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Paulus Gnome

Reporting on a radio station and Your NZ tells us:

‘Councillor’s family racially snubbed’

‘The Tuesday evening ceremony was a proud moment for Efeso Collins, who was the first in his family with a university education and was sworn in as one of two representatives in the Manukau Ward in south Auckland.

“The fact that we don’t look ‘normal’, and that’s the problem – too many people offering the suggestion, which is essentially racially discriminatory, that brown people don’t belong there.”

https://yournz.org/2016/11/03/councillors-family-racially-snubbed/

All credit to the election of Efeso Collins to the council position and always good to get family support so to be able to share in Efesos proud moment.

I am not defending the position taken by the usher at the ceremony who was controlling the entrance of the guests into a specific areas reserved for guests of the councillors; were there cards / passes for those attending to gain admission to the area? (like most events with special areas such as concerts, pit passes, enclosures at the races etc.)

It is easy to play the racism card. I believe that middle New Zealand is over brown people using their skin colour to gain an advantage in almost any situation and then shout racism when things do not go their way.

It is not unreasonable to be cautious when the proper credentials / pass for legitimate entry to any occasion cannot be produced irrespective of colour, height, BMI, anything
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November 3, 2016 8:01am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “the Manukau Ward in south Auckland…too many people offering the suggestion, which is essentially racially discriminatory, that brown people don’t belong there.”
  
  MANUKAU SOUTH AUCKLAND
  
  That place IS brown by definition. Replete with associated high crime rate.
  
  Similar problem to this:
  
  “A leading academic has called on the government to tackle white flight from British cities “as a national priority”, as a study reveals the white population in some areas has halved in just ten years…
  
  …In some areas the demographic change has been stark, such as Newham in East London – described by locals as “like Baghdad” – where the white population halved from 33.6 per cent in 2001 to 16.7 per cent in 2011. The 2021 census is expected to show the trend continuing.”
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/02/academic-government-encourage-white-families-stay-diverse-areas/
  
  Multiculturalism is a failure.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    “Multiculturalism is a failure.”
    
    Dream on !
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:06am
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X, multiculturism is in the rubbish bin with fascism and communism.
      
      Mozzies must be thinking they made their run for Australasia and North America a tad too late.
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:31am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “Dream on !”
      
      If your benchmark is a brazilified state of majority minority ethnic conflict, political instability, rampant crime, low social trust and never ending poverty – then sure you might believe multiculturalism is a wonderful blessing.
      
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      November 3, 2016 10:34am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ah Paris in Autumn. The food, the wine, the art, the colours, the serenity, the romance.
        http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/727862/Migrant-crisis-club-wielding-refugees-running-battles-Stalingrad-Metro-Paris
        
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        November 3, 2016 10:45am
      - GoVege
        
        AoR: the French need to round these migrants up, put them in detention and sort out who are running from a war zone.
        The rest need to go home.
        Notice they don’t even call them refugees anymore.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:20am
  - GoVege
    
    South Auckland is the friendliest part of Auckland BECAUSE it is “multicultural “.
    Fortunately the brown inhabitants tend to be Pacifica, Maori, Chinese and Indian, not too many Muslims.
    If they could just do something about their sexist beliefs, they would be a lot more successful.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:00am
    - GoVege
      
      I long for the day when a Maori, Pacifica or other male leader of a non-white race gets up and says :”We men need to treat our women a LOT better.”
      Not rely on white guys to say it and get abused for their trouble.
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:27am
      - All_on_Red
        
        They do talk about family violence. The thing is, some of the women are prone to violence too…
        It’s not just the men.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:47am
      - GoVege
        
        It’s definitely true some of the women are violent too, AoR.
        Usually they attack other women and fortunately they are not as strong as the men. They usually also have a bit more restraint. ..all comes down to the testosterone levels in the end!
        
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        November 3, 2016 2:52pm
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Yeahm lol friendliest. That why all the bashing, robberies and ultraviolence mostly happens in Remuera. Because South Auckland is friendly, especially after dark.
      
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      November 3, 2016 1:28pm
      - GoVege
        
        I have friends who were raped and beaten up in Remuera and nearby.
        Usually by “friends and family” admittedly.
        Yes it’s true there is more street violence in the south.
        But in daylight you will find it safe enough and the people friendly and inclusive.
        
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        November 3, 2016 3:01pm
- trout
  
  Listening to the interview it I gathered that the family were told that the seats were for Councillor associates, they said who they were, they were then seated. This Councillor has wasted no time in making his presence felt by playing the race card – preparing the ground for all manner of false outrage in the future.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:28am
- GoVege
  
  What rubbish.
  Why would anyone pretend to be a “council guest” if they weren’t?
  This stupid usher even tried to push one of the guests away.
  A white person might have charged her with assault.
  Just another example of the underlying racism that permeates NZ society.
  Not “the race card”.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:50am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    How do you know the usher pushed them because they were brown and not because they were behaving like a pack of animals?
    
    Very privileged of you to assume the usher was not brown by the way, very very racist.
    
    You need to go back and educate yourself on inter sectional racism.
    
    One can be an usher and be brown, you CIS normative white pig.
    
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    November 3, 2016 1:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      So now you’re accusing the newly elected councilor’s family of “behaving like animals”?
      Try sticking to the facts!
      BTW I have been with brown friends and heard them called n*****s, and the like.
      But never have I been subjected to racist abuse for being white.
      
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      November 3, 2016 2:56pm
Manolo

The pervert seeks treatment:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890444/Anthony-Weiner-checked-facility-SEX-ADDICTION-treatment-sexting-relationship-15-year-old-girl-triggered-FBI-investigation-wife-Huma-Abedin-Hillary-Clinton.html
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November 3, 2016 8:02am
- MCos
  
  So what
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:41am
- All_on_Red
  
  Well if he’s inside a clinic then he won’t be able to commit suicide by being shot by a sniper in a low flying helicopter!
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red and Manolo,
    
    Speaking of pervs,
    
    http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Indeed, speaking of pervs and you arrive…
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:13am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Jesus stephie, you really should stop posting your favourite porn here, people might start thinking you’re a wee bit addled mate.
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:42am
      - Jack5
        
        A “wee” bit addled?
        
        C’mon…
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:59am
holysheet

Good on Christchurch for banning freedom camping from their beaches. Why should the ratepayers pay to clean up these dirty fuckers detritus. Would they do it in their own home town? I doubt it. The problem with passing all these bylaws is they need to have the will to enforce them.
Shame on JK for saying the council is being heavy handed.
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November 3, 2016 8:02am
- waikatogirl
  
  International tourists spending their NZ holiday driving cheap vehicles, sleeping in the back and pooing on our beaches.
  
  Isn’t that just importing homeless people ?
  
  Where is Angry Andy, why haven’t we heard him bemoaning how wrong this is for the poor tourist that can’t afford better accommodation!
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:08am
  - Colville
    
    Napier council seems to have this well sorted.
    They have installed a couple of toilets with outside showers adjacent to large beach side carparks close to town with rubbish collection early every morning.
    Between the two carparks there would be 50+ vehicles a night.
    Yep there would have been a significant cost to this but I would think it gets well paid off by the 100+ people each and every night staying there buying stuff and doing things in Napier.
    Council does need to put up a NO SWIMMING notice tho, after yet another drowning on that beach.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:30am
    - holysheet
      
      The reason “no swimming” notice is not up is because the council has a cunning plan to rid these campers by drowning.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Fence it.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:51am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Homeless tourists? Don’t go giving Andy and the Herald ideas.
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:50am
- Viking2
  
  What would you expect JK to say? Par for the course IMHO.
  His is Minister of Tourism.
  BUT, a reply like this would have been great.
  We are about to give rateayers where there are tourist poo problems a dollop of our tourism income to install more tourism facilities asap.
  I don’t like cleaning up other peoples shit either and see no reason why council staff should have too and no reason why Kiwi’s should wallow in tourist crap.
  There are a lot of sites on DOC land that also need an infusion of shit cash. We will act immediately to get these loos in place.
  
  signed Minister of Tourism.
  
  There thats better.
  
  P.S. We had netter start to add some to all these bike trails or some of you Kiwi’s will shit all along them as well.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:58am
  - Nostalgia-NZ
    
    Yes don’t make tourists the enemy.
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:12am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Ugly brick shit houses everywhere.
    Guess that is what it will cost NZ to corral these cheap arse tourists spending as little as possible.
    
    Are these the tourists NZ should be encouraging?
    Aren’t visitors to this country expected to have enough $$ to cover living expenses when entering another country?
    
    Ban any vehicle without on-board facilities
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:54am
Manolo

Even our own stephieboy, the staunchest supporter of the crook, is worried:
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/democrats-media-nevertrump-have-national-panic-attack/
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November 3, 2016 8:04am
- holysheet
  
  nah the stupidboy clan are too thick to even notice defeat, even if it takes a bite out of their bacon sandwiches.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    holysheet , not at all. The final poll is the 8th November that will establish whether there is to be sanity or your kind of alt-right insanity .
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:11am
    - All_on_Red
      
      No denial about you being thick though- lol
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:22am
      - holysheet
        
        You cannot deny the obvious
        
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        November 3, 2016 4:19pm
- Rich Prick
  
  It gives me great joy to see the liberal left freaking out. And to think, the melt-down began with one of their own sharing his dick pics with a 15 year old. How fitting. They really do deserve each other.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:47am
Captain Mainwaring

Saw the knobhead shortarse dropkick Ron ‘Skid’ Mark making an absolute dick of himself (again) in question time yesterday, ably assisted by the moronic Denis O’Rourke, while the rest of the NZ First caucus drooled away like the twits that they are, and it got me thinking.
If these plonkers actually want to be part of the next Government, they have to start behaving in a way that endears them to National supporters and the party itself, because that’s their only path to sharing power.
All that NZ First have going for them is that they are a cult headed by a charismatic, populist, but bitter and twisted leader. That’s not enough, particularly as he’s on borrowed time.
If they continue to act like a bunch of demented baboons, the confused voters who seem determined to give the Nats a ‘wake-up call’ will hurry back to Uncle John next November and Winston and his hangers-on will deservedly spend yet another 3 years in the wilderness.
This time, it will be terminal.
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November 3, 2016 8:05am
- G152
  
  Did you see their gang tactics the other day?
  They had the entirety of Parliament laughing at them and I noticed a couple of them were too ashamed to add to the stupid.
  John Key climbed into them several times making them the butt of his asides.
  And the Speaker was so pissed off at NZ1 he allowed it
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:34am
- Jack5
  
  I’m uneasy about attacks here on Ron Mark.
  
  I’m uneasy because I wonder whether they are (somewhat late) retaliation for remarks made controversially under privilege by Ron Mark.
  
  Can anyone tells us whether the privilege from libel continues on these? What if Mark or an ally of his reiterates or otherwise raises these on Kiwiblog? Does the shelter of Parliamentary privilege shield DPF and whoever posts them?
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:47am
  - Happychappy
    
    Are you the secretary of the Ron Mark fan club,if so you need to inform him that if you preform like a dick you will get treated the same way
    
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    November 3, 2016 6:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      Happychappy asked me: “Are you the secretary of the Ron Mark fan club?”
      
      Happychappy, your post includes: “… you need to inform him that if you preform [sic] like a dick you will get treated the same way…”
      
      I have no connection with Ron Mark or the NZ First political party, and I don’t recall the details of his accusations in Parliament beyond that they entailed an extremely serious allegation against a person.
      
      However, I am interested whether the Parliamentary privilege that covered the Mark attack continues in this matter.
      
      As a long-time follower of Kiwiblog, I am genuinely concerned about any risk to the blog’s publisher and to any posters who might naively repeat the accusations thinking Parliamentary privilege covers them, when it may not.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:22pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Generally, statements made under parliamentary privilege may be repeated by anyone.
        
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        November 3, 2016 8:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        According to the NZ Parliament’s notes on Parliamentary Privilege, folks do not have the protection of parliamentary privilege if words are repeated outside the house
        
        “However, if the words said in parliamentary proceedings (the House and its committees) are repeated elsewhere, the protection of parliamentary privilege does not apply. ”
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/parliamentary-privilege/
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:08pm
      - mikenmild
        
        But that would imply that privileged statement could not be reported by the news media.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No. It’s not a suppression order.
        
        Just means that the person/ media that repeats something stated in the House is not protected by Parliamentary Privilege.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:34pm
- Gabby
  
  You’ll have had a different kind of stroke by then.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:49pm
Manolo

The unbelievable corruption and long tentacles of the Clinton Mafia:
http://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-assistant-ag-gave-podesta-a-heads-up-on-hearings/

Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik appears to have given Clinton advisor John Podesta a ‘heads up’ that Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails would be discussed at a House Judiciary Committee meeting, according to a new batch of Wikileaks emails released yesterday.
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November 3, 2016 8:07am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , and Trump ‘s long tentacles reaching out to the real Mafia ,
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716125/How-Trump-Mob-offer-not-refuse-killing-building-skyscraper-Donald-s-shrewdest-investment-MAFIA.html
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Confession time folks….
Yesterday stephieboy postulated that I might have a hangup… about progressive Fabians.

And it is TRUE… I do have a hangup about folks who want to kill off the poor, the unfit, the uneducated…
and who advocate for the use of killing chambers.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/11/how-eugenics-poisoned-the-welfare-state/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left
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November 3, 2016 8:08am
- mandk
  
  Interesting that the Guardian piece should mention Marie Stopes.
  Both she and her fellow patron saint of abortion in the US, Margaret Sanger, were eugenicists and racists.
  The Sangerites are winning, though. More black babies in the US are aborted than are born.
  Black lives matter?
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:17am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    I wonder if it explains the correlation between the legalisation of abortion 1970s and the steady decline in crime in the USA starting in the mid 90s?
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:26am
    - kowtow
      
      Apparently so.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:53am
  - MCos
    
    “More black babies in the US are aborted than are born.
    Black lives matter?”
    Would you like to back that claim up with some evidence? I think you might find that applies to New Yew only.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:59am
    - mandk
      
      Only in New Yew (sic).
      Does that make it ok then?
      
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      November 3, 2016 10:40am
- mikenmild
  
  I think it takes a wee bit of effort to tar left-wing thinkers today with the eugenics brush.
  Some churches strongly favoured eugenics, too.
  Some US states had eugenics policies until the 1970s.
  Contemporary Fabians have about as much to do with advocating eugenics as the US Democrats have to do with advocating slavery.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:19am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Whats wrong with eugenics?
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:26am
    - EAD
      
      Indeed Jazz Hands.
      
      Nature, if allowed to take its course, will result in a constant upwards evolution of a species.
      
      What the welfare state, heavy taxation and 3rd world aid does is reverse nature and actually results in disgenics as successful peoples can no longer afford to have large families as they are having to pay for all the others.
      
      This trends needs to be stopped and reversed. A Civilisation cannot be sustained if it is constantly being weakened and those that created it and have the ability to maintain it become reduced in number. Just look at Detroit – once the “Paris of America”, now just a 3rd world cesspit in the space of 2 generations once all the Americans fled.
      
      As hysteric as MM will get about this comment – we need to stop paying the poor to breed, importing the 3rd world and sending our wealth overseas as “aid”.
      
      If we don’t, Civilisation will continue to collapse. The choice is that stark.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:58am
      - MCos
        
        Here’s a quote you might like
        “The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel.”
        No cigar for guessing who said that, but needless to say if he & other eugenists had had their way we’d have not had Einstein, Oppenheimer, John Key, Mandela etc but would have been left with the KKK, apartheid, and, ahem, yourself.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:26am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Mikenmild, Sweden had the same until the 1970’s as well. It was initially popularized as a socialist idea and drew inspiration from a form of social darwinism, but was in fact supported across the spectrum by people including GB Shaw, Francis Dalton, Keynes, and Churchill.
    
