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Chuck Bird

I certainly will not be wearing a white feather today. Will any Kiwiblogger?

Domestic violence: data shows women are not the only victims

http://bobmccoskrie.com/?p=18098#sthash.kDt9Npmd.oCnRYlzj.dpbs

https://youtu.be/AUOUFh4TUnk
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November 25, 2016 8:04am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Domestic Violence: woman are half the problem.
  
  Females are as likely IF NOT MORE likely to instigate domestic violence.
  
  “Rape Culture”, “Gender wage gap” etc are all feminist man hating propaganda which does not hold up to even basic scrutiny of the facts.
  
  #Feminism is cancer
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:11am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Females are as likely IF NOT MORE likely to instigate domestic violence
    
    What exactly is the evidence base that supports that statement?
    
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    November 25, 2016 8:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      The evidence is because it ” feels” it is right .
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:25am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Same for you stephieGoy, produce the evidence/stats demonstrating that men are the majority instigators of DV.
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:35am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Here is TIME magazine, surely a faggoty enough Left publication that stephieGoy would consider legit:
        
        “Research showing that women are often aggressors in domestic violence has been causing controversy for almost 40 years, ever since the 1975 National Family Violence Survey by sociologists Murray Straus and Richard Gelles of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire found that women were just as likely as men to report hitting a spouse and men were just as likely as women to report getting hit. The researchers initially assumed that, at least in cases of mutual violence, the women were defending themselves or retaliating. But when subsequent surveys asked who struck first, it turned out that women were as likely as men to initiate violence—a finding confirmed by more than 200 studies of intimate violence.In a 2010 review essay in the journal Partner Abuse, Straus concludes that women’s motives for domestic violence are often similar to men’s, ranging from anger to coercive control.”
        
        http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/
        
        #FEMINISM IS CANCER
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:43am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “The evidence is because it ” feels” it is right .”
        
        We are still waiting stephieGoy for your evidence that men are the majority instigators of DV…
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:48am
      - howitis
        
        stephieGoy:-
        ….It’s unusual for men to be seriously injured or killed by a woman…..
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        Oh right, so it is OK that Women deliver physical violence because men don’t get hurt by it.
        
        What a crock of shit added in with the fact you now admit women do lash out with frequency…it just does NOT COUNT.
        
        That is the issue> cops, courts, Govt agencies, refuge places etc do not acknowledge the physical violence by women.
        ergo official stats are wrong.
        
        Don’t we want equality?
        Everybody counts or nobody counts.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:11am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Is it okay to give then a bit of mild physical discipline if they leave the house without the husbands permission?
        
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        November 25, 2016 12:30pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Where is your evidence that supports the Feminist narrative that men are the majority culprits in DV incidences?
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:34am
      - stephieboy
        
        The task for you is a simple one . Support you claims backed up by evidence and facts . ( stats are not a necessary pre requisite )
        
        The Time quote rebutted here ,
        
        Myth 6: The focus on male abusers is unfair – women abuse men too!
        
        In all family domestic violence statistics in Aotearoa, the vast majority of victims of violence are women and the majority of violent perpetrators are men. This is the same across the world. Some women are violent towards their children and partners, but the causes and effects of women’s violence are often different than men’s violence. It’s unusual for men to be seriously injured or killed by a woman, and very few men live in fear of their lives because of their female partner’s violence.”
        
        http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/10-domestic-violence-myths-busted
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:44am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        stephieGoy:
        
        “The Time quote rebutted here ,
        
        Myth 6: The focus on male abusers is unfair – women abuse men too!”
        
        LOL, your source has ZERO references to any research, it is just a talking point copy paste from the NZ Women’s Refuge site.
        
        Nice try stephieGoy.
        
        The task for YOU, is a simple one, come up with the studies that prove your sick Feminist man hating opinions.
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:52am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        “The findings of an in-depth domestic violence study, which showed violent conduct almost evenly split between the genders, are potentially cause for concern, a senior police officer says.
        
        South Canterbury Family Violence Co-ordinator Senior Constable Steve Wills was reacting to the findings of an analysis forming part of the world-renowned Dunedin Study, which has focused closely on the lives of more than 1000 people born in Dunedin in the year ending March 1973.”
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/81025573/domestic-violence-study-presents-challenging-picture
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        Jazz-Hands Mc Feels , demonstrate that these 2007 figures have significantly altered in favour of men ?
        
        Family Violence and Gender Fact Sheet October 2007
        
        n 2005/6 NZ Police apprehended 25,356 male family violence offenders compared to 4,135 female offenders.17
        
        In 2005 92% of those applying for Protection Orders were female.
        
        https://nzfvc.org.nz/sites/nzfvc.org.nz/files/factsheet-gender-1.pdf
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:00am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        stephieGoy:
        
        “Jazz-Hands Mc Feels , demonstrate that these 2007 figures have significantly altered in favour of men ? ”
        
        “Family Violence Clearing House” with a hippy arts n craft design logo – LOL, that is your source?
        
        Your source is yet more feminist propaganda, none of the points provided prove that men are more likely to instigate DV.
        
        You really are an evil little man hating feminist.
        
        Please demonstrate how the studies I have linked to DO NOT indicate that females are as likely to instigate DV.
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:05am
      - MickMac
        
        Sorry to burst your bubble Jazz,
        but most of the call outs to domestics on Fri Sat nights we had, were drunk men doing over the wife and or the kids as they defended mummy.
        
        usually started by arguements about money, drinking, other women and the biggie “why can’t I have sex, so what if I’m drunk”
        
        That isn’t to say that women do deliberately trigger with words/looks and sometimes downright physical actions.
        But mostly it was men and their behaviour.
        
        Kicking a 5 yr old across the room because he doesn’t like you “bitch slapping” his mummy isn’t manly behaviour surely?
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:03am
      - kowtow
        
        Mickmac
        
        Calls out to the feral underclass.
        
        I don’t doubt your anecdotal evidence re Fri/Sat jobs.
        
        But what about Sundays to Friday?
        
        I wouldn’t mind speculating that police statistics in relation to the same demographic , and here I include all members of the “family” , male and female, adult and child are taken up by the very same people you visited on Friday and Saturday. Be it dog complaints, noisy parties,bail checks, summons and warrant processing,abandoned/unlicensed/unwarranted vehicles, theft in its numerous forms ,drug abuse , truancy, fighting……
        
        ……and then we could move to the social statistics. Those same folk are the majority of beneficiaries, state housing, incarceration,illiteracy, hospitalisation …….
        
        It’s not just the blokes , it’s a whole sub culture.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:18am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Albert did you look at my links.
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:37am
    - cmm
      
      This is deeply embedded in popular culture too. We even see this in the movies:
      
      Movie where female slaps/punches/abuses male: Romantic comedy
      
      Movie where male slaps woman: Violent dark etc etc.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Jazz-Hands Mc Feels ,may I suggest that you spend some constructive time considering the NZ 2007 police stats I cited and demonstrate how they have been tuned around today in favour of males ?
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:57am
      - GoVege
        
        Cmm: can you imagine how bad our DV rates would be if movies showed male violence against women as something NOT “dark, violent”?
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:10am
  - G152
    
    Nagging ????
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Uk definition. No doubt coming this way before the end of the decade.
      
      “The cross-government definition of domestic violence and abuse is: any incident or pattern of incidents of controlling, coercive, threatening behaviour, violence or abuse between those aged 16 or over who are, or have been, intimate partners or family members regardless of gender or sexuality.”
      
      What a can of worms.
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:25am
      - GoVege
        
        Sounds confusing huh?
        The decider should be: does one person fear the other?
        BTW: don’t think it’s all the “feral underclass”, kowtow.
        They’re just the noisiest.
        I know a church minister who frequently gave his wife black eyes, an architect who cracked his wife’s head with the phone when she tried to call the police, a social worker who locked all the doors of the house before he gave his wife a hiding, all white guys.
        But non-white cultures are much worse.
        
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        November 25, 2016 2:34pm
  - stephen2d
    
    Someone is not getting laid enough.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:22am
  - GoVege
    
    Jazz: the evidence is in the murder stats.
    Name me ONE man who was stalked and murdered by a woman.
    Some stroppy women may start a few fights, but they are rarely guilty of the extreme violence of some men.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:04am
    - kowtow
      
      Aileen Wuornos.
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:22am
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry, kowtow, thought we were discussing NZ.
        In any case, butch lesbians are the exception to the rule because they behave like males not females.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:33am
      - GoVege
        
        How many hookers have been murdered by men versus the number of clients murdered by Aileen?
        And how many of those male killers were executed like Aileen?
        
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        November 25, 2016 12:59pm
    - starboard
      
      that fruitcake in ‘play misty for me’ lol
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:13am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Sharon Stone – Basic Instinct
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:45am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Name me ONE man who was stalked and murdered by a woman
      
      Try Douglas Stuart Gardner.
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:53am
      - GoVege
        
        Look up “stalk” in the dictionary.
        Gardener was never stalked.
        He was drugged and killed in a case of battered woman syndrome.
        
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        November 25, 2016 7:07pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        That is crap. Gaye Oakes gave as good as she got. I followed the case closely and have transcripts. She was pissed that he was going back to his ex wife.
        
        It is an outrage that the man hating dykes that were involved before and after the murder were not charged.
        
