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wiseowl

Country Calender last night one of the best .
Real kiwis.
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November 20, 2016 8:10am
- holysheet
  
  There realy are some sad fucks on here. Who would down tick the above?
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    I guess the same sad fucks that think that every programme should show the richness of diversity of NZ.
    
    No doubt every episode should have:
    * Some LGBTQRSWF farmers. Not just the Topps.
    * Some farmers growing pot in their back yard in Jaffatown.
    * Bro farmers
    * Muslim farmers.
    *…
    
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    November 20, 2016 8:45am
    - Harriet
      
      * Lesbian goat farmers who breed kids for self sufficiency. 😎
      
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      November 20, 2016 9:36am
- starboard
  
  Absolutely, one of the best Country Calenders Ive seen in a long time. What a stunning family.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:58am
Inandout

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/pope-francis-decries-epidemic-of-animosity-toward-minorities

Pope Fravash is once again decrying any animosity to Muslims.

“We see, for example, how quickly those among us with the status of a stranger, an immigrant or a refugee become a threat; take on the status of an enemy,” Francis said at a Vatican ceremony on Saturday, during which new cardinals were ordained.

“An enemy because they come from a distant country or have different customs. An enemy because of the colour of their skin, their language or their social class.
“An enemy because they think differently or even have a different faith.”

The pope followed the US election campaign carefully, and four days before the vote cautioned against “social walls” and “false prophets”.
The 79-year-old Argentinian pontiff has repeatedly voiced support for immigrants, and last year made an impassioned speech on cultural diversity in Philadelphia’.

He really appears to be an Obama-like Pontiff.
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November 20, 2016 8:14am
- cmm
  
  Dear Mr Pointy Hat
  
  1) When is the Vatican wall coming down?
  
  2) How many Muslim Refugees has the Vatican taken in?
  
  3) How many mosques are there in the Vatican?
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:25am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Dear Leading Mufti
    
    1) When is the wall around Mecca coming down?
    
    2) How many Refugees have been created through Christian extremism?
    
    3) How many churches are there in the Saudi Arabia?
    
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    November 20, 2016 8:42am
    - cmm
      
      Big difference…
      
      While I don’t agree with the Leading Mufti, at least his talk and his actions are consistent.
      
      Leading Mufti says let’s kill all the infidels and is consistent with that – at least in being hostile to other religions.
      
      Pope says let’s open up our arms to everyone and accept them, but then lives securely behind walls with an armed guard etc.
      
      Mamma Merkel isn’t much different. She’s happy to give the “refugees” the run of Germany, but lives in a well secured residence protected by an armed guard too.
      
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      November 20, 2016 8:51am
- Huevon
  
  The Catholic Church will have its own Trump moment at next papal election. A lot of catholics are concerned about Francis’ preference for leftism over Christianity. The next pope will probably be a hard core conservative.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:36am
  - Inandout
    
    Doesn’t this guy have to die first?
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:59am
    - holysheet
      
      if he keeps on his path with all his present bullshit, that might be arranged by some in the palace of holy smokes
      
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      November 20, 2016 11:53am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Not necessarily.
      Many Catholics around the world are very concerned that Pope Francis seems confused because he makes so many contradictory statements – note the cardinals who are calling on him to correct errors in his exhortation ‘Amoris Laetitia’, which has several serious contradictions.
      If he refuses, then the cardinals can move to have him removed – but I doubt it will ever go that far. But there is concern that he may not be too well in the head – maybe some mental disorder. We’ll see.
      
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      November 20, 2016 1:56pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yeah. Like John Paul I
      
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      November 20, 2016 2:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How do the 17 new cardinals stack up?
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38038501
    
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    November 20, 2016 11:58am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ah well, no analysis from the Micky doos on KB.
      
      I’ve been forced to trawl through some of their literature…
      https://cruxnow.com/analysis/2016/11/19/three-take-aways-todays-global-crop-new-cardinals/
      
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      November 20, 2016 7:29pm
  - Kimbo
    
    The next pope will probably be a hard core conservative.
    
    Hmm. Considering every one before Francis, with maybe an exception in John XXIII, has been “a hard core conservative”…that won’t be much of a surprise.
    
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    November 20, 2016 2:11pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      The problem with many of the statements that Pope Francis is making is that they are leading the liberal wing of the church to conclude that big changes are afoot in certain areas of doctrine. Pope Francis will not in fact make such changes but his successor will have to deal with the mess of expectations that he has created. As the darling of the progressive MSM Francis is alienating a significant section of traditional and loyal Catholics. That includes me.
      
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      November 20, 2016 2:58pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Protestantism beckons! 😉
        
        Just trying to be helpful…
        
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        November 20, 2016 3:01pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        You are right in what you say, but despite what Kimbo says, Protestantism caused a mess 400 years ago – we don’t want a repeat of that. 🙂
        
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        November 20, 2016 5:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “~~Protestantism~~ Roman Catholic doctrinal error caused a mess 400 years ago…”
        
        Fixed that for ya, Don 😉
        
        Sola Christo
        Sola Gratia
        Sola Fidei
        Sola Scriptura
        Justification by faith as the doctrine by which the church stands or falls
        The priesthood of all believers
        Two sacraments – and no ex opere operato
        
        …and as a good Calvinist I would be remiss not to opine that elders, not bishops should rule the church. 😉
        
        But, hey, if you think it was the Protestants who caused the “mess”, and not the corrupt and greedy Leo X allowing Johann Tetzel to hawk his Indulgences…far be it from me to correct you.
        
        Except on one matter – come October 31 next year it will be 500 years ago. Wouldn’t want you to give the impression we are Johnny-come-Lately’s 😉
        
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        November 20, 2016 5:45pm
Happychappy

The obese co Leader of the Greens will be trying to work out whether she can get the missing million to the polls with the house for life policy or will they have to entice them with more of the Tax Payers money
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November 20, 2016 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  Typical Greens don’t realise financial realities. Rent to buy by life’s losers invariably leads to mortgagee sales. If they can’t manage a deposit on their house purchase, then in most cases they won’t keep up their mortgage repayments. Of course in Greens Lalaland they won’t get kicked out of their dwelling because the gummint will make up any shortfalls. Then there is the problem of P houses.
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:56am
  - starboard
    
    Typical ( McGillicudy Serious Party) don’t realise financial realities……
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:04am
Paulus Gnome

8.16 and the serial downticker has wet the bed
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November 20, 2016 8:17am
cmm

Another fail for affirmative action:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/86655620/italy-send-south-africa-to-another-low-by-beating-them-for-first-time-in-history
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November 20, 2016 8:22am
- mikenmild
  
  Fuck. I had that one locked in for my multi-bet.
  Got Georgia over Samoa, Wales over Japan, England over Fiji, and All Blacks looking okay.
  But now I see Scotland upset Argentina. C’est la vie…
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:28am
Komata

Inandout

‘An enemy because they think differently or even have a different faith.” is still an enemy that is hell-bent on destroying both the Roman Catholic Church and western civilisation. Nothing has changed in 500 or so years and the Pontif seems to be almost deliberately unaware of the RC Church’s history against the muslims; the Seige of Vienna was evidently of absolutely no consequence…

Sometimes those who ignore history are forced to re-learn it, and I doubt that the Swiss Guard will be of much use should ‘re-education’ become necessary…
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November 20, 2016 8:24am
- Inandout
  
  If I were a Roman Catholic I would be very afraid. Most of their churches could be very easily converted to mosques by just adding a minaret.
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:30am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Or a pub with the addition of a cellar
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:42am
  - Viking2
    
    Wouldn’t even need to change the congregation just a little bit more of the hands and knees stuff training and all would be well.
    
    Of course they would have to take all the chairs out. You can’t bang your head on the floor from a sitting position.
    
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    November 20, 2016 12:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout , both the Siege of Vienna ( 1529 ) and the Battle of Vienna ( 1683) ended in failure and disaster for the Ottoman Empire . They never had another go and are extremely unlikely to have another one .
  