    And the Democrats in the US do advocate a form of slavery only it isn’t recognized as such by its proponents. Trapping people into a victimhood mode within a culture that rejects social mobility in exchange for limited welfare traded for votes; is a modern form of slavery.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:32am
    - mikenmild
      
      I think it takes a considerable leap of the imagination to equate slavery with welfare dependency.
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:21am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not as great as the one needed to equate Mitt Romney with Hitler.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        Not something I’ve ever done.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:54am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Maggie I regard you as a considered poster on KB but as George Carlin said; “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:20am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, the truth us that these days the idea of Eugenics has been largely appropriated by the far right and comes up whenever for example race and intelligence is discussed ( Bell Curve etc ).
  
  Historically it was a concept that was courted by both the left and right most notoriously as regards to the later , the Nazis ,
  
  http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/eugenics-in-the-united-states-today-are-we-on-the-same-path-nazi-germany-followed/
  
  Of course, the first Labour government disregarded any eugenics ideas that the Fabians may have cherished . i don’t believe the Fabians ever advocated Nazi styles T4 Extermination programs
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @ stephieboy
    About time you studied some socialist history ….
    
    One of GB Shaw’s long-term obsessions was mass murder by means of poison gas. In a 1910 lecture before the Eugenics Education Society, he said:
    
    “ We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living… A part of eugenic politics would finally land us in an extensive use of the lethal chamber. A great many people would have to be put out of existence simply because it wastes other people’s time to look after them. ”
    
    In the BBC’s weekly magazine, Shaw made a 1933 “appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. Deadly by all means, but humane not cruel…”[
    
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    November 3, 2016 12:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, read my link . The facts are that Eugenics was a popular concept with both left and Right especially in the 1930’s which it’s most extreme manifestation with the Nazis and they certainly went way beyond even what Shaw dreamt of .Well known exponents included Alexander Graham Bell , Churchill and Francis Crick
      
      Try this useful wiki link and learn som facts for a change ,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
      
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      November 3, 2016 3:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Some influential people supported eugenics in early times. I’m thinking specifically of Sir Francis Galton, famous for the advances he made in statistics, polling, the study of intelligence, and meteorology (he made the first weather maps).
  
  We need to distinguish between morality and science in study of effects of heredity and their use.
  
  In a nation of farming, where there have been great advances thanks to selective breeding, it’s obvious that heredity does influence intelligence and other human aspects.
  
  Whether we should apply anything even remotely similar to this to humans is another matter altogether and one which potentially conflicts with, among other things, the Golden Rule that underlies most (if not all) religions: do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
  
  I wouldn’t want to have to been “weeded out”.
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:18pm
EAD

Just in case you were in any doubt that diversity was code for white genocide where Newham in London is hailed as Britain’s most diverse area because it is down to 16% white people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3895772/White-ethnic-communities-growing-apart-towns-cities.html

When we are constantly reminded to “celebrate diversity” and diversity is defined as the cleansing of white people rather than a wide variety of different backgrounds, then the “diversity = white genocide” is not an unreasonable claim.
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November 3, 2016 8:09am
- EAD
  
  The mental sickness of our Orwellian elites is seen clearly in this statement in the article.
  
  Government report proposes forced integration through school busing etc to combat white flight.
  
  So people move out of an area because they don’t like their area being swamped and destroying their community so the government forces them to “integrate”.
  
  What don’t these b*st*ards get? People by nature are tribal – people like to live amongst their own. No amount of “forced integration” will change that.
  
  The sad thing is, it didn’t have to be this way. We could have lived with minorities and we did—most societies in fact do. But you can’t steal a country out from under a majority, work to demographically marginalise them, and expect them to not develop an ideology around wanting that country back.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:20am
  - mikenmild
    
    A concise explanation for Maori nationalism…
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:30am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      I keep saying, draw up a Maori state, ship them out, they can run it like the other non white South Pacific dumps.
      
      Whites don’t need Maori, but they need whites if they want to continue living in a country that has an OECD standard of living.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:35am
      - dime
        
        nah they would be fine bro! with an average IQ in the low 80’s they would flourish.
        
        id give it 12 months before tribal wars started again.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:01am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        They do realise that there will be no more ‘pay’ from the tax payer don’t they, reliant on the largess already provide by the treachery of Waitangi to their elite
        
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        November 3, 2016 10:30am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    It will go down in history as the most spectacular example of a civilization deliberately eliminating itself via racial migration.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:32am
- mikenmild
  
  As you seem to be in some doubt as to what constitutes genocide, please refer to:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
  for actual cases of genocide.
  Immigration of non-whites into Britain is no more genocide than the arrival of European settlers in New Zealand in the nineteenth century.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:23am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Maori population was wiped out, settlers thought the natives were done for.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    “Immigration of non-whites into Britain is no more genocide than the arrival of European settlers in New Zealand in the nineteenth century.”
    
    Nope.
    
    The Europeans arriving in NZ did not just kill off Maori for no reason whatsoever.
    
    Maori population is now much higher than it was when Europeans arrived.
    
    Maori inter-tribal warfare etc was killing off more Maori than the whites did. The Europeans brought peace.
    
    If the arrival of Europeans was so bad for Maori (ie. Polynesians) then why are they still coming in droves? They are not coming to NZ for the Maori stuff, they come for the European stuff.
    
    Basically, the arrival of the Europeans was a huge boost for Maori.
    
    Meanwhile the influx of the third world into Europe is turning Europe into the third world – not useful for anyone – particularly the Europeans. In the long term it isn’t of use to the third world immigrants either.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:38am
    - mikenmild
      
      The point of my comment is that increased ethnic diversity in a population is not genocide.
      As a side point, your idea that European brought peace is a bit wacky. Who supplied the muskets?
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:01am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Come on, do you really think that tribal warfare started with muskets ? It was endemic prior to the European arrival; muskets just gave certain “visionary” leaders greater scope.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:37am
      - cmm
        
        Guns don’t make violence. They give weaker people the ability to defend themselves.
        
        Whites didn’t invent the mere and inter-tribal warfare.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:38am
      - mikenmild
        
        Ed
        The point about the Musket Wars is that they were fought with muskets. The arrival of Europeans brought a one-sided introduction of new technology to some tribes, who used their advantage to settle old scores. Once muskets were widespread, and tactics and fortification had evolved, those wars ceased.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:46am
      - Jack5
        
        Milky asks: “Who supplied the muskets?”
        
        The firearms weren’t given away. The gun runners were trading them for human heads that were in demand around the world as a curiosity, or for flax (for sailing ships’ kilometres of rope) or for timber.
        
        Peace was indeed brought by the official colonisation of NZ, with the gun runners and rum runners brought under control.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:55am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mike, the original post did not mention the “musket” wars, but wars. And in the just pre-european maori society, warfare was endemic; presumably as a competition over resources and for slaves/food.
        
        Muskets certainly did not help and did, as you say, give certain fast adopters a significant advantage in battles that they used. But Europeans did not encourage the wars as such (besides supplying muskets), that propensity was in the culture itself. Before the musket period, tribes and subtribes could be and were in fact wiped out. Not “genocide” because it was inter-tribal within one group; on a small scale the Chatham Island massacres would be pretty close to genocide as the Moriori had significantly diverged culturally from the mainland Maori.
        
        The wars did not just “cease”, they were suppressed. One of the driving forces behind the acceptance of the treaty of Waitangi was to enable (that is give a legal basis for) the suppression of large scale inter-tribal raiding.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:34am
      - cmm
        
        mikey:
        “Once muskets were widespread, and tactics and fortification had evolved, those wars ceased.”
        
        So you’re saying the muskets brought peace.
        
        The wars did not get started when muskets arrived. They just allowed weaker tribes to put up a reasonable defense against hostile raiders stealing their stuff, killing/enslaving the men and raping/enslaving the women.
        
        Yes we know that. It has been well proven the world over. For instance there is less crime in parts of USA where the people are allowed to defend themselves properly.
        
        So the whites brought peace to the Maori. Chances of ending up in a pot these days in pretty low.
        
        The whites also stamped out slavery between Maori tribes and other joyous practices like cannibalism.
        
        And for all that I am supposed to feel guilty because I am white??
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:41am
      - mikenmild
        
        Ed, Jack, cmm
        No one is denying that tribal societies can be brutal. But endemic cycles of seasonal raiding and warfare only erupted into mass killings once firearms were added. This is no political point, the simple fact is that without European contact there could have been no musket wars.
        As for the idea that the Europeans ended the musket wars, or warfare in general: that’s frankly absurd.
        Following the Treaty of Waitaingi, the new colony lacked the resources to impose rule without the consent of Maori. That was one reason for the governor refusing to retaliate after the Wairau Affray. The British did not fare too well in the Northern War either, so it was into the 1860s before Maori could be bested militarily.
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:43pm
  - EAD
    
    As you seem to be in some doubt as to what constitutes genocide, please refer to:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
    for actual cases of genocide
    
    OK Milkmaid, I’ll bite
    
    Armenian Genocide – A slaughter by the (((Young Turks))) against the Christian people of Turkey. Don’t believe me that the Young Turks echo? Well look at the leaders – Emmanuel Carasso Efendi, Mehmet Cavit Bey, Tekin Alp and so on. Most of the rest were Dönmeh crypto Jews. For those who want to read more about these Crypto Jews (Jesuits are an example of other famous crypto Jews), read here
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh
    
    Holodomoor – you mean the slaughter by (((Genrikh Grigoryevich Yagoda))) of 7 million Ukrainian Christians??
    
    The “Holocaust” – you know my views here MM so I won’t bite. All I’ll say here is that it must have been some pretty spectacular Accounting going on for there to be “6 million” deaths considering that the total Jewish population under German control never reached 6 million + the fact Germany paid out reparations to millions of so called “Holocaust survivors”
    
    So in summary we have two slaughters of Christians by Jews then we have a piece of history we’re not allowed to debtae in 18 countries without fear of arrest:
    
    https://katana17.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/my-holocaust-problems/
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:32am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, a couple of points in respect of your rewriting history and substituting for pseudo history
      
      1 Query ? Are you holding so-called ” crypto-jews “responsible for the Armenian Genocide ?
      
      2 . It was Stalin who decided the forced collectivisation of Agriculture which resulted in the Ukraine famine and the loss of 7 million lives . And yes Stalin was a Georgian and non-Jew and so was the majority in the Soviet communist party non-Jewish
      
      3. Holocaust ? You just focus on same basic demographics I have asked of before but which you resolutely refuse to address . Namely the whereabouts of Poland’s 2.3 million and Nazi-occupied Russia’s 1.5 million .
      
      Where did they go ?
      
      You can certainly debate the issues here in NZ and e.g the US .
      
      Go to it !
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:19am
    - mikenmild
      
      More made-up Nazi bullshit.
      What would you modern National Socialists do to solve the Jewish problem today?
      
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      November 3, 2016 12:37pm
      - EAD
        
        I notice you didn’t actually rebut any of my points so what part of my “bullshit” is made up MM?
        
        Or are you just going to get all hysterical and expect me to treat you seriously?
        
        What would I do to solve the “Jewish problem” as you call it? I would have the same solution as Hitler – send them all to their own Homeland. Hitler proposed Madagascar, but was also keen on the idea of sending them to then Palestine. Of course, with the advent of time and the passing of events, it would make sense for them to all return to Israel.
        
        http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
        
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        November 3, 2016 8:07pm
      - mikenmild
        
        What would you do if the Jews didn’t want to go to Israel?
        BTW, your ‘points’ appear to be that two of those genocides were the fault of the Jews.We already know your cranky views on the holocaust – they have been rebutted too many times to repeat every time you rave on about it.
        
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        November 3, 2016 8:26pm
      - EAD
        
        Some bed time reading for you MM:
        
        http://www.dailystormer.com/jewish-young-turks-and-the-armenian-genocide/
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:02pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I don’t read Nazi apologia on white supremacist websites.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:14pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I don’t think the term “ethnic cleansing” can be used. “Ethnic displacement” would be more accurate.
  
  “Ethnic cleansing”: the state directly relocates you, kills you, removes your kids, etc.
  “Ethnic displacement”: the state allows into the country a large number of people of a certain culture (who will select a town in which to congregate (based on the ‘birds of a feather’ principle)). The native population finds itself unable to obtain housing / unable to find work / live in safety as a result, and voluntarily moves out of the town.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    Well that would be true if you excluded the intrusion of the state.
    
    If it was just people moving in and contributing to society then you’d have displacement.
    
    But the state does not work like that. It takes away resources from the existing population and gives those to the invading population. That reduces the number of children the existing people have.
    
    Then the state dumb down schools and reduce educational resources because the incoming population need special language training, have lower IQ, etc etc.
    
    The state also performs social engineering by throwing people out of state housing to make them available for immigrants.
    
    If it was all free market, many of the immigrants to Europe would just find the climate and the culture does not suit them and they would move back.
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:10am
Andrei

New Zealand under the 5th National (BIG) Government is full of State employed wankers

I’m on the motorway and in the fast lane is a car driving at less than 90 kph clogging up the road and impeding traffic flow

Eventually I found my self behind this ninny and written on the back of his/her/its car was
“Safer speed is my business”

and below that the web address for the NZTA

Your tax dollars being piddled away folks
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November 3, 2016 8:12am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Hope you took the details Andrei, file a complaint, they are breaking the law.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:16am
- VicParking
  
  And if they were doingd 101 kph you would be complaining that government vehicles are speeding and putting us all in danger. Please tell me what law stops you from travelling at 90 kph.
  You were born crying, you live by complaining, and you will die disappointed. (Thomas Fuller)
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:56pm
Ross12

Is this why Comey acted ?

“NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices.

“What’s in the emails is staggering and as a father, it turned my stomach,” the NYPD Chief said. “There is not going to be any Houdini-like escape from what we found. We have copies of everything. We will ship them to Wikileaks or I will personally hold my own press conference if it comes to that.”

The NYPD Chief said once Comey saw the alarming contents of the emails he was forced to reopen a criminal probe against Clinton.

“People are going to prison,” he said.”

http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/

NB. The little bit in the top left of the link —91% of the bets in the last 2 days with PaddyPower are for Trump.
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November 3, 2016 8:13am
- Ed Snack
  
  Not sure how reliable that site is Ross12, looks a bit like Salon or Slate but on the other side.
  
  That there *could* be explosive material on Weiner’s laptop is true, but whether it does , be nice to think so, but the never ending series of bad puns and weiner references would get tedious after a while…
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:52am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Oh it has to be bad, “stomach turning” bad. There is no way Comey would have written to Congress so close to the election if the emails were about yoga.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:39am
  - Paulus
    
    See Weiner has gone into sexual rehab seclusion (no not with Bill Clinton) so he will not be found again for a long time so cannot answer any questions.
    
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    November 3, 2016 1:28pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Witness protection more like. And I imagine deals are being done.
      
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      November 3, 2016 1:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      This guy’s name is a satirist’s dream.
      
      Weiner being weaned off sex.
      
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      November 3, 2016 2:11pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Tomorrow’s headline: “NYPD Chief found dead at home in bizarre exercise equipment accident…”
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:57am
- Gabby
  
  No names? It’s bullshit.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:36pm
duggledog

Saw this the other day – BNZ economist Tony Alexander says don’t blame baby boomers for the ‘housing crisis’, and that they did not vote for low interest rates or high prices.

No, but decade after decade they did vote for a massive welfare state, which essentially removed personal responsibility and lowered the quality of stock to the point where the offspring of the non-productive – and indeed plenty of the children and grandchildren of those same baby boomers – are so useless they can’t even manage a weekly budget let alone buy their own houses.

Strangely, though, I seem to see the children of the same demographic immigrants from very poor countries quietly going about buying not only their first, but their second and third homes.

Certainly, baby boomers (the productive ones at least) worked very hard and paid vast amounts of tax to build assets from power generators to local council infrastructure to their own properties. We owe them a great deal, but surely they must accept that they were enablers of the situation their children and grandchildren find themselves in.
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November 3, 2016 8:13am
- mikenmild
  
  See Maggy’s comments about eugenics above.
  It is not scientifically credible to imagine that 80 years of a welfare state would have a genetic impact.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:26am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Not genetic, no, I’d agree. But culturally, certainly it is enough time; and cultural influences can be quite strong.
    
    Very little of the debate about race is actually related to race as such (however defined), it is primarily about culture. Culture doesn’t have to be inherited, but certainly frequently is passed on.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:38am
    - mikenmild
      
      To that extent I agree, and cultural habits are no doubt easier to change than our genetic inheritance.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:52am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        You could call it “learned behavior.”
        