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        November 25, 2016 7:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        Chuck: didn’t the judge say he was molesting the teenage daughter?
        I dont know the case as well as you do, but I would be amazed if she did it for revenge.
        It was a terrible thing to do, but at least he didn’t suffer the fear that female victims of DV go through.
        As for the “man hating dykes”, there were some real nutters running the refuges back then.
        Hope they’ve cleaned the outfit up a bit since.
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:40pm
  - GoVege
    
    Stop being childish, Jazz.
    I hate the word “feminism” because it conjures up images of strident man-hating (and women-abusing) female bullies.
    Men and women are different, and most men can’t help being more likely to physically assault due to their extra testosterone.
    We just need to help them not to.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:40am
  - GoVege
    
    Jazz, I’ve been told that Time is a “right-wing” publication!
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:59am
  - GoVege
    
    Has some b*tch been beating you up Jazz?
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:22pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Gee Chuck; why doesn’t that surprise me.
  
  I won’t be participating in the local White Ribbon parade. I broadly support the intentions of the White Ribbon movement, but condemning of violence towards women should be a given every day, and isn’t something that needs to be paraded publicly.
  
  Yes; of course women assault men, and that should be condemned as well; domestic violence in NEVER ok. But your “white feather” jibe is beneath you Chuck, and hints at an underlying agenda on your part.
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:21am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    The point is men are being demonised and unfairly blamed.
    
    And you are playing along with it.
    
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    November 25, 2016 8:40am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Men who give women the bash deserve to be demonised. So do women who give men the bash, and so do those in same-sex relationships who use violence.
      
      If a movement like White Ribbon can change the behaviour of men who use violence against women and children, then we all benefit.
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:48am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Demonising anyone isn’t a good thing, sorry but its true.
        
        Just take a look at feminists – sad bitter creatures with black hearts, who will die alone in their flat, their body found days later chewed on by her cats trapped in the flat with her…
        
        #FEMINISM IS CANCER
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:00am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        KS, you do not achieve a good outcome by lies and dishonesty be it AGW or domestic violence.
        
        Did you read the item in the link I provided or watch the video?
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:07am
      - lilman
        
        Fair comment,cant argue with that.
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      as I posted before that is a myth,
      
      Myth 6: The focus on male abusers is unfair – women abuse men too!
      
      In all family domestic violence statistics in Aotearoa, the vast majority of victims of violence are women and the majority of violent perpetrators are men. This is the same across the world. Some women are violent towards their children and partners, but the causes and effects of women’s violence are often different than men’s violence. It’s unusual for men to be seriously injured or killed by a woman, and very few men live in fear of their lives because of their female partner’s violence.”
      
      http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/10-domestic-violence-myths-busted
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:02am
      - cmm
        
        Maybe in Aotearoa, but what about New Zealand?
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:42am
    - GoVege
      
      If men are being “demonized and unfairly blamed”, then how come we have a man who beat his partner so badly she was in a wheelchair afterwards, back on radio?
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:12am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Lol
        
        GoVege refutes statement contesting sweeping generalisation …. with a sweeping generalisation.
        
        This is the thing I love most about the fascists on the left – the complete and total absence of anything resembling self-awareness.
        
        God bless you GoVege for making the rest of humanity look so smart!
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:37pm
      - GoVege
        
        Different Perspective: do explain which “sweeping generalization/s” you are referring to”.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:54pm
    - sam green
      
      Did the feminists at uni not invite you to their party Jazz?
      
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      November 25, 2016 6:37pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Actually KS, chucky might be onto something. I think I’ll can my SPCA donation because I got scratched by a kitten when I was a kid and the Wheelblacks can look elsewhere because a few years ago, a paraplegic backed her wheelchair onto my foot when we were in a lift.
    
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    November 25, 2016 12:12pm
- wiseowl
  
  Chuck.
  Take the opportunity to see ‘The Red Pill’ showing in Auckland 16th December.
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:59am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks but a little far to drive for a movie.
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:08pm
- thedavincimode
  
  OK, so you aren’t going to support a campaign against violence to women because women commit violence against men.
  
  Do you get out much?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:04am
  - cmm
    
    I think it is more a rejection of the whole anti-male narrative.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:17am
    - wiseowl
      
      cmm
      Correct.
      It is the agenda of feminists over the years that has distorted reality.
      I referred to the ‘Red Pill’ made over 4 years by a feminist who after seeing what was really going on, has changed her mind.
      Nasty lefty groups have managed to pressure cinemas to a point where they have pulled out of showing the film.That is disgusting.Happened in Melbourne last week.
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:10am
      - GoVege
        
        I’ve read some reviews, cmm, and it sounds pretty biased.
        The “feminist ” was only young so I wouldn’t treat it as gospel.
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:18am
- kowtow
  
  I’ll never wear one and I object to the police wearing them . They are making a very public and arguably political statement that certain “crime” is worse than others. They are joining the so called progressive bandwagon.
  
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  November 25, 2016 12:35pm
  - GoVege
    
    Some crime IS worse than others.
    Many of us avoid walking around the streets at night for fear of crime.
    Nobody should have to feel that way in their own home.
    For the same reason, home invasions are treated very seriously.
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:30pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      If you think it’s bad for you – you should try being a woman.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:04pm
- RF
  
  Years ago when I was in the job if you attended a domestic violence call it would be unusual not to advise coms. “K9 – returning with one”. Mostly males.
  
  Prior to this we used to spend ages trying to be peace makers and then having to come back later.
  
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  November 25, 2016 1:23pm
  - GoVege
    
    True.
    I remember the police being called to a violent disturbance which had scared the neighbours.
    It was started by a domineering Pacifica woman who assaulted her sister in law and called her every name in the book, for not providing enough food for the visiting dad.
    No charges were laid.
    A year or two later, she was beaten by her husband and gave birth to a dead baby.
    The only time this pr*ck was ever charged was when he assaulted a motorist.
    Wives, children and pets were off-limits back then.
    
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    November 25, 2016 2:17pm
Manolo

Another candidate emerges:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38074177

General David Petraeus, one of the United States’ most prominent military officers, has indicated he would be willing to serve in President-elect Donald Trump’s administration if asked.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he said: “The only response can be: ‘yes, Mr President’.”
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November 25, 2016 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Manolo, brilliant find ! Gen David Petraeus who shares a great deal in common with the President elect in more ways than one with the addition of leaking classified information to his mistress ,
  
  Timeline: The David Petraeus scandal,
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/23/timeline-general-david-petraeus-paula-broadwell-jill-kelley/26245095/
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:31am
  - fernglas
    
    Trump has problems with getting the right people. He said he would get experienced business people on board but wants Carson to run Housing. Carson himself doesn’t want the job because he has no experience in either housing or running anything. He wants Romney, but his supporters don’t, and I am astonished at Romney’s hypocrisy in even thinking about the Secretary of State job after his opposition to Trump. Giuliani wants the same job, but apparently has issues with conflicts of interest, and they can only afford one person with those issues. He is building the least experienced cabinet ever, and it is largely due to the fact that either the experienced and capable people don’t want him, or he doesn’t want them. Great stuff from the leaders of the free world.
    
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    November 25, 2016 8:40am
    - holysheet
      
      It’s called draining the putrid swamp that is the establishment of washington. There was always going to be a slight problem finding the right talent without being seen as conforming.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:26am
  - oldpark
    
    @stephieboy 8.31am
    
    Timeline: Pot v kettle
    
    Could you explain the association between your mate Mohammed and a nine year old child?
    
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    November 25, 2016 8:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      Pray tell me what does a 9 year old child got to with the David Petraeus scandal that includes leaking classified information to his mistress ?
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:06am
      - oldpark
        
        Your mate Mohammed and his nine year old child bride, a lot bigger scandal that the allegations against David Patraeus..Mohammed wrote a book on his nefarious actitivies.
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:34am
    - Gabby
      
      I don’t think Petraeus is a musselman, or indeed a 9 year old child. He’s a bit of an old fart though.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:26am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        wtf is a musselman? You mean a muscleman surely.
        You must try harder otherwise people will know you are a schoolkid
        
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        November 25, 2016 5:52pm
  - doggone7
    
    I read that link. Being naive I’m trying to work out why this post is down ticked.
    Because: 1) stephieboy posted it? 2) usatoday is an unreliable source? 3) An anti-Trump inference could be made? 4) David Petraeus has supporters here? 5) Memories of Peter Dunne and Andrea Vance have been stirred?
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      doggone7 , you need to understand that as regards Trump followers here you are dealing with followers of a religious cult where their leader is sacred canon .
      
      https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/09/03/world/moon-obit-1/moon-obit-1-superJumbo.jpg
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:33am
  - Manolo
    
    No need to rush, stephieboy. I do not care about the names mentioned, because the important stuff will happen after January 2o.
    
    By the way, can you now say President Trump without choking? Repeat after me…
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:42am
  - Inandout
    
    Probably not a pro Trump site you link-
    
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/22/plea-electoral-college-dump-trump-your-say/94300930/
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:12am
Don the Kiwi

No wonder Americans don’t like socialism – it was tried before Marx enunciated it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7ruzke39Qc
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November 25, 2016 8:15am
- jcuk
  
  Hardly a very accurate statement since over half of Americans vote for it come election time.
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:18am
SPC

Alt right CT has been turned on its head with news that

“Clinton received 7 per cent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines, compared to areas that used optical scanners and paper ballots.

Halderman, a leading authority on voting system security, said the only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result was to examine the paper ballots in crucial states.

“Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates in those states act now, in the next several days, to petition for recounts,” he said. Halderman is not the only one calling for an recount. There are growing calls for the election to be audited over fears of foreign interference.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11754227

The Green candidate is prepared to make the challenge necessary to have a recount.
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November 25, 2016 8:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Remember all those people who went apeshit when Trump hinted that he might not accept the election result. “It’s undemocratic” they said. “It’s unAmerican” they said.
  