  BTW it is worth remembering that Britain and France mid 19th Century allied with the Sick man of Europe ( Ottoman Empire ) against Imperial Russia culminating in the Battle Of Balaclava
  
  http://www.britishbattles.com/crimean-war/balaclava.htm
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:57am
  - Komata
    
    Re: ‘Inandout , both the Siege of Vienna ( 1529 ) and the Battle of Vienna ( 1683) ended in failure and disaster for the Ottoman Empire . They never had another go and are extremely unlikely to have another one’
    
    Proves my point really, especially as there is absolutely no need for another military engagement. Ghaddafi summarised it well when he said that ‘Europe will be conquered by the wombs of our women’.
    
    Trojan horses come in many forms….
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      Komata , the population of Europe 2016 is c 734 million of which Muslim is 44 million ( 6 %) . The so called Trojan Horse ( demographics ) is the stuff of conspiracy theories and paranoia !
      
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      November 20, 2016 10:42am
      - GoVege
        
        Yes sb, but Muslims are permitted to have 4 wives while bigamy is illegal for western guys.
        It won’t take them look g to catch up.
        
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        November 20, 2016 2:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry…long to catch up.
        
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        November 20, 2016 3:33pm
Chuck Bird

The ABs have beat Ireland 21 – 9
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November 20, 2016 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Things that are more surprising than that:
  The sun came up this morning!
  There is still gravity!
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:53am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Why rugby is dying as a spectator sport in NZ
  
  Satirical it is, but laced with truth – you can’t deny – this from the Civilian. I’d pick Ben is another one of those Kiwis that is so bored by AB rugby that he doesn’t bother paying the Sky tax to watch one sided routs.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:06am
  - mikenmild
    
    The fans are sick of winning?
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:18am
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps it is that people would rather just watch it via TV and skip all the parking hassles, scalped tickets and wowsers telling you what you can drink while you’re watching.
    
    You can watch it when you want, where you want. So you can watch it at home and skip over the boring bits.
    
    If you want atmosphere then just go watch at the pub. Easier parking and a meal and beers cost less than a ticket.
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:20am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      But, CMM,
      Think for a moment about those people trying to organise sporting events. The wowser police are now making their job terribly difficult.
      Fact, I enjoy a reasonably priced beer or three when watching rugby. Fact, I enjoy some reasonably priced greasies when watching rugby. It is easier for the pub to put that on than it is for some organisers tied up in wowser red tape.
      It should be better at the game, live. It isn’t.
      
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      November 20, 2016 9:45am
holysheet

I’ll save bigbruv the time
ab’s won with the ref and tmo in their pockets yet again.
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November 20, 2016 8:27am
Captain Mainwaring

So yesterday a car appears parked across my driveway entrance despite the fact that there are numerous available carparks all along the street, all freshly painted.
I can’t get my car out.
Left it for an hour or so then rang the parking enforcement dept. at the council. The man came, wrote out the relevant tickets and called the tow truck.
Offender turned up before the tow truck arrived, to be confronted with a bill for $512, comprising the fee for obstructing a driveway, the fee for expired WOF and registration, and the fee for the tow truck which had already been ordered.
Is this a fair price to pay for total stupidity?
I think so.
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November 20, 2016 8:29am
- mikenmild
  
  I take it the miscreant felt otherwise…
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:35am
- holysheet
  
  Classy, you must live in a very good area//
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:36am
- cmm
  
  Many years ago I had a mate with old stuffed landrover. He lived in an area of town across from a sportdfield and often had people park in front of his garage.
  
  He then put up a sign saying “Vehicles parked here will be pushed out of the way”. They still parked there.
  
  He’s put the old landy into 4WD low ratio, low gear and push the car into the street.
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:58am
  - artemisia
    
    Heard of an owner sick of people parking in his driveway. Fortunately he had his own front loader. Parked it behind the offending vehicle and went overseas for a month.
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:04am
- dime
  
  Hope they don’t come back and brick your house
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:26am
  - Colville
    
    a bucket of runny fast set concrete down the toby after turning if off works a treat too…
    
    so I have heard 🙂
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:04am
    - Viking2
      
      try drimix down the waste.
      
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      November 20, 2016 12:46pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

AI software that can scan the human face and identify which ones are criminals! Can’t wait for all the squeals of outrage from Leftists about how racist this science is, lol:

“Automated Inference on Criminality using Face Images

…All four classifiers perform consistently well and produce evidence for the validity of automated face-induced inference on criminality, despite the historical controversy surrounding the topic.

Also, we find some discriminating structural features for predicting criminality, such as lip curvature, eye inner corner distance, and the so-called nose-mouth angle.

Above all, the most important discovery of this research is that criminal and non-criminal face images populate two quite distinctive manifolds. The variation among criminal faces is significantly greater than that of the non-criminal faces. The two manifolds consisting of criminal and non-criminal faces appear to be concentric, with the non-criminal manifold lying in the kernel with a smaller span, exhibiting a law of normality for faces of non-criminals.

In other words, the faces of general law-biding public have a greater degree of resemblance compared with the faces of criminals, or criminals have a higher degree of dissimilarity in facial appearance than normal people. ”

https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135
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November 20, 2016 8:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Jazz Hands , another step towards Big Brother and the surveillance society based on conjecture ?
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:43am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    What does the science say, stephieGoy?
    
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    November 20, 2016 8:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      I understand it was a thesis or paper submitted based on experiments on a sample population not disclosed and yet to be tested in actual practice – law enforcement .
      
      Goy might suggest you are Jewish ?
      
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      November 20, 2016 9:08am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Your entire input on this site might suggest you have been jooed.
        
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        November 20, 2016 10:51am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Grow a beard mate. What? you have one? shave it off then 🙂
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:05am
- cmm
  
  The little problem with this is:
  “All four classifiers perform consistently well” No numbers. How welll is well?
  
  What happens when laws change? If you legalise marijuana does everyone’s faces change?
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s a little diversion….
  
  find the criminals
  https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201103/criminals-look-different-noncriminals
  
  based on this paper
  http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ebs/5/1/66.html
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:44am
- Gabby
  
  Why aren’t your jizzy mitts shaking at the thought? You’re gunna get found out.
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:07pm
waikatogirl

Captain, did he have a reason for choosing the premium spot over your driveway when other spaces were available, or was he unable to make himself understood through his spluttering and disbelief?

Yes, I think the fine was fair considering he annoyed you for an hour. His own fault for not being registered, warranted etc. clearly his own stupidity.
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November 20, 2016 8:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sorry to say it, but he was a she.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:20am
- jcuk
  
  But here in Dunedin even if you are registered and have a current WOF you can still get a ticket if you park your trailer for more than seven days …. cost me $40 and I was outside the marked carraige way.
  It was my first ticket on over 25 years.
  
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  November 20, 2016 3:04pm
duggledog

Captain M

Get a wheel clamp, sixty odd dollars from Super Cheap Auto.

You do realise those fines are unlikely ever to be paid don’t you?
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November 20, 2016 8:40am
- mikenmild
  
  I doubt that it is legal to clamp a car that is not on private property.
  Obstructing the vehicle crossing would have to be dealt with by the local authority.
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:47am
  - nasska
    
    You wouldn’t want to admit that it was you who did the clamping. Just consider the $60 a fee for the entertainment provided while watching the arsehole deal with the clamp. 🙂
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:02am
  - mikenmild
    
    Slashing all his tyres would be even cheaper, then!
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:20am
Happychappy

There would have to be charges brought again some adult after the death of one of the eight children in the car crash in the Waikato this weekend
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November 20, 2016 8:56am
- waikatogirl
  
  The tree will be charged with jumping out in front of the children.
  
  Afterall, the car was apparently speeding and overloaded but it won’t be the fault of the driver for they don’t know what they do. //
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:03am
  - Inandout
    
    And the vehicle was a Toyota Wish.
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  What should the parents be charged with?
  
  Starboard will be quite pleased with the death of a 11 year old child judging by his comment about Darwinism yesterday.
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:46am
  - Happychappy
    
    Your one that advocates parent responsibilty so who was driving the car where or who did they get the keys from and why were all this family brothers,sisters and cousins all very young in the car and what age was the driver
    
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    November 20, 2016 11:03am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Some of those questions should be asked and it may be appropriate to charge someone. However, that is a lot different than what you said in you initial comment.
      
      The crash occurred about 6 pm. If it had happened at 2 am then a lot more questions should be asked.
      
