General Debate 1 November 2016

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Andrei

If you are watching the US Presidential election with increasing dismay, as most sane people are, it is refreshing to hear an adult speak

People sense an ever-growing gap between their interests and the elite’s vision of the only correct course, a course the elite itself chooses. The result is that referendums and elections increasingly often create surprises for the authorities. People do not at all vote as the official and respectable media outlets advised them to, nor as the mainstream parties advised them to. Public movements that only recently were too far left or too far right are taking centre stage and pushing the political heavyweights aside.

At first, these inconvenient results were hastily declared anomaly or chance. But when they became more frequent, people started saying that society does not understand those at the summit of power and has not yet matured sufficiently to be able to assess the authorities’ labour for the public good. Or they sink into hysteria and declare it the result of foreign, usually Russian, propaganda.

Friends and colleagues, I would like to have such a propaganda machine here in Russia, but regrettably, this is not the case. We have not even global mass media outlets of the likes of CNN, BBC and others. We simply do not have this kind of capability yet.

As for the claim that the fringe and populists have defeated the sensible, sober and responsible minority – we are not talking about populists or anything like that but about ordinary people, ordinary citizens who are losing trust in the ruling class. That is the problem.

By the way, with the political agenda already eviscerated as it is, and with elections ceasing to be an instrument for change but consisting instead of nothing but scandals and digging up dirt – who gave someone a pinch, who sleeps with whom, if you’ll excuse me. This just goes beyond all boundaries. And honestly, a look at various candidates’ platforms gives the impression that they were made from the same mould – the difference is slight, if there is any.

It seems as if the elites do not see the deepening stratification in society and the erosion of the middle class, while at the same time, they implant ideological ideas that, in my opinion, are destructive to cultural and national identity. And in certain cases, in some countries they subvert national interests and renounce sovereignty in exchange for the favour of the suzerain.

This begs the question: who is actually the fringe? The expanding class of the supranational oligarchy and bureaucracy, which is in fact often not elected and not controlled by society, or the majority of citizens, who want simple and plain things – stability, free development of their countries, prospects for their lives and the lives of their children, preserving their cultural identity, and, finally, basic security for themselves and their loved ones.

– Vladimir Putin, October 27, 2016
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November 1, 2016 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Doesn’t Putin get rid of people too?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:20am
- tom hunter
  
  From Amazon. Something everybody who is interested in Putin should read:
  
  The Less You Know, The Better You Sleep
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:54am
  - Andrei
    
    You read books by conspiracy theorists Tom Hunter?
    
    I’d have thought better of you
    
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    November 1, 2016 8:59am
    - tom hunter
      
      That’s one of the things that’s so funny, Andrei.
      
      What if, one day in the next few years, you find out that it was actually you who was the “victim” of propaganda? That it was actually you and others like you, who swallowed whole the carefully fabricated lies of an ex-KGB man, because of your love of Mother Russia.
      
      Not to mention those who run around talking about “stooooppid sheeple”, being revealed as exactly that.
      
      I have to admit though, that were a conspiracy theory being weaved, it would never involve killing someone with Polonium 210. That would be too wild for Hollywood. Except of course that that’s what happened. I actually have to “admire” the Mafia-like approach; killing someone in such a way as to retain plausible deniability – while also sending a direct message to others as to who it was.
      
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      November 1, 2016 9:05am
      - Andrei
        
        I never use the term “stooooppid sheeple” Tom Hunter though I have from time to time accused some who comment hear of bleating like a sheep.
        
        Do you really believe VVP was behind the apartment bombings and the Moscow theatre crisis?
        
        Do you also believe George Bush was behind 9/11?
        
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        November 1, 2016 9:11am
      - kowtow
        
        Yes Putin is dangerous and no doubt his secret service kills people.
        
        Funny thing though is how the wests’ MSM and gummints seem to think he’s the only evil player on the international stage.
        
        The EU is driving hard into what was shall we say the Russian area of interest in a way the EU would not tolerate someone else doing the same thing.
        
        Turkey , a NATO ally and EU aspirant is currently engaged in a very serious purge that goes largely unremarked in the west.
        
        The west destroyed Libya turning it into a failed state,opening it up as a human trafficking route to Europe , Europe “rescues” the illegal migrants literally causing thousands of deaths by drowning.
        
        Syria has been destabalised by Sunni states such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar , and now with western connivance , millions displaced, tens of thousands dead and the west has the nerve to accuse the Russians of war crimes there.
        
        China acts with impunity , secret prisons, aggressive expansion into the South China Sea. Abductions and illegal detention , and yet we queue up to lick their arse.
        
        Obama , the Greatest orator and legal mind the world has ever known, extra judicial killings by drone war over Pakistan, Afghanistan, Africa , Yemen ………..silence.
        
        Trump , Trump Trump, thumps the MSM.
        Putin Putin Putin thumps the MSM.
        
        Someones’ having the wool pulled over their eyes.
        
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        November 1, 2016 9:32am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Tom Hunter,
    What makes this blog so good is people like you alerting us to video clips that are so good.
    Have a wonderful day. Back Hartnell!
    