  Who’s not accepting the election result now, and suggesting it was rigged? Hint; it’s NOT President-elect Donald Trump.
  
  Given that it’s Thanksgiving Day in the US, I give thanks for people who exhibit hypocrisy, because it makes commenting on blogs so much more fun!
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:25am
  - SPC
    
    It was the Alt-R who claimed that because of who owned the voting machines they would be rigged to help Clinton. Demonstrably untrue given the result. The interesting thing is that if this is the sort of discrepancy that they would have said proved their concerns.
    
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    November 25, 2016 8:31am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Hoist by their own petard, methinks SPC.
      
      Oh dear; how sad; never mind 😀
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:42am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Another day, another hypocrisy from the left. Still, the upside is that we get to see leftie heads explode all over again.
    
    On another note, Lena Dunham has decided not to flee to Canada after all. Lefties aren’t good for their word either.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:17am
    - holysheet
      
      All these snowflake lefties can flip flop on their numerous threats, but god forbid that Trump does the same.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:30am
- Andrei
  
  If You Want HONEST Elections… This Is What You Do
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:35am
  - MickMac
    
    And produce photo ID in order to vote….
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:08am
    - Andrei
      
      In Russia you need your passport to vote
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:17am
- Ross12
  
  SPC
  I think the Republicans might welcome a recount as long as it is a recount of ALL votes in every county.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:08am
  - SPC
    
    No I doubt it.
    
    In 2000, the SC ended the recount in Florida as sought by them. One imagines that if a recount starts the Republicans will try and shut it down once again.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:56am
    - Ed Snack
      
      SPC, the only way Gore could have succeeded in his challenge in Florida was if highly specific recounts were allowed, something they were trying for. They wanted only certain specific areas recounted and not others.
      
      Later investigations appear to all agree that:
      
      1. On the initial vote, Bush wins;
      2. On a full recount, Bush wins;
      3. On most partial recounts, Bush wins
      4. On certain highly specific recounts, a Gore majority can be produced.
      
      The SC got it right, a full recount or none; and Bush won fair and square.
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:16am
- Ed Snack
  
  SPC, it’s just another piece of the anti-Trump mania.
  
  1. The academics do not themselves ascribe it to hacking saying incorrect polling is a more likely explanation;
  
  2. The suggestion doesn’t pass elementary statistical checks; so if you control the data for class and education the effect disappears.
  
  3. In at least some of the areas said to be affected, the voting machines are controlled locally and are not connected to the internet at all. So any hacks would have to be local at the machine by machine level, and enormous campaign would be needed with a great many people.
  
  So just another predictable beat-up, part of the stages of grief; denial.
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack , another still sulking over your leader’s flip flop not to Jail Hillary ?
    
    And Petraeus never, never involved in any scandal including leaking classified information to his mistress ?
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:00am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Sulk, really ? You are desperate Stephieboy. Petraeus gave his biographer his private diary, which contained potentially classified information. And he was sanctioned for it, unlike Clinton. Your problem with that is ?
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:21am
VicParking

An example of RNZ’s balanced reporting on the Mt Roskill’s by election. First Wood, lots of Labour supporters saying they will vote Wood. Second, Parmjeet Parmar, how she is meeting during her meet and greets with lots of Labour supporters saying they will vote Wood.
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November 25, 2016 8:22am
oldpark

After listening to Mike Hoskings on Newstalk ZB this morning regarding the assault on him regarding a vacuum cleaner, plus his office habits. The attacks on him are from the woman known for her derogatory comments regarding NZ women ,her name M/S SMALLEY. Also attacking Mike is the holier than thou pair. Known as the agony aunt Kerre Mcivor,who used to make sure listeners had an early night,she reinvented herself with a real mammys boy called Mark Dye, who would not look, or sound out of place as a child, on Sesame Street. The mentioned who are employed by the same station, as Mike ,are so jealous of his popularity and success ,they are going out of their way to put the boot into him. Without Mike and Larry Williams Newstalk ZB would not be in the top ten of radio stations in NZ. Smalley, Mcivor.and mammys boy DYE ,pick up your game,and do the job ,you are paid for,not trying to destroy, your companys best assett.
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November 25, 2016 8:26am
- Kiwiladdy
  
  Has Mark Dye ever done anything of note in his life? I don’t mind listening to people I don’t agree with but Mark is intolerable because he is completely thick. No surprises there considering he started at ZM.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:00am
- Gabby
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Oh no, was Horeskin having intimacy with a hoover, again?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:08am
- doggone7
  
  Is assett a spelling mistake?
  
  In that context shouldn’t it be “arseset”?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:41am
  - Gabby
    
    asshead.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:31pm
SPC

How long will inland roads on the South Island have a 1000 trucks a day on them – when some of the cargo should be going direct to Christchurch by shipping?
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November 25, 2016 8:26am
- Ross12
  
  Does Lyttleton still an operating roll-on roll-off facility ? (ie it wasn’t damaged in their earthquake).
  I agree SPC the inland road will not last long, especially in the summer heat.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Inland Road, aren’t they going via Murchison and Springs Junction ? The inland route is Culverden to Kaikoura and is badly affected as well.
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:22am
Happychappy

I suppose the Green Party and our Rates cheat come second rate protester will be busy organizing a protest against the National Government and their MP Jo Goodyer because she will not tell them how she will vote on the Palm Oil Legislation being made in Australia this week.
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November 25, 2016 8:34am
itstricky

I know there are decent people frequenting here but the number of ‘she got what she deserved’ comments on the post about the murdered British MP yesterday was just sad.
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November 25, 2016 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  its tricky, unfortunately that is the nature of the alt right beast – vindictive , nasty and spiteful !
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I agree itstricky. It’s almost as bad as the gloating from the Left after the death of Baroness Thatcher.
  
  I’ll stick to my Dear Departed Dad’s good advice – if you don’t have anything nice to say about someone who has passed away, say nothing.
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:56am
  - GoVege
    
    Especially if they were murdered hafway through their life, rather than passing gently away in bed in their 90’s.
    
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    November 25, 2016 7:29pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      What a terribly ageist as well as a terribly sexist thing to say! Dancing in the streets and celebrating someone who broke through the glass ceiling before Hillary was old enough to be in to pizza is crassness of the highest order.
      
      Justifying the unjustifiable appears to be the main characteristic of the hypocrites on the Left.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:26pm
- EAD
  
  But that’s not what we said Tricky.
  
  We said it was a tragedy but there is much more to it than what is being told by the MSM.
  
  Most importantly there was no mention at all of the circumstances of Thomas Mair nor was there any context on the motives of the killer and what drove him to do it. The murder didn’t happen in a vacuum you know but not that the MSM would have you know that…..
  
  That doesn’t mean we condone it or think she “had it coming” – merely that there are HUGE failures from the political class that is causing massive division and alienation from the people they’re supposed to represent.
  
  What really was disconcerting for those of us able to keep our emotions in check was the level of hysteria that many on here displayed. Even laughably calling our critiques “Victim shaming”.
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, so Jo Cox was an expendable piece of chaff ?
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:36am
    - ross411
      
      You are aware that you’re asking him to agree with _your words_, not his?
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:03am
  - itstricky
    
    A. Who is “we”? You got 50% down ticks
    B. There were plenty of others who had a go after you including one incredibly classy “kill em & throw em in the offal pit” or some such thing.
    C. Publishing an article from a anti-Semitic white nationalist site, the sentiment of which boils down to “silly blint hypocrite got what she deserved” is NOT sympathy for a murder victim.
    D. Following up with “oh you’re just being too PC” does not excuse the lack of respect shown for a human life.
    
    Comprende? Understand? Kosher?
    
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    November 25, 2016 5:37pm
  - Aliog
    
    You are a pathetic piece of shit, EAD. A Jew-hating Nazi who claims to be a financial and economic guru! You are a hopeless loser – I don’t think you’ve posted a single piece of accurate information in all the years I’ve followed this blog. Wanker.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:25pm
pdm

Oldpark 8.26am

You forgot Leighton Smith whom I consider the best of them all.
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November 25, 2016 8:44am
- oldpark
  
  Fair Comment! pdm.
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Leighton ” tinder dry ” Smith ?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Brave young lads saving the world

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/nz-takes-home-fossil-of-the-day-awards-at-marrakech-climate-conference-2016111908
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November 25, 2016 8:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Eagerly looking forward to the President elect reviving the coal industry and fossil fuel burning power stations ?
  
  We might even arrange sometime to have one built next to you ?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now you’re not being vindictive , nasty and spiteful ! are you?
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:38am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, spiteful etc ] ? Not at all just alluding to your snide and sneering attacks on climate change advocates !
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:07am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t do snide or sneering, stephieboy.
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:45am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What are these people on? Certainly, New Zealand’s record on climate change isn’t pristine. But the world’s worst offender? Come on …
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, the end is nigh.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/humans-dont-have-10-years-left-thanks-to-climate-change—scientist-2016112408
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November 25, 2016 8:51am
- holysheet
  
  Keep up maggie dear, this was discussed yesterday.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hell, I nearly missed it….. imagine, I would have just blithely carried on in the morning of Nov 23 2026 doing the cleaning, baking Christmas pies, watering the garden, etc…. but now I’ll be prepared and have a whole day to practise my deathbed conversion speech.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:45am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      70+ age group are all laughing manically . . .
      Ten years, yeah really ? Kiss my shrivelled up arse mofo – bahahahahahaha
      
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      November 25, 2016 1:40pm
- Manolo
  
  Has Griff prepared his will already?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:39am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Might as well get my reverse mortgage up and running. I reckon I have 20 years+ left but fuck I gotta condense all that fun into 10
  
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  November 25, 2016 6:32pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Had the 1st 3 Strike sentence yesterday, a 25 year old sentenced to 7 years (the maximum) for touching a female prison officer’s bum. Due to extenuating circumstances the Judge decided not to make an order than the prison serve his full sentence without parole.
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November 25, 2016 8:55am
- Dave Mann
  
  What kind of crazy society are we running? There shouldn’t be female prison officers in a male prison. The first strike should go to the idiot who first suggested this stupid idea years ago.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:34am
Keeping Stock

I noticed that Nostalgia.