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      November 20, 2016 11:31am
      - Happychappy
        
        So you are saying that it is not right that we should ask the question about the driver when it was inferred they were to young to obtain a license
        
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        November 20, 2016 1:37pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I am not saying that at all. Questions should certainly be asked especially how they got the keys. However, just like everyone should be entitled to a fair trial it is the job of the police to gather evidence and ask question before deciding whether to charge anyone.
        
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        November 20, 2016 3:47pm
  - starboard
    
    Oh, so Darwinism clicked in? So be it.
    
    What if the car came around the corner and took out your family Chuck..killed them all. What would you be saying then?
    
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    November 20, 2016 12:24pm
    - starboard
      
      Chuck? Chuck ?
      
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      November 20, 2016 1:16pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I would say something under my own name.
      
      The fact the children were Maori make your comment and the up tickers pretty appalling.
      
      If you had grandchildren or nephews killed while passengers in a stolen cars killed how you feel if cowards commented anonymously on social media?
      
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      November 20, 2016 1:17pm
      - starboard
        
        Good side step. Now, if the car came around the corner and wiped out your family, apart from commenting under your own name, how would you feel and what would you say/do ? Remember..a car load of underage people out hooning..no licences..and they wipe out your entire family…and whats race got to do with it ?
        
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        November 20, 2016 1:56pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        You may call it a sidestep but that not how our justice system works. Sharia law depends on the victims or their family.
        
        The issue I am on about is cowardly anti Maori racism and common decency. When a family is grieving for a lost child common decency says you do not put the boot in.
        
        Have you ever driven over the alcohol limit? Have any of your friends or relations. How would you feel if one of them smashed into a tree and people were saying good riddance?
        
        I have a lot more respect Hone Harawira than cowards like you. Maori were know for there brutality in war. They were not known for their cowardliness.
        
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        November 20, 2016 4:03pm
      - starboard
        
        Whatever Chuck..lot of vitriol there. I stand by my comment of Darwinism. Was the car stolen ?
        I bet it was. Hone Hawawira is a scumbag racist and a loser..wheres it got him? No where. Like all maori..losers.
        
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        November 20, 2016 5:20pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Hone is a racist like you but he is not a coward.
        
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        November 20, 2016 5:42pm
      - starboard
        
        And WTF do you mean here ?
        
        “Sharia law depends on the victims or their family.”
        
        have I missed something ?
        
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        November 20, 2016 5:59pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Yet another wonderful example of the anti white racism that diversity, inclusiveness and multiculuralism has delivered:

“An African-American man in Malden, Massachusetts has now admitted that he fabricated a hate crime report when he claimed two white men accosted him, saying the U.S. is now “Trump country,” and threatened to lynch him.

The complainant, who has remained unidentified, said the men used racial slurs and warned him he would soon be lynched because the U.S. is now “Trump country.” The man said he ran away and hid, waiting for the men to go away before calling police.

Malden police immediately prioritized the report as a “hate crime” and an investigation was opened. But now police are reporting that their investigation revealed a hoax had been committed.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/18/man-admits-lying-trump-country-lynching-hate-crime-report/
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November 20, 2016 8:58am
- BananaLlama
  
  There is also an epidemic of malformed swastikas appearing over the United States. Some backwards, Some upside down.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Is there a mass epidemic of fabricated hate crime reports ?
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:13am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Yes indeed there is – any race-related report in Stuff, the Herald in fact in any MSM organ is repeating this ‘white people are racists’ racist fake news line.
    
    They benefit from fitting the progressive doctrine – so they’re not called on it – but it is racist attack fake news nonetheless.
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:31am
    - stephieboy
      
      I’m looking for factual evidence not surmise or feelings that this and that is so !
      
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      November 20, 2016 10:44am
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        There’s none so blind as those that won’t see and none so deaf as those that won’t hear!
        
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        November 20, 2016 12:13pm
    - jonar
      
      If you think there’s no racism in America then you’re the one that won’t see or hear.
      
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      November 20, 2016 1:52pm
      - Nukuleka
        
        I take it you mean black racism towards whites and latinos, latino racism towards whites and black as well as any other sort of racism?
        
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        November 20, 2016 3:05pm
waikatogirl

Matt McCarten is on the Q+A panel this morning. Happily ensconced in the arms of TVNZ
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November 20, 2016 9:06am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  And most of us wouldn’t have ever known that because we’ve given up on any hope of a shred of rational, balanced reporting from the shilling formerly known as ‘journalism’ in NZ.
  
  Although I can imagine the incisive questioning:
  1) So Matt – now that you are firmly in place where you can do most harm to Labour’s chances – how do you feel about the Left facing a 4th straight electoral defeat.
  
  2) Matt, has the rejection of the Left’s particular brand of fascism that saw Trump sweep to victory in the US, caused the Labour party to wake the f*ck up and realise they’re on a pathway to oblivion unless they give up on failed policies from the 1960s.
  
  3) Does the totally expectable rejection of a party-picked career criminal in Hillary in the US give the unions any pause for thought that maybe they really screwed up in installing first Cunliffe and then diving deeper to put “Loser” Little in as party leader?
  
  (or maybe I can’t)
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:17am
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    DP, you’re not suggesting that Comrade Redbaiter represents mainstream thinking in contrast to Matt ?
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:47am
- Viking2
  
  Watched him and gained the impression that his stint in the Beehive has changed his views quite a lot.
  He was supportive of the various people running the earthquake issues and defended Brownlee and Lester.
  
  Not the Mc Caretn he was which maybe explains his expulsion from Littles office.
  
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  November 20, 2016 12:58pm
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Heard a guy an Obama lookalike from the stage show” Hamilton” reading out a statement, in New York,saying” we must strive to keep up American values”. That was after the show stopped, to put the boot into the vice President elect Mike Pence. Up to now the only “American values” on show,are from the gutter. From the Crooked Clintons ,to Generation Snowflake,now a stage show ,with vile racist comments from an Obama lookalike.Next we will have dirty mouth Madonna weeping and wailing that her offer of a blow job for all Crooked Hillarys supporters. Seems “AMERICAN VALUES’ were for sale,or was it bribes,in conjunction with the corrupt Clintons,and their so called Mainstream Media.
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November 20, 2016 9:06am
- Disaster Area
  
  I read reports that the show had to be paused because the audience applauded certain sections for too long.
  
  I also see that The Donald has taken to Twitter have a go at the audience members who booed.
  I guess the precious little snowflake Mike Pence had his feelings hurt.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:12am
  - Ross12
    
    Trump didn’t say anything about the audience. His tweet was aimed at the cast and what was said to Pence.
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:22am
    - mikenmild
      
      Boo hoo. Poor little Mike Pence being heckled for his hateful views.
      
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      November 20, 2016 11:44am
      - waikatosinger
        
        And you being downticked for yours.
        
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        November 21, 2016 2:18am
- mikenmild
  
  What, pray, is an ‘Obama lookalike’?
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:21am
  - SPC
    
    non threatening for a coloured person
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:26am
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    Looks like you!
    
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    November 20, 2016 9:37am
- tom hunter
  
  The cast of Hamilton did a performance as a fundraiser for Hillary a few months ago.
  
  They probably don’t realise that they just did a fundraiser for Trump 2020.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:24am
- Disaster Area
  
  This is what was said:
  
  “Mike Pence, we welcome you here. We are the diverse Americans who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents. Or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights … we hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us,
  We thank you for sharing this wonderful American story, told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations,”
  
  What is ‘vile and racist’ about this? If this upsets him, he really is a delicate little flower.
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:25am
  - Ross12
    
    Where did the ‘vile and racist’ come from ? It wasn’t in Trump’s tweet.
    
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    November 20, 2016 10:05am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I was quoting Oldpark:
      “with vile racist comments from an Obama lookalike.”
      
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      November 20, 2016 10:10am
      - Ross12
        
        OK sorry I missed that connection.
        
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        November 20, 2016 10:23am
  - tom hunter
    
    I agree that there’s nothing there that is “vile and racist”.
    
    But it is rude and it is arrogant. Perhaps you’d only recognise that if some group – say a group of Catholic school kids performing a play – had lectured President elect Obama in 2008 about hoping he’ll be “tolerant” towards them and the beliefs as put into practice.
    