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    November 1, 2016 9:43am
- Ross12
  
  Andrei
  
  I read this post earlier and thought I’d wait to see how many down ticks it got before saying anything. I don’t know if Putin wrote this himself or it written done by a “speech writer”but if not I’m sure he would have gone over it very well before it was allowed to be published.
  If you had not put an attribution at the bottom I doubt anyone would have down ticked it. It has to be one of the more sane commentaries I’ve read in recent months.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:10am
- DoctorDoc
  
  Yeah Andrei we all know you have a disturbing perverted obsession with the KGB midget because you’re a closeted queer commie.
  
  Andrei’s Putin-lust has gotten so bad he probably thinks of Vlad when he needs to be intinmate with his haggard old Russian wife, most likely called Olga.
  
  Seek help you fucking weirdo
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:42am
  - Dave Mann
    
    That was unnecessarily rude and abusive. You’re the one who needs help.
    
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    November 1, 2016 9:51am
  - Jack5
    
    DoctorDoc, we usually leave posters’ spouses or partners or families out of the melee on Kiwiblog. The penalty for transgression is to be torn up by the mob.
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:50am
    - DoctorDoc
      
      I’m not trying to insult Andrei’s wife. if anything I feel sorry for her as if Andrei is anything in real life like he is on here then she has to put up with her retarded husband always talking about Putin and the gays.
      
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      November 1, 2016 11:19am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Very mature, nice…. The kindergarten section on this blog … Oh that’s right, mostly mature people debate here. Go to the standard or someother piece of muck and post there..
    
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    November 1, 2016 8:43pm
- alloytoo
  
  Can’t really fault the bulk of his analysis.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:00am
  - tom hunter
    
    True, but of course it’s all grist to Putin’s mill of weakening the Western powers as much as possible – sowing further discord, weakening alliances, rubbishing democracy (the oldest Soviet ploy in the book), and so forth.
    
    The fact that so much of this critque could be applied to him and his cronies – the elite who run Russia – is an added touch of irony that I’m sure he chuckles about. Throw some red meat about gay pride parades to the likes of Andrei and they’ll swallow everything else as well.
    
    He’s played a weak hand extremly well over the last few years.
    
    As far as the US Presidential election is concerned I’m sure Vlad could not care less whether Trump or Clinton is elected. As long as both are hamstrung and paralysed by internal fighting with the FBI, Congress and private groups, not to mention the voters at large, as they take office that will be fine. It leaves him with much more room to move in the areas he cares about.
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:13am
- Jack5
  
  There’s a lot to agree with in this. Putin’s a tough, ruthless guy, but America’s potential leaders sure as hell aren’t saints.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:36am
Happychappy

I wonder if the penis will help decide the USA election and help hinder Micheal Woods chance of victory in Mt Roskil.One wants to show his to the world and the other doesn’t like sucking the lolly and makes election promise’s to rid NZ of them
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November 1, 2016 8:16am
Scott

Bill Clinton addressed a crowd of 50 people at an election rally today in a high school gym. 50 people! Apparently Hillary’s crowds are averaging at 380 people.
On the other hand Trump’s crowds are at least 10 times that and maybe up to 100 times that. He gets record huge crowds, she gets small crowds.
So there is a huge gap in enthusiasm for the candidates.
Enthusiasm does matter.
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November 1, 2016 8:24am
- holysheet
  
  I always knew size did matter. What more proof do you need?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:35am
- jcuk
  
  Anyone who obscures their number plate with a bike deserves to have it eaten. Pity Keas only eat soft stuff, not metal.
  I photographed my rear plate and made a second visible plate fixed to the bike carrier for when I transported my bike.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Poor kea

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/85918473/the-lonely-kea-forever-the-bridesmaid-in-bird-comp
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November 1, 2016 8:25am
- Jack5
  
  I blame Marnie, Kiwiblog’s kea, for creating bad publicity.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:41am
sooty

Chris Trotter says Labour do not want to win Hutt South. Labour MPs do not want to be the goverment, because then they have to do some work. Where else can they sit on their arse and earn so much! All they have to do is bet the Greens!
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November 1, 2016 8:32am
- cmm
  
  Yup that’s what I’ve been saying for a long while now.
  
  It sure doesn’t make sense for Andy to try win. As leader of the opposition he gets the same goody bag as a cabinet minister (about $250k + benefits) for absolutely no responsibility. He doesn’t even have electoral offices to clean when they get egged on the week ends.
  
  If Labour won and he was PM, he’d get another $200k + a few more toys. Is that really worth all the responsibility and duties?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I think we should keep paying JK the extra $200K rather than waste it on an angry little unionist who would send the country down the shitter.
    
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    November 1, 2016 9:23am
    - sooty
      
      Isint he working for free, from memory.
      