There’s an interesting sidelight though. I also spotted this on Twitter, from a friend:

Just watched @jacktame @Breakfaston1 minimise sexual assault against a female as a simple pinch of the bum & shouldnt get prison time

Given that it’s White Ribbon Day, isn’t it a bit ironic that Jack Tame, the current media darling of the Left, is minimising the indecent assault of a female prison officer by an inmate? Imagine the storm of outrage there would be if the likes of Paul Henry or Mike Hosking said “Oh, it was just a pinch of the bum”.

Anyone for double standards?
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November 25, 2016 9:02am
- waikatogirl
  
  The article yesterday said more like “the prisoner grabbed her buttock quite hard and held it for a couple of seconds”
  
  That is definitely more than a simple pinch of the bum.
  
  I agree young Jack Tame should not comment on things he doesn’t understand.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:09am
  - ross411
    
    That’s rather harsh, WG. It’s his chosen profession, he can’t just sit there and say nothing.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:06am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      We’d all pay to see that. Look – it’s Jack Tame – just sitting there. Saying nothing. Man alive – this sure is some kind of addictive must watch crack viewing.
      
      And now over to our manboy Jack . . . *.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,*
      
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      November 25, 2016 1:46pm
  - kowtow
    
    By their own hypocritical standards Lame should be sacked for that remark.
    
    There can be no such thing as “just a pinch on the bum”. It is indecent assault and he is therefore trivialising a very serious matter.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:36am
  - GoVege
    
    Seven years jail for 2 seconds of sore butt?
    Are we going Saudi Arabian?
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:01pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The only possible explanation is that prisoners sit higher on the left’s victim pyramid than women. Man it’s hard figuring out who can do what to whom and get away with it according to the left’s “rules”.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:28am
  - fernglas
    
    The sentencing judge said that in ordinary circumstances the assault would have warranted 12 months imprisonment, so it was not a trivial thing.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:58am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh I agree. My comment was directed at Jack Tame’s “expert” opinion on the matter.
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:18am
    - GoVege
      
      A men’s prison with hundreds of frustrated young men and a woman prison guard is definitely not “ordinary circumstances ” I’d say.
      
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      November 25, 2016 1:16pm
  - Gabby
    
    Folks who claim to have cleared 7 figures after tax should definitely keep their itchy little ponytail tugging pinchers and stealers to themselves.
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:00pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Alright, who switched the Ritalin with tic-tac’s?
      
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      November 25, 2016 2:50pm
Andrei

The four billion dollar white elephant
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November 25, 2016 9:04am
- Andrei
  
  And the disease is catching
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:05am
  - mikenmild
    
    How’s that Russian aircraft carrier getting along?
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23584/admiral-kuznetsov-sad-smoky-voyage/
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:26am
    - thedavincimode
      
      milky, that’s just how it communicates to the fleet and its planes – smoke signal
      
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      November 25, 2016 12:02pm
    - Paulus
      
      Believe it is in the Mediterranean port (Latakia area) now part of the newly annexed Russian State in what was called Syria.
      Assad has given Putin permission to establish new territory for Russia.
      It is a large military base of vessels, airports and army bases.
      Like Crimea and other territories once Russia annexes them they will never return.
      Gives Russia a Mediterranean port without her vessel having to go via the Bosphorus (ie under Turkey’s eyes) but still within the eyes of the Straits of Gibraltar. Presumably Putin will shitstir the Spaniards over Gibraltar soon.
      
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      November 25, 2016 1:52pm
      - kowtow
        
        No need for Putin to stir them. Current gummint has been stirring over Gib for some time now. Possibly as a distraction for the shit state of affairs Spain finds itself in. Nothing like a bit of distraction for the plebs you see.
        
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        November 25, 2016 4:24pm
CJames

Just heard the action wing of the Green Party on the radio saying that the fact that they discovered a crack in a brace on the platform structure for an off shore oil field, it shows how dangerous it is and they shouldn’t do any oil exploration because of it!
Just goes to show no hobbyhorse is to dodgy for them to jump onboard.
If we don’t have oil, how are the Gweens going to get to all those overseas talkfests to save the planet? Or do they think the great unwashed don’t notice the hypocrisy?
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November 25, 2016 9:08am
- cmm
  
  Didn’t you hear?
  
  They’re building a new plane out of bamboo and hemp. It will be fueled by algae.
  
  It will not have a cockpit (male) nor will it be pointy up front (male) and will be designed using love instead of computers because computers are also male.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:22am
Gabby

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
If we don’t have oil, the ‘gweens’ won’t need to be going anywhere now will they, jamiewamie?
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November 25, 2016 9:14am
Stars And Stripes

All this white ribbon stuff and raising awareness in the population is overrated in my opinion.
I work with a couple of long serving ex policeman in my town and they both say that about 70-80% of their domestic violence callouts were to the same addresses repeatedly.
Sure there were cases where a collar and tie guy gave his wife a black eye but these were not that common.
These addresses they were always at were ones where welfare dependency, CYFS involvement and criminal activity were the norm so domestic violence was part and parcel of the setup.
Point being you can educate the population all you like but the most regular offenders are unreachable as they are savage neanderthals who don’t respond to education and reasoning like the rest of the people.
About as useful as explaining the anti smacking law to them.
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November 25, 2016 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Stars And Stripes , are you also suggesting that your piece of anecdotal ” research ” suggests that domestic violence is largely female initiated and ” rich ” “respectables ” like you can never behave like your Neanderthals ?
  
  Myth 1: Violence only happens in poor Māori and Pacific Island families, right?
  
  Wrong. Domestic violence happens in all types of families; in urban and rural communities; in all ethnic and religious groups; and in rich, poor and middle-class families of any age and size.
  
  http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/10-domestic-violence-myths-busted
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:22am
  - GoVege
    
    SB: “DV happens in all types of families” is true, but the level of violence is much greater in Maori and P.I. families.
    And the frequency.
    Few Pakeha women suffer the degree and frequency of violence that other races do.
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Go Vege ,
      
      Evidence ?
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:08am
      - starboard
        
        Pull ya head out of yee arse and have a look around ..idiot.
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:18am
      - GoVege
        
        I’ve seen the evidence with my own eyes on the streets and in the homes and hospitals of Auckland, SB.
        You must understand that other cultures haven’t been raised with gender equality like us.
        The males get infuriated when their servants don’t obey and that escalates the severity of the beatings.
        
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        November 25, 2016 12:55pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Police Brown 7
        
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        November 25, 2016 1:51pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I don’t know why I bother really but just to humour you here is a response.
    Did I mention females being responsible for initiating DV? NO.
    Did I say only poor people from black families were responsible for all domestic violence?. NO.
    
    I still think you should do that reading and comprehension night class.
    Just to show what a nice guy I really am and to show sympathy for a Mt Roskill resident I will pay your course fee also.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:04am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I am willing to donate a copy of Dale Carnegie’s classic… (assuming I can find a 2nd hand copy in the Sallie’s store)
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, posting for me is not about winning popularity contests as you seem to strive for!
        
        “One word of Truth outweighs the whole world ”
        
        http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2009/03/one-word-of-truth-outweighs-the-whole-world/
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        
        I don’t have a great desire to be popular, and I’m not too bothered whether you are popular or not, … it’s the 2nd part of Dale Carnegie’s thesis that might be of interest to you…..
        “how to influence people”
        
        Slagging people off is not a very successful method, I gather.
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:50am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        In South Auckland their book is ‘how to hit a %&$#@& so he don’t get up’
        
        Kidding – they can’t read.
        
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        November 25, 2016 1:54pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Stars And Stripes , mine was a reasonble inference based on you past posts that often seek to denigrate Maori and other minority groups .
      
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      November 25, 2016 11:10am
      - starboard
        
        maori and PI’s should be issued with a wof before they even start thinking about having children..in the mean time stick to bum sex only.
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:20am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        If you really read my posts carefully and fully understood them you would actually notice that I just about denigrate everyone ranging from women with moustaches through to smelly people with fat arses.
        All encompassing bigots don’t discriminate.
        
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        November 25, 2016 12:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        You don’t do a fraction of the “slagging off” some other posters do here, SB.
        Especially JizzHands…
        
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        November 25, 2016 1:03pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Be nice if Stephie actually told the truth but he doesn’t. He constantly misrepresents what people says, his links often contradict what he says and he also is one of the most snarky a holes on here as he flies around leaving smart arse replies on people’s posts. He must have 20+ posts on this thread.
        So, sorry Vege, you obviously aren’t seeing what the rest of us see.
        Oh, and yes, Jazz is a troll.
        
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        November 25, 2016 1:12pm
      - GoVege
        
        Starboard: Pacifica women make wonderful mothers.
        The only problem is their men forcing them to have 10 kids.
        