    No doubt that would have got the backs up from a lot of his supporters, perhaps even he and Michele? A lot of huffing and puffing: How dare these judgemental, religious people lecture us about tolerance”.
    
    You get it now?
    
    And of course when they stood there talking about their “diversity” I wondered how many members of the cast were pro-life, pro-income tax cuts – right-wing in any way at all? What are the odds?
    
    But they reserve the right to lecture others, especially right-wingers – just like some pedophile priest at mass. Pence and company (but not Trump I’ll bet) are probably too reserved and polite to give the obvious response:
    
    Fuck Off!
    
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    November 20, 2016 12:42pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      I think the point is that Mike Pence has supported some fairly extreme legislation as far as the LGBTQASAP communities are concerned. He supports the unproven and often harmful ‘conversion therapies’ as well as extremely restrictive abortion legislation.
      He went to the theatre where the leading man is an openly gay, HIV+ actor. What did he expect to happen?
      Its not as if Mike Pence has been telling those communities how to live their lives is it?
      My point is that if Trump and Pence are upset about a couple of Luvvies in a theatre saying that they hope he will be inclusive of all Americans, then they are the sensitive little cupcakes.
      
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      November 20, 2016 1:22pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Starting with your last point first. I’ve not checked on Trump’s Twitter response but I’m not aware that Pence said anything at the time, although he may have responded to media questions since. In fact the story has broken because some people in the audience captured the moment on video and it was also put up on the official Hamilton Twitter account.
        
        So your point about Trump-Pence being “sensitive little cupcakes” is just piling insult upon snide, dismissive insult. As one writer pointed out:
        
        … making this statement public— rather than, say, sending Pence a note from the cast privately— seems more about posturing for the cameras than communication. There’s no dialog possible here. It’s not as if Pence could respond or do anything but politely hear them out. This is the kind of national discussion the left loves: the kind where they talk and you listen.
        
        I’ve not followed anything about Pence’s political career but since he’s religious I’ll assume that your claims of his opposition to LGBT demands and his anti-abortion stance are true.
        
        But with regard to his support of “conversion therapy”, even had you provided a link, the last year of MSM treatment means that I probably would have rejected it as a “cherry on the top” lie to reinforce the desired narrative that Pence is a “nutter”. And I would have been correct to do so, despite Politifact” rating it as “true”. Instead I found this analysis – on Reddit of all places – that demonstrates in some explorative detail that that claim has a very high, even “ultra” high degree of spin. I’d just say it was a bullshit claim – like the ones surrounding Sessions being a racist.
        
        Politfact? More like Politispin. It’s not as if they don’t employ people who could investigate the way the Reddit guy did.
        
        I also liked the reflexive snideness of the cast hoping – that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf all of us – because naturally, without inspiration from folks like them, Pence and company would be hopeless at that.
        
        Of course.
        
        But as I said to mikenmild yesterday: you Lefties keep hammering away like this. It’s failed badly, but it’s apparently all you’ve got.
        
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        November 20, 2016 2:14pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I forgot to say congratulations on using “LGBTQASAP”. But are you sure it’s inclusive enough? You wouldn’t want people thinking you’re an exclusionary bigot like moi.
        
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        November 20, 2016 2:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        One wonders when all the alphabet will be used up and we’ll have to resort to Greek letters.
        
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        November 20, 2016 2:35pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I’ve used the Apple TV/iTunes service for streaming and the like for several years now, and I noticed a few months ago on their “Movies – Genre” sub-section, that they had re-titled what had been “Gay and Lesbian” to “LGBT”.
        
        My first reaction was to laugh. First at the terrible social pressures they must have been under in Cupertino Drive. Second at the thought that they had still not got it right – just like any other clueless, uniformed group of bigots.
        
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        November 20, 2016 2:43pm
      - Scott
        
        Mike Pence is a classy kind of guy and a real gentleman. It’s a shame that actors can’t refrain from honouring the vice president elect of their own country. What they did was the height of rudeness in my opinion.
        
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        November 20, 2016 2:57pm
      - Nukuleka
        
        So you have been to shows where the cast takes to the stage and delivers a little homily at the end of the performance, have you, ‘cos after a lifetime of attending shows I never have!! What they post on their sad little Facebook pages is one thing but this type of public sermon is inappropriate and a bore.
        
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        November 20, 2016 3:11pm
DifferentPerspective

Reason number 4,512 why Socialism is dying

#4,512. Staggering hypocrisy and stunning lack of self awareness.

So apparently now, discriminating against a female immigrant from a minority because of her beliefs is cool for progressives.

Fashion houses to take a courageous stand to not dress (even though they haven’t been asked to) Melania Trump because of her beliefs.

With the insanity of the libtards in the US – I know have a new appreciation for the quality of debate and logic provided to this blog by our resident leftists Stephie and Mike. (Thank you guys for not being as crackpot as the Democrats are in the US)
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November 20, 2016 9:11am
SPC

2000 + angry white man with muzzle off/facing blog screen (fighting the good fight against civil liberties and human rights for other people)

1893 + angry white man in bar away from ball and chain/female voter
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November 20, 2016 9:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  wtf?
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:52am
G152

Happy 75th birthday to the Royal New Zealand Navy.
And thanks to the US for deploying their ship to assist in the earthquake relief work.
And the protesters are very quiet about the Chinese warship, representing a nuclear power sitting in Auckland harbour and unwilling or unable to assist the earthquake relief…
Go Pussers
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November 20, 2016 9:17am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Didn’t see any protesters today. Thousands of people, all in queues up to 300M long. Did not go onboard any. Maybe the ‘rent a mob’ has gone to Wellington/Lyttleton? Parking was an issue with vehicles trying to park on the wharfs. I parked at Z pier Westhaven and walked.
  Oh, I do not call them “Warships” like the MSM do. To me they are “Defence Ships”
  
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  November 20, 2016 3:59pm
tom hunter

Like more than a few others, US Right-wing writer, Jonah Goldberg, while taking the floggings for sticking it to Trump repeatedly over many months, still has a huge smile on his face as he sticks it to Hillary…

Among Hillary’s greatest problems wasn’t that she was a liar, but that she was so bad at it. When Bill lied, it was like watching a jazz impresario scat. You could pull him off an intern, slap him in the face with a half-frozen flounder, and he could, without missing a beat, plausibly explain that he was just a gentleman trying to help push the young lady over a fence.

But when Hillary lied, which was often, it was like watching a member of the Politburo explain to a hungry mob of peasants that food-production targets exceeded expectations. Hillary never seemed to fully grasp that Bill’s lying skills did not become community property when they got married along with his collection of back issues of Juggs and that shoe box full of used pregnancy tests. There was music to Bill’s lying while Hillary deceived the way Helen Keller played the piano.

And this…

In 2008, people would ask me if we were finally done with the Clintons and I would respond, “Haven’t you seen any horror movies?” Freddy Krueger and Jason always came back.

But now, I think they’re really gone.

And with them goes the infatuation — along with the fear. People forget the cult of personality, the willful suspension of credulity, that was integral to these gaslighting grifters. When Bill Clinton congratulated Dan Rather and Connie Chung for their softball interview of the first couple, Rather responded: “If we could be one-hundredth as great as you and Hillary Rodham Clinton have been together in the White House, we’d take it right now and walk away winners.”

That MSM eh.
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November 20, 2016 9:28am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  OMG (faux outrage bursting out all over)
  
  That was so blindest of you. I’m offended for blind people the world over. It would be appalling for you to serve in Trump’s cabinet!!!
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:33am
- jonar
  
  How do you reckon Trump manages to lie even in spite of concrete evidence against the lie? For e.g. his tweet about checking out the sex tape, which is all over the internet, and which he categorically denied. Memory loss? Serial liar?
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:57pm
  - tom hunter
    
    I think what Trump does is often mindless: he just says whatever is needed in the heat of the moment. I really don’t know if he knows himself what the truth is in many situations, although in that one, he must have. I don’t think he cares, which is why he so often refers back to, that’s what i heard (as with his claims about Curz’s dad hanging around with Oswald in ’63).
    