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        November 3, 2016 8:58am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I wouldn’t even call it cultural.
      
      We have a system where people least capable of raising children properly are paid to have more, and those most capable are penalized financially causing them to choose to have fewer children.
      
      This only takes a couple of generations to have an effect. So far we have compensated by bringing in high achieving immigrants but we can’t keep doing that indefinitely.
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:20am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Nigel, we may disagree, but I’d label that as clearly “cultural”. Sub-cultural if you like, but socially transmitted patterns of behaviour.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:39am
      - GoVege
        
        It’s downright scary, NK.
        A mum of 11 I know has been teaching her kids crime from an early age.
        Both her Asian refugee husbands shot through and now she hangs out with a gang.
        And apparently there are way worse than her.
        She hasn’t even been to jail yet.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:53am
      - GoVege
        
        Ed, of course it’s “cultural” but guess who’s paying for it?
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:58am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Negative patterns of behaviour are being passed on from parents to kids. I guess that may be thought of as cultural.
        
        But in any culture there will be people unsuited to raise children and unable to properly provide for them. Normally those people will have fewer kids. Overly generous welfare turns that process upside down and prevents the problem from naturally correcting itself. That is definitely political.
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:20pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I remember an old joke about a priest and a rabbi having lunch together. The priest tells that rabbi that in the Catholic church, the very brightest and most able young men devote their lives to God in service of the community. The rabbi ponders this, and then tells the priest, “In our faith, we find wives for our very brightest and most able young men, and encourage them to have many children.”
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:30pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not true. Mate selection and fecundity has an almost immediate impact on the genepool of the next generation. Ashkenazic Jews and Wealthy families hold about a 1 standard deviation advantage (ie 115 vs 100 for general population) in IQ via selecting and breeding with most intelligent mates they can find.
    
    Welfare state does the opposite – dumb no-hopers are creating larger numbers of low intelligence babies as part of their baby farming operations. Idiocracy.
    
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    November 3, 2016 4:22pm
- PhilBest
  
  Low interest rates need not be the cause of inflated house prices anyway. The proof is that it is all about how easily urban land supply can be expanded. Young Kiwis used to be able to get 3% interest mortgage loans (subsidized) and it did nothing to the price of houses or urban land. The difference is that back then we were doing whole new subdivisions like Mangere. It is impossible under the current anti-sprawl planning mania, to do “competitive land supply” housing development. Plenty of US cities with median multiples stable at around 3 regardless of how low interest rates went 2000 – 2007; and now; prove the point.
  
  There isn’t really a significant demographic “to blame” for “voting for” the urban planning fashion. In fact the young people hurt the most, are probably the biggest voting suckers for this Watermelon-driven racket.
  
  By the way it is nothing to do with NIMBYism and anti-density restrictions. Plenty of median-multiple 3 cities with an average section size of 1/2 an acre, while NO dense city anywhere in the world has a median multiple below 6. Hong Kong, for example, is 40 times as dense as Atlanta, yet HK’s median multiple is 16 and Atlanta’s is 3. The point is that land, if it is not rationed and racketeered, really IS as cheap as dirt.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:27am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Cue Hugh, sigh
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:34am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The “young kiwis used to be able to get 3% interest…” needs to be challenged; a very small subset of people were able to access such loans. Finance was very restricted, I know as even in the early mid-70’s when i was considering purchasing a house, I couldn’t get finance at all unless my parents were to become the nominal owners.
    
    I’d also note that the low interest part only covered (typically) a part of the cost/price; most people typically had a second mortgage as well, and that at a much higher rate, around 12-13% as I can best recall at the time though I’m sure it varied.
    
    The point is, right now, the asset bubble is, IMHO, powered by low interest rates. That’s because there’s almost no investments that return anything like a reasonable rate of return without excessive risk so all the “smart” money piles in the low risk high return housing market. It isn’t purely low rates, but the whole environment of which low rates are a very prominent part.
    
    The policy is driven by a desire to pump up demand to prevent recession, but asset bubbles are an almost certain side effect of such manipulation. Might not be hugely damaging in a short term intervention, but when we get 8 plus years of it it becomes the new “normal” and bubbles proliferate. As the saying goes, opportunity costs; there’s ALWAYS opportunity costs.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:49am
    - PhilBest
      
      And yet as long as there is inelastic supply of land for housing, house price median multiples will be high and there will be inequities in home ownership. There is no example anywhere in the world where “housing affordability” has been sustained in the face of stickiness in the land supply for housing.
      
      In fact there are developing nations with very little mortgage credit available at all to anyone, but the formal housing market still prices out half the population into illegal slums. Those who do buy, frequently pay the entire purchase price from savings by themselves and their parents. This does not stop the de facto median multiple from being over 10.
      
      A certain level of stickiness in supply of land for housing, guarantees that the market will end up pricing out some proportion of the population from ownership, and the “price” being a high one. The availability of credit merely determines to what extent successful buyers do so with debt or with savings. Or in a mature “developed” nation with severe land supply rationing, like the UK, you get crowding, landlords renting out 1/4 shares in single rooms to 4 people, crawl spaces for rent, grown-up children staying at home with parents, etc. The authorities have draconian and swift measures in place to prevent third-world style illegal slum housing “development” happening en mass like it does in the third world. The social pressures are intense. The term “generation rent” was in use over there long before the Eaqub book in NZ.
      
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      November 3, 2016 1:16pm
    - Paulus
      
      Why then was I once paying 21% on my mortgage – and the maximum the bank would lend me was $15,000 – the balance from Solicitors if you could get it.
      
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      November 3, 2016 1:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Paulus, the inflation that caused super high interest rates was also pushing up the value of your property at a similar rate, I suspect.
        
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        November 3, 2016 2:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Baby boomers caused the Auckland property bubble? No way.
  
  Despite denials by the Government and the real estate industry, foreign capital inflow seems to be the cause.
  
  Look what’s happening in the Vancouver bubble, after British Columbia introduced a foreign buyers’ tax. Prices have stopped rising, and sales have dived.
  
  http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/vancouver-home-sales-plummet-almost-40-as-wary-buyers-wait-out-rapidly-changing-market
  
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  November 3, 2016 2:06pm
Manolo

The lamentable Obama sides with Clinton on her battle against the FBI:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/02/trump-clinton-news-live-election-2016
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November 3, 2016 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Of course he would. He’s well within shit-splatter distance of this mess.
  
  He sent her emails using a pseudonym. Why would he do that? Only because he knew it was a low security server and that some stuff would leak out.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:41am
Tom Barker

It’s rather strange that Mr Trump no longer seems to be complaining that the polls, the media and the election itself are all rigged against him. Why on earth would that be?
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November 3, 2016 8:26am
- Lance
  
  @Tom Baker… it’s just a coincidence………… honest.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:32am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Trump Slams Media in Miami: ‘never been dishonesty like we have seen in this election’
  
  Crowd Chants ‘CNN Sucks!’
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/
  
  Try to keep up Tom.
  
  A more interesting question is what happened to the media carpet coverage of #BLM?
  
  Why on earth would that be?
  
  It was obvious #BLM violence was hurting Killary’s chances so they got yanked out of the national spot light.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:43am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I guess they finally worked out that images of burning neighbourhoods wasn’t “stronger together” afterall.
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:55am
holysheet

Just saw some knob head on PH talking about how Trump as President will be bad for NZ business. He even mentioned Brexit as being bad for NZ business. What a wanker.
When Trump gets to be President, he will not implement half the things he is saying he will do. Because its got to go through Congress, most of these changes he wants are just typical political talk.
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November 3, 2016 8:26am
- Lance
  
  So you are saying you think most of what Trump is saying is just hot air and bullshit?
  Don’t panic he doesn’t mean it?
  
  FFS
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:33am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Of course it is, exactly the same as Clinton. They politicians FFS, and both are con-men/women with no empathy.
    
    But it isn’t that Trump doesn’t mean it as an aspiration, I do think that if he is elected an awful lot of what he claims he wants to do will prove to be a lot harder to actually achieve than he claims. A lot would need to go through Congress and there’s only a minority there that are definite Trump supporters.
    
    A lot of voters may not see that, but exactly the same is true on the other side. Do you really think Clinton could get away with an executive order overturning the second amendment ?
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:45am
    - mikenmild
      
      It is hard to imagine how an executive order could overturn explicit provisions in the US Constitution.
      The debate about the Second Amendment is the extent to which state or federal laws can regulate what is presumed to be a fairly open-ended right to possess firearms.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:50am
      - kowtow
        
        It is not an “open ended right”. 2nd amendment is very clearly in the context of militia. Debated endlessly. And no doubt will continue to be. But there’s been plenty of legislation in various states infringing the right to possess , carry , conceal firearms. So the right isn’t so open ended.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:03am
      - mikenmild
        
        Some interpretations consider it to be pretty much an untrammeled right. For most of US history, firearms possession was tightly constrained, but a Supreme Court decision in the 1930s opened things up a bit even though (I think) the court set out what it considered to be the right in the context of what arms a militia might need. So no one really argues against regulating the possession of RPGs, artillery or nuclear weapons.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:18am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        It is open ended. The word “militia” does not mean an organized military voice. It means private citizens who take up arms in defence of the state if required. Effectively, the second amendment says it is vital to have a large number of private citizens who own guns and know how to use them. All able bodied adults are capable of being members of a militia.
        
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        November 3, 2016 9:31am
      - kowtow
        
        Nigel
        
        The militia, in the context of the US constitution, was an organised and regulated body. It wasn’t open to just anybody.
        
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        November 3, 2016 10:10am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Supreme Court decision in the 1930s opened things up a bit even though (I think)
        
        I would be interested to know which decision you are refering to mikenmild.
        
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        November 3, 2016 10:48am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        DC vs Heller
        
        http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
        
        “The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.”
        
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        November 3, 2016 10:56am
      - Sideoiler
        
        ,blockquote>DC vs Heller
        DC vs Heller is 2008 it was the 1930’s decision I was hoping to find.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:15am
    - Lance
      
      Agreed
      And the reality check needed by some of the more fanatical ranters
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Nigel
      
      Thank you for posting that. But I still maintain the right is not open ended as I said earlier , from DC V Heller
      
      ” Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
      It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
      manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
      weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
      or state analogues”
      
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      November 3, 2016 1:04pm
- howitis
  
  I saw this same knob on PH.
  The reason stock markets will decline is the BAU of continuous war that feeds the war machine will have a couple of bad quarters until Trump is neutralised.
  The New American Century (PNAC) has been all about war …on some vaguely defined terrorists, incl Al Qaeda set up by the US in the 1980s; incl ISIS funded by Qatar and S/Arabia; there are even ‘good terrorists’ if CIA approved and fighting against the President of Syria.
  
  More people die from Malaria in a day than died in terrorist attacks in France in the whole of last year or the last two years combined but let’s NOT put it in perspective.
  
  Trump has actually ‘built things’ with varying degrees of success- hotels, resorts, residential buildings casinos, golf courses.
  
  This is opposite to Benghazi Hillary backers – Wall Street. They only move money round and do not add value. They privatise profits and socialise losses and want a puppet (Obummer Mk II) that will continue this regime.
  
  USA is pretty good at protectionism and setting up tariffs and subsidising business already. eg. Buy out Nokia and bury it. They largely see WTO as one way – let us sell to you but we will make it difficult for you to sell into USA.
  Mr Paul Henry Hopes is misguided but he is only a mouthpiece for the ranting media.
  
  Henry really went into muppet mode in the next interview when he agreed with some lady who was a cyclist/non cyclist that 12,000 people/day will use the intended Auckland harbour cycle bridge clip-on. The boy better check his meds. I turned off after 2 minutes of that. WOFT.
  
  V day Nov 8. Long live the El Presidente Trump. I’ll keep some fireworks for next week.
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:53pm
Inandout

I am sure I heard Amanda Gillies say on PH this morning when discussing the US election – ‘We were sure we were going to get Hillary in’. So impartial our MSM.
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November 3, 2016 8:32am
- Rich Prick
  
  Which just goes to show that “journalists” aren’t very good at politics. Perhaps they should stick to whatever their day jobs are.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:57am
  - Happychappy
    
    They are good at showing potential winners of Lotto all the charity’s ways in which they help the poor on the TV Prime news last night.Just like they advise the Government how to spend but you never see large donations from them to the poor, obviously they are taught how to take in Journalist school but never how to give
    
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    November 3, 2016 1:08pm
- wiseowl
  
  Yes ,Gillies very impartial saying she was rubbing her hands and happy HC was going to be President.
  The business guy and others saying Trump will be a disaster for NZ are part of the elite that just don’t get it.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:19am
  - prosper
    
    I think you are being generous calling them elite. More likely the first on the list that were available at that time.
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:05am
tom hunter

Well nuts to all this.

There is only one thing that matters today.

Game 7 of the World Series in baseball.

I don’t know what’s happened to that utter bastard, Kimbo, who vanished yesterday “like a fart in the wind” as the Cubs won game 6 to recover from a 3-1 series deficit and tie up the series, 3-3.

You want to know how bad this is? Read this from someone who follows the game but niether of these two teams…

If there’s one thing for certain, it’s that it had to come down to a Game 7. This World Series always promised to be the cruelest of World Series, and we’ve known that since the postseason started.
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The Indians, so scrappy, so beleaguered, so written off, and they’re riding their elite arms harder than any team has ridden their elite arms since Old Hoss Radbourn was around. The Cubs, so synonymous with heartbreak, so destined to lose, with curses that came from goats and beheadphoned fans alike. They’re so laden with unmistakable talent that was accumulated slowly and patiently.

Both of these teams would be great World Series stories, the kind of stories that would make your grandkid look up, while his or her brain secretly processes a thought like, “My god, they actually had to watch baseball like that, in basic HD, like a savage.” They would ask what it was really like.

Well, I’ll tell you, kid. It was like this. Both of these teams were forsaken, empty shells without any hope for joy or resolution. Nothing good ever happened to them. But one of them had to win the last game, the game of destiny. One of them got to shed their skin and begin life anew, and the other one started over from the same stupid place they’d started every season, only this time it felt much worse.
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Baseball’s a sick twist, alright. Here’s a Game 7 of a World Series between the Cubs and Indians as proof. Either one of these teams could have lost in the first round, and it would have been business as usual. There’s something about it that’s extra, extra, extra cruel. And beautiful.

Mostly cruel, though. Sorry about that.

Well, I’m here to say that I think the Cubs will do it; that they’ll finally hit the unhittable Kluber-Miller combination.

But either way, it’s going to be a hell of a game.
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November 3, 2016 8:32am
- mikenmild
  
  Is it on Sky, tom?
  Never watched baseball myself since the Twins won in the 1980s sometime, but this one is yuuuuge.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:45am
  - tom hunter
    
    No idea, but it should be. I paid $US24.99 a few weeks ago to watch all the post-season games (well, not the American League) streaming on MLB.TV – so SKY can shove it! I still have not forgiven them for only showing the AL playoffs in 2003. Assholes! Do they think people only care about the Yankees?
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:53am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Use AdBlockPlus and watch it on CricHD Mike.
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:45am
- Ed Snack
  
  Nah, just another boring game (/troll)
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:46am
  - tom hunter
    
    I’m waiting for the mystery downticker to appear appear again on these sub-threads! Someone else who commented on this topic the other day also got downticked, so I figure it was not a “hate Kimbo/Tom” person but someone who hates America, or baseball. Or both!
    
    Ooooo – and I see you’ve got one – but in your case it looks like somebody who does not get sarcasm, even with the obvious marker you added!
    
    And no word from Keeping Stock? I know he was watching Game 6 somewhere in the city. Perhaps he’s not recovered!
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:55am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, Tom…
      
      Your ‘score’ before I upticked you was 2-2, ha…
      
      You read some of the posts that have attracted a downtick and you wonder ‘Just what colour is the sky on that sad soul’s planet?’
      