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        November 25, 2016 1:13pm
- MickMac
  
  They should all have to have vasectomies.
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:12am
  - GoVege
    
    That wouldn’t work.
    Male chauvinists from other cultures equate masculinity with number of children sired.
    The main reason for global overpopulation…
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:08pm
    - RF
      
      I can remember my father fitting rubber rings on lambs tails. After some time they fall off. Thinking aloud I can think of another use for them. You would need a large bucket of KFC as bait.
      
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      November 25, 2016 5:40pm
G152

The South African cricket captain caught ball tampering and our little HDA without rifle appear to have the same surname
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November 25, 2016 9:18am
- mikenmild
  
  WTF?
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:30am
  - kowtow
    
    HDA
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:43am
EAD

This is brilliant – the alt-right guide on how to red-pill you woman:

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/11/22/how-to-red-pill-your-woman/

At this stage you don’t want to be combative. You’re aiming for introspection and a questioning of beliefs trained over a lifetime; don’t shoot for the moon(man) just yet.

-Isn’t it weird that every race is encouraged to express pride except ours?
– If your kid earned the same SAT scores and grades as a black kid, but he’s accepted to the university and yours isn’t, do you find that fair?
– Why do elites encourage diversity and then send their own kids to non-diverse private schools?
– Should we move to a primarily black neighborhood, where we can get more house for our money? Why not?
– If America is such a racist place, why do so many nonwhite immigrants want to live here?
– Groups of whites are always being told they’re too white. Why is the same never said about groups of Asians, blacks, or Hispanics?

Brilliant – come to think of it, I might use this on Mikenmild in order to shake him out of his stupor! 🙂
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November 25, 2016 9:32am
- dime
  
  struth!!!
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, whats stopping you doing some Maypole or Morris dancing or say Druid rites to celebrate your vision of white supremacism ,
  
  http://renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/nazi-maibaum1.jpeg.,
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:42am
- paul scott
  
  EAD “”Brilliant – come to think of it, I might use this on Mikenmild in order to shake him out of his stupor! “”
  It won’t work with Milken maid or Stephanie EAD, they’re not really girls, they just pretend.
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    paul scott struggling to make sense of himself !
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:16am
- GoVege
  
  You should move to a black/brown neighbourhood.
  The houses are cheaper and the school kids are nicer.
  Non-white immigrants move to the US because you get this amazing stuff called “freedom” including “of religion”.
  It’s very rare where they come from.
  Makes up for a bit of racism by a long way.
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:09pm
holysheet

News flash on Newshub
HDA is caught tampering with sopers balls
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November 25, 2016 9:35am
- Manolo
  
  No! That leathery, shriveled and wrinkled, almost desiccated, stuff cannot be tampered with.
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:38am
Manolo

Islamists at work?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/24/wildfire-blamed-on-terror-roars-through-israeli-city.html

A wildfire roared through parts of Israel’s third-largest city on Thursday, forcing tens of thousands of people to evacuate their homes as the country’s leaders raised the possibility that Arab assailants had intentionally set the blaze.
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November 25, 2016 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, before we rush to judgement fire officers and officials also suggest a two month drought in the area could be the cause ,
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38088651
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:48am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Manolo, before we rush to judgement fire officers and officials also suggest a two month drought in the area could be the cause ,’
    
    Cause huh.
    From YOUR link
    ‘Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan told Channel 10 TV news that eight people had been arrested.
    He said arson was suspected in about half of the fires and police had found “flammable materials and liquids poured in certain areas’
    
    I guess those arrested were from that infamous Drought family, Mohammed Drought and his brother Mustafa Drought.
    What an idiot.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      Dopey , this from my link suggests it was a reasonable inference on my part ,
      
      The fires follow a two-month drought and are being fanned by strong winds in the north of the city.
      
      Police chief Roni Alsheich said that if fires had been started deliberately it was “safe to assume… it is politically-motivated’’.
      
      Israel’s police chief said arson was suspected in some cases and PM Benjamin Netanyahu said any such attacks would amount to “terror”.
      
      PS still sulking over Donald’s flip flop over jailing Hilary ? ?
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:26am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes, I read that but you said CAUSE’, and ‘Reasonable inference’ when clearly it was arson. If you think the drought was a ‘reasonable inference’ then you’re the dopey one. But we all know that.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:30am
- Andrei
  
  Help is on the way
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:07am
paul scott

I once got beaten up by a 14 year old school girl. I didn’t even deserve it I don’t think. In those days I wore a hair piece. So to add insult to injury the kid ripped this off and threw it against the wall. After that I promised myself only to live with women without children from previous family.
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November 25, 2016 9:55am
- GoVege
  
  Sorry to hear that Paul.
  Some of those teenage girls are feisty.
  But did you actually fear for your life during the assault?
  For most women that is the problem.
  Many males are capable of actually killing them.
  
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  November 25, 2016 11:51am
paul scott

Will Mr. Farrar ever make posts about Immigration or Democracy again, or is that all hush, hush now that we know what will happen next year ?
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November 25, 2016 9:58am
Manolo

I reckon they can change her name to stephie and move to Mt Roskill.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3968016/Syrian-migrants-named-daughter-Angela-Merkel-gratitude-German-chancellor-asylum-application-REJECTED.html

A Syrian migrant family who named their daughter Angela Merkel in honour of the German chancellor have had their asylum application to remain in the country rejected.
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November 25, 2016 10:01am
stephieboy

Manolo, have you ever visited, stayed or lived to my next door suburb ?

Your total divorce from day to day reality suggests you never have .
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November 25, 2016 10:29am
- starboard
  
  Mt Somalia formerly Mt Roskill battlers suburb, now reduced to the biggest single shit hole in Auckland. Id prefer to live in Otara.
  
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  November 25, 2016 11:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard , whats stopping you ?
    
    http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/p15883nzh.jpg
    
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    November 25, 2016 2:01pm
    - starboard
      
      Same time you put down the chardonnay and move from your Mt Eden villa to a 3 bed ex state house in Mt Somalia. Be with your kin steffy in feralstan.
      
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      November 25, 2016 2:06pm
Manolo

Lutheran terrorism. The Frogs are left wide-open:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/terror-gang-set-hit-paris-dec-1-source-141610467.html

A jihadist terror ring was planning to attack Paris on December 1 and had researched sites including a Christmas market and Disneyland outside the capital as potential targets, a police source said Thursday.

Seven suspects were arrested in police raids last weekend in the eastern city of Strasbourg and Marseille in the south following an eight-month investigation by security services, although two were later released.
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November 25, 2016 10:35am
Manolo

A clash of progressives:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/24/eus-schulz-steps-down-fueling-german-eu-reshuffles.html

European Parliament President Martin Schulz is returning to German politics, raising the prospect he may challenge Angela Merkel as chancellor and prompting speculation of a reshuffle in European Union institutions.
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November 25, 2016 10:53am
Scott

Finally, Michigan has managed to count its votes and Trump was declared the winner. That means he has 306 electoral votes compared to 232 for Clinton.
And to think that the pollsters and the media were convinced that Hillary Clinton would win by a big margin and that Donald Trump had no chance to be president.

And then on election night when they found out how wrong they were they all began to cry.

It just makes one smile just thinking about it 🙂
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November 25, 2016 11:00am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , and Hillary Clinton leads the popular voter by far – 1.7 million ,
  
  “..With the last remaining ballots being counted, Mrs Clinton so far has 63.6 million votes compared to 61.9 million for her Republican rival – meaning she has received more votes than any other US presidential candidate in history except Barack Obama…”
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/us-election-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-donald-trump-electoral-college-a7429291.html
  
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  November 25, 2016 11:19am
  - holysheet
    
    Get over it stupidboy trump won killary lost.
    It’s not about who got the most votes. Your constant whining about it won’t change anything. Before you go to the mosque today say president trump as many times it takes to get through your thick skull. We won, you lost.
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:41am
    - sam green
      
      “We”?
      
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      November 25, 2016 7:35pm
    - Gabby
      
      Are you a yanker? That’s wholly shit I reckon.
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:22pm
  - Scott
    
    Umm – stephieboy the American presidency is not decided by the popular vote. It’s decided by the electoral college.
    
    If it was decided by the popular vote then candidates for president would never leave the major cities of Los Angeles and San Francisco and New York and Chicago.
    
    Also don’t forget that every pundit said that the Democrats have a major advantage in the electoral college and talked about the blue wall of Rust Belt states that reliably vote Democrat. So before the election not one Democrat remotely suggested changing the electoral college system.
    
    To suggest changing it now is just sour grapes. It’s time to accept the election result stephieboy.
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:49am
  - Manolo
    
    stephieboy, why haven’t you accepted Hillary lost? The ultra corrupt woman is gone forever!
    
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    November 25, 2016 11:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, yes President elect Trump has one but its useful to remind ourselves who was the most popular candidate vote wise .
      
      Try again and guess who was it ?
      
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      November 25, 2016 2:09pm
      - holysheet
        
        its useful to remind ourselves who was the most popular candidate vote wise .
        
        Why the fuck would we want to know this? It’s just the snowflakes trying to justify to them selves that they lost. Be a man and suck it up. Have you said “President Trump” President Trump, President Trump, President Trump, President Trump, President Trump yet?
        
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        November 25, 2016 2:18pm
  - Andrei
    
    Mrs Clinton so far has 63.6 million votes compared to 61.9 million for her Republican rival
    
    All that means Stephieboy is that 1.7 million dead Californians, Illinoisans and New Yorkers rose from their graves to cast their ballots
    
    Spooky no?
    