    It’s the difference between a bullshit artist and someone who truly lies – someone who knows the truth but says the untruth anyway, with malice aforethought. That was Hillary. Whereas Bill merged the line between liar and bullshit artist, which is what most politicians are. Trump is further along that scale, and without the Southern charm.
    
    Now the worshippers of each person will deny all this of course, but once again we are talking about the double standards applied by the MSM, best exhibited by that Dan Rather quote, which sounds no different to what a lay worshipper would have said about Bill and Hillary. And yet that was not what drove Rather from the profession.
    
    What I heard from Rather’s evolutionary descendents in the MSM over the last 12 months was that Trump was a liar (often true), but that what Hillary said was “careless”, “shading the truth”, etc.
    
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    November 20, 2016 3:47pm
Fletch

Watch as Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson totally dismantles a liberal hack who wrote an article (“one of the most unfair things I’ve ever read”, according to Carlson) about Trump’s pick Jeff Sessions. The article basically regurgitates DNC talking points (he is racist etc) without any facts.

So fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHP_bkoo32I
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November 20, 2016 9:36am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Seen this Kiwibloggers?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1611/S00246/grannies-for-peace-make-teanot-war-picnic.htm

Grannies for Peace ‘Make Tea…Not War’ picnic

Friday, 18 November 2016, 2:02 pm
Press Release: Grannies for Peace

MEDIA ADVISORY
GRANNIES FOR PEACE MAKE TEA NOT WAR!

Grannies for Peace -Make Tea…Not War’ picnic is to be held this Sunday 20th November.

From 1.00pm-2.00pm at The Cloud, Queen’s Wharf, Auckland Waterfront, while the NZ Navy’s 75th birthday open day is taking place.

We will be assembling in the seated picnic area outside the Ferry terminal next to the Pou (Maori totem poles).

A real Granny? A pretend Granny? A Tranny Granny, Granny’s little helper or a bearded Granny?

Grannies and friends will be dressed up in pink and flowery Granny -type finery to send a colourful, peaceful message to the Government that we don’t want foreign warships visiting our peaceful waters, or Arms Fairs in our lovely City of Peace!

Grannies will be joined for a sing song of our favourite peace songs led by the ‘Ukes Not Nukes” band at 1.30pm.

Prize for the best dressed granny – A month’s supply ofMetamucil!

Why Grannies?

Grannies are the nurturers, the protectors of children and life.

Grannies are the women who stayed behind during the war and kept the home-fires burning and picked up the pieces after.

They know the harsh realities of war.

Our Grannies are also the ones who fought hard for a nuclear free New Zealand.

New Zealand is proud of its absolutely peaceful stance that has inspired the whole world, and because of this we have no enemies

Let’s keep it like that.

Let’s promote a peaceful future for NZ!

This week the NZ government has committed $20 million more to military spending.

Meanwhile poverty and homelessness are increasing.

Aligning with war-loving nuclear nations compromises us and makes us a target.

We can’t work towards peace and war at the same time.

And there is more than one way to resolve conflict.

Let’s work towards peace.

Teach our children communication rather than conflict.

Offer them fun, not guns.

Get with the programme!

Get Grannies for Peace on the job!

Forge Swords into Ploughshares and Guns into Zimmer frames!

Grannies for Peace is proudly supported by:

Auckland Quakers
The Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, (WILPF)
Auckland Peace Action
The Peace Foundation
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November 20, 2016 9:39am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Piss off Penny, said in a caring way.
  
  Gnome; never a mayoral candidate anywhere ever
  
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  November 20, 2016 9:56am
- Rich Prick
  
  Sorry, I thought you were talking about Trannies. My mistake, but it probably illustrates how much I care about what you scribble here.
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:05am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Pay rates, not war.
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:29am
  - sooty
    
    Did you get arrested dear penny?
    
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    November 20, 2016 11:03am
- G152
  
  pay your rates.
  And funny how those ‘terrible’ Americans are working on relief to the earthquake victims while you lot are sucking tea…
  
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  November 20, 2016 11:03am
- mikenmild
  
  You don’t want foreign warships visiting?
  What about our own warships; are they okay?
  
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  November 20, 2016 11:04am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Why do the leftie scum and the Media call them “Warships”?
  To me they are “Defence ships”
  Steve (North Shore)
  Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  November 20, 2016 4:02pm
nasska

So there’s a gathering of geriatric grannies, tea & teddy bears. Whoopee!

Pay your rates instead you gummy old fraud. 🙂
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November 20, 2016 9:49am
wiseowl

Penny.
Keeping the peace is better achieved by having a great alliance with our western friends.
Watch out or the grannys will be gobbled up by the communists and muslims they want to embrace.
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November 20, 2016 9:53am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Agree about our alliances wiseowl. We’ve seen this week how good it is to have friends when we need them.
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:42am
holysheet

Don’t you mean Trannies and friends?

What, no signature today?
Pay your rates
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November 20, 2016 9:54am
Harriet

Hey Penny who’s side are you on?

“…..George Orwell provided the clearest warning against refusing to see the darkness in your midst. He said to the left intellectuals who went along with Stalin: ‘Do remember that dishonesty and cowardice always have to be paid for. Don’t imagine that for years on end you can make yourself the bootlicking propagandist of the Soviet regime and then suddenly return to mental decency. Once a whore, always a whore.’….” 😎
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November 20, 2016 10:13am
starboard

Patrick Gower on TV3… a hideous, obscene, arrogant, argumentative little shit who got nowhere in his interview with Gerry Brownlee. What a waste of time.
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November 20, 2016 10:14am
- RF
  
  Gower is an Ugly prick with a face like the sole of a boiled sandshoe. Was he Gollums understudy in Lord of the Rings ?
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:56pm
  - starboard
    
    A true face for radio.
    
    Is Bryce Edwards a homosexual ? Judging by his look’s..loud shirts, flamboyant cardys..I think maybe.
    
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    November 20, 2016 2:10pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Why do you want to know starboard?
      
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      November 20, 2016 6:00pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Now the affair with Scott Chris is over SB is back on grindr looking for new options…. apparently
        
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        November 20, 2016 6:38pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Yeah.
    Gower’s got a face like a constipated chimpanzee’s arsehole.
    
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    November 20, 2016 2:18pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALANDS EARTHQUAKE EVENTS & POLITICAL / BUREAUCRATIC DISASTERS … CONTINUED …

… New Zealand’s degenerate public service culture …

New Zealand earthquake exposes problems in how country prepares – World – AP / CBC News

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-zealand-quake-retracing-1.3858830

The huge earthquake that hit New Zealand this past week, buckling roads, uplifting sections of coastline and killing two people, also exposed problems in how the country monitors its earthquake risk and prepares for tsunamis. And it raised questions about whether the city of Wellington put people at risk by reopening buildings too soon. … read more via hyperlink above …

Fran O’Sullivan: NZ too slow to learn from quakes – Business – NZ Herald News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11750956

It’s time New Zealand dropped its famed “number eight wire” mentality and “she’ll be right” attitude, and opted for professionalism when it comes to enforcing building standards.

Just five years on from the disastrous February 2011 earthquake which devastated the Christchurch CBD, what lessons have really been learnt?

Conflicting tsunami warnings and a 111 system that did not work properly are just the outward manifestations of a civil defence system that is too amateurville for the seismically challenged land we live in. … read more via hyperlink above …

Why is Wellington performing so poorly ? … Check quake location map within article below
Aerial shots from day after quake | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86570178/aerial-shots-from-day-after-quake
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November 20, 2016 10:15am
- starboard
  
  waffle.com.Hugh
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:20am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Pity JK hasn’t got what it takes to sort out these guys.
    
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    November 20, 2016 11:42am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Now Hugh’s true agenda is revealed…
      
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      November 20, 2016 10:10pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Whty are the Tories so incompetent ? …
  
  Timeline of the 7.8 quake and response reveals plenty of room for improvement | Stuff.co.nz
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86654229/huge-quake-exposes-problems-in-how-new-zealand-prepares
  
  The huge earthquake that hit New Zealand this past week, buckling roads, uplifting sections of coastline and killing two people, also exposed problems in how the country monitors its earthquake risk and prepares for tsunamis. And it raised questions about whether the city of Wellington put people at risk by reopening buildings too soon.
  