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      November 1, 2016 9:49pm
tom hunter

Two minutes of deliciousness as Meet The Press compiles a wide sample of Democrats praising FBI Director, James Comey, as a man of integrity, high standards, moral fibre and all the rest of that good stuff…

…Back in July, 2016
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November 1, 2016 8:41am
Scott

For those who think Hillary’s emails and the mishandling of classified information is no big deal check out this article, the most informed I have read. Headline – if anyone else had handled classified information like she did they’d be in jail.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303499-hillarys-emails-matter-a-retired-cia-officer
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November 1, 2016 8:46am
- jcuk
  
  In a similar manner my better half says she doesn’t know what all the fuss is about … if a guy pinched her bottom she simply ignored him …”would not go out with him” 🙂
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:53am
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps Generals Cartwright and Patraeus have something to say? And Powell dodged a bullet, just.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:14am
stephieboy

Scott, this where the contributor goes off track,

“Hillary Clinton supporters like to ask rhetorically, “Well, what about Colin Powell?” Nice try, but using your own private email address which received 2 emails determined to be classified later, is nothing like deliberately operating a home brewed server, and then see it handle thousands of classified e-mails.”

The word ” deliberately ” suggests intent , design , resolve or scheme etc.

Absolutely none of that !
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November 1, 2016 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  If it is not deliberate (highly unlikely), then it points to extreme carelessness; not an ideal quality in a leader. It may also point to a medical condition which blurs the line between fantasy and reality.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So purposely deleting 33,000 emails is not a deliberate action……
  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-emails-secretary-state/story?id=42389308
  thanks for clearing that little matter up stephieboy
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:07am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Not to mention the random accidental hammer attacks on 13 mobile devices.
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:17am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Heh, it wasn’t the Russians after all, it was us, or our fat German to be precise. It would be funny if it turned out to have something to it.
    
    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/28/the_kim_dotcom_theory
    
    Turns out that maybe the 33,000 emails weren’t completely deleted.
    
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    November 1, 2016 4:03pm
- thedavincimode
  
  He certainly did go off track stephie. The correct answer to “what about Colin Powell?” was in fact: “what about Colin Powell – what has that got to do with Clinton?”
  
  Maybe you could explain.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:30am
EAD

Just watched the YouTube video of Trump’s latest speech that is going VIRAL!

https://youtu.be/tHsZxJlxHYw

I’ve always been one for a stiff upper lip (must be the ancestry) but this even got me fired up as Trump calls to arms all of the little people in America who the establishment actively work against.

I’m looking forward to the MSM choking on their weetbix and wiping away their tears when in 10 days they’re forced to say “welcome President Trump”!
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November 1, 2016 9:03am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Yeah a few of us have been calling it for the last few months. You can tell the commentators here who get the majority of their news from elite (Clinton) controlled media organisations.
  
  On the bright side all those organisations who called it for Hillary and did everything in their power to get her elected now have approximate favourability ratings to hers.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:17am
- fernglas
  
  I see a lot of important thespians and admired auteurs are threatening to leave the US if Trump wins. I am considering leaving the world if that happens.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:19am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Have to wonder why these thespians and entertainers aren’t considering Mexico as a destination.
    
    Could it be they’re racist?
    
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    November 1, 2016 9:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Oh gee, you mean then we will have to forego being lectured by the likes of Leo DiCaprio on Climate Change while he flies around in his Gulfstream and rents a 150′ Yacht for his holidays?
    Oh how sad.
    Ps Is Lena Dunham going too?
    #bonus
    
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    November 1, 2016 9:37am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      This Leo DiCaprio…
      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/leonardo-dicaprio-malaysian-money-scandal-920199
      receiver of Malaysia’s embezzled $multi-millions
      
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      November 1, 2016 10:20am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , same bullshit was spouted prior to Bush winning ? Did the fuckers leave? Don’t think so. Lying wankers the lot of them.
    
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    November 1, 2016 12:31pm
- doggone7
  
  Hitler did a good line in getting a crowd going too.
  That turned into a roaring success.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:33am
Manolo

Thanking the pervert and wife:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/31/trump_thank_you_anthony_weiner_good_job_huma.html
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November 1, 2016 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , you must know that Huma Abedin has separated from Anthony Weiner and is suing for divorce ,
  
  http://qz.com/769084/huma-abedin-seperating-from-anthony-weiner-sexting-scandal/
  
  Anthony Weiner might wish to attend the hearing set down for January where Trump faces a civil suit for Raping a 13-year-old courtesy of his buddy Pedophile Jeffery Epstein !
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:02am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    You would think a website with such important information would know how to spell “separating”
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:32am
  - MickMac
    
    Now who’s going to be her beard?
    
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    November 2, 2016 7:27pm
Stars And Stripes

Any party advocating the abolishing of WINZ food vouchers would have to be worth a look I reckon.
Just stood in a queue at Countdown while some smelly white trash chick with three rabid kids tried to get $120 worth of freebies with a $100 voucher.
No you can’t loser and putting one item back at a time worth about $1.50 still does not make it balance.
Instead of making everyone wait for about 10 minutes while you sort your shit out why don’t you pay the extra couple of $$$ yourself.
No of course not because then it’s not all free is it and I won’t have money for Lotto on Wednesday.
Absolutely makes my day to know I help to keep such filth alive.
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November 1, 2016 9:19am
- itstricky
  
  You’re obviously in a charitable mood, you could’ve spotted her for the Lotto ticket. God forbid you’d ever end up in a similar situation:
  
  Maybe you’ve paid for:
  
  doctors visits
  dental treatment
  clothing for a job interview
  school clothes or materials for your child.
  