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    November 25, 2016 12:05pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Why, from all the comments about the “popular vote”, one would almost think that it actually mattered. And the population is growing, who’d a thunk it.
    
    So how did Hillary stuff up the election she couldn’t lose ? Maybe she just is a rotten candidate with no people skills and an unhealthy dose of complacence and entitlement.
    
    I really do encourage you to work through the stages of grief Stephieboy, this unhealthy insistence on staying in the denial phase just slows the whole healing process.
    
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    November 25, 2016 12:07pm
    - starboard
      
      not to mention her foul fashion sense, she often dressed like Dr Evil…geez even the starboard has more style than her.
      
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      November 25, 2016 3:20pm
  - Fletch
    
    Meanwhile, Trump has definitely won Michigan; the first Republican to win there since 1988.
    
    http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_8722_76444-397762–,00.html
    
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    November 25, 2016 12:34pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I have four words for you Stephieboy. See if you can put them in order.
    
    Shit, gives, who, a
    
    The USA doesn’t elect its Presidents by popular vote, so stop moaning about a democratic result that doesn’t suit you.
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:10pm
  - pentwig
    
    You are doing a splendid job of making yourself look exceptionly stupid today daffy.
    
    Well done. Keep up the good work you silly little duck you.
    
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    November 25, 2016 1:40pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Yeah, the popular vote, otherwise known as the boobie-prize. But if it makes ya feel just that little bit better …
    
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    November 25, 2016 3:57pm
sooty

Whats wrong with a portacom out the back as a tempory measure. There is people worse off and these people can go home at night. It’s not as though they are hard done by. Snow flakes, suck it up!
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November 25, 2016 12:04pm
gump

The first three strike conviction has just been handed down:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/318851/inmate-first-to-be-sentenced-on-third-strike

Seven years in jail for pinching a prison guard on the bum.

Is this sentence proportionate to the crime or a sensible use of public money?
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November 25, 2016 12:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  Yes. Should have got 10,000 years though.
  
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  November 25, 2016 12:44pm
- Nermal
  
  This criminal had two previous violent sexual convictions. While in prison he sexually assaults a female prison guard. A perfect candidate for three strikes. He is so lacking in self control he needs to stay in prison until he stops being a danger to any woman that attracts his attention.
  
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  November 25, 2016 1:29pm
  - gump
    
    Nope. He has no history of sex offenses:
    
    http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/r-v-campbell/@@images/fileDecision
    
    The only person lacking in self control is you. I don’t think you can stop telling lies…
    
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    November 25, 2016 2:20pm
  - MCos
    
    My understanding is it’s his first sexual assault conviction – for ‘pinching’ a female’s bottom.
    By the way, that’s probably less offensive than the antics of the soon to be leader of the free world.
    
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    November 25, 2016 2:27pm
    - Gabby
      
      I reckon I could pinch your arse, hypothetically, so you wouldn’t be sitting down for a week. You’d be a bit offended.
      
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      November 25, 2016 10:20pm
      - GoVege
        
        Don’t do it, Gabby.
        You could get 7 years in the big house….
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:38pm
  - Inandout
    
    He must have had a sexual emergency.
    
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    November 25, 2016 4:12pm
  - GoVege
    
    “This criminal”?!
    He sounds to me like a troubled young man who has had a hard life, and now it has been made a lot harder.
    
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    November 25, 2016 10:42pm
- GoVege
  
  “No” and “no way”.
  This is a perfect example of how our stupid justice system CREATES hardened criminals at a cost to the public purse of over half a million bucks per person.
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:26pm
Stars And Stripes

Arts Degree Sits Well With The Future Of Work
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86872105/unpredictable-labour-market-makes-arts-degree-more-relevant.

Even though it is only an opinion piece I’m sure it will warm the hearts of our resident BA holders.
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November 25, 2016 12:45pm
Manolo

The Left keeps pushing for it and the MSM swallows it whole because promotes her corrupt icon Hillary Clinton.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/us-election-green-party-raises-dollarus35-million-for-vote-recounts/ar-AAkJ36U?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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November 25, 2016 12:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, a ” corrupt ” Hillary Clinton that her nemesis has chosen not to ” lock her up ”
  
  Donald and the Clintons in more happier times ,
  
  http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-friends/1619008/
  
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  November 25, 2016 1:57pm
  - Manolo
    
    Of course, stephieboy. Just remember the pact between bolsheviks and mensheviks, Napoleon and the Spanish nobility, etc.
    
    History is full of compromises, although the main achievement remains: Hillary Clinton is history, gone forever!
    
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    November 25, 2016 2:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, but it was one of Trump’s key policy platforms was it not
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8B3-pb5TTU
      
      Do also note the degrading hypocrisy of Chris Christie now rejected by Trump for his Cabinet etc .
      
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      November 25, 2016 2:11pm
      - Manolo
        
        Are you that gullible, stephieboy? Allahu akbar.
        
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        November 25, 2016 2:13pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo,
        
        ‘Heil Trump’: Members of the Alt-Right Are Looking Forward to a Whiter America ”
        
        http://www.vice.com/en_nz/read/heil-trump-this-is-the-alternative-right
        
        Too bad that it doesn’t include you !
        
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        November 25, 2016 2:21pm
      - Inandout
        
        Oh look, Nazi Muslims-
        
        https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/germany-muslims-scream-adolf-hitler-and-allahu-akbar-make-nazi-salute
        
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        November 25, 2016 4:27pm
    - fernglas
      
      Manolo
      
      Here’s another compromise: Romney, who wants to be Trump’s Secretary of State, said this about him on Twitter a few months back:
      
      “Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.”
      
      Is this compromise a good thing?
      
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      November 25, 2016 2:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Probably- it would help unify the Party.Good to see that Trump has got so much choice of good people.
        
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        November 25, 2016 5:03pm
      - Inandout
        
        Keep your enemies close. Trump has business savvy, which is diametrically opposed to political savvy.
        
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        November 25, 2016 6:05pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson interviews the CEO of a company who says his company won’t have anything to do with anyone who supports Trump. Listen to the guy comparing Trump with Hitler etc… He is soft in the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X77K_zeZUu4

Really? I guess it’s OK not to do business with anyone you disagree with… now. If someone doesn’t want to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding, that’s different… just… because…
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November 25, 2016 12:53pm
Manolo

Eternal hatred towards Israel:
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Arab-social-media-ablaze-with-viral-Israeli-is-burning-posts-473538

Arab social media networks on Thursday were rife with inflammatory celebratory reactions in light of the myriad of brush fires that have been blazing across central and northern Israel since Tuesday.
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November 25, 2016 12:55pm
Stars And Stripes

Woman jailed for $355,000 benefit frauds
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86873692/woman-jailed-for-355000-benefit-frauds.
“The hundreds of thousands of dollars taken by a cancer sufferer during decades of benefit fraud will never be paid back, a court has been told.”

Wonder if this useless bludger will turn on the tears in a couple of months and try to get a compassionate release from the slammer because of her cancer.
Suck it up grandma and I hope you don’t break your false teeth while trying to eat that prison food.
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November 25, 2016 1:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stripes , this I believe is the biggest case of Benefit Fraud by a Wayne Patterson, Massey Auckland . $3.4 million ,
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/24939/3-4m-benefit-fraudster-jailed-for-8-years
  
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  November 25, 2016 1:55pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes probably and your point is what?.
    
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    November 25, 2016 2:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Stars and Stripes , well he is not a”Muuri” or ” “coconut ” for starters !
      
      There fixed !
      
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      November 25, 2016 3:32pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Well I will give credit where it is due and say that you are improving as your response was actually on topic and understandable so well done.
        However whether Patterson is black or white is irrelevant to me.
        He is a piece of criminal trash who if they had marched out the back and shot him then good stuff.
        Same applies to grandma in the story.
        
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        November 25, 2016 3:50pm
    - GoVege
      
      Ah, but the difference is Mr Patterson made a profit from his cunning investments and was able to repay the country his entire debt plus interest.
      Banging a non-violent thief up for 8 years was an act purely of revenge and maybe even state terrorism.
      
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      November 25, 2016 6:47pm
  - starboard
    
    err no stiffybot..the biggest fraud is the treaty of waitangi foisted on unsuspecting white people who pay most of the tax. But, we all know its coming to an end..the wheels on the gravy train will be halted and the money tap turned off. No more money based on skin colour. Heh.
    
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    November 25, 2016 3:05pm
    - itstricky
      
      Where is my example of a free pass?
      
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      November 25, 2016 6:00pm
      - starboard
        
        Typical murri..wanting a free pass. Loser.
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:28pm
      - itstricky
        
        You keep going on about free passes. You must have some good examples. Where are they?
        
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        November 26, 2016 9:03am
    - sam green
      
      Shouldn’ta pinched their land then.
      
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      November 25, 2016 7:40pm
      - GoVege
        
        We won by conquest Sam.
        Just like Maori had been doing for centuries.
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:55pm
    - GoVege
      
      When did you say the TOW gravy train is grinding to a halt?
      Don’t matter….80% of Maori women are collecting the DPB.
      That must bring in as much when you have 8 or more kiddies.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:00pm
    - GoVege
      
      I wish you wouldn’t say “murri”, starboard.
      Nobody likes to have their name deliberately mangled.
      I have a lot of complaints about Maori culture but every human being deserves respect.
      (And so do animals too.)
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:51pm
- starboard
  
  …and she started back in 1969 committing fraud…
  karma.com.
  