  The nation was spared the devastation of five years ago when 185 people were killed in the Christchurch earthquake. But some consider it was more by luck this time than by good planning.
  
  Here’s what happened, minute by minute, after the quake hit early Monday, with details on how officials intend to improve: … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  November 20, 2016 11:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    20/20 hindsight is a wonderful tool Hugh. Instead of nitpicking, maybe Nick Perry should volunteer to do the night shift at GeoNet for a year and see how he gets on.
    
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    November 20, 2016 1:49pm
  - Evadne
    
    I have read plenty of stupid articles about the eq this week, and that has to rate pretty highly amongst them. We have a journalist telling us all the things [they think] the experts have got wrong, displaying in the process their own complete ignorance.
    
    They present as some kind of central proof of this failure by Geonet et al that they underestimated the magnitude, suggesting a 6.5, and that they had to rely on the Americans to get the right figure.
    
    Anyone with any level of EQ knowledge should know that EQs of large magnitude cannot be measured at all accurately close to the epicentre, – such calculations rely on data (wave) readings from much further away…USGS being ideally placed.
    
    It behooves anyone wanting to criticise someone for ineptitude to at least grasp the rudimentals.
    
    (and what’s the nonsense conclusion that a 6.5 would make NZers turn over and go back to sleep? Chch was a 6.3!!)
    
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    November 20, 2016 2:30pm
    - Evadne
      
      Ah! I see that this point is indeed acknowledged later in the article, when they quote a US physicist, noting the “only way to properly gauge the size of an earthquake is to wait until the waves of energy have travelled through the Earth’s crust.”
      
      So why complain that NZ geophysicists made an error? And that we’re hampered by only having local sesimographs – where do they want us to put them? On our NZ territory on the other side of the world???
      
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      November 20, 2016 2:36pm
  - Fletch
    
    The same article was on phys.org.
    
    http://phys.org/news/2016-11-huge-quake-exposes-problems-zealand.html
    
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    November 20, 2016 4:39pm
wiseowl

We need more kiwi number eight wire mentality because the option we face with a raft of bureaucrats that want to stop everything,overrule anyone ,implement draconian responses and import heaps of poms with clipboards, is not going to get us through these situations.
No Hyperlink.
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November 20, 2016 10:20am
- brett68
  
  Kiwi number eight wire mentality held the country back.
  Finally we’re starting to do things properly instead of cheap and half arsed.
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:46am
  - jcuk
    
    What mildly puzzles me is the requirement for costly strengthening of buildings which didn’t fall over but new buildings, I assume strong to meet regs did, and have to be demolished?
    
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    November 20, 2016 3:48pm
- SPC
  
  Sure MPI staff want paua left to die untouched because experts said moving them might kill them. A person with common sense, would give advice about how to safely move those too far from water (or blocked by rocks etc) to get there themselves.
  
  Then there are the P contaminated houses left empty when there are only trace findings from use in the homes, not unsafe levels from making it there.
  
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  November 20, 2016 11:13am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I agree. CD are arseholes that generally make a bad situation worse. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86667671/mayor-battles-civil-defence-over-waiau-road-closure
  
  Its a bit like the police. Top guys on the beat but total morons higher up the chain of command, or any other organisation that get rid of incompetence by promoting it.
  
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  November 20, 2016 10:07pm
Keeping Stock

Penny; serious questions.

Do you think it’s fantastic that our allies from Australia, Canada and the USA diverted their naval vessels to help people stranded in Kaikoura? Or does your blind hatred of everything American not allow you to give credit where it’s due?
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November 20, 2016 10:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

Fart is not a parliamentary word
(according to Canadian Greens)

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/elizabeth-may-interrupts-michelle-rempel-for-using-unparliamentary-language-the-word-was-f-a-r-t
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November 20, 2016 10:36am
Happychappy

After hearing Bryce Edwards and reading his comments about people wanting change and sensing their need to rebel against Government Policy i am wondering whether he is having in talks with Penny the transpar’ency advocate for not paying rates and protest for hire leader to start the decent.This academic is so left and so anti the right he will not be happy until he see’s riots in New Zealand like seen in the USA.
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November 20, 2016 10:53am
- Awww C-mon
  
  It’s so disappointing to see a headline about politics and then find its for another Edwards rant.
  He gets another ‘click’ and I get well, nothing really.
  
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  November 20, 2016 12:01pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Jews aren’t stupid:

“Despite Being Born in Israel, 14 Migrants’ Children to Be Deported

The parents of the children, all aged 11, said they didn’t submit residency applications because they knew they would be rejected.”

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.753624
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November 20, 2016 11:00am
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/86173279/elderly-woman-shaken-after-rotorua-home-invasion.

5 ‘men’ against one 90 year old woman.
Name and shame the filth..the scum..the bros.
But we know..don’t we..
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November 20, 2016 11:02am
stephieboy

Jazz-Hands Mc Feels,

Opinion:

Don’t Let Trump and Bannon Help Israel Deport Its Native-born Kids of Migrants
Israeli politicians have argued that the country’s essential character will be destroyed if the migrants are not cast out. But what better way to destroy Israel’s essential character than by intentionally, callously, proudly throwing out 14 children, each of them 11 years of age.
read more:

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.753784
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November 20, 2016 11:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear stephieboy and Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

If you are going to post links to subscriber -news, could you please provide us poor folks with a brief summary of the article’s points?

I can’t afford a subscription fee of $1/month.
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November 20, 2016 11:15am
Reid

Wayne Madsen warns of the impending neocon infestation.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/18/neocon-blasts-from-past-threaten-undermine-trump-presidency.html
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November 20, 2016 12:08pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I’m pretty sure Trump can handle this.
  
  After all he’s just done what EVERYONE said was impossible and brought the Washington DC Leviathan to its knees, in what by no exaggeration is one of the greatest political feats in modern history.
  
  Take note it is a MAN who has achieved the impossible in the face of the most politically powerful elite in the world. This is why the feminist man haters are meltdowning – an ALPHA MALE beheaded their beloved Medusa monster!
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:47pm
  - Gabby
    
    Just keep your jizzy mitts outside the sheets. You’re getting all worked up again.
    
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    November 20, 2016 7:31pm
Dave Mann

I’m amazed by the sheer hate and fear expressed in the stories coming out of America since their election. Obviously this is mainly reported by the MSM – but they can’t be wrong ALL the time and the stories seem to show the Anti – Trump camp in a bad light.

The hate and fear seems to be coming mostly from the Democratic side against the president that the country elected – but there is also a fair bit coming from Trump supporters too.

I don’t remember this degree of polarisation in previous elections. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems that their country is facing a really serious social crisis on many levels.
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November 20, 2016 12:43pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Dave, I think the crisis is within the MSM, the Democrat party and the Libtard snowflakes.
  Elsewhere, the only crisis occurring is sore ribs from laughing so much.
  
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  November 20, 2016 12:50pm
  - Gabby
    
    Well a lot of hate was due to him being black and his wife apparently looking like an ape. Those reblubbiblubby libs sure hated that.
    
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    November 20, 2016 7:28pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  This is what a generation or more of Cultural Marxism has done, just as it is designed to do. Create as much social instability, conflict as possible within the target state ie a captialist Western democracy, softening it up for communist revolution within and/or outside communist invasion.
  
  Of course International Communism is a long time dead but the toxic cultural propaganda tool has continued on autopilot ever since.
  
  Maybe the Communist Bloc is finally getting its revenge from beyond the grave, lol.
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:42pm
All_on_Red

‘Mexico is willing to hold talks with U.S. President-elect Donald Trump to modernize the North American Free Trade Agreement, and to discuss how much Mexico will pay to build the wall,President Enrique Pena Nieto said’.

Nah, I’m just kidding about the last bit. I see Justin Trudeau has said he’s open to renegotiate NAFTA too so good to see Mexico and Canada recognise there is a Trade imbalance.
Heck, the rate he is going, Trumps work might be done before he is even inaugurated!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-19/mexico-seeks-trump-talks-to-modernize-nafta-pena-nieto-says
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November 20, 2016 12:48pm
Manolo

He tries to inflict the most damage:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/obama-hits-the-gas-in-race-to-regulate-before-trump-takes-reins

At federal agencies across Washington, regulators are rushing to finalise rules before President Barack Obama leaves the White House.
Where the administration has issued an average of 2.2 rules per day this year, 10 were pushed out the door on Tuesday and Wednesday, according to a count by the American Action Forum.
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November 20, 2016 12:49pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Don’t sweat it, Trump will erase Obama’s failed presidency.
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:36pm
  - stephieboy
    
    How ?
    
