its electricity when six wind farms could not handle a storm and tripped the system.
        
        http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/feeling-the-pain-for-no-real-gain-on-climate-change-as-electricity-prices-rise/news-story/cbf486e75a615fcf54abfadfa725905d
        Note how bolt blames the wind farms
        it was the storm blowing down 23 pylons and destroying the grid that caused the blackout .
        The big problem was they could not get it back on line
        because the gas plants that are supposed to flash it up would not run.
        Bolt has an audience of idiots who are quite happy to be lied to
        Probably some of them are drunks like you who can be excused due to the damage piss does I suppose ,
        
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        December 12, 2016 7:18am
      - Griff
        
        Edit
        you can not follow the link
        if you goggle a sentence and go in that way it works
        
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        December 12, 2016 7:26am
- mikenmild
  
  Don’t worry, tom, it looks like your desire for a purge will be satisfied:
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/09/trump_asks_energy_department_for_list_of_civil_service_employees_who_helped.html
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:49pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Be still my beating heart!
    
    You’re a big tease, ~~Sir Humphrey~~ mikenmild.
    
    I won’t believe it until I see lists of hundreds (thousands 🙂 ) departing Washington D.C. and the local property market collapsing.
    
    Mind you, houses in West Virginia are cheap! And you get to live close by those dirty coal mines: surely more incentive to shut them down. Aside from the angry coalminers who now live next door of course.
    
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    December 11, 2016 12:56pm
    - stephieboy
      
      tom hunter , this is interesting,
      
      “Bush Grew Bureaucracy Faster than Obama”
      
      President Obama’s new budget includes a table showing the number of executive branch civilian employees the administration expects to have in 2017. With that, we can compare the growth in federal government employment over eight years of Obama (2009 to 2017) to eight years of President George W. Bush (2001 to 2009).
      
      Federal civilian employment rose from 1,738,000 million in 2001, to 1,978,000 in 2009, to a proposed 2,137,000 in 2017. Thus, employment grew 13.8 percent under Bush and 8.0 percent under Obama, as shown by the bars on the left of the chart below….”
      
      https://www.cato.org/blog/bush-grew-bureaucracy-faster-obama
      
      And , no according to the above link it had anything to do with the 2003 Iraq war !
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:03pm
Manolo

A joy to see KB entering the pimping business: the number of adds for Russian wives, naughty dates, Asian ladies, Victoria brides, etc, continues to grow exponentially.

DPF could be laughing all the way to the bank. 😀
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December 11, 2016 12:42pm
- mikenmild
  
  Don’t tell EAD, but these ads are a blatant invitation to miscegenation and white genocide.
  
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  December 11, 2016 12:51pm
- Griff
  
  manolo you filthy fucker .
  Adds are dependent on your browsing history .
  You have been looking at skanky ladys on the net hence since you are obviously a lonely old tosser you get suitable adds for that market .
  
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  December 11, 2016 1:35pm
  - Manolo
    
    Shhhhh, Griff. Now light up another bong. ?
    
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    December 11, 2016 1:37pm
    - Griff
      
      Why do you think if I am drug fucked like you all the time you might have one friend?
      here
      http://www.aa.org.nz/
      Though unlike for cannabis the effects of alcohol are irreversible.
      
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      December 11, 2016 1:41pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    How do you know that grief?
    
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    December 11, 2016 2:56pm
    - Griff
      
      Exactly the same way the manolalcohol knows I am bonged out all the time .
      plus the fact manoloe is incapable of coping with more than one sentence at a time points towards some sort of mental defecate.
      The two together give a diagnose of early onset dementia from excessive alcohol consumption.
      
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      December 11, 2016 3:07pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Did somebody say “skanky ladys”?
    
    https://catcherinthelie.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/bill-clinton-1998-strange-squint-facing-right.jpg?w=1057&h=1116
    
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    December 12, 2016 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, I thought you’d find the prospects of a white Slavic woman irresistible ?
  
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  December 11, 2016 3:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy on 3 December 2015:
    
    Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
    
    Stephieboy on 24 January 2016:
    
    Inandout , recently I observed a young Muslim couple with their babe on the infants swing at Mt Roskill Park. They were having a lovely time taking photos.of their new child
    
    Stephieboy on 27 May 2016:
    
    I saw an incredibly beautiful Muslim woman recently in all her Hijab finery and make up .
    
    I’m not sure you’re the right person to accuse someone else of having an inappropriate interest in a woman!
    
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    December 11, 2016 4:33pm
    - nasska
      
      I’m getting a bit worried Nostra. If I didn’t know better I might think that our correspondent could be one of the unwashed who stands outside public buildings wearing a grubby old gaberdine coat with the pockets cut out of it. 🙂
      
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      December 11, 2016 4:47pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        It’s amazing what a person can do with a pocket-sized tablet and free wifi – and where they can do it!
        
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        December 11, 2016 5:10pm
  - Manolo
    
    You never fail to disappoint, dear stephieboy. Those Russkie ladies are hard to resist!
    