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  November 25, 2016 3:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    and when do you think Wayne Patterson started ?
    
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    November 25, 2016 3:40pm
  - itstricky
    
    Speaking of karma. Laughing at the guy who has/ cancer?
    
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    November 25, 2016 5:48pm
    - starboard
      
      Who? The fat maori king ? Lol.
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:25pm
Manolo

Is he EAD in disguise?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/david-stockman-doubles-down-on-his-sell-everything-call.html

The Trump rally raged on this week with all major U.S. indexes hitting record highs, but despite the historic run, David Stockman is doubling down on his call for investors to sell everything.

“I see a recession coming down the pike in 2017. The stock market is going to go down and it’s going to stay down long and hard because, for the first time in 25 years, there’s nothing to bail it out.”
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November 25, 2016 2:42pm
- Rich Prick
  
  What’s the bet Stockman did a run on selling just after the election and now wants to tank the market to buy back? Tough luck for him, it’s going gang-busters.
  
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  November 25, 2016 3:30pm
- SPC
  
  Stockman was director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Ronald Reagan disaster.
  
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  November 25, 2016 6:16pm
starboard

Lol..the murri king is having a kidney transplant because he was too fat ..cancer as well.
Murri king heh..* snigger chortle *…
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November 25, 2016 2:49pm
- itstricky
  
  Yeah, let’s all laugh at the guy who has cancer.
  
  I feel sorry for your sad ass ego that demands you make these statements.
  
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  November 25, 2016 5:45pm
  - Inandout
    
    Yeah I wouldn’t invite karma but when I see overweight people in the supermarkets buying trolley loads of pure junk food, I think they will fill a hospital bed sometime soon.
    
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    November 25, 2016 6:12pm
    - GoVege
      
      An incredible number of Polynesian and Maori people are on dialysis, and many of them are not even fat.
      They just don’t have the same immunity to junk food that Pakeha have.
      
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      November 25, 2016 7:13pm
- Gabby
  
  How’s your anal cancer choccy starfish?
  
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  November 25, 2016 10:14pm
OTGO

Fletch mentions Tucker Carlson. How good is this guy to watch? It would be great to have someone like this on our TV’s. What I can’t figure out is, why do his guests go on his show? Surely they must realise he just makes them look silly..
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November 25, 2016 3:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  OTGO , Tucker Carslon goes mainstream with loon Alex Jones on 9/11 Conspiracy theories ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqrrSRps59s
  
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  November 25, 2016 3:34pm
- All_on_Red
  
  He is great. I’m enjoying his new show.A good interviewer excellant at skewering his victims. Apparently, he was one of the Founders of The Daily Caller.
  He reminds me of Andrew Neil at the BBC
  http://order-order.com/2016/11/23/labour-rising-star-falls-to-earth/
  
  This is good too. I almost feel sorry for the guy- nah.
  http://order-order.com/2016/11/20/andrew-neil-debunks-viral-open-britain-video/
  
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  November 25, 2016 3:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All On Red , another one who shares Alex Jones nuttery ?
    
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    November 25, 2016 3:41pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      No. **** off idiot.
      
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      November 25, 2016 3:47pm
- Fletch
  
  He’s only had his own show for a week, but he is so good. He gets right to the heart of the matter and exposes liberal hypocrisy.
  
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  November 25, 2016 5:41pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ah, Liberal Hypocrisy- there’s a target rich environment.
    
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    November 25, 2016 5:44pm
Rich Prick

Michigan’s final count is in, Trump by 10,700. If Clinton goes for a recount she has to turn Florida and and Pennsylvania plus one of either Wisconsin, Michigan or Ohio. A statistical improbability.

If Florida doesn’t turn then the other four aren’t enough. I think she’s about to just give up and start practicing the words “President Trump”.
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November 25, 2016 3:25pm
- SPC
  
  Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.
  
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  November 25, 2016 7:46pm
thedavincimode

If Florida doesn’t turn then the other four aren’t enough. I think she’s about to just give up and start practicing the words ~~“President Trump”~~ “Not Guilty”.

There ya go.
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November 25, 2016 3:38pm
Stars And Stripes

Police release images of clothing found with baby’s body
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11755054.
“The post mortem found the baby boy was either Maori or Pacific Island ethnicity and had likely been at the reserve for less than 48 hours.
Detective Senior Sergeant Karen Bright hoped someone recognised the items of clothing which included a singlet with “Samoan Culture – Our Pride and Joy”.

What a joke, looks like the baby was not part of their pride and joy.
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November 25, 2016 3:57pm
- GoVege
  
  Stripes: Samoan culture is generally very kind, loving, inclusive and hospitable.
  Unfortunately all the Polynesian cultures are very violent and sexist also.
  Most Samoans are Catholic, so contraception is a no-no.
  I would guess that this poor baby was possibly abandoned by a young mother who hid her pregnancy out of terror of a beating by her father or brothers.
  
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  November 25, 2016 6:28pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes maybe or possibly it was a bit of happy families where the brother were actually the father.
    
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    November 25, 2016 6:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      I doubt it.
      In Samoan culture you can’t even date someone from your own village in case they are a distant cousin.
      
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      November 25, 2016 6:54pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Most Samoans are not Catholics. They have the Congregational Church, and a few other protestant denominations.
    
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    November 25, 2016 6:57pm
    - GoVege
      
      Well I hear it’s nigh on impossible to get contraceptives in Samoa.
      That could just be the result of sexism, not Catholicism.
      Though the two are closely related.
      
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      November 25, 2016 7:16pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Don’t they have glad wrap and rubber bands in the Islands?.
        
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        November 25, 2016 7:21pm
  - sam green
    
    Yeah Go Vege – this bloody Christian missionaries have a lot to answer for.
    
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    November 25, 2016 7:48pm
    - GoVege
      
      We dunno what it was like before the missionaries arrived, Sam.
      I sure am glad the Muslims didn’t get there first though.
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:13pm
      - nasska
        
        So am I. There wouldn’t be enough black cloth in the world to wrap those fat mamas in abayas. 🙂
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        Most of them are skinny over there, nasska.
        It’s only when they come here and discover western civilisation and fast food that they get fat.
        
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        November 25, 2016 8:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Where do you get your information, Govege?
        
        Looks like over 80% of the adult population of Samoa is overweight.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Pacific
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:14pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maggie: that’s the old people.
        They are treated like royalty over there and waited on hand and foot by the young people.
        The youngsters keep skinny working for the spoiled oldies…until they escape to freedom in NZ and other western nations.
        Then they get to take it a bit easier and pile on the pounds at the fast food outlets.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:33pm
      - GoVege
        
        Thanks for the link, Maggie.
        I wish it was a bit more specific than people aged “over 15”.
        
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        November 25, 2016 10:46pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I really don’t know if I should even bother posting you info on obesity in American Samoa…
        you’ll tell me that it excludes the babies or the anorexics or something…
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358371/American-Samoas-battle-obesity-95-cent-nation-declared-overweight.html
        
        and what do reckon about the fertility of Samoan women falling from 7-8 births /woman in the 1960s to 4-5 nowadays?
        https://www.uclouvain.be/cps/ucl/doc/demo/documents/Rallu(1).pdf
        
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        November 25, 2016 11:04pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maggie: couldn’t open the 2nd link but the first one was referring to American Samoa, not the other Samoa, which doesn’t even seem to make it onto the 20 fattest nations list.
        (But what the heck happened to Tonga???)
        American Samoa is much more advanced than Samoa, especially in the provision of fast food eateries.
        Can’t be too bad for them.
        One year not long ago American Samoa had only one suicide, while Samoa had about 37.
        
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        November 26, 2016 12:49am
Ross12

I don’t mean to compete with Hugh P but these guys think the Aussie apartment market is due to pop and the flow on effects don’t look good. The pie chart showing the % of each sector for the economy is interesting –mining and ag making up only 11%

http://www.crushthemarket.com/
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November 25, 2016 4:19pm
- wiseowl
  
  In NSW the Liberal Minister Stokes is looking at reforming negative gearing because of the housing market crisis.
  That will be interesting.
  
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  November 25, 2016 4:42pm
Southern Raider

Fires are raging across Israel including a major one that has destroyed buildings in Haifa.

Arson terrorism is the cause and several Arabs have been arrested although many many more would have been involved as it was a coordinated attack across a large area.

As expected Arabs and liberals are celebrating while Israel burns with messages carrying the hashtag #israelburning

Fortunately countries including Russia are assisting
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November 25, 2016 4:29pm
- Morrissey
  
  Armed gangs of illegal settlers in the Occupied West Bank routinely set fire to Palestinian houses, crops and olive orchards.
  
  There is no record of Palestinians doing the same to their oppressors. What evidence do you have that Palestinians did this, as opposed to the usual perpetrators?
  
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  November 25, 2016 4:51pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    I know Moses talked to a burning bush, but 60 fires miracously starting at the same time across a large area and no lightening storms?
    
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    November 25, 2016 5:22pm
    - RF
      
      Maybe they could turn wine back into water to put the fire out.
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:34pm
Morrissey

Gary McCormick announces: “I would rather trust the experts.”
But have a look at how he treated an expert five years ago.
The Panel, RNZ National, Wednesday 23 November 2016
Wallace Chapman, Alan Blackman, Gary McCormick, Megan Whelan

humbug n., a willfully false, deceptive, or insincere person

For a change there was, briefly, something resembling an earnest discussion on Wednesday’s edition of Jim Mora’s pisspoor chat show. This one was about whether or not it was safe to go back into Wellington buildings closed down after the earthquake. The most earnest of all the Panelists was regular guest Gary McCormick, who told how the people of Christchurch had gone through all of this before, and after an earthquake was no time to take chances. “I would rather trust the experts,” he intoned.