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    November 20, 2016 1:50pm
    - starboard
      
      Its all over stiffybot. Take it on the chin. Obumma’s yesterdays news..Trumpy is the way forward.
      
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      November 20, 2016 2:34pm
Manolo

The hopeless progressive cannot keep his mout shut:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_VATICAN_CARDINALS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-11-19-08-02-14

In Saturday’s homily, Francis commented how “we see, for example, how quickly those among us with the status of the stranger, an immigrant, or a refugee, become a threat, take on the status of an enemy. An enemy because they come from a distant country, or have different customs.”
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November 20, 2016 1:02pm
BeeSting

Truly inspirational Video below

https://www.rt.com/news/367514-isis-iraq-church-cross/

Kurdish militias & locals replace cross destroyed by ISIS atop Christian church near Mosul (VIDEO)

In a solemn ceremony on Saturday, the symbol of the Christian faith was installed atop the church, but the new plain white cross looks simple compared to the elaborately decorated one destroyed by the terrorists.

Reverend Afram al-Khoury Benyamen and other returning priests, who had just several days to clean up the mess left by retreating IS militants, then led observers in a prayer.
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November 20, 2016 1:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  BeeSting , it would be useful to remind you that the Kurdish Militias fighting ISIS are Muslim .
  
  I wonder if Trump and Flynn can work that one out .?
  
  https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/703387702998278144
  
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  November 20, 2016 1:47pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    LOL, stephieGoy and his granny girlfriend Killary are still sprawled out on the boxing ring floor trying to figure out what the f@ck just happened to them.
    
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    November 20, 2016 1:53pm
    - Gabby
      
      You just keep your jizzy mitts to yourself, feely up. Unconsciousness is not an invitation. You’ve been told.
      
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      November 20, 2016 7:24pm
  - Manolo
    
    What about all those suicide bombers? Are they Lutheran?
    
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    November 20, 2016 5:04pm
RF

My weekly rant. Will someone please tell Kieran Read that he should not be the ABs captain. I consider him to be yesterday’s man.

I know there are concerns about him and concussion is being trotted out as a possible reason to gently push him sideways.
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November 20, 2016 2:02pm
- Kimbo
  
  Julian Savea is well out of form. Fekitoa may not be up to it. Poor Aaron Smith is a tragic shadow of his form of just a few months ago (thanks, media!), Naholo will probably always be a guy who can win or lose you a test with one play
  
  …and our discipline is bloody crap.
  
  But we still won. Against what may be the second best team in the world. Well played Ireland.
  
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  November 20, 2016 2:55pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Cracking game Kimbo,
    
    Yup, shame about A. Smith
    Fekitoa, Naholo, both Savea’s Squire and Taylor are all Super Rugby players, not up to tests.
    
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    November 20, 2016 6:48pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Only 45 tries in 50 tests – Savea is obviously not up to it…
      
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      November 20, 2016 8:52pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The Julian Savea of pre-2016, indeed. Let me know when he turns up again…
        
        But I thought Squire was pretty good. But after all the drum beats earlier in the year that Ardie Savea should start ahead of Sam Cane, I think, despite Savea’s greater natural athleticism, he is still an impact-player, not a starting XV selection
        
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        November 20, 2016 8:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Good win by the Black Caps, btw. Am always surprised by our comparatively crap record against Pakistan compared to other teams from the sub-Continent. Including India.
        
        http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;team=5;template=results;type=team;view=opposition
        
        Not as bad as against South Africa, but then R J Hadlee never got to work his magic against them as he did everyone else – including that great West Indies team – in the 1980s
        
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        November 20, 2016 9:05pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Ardie Savea had a very good game this morning in the physical stuff. Sure; he didn’t get to run with the ball much, but he did some massive work on defence.
      
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      November 20, 2016 10:13pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  RF, no I won’t tell Kieran, two reasons
  
  1 You obviously dont know shit
  2 You are wrong
  
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  November 20, 2016 6:44pm
  - RF
    
    Awww C-mon.
    
    Shit….. You were my last hope. LMK if you change your mind.
    
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    November 20, 2016 8:36pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Chris Rattue agrees with you about Kieran Read. And while he (Rattue) isn’t always right, he is at least the most honest sports writer in the country, showing neither fear nor favour to anyone.
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11751745
      
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      November 20, 2016 8:47pm
      - RF
        
        Kimbo. I was with some old rugby diehards this afternoon who have forgotten more than I will ever know about the game. The General opinion is that although Ritchie was a hard act to follow, Read is a disappointment and becoming worse as he makes basic mistakes and lacks intelligent decisions. Possibly there is a medical problem. As he is not fit to be the Captain he should not be in the team.
        
        They believe Shag will be watching him like a hawk.
        
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        November 20, 2016 9:07pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Well that settles it. We can’t argue against the armchair critics.
        
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        November 20, 2016 9:18pm
BeeSting

1676

Really the best thing ever written on these matters
and still relevant to this day and the only document worth referring to going forward

I like the way it ends

KMA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks#/media/File:Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks_(sketch,_1893,_Kharkiv).jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil’s kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shallt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig’s snout, mare’s arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won’t even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we’ll conclude, for we don’t know the date and don’t own a calendar; the moon’s in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day’s the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!
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November 20, 2016 2:38pm
Kimbo

Um, why are Kerre McIvor and Rachel Smalley and Brian Edwards and…every other media commentator

…up-in-arms about Brian Tamaki? Didn’t you know this is what he believes? Seriously?!

About as pointless as criticising the Catholic Church for it’s stance on contraception, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ refusal to accept blood transfusion, or the death penalty in Islam for apostasy.
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November 20, 2016 2:50pm
- Harriet
  
  “…..um, why are ….the media up in arms about Brian…”
  
  Because Christians should know better……they are a public standard of decency or something….no no that can’t ever be the case…. 😎
  
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  November 20, 2016 3:45pm
  - nasska
    
    ……they are a public standard of decency or something….
    
    Only according to their own press releases Harriet. To the rest of us who observe, then judge them by deed rather than bluster, they have feet of clay.
    
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    November 20, 2016 4:18pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …they have feet of clay.
      
      Um, just wondering if you knew that not only your choice of phrase, but also your counsel is…100% biblical? 😉
      
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      November 20, 2016 5:52pm
      - nasska
        
        Pure coincidence Kimbo. 🙂
        
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        November 20, 2016 6:03pm
      - nasska
        
        To be fair Kimbo, I’m often reminded of Mahatma Gandhi’s observations about the quality of Godbotherer on offer:
        
        ….”‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'”…..
        
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        November 20, 2016 6:14pm
BeeSting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization_of_Kievan_Rus‘
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November 20, 2016 3:01pm
BeeSting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_the_Great
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November 20, 2016 3:04pm
Reid

Steve Bannon on what Trump is going to do, he being Trump’s top adviser.

What he seems to have carried from a boyhood in a blue-collar, union and Democratic family in Norfolk, Va., and through his tour of the American establishment, is an unreconstructed sense of class awareness, or bitterness — or betrayal. The Democratic Party betrayed its working-man roots, just as Hillary Clinton betrayed the longtime Clinton connection — Bill Clinton’s connection — to the working man. “The Clinton strength,” he says, “was to play to people without a college education. High school people. That’s how you win elections.” And, likewise, the Republican party would come to betray its working-man constituency forged under Reagan. In sum, the working man was betrayed by the establishment, or what he dismisses as the “donor class.”…

…To say that he sees this donor class — which in his telling is also “ascendant America,” e.g. the elites, as well as “the metrosexual bubble” that encompasses cosmopolitan sensibilities to be found as far and wide as Shanghai, London’s Chelsea, Hollywood and the Upper West Side — as a world apart, is an understatement. In his view, there’s hardly a connection between this world and its opposite — fly-over America, left-behind America, downwardly mobile America — hardly a common language…

“…Like [Andrew] Jackson’s populism, we’re going to build an entirely new political movement,” he says. “It’s everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I’m the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it’s the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We’re just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement.”