  You may also find that you have less income this week because:
  
  you’ve been off work due to sickness but you’re not eligible for sick pay
  your hours are reduced unexpectedly.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:05am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yeah cry me a river itstricky.
    
    Interesting the examples you give because in reality I don’t think the trashy chick involved here would have paid for any of the things you listed as she would have got all this free from WINZ as well.
    Why?, because she is a useless bludger who just sponges off idiots like me who have a job.
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:12am
    - itstricky
      
      You can tell that, just by looking at someone?
      
      Wow.
      
      Do you have one of those x-ray vision glasses sets from the 80s?
      
      Examples are a direct quote of the WINZ page on food vouchers. I’m sure you’ll never ever ever lose your job, or suffer ill health, or take a reduction in pay. Never. Ever. Of course not. Nah, wouldn’t happen.
      
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      November 1, 2016 11:25am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        “You can tell that, just by looking at someone?”
        
        Actually yes I can and most other people without sight problems can as well.
        The women concerned had body odour, raggy clothes, dirty matted pink hair with a large bull ring in her nose and was unable to string together any sentence without using the word fuck in it even though she was in a public area and everyone could hear her.
        As for the kids, well they all had snot running down there faces and looked like they all needed a bath too.
        Any more questions?.
        
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        November 1, 2016 11:36am
      - itstricky
        
        Any more questions?
        
        Yeah. Where did you buy that Soothsayer device that tells you that you’ll never end up in that dire situation?
        
        Same place you got the instant-backstory-judgement x-ray specs?
        
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        November 1, 2016 2:55pm
    - GoVege
      
      Didn’t you feel sorry for the kids, being dragged up by such an inadequate mother?
      I would have at least given them a smile.
      And maybe got the car number if I was really worried.
      
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      November 1, 2016 12:13pm
      - kowtow
        
        Lamb chops would be more useful.
        
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        November 1, 2016 12:37pm
    - GoVege
      
      Stop complaining Stripes and DO something!
      Hassle your mates in National to pay losers to have the contraceptive injection.
      I’m sure Anne Tolley was trying to do something pro-active but got no support.
      
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      November 1, 2016 12:19pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        I don’t know where you got the idea that I am a National cheerleader let alone have mates who I can consult?.
        As for solutions how about starve the bastards out and follow this up with a bulldozer.
        Much more cost effective.
        
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        November 1, 2016 12:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        We don’t bulldoze the poor here, Stripes.
        This is not Beijing.
        You’d never get away with it!
        
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        November 1, 2016 1:45pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Paul Henry should have been in the queue. I bet he would not be impressed with her tits.
  
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  November 1, 2016 11:29am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Homosexual peadophile will have plenty of dicks to suck for the next 12 years.
  
  Melbourne rugby player gets 12 years’ jail for attempting to rape six-year-old boy in US
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11739710
  
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  November 1, 2016 11:33am
dime

so this championof the left/ paedophile had 650,000 emails on his home PC? LMAO

id love to see him do a 15 year stretch, the muslim wife and hillary would also look great in orange 🙂
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November 1, 2016 9:23am
- Andrei
  
  Do they make pant suits in orange?
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hillary can recycle her own one
    http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/vlcsnap-2015-08-21-08h57m12s117-e1440161898132.png
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:24am
  - wiseowl
    
    A new meaning for Fanta pants.
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:47am
- itstricky
  
  I think Trump has already trumped the orange look. Skin & (syrup) hair at the same time. Beats any bit of clothing.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:51am
  - dime
    
    it would also take a lot of fabric to cover the huge toilet clinton has
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:27am
EAD

Thanks dieversity:

Law enforcement chiefs today made an unprecedented appeal for the public to help police prevent terrorists from using machineguns and other illegal weapons to inflict “immeasurable harm” on Britain’s streets.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrorist-alert-issued-over-machine-guns-on-the-streets-of-london-a3383346.html

Glad the so called “refugee” invasion is of all ages and sexes rather than just being 95% military age males who could use these machine guns. Oh wait.

Anyhow, glad the MSM didn’t work hand in glove with the Politicians to take the first opportunity to disarm the law abiding, long standing populations of the West of their firearms so that they can protect themselves…… Oh wait.

Glad the MSM and the likes of Soros are not whipping up racial tensions to unprecedented levels…..Oh wait.

OK, at least our economies are strong and robust and their is plenty of scope to normalise interest rates without the deepest recession the world has ever seen…..oh wait.

It doesn’t take a conspiracy theorist to see that the Elites have built a powder keg.
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November 1, 2016 9:49am
- itstricky
  
  Anyhow, glad the MSM didn’t work hand in glove with the Politicians to take the first opportunity to disarm
  
  When did that happen?
  