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    December 11, 2016 5:18pm
simpleton1

Just who would have wanted to bomb a muslim place? Another lot of rogues?
“planned to bomb a Sydney Shia prayer hall”
http://preview.tinyurl.com/to-impress-others
“jailed for at least 15 years”
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December 11, 2016 3:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  simpleton 1 , only a good Muslim is dead one ?
  
  DUH !
  
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  December 11, 2016 3:26pm
  - simpleton1
    
    only a good Muslim is dead one ?
    DUH !
    
    Who died?
    Who was jailed?
    
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    December 11, 2016 3:42pm
  - Inandout
    
    Some would say that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.
    
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    December 11, 2016 7:01pm
mandk

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/87443393/man-critically-injured-after-incident-at-auckland-prison-paremoremo

Of course, this wouldn’t have happened in a state-run pris …

No, wait …
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December 11, 2016 4:09pm
Fletch

Tucker argues with a Washington Post writer who claims that Trump voters are racist, white males. As always, he is good value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3rwuhKQTWs
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December 11, 2016 4:19pm
Viking2

Thank you John Key: outpouring of grief leads to huge card for outgoing PM

re you in mourning after the resignation of New Zealand’s 38th prime minister? Do you feel the need to let the outgoing PM know how much he’s meant to you?

The National Party has what you need.

A website, created last Wednesday, promises to present the outgoing prime minister with a card, listing everyone who has supported John Key.

The website, ThankYouJohnKey.co.nz, was set up two day’s after the announcement to give people a chance to show their appreciation for Key, he said.

The site asks fans of Key to supply their name and email. They are then asked to show their support by sharing the link on social media.

BUT,
Did people even read the website for the disclaimer at the bottom? “By adding your name, you agree to receive email updates from the National Party. Your contact details may be used to keep you up to date with other policies and campaigns. Authorised by Tim Macindoe MP, 543 Te Rapa Road, Hamilton.”

Smacks of Green and labour Party tactics.
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December 11, 2016 4:45pm
- nasska
  
  Similar but different…..they’re not begging for money like Labour or the Greens.
  
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  December 11, 2016 4:49pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I just visited the Labour Party website out of curiosity. You’re immediately presented with this:
    
    We’re backing the Kiwi Dream.
    
    Will you become part of the campaign?
    
    Sign up for emails now.
    
    You could sign up for emails and then be flooded with requests for donations. Or you could save time and click on the Donate tab at the top-right:
    
    We’re ready to change the Government — chip in now if you’re ready too.
    
    Select an Amount
    $3 $15 $32 $50 $100 $250
    Other $0.00
    
    I selected “Other” and “$0.00”. But it came up with “Invalid donation amount”. The sneaky buggers!
    
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    December 11, 2016 5:19pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m sure someone on this blog recently was criticising Labour for a similar scam to get punters’ email addresses.
  
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  December 11, 2016 6:48pm
nasska

That’s gratitude for you Nostra. You go to all the trouble of visiting their bombsite to give nothing & they accuse you of making an “invalid” donation.

I’d scrub them out of your will if I were you. 🙂
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December 11, 2016 5:26pm
- stigie
  
  Jeez Nostra, the bastards are broke, they have another by-election coming up they have to pay for, 10c from you would be warmly received ole chap..?
  
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  December 11, 2016 5:43pm
  - nasska
    
    Make it 20c & they’ll throw in a 2017 bikini calender featuring Nanaia Mahuta. 🙂
    
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    December 11, 2016 5:51pm
    - holysheet
      
      I thought they were in a understanding with the greens to do things together. In the spirit of this togetherness they would also have a photo of material turei in a bikini on their calender
      
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      December 11, 2016 5:56pm
      - stigie
        
        If that’s the case, they could feature the Wn Fairy with Alf in their end of year calender. Of course you just dont know what you will get from the rainbow section of the Labour Party !~
        
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        December 11, 2016 6:03pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Lads! Some of us still have a sex life… well did have one, that mental picture is equivalent to chemical castration
        
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        December 11, 2016 8:22pm
    - Manolo
      
      Arrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!
      
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      December 11, 2016 9:30pm
  - holysheet
    
    Nah tell them a cheque is in the mail for 50 cents. The bank fees will cost them more than your donation.
    
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    December 11, 2016 5:52pm
nasska

Anyway stigie, as you’ve no doubt noticed the season of goodwill is upon us. To this end I’ve been chatting to a couple of my neighbours about the hard time you Nelsonians have been giving poor old Lewis Stanton & his horse.

We’ve decided to donate half a dozen bales of hay each & ship them down your way as a Xmas treat for Barney.