      Our time on this planet is far too short for it to be wasted on petty vindictiveness, Mr/Mrs/Ms Downticker. Wake up, smell the roses…
      
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      November 3, 2016 10:03am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ tom hunter
      
      …so I figure it was not a “hate Kimbo/Tom” person
      
      Hmm. So, like the murder mystery where the apparently accidental killing of a by-stander when it seemed like a really unpopular and loathed person – such as tom hunter and/or Kimbo – was the intended target, was in fact the murderer’s actual intention all along? 😉
      
      Sorry, folks, but that, along with the “hidden relative who comes back 20 years later to wreak revenge” exhausts about 50% of Agatha Christie’s plot twists.
      
      Ooooo – and I see you’ve got one – but in your case it looks like somebody who does not get sarcasm, even with the obvious marker you added!
      
      OK, so continuing the “Poirot investigates” theme, that means they are either a Kiwi, or an American – but as no American would down tick a post on the World Series, we are left, via a process of elimination with a Nu Zild local.
      
      “Ze little gray cells…”!
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:42am
- Pateke
  
  Cubs to win. Or shoot them quickly if they go down.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:54am
- Kimbo
  
  @ tom hunter
  
  I don’t know what’s happened to that utter bastard, Kimbo, who vanished yesterday “like a fart in the wind” as the Cubs won game 6 to recover from a 3-1 series deficit and tie up the series, 3-3.
  
  He he he. Am here tom – like you I sometimes have family commitments, albeit (like you? 😉 ) sometimes conveniently (adverb alert!) timed.
  
  Gotta go out at about 1pm today, and may not back until 4pm. Sorry about that, but I’ll look to link posts with you in those last few innings…assuming it will only need 9 innings.
  
  But I’m rooting (in the American, not the Kiwi way) for ya, and your Cubs, buddy!
  
  Meanwhile, in South Chicago and St Louis, the greatest outpouring of affection and support for the Indians is occurring since Pocahontas intervened to save John Smith 😉
  
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  November 3, 2016 11:29am
  - tom hunter
    
    Ah – too bad.
    
    I don’t know what on earth has got into me, but I’m feeling pretty good about this game – but irrespective of whether the Cubs win or lose! Is that weird or what?
    
    Perhaps it’s because the Cubs tied it up at 3-3, denying the Indians two bites at the cherry? I would have been pissed off had the Cubs gone down in a screaming heap, 4-1 – and in their own backyard to boot.
    
    Or perhaps because it’s the Indians – especially after reading the article I linked to? I can easily imagine both sets of fans crying, irrespective of whether their team won or lost. Tears of sorrow and tears of relief.
    
    Or perhaps it’s just because I think it’s going to be a great game, whatever happens (well not quite – an early blowout for either side would be bad).
    
    Still, I’d rather be a Cubs fan than an Indians fan right now. We have no history of last-gasp WS losses – they do, and that’s got to be preying on the minds of their fans. Not their players though; like the Cubs players I don’t think they give a damn about history.
    
    The reason it’s going to be so good is that the while Kluber-Miller have been almost unhittable by any team, the Cubs batting has woken up again at exactly the right time. It’s going to be real mano-a-mano stuff.
    
    My head says an Indians win though, because their bullpen has been almost airtight in the post-season, forcing teams to score first and get a lead over the starting pitcher. That’s what the Cubs have done in the last two games, forcing the Indians to play catchup ball. But that strategy is problematic in this game because of frigging Kluber. Getting even one run off him is tough.
    
    If the Cubs lose, I think they’ll especially look back at game 3 as the one they should have won. That was Tomlin as well and I thought they’d clobber him. It happened yesterday in game 6 – but not in game 3. That could be the difference.
    
    And the flipside is that the Cubs bullpen has not been as strong: against the Indians batters in particular they’ve looked like they’re barely holding it together. A one run Indian lead looks solid in the middle and late innings – but not a one run Cubs lead. The good news for the Cubs today is that because it’s the last game they can throw the kitchen sink at the Indians: If Kendricks has to be pulled they have two great starting pitchers who can step in for at least one or two innings each. No worries about rest days now.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:48am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yeah, and who is Clayton Kershaw now? 😉
      
      A walk down memory lane for those Cubs fans worried about the Kluber-factor: game 7 of the 1968 World Series. The Tigers were up against the seemingly unbeatable Cardinals pitcher, Bob Gibson, the destroyer of Red Sox World Series dreams in 1967, who had also racked up a record-breaking number of strike outs of Detroit batters in the first game of the 1968 series.
      
      http://goldenrankings.com/ultimategame1968.htm
      
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      November 3, 2016 12:06pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and I see the Tigers came back from 1-3 down in 1968 (as the Cubs have in this series) to win that seventh game.
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:23pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Yep – like I said. Right now I feel more comfortable as a Cubs fan than an Indians fan.
        
        I was also thinking of the ’86 Mets yesterday as I watched the Indians outfielders completely screw up, turning what should have been a simple, innings-ending fly-catch, into two Cubs runs. Awful – and of course I thought of Buckner in Game 6, and how that just seemed to destroy the Red Sox for Game 7.
        
        Could that history repeat itself?
        
        But then I don’t recall that Red Sox team having a 7th game combo like Kluber-Miller.
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:33pm
- SPC
  
  Picked it, they are hitting Kluber and Miller.
  
  Not sure taking out Kendricks in the 5th was the right call.
  
  If Lester gives away another two runs in the 6th, its back even.
  
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  November 3, 2016 3:05pm
  - SPC
    
    Another mistake taking Lester off during the 8th.
    
    Cubs players are better but those two mistakes leave it 6-6 going into the 9th.
    
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    November 3, 2016 4:26pm
- graphite
  
  On October 29, for the first time in about two years, I posted on Kiwiblog, joining in the baseball thread with the following observation.
  
  “Something I’m watching for in this series is for Aroldis Chapman to blow a save. It’s gotta come. Cleveland definitely got the better deal with Andrew Miller when the Yankees decided to blow up their team. Overall, though, Chicago coming back from Cleveland with the series tied is mission accomplished for them and they’re deserved favourites.”
  
  If that doesn’t make me the most prescient commenter on baseball on this site then I’d like to see what’s beaten me.
  
  Strangely, though, for this innocuous piece I received two downticks, which sort of confirms my feeling that this site has it’s fair share of weirdos. It’ll probably be another two years before I return.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:26pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Hey graphite.
    
    I saw your comment – and sadly I totally agreed. What happened to Chapman in the 8th inning tonight did not surprise. But to be fair, as concerned as I have been about him, the reason this happened tonight was that he’d been worked through 42 and 20 pitches on the previous two nights. And those efforts were the reason the Cubs were even here, especially that Game 5.
    
    Ignore the downticking idiots. I saw downtickers on the Jonu Lomo RIP thread.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:29pm
    - graphite
      
      Hello Tom
      
      I’ve had the MLB.tv package for about five years now. Costs about $140 of ours annually and its automatically renewed each year in time for spring training. It’s brilliant. I follow the Orioles and watch 150-160 of their games in full each year and check out the AL East, and anything else that looks interesting, on the condensed option.
      So I’ve seen a fair bit of Chapman in his time with the Yankees and Miller with Boston, Baltimore and New York.
      If Chapman is still pitching at this level two years from now I’ll be surprised; four years and I’ll be amazed.
      Miller, though, will be doing his thing until he’s 40+. He was the final piece in the puzzle that got Baltimore to the post-season two years ago, where they swept Detroit in the ALDS then ran into a rampant KC. Closers are a bit overrated, I reckon, but a guy who can take a SP’s one-run lead from the sixth to the eighth or ninth inning is pure gold. There are very few of those.
      My final take on yesterday’s game is that every pitcher, bar the guy who started the last inning for Chicago, looked beat-up.
      
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      November 4, 2016 6:01pm
Chuck Bird

I am glad to see common sense and decency may prevail thanks to Judith Collins

Corrections changes mind on prisoner dying of cancer

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11740849
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November 3, 2016 8:37am
- holysheet
  
  All Judith is doing is covering her arse and telling corrections to take another look. I doubt it will make any difference. Leave her where she is.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:56am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I suppose you think that it is acceptable that this woman had to wait 7 weeks to get to hospital to see a specialist. The prison doctor said she had a ear infection.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:20am
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In my opinion, it’s is simply not possible to expect ethical leadership from NZ Prime Minister John Key, an ex-Wall Street banker, who is still a shareholder in the Bank of America.

NZ Prime Minister John Key, is a shareholder in the Bank of America, which is one of the banks financing the Dakota Access pipeline.

So – how is PM John Key not personally ‘conflicted’ in his position of not wanting NZ to be involved in opposing the Dakota Access pipeline, from which he could arguably personally profit?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/317065/maori-mps-want-govt-to-back-standing-rock-protest

But Prime Minister John Key said he did not think the issue was a matter for New Zealand.

“You know this is a big pipeline, I just don’t know the details, whether there is a way around this issue, it’s really an issue for the US, isn’t it, in this case.”

Of course – the FACT that NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America – which is one of the banks funding the Dakota Access Pipeline, would have no bearing on his above-mentioned position?

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16593

“…A new investigation has revealed that more than two dozen major banks and financial institutions are helping finance the Dakota Access pipeline.

The investigation was published by the research outlet LittleSis.

It details how Bank of America, HSBC, UBS, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and other financial institutions have, combined, extended a $3.75 billion credit line to Energy Transfer Partners, the parent company of Dakota Access.
….”

The evidence of NZ Prime Minister John Key’s shareholding in the Bank of America:

https://www.parliament.nz/media/2721/register-of-pecuniary-and-other-specified-interests-summary-2016.pdf

” ….Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)
 2 Other companies and business entities
Little Nell – property investment (Aspen, Colorado)

Bank of America – banking

* 8 Debtors JP & BI Key Family Trust – trust loan* Bank of America – short-term deposit
….”

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
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November 3, 2016 8:58am
- Pateke
  
  would you consider adding “Flibbertijibbet” to your strap line? Certainly fits nicely.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:09am
  - stigie
    
    Penny’s back…..”How Lovely” !!
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:26am
    - waikatogirl
      
      stigie, you do know she will take that as a sincere comment from you.
      
      Perhaps remember the // sign for sarcasm next time. ?
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:13am
      - stigie
        
        You are right of course waikatogirl but Penny is always sincere in what she gets up to //
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:45am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Ethical
  Leadership
  
  Pick one.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:10am
  - Colville
    
    I mentioned “unethical” in the Silent T comments over at the Stranded the other day….maaaaaannnn did some people get their knickers in a bunch over that.
    
    But hey…the twat had a blind trust and took bribes from secret donors.. Fuck em.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  We. Just. Don’t. Care.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:11am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uoV-ouOpk4
    
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    November 3, 2016 6:42pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  All power to John Key and the Dakota Access Pipeline.
  Stop Stone-Agers interfering with progress.
  Penny, fuck off.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:14am
  - Lance
    
    Normally I would agree with such sentiments Captain.
    But fair suck of the sav, the native Americans have been pissed on from pillar to post and all they have left is the once undesirable crap land known as reservations.
    The history of how they have been lied to and slaughtered is a disgrace upon the history of USA.
    But hey, that happened in the past and we need to move on. But what a crock of shit what they have left is still being pissed on.
    Not good enough.
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:30am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hi Lance,
      Absolutely agree with your sentiments about how badly Native Americans have been treated. With regard to Dakota Access it seems there is fault on both sides.
      Some of the ownership of the land is in dispute but it does go through private land not any Reservation land. For its part, the tribe was invited on many occasions to participate in the approval process but they did nothing..
      http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060045082
      
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      November 3, 2016 10:29am
      - Lance
        
        That’s odd… that wasn’t mentioned on the TV report.
        Does change things a bit
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:24pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Actually Penny, if you think John Key is bad, you should see my portfoilio, it would bunch your knickers so tight you’d be mistaken for having a stroke.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Show her, show her and do us all a small favour on this sunny morning.
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:38am
- G152
  
  Pay your rates
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:46am
- Jacob
  
  Besides suggesting the Prime Minister of New Zealand is corrupt, Penny Bright is unable to state how many shares John Key actually holds in the Bank of America.
  
  She also does not seem to consider how there is no conflict of interest with any member of the NZ Parliament, owning by admission on the same Register-of-pecuniary-and-other-specified-interests-summary-2016.pdf, any more than one house, to make any law or policy in relation to housing in this country.
  Perhaps it is no different than standing for election as Mayor, in stewardship of people rates, and being an Auckland ratepayer but avoiding her community duty by not paying any for as long as she has.
  
  Considerably less people were fooled this time, although a very disturbing number of fools, who voted for her, seem to still exist out there.
  
  Finding out the highest personal share-holding in the Bank of America and dividing that by the value of the Bank would give some vague idea of any voting rights any individual might have in matters where shareholders are involved, but then you would also have to know if any such voting sway relates to any question of bank operational investment like the Dakota Access pipeline.
  
  Perhaps, Penny, you should send Hillary Clinton an email about it.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Errr, her server is “down”.
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:39am
  - calendar girl
    
    The amusing thing is that Ms Bright can ” suggest …. the Prime Minister of New Zealand is corrupt” and neither John Key nor anyone else entertains the prospect of a wonderfully-entertaining defamation action.
    
    That pretty much sums up how nobody takes seriously anything that Penny says.
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:06pm
- PhilP
  
  F*** off Penny enough of your regurgitated shite!!!
  
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  November 3, 2016 11:46am
- Garbageman
  
  Damn it now having to log on to down vote the rates bludger so others don’t have to speed scroll past her drivel
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:21pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away.
  Rubbish stays.
  I walk away.
  Attendee Glenfield trolley derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  November 3, 2016 6:19pm
kowtow

Blue Lives Matter

“The man suspected of gunning down two Iowa police officers was taken into custody on Wednesday morning, just hours after the Des Moines-area shooting.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/02/des-moines-police-shooting-officers-scott-michael-greene
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November 3, 2016 9:06am
BarryB

The lunatics have taken over……..

1. Ive just heard that the new procedure for handling IHC children who have gone a bit haywire in the classroom is to:
a) Evacuate ALL the other children from the classroom, and
b) Leave the child alone until they calm down…

So (when actually the IHC child should be in a facility that can give them an education – normal schools cant) the right to an education of ALL the other children comes second – not equal.

2) Ive just caught up with the background to the so called paul Henry train crash. I cant believe it. So he verbally admired a ladies tits – and the world goes stupid !!!!

Im thinking of applying for the one-way mars trip project………….
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November 3, 2016 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  It’s a human right for individual children with major problems to disrupt the education of others.
  
  A brave new “progressive” world.
  
  The right won’t pay for special schools while the left insist all children are “equal”.
  
  Either way , everyone loses out.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:14am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  So you know it is a strategy that doesn’t work?
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:24am
- Gabby
  
  Now your tits are shit. You should cover up toot sweet.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:28pm
kowtow

While the “progressive” media keep bleating on about war monger Putin , they are relatively silent about the very dangerous Caliph , sorry President of Turkey.

“We do not want war with Turkey, and we do not want a confrontation with Turkey.

“But if a confrontation happens, we are ready for it. We will consider [Turkey] an enemy and we will deal with it as an enemy.”

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/iraq-turkey-tension-rises-battle-mosul-161102062236590.html
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November 3, 2016 9:10am
Ross12

Interesting conversation between Paul Watson and Bill Mitchell about polls, crowds etc. Yes they are both Trump supporters but it is as much about the big picture of how things are run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpaiuXNEWUE
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November 3, 2016 9:16am
Manolo

Banana-republic levels: the collusion between the Clinton Mafia and the State Department.

Will our stephieboy deny it?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016_CLINTON_PODESTA_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-11-02-12-57-29

WASHINGTON (AP) — A State Department official appeared to coordinate with Hillary Clinton’s campaign team hours before the former secretary of state’s exclusive use of private emails was first detailed in a news account last year, newly released hacked emails show.