  Glad the MSM and the likes of Soros are not whipping up racial tensions
  
  Sorry, don’t a hundred people come here a day to tell us how the MSM are pussy footing around racial tensions and not “telling it like it is?”. That doesn’t sound like “whipping up”
  
  the Elites have built a powder keg
  
  Does it blow before the economic collapse (BEEC – Before EAD Economic Collapse) or after (AEEC) ?
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:09am
stephieboy

EAD , it is vitally important that you provide us your National Socialist agenda to sought this ” dieversity ” out .

Especially relevant is how you and your fellow National Socialists will sort out the Jews ( Soros etc ) whom you have claimed are behind the elites building this ” powder keg ” ?
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November 1, 2016 9:56am
Stars And Stripes

Outdoor smoking stubbed out in 20 Chch establishments.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/316986/outdoor-smoking-stubbed-out-in-20-chch-establishments

The zealots are going hard in Christchurch by the sounds of it.
Well why we are at it why don’t we persecute anyone who orders a soft drink with their meal also or horror of horrors opts for a non vegetarian option.
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November 1, 2016 10:19am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Once again, Muslim countries are leading the way and very progressive, miles ahead of NZ. However, it is good to see Christchurch taking small steps in the right direction.
  
  Soon we will be like paradise we know and love – Saudi Arabia.
  
  No Smoking, no drinking, no food which is not halal and most importantly no Jews.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:35am
  - Jack5
    
    I wonder if Christchurch will exempt hookah smoking as part of the city’s multicultural mania? (Christchurch didn’t seem to mind a cigar bar – but only before the bonds of communism began to loosen in Havana.)
    
    In case they do, here’s what the medical folk think of the hookah (the pipe, not the worm):
    
    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/quit-smoking/expert-answers/hookah/faq-20057920
    
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    November 1, 2016 10:46am
    - Komata
      
      Jack5
      
      Re: ‘I wonder if Christchurch will exempt hookah smoking as part of the city’s multicultural mania?’
      
      Hamilton already has – in Hood Street, the area defined as being the city’s ‘entertainment’ zone. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it is constantly inhabited by those males politely described as ‘being of Middle Eastern extraction’.
      
      The HCC evidently has no problems with it at all…
      
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      November 1, 2016 10:59am
- itstricky
  
  You don’t want to pay for ‘useless bludgers’ but you’re happy to pay for the health costs of smokers?
  
  What about ‘useless bludgers’ who are smokers? Would you pay for them?
  
  Help me out here, I’m having a hard time seeing where you’re coming from with all this.
  
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  November 1, 2016 11:28am
  - dime
    
    yeah youre right. private health insurance for all.
    
    if you smoke, your premium goes through the roof no doubt. the market would soon fix it.
    
    sure the herald would trot out a few “kiwi mums” who are coughing up black shit and dont have proper insurance.. then a give a little page would start for them and a few people would donate.. after a while we would move on.
    
    poor smokers or low iq idiots without the foresight to get insurance would die.. shit happens.
    
    course, we wouldnt need the giant taxes on smokes then, so maybe people could use that money to get insurance.
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:38am
    - GoVege
      
      It’s probably nothing to do with IQ, dime.
      It has more to do with family unity and support.
      After my uncle deserted my aunt with 4 young children, she took up smoking to ease the drudgery of the factory jobs she had to take to support their children.
      There are many reasons for people taking up bad habits.
      
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      November 1, 2016 12:42pm
  - tom hunter
    
    There have been a number of studies made in the West that showed the overall costs of smokers was less than “healthy” people because they died sooner. I assume that was due to the pension costs of non-smokers exceeding the health-care costs of smokers in the acturial comparisons.
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:41am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes. For all the criticism of Maori welfare rates, the fact that on average they have a shorter life expectancy than non-Maori means they receive less National Superannuation.
      
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      November 1, 2016 11:47am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Smokers have paid for their health costs through extra tax on cigarettes so I don’t have any issue with this.
    Have beneficiaries and other bludgers contributed extra tax to pay for all their welfare benefits?.
    No that’s right most haven’t actually contributed anything have they as all they do in their useless lives is take take take.
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:42am
    - GoVege
      
      If they paid proper wages, those bludgers might have an incentive to get out and work…
      
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      November 1, 2016 12:28pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Seriously?.
        Millions of people in countries round the world would give anything to earn even the minimum wage paid in NZ and you talk about people not working because the pay is poor.
        I started off on the minimum wage in my first job but used this as a stepping stone to bigger and better things just like others can.
        Sorry they are just lazy demotivated spongers.
        
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        November 1, 2016 1:09pm
      - dime
        
        can you define for me what you consider to be “proper wages”?
        
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        November 1, 2016 1:32pm
      - GoVege
        
        They used to pay them 30 years ago when I was single, dime.
        I was able to save enough deposit for a modest home in just a few years of working in an unskilled job.
        Nowadays the pay will not keep body and soul together and definitely not pay for a home.
        Of course these days you could always move to a small city where it’s cheaper and try working for yourself.
        That’s what both sets of my grandparents did.
        
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        November 1, 2016 3:04pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yes, Stripes, a lot of them probably are “de-motivated” bludgers.
        Probably because this country has been allowing couples to cop out of their parental responsibilities for many years now.
        The state may provide the money to support unparented kids, but it doesn’t provide the support and motivation they need to better themselves.
        