Would you have room in your garage to store them until they’re needed? 🙂
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December 11, 2016 6:25pm
- stigie
  
  Not a problem Nasska, you are a decent sort of a bloke. I will deliver them when needed to the SPCA where Barney is located, no use giving the hay to Lewis, he will make use of them for seats outside Farmers for his unwashed hanger ons and for standing on to hang up the filthy washing !~
  
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  December 11, 2016 6:35pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Speaking of the season of goodwill, Nasska, GoVege might appreciate a spare lsmb chop or two if you or your generous neighbours have any?
  
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  December 11, 2016 7:10pm
  - nasska
    
    “He soon acquired the forlorn look that one sees in vegetarians. His skin became covered with a thin moss, similar to that which flourished on the antique vest that he never took off, and his breath exhaled the odour of a sleeping animal.”
    
    Author: Gabriel García Márquez
    
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    December 11, 2016 7:44pm
    - GoVege
      
      That’s funny nasska.
      Quite a lot of people with very nice skin are vegetarians: Pam Anderson, Richard Gere, spring to mind.
      
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      December 11, 2016 10:48pm
  - GoVege
    
    Sorry boys, been taking mum for her Sunday drive.
    I’ll pass on the lamb chops.
    I try not to eat anybody too closely related to our own species.
    (Especially mammals, being a mum myself.)
    A nice quiche would be preferable.
    Tried to buy one tonight but all the shop had was ones tainted with bacon.
    Yuk!!
    
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    December 11, 2016 10:53pm
cha

The Donald’s work is done.
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Putin's political guru Aleksandr Dugin: "Washington is ours." @JoeWalshFreedom @Evan_McMullin @amyklobuchar @alfranken @leahmcelrath pic.twitter.com/wYZO73ow5F— ChartaCourse (@chartacourse) December 11, 2016
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December 11, 2016 7:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Dork
  
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  December 11, 2016 7:11pm
  - cha
    
    Past your bedtime little Stevie so off you go, Ted’s waiting.
    
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    December 11, 2016 7:13pm
sam green

Light reading …

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/11/23/trump-appoints-bill-cosby-as-secretary-for-womens-rights/
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December 11, 2016 7:25pm
- cha
  
  Walter White to head DEA.
  
  https://youtu.be/8qOAGFIvcIc?t=1m30s
  
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  December 11, 2016 7:31pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Fucking brilliant!
    
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    December 11, 2016 7:42pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Still, it’s good to know that the writers on Saturday Night Live have re-discovered the art of mocking the President…
    
    “If I had to describe Obama as a comedy project, I would say, ‘Degree of difficulty, 10 point 10,’
    
    It’s like being a rock climber looking up at a thousand-foot-high face of solid obsidian, polished and oiled. There’s not a single thing to grab onto — certainly not a flaw or hook that you can caricature.
    
    That’s Jim Downey, longtime SNL “comedy” writer.
    
    A thousand-foot-high face of solid obsidian? FFS. Could they produce any greater barf-inducing crap?
    
    Cocksuckers – almost literally.
    
    Just shows you that if you want to revive SNL you elect a White Male Republican. They can’t do comedy otherwise.
    
    Trump: Making American Comedy Great Again.
    
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    December 11, 2016 8:03pm
cha

RIP Lucky Man. And fuck 2016, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t-xorsgd8w
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December 11, 2016 7:53pm
- cha
  
  Factoid ó the day – Greg Lake was 12 years old when he wrote Lucky Man.
  
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  December 11, 2016 8:00pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, is it bad taste to suggest Emerson, Lake and Palmer passed away in 1977 , the year of punk and the Sex Pistols?
    
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    December 11, 2016 9:36pm
    - cha
      
      Thankfully, it was prog-rock that passed away.
      
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      December 11, 2016 9:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The high/low point of prog rock, the legend of King Arthur…on ice!:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hM1dtRolY
        
        …although Roger Waters building his bloody wall night after night during Pink Floyd concerts was a close second!
        
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        December 11, 2016 9:57pm
nasska

I reckon that this discovery was made a tad too late for most of the conservo- control freaks who hang out here but you never know. 🙂

http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2014/11/29/marijuana-fights-alzheimers-disease-study-indicates/
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December 11, 2016 8:37pm
- stigie
  
  I think they are slowing coming around Nasska, but could take a wee while yet if they keep burying their heads in the sand !~
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Peter Dunne wants to help:
  
  For. Future. Generations
  
  UnitedFuture is a socially liberal, economically sensible party in New Zealand. We pride ourselves on providing a common-sense voice on the key issues facing New Zealand.
  
  Look at the photo of Peter Dunne about halfway down the page – above the “Rational, Not Reactionary, Immigration Policies Needed – Dunne” – his hair is a floatation device!
  
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  December 11, 2016 9:46pm
- Griff
  
  English nasska
  He will be another not on my watch.
  We are not allowed to mention religoconservative or Catholic.
  The poor wee snowflakes get all offended,
  
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  December 11, 2016 10:02pm
Manolo

The buffoon Biden on future leadership:
https://news.grabien.com/story.php?id=1841

The leaders of the Democratic Party of the future will be Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Joe Biden, said Joe Biden in an interview Sunday.
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