Emails from the files of Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta show that the department official provided Clinton aides with the agency’s official response to a New York Times reporter in advance of the newspaper’s March 2015 report that Clinton had used a private email account to conduct all of her work-related business as secretary.
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November 3, 2016 9:16am
Manolo

Doesn’t the crook Clinton and her people publicly support Black Lives Matter?
http://projectveritasaction.com/Ross

In a new video released by Project Veritas Action, a top Democratic donor is caught on camera disparaging members of the African American community at a fundraiser for North Carolina U.S. Senate candidate Deborah Ross.
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November 3, 2016 9:35am
Manolo

A lovely autumn in Paris:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3896774/Migrant-battle-streets-Paris-Large-gangs-men-armed-makeshift-clubs-fight-Calais-Jungle-camp-destroyed.html

This is the moment a mass brawl broke out as migrants in Paris attacked each other with sticks – hours after authorities moved in to smash up an illegal city centre camp.

Pictures show men lunging at each other with makeshift clubs last night next to a row of tents in the Stalingrad district of the French capital. Amid chaotic scenes, gangs of men were seen brandishing pieces of wood and squaring up for a street battle.
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November 3, 2016 9:43am
- Rich Prick
  
  Put a fence around the knuckle-dragging third worlders, throw a knife in, and let them get on with their self-eradication.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:27am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Small lump of plutonium, less blood to hose away . . . .
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:41am
    - Morrissey
      
      That’s the same thinking that led the Germans to use gas instead of the untidy bullet method.
      
      Paulus, the really worrying thing here is that you probably weren’t even aware of what you were echoing.
      
      And even more worrying is the fact that, as at 11:52 a.m., your unwitting regurgitation of Nazi methodology has garnered three up-ticks.
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:52am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh, next thing the French will be asking the Germans for advice on how to use trains to transport unwilling deportees!
        It’s funny how history repeats in little ways.
        
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“So this is one advantage of being near a Jewish settlement!”
Bryan Crumps’ callow and fatuous conversation with Fadwa Hodali
Nights with Bryan Crump, RNZ National, Monday 31 October 2016

The dishonest, trivial and evasive tone of this disgraceful 22 minutes was established in the RNZ website’s promo note: “Reporting from Bethlehem in the West Bank of the Palestinian territories, is freelance journalist Fadwa Hodali.” Not a mention there, nor in the entire interview, that the West Bank has been illegally occupied for the last 49 years by a brutal military force. There is not a hint that the settlements they mention several times are, likewise, completely illegal and condemned under international law. Not even the slightest mention of the bands of heavily armed settlers that routinely rampage through Palestinian villages, terrorizing, beating and killing children and old people, chopping down and bulldozing Palestinian olive trees, setting fire to Palestinian crops, and inflicting pain, degradation and humiliation on Palestinians every day.

Fadwa Hodali does say something about the grueling, illegal Israeli checkpoints that make Palestinian life so unbearable, but Crump seems uninterested. Instead he prefers to chunter on in his lighthearted manner about the quality of telephone reception. Perhaps the most insulting, insensitive part of this fiasco comes when he, in apparent seriousness, asks if Palestinian children approach IDF compounds or illegal settlements for Halloween…..

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201821977

BRYAN CRUMP: The Nights production team had a MAJOR breakthrough last week. We managed to find a new Palestinian correspondent to replace Nida’ Tuma, who was our woman on the West Bank before she joined the BBC. One of the problems in FINDING someone to replace Nida’ was finding someone with a decent phone line. But WE KNEW when we heard Fadwa answer her phone, Fadwa Hodali, that we were ON to something! Because that phone line was, relatively speaking, pretty good. I wouldn’t say clear as a bell, but still good. I spoke with her a few minutes ago, from her home in Bethlehem. That’s right!—Bethlehem, the birth place of Jesus, which for me and maybe you too conjures up images of rocky fields of pasture, some sheep or goats, shepherd, cobblestones, a few stone buildings, an inn, some stables. I remarked to Fadwa that twenty-first century Bethlehem is probably NOTHING LIKE that.
FADWA HODALI: Definitely not, no, you’re right, you’re right Bryan, definitely not. Bethlehem is a modern city. You can see high-rise buildings, nightlife, restaurants, like any other city that you try to enjoy what it offers. Unfortunately the only thing that we’re REALLY missing here, not only in Bethlehem but the whole West Bank, is the political stability, the political stability that everybody feels on a daily basis. Bethlehem is only a few miles away from Jerusalem, and this is something that we cannot enjoy, going to Jerusalem, because of the checkpoints, because of the wall that was built years ago. So this restricts the movement of Palestinians and they’re limited in a certain square mile that they have to live, enjoy life and it’s very difficult, you know. Five minutes, ten minutes away to be in Jerusalem, and not enjoying the beautiful scenery there. Half an hour from the beach—some kids are not even able to go to the beach, they don’t know what the beach is, because they need permission from the Israelis to go there. So it’s not easy, it’s not easy living here. Palestinians try to make the most of it, but it’s still very difficult.
BRYAN CRUMP: How far is, how FAR is Jerusalem from you?
FADWA HODALI: It’s, what?, five minutes away.
BRYAN CRUMP: REALLY?
FADWA HODALI: Five minutes. Yes, yes.
BRYAN CRUMP: By car? So you’re almost, you’re just next DOOR to Jerusalem. But how long does it take to get there if you want to travel there?
FADWA HODALI: Well, it depends on the situation at the checkpoint. Sometimes you can pass by, five minutes at the checkpoint, and sometimes it takes you half an hour, an hour to cross. And of course in the early morning is when the Palestinian workers cross through the checkpoint to work in the Israeli area. And of course there you would see thousands and thousands and thousands of people in lines waiting to be searched and cross. So you would see a worker coming into the checkpoint when he needs to start working at seven a.m., he has to be at the checkpoint around three o’clock in the morning, to be able to be at work at seven o’clock. So you can imagine the pressure in there, you can imagine the kind of lives they are leading. So it’s not easy, it’s not easy at all.
BRYAN CRUMP: So to some extent is Bethlehem a bit of a dormitory suburb for people who work in Jerusalem? Are there lots of people who actually depend on jobs in Jerusalem for their livelihoods?
FADWA HODALI: Well actually a lot of people from all over the West Bank depend on jobs on the Israeli side, whether it’s from the construction—mostly construction sites. But yes, for example in the Bethlehem area, we have a lot of people go there. They work for Christian institutions, they work as teachers in the Jerusalem area, so yes there is quite a number from Bethlehem that cross on a daily basis to go to their jobs in Jerusalem, definitely.
BRYAN CRUMP: What’s the main economic activity in Bethlehem? I’m guessing TOURISM is quite important in Bethlehem because of the, uh, Christian story.
FADWA HODALI: Well yeah definitely it is. Definitely, absolutely. Tourism is the number one in the Bethlehem area. It dropped the last two years also, because of the unrest that started last year. But definitely at some point we see the hotels fully booked, constantly you see the tourist buses in the street, the tourists going into the Old City. So you can feel the Bethlehem atmosphere. But unfortunately those tourists, a lot of them don’t sleep in the Bethlehem area. So they just bring them for the day, they spend the day and leave, and that is a big loss for the tourism industry here. For the reason of instability, whatever, they tell the tourists that no we can’t stay here, it’s unstable, and then they take them and they get to sleep somewhere else, on the Israeli side. So this is a major problem that the tourism industry is facing also.
BRYAN CRUMP: One problem we have at RNZ, Radio New Zealand, in finding a Palestinian correspondent, has been finding somebody who has a good phone line. Is telecommunications infrastructure a bit DIRE on the West Bank, or have we just been unlucky until we found YOU and your FABULOUS phone line I might add?
FADWA HODALI: No, not really, not really, actually you’re correct, you’re right in everything that you said. Actually you’re calling me on an Israeli line that I have.
BRYAN CRUMP: REALLY? How do you manage to have an Israeli line in BETHLEHEM?
FADWA HODALI: Yeah, well, remember that ALL our infrastructure is provided, specially designed, by the Israelis. We don’t have 3G access here by the way. The Israelis are still putting obstacles on the equipment that meets you coming into the Palestinian territories. They give the Palestinians …[garbled]… but we still are not functioning on a 3G internet. So you can IMAGINE how slow the internet is, especially on the phones. When you are at home it’s fine, but when you leave, everything is digital, you know, you have to check your emails, and use everything constantly, whether you are on the road or at work, so you need to have access to a 24-hour internet, and unfortunately we lack that in the Palestinian Territories. The few telecommunication companies that we have provide the internet but they’re not 3G. So we pay a tremendous amount of money for phone services while if you get a line, an Israeli line, which pretty much all Palestinians have a second line which they use mostly for internet, it’s cheap, fifty shekels or twenty dollars, less than twenty dollars, you can have unlimited calls, unlimited internet and all the time that you want. So the reason we have a very weak service here is that certain areas, part of the West Bank, the signal is very weak. Not enough towers being put out there. I would imagine that we can’t have a really decent phone conversation. I have for example a Palestinian song that I use locally and also internationally, and international calls they give you a really good deal on it. But I’m at home and the phone is roaming, because the signal is very weak from the local companies, so I have to roam into the Israeli company lines. So imagine the phone bills! [chuckles ruefully] So that’s why you are likely to be able to get hold of me, because you are talking to me on an Israeli phone line.
BRYAN CRUMP: And you’ve got a GOOD Israeli line because you’re in the right pla-a-a-ace, not–because it sounds to me from what you’ve SAID, it’s not necessarily that more expensive but you have to be in the right place.
FADWA HODALI: You have also to be in the right place, yes, because sometimes you are relying on the Israeli line crossed into the West Bank, there are certain areas that your Israeli line cannot work in there. Not enough coverage. I live in Bethlehem and surrounding us on pretty much four sides are all settlements. So you can imagine [rueful chuckle] the amount of coverage and towers that have been put out there for them to enjoy.
BRYAN CRUMP: [jocular tone] So this is one advantage of being near a Jewish settlement!

Awkward pause…..

FADWA HODALI: Um, I don’t want to call it an advantage. Ha ha!
BRYAN CRUMP: Heh heh!
FADWA HODALI: [bitterly] Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
BRYAN CRUMP: A SILVER LINING, that’s what we sa-a-a-a-a-ay! I dunno if you ever use that phra-a-a-ase.

….Extended silence…..

FADWA HODALI: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! [Deep intake of breath] So, uh, this is the Palestinian life, you know, the daily Palestinian life is not easy, basically.
BRYAN CRUMP: Um, actually I wanted to go back, I don’t REALLY want to go back to a darker, um, aspect, to the conversation, but I, it’s kinda part of an ongoing ISSUE for YOU, and that is the recent spate of, of KNIFE ATTACKS on Israelis which you mentioned before, and, uh, when I’ve spoken to OTHERS, uh, about this in the Palestinian Territories, one of the reasons put up is frustration with the lack of progress vis-a-vis some kind of settlement with Israel. But I’m wondering whether another thing a lot of YOUNG Palestinians are feeling is frustration with their OWN LEADERSHIP, as in Mahmoud Abbas is OLD and frail and out of TOUCH with young Palestinians?
FADWA HODALI: Well, a lot of frustration, yes, you can sense a lot of frustration. A lot of frustration of the political deadlock—there’s no horizon for any political solution. For over twenty years, negotiations and negotiations and negotiations and talks have not resulted in anything. Palestinians see the result on the ground: more settlement building, more incursions, more arrests. Life is not normal for a young Palestinian, it’s not. So definitely there would be a blame on the leadership, whether it’s Mahmoud Abbas or it’s somebody else, actually, in regards to that. So, yeah, we’ve seen a lot of—-
BRYAN CRUMP: He, he’s, Mahmoud Abbas is, is now in his eighties isn’t he.
FADWA HODALI: Yes he’s in his eighties, definitely, and the last health issue that he had, this raised a lot of questions on his successor, what’s next, if something happens to President Abbas, who’s gonna take over, what’s going to happen in the West Bank, what’s going to happen in Gaza, where everything is. So it’s more of a soap opera here in the last two, three weeks. And of course with this issue then you have his rivals, other parties that they are not happy with his performance, have NEVER been happy with his performance, whether it’s from the Hamas side, whether it’s from the [unclear Arabic word]side now, so everything has just been pressured on him from all sides—not only internally but also internationally. We have Arab countries putting pressure on President Abbas to fix his internal issue, make reconciliation with Hamas, a lot of pressure being exerted from the expelled Mohammad Dahlan from Fatah wanting to come back, and he’s putting a lot of pressure on President Abbas through the Arab Quartet to come and make peace with him. So this is where the whole soap opera is happening right now, a lot of pressure. The situation is not easy because no one knows what’s next. Fatah has to choose the successor, who’s coming to take over after Abu Mazen. Israel is on the side watching, to evaluate how things are happening. We’re in a time now when the Arab world, as you know, things around us are unstable, wars from every single part. The instability that’s taking place in the Egypt side also is putting a lot of pressure on the Palestinians to make reconciliation also. So you can imagine, [wry chuckle] what’s happening in here.
BRYAN CRUMP: Who’s most likely to succeed him, in YOUR opinion?
FADWA HODALI: Well, ahhh, very different cases, of scenarios. But if you ask me personally, then I think that one person who everybody agrees on in the Palestinian side, whether it’s from President Abbas’s side or Hamas’s side or [Arabic name] side, or everyone that wants to get rid of President Abbas and wants someone to come over and take over, everybody agrees on one person, one person that is Marwan Barghouti. And we know Marwan Barghouti is someone that has been in the Israeli jails for years and years, over fifteen years now. And he is able, as some kind of a deal I would assume, takes place. And Fatah actually continues, there is a criteria that Fatah has to assign someone, and if Fatah agrees to assign someone which is Marwan Barghouti, then the full support will go for him, and everybody agrees on that because he is able to bring all the internal issues together. He is someone that they see in their eyes that gave most of his life for Palestine. Despite what the Israelis call him, say about him, and all that, the Palestinians see that he is the only one that is capable of making sure things don’t collapse in the West Bank. Now, if Fatah is going to do that, this is something that is being left for their convention that would be taking place at the end of November. At the end of November we are going to witness a new conference for Fatah, where they will choose a new leadership. From there they will call for a Palestinian National Council. The Palestinian National Council will hold elections and the Palestinian National Council is able to call in then for presidential and legislative elections for the whole West Bank and Gaza. But I believe that this is a very sensitive timing that the Palestinians are witnessing between now till November. We’ve seen a lot of unrest in the West Bank from the Dahlan party, he has his supporters, unrest from some refugees in the West Bank, nothing to worry about so much yet, but there is some indication that things are not going to the right way if they continue.
BRYAN CRUMP: Now as I was riding into work today, I noticed a lot of children were out in their costumes, their Halloween costumes, their tricking and treating costumes, they’re dressing up as ghouls, and knocking on doors in the hope of getting treats or performing tricks. And I was thinking, I wonder if that’s something that PALESTINIANS do on the West Bank? Is there any kind of Halloween celebration, where YOU live?

….For a moment there is a stunned silence….