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        November 1, 2016 3:16pm
    - itstricky
      
      Wow, you’ve also got a wide sweeping generic judgement accordion. Where did you pick that up?
      
      I used to have one. Problem is, they’re not always that accurate when it comes down to the individual notes.
      
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      November 1, 2016 3:01pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Soothsayer devices, x ray specs and judgement accordions.
        Well itstricky I must give you credit for a very vivid Sci Fi type imagination which is really working overtime today.
        However as I have mentioned before and I’m sure you will know I never use generalisations, stereotypes or labels but only deal in facts and substance?.
        Also if you cannot differentiate between the smell of tobacco and body odour then shop at Pak n Save more often and you will learn quickly.
        
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        November 1, 2016 3:29pm
      - itstricky
        
        Why, thank you.
        
        Of course.
        
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        November 1, 2016 8:54pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Just perhaps itstricky, smokers (at least those buying them legally) pay additional taxes on their purchases to more than fund their treatments if needed. And they typically claim less superannuation. Economically there’s zero argument against smoking as currently taxed; in fact if smoking stopped overnight there would be a need to find the missing tax take from somewhere else.
    
    That should help you out.
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:59am
    - itstricky
      
      Let’s summarise for S&S, then.
      
      If you’re a smoking useless bludger, then you’re actually a net positive for the country, as opposed to a non-smoking useless bludger.
      
      That woman in the line, S&S, could that odour have been tobacco?
      
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      November 1, 2016 3:07pm
- GoVege
  
  As if you could find a vegetarian option in the South Island!
  
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  November 1, 2016 12:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Interesting how fashionable it has become to bag tobacco , smokers , on the basis of it being unhealthy, the cost to the health system etc
  
  But what about fat bastards. Through their laziness, lack of discipline and self indulgence they fuck up their own health, put a massive strain on the health system and are shocking role models.
  
  Ban fatties.
  
  Fatty Bastard Free Aotearoa 2025!
  
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  November 1, 2016 12:48pm
- ross411
  
  Because smoking stinks. I’ve been 20 meters away from a smoker and walking along, wondering where the stink was. And there it was, a smoker.
  
  Drinking soft drink or eating non-vegetarian doesn’t ruin the experience of breathing for anyone within however many meters.
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:02pm
Ross12

These Reddit guys really get into the Wikileak emails.I wonder what Hagar would have to say about Schmitt’s ( Google) idea about data collection. Makes the GCSB look like kindie kids.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ac43p/new_wikileaks_podesta_emails_part_24_email_id/

We can now see why Clinton looked like a robot answering some of the debate questions.
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November 1, 2016 10:24am
- dime
  
  these emails are just unbelievable
  
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  November 1, 2016 1:33pm
  - ross411
    
    Unbelievable that they haven’t torpedoed Clinton, considering what’s in them.
    
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    November 1, 2016 7:03pm
Jack5

Have you noticed that all hakas are now “moving”? To some New Zealanders it’s become a cliche – overdone, an interesting cultural custom that’s losing its appeal through over-performance. “Hell, not another haka.”

On the Hooerald web site a roughly (Western) dressed Maori does a lone haka to declare Maori support for Dakota Indians and supporters who are opposed to an oil line from Canada.

The heading says: “Kiwi’s moving haka to inspire Dakota pipeline protesters”.

Obviously a war dance is moving physically, and seen for the first time a haka may be scary. But why does the MSM believe every haka is “moving” in an emotional way?
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November 1, 2016 10:24am
- Biscuit
  
  Am I alone in thinking the haka is cringeworthy?
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:25am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:14am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  I think they are using “moving” in the metaphorical sense, as in it turns your stomach and gives you the shits every time you see it.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:32am
- itstricky
  
  War haka were originally performed by warriors before a battle, proclaiming their strength and prowess in order to intimidate the opposition, but haka are also performed for various reasons: for welcoming distinguished guests, or to acknowledge great achievements, occasions or funerals, and kapa haka performance groups are very common in schools.
  
  I’m glad I could help you with your education, no need to thank me.
  
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  November 1, 2016 11:30am
- dirty harry
  
  Moving in a physical way also..gives me the shits
  
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  November 1, 2016 11:52am
- Jack5
  
  Was it the haka that fired up this Sioux woman?
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/red-fawn-fallis-dakota-access-pipeline-protester-c/
  
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  November 2, 2016 12:05am
Biscuit

To IMPORTANT stuff: Who is gonna win the Melbourne Cup?

I am going Almoonqith over Esospheric with Hartnel third…
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November 1, 2016 10:24am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Coming from a background where Camels are the main racing animal, I find this Melbourne Cup quite interesting, but confusing.
  
  I guess it the same for many immigrants coming from Europe when they compare rugby and football.
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Hey Padriv
    
    Not to worry. With global warming the turf will turn to sand and the horses can be substituted for camels so all those ‘new’ Australians will be able to feel very much at home.
    