Bannon represents, he not unreasonably believes, the fall of the establishment. The self-satisfied, in-bred and homogenous views of the establishment are both what he is against and what has provided the opening for the Trump revolution. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” he continues. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no f—ing idea what’s going on. If The New York Times didn’t exist, CNN and MSNBC would be a test pattern. The Huffington Post and everything else is predicated on The New York Times. It’s a closed circle of information from which Hillary Clinton got all her information — and her confidence. That was our opening…”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747

Whole thing is worth reading.
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November 20, 2016 3:16pm
- nasska
  
  It was a good article thanks Reid.
  
  ….”How did someone so wrong — not just wrong, but inappropriate, unfit and “loathsome,” according to The New York Times — get it so spot-on right?”…..
  
  …..says it all to me. Nearly two weeks have passed yet their Democrats & our socialists still don’t get it.
  
  It is possible they never will because that would involve listening rather than yapping.
  
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  November 20, 2016 4:13pm
  - Reid
    
    The Purple Revolution is underway as we speak.
    
    That’s their tactic.
    
    And as you say, the Purple Revolution’s target audience to date is not who Trump supporters come from.
    
    These guys don’t make mistakes like that so you can assume this is deliberate.
    
    Which means they’re riling and rallying the troops for a confrontation, as opposed to undermining the Trump base with clever and appealing arguments and ideas.
    
    You’d think these people would desist from that if only for the overall sake and safety of the people who live in, are born in and die in, the country they claim to be fit to lead.
    
    But apparently their ambitions are much much more important than the silly ole American people.
    
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    November 20, 2016 5:53pm
Harriet

Top post Reid.
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November 20, 2016 3:55pm
starboard

Beesting..scottchris on steroids ?
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November 20, 2016 4:10pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  scottchris on steroids ?
  
  Scott Chris had the commenting style of an angry wasp, so there may be a connection.
  
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  November 20, 2016 4:27pm
  - starboard
    
    some would say a blow fly..
    
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    November 20, 2016 4:43pm
    - nasska
      
      I believe that the full quote was, “Float like a blowfly, sting like a bee. The hands can’t hit what the eyes can’t see.”
      
      Or something like that. 🙂
      
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      November 20, 2016 5:18pm
BeeSting

The Primary Chronicle reports that in the year 987, after consultation with his boyars, Vladimir the Great sent envoys to study the religions of the various neighboring nations whose representatives had been urging him to embrace their respective faiths. The result is described by the chronicler Nestor. Of the Muslim Bulgarians of the Volga the envoys reported there is no gladness among them, only sorrow and a great stench. He also reported that Islam was undesirable due to its taboo against alcoholic beverages and pork.[19] Vladimir remarked on the occasion: “Drinking is the joy of all Rus’. We cannot exist without that pleasure.”[20] Ukrainian and Russian sources also describe Vladimir consulting with Jewish envoys and questioning them about their religion, but ultimately rejecting it as well, saying that their loss of Jerusalem was evidence that they had been abandoned by God. His emissaries also visited Roman Catholic and Orthodox missionaries.[citation needed] Ultimately Vladimir settled on Eastern Orthodox Christianity. In the churches of the Germans his emissaries saw no beauty; but at Constantinople, where the full festival ritual of the Byzantine Church was set in motion to impress them, they found their ideal: “We no longer knew whether we were in heaven or on earth,” they reported, describing a majestic Divine Liturgy in Hagia Sophia, “nor such beauty, and we know not how to tell of it.”
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November 20, 2016 4:35pm
Nostradamus

Kiwiblog readers may have missed this story from a couple of weeks ago:

Woman sues KFC for $28m after chicken bucket isn’t filled to top

Anna Wurtzburger, from New York, recently bought a US$20 bucket from the fast food chain, and was outraged to find it looked different to the “overflowing” buckets in KFC’s ads.

“I came home and said, ‘Where’s the chicken?’ I thought I was going to have a couple of meals,” she told the New York Post.

“They say it feeds the whole family … You get half a bucket. That’s false advertising, and it doesn’t feed the whole family. They’re small pieces.”

The company sent the 64-year-old two gift certificates, offering her US$70 worth of chicken, but she sent them back, and instead hired a lawyer and launched a legal battle, demanding US$20 million.

Yes, apparently a US$20 bucket meal corresponds to a US$20 million claim, and I’d love to know which idiotic lawyer advised her.
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November 20, 2016 4:38pm
Manolo

A hack and thoroughly dishonest person is outraged:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/18/donna-brazile-calls-for-senate-to-reject-sessions-confirmation-as-ag/
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November 20, 2016 5:10pm
Manolo

The ultra corrupt woman needs to be consoled by our own stephieboy, pious to the extreme:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/17/people-cant-stop-talking-about-how-rough-hillary-clinton-looked-in-her-first-public-appearance/

Hillary Clinton caught everyone’s attention when she made her first public appearance on Wednesday night since losing the presidential election.
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November 20, 2016 5:14pm
- nasska
  
  I’m sure that she’ll get over the heartbreak of the occasion & get herself together Manolo.
  
  I did! 🙂
  
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  November 20, 2016 5:22pm
big bruv

I note that this thread opened with a comment about a television programme. Well, I have just watched a show that may well go down in history as the one that really began the death of TV networks as we know them. Due to the wonders of a VPN I have been able to pay for and watch the first episode of Jeremy Clarkson’s new show ‘The Grand Tour”. It was nothing short of outstanding. I cannot wait for next weeks episode.
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November 20, 2016 7:08pm
- mikenmild
  
  What will you do instead of waiting, then?
  
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  November 20, 2016 7:11pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Watch the All Blacks beat Ireland
    
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    November 20, 2016 8:07pm
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      Probably concentrating on slow-mo replays of Beauden Barrett’s try, wondering how the Irishman didn’t get sinbinned with a penalty restart.
      
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      November 20, 2016 8:44pm
SPC

The USA of A had better order their stocks of orange dye spray or Trump is gonna look as old pale and grey as a person in their 70’s who visits the outdoor yard once a day for half an hour or so.

If he serves a second term he will look Melania’s grandfather.
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November 20, 2016 7:09pm
- Gabby
  
  He might shout himself a Haggy-style Beatle wig. I’d like to see that.
  
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  November 20, 2016 7:12pm
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    this time of day its amazing you are coherent, are you on new meds Gabster?
    
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    November 20, 2016 7:28pm
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    Haggy style Beatle wigs are all the rage down in Riverton booby?
    
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    November 20, 2016 11:35pm
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      Who’s this booby to whom you speak, acneman? Is your sock on too tight?
      
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      November 21, 2016 8:35am
- mikenmild
  
  You think Melania will be around for the second term?
  
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  November 20, 2016 7:13pm
nasska

Melania scored herself her very own billionaire & the title of First Lady……she’ll stick around.
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November 20, 2016 7:22pm
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  I’m sure she’d like to, but I wouldn’t rule out Mrs Trump mark 4
  
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  November 20, 2016 8:47pm
Ross12

Interesting analysis of voting in California especially given Trump did not put much effort into the state.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/11/19/trump-won-state-jefferson/
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November 20, 2016 8:12pm
Left Right and Centre

The P town report for Nazstar . . .
Cycling next to stream.
Seal in stream (that’s unusual)
Lowlife cuzzy-bro young boy throwing rocks at it.
Lowlife teen cuzzy-bro sitting down drinking a Cody at 1pm throwing rocks at it.
He says to me ‘see the seal’ ?
I say: you mean the one you’re throwing rocks at ?
He laughs like an evil fuckwit.

Point: these are the same charming c*%nts that are portrayed as victims by msm. Truth: nasty evil vermin.
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November 21, 2016 3:35am
Manolo

Merkel threatens:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/merkel-expected-announce-bid-fourth-term-sunday-042458056.html
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November 21, 2016 6:49am
Manolo

Who will be appointed next?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-picks-sessions-attorney-general-pompeo-cia-135105869.html
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