FADWA HODALI: No, definitely there isn’t ANY. Definitely there isn’t any celebrations. Palestinians—it’s a tradition, I guess, Palestinians don’t have this tradition. There may be certain schools that they have the U.S. curriculum, and maybe they’ll have a small activity in their schoolyard, but more of a festival celebration than any of, you know, scaring kids and stuff like that. But no, definitely Palestinians don’t have that. [Garbled] have parties. Certain places in the West Bank, for example like Bethlehem or Ramallah, I mean those two because, these two cities, you can see the modern, the quick change in generation, the life style, so people live more of a modern… The other cities, they’re more traditional Palestinian towns. So, ahhh—-
BRYAN CRUMP: Is there any marking of, of the Day of the Dead in Palestine?
FADWA HODALI: No actually they celebrate the Day of the Dead and if I’m not mistaken, it’s tomorrow or the day after. So yes, Christians celebrate that. Absolutely, definitely.
BRYAN CRUMP: How many Christians live in, given that it’s the birthplace of Jesus, how many Christians live in Bethlehem?
FADWA HODALI: In the West Bank, unfortunately they don’t reach the seventy thousand people. This includes Bethlehem and the whole surrounding area, parts of Ramallah area, this is where mostly Christians, you see them living. A little bit up north, but not much. For example, I don’t think there’s any Christian families in the Hebron governorate. They’re mostly in the Bethlehem governorate and the Ramallah governorate. Unfortunately we’ve seen a lot of emigration from the Christian side.
BRYAN CRUMP: People LEAVING the area?
FADWA HODALI: Leaving the area, yes, and seeking better opportunity. Especially the young generation. The young generation, we’re witnessing that a lot, and this is a real loss, because you know, you get to a point in life where you see more of the elderly than the younger generation, and you need the renewal of blood in order to continue and sustain the daily life. So unfortunately a lot of people from the Christian society leave.
BRYAN CRUMP: So there won’t be any kids knocking on YOUR door tonight? Asking for treats.
FADWA HODALI: No, definitely not. [laughs wryly]
BRYAN CRUMP: Nor on the local Israeli army barracks doors or any settlement gates for that matter.
FADWA HODALI: No, definitely not. Absolutely not, because I don’t think you don’t know what’s going to happen next. [laughter] It’s unfortunate. Unfortunate that we live in a situation where, a few miles away, you have a military post, and you have a checkpoint, and you can’t lead a normal life. And I hope this all ends soon, for the sake of everybody, on both sides, because I think, my opinion is, enough of bloodshed for both sides, and life needs to continue, and, you know, but it’s politics. [resigned sigh] Ha ha ha.
BRYAN CRUMP: Fadwa, thanks so much for joining us.
FADWA HODALI: No problem. Thanks Bryan.
BRYAN CRUMP: Fadwa Hodali, our new Palestinian correspondent on a rather GOOD PHONE LINE from Betlehem. More from Fadwa early next year. LIAT COLLINS, our correspondent in ISRAEL, is on the line from JERUSALEM on Wednesday.

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November 3, 2016 9:57am
- dime
  
  the fuck?
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:58am
  - Morrissey
    
    Exactly what I thought when I first listened to it, dime.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:36am
- tom hunter
  
  A. That needs downticking into oblivion to reduce scrolling.
  
  B. Link, you fuck.
  
  C. RNZ is still not Leftie enough for you, you insane Anarchist knob?
  
  D. I look forward to the day we can sell it to you and your mates after you’ve had a raffle. Even a $1 sale would be a bargain for me.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:14am
  - Morrissey
    
    A. That needs downticking into oblivion to reduce scrolling.
    I understand your desire to avoid having your prejudices challenged. But I didn’t post it for people like you, who have no desire to engage in intelligent discussion. I posted for those who do—and there are many of them on this site.
    
    B. Link, you fuck.
    Now THAT’s a reasonable point. I’ll try to do that in future.
    
    C. RNZ is still not Leftie enough for you, you insane Anarchist knob?
    I’m not interested in RNZ being “left” or not, I’m interested in the fact that one of its presenters could talk to a woman in the Occupied Territories for more than 22 minutes and somehow avoid even mentioning anything like the rampaging mobs of armed settlers that terrorize Palestinian villages, or the settlers’ arson attacks, or their harassment of school children. But you think such abject dereliction of his responsibility as a broadcaster makes Crump a “leftie”, do you?
    
    D. I look forward to the day we can sell it to you and your mates after you’ve had a raffle. Even a $1 sale would be a bargain for me.
    
    That was witty. Can I use that in my stand-up routine?
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:33am
    - tom hunter
      
      Can I use that in my stand-up routine?
      
      Of course.
      
      Probably the only way you’ll get that dollar!
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:37am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks Tom. You’re a prince.
        
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        November 3, 2016 11:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Morris dancer, do you seriously think anyone is going to bother reading all that crap?
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:16am
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes I do, Captain. I expect serious people to read it, i.e., those who are serious about seeing just how poorly served we are by RNZ National when it comes to discussing such topics. Crump had more than 22 minutes to talk to a Palestinian woman in the Occupied Territories, and it seems like he made a deliberate choice to avoid even mentioning such key words as “occupation” or “oppression” or “lockdown”. While Fadwa Hodali did make mention of the oppressive reality of life under military occupation, he didn’t follow up on any of her leads, preferring instead to talk about Halloween and cell-phone reception.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:21am
    - mikenmild
      
      I liked the bit where he asked if the Palestinians celebrated Halloween…
      
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      November 3, 2016 12:17pm
      - Morrissey
        
        I thought the bit where he asked her if Palestinian children ever approached the HQ of the occupying forces, or knocked on the door of the illegal settlements, was comedy at its darkest.
        
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        November 3, 2016 7:53pm
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    Fuck me, I’d rather read Penny’s shit..?
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:51am
    - Morrissey
      
      I suspect you rarely read anything of substance.
      
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      November 3, 2016 12:07pm
    - Gabby
      
      Fuck, not going to happen, ever.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:21pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Tl;dr. Next time, how about a brief summary paragraph and then the link?
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:16am
  - Morrissey
    
    Fair comment, Dave. I did worry that it was a bit long. I’ll see about making a site where in future I can simply provide a link, as you suggest.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:22am
    - Garbageman
      
      You could always link to your cut & paste drivel at the SubStandard where I noticed it has all but been ignored for the long winded bollocks it always is, and then you could add links to where you tell everyone how much more witty and intelligent you are than them if they disagree with you, a rather nasty blowhard left wing trait you have there, but you do make Penny’s comments almost readable so there is that going for you I guess
      
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      November 3, 2016 12:37pm
      - Morrissey
        
        your cut & paste drivel at the SubStandard where I noticed it has all but been ignored….
        
        Sure, a lot of my cut and paste stuff goes without comment. Does that mean nobody reads it?
        
        …. for the long winded bollocks it always is
        
        Ooooh, I think you realize perfectly well that everything I write is carefully crafted, with not a word wasted. You obviously think you can intimidate people by talking harshly and dismissively in real life—but on a discussion forum like this, you simply look cantankerous and devoid of wit.
        
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        November 3, 2016 7:50pm
- kowtow
  
  Bethlehem, another Christian town in the Middle East over run by Muslim incomers.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:18am
  - Morrissey
    
    What a stupid and ignorant comment.
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:22am
    - Twinkletoes
      
      The muslims conquered the Levant a few decades after the death of prophet Mohammed and it was then they built the Al-Aqsa mosque as a victory monument.
      
      So who is the stupid and ignorant commenter?
      
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      November 3, 2016 11:46am
      - mikenmild
        
        Bethlehem has been a Muslim town for over a thousand years. What next, a lament about the Roman invasion of Britain?
        
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        November 3, 2016 12:28pm
    - kowtow
      
      Milkenm
      
      Yes a Christian town
      
      From wki
      
      An American missionary in the 1850s reported a population of under 4,000, nearly all of whom belonged to the Greek Church. He also noted that a lack of water crippled the town’s growth.[37]
      
      and
      
      Many refugees from areas captured by Israeli forces in 1947–48 fled to the Bethlehem area, primarily settling in what became the official refugee camps of ‘Azza (Beit Jibrin) and ‘Aida in the north and Dheisheh in the south.[41] The influx of refugees significantly transformed Bethlehem’s Christian majority into a Muslim one.[42]
      
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      November 3, 2016 1:12pm
Manolo

Bruv will be incensed:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/lions-boss-warren-gatland-grinning-12115444
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November 3, 2016 10:03am
Lance

Morrissey has shares in mouse scroll wheel replacements

Stop this cut n paste shit… and it is shit too
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November 3, 2016 10:05am
- Morrissey
  
  I didn’t cut and paste it, I transcribed it all by myself. (No, you’re very welcome, my friend.)
  
  I agree the conversation was “shit”.
  
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  November 3, 2016 11:35am
Manolo

Germany’s Merkel legacy and curse:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/727852/Germany-boiling-point-furious-mob-takes-streets-hunting-attacking-migrants
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November 3, 2016 10:12am
Hugh Pavletich

19 photos that show why Kyoto and Tokyo were voted the best cities in the world (outside U.S.) … Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-that-show-why-kyoto-and-tokyo-were-chosen-as-the-best-cities-2016-11/?r=AU&IR=T/#kyoto-is-located-near-the-centre-of-japans-main-island-of-honshu-in-the-kansai-region-1

… extract …

… Since then, Tokyo has exploded. It is now the most populous urban area in the world, according to the Demographia World Urban Areas — over 37 million people inhabit the Greater Tokyo Area. In 2014, The Brookings Institution estimated Tokyo’s GDP at $1.6 trillion, the highest of any metropolitan area. … read more via hyperlink above …

2016 12th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Tokyo – Yokohama housing is 4.3 times annual household incomes (median multiple) while Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto is 3.4 times ( refer Schedule 4 Page 44 above ) …

Why ?

LAISSEZ FAIRE IN TOKYO LAND USE … MARGINAL REVOLUTION

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/laissez-faire-in-tokyo.html

Tokyo, Japan’s capital city, has a growing population of over 13 million people but house prices have hardly increased in twenty years. Why? Tokyo has a laissez-faire approach to land use that allows lots of building subject to only a few general regulations set nationally. Robin Harding at the FT has a very important piece on the Tokyo system: … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 3, 2016 10:14am
- Rich Prick
  
  Oh gawd, there goes the neighbourhood.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:29am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Japan’s economy crashed and burned in the early 1990s after a US dollar denominated trade surplus created an epic bubble that saw the Emperor’s Tokyo central Palace grounds priced at more than the entire land value of California.
  
  Its been “Japan’s lost decade” for 25 years now even with crazy QE and ZIRP interventions.
  
  Add collapsing demographics – more adult diapers fly off Japanese supermarket shelves than baby diapers. Population crashing by 25-30%? in a generation and a half.
  
  Tellingly they still aren’t interested in importing stephieGoy’s Africans and muzzies. Japanese and asians in general HATE blacks.
  
  Ergo, flatlined real estate prices.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:44am
Hugh Pavletich

HOME DEPOT CO-FOUNDER: IT’S THE GOVERNMENT’S FAULT AMERICANS CAN”T KEEP UP WITH HOUSING PRICES … BUSINESS INSIDER

http://www.businessinsider.com/home-depot-cofounder-bernie-marcus-on-housing-2016-10?IR=T

Housing in the United States is increasingly unaffordable for many Americans.

According to the most recent report from the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the housing price index recently surpassed the inflated levels of the pre-Great Recession period.

With housing affordability a major issue around the country, the supply of homes should increase to meet expanding demand and drive down the prices. … read more via hyperlink above …

Further allied information
NOTE
recent extensive postings at …
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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November 3, 2016 10:15am
- All_on_Red
  
  Love the hypocrisy of the co founder of Home Depot complaining about how Americans can’t afford to buy houses.
  Home Depot is a bulk retail outlet. It turns over $83 billion pa and has 2274 stores- all very large.
  Did the ignorant fuck from Home Depot ever consider that his chain helped wipe out small town retail mom and pop owners and drive wages down with their low pay thereby adding to the problem?
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:36am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Its a simple supply demand issue – massive global glut of labour, technological automation, manufacturing overcapacity, stagnant global economy.
    
    Its not going to be a pretty ending.
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:52am
  - Colville
    
    I wish we had home depot and home depot prices here!
    
    To be able to go and buy a house lot of ali windows off the shelf at about 1/3 of NZ prices!
    
    No such thing as trade discount in USA !
    
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    November 3, 2016 12:06pm
Manolo

MSM decline:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897406/New-York-Times-reports-95-7-percent-fall-quarterly-profit.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wall-street-journal-to-combine-sections-to-cope-with-ad-decline-1478099988
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November 3, 2016 10:40am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Whether Trump wins or not, its never going back to politics as normal. The MSM visceral hatred of Trump and white working Americans has been so intense even the normies now see it.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:59am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Protesters including Sue Bradford occupy Manpower office which recruits WINZ ‘clients’.
  
  “A worker was asked to sign a contract with a clause that enabled the company to collect and pass on their workers’ sexual preferences and practices, race, religious beliefs and political views.”
  
  ^ If the above is true then good on Bradford and co for protesting it.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11741433
  
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  November 3, 2016 1:35pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Raybon Kan in the NZ Herald has a meltdown about Trump, Brexit and white people. LOL.

“You vely vely lacist!”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11740856
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November 3, 2016 11:04am
- dime
  
  what a fucking moron
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:03pm
- Longknives
  
  “But make no mistake, they are white supremacists. This is why they prefer Vladimir Putin to Barack Obama. .”
  
  So if you prefer Trump to Clinton you are a “White Supremacist” according to a D-List New Zealand Comedian?
  Wow..
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:59pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    As good as a D?
    
    I question your sense of humour
    
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    November 3, 2016 1:34pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    According to Obama, if you are male and won’t vote for Hillary, you’re sexist. They should just list all of their favourite ~ists and ~phobics and be done with it. I’m not sure what that makes Obama though, given he went so far as to run against her in 2008.
    
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    November 3, 2016 1:39pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Its a good example of Culturalist Marxist doctrine – any other ethinic group which embraces its identity ( and it is highly encouraged to ) is applauded and praised. Whites try to do it = “Nazis!!!”
    
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    November 3, 2016 1:54pm
  - Jack5
    
    Raybon Kan, a New Zealander of Chinese ethnicity, lectures us on white racism.
    
    Here’s a link to a report on Chinese racism against black folk (they can also show prejudice to white people, too – the nickname in southern China for a white is “gweilo”, or ghost person):
    
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-racist-black-people_us_576a9840e4b065534f485002
    
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    November 3, 2016 3:07pm
    - Longknives
      
      Mate I travelled through China for a couple of months.. Trust me- It’s not just ‘Evil Whitey’ who are suspicious and mistrusting of Foreigners..
      
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      November 3, 2016 4:07pm
    - Fletch
      
      He ripped Trump in today’s Herald, too. No room to comment under the story either – cowardly.
      
      But I can’t bring myself to believe it, when I think about Trump supporters. As of yesterday, that’s maybe half the American population. Which is lots. And a significant amount of the world population too.
      
      Words have lost their meaning, hopelessly devalued, like currency in Zimbabwe.
      
      People can call him a misogynist. Water off a duck’s back. Entire states remain red, as if Texas doesn’t contain any women. Or Mexican-Americans. Or African-Americans. Or Muslims.
      
      Words like xenophobia, demagogue, ignorant, fascist, anti-Semitism – even Nazi, even KKK – they don’t make a dent. Too many syllables?
      
      Racism, fortunately, is still a label his supporters deny. The picture of the white woman holding up the Blacks for Trump sign shows they want to be seen as inclusive. White supremacists have rebranded as white nationalists. Or alt-right, which sounds like a keyboard short-cut.
      
      But make no mistake, they are white supremacists. This is why they prefer Vladimir Putin to Barack Obama. This is why the Supreme Court has no ninth judge.
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11740856
      
      Sorry Raybon, you just don’t get it, do you. I thought you were smarter than to completely swallow the mainstream media narrative, or maybe you’re not just very good at logical thinking.
      
      Think about it – if half the United States population, and much of the world is rooting for Trump, then perhaps it’s not them whose thinking is awry – it’s your reasoning. Do you really believe that half the United States is racist or xenophobic? Really? Isn’t it far more likely that you just plain got it wrong and have had your ear against the liberal echo chamber for too long?
      
      Let me spell it out for you. Trump isn’t anti-Mexican. He is against anyone entering illegally, and stealing the places of those who are waiting to enter legally. Stealing the jobs that could go to legal immigrants, and other U.S citizens.
      
      As far as mysogynist, what could be more mysogynist than a woman who defends her rapist husband and attacks and intimidates his victims? Oh, and as far as Putin – the NY Times has reported that the FBI has looked into possible links between Trump and Putin and found none. NONE. Yet Hillary Clinton has sold off 20% (eventually 50%) of uranium in the U.S to Russia.
      
      Ignorance.
      
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      November 3, 2016 5:50pm
Ross12

Just for Tom “die MSM die” Hunter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897406/New-York-Times-reports-95-7-percent-fall-quarterly-profit.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wall-street-journal-to-combine-sections-to-cope-with-ad-decline-1478099988
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November 3, 2016 11:10am
- tom hunter
  
  Thanks Ross12, but I already saw a reference to it in this piece…:
  
  We mastodons who still receive our daily dose of New York Times when the dead-tree version lands on our doorsteps with a dull thud got a special treat Tuesday, a textbook case of the way “the newspaper of record” goes about its business these days. The front page headline read: “Comey Role Recalls Hoover’s F.B.I., Fairly or Not.”
  