    Insh Allah
    
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    November 1, 2016 12:51pm
    - holysheet
      
      There are more camels in the Aussie outback than in any other place in the world. Must be some good recers amongst that lot. Quick, Padriv get your arse over there and get in on the ground floor in a new industry before anyone else.
      
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      November 1, 2016 4:20pm
wiseowl

Bondi Beach for Cup.

Biscuit .No your not.
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November 1, 2016 10:28am
Manolo

Isn’t multiculturalism wonderful?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3889334/Danish-police-bodies-Syrian-refugees-freezer.html

A Syrian migrant is on the run in Denmark after his wife and two daughters were found dead in his freezer, it has emerged.

The bodies of the 27-year-old mother and her seven and nine-year-old daughters were found at their apartment in the Danish city of Aabenraa.
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November 1, 2016 11:15am
- GoVege
  
  Probably the dad was in a major depression from only having daughters.
  What a sickening crime in such a beautiful little town.
  
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  November 1, 2016 12:25pm
Ashley Schaeffer

These spineless cucks make me sick.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/85940229/Hilary-Duff-boyfriend-Jason-Walsh-apologise-for-offensive-Halloween-costumes
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November 1, 2016 11:18am
- Andrei
  
  They should have taken advice from these people 🙂
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVpZBdhI72c
  
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  November 1, 2016 11:22am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  FFS. Saw my bloody dick off. Outraged??? What a lovely PC world these fucking wankers live in.
  
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  November 1, 2016 6:35pm
EAD

Good article on the rapidly growing alt-right:

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/10/30/interview-on-the-alt-right-its-origins/

The Alt-Right doesn’t feel the need to compromise on self-interests or in-group affinity because we’ve been shown by the left’s client populations that being ethnocentric is completely fine.

Blacks and mestizos are told to celebrate their cultures and rent-seek off Whites. The Alt-Right’s goal is to turn the tables. The gaslighting about White guilt and privilege is going to sputter out. We don’t need a reason to be pro-ourselves or self-respecting. And we don’t owe predatory tax farmers a cent. Yet there is an entire moral framework built around convincing us to respect other groups and side with them in conflict while neglecting our own group, if not condemning our own group altogether.

But the Alt-Right has also benefited from the dismantling of majoritarian society. A fellow traveler who is a bit older than I am once put it best when he said “It didn’t have to be this way; I have non-white friends from my generation who get everything I’m saying.”

The weaponization of demographics to achieve leftist political change, beginning in 1965 with the repeal of the United States’ Eurocentric immigration policies—in a country that is indeed driven by immigration—all but assured there would be an ethnic struggle, politically or worse, in the future. Nothing like this has ever been done peacefully before—the creation of a new ethnic majority in a lifetime (1965-2040).

There is simply too much being asked of us, that not only should we lie down and die out, but damn ourselves while doing it. We could have lived with minorities and we did—most societies in fact do. But you can’t steal a country out from under a majority, work to demographically marginalize them, and expect them to not develop an ideology around wanting that country back. The planting of Ulster is a good analogy. The Ascendancy of this country doesn’t like us and wants to settle some friendly aliens in our lands so as to secure their rule. The Alt-Right is a response to that.
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November 1, 2016 11:24am
Kimbo

A basic rule of New Zealand constitutional safeguards and reform – if Geoffrey Palmer says it, it is shit. Here’s a good response to his nonsense idea of a written (or more exactly, codified) constitution. Particularly liked the comment that it is preferable to have laws made by elected legislators, not unelected SCOTUS judges:

Thomas Gibbons: Written constitution unwanted and unwarranted

5:00 AM Tuesday Nov 1, 2016

• Thomas Gibbons is a Hamilton lawyer

Sir Geoffrey Palmer and a fellow lawyer, Andrew Butler, have proposed a single written constitution, arguing that almost every other nation has a single written constitution, and – more importantly for these purposes – that such a document would be more accessible and enhance the public’s understanding of constitutional matters.

On this ground, the proposal is disingenuous. Even nations with an established single document called a “constitution” have a broader edifice of constitutional law. US constitutional scholars have come to talk of their own “unwritten” constitution.

They talk of a “thin” and a “thick” constitution: the latter being the full document, the former the part the public understands, which includes the Bill of Rights, and sometimes the Declaration of Independence, which is not part of the US constitution at all.

One clever article on American constitutional law begins with a debate between a US law professor and an overseas counterpart. They talk through the last few amendments to the US constitution: the end of prohibition, the imposition of a two-term limit on Presidents, the extension of the voting age to 18-year-olds, and so on.

The point of this fictitious debate is that the development of constitutional law has very little to do with the formal US constitution. Over the past 50 years, the US Supreme Court has invoked the US constitution in ruling on the legitimacy of abortion, the death penalty, affirmative action, political campaign donations, and various other matters. They are not expressly covered by the constitution’s text. Rather, general constitutional provisions describing such matters of freedom of speech and cruel and unusual punishment are applied to specific situations. Constitutional questions are not resolved in an ether.

Put aside for a moment whether it is best to have unelected judges, rather than an elected legislature, determine the law on such issues. To properly understand the US constitution, we need to read not a single document, but a large number of Supreme Court opinions, consider various conventions of judicial and legislative practice, and understand presidential administration behaviours. In short, we need to understand an extensive unwritten constitution.