No doubt more than a few long-time listeners to this show would have snorted to hear McCormick talk like that. Back in March 2011, Gary McCormick embarked on a demeaning, philistine attack on Professor Nick Wilson, a world-renowned expert on tobacco epidemiology. Also ganging up on the Professor were Jim Mora and Raybon Kan…..

GARY McCORMICK: Yeah I know Nick, we get this a lot from health professionals! Do we have any EVIDENCE that second-hand smoke HARMS PEOPLE?

PROFESSOR WILSON: The World Health Organization has presented reams of evidence that even a low level of second-hand smo—-

JIM MORA: Look, Nick, uhhh, you’re the medical professional and, uhhhh, I don’t want to argue the science with you but, uhhhhh, I’ve seen those Scottish statistics and they were heavily disputed and refuted!

McCORMICK: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you’re right, Nick, but we ordinary citizens keep hearing this scientific research which isn’t that sound. So Nick, tell us: is it that important?

PROFESSOR WILSON: Four hundred deaths is not trivial.

JIM MORA: But that’s an extrapolation as well, isn’t it!

RAYBON KAN: Nick, you seem quite hung up on this science thing. Ummmm, how does smoke compare with the threat of sunlight?

McCORMICK: A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good one, Raybon!

PROFESSOR WILSON: It’s not really the same thing.

McCORMICK: Yes it is, actually! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

JIM MORA: Doesn’t this come back to John Stuart Mill, that unless we can PROVE harm, then we have no right to ban something. It’s all about rights, surely?

PROFESSOR WILSON: Non-smokers have the right to breathe clean air.

McCORMICK: Yeah Nick, I’m concerned about the rights of people to experience direct sunlight. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

RAYBON KAN: He he he he he he he! Nice one, Gary!

JIM MORA: Doctor Nick Wilson, from the Otago University School of Medicine and Health Science. Nick, THANKS for being with us! It’s time for the News.

Following the news break of five minutes, the panelists are still flushed with the triumph of their mauling of Professor Wilson…

McCORMICK: That was lovely, Raybon, what you said about the sun. We really need to go after people like that. We often get put in a situation where we BELIEVE the experts. It’s good to challenge them!

RAYBON KAN: What ISN’T a carcinogen? Sun is a carcinogen. Sugar is a carcinogen. LIFE is a carcinogen! Being BORN is a carcinogen! This science is vaguely interesting, like vegemite, so move on!

McCORMICK: Ha ha ha ha ha haha! Well put, Raybon!

JIM MORA: Ha ha ha ha ha haha! Well said, Raybon. You’re very clever! Okay, onto our next topic: Sara Palin.

McCORMICK: Sara Palin? She’s too STUPID to be true!

More of McCormick’s unfunny display of contempt for an expert…
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-11032011/#comment-306974
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November 25, 2016 4:48pm
starboard

McCormicks a drunk..many times he has been seen sliming and stumbling along the dimly lit streets of Lyttelton en route to his abode. He does rate himself as a wise guru of a man, I think he’s a dick.
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November 25, 2016 4:54pm
- thedavincimode
  
  No need to encourage dad4derangement, but then at least it might clean up Hagley Park
  
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  November 25, 2016 6:58pm
  - nasska
    
    All those used condoms choking the ducks. We owe it to the wildlife to help Dad clean up his act! 🙂
    
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    November 25, 2016 7:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      Be grateful they’re using condoms, nasska….
      
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      November 25, 2016 8:49pm
      - nasska
        
        Dad’s too old to get pregnant! 🙂
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:07pm
rangitoto

More cultural diversity dividend for France

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3969686/Armed-man-enters-retirement-home-monks-near-Montpellier-France.html
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November 25, 2016 5:03pm
SteveRemmington

Labour now using the earthquakes for data harvesting it seems.

http://www.labour.org.nz/geonet?recruiter_id=398100

Fucking scumbags.
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November 25, 2016 5:17pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Labour’s capacity to scrape the barrel never ceases to amaze me.
  
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  November 25, 2016 6:00pm
Manolo

A despicable elitist and conman of (dis)repute wants to impose his will:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/24/brexit-can-stopped-says-tony-blair/

Britain’s exit from the EU could be blocked, Tony Blair has said, as he ruled out a return to frontline politics because there is “too much hostility” towards him.
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November 25, 2016 5:24pm
nasska

“When will Jesus bring the Bacon Rolls?”

This sentence offends three major religions &
vegans.
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November 25, 2016 8:19pm
EAD

Some good discussion in the comments section:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/24/identitarian-activist-home-raided-german-police/#disqus_thread
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November 25, 2016 8:22pm
stigie

Nasska:- Only just catching up after being away…..
Finally the useless bastard has gone to jail for a few days to have a rest and perhaps a bath.
Nelson so it seems is the same as Auckland and Penny Bright, just too fucking hard to sort their shit out, they don’t wont too many people being offended..?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/86688214/nelson-protester-lewis-stanton-sent-to-prison-after-refusing-to-accept-bail-terms
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November 25, 2016 8:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Your comment (and the discussion above about overweight people filling their shopping trolley with junk food) makes me wonder what Penny puts in her Pak’n’Save trolley on a Friday night. Lots of soap, one would hope, and maybe bottled water for the bath. Any thoughts?
  
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  November 25, 2016 8:57pm
  - stigie
    
    When you are bludging off your fellow people Nostra, no need for a trip to Pak n Save ole chap !~
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:14pm
- nasska
  
  Is there no end to the Nelson Council’s persecution of this harmless old man stigie? Once again he has been forced from his home & incarcerated.
  
  Aside from this Mr Stanton is obviously a person of honour. His lawyer addressed the court thus;
  
  ….”Stanton must “respectfully decline bail” because he would not submit to such a condition.”…..
  
  Mark my words…..in the future this man will be honoured in bronze for his martyrdom. 🙂
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:05pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Once again he has been forced from his home & incarcerated
    
    Maybe in a variation on the “pay it forward” theme, since this man is incarcerated and doesn’t need his home, Auckland Council could make arrangements for Penny to move in? They might have to provide security for Nelson City Council rates, but I’m sure that could be arranged! Besides, the man might appreciate some female company when he’s released into the community again, and I’m sure Penny could do a good job of keeping him on track!
    
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    November 25, 2016 9:09pm
    - nasska
      
      Couldn’t agree more Nostra……it would be a match made in Heaven. They could move in together in a large cardboard box on the footpath outside Farmers.
      
      Then watch the heavies from the commo council back off when faced with Penny in full roar! 🙂
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:14pm
    - stigie
      
      Nasska could take him Nostra and teach the bastard some manners..?
      
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      November 25, 2016 9:16pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I think Nasska might be preoccupied with other more pressing matters, Stigie, such as watching blades of grass grow?
        
        Now Starboard, on the other hand, would be my nomination…
        
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        November 25, 2016 9:18pm
stigie

Nasska:- Nah, Penny and Lewis would be suited to the Eke CBD i reckon, they might even erect a cardboard cutout of Farmers for them to parasite themselves beside..?
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November 25, 2016 9:25pm
- nasska
  
  A “CBD”?
  
  You flatter us. We have a 4 Square, a petrol station, two rural supplies stores & a couple of second hand shops.
  
  They would get claustrophobic! ?
  
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  November 25, 2016 9:32pm
Nostradamus

An odd headline:

Campaign Against Sex Robots warns of danger to women and children

And in the article:

Sex robots will be a topic of serious discussion next month at the Second International Congress of Love and Sex with Robots at the University of London.

You have to be f***ing kidding me! (I wonder who attended the First International Congress and what they discussed?)
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November 25, 2016 9:31pm
RF

Breaking news concerning Dan Carter.

No, nothing to do with drugs.

My precious has made head lines as he carried an old French ladies groceries to her home. FFS this is so bloody true and worthy of a gong in the New Years honours.

I am so excited I will not sleep tonight
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November 25, 2016 9:32pm
Manolo

Another progressive copies Clinton:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38083733

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is under fire for attending an exclusive fundraiser with key Chinese-Canadian business leaders.

Political opponents say the “cash-for-access” event breaks the Liberal party’s own ethics guidelines.
The Liberals say they are following federal political financing rules.

It is not the first time the Trudeau government has faced criticism for its fundraising practices. Last May, Mr Trudeau was the guest star at a CAD$1,525 ($1130/£900) fundraiser at the private Toronto home of Benson Wong, the chair of the Chinese Business Chamber of Canada.
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November 25, 2016 9:38pm
Jack5

Vancouver housing bubble – latest report: some houses now selling for less than the seller paid for them.

https://betterdwelling.com/city/vancouver/timberrr-vancouver-real-estate-selling-for-less-than-purchase-price/
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November 25, 2016 10:27pm
Manolo

Next stop: Italy.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/735716/Italy-NEXT-to-reject-establishment-as-protest-vote-set-to-WIN-referendum-shock-poll-finds
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November 26, 2016 7:15am
BeeSting

The Freedom Movements goes global 2017

Get used to it
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November 26, 2016 11:33am
BeeSting

Here is a test of general Knowledge and awareness

What did the last preventative raid in Melbourne
that we know of stop?

What event was it targeting?

Who and What? were the intended victims?

What cause or charity were they raising money for?

Who ever is in charge of o z security is good
they have done untold preventative raids and arrests but this one stands out?
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