  Assholes! But they’ll probably just beg for more investment from Mexican billionaire, Carlos Slim. I also appreciated this quote:
  
  To fully understand the headline, it helps to know that the Times has a relationship with its readers that is best described as “Pavlovian.”
  
  After years of careful training, the newspaper has only to ring a bell to raise the appropriate response from its audience: joy, terror, laughter, sorrow, approval, revulsion, running the gamut from lol to smdh.
  
  Muhhahaha – although I would describe the New York Times and it’s readers as something more like a bunch of highschool girls texting eachother about their faves and their – “OMG” – hates.
  
  I feel a bit like that Roman Senator who ended every speech, no matter what the subject, with the line, “Carthage must be destroyed”.
  
  Die, MSM. Die
  
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  November 3, 2016 11:33am
Manolo

Cash is the word:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/02/mohamed-el-erian-time-to-reduce-exposure-to-the-public-market.html

There is “unusual” political, financial, economic and institutional uncertainty facing the market right now, Allianz’s chief economic advisor, Mohamed El-Erian, told CNBC.

That means keeping a higher level of cash than one would normally have, and being more tactical in what one would be inclined to do, he said.
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November 3, 2016 11:13am
Ross12

Manalo , looks like you just beat me to it re MSM failing !!!

A headline on the Yahoo News page

“Amid Email Focus, Obama Says He Has ‘Absolute Confidence’ In Clinton’s Integrity ”

Something tells me that Obama now realises that he is tied up in the Clinton mess ( either directly or unintentionally ) and he is desperate for Clinton to get in, as it is his only potential way out of the mess.
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November 3, 2016 11:31am
- Manolo
  
  The incompetent Obama is up to his eyeballs in Clinton’s mess and corruption, so he has no choice but support the crook all the way.
  
  Hope and change everyone?
  
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  November 3, 2016 11:51am
- Ed Snack
  
  Funny though, that’s not anything like what he was saying back in 2008 !
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:01pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/86040706/scary-huntsman-spider-puts-australian-man-in-lake

Spider scared man – he freaks out and drove into the lake.

Possible, but doesn’t pass the bullshit test.

More likely scenario:
* Driver was dicking around with phone: FB/Tinder/whatever.
* Drove into lake.
* Thinks up a good excuse that will look Ok to the cops and insurance.
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November 3, 2016 11:32am
Morrissey

And not just in America….

https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/113638882901059396959/6348187184808112242?icm=false
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November 3, 2016 11:47am
Manolo

Will Huma, the pervert’s wife, do time for lying?
http://freebeacon.com/issues/abedin-new-focus-clinton-email-investigation/

Abedin was questioned by FBI agents and Justice Department officials, including those involved with counterintelligence matters, on April 5.

During those discussions, Abedin revealed that she used four different email accounts while she was deputy chief of staff for operations in Clinton’s seventh floor office at the State Department.
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November 3, 2016 11:56am
- Morrissey
  
  Speaking of perverts….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTyNOxXWCM
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:10pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    http://www.notrightinthehead.dotcom
    
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    November 3, 2016 6:55pm
Ed Snack

Look, Obama is campaigning for Trump now:

“.@POTUS says if @realDonaldTrump elected, he’ll reverse “every single thing I’ve done” on jobs, health insurance, climate change, et al.”
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November 3, 2016 12:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ed Snack ,
  
  Yes that s right Trump is a climate denier and great on spewing out more fossil fuels especially coal ( after all Charles Koch is a great buddy and lobbyist )
  
  Obviously, Trump has some great ideas on providing affordable health care for all Americans ! Which is what precisely ?
  
  Obviously, 35% tariffs will restore 1950s style prosperity to the rustbelt and give poor whites full employment ?
  How will that work exactly?
  
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  November 3, 2016 2:47pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    35% tariffs?
    Source?
    No one denies the Climate changes. Climate denier is a stupid label from stupid people
    
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    November 3, 2016 4:22pm
Ross12

The figures for increases in Obamacare policies are coming out state by —massive increases!!
Maybe this helps explain what’s going on. A lady accidentally cuts her finger while cutting veges and requires a few stitches –this is the bill for what took the doctor 45 minutes.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/11/01/20161102_finger.jpg
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November 3, 2016 12:16pm
- Manolo
  
  @Ross12, the premium increases are listed here:
  http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/11/01/Here-s-How-Much-Obamacare-Premiums-Are-Rising-All-50-States
  
  And the incompetent Obama promised a cost reduction when Obamacare was passed. What a big liar he is.
  
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  November 3, 2016 12:20pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    More women are voting for Trump. He’s up to same level Romney had.
    Perhaps they have received their advice of the increase in their Premium in the mail?
    For most women, the health of their families and themselves is very important.
    More important than off colour remarks perhaps
    
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    November 3, 2016 12:50pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , so how is Trump going to provide affordable and Comprehensive health care for all those women and families ?
      
      Donald Trump’s Health Care Ideas Bewilder Republican Experts
      
      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/09/us/politics/donald-trump-health-care.html?_r=0
      
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      November 3, 2016 2:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Trump has a website. Look it up you lazy **** with your stupid questions.
        
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        November 3, 2016 4:20pm
Manolo

Shyster number one:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f10aec20836843bc9b21948d8dc720b8/obama-worries-black-vote-not-solid-enough-clinton
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November 3, 2016 12:23pm
Kimbo

The deciding seventh game of baseball’s 2016 World Series, the Cleveland Indians chasing their first world title since 1948, the Chicago Cubs their first since…1908!:

http://m.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-indians/2016/11/02/487637?partnerId=LR_preview#game_tab=preview,game=487637,game_state=live
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November 3, 2016 12:58pm
- Kimbo
  
  …and leading-off for the Cubs, Dexter Fowler hits a home run, and then next up batter Kyle Schwarber singles. Cubs 1 run, two hits. Time for the Indians to pull Kluber? 😉
  
  Gotta go, tom, catch you around 4pm…
  
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  November 3, 2016 1:10pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Quick forward this one to all the feminists you have the misfortune to know:

“Woman drops 34kg to become toned bikini model

A former bulimic has revealed how bodybuilding transformed her from a depressed recluse into a confident bikini model.

Grace Marriott, 21, from Aurora, Colorado, struggled with the eating disorder for two years after bullies called her ‘fat’, binge-eating junk food and purging after every meal.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11741412

She got the last laugh on her bullies, I love a happy ending!
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November 3, 2016 2:01pm
AgentBallSack

Annnnd Nevada goes to Trump, 51.6 – 48.4

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/nevada/#now
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November 3, 2016 2:36pm
Ross12

Bill Still does a good commentary on the DayBreak poll, which is run by USC academics ( not a polling company)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z21HMR41qjU
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November 3, 2016 2:39pm
rangitoto

There was some loon on a radio station news report whining about using the term “red zone” for areas of CHC that were irreparably munted by the earthquakes. It’s against the land owners hooomin wites to use negative terms like that dotchya know.
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November 3, 2016 2:45pm
Manolo

He knows and must be believed. The incompetent Obama warns the populace:
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/obama-donald-trump-north-carolina-2016-11?r=US&IR=T

President Barack Obama delivered an impassioned plea to voters in North Carolina to vote next week and reject the candidacy of Republican nominee Donald Trump.
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November 3, 2016 3:18pm
Manolo

Usual garbage from Obama who has divided US society like no predecessor, trashed its economy, given get-out-of-jail cards to all the crims on Wall Street who have been looting the US and thereby making themselves rich, and who has turned a blind eye to the enormous crimes of the Clintons and the huge exposure of classified material by Hillary Clinton even the most minute part of which would put anyone else in jail.

He has presided over the politicization of the DOJ, the IRS and virtually every other arm of Government.
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November 3, 2016 3:19pm
Manolo

Supreme elitist and loyal to his hopeless candidate brother:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/george-bush-hillary-clinton-230620

George P. Bush said Tuesday that his uncle, former President George W. Bush, may join his grandfather George H.W. Bush in casting his ballot for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, according to the Associated Press.
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November 3, 2016 3:22pm
PhilP

I wonder if DPF could give us some insight into why one term mp Jono Naylor (List Palmerston North) has decided to stand down at next years election?
Speculation abounds!
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November 3, 2016 4:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maybe he got a better offer?
  
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  November 3, 2016 4:13pm
Rich Prick

The wheels have flown off the Clinton bus:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

Finally, we learned there is a confidence from these sources that her server had been hacked. And that it was a 99% accuracy that it had been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that things had been taken from that…

The investigations will continue, there is a lot of evidence. And barring some obstruction in some way, they believe they will continue to likely an indictment.
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November 3, 2016 4:40pm
Ed Snack

RP, yes, I’ve seen that story, run in the WSJ indeed. One has to wonder if this is merely a piece of finely judged end running by the RNC (I don’t think Trump has the means and sources to plan this, or the ability) or a genuine groundswell of revulsion at the Clinton’s corrupt ways.

Either way, a couple more days of this and we very well may be looking at a Trump landslide. God help us all, it’s been fun contemplating a possible Clinton fall, she’s had it coming for a very long time, but we really are entering uncharted territory. Let’s hope it’s not the fulfillment of the reputed Chinese curse “may you live in interesting times”.

Still. we’ll all just have to live with what ever happens; nothing at all we can do from here to influence a single thing. Once we get over the euphoria of all the exploding SJW and leftoid heads, what next…
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November 3, 2016 5:17pm
nasska

….”Once we get over the euphoria of all the exploding SJW and leftoid heads, what next…”….

Video the spectacle so we can keep enjoying the moment!

But in all seriousness I reckon the world & the USA in particular may have good reason to be grateful that someone like Trump was prepared to provide an alternative to Clinton & the Democrat’s total corruption.
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November 3, 2016 5:23pm
Kimbo

Oh, back to the baseball – it was tied 6-6 at the end of nine innings, but at the top of the tenth the Cubs have scored two more, and now loaded the bases with ~~only one~~ two out.

Time to start celebrating, tom hunter? 😉
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November 3, 2016 5:30pm
- Kimbo
  
  …and the Cubs miss the chance to some score more.
  
  Bottom of the 10th, the Cubs three strikes away from a World Series win, while Cleveland have to score two more runs to stay alive, or a third to snatch victory…
  
  …Mike Napoli strikes out for the Indians. Cubs two outs away…
  
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  November 3, 2016 5:35pm
Kimbo

Jose Ramirez grounds out, the Cubs just one out away. Only one team – the 1986 Red Sox have ever lost a World Series from this position, If the curse of the Billy Goat still lives, now is the time it will manifest itself 😉

…and as a result of 4 balls, Brandon Guyer walks to 1st. One more runner on base, and then a home run will win it for Cleveland! 😉

Guyer advances to second unopposed.

Rajai Davis singles, and Guyer scores. 8-7. One out needed for the Cubs, and one home run for Cleveland.
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November 3, 2016 5:41pm
- tom hunter
  
  I’m so glad I was not online at this time.
  
  You sadistic PRICK!!!!!
  
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  November 3, 2016 5:55pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Love you long time! 😉 And that’s “Mr Prick” 😉
    
    Man, did the Billy Goat die hard, or what??!
    
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    November 3, 2016 5:56pm
Kimbo

How you doing, tom hunter? 😉

Mike Montgomery replaces Martinez on the mound.

Cubs win!!
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November 3, 2016 5:47pm
tom hunter

Is the sun shining just a little brighter on my back.

The air seems warmer as well – and there’s a shimmering golden haze.

And those sweet smells – like that cold beer, which is surely the best tasting beer I’ve ever had.

Could this be Elysium?

No. This is real life and the reason I’m floating is that

THE CUBS HAVE WON THE 2016 WORLD SERIES.

Christ! If that had gone on much longer I’d have had a fucking heart attack. What an incredible Game 7. Down to the wire.

No thanks to fucking MLB.TV and their streaming!!!!!
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November 3, 2016 5:49pm
- Pateke
  
  Almost never in doubt! I go to bed a happy man
  
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  November 3, 2016 6:11pm
- Kimbo
  
  “Cubs win! Cubs win! Cubs win!”
  
  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-win-world-series-sullivan-spt-1103-20161102-story.html
  
  And even though the Chicago Tribune once printed “Dewey defeats Truman” (in the same year the Indians last won the World Series!), the late edition wont be running a retraction 😉
  
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  November 3, 2016 6:17pm
Don the Kiwi

YoYay.

A Prophecy – Trump will be President !!! 😉
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November 3, 2016 5:51pm
- Reid
  
  It ain’t rocket science Don. Trouble is, the people who think he’s a clown and a buffoon don’t really understand who he really is and the people who don’t think he’s that don’t really understand him either. And naturally, neither do I.
  
  All I know is, he probably won’t start a nuclear war whereas the alternative definitely would have, before Mossad got involved in taking her down via its Wikileaks operation. And that’s good enough for me. I’d prefer not to have a nuclear war thanks anyway.
  
  So were I you Don I’d put a hold on the smiley’s for now, till we see where this dude’s loyalties lie.
  
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  November 3, 2016 6:21pm
Reid

It makes me laugh seeing sheeple all over the world falling hook line and sinker for the anti-Putin transparent propaganda. I mean, don’t sheeple know anything at all?

The West is literally soaked in propaganda. Every day. Everywhere. 24/7/365. The only place Westerners can escape it is the interweb, and this is only because closing certain sites down would reveal the West to be as China, and even Western leaders aren’t dumb enough to do that.

Lord Denning, the greatest English mind possibly ever, when a defence barrister in his early years, used first to prepare the case for the Prosecution before turning to his. Message is: understand the other side. You don’t have to agree with it, so long as you understand it.

And that’s really why it’s worth understanding Russia for what it is, rather than what Western propaganda portrays it as.

The Russian media just loves the campaign to demonize Putin
http://thesaker.is/the-russian-media-just-loves-the-campaign-to-demonize-putin/
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November 3, 2016 5:56pm
Reid

NYPD Blows Whistle on New Hillary Emails: Money Laundering, Sex Crimes with Children, Child Exploitation, Pay to Play, Perjury

New York Police Department detectives and prosecutors working an alleged underage sexting case against former Congressman Anthony Weiner have turned over a newly-found laptop he shared with wife Huma Abedin to the FBI with enough evidence “to put Hillary (Clinton) and her crew away for life,” NYPD sources told True Pundit.

NYPD sources said Clinton’s “crew” also included several unnamed yet implicated members of Congress in addition to her aides and insiders.

The NYPD seized the computer from Weiner during a search warrant and detectives discovered a trove of over 500,000 emails to and from Hillary Clinton, Abedin and other insiders during her tenure as secretary of state. The content of those emails sparked the FBI to reopen its defunct email investigation into Clinton on Friday.

But new revelations on the contents of that laptop, according to law enforcement sources, implicate the Democratic presidential candidate, her subordinates, and even select elected officials in far more alleged serious crimes than mishandling classified and top secret emails, sources said.

NYPD sources said these new emails include evidence linking Clinton herself and associates to:
Money laundering
Child exploitation
Sex crimes with minors (children)
Perjury
Pay to play through Clinton Foundation
Obstruction of justice
Other felony crimes

NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices.

“What’s in the emails is staggering and as a father, it turned my stomach,” the NYPD Chief said. “There is not going to be any Houdini-like escape from what we found. We have copies of everything. We will ship them to Wikileaks or I will personally hold my own press conference if it comes to that.”

The NYPD Chief said once Comey saw the alarming contents of the emails he was forced to reopen a criminal probe against Clinton.

“People are going to prison,” he said…

…The new emails contain travel documents and itineraries indicating Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, Weiner and multiple members of Congress and other government officials accompanied convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein on his Boeing 727 on multiple occasions to his private island in the U.S Virgin Islands, sources said. Epstein’s island has also been dubbed Orgy Island or Sex Slave Island where Epstein allegedly pimps out underage girls and boys to international dignitaries.

Both NYPD and FBI sources confirm based on the new emails they now believe Hillary Clinton traveled as Epstein’s guest on at least six occasions, probably more when all the evidence is combed, sources said. Bill Clinton, it has been confirmed in media reports spanning recent years, that he too traveled with Epstein over 20 times to the island.

It’s good that NYPD Chief who apparently is one below a Commissioner saying that, isn’t it. Here it is again if you skimmed it.

“What’s in the emails is staggering and as a father, it turned my stomach,” the NYPD Chief said. “There is not going to be any Houdini-like escape from what we found. We have copies of everything. We will ship them to Wikileaks or I will personally hold my own press conference if it comes to that.”

http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/
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November 3, 2016 6:10pm
- mikenmild
  
  500,000 emails? How long was she SofS for?
  
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  November 3, 2016 6:33pm
  - Reid
    
    Figure bandied previously was circa 600k mm. Perhaps Epstein required a lot of favours.
    
    Epstein’s background is worth looking into. He has only one client, a billionaire, who seeded him to start and head an investment fund, which provides 100% of his income. All his places were wired with CCTV. He was almost certainly generating blackmail material because this is one way intelligence agencies and other parties control politicians. Think of AIPAC, only much more “persuasive.”
    
    That’s who Epstein was, and is. Above are described some of his “clients.” A small sample.
    
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    November 3, 2016 6:51pm
    - mikenmild
      
      500-600,000 emails? Clinton was in office for four years. That’s an email every three or four minutes around the clock 365 days a year.
      
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      November 3, 2016 6:55pm
      - Ross12
        
        They are not necessarily all hers. Could be a whole section of the Department but also probably includes a lot of admin type mail.
        
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        November 3, 2016 7:18pm
      - Reid
        
        There was a redirection put in by one of them mm I think Weiner. Allegation is he wanted some life insurance lest things go South. Evidently, he’s not just his namesake, which surprised me as well.
        
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        November 3, 2016 7:31pm
      - EAD
        
        600,000 emails? Clinton was in office for four years. That’s an email every three or four minutes around the clock 365 days a year.
        
        Why don’t you apply the same kind of numerical reasoning to the 6 millllllllllllion myth you don’t want to hear any discussion on?
        
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        November 3, 2016 8:12pm
- Ed Snack
  
  That’s not a particularly reliable website Reid, very large quantities of salt required. Mind you. it wouldn’t particularly surprise me if some of it were correct.
  
  Funny how the absolute self convinced masters of the smears, dirty politics, and lords of the media are being done over by amateurs using the self same playbook. Kind has karma written all over it.
  
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  November 3, 2016 7:05pm
  - Reid
    
    Truth will out won’t it Ed, it always does.
    
    Trouble is, you can show people truth but you can’t make them see it.
    
    I never look at websites BTW, I look at articles and trust myself to determine veracity or otherwise. Thus I never care what a website purports otherwise than the articles I’ve read on it.
    
    I found I had to adopt this approach because I have eclectic tastes and the “reliable” sources cover hardly anything of significance these days at least in the West. Since the interweb is in its Wild West days because the authorities haven’t yet found a way to control it, I take advantage of that.
    
    Works for me.
    
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    November 3, 2016 7:41pm
- Gabby
  
  Now if the Trumps and Clintons ever travelled together, does the story embiggen or get disappeared?
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:07pm
Manolo

Could this happen in Mt Roskill?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899540/Go-away-shouldn-t-Don-t-come-corner-Yorkshire-no-white-residents.html

From the window of her flat overlooking the canal path in a suburb of Dewsbury in Yorkshire, a blonde woman watches two female figures walking past as they chatter in a foreign tongue.

Both the passers-by are covered in black Islamic gowns, only a glimpse of their eyes show from the 2 in gap in the veils across their faces.

They, like many Muslim women who live here, speak little or no English. Lots of them will have no contact with any person from another religion or culture. Almost all have been brought to the UK to wed the British men of south Asian heritage who have made this area their home.
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November 3, 2016 6:20pm
- Reid
  
  Yes. Strange there’s no outspoken media support for the poor downtrodden white community in Savile Town, isn’t it.
  
  How peculiar.
  
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  November 3, 2016 6:37pm
- Jack5
  
  This is an example of why we can never again have open entry to NZ for people with British citizenship.
  
  We don’t want these Muslims moving to NZ.
  
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  November 3, 2016 7:49pm
  - Reid
    
    Now you know how the Aussies feel about us Jack.
    
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    November 3, 2016 7:56pm
  - Morrissey
    
    We don’t want these Muslims moving to NZ.
    
    Seventy years ago, people like you were writing, “We don’t want these Jews moving to NZ.”
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:31pm
Scott

Trump’s going to win and by a lot. Hillary’s not getting near the white house. She and Bill are more likely for the jail house.
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November 3, 2016 6:36pm
nasska

With the glacial pace of Yank courts, not to mention the appeal process, the Clintons would be about a 120yrs old by the time they sight a prison gate.

Yet hopefully we may see their cancerous influence over their country’s politics die a public death.

The Electoral College will decide.
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November 3, 2016 6:48pm
- Reid
  
  If the revelations continue Obama will never be able to pardon her and that’s something I bet she’s spending most of her time on now, stitching that deal together. But he’s not going to commit until the revelations stop.
  
  It could easily end in a truce, with the guilty quietly resigning and standing down over a few years period so the sheeple don’t notice and neither sadly, will the media. But pardon is looking out of the question as of right now isn’t it.
  
  What a shame..
  
  However, if there is a full trial of everyone and it all comes out: “where is the American People’s faith in their govt?” will be the argument made to sweep it all under the rug cos the dummies won’t ever notice.
  
  Sad part being of course, most of them won’t.
  
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  November 3, 2016 7:02pm
starboard

Fuel company confirms they are scum..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/86048939/caltex-warned-its-service-station-owners-of-regulator-raids
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November 3, 2016 6:55pm
- Jack5
  
  There’s one oil company in NZ that seems to employ mainly South Asians.
  
  Let’s hope they aren’t being exploited in the same way as the employees of the Australian service station franchise holders.
  
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  November 3, 2016 7:52pm
  - Reid
    
    Which one Jack?
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      There are only about half a dozen chains (in the south, five). Shop around and you’ll see. Actually they are good people to deal with. I just hope they aren’t being exploited.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:50pm
mikenmild

Only the bad people should be concerned:

Mr Key said if people were really concerned about privacy, it was not the spy agencies they should be worried about.
“The truth in reality is that Facebook and Google and a whole bunch of other multinational websites and companies understand a lot more about your activities, quite frankly, than the spy agencies do.”
Mr Key said spy agencies have to operate, for the most part, in a warranted environment.
“It’s for a very small and discreet number of people, hardly anyone, to get on their radar. There really has to be something really big going down.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/317229/google-more-of-a-worry-than-spy-agencies-pm
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November 3, 2016 7:02pm
- Reid
  
  If you’re a baddy there are two ways to live in the 21st century: off the grid or get lost in the noise.
  
  The GCSB must deal with both.
  
  The only way to deal with the latter throughly and with accuracy and given that baddies are normally discovered in the midst of long term operations, not when they’re starting out, therefore you often need to replay things when you’re investigating.
  
  They have software that identifies significant associates and can run a timeline going back as far as you want viewing anything you want, for the principal and/or any associate(s), be it CCTV footage, bank account transactions, cellphone position fixes, recorded conversations (tape your cam up on your PC if you don’t want to be recorded), phone calls, either separately or all of them as they happened, during the selected time period.
  
  The only way to re-create this is to vacuum everything up and store it, which is what they do and why they do it.
  
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  November 3, 2016 7:24pm
Ed Snack

Mike, even bad people use google.

And here’s todays thought, this election is like “chose the form of your destructor”
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November 3, 2016 7:06pm
- Reid
  
  I choose Molgorth, of Zandar.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:16pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Na, Cthulu, why settle for a lesser evil
    
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    November 3, 2016 10:18pm
RF

Friends in Christchurch are going berserk because of a very stupid woman with the title of Christchurch Art Gallery Director. She has gone public stating that the cost of public art should be kept from rate payers.

The rate payers had forked out over $500,000.00 for two statues no one really wanted. Even the mayor was not told of the costs.

What a Stupid old bat.
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November 3, 2016 8:19pm
- Jack5
  
  This after the people of Christchurch spent $59.6 million refurbishing the art gallery after quake damage.
  
  Christchurch has an art gallery that wouldn’t be out of place in a city of 3 million people rather than 300,000.
  
  Yet at times, art lovers have talked about the great and more interesting art exhibitions in Dunedin with its far more modest gallery buildings.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:47pm
Happychappy

Did Winz give a fire cracker allowance to to all welfare beneficiary’s today as the noise won’t help those who go to bed early in my town tonight
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November 3, 2016 8:20pm
- dad4justice
  
  Talking of beneficiary’s why are they not drug tested like us workers as most of the parasitic lazy pricks are higher than sky rockets!!
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:37pm
  - nasska
    
    You knew you were up for a lifetime’s worth of pissing in a cup when you signed up as a shoe salesman Dad. 🙂
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:43pm
    - dad4justice
      
      The old shoe salesman joke is like the stale piss you Hillbilly types drink down on the farm 🙂
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:49pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Double take alert.
        
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        November 3, 2016 8:51pm
- mikenmild
  
  Just ban fireworks sale altogether.
  
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  November 3, 2016 8:40pm
  - nasska
    
    And give up celebrating Guy Fawkes’ death?
    
    You do realise that he was Catholic Mike? 🙂
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:46pm
    - mikenmild
      
      We could still burn effigies of the Pope on bonfires without frightening my animals.
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:52pm
    - Viking2
      
      Well that opens all sorts of doors doesn’t it.
      fiddle fiddle while the houses burn.
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:06pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Go put a sky rocket up you know where milkey!
    
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    November 3, 2016 8:51pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Hagley Park?
      
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      November 3, 2016 8:52pm
  - Viking2
    
    WHY?
    
    Nanny.
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:05pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Why ban fireworks sales? Because they are a menace to property, animals and peace and quiet.
      And yes, I played with fireworks back when there were real crackers and skyrockets.
      Just go to the public displays.
      
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      November 3, 2016 9:22pm
- Gabby
  
  Get your spelling homework done before your Milo.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:00pm
Zed

Even Louis Farrkhan agrees with Trump’s refugee vetting policy…where is MSM on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2itYutAuc4
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November 3, 2016 8:20pm
rightoverlabour

definitly worth watching for a whole bunch of reasons. Milo handling a BBC reporter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3K1pGN-O8I
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November 3, 2016 8:38pm
Jack5

An example of why many in the West are having second thoughts about the benefits of free trade (when often it’s free in only one direction).

The State-owned Chinese steel industry is taking over world steel making.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/30/britain-sacrifices-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-china/
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November 3, 2016 8:44pm
- Reid
  
  Jack very interesting article, thank you.
  
  The fact remains that China is still adding extra capacity, albeit of a greener kind than the dirty micro-mills of the smog bowl.
  
  The giant state producer Sinosteel – with $16bn of debts – was rescued from bankruptcy in October. The reforms failed their first big test. UBS estimates that the 100 biggest steel producers in China lost $11bn in the first ten months of last year. The state plugged the hole.
  
  The Commie Party of China needs to keep the economy growing lest people think its One Party System isn’t quite so wonderful after all and a population of Asians isn’t as easy to fool with fake numbers as some [ahem] other races so they gotta do some serious trickery with the numbers but combine that with the endemic asian bribery lifestyle and you have a powderkeg.
  
  Britain’s special relationship with China is becoming more expensive by the day. It now threatens to destroy the British steel industry, a foundation pillar of our manufacturing economy…
  
  …If this is correct, and if allowed to run its course, Europe would be finished as an industrial and military region. It would be civilisational suicide.
  
  This is what China potentially represents to every country across every industry. How that can or should be managed I have no idea but it’s a phenomena that we and more especially our children will need to get used to and deal with.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:20pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Sure, but that means the Chinese are paying us to take their steel. Sounds like a good deal to me. For the Chinese, maybe not so much.
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ed, do you think Chinese steel’s still going to be cheap when there’s no-one else you can buy steel from?
    
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    November 3, 2016 11:24pm
Viking2

Christchurch police pour $20,000 worth of confiscated alcohol down the drain.

Constable Bridget McLaren, left, sergeant Jon Harris and exhibits officer John Bramhall dispose of approximately $20,000 worth of confiscated liquor at Christchurch Central on Thursday.

French champagnes, $800 red wines, expensive cognac and 18-year-old whisky have all gone down the drain at the Christchurch Police Station.

About $20,000 worth of confiscated booze was tipped out on Thursday, made up of 52 litres of spirits, 154 litres of wine and 137 litres of beer.

Sergeant Jon Harris confiscated the 343 litres of booze, in 493 bottles, in June this year after visiting a Christchurch restaurant displaying alcohol for sale without a licence.

The haul included some “pretty exclusive alcohol”, he said.

“There was some $800 bottles of red wine which were pretty painful to tip out.”

The Cantonese restaurant, called Lin’s Tomoei, had its on-licence revoked in August 2015.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86048974/christchurch-cops-pour-20000-worth-of-confiscated-alcohol-down-the-drain?cid=facebook.post.86048974

Apart from the nanny status that enforced this here is the problem.

Ecan and various other water control authorizes have been trying to clean up the water ways. As can be seen in the video’s these useless cops are polluting the storm water system with bottles and bottles of alcohol.

I await someone from Ecan prosecuting these dopey turkeys.
There is a reason they are called plods!
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November 3, 2016 8:59pm
- Gabby
  
  How many kidneys did it go through before it hit the drains.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:01pm
- mikenmild
  
  Why couldn’t they auction it off?
  Maybe that would need a private member’s bill from Nuk Korako.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:01pm
  - Viking2
    
    Quite right MM.
    Would have raised a dollar or two for the Kids hospital or some such good cause, but, them’s in CHCH have got so used to being fed money by the taxpayers that it’s of little consequence cause there’s always plenty to had at the alter of St Nat. with Brownlees as boss
    
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    November 3, 2016 9:11pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Hapuku steaks tonight with a lovely Rapaura chardonnay.
  Then I read Viking 2’s story about this waste.
  Please excuse my language as my lexicon is so small; my vocabulary is so limited;
  This is a total and absolute fucking outrage.
  Top quality piss must be filtered by kidneys before it is put down the drain.
  
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  November 3, 2016 9:24pm
- RF
  
  Bloody thick useless plonkers……
  
  In my day we used to take it to nursing homes for retired war Vets. etc… not the animal ones …
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:31pm
Viking2

Stupid fucking Bradford displaying her ignorance once more.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86065324/nine-arrested-after-protest-group-storm-manpowers-auckland-office
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November 3, 2016 9:15pm
Viking2

Holiday home owners may be liable for accidents involving paying guests

Holiday home owners and Airbnb operators can be held responsible if paying guests are injured as a result of poor maintenance.

Worksafe has confirmed that, like regular landlords, holiday home owners and Airbnb operators renting out their properties are covered by the Health and Safety Act because they are involved in a business transaction.

It’s estimated there are at least 15,000 holiday homes on the rental market and more than 17,000 Airbnb operators throughout the country.

Worksafe chief executive Gordon MacDonald said owners had to manage risks and take “reasonably practicable” steps to ensure guest safety.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/85993062/holiday-home-owners-may-be-liable-for-accidents-involving-paying-guests
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November 3, 2016 9:20pm
- Reid
  
  The P.C. Psychobabble Bullshit brigade reach full bray after starting only 12 or so months ago and spending many precious taxpayer dollars.
  
  After starting their execrable journey to ruin everyone’s lives, the PCPBb…
  
  Don’t you just wish that would be the headline story on stuff or herald tom morning…
  
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  November 3, 2016 10:07pm
tom hunter

I’m seriously fried! Phone conversations with old friends in Chicago in tears. Facebook insanity!. Emails from old friends in NZ who knew of my sad hobby!

Utter, utter bliss. Really could not give a shit about the US election in a week.

These are the saddest of possible words:
“Tinker to Evers to Chance.”
Trio of bear cubs, and fleeter than birds,
Tinker and Evers and Chance.
Ruthlessly pricking our gonfalon bubble,
Making a Giant hit into a double
Words that are heavy with nothing but trouble:
“Tinker to Evers to Chance.”

Tinker to Evers to Chance.
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