An interested member of the public wanting to properly understand the US constitution, its arrangements, its law, and how it works in practice, in an easily accessible format, would most usefully turn to a textbook. We can do the same with the New Zealand constitution.

If Palmer and Butler’s main goal is accessibility, and public understanding of the constitution, they could as usefully advocate for more teaching of civics in schools (something Palmer has suggested elsewhere, in law review articles), they could disseminate media on constitutional issues (something Palmer has done elsewhere, via National Radio), or they could publish a new book.

What they don’t need to do is promote a New Zealand Constitution in the sense of a single written document of four, 40, or 400 pages. It won’t make our constitutional law more accessible. It might even expand the unwritten constitution, through cases interpreting this new document.

Some of us quite like a system that means issues like abortion, the death penalty, affirmative action, political campaign donations, and yes, even gun rights, can be decided by an elected Parliament, not unelected judges.

The irony is that in suggesting something that is unwanted and unwarranted, Palmer and Butler are drawing public attention to the benefits of our current constitutional arrangements.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11739393
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November 1, 2016 11:52am
Ross12

If there is any truth in this why bother having a vote.
I know voting machines only account for about 35% of the vote but still, why bother.

http://www.infowars.com/how-americas-elections-are-hacked/

Don’t bother looking at the top video. Look at the one titled “Smoking gun …. ”
(NB. Bev Harris is a Democrat)
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November 1, 2016 11:59am
thedavincimode

Wow! I was certainly wrong the other day. cunners is quitting next election (and not to do stand up).
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November 1, 2016 12:14pm
- GoVege
  
  Not surprised.
  Labour will never win while they backstab their best men.
  
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  November 1, 2016 12:22pm
  - Manolo
    
    Whatddayamean?
    The comrades can always bring back Ginga Hughes, a true exemplar of the male species.
    
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    November 1, 2016 12:41pm
- Kimbo
  
  Hmm. So Jacinda finds a home? (We have lots of fish and chip shops out this way)
  
  Or is she waiting to see if David Shearer in Mt Albert realises he is wasting his considerable talents in the backwater of opposition politics with a group of talentless yet continually-plotting losers?
  
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  November 1, 2016 12:22pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    I really don’t think that New Lynn is porcelain chops’ demographic. Bye bye fishman.
    
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    November 1, 2016 12:52pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Cats that look like David Cunliffe…..
  
  (Insert missing cat poster here)
  
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  November 1, 2016 12:38pm
- Inandout
  
  And Cunny is going to ‘pursue a new management consulting career’.
  
  ‘He will join the leadership team of Auckland-based management consultancy Stakeholder Strategies Ltd. The company is owned by Rick Boven, who worked with Cunliffe at Boston Consulting in the 1990s.
  
  Let’s hope the company stays afloat after the man/woman joins.
  
  http://stakeholderstrategies.co.nz/our-team/
  
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  November 1, 2016 1:01pm
Dave_1924

Gareth speaks…. discuss

http://morganfoundation.org.nz/to-palestine-with-love/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Gareth%20Morgan&utm_content=To%20Palestine%20with%20Love
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November 1, 2016 12:53pm
Manolo

Merkel’s disastrous legacy:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/727263/Angela-Merkel-migrant-crisis-worsens-as-Germany-descends-into-lawlessness

During the first six months of 2016, migrants committed 142,500 crimes, according to the Federal Criminal Police Office.

And the country has been hit by a spate of horrendous violent crime including rapes, sexual and physical assaults, stabbings, home invasions, robberies, burglaries and drug trafficking.
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November 1, 2016 1:14pm
- dave_c_
  
  If you sell your soul, this is the outcome – I don’t think she really cares about the outcome !
  
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  November 1, 2016 2:21pm
dave_c_

Distracted by Election 2016, No-one Resisted the Deep State’s Patriot Act 2
This is very worrying – huge extension to enslaving the masses.
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/10/31/distracted-by-election-2016-no-one-resisted-the-deep-states-patriot-act-2/
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November 1, 2016 1:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  dave c , also by the same author ,
  
  Hidden in plain sight The Global Depopulation agenda ,
  
  http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/10/23/hidden-in-plain-sight-the-global-depopulation-agenda/
  
  Good Alex Jones Stuff . !
  
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  November 1, 2016 3:23pm
Fletch

LOL, too funny. Typing “Pathological Lying” into Google brings up a picture of Hillary Clinton – or did, until Google hurried fixed it. (See screenshot).

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/30/hillary-clinton-photo-illustrates-pathological-lyi/

I guess that’s the problem with having an algorithm that learns by itself based on searches. it can become a bit too truthful for some.
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November 1, 2016 2:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, will this be tried on Trump ?
  
  I don’t think so !
  
  Why does Trump lie so much ?
  
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/09/27/why-does-donald-trump-lie-so-much/#77bcadd46d24
  
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  November 1, 2016 3:16pm
- doggone7
  
  Who came up when you tried the NZ version? Are his initials “JK”?
  
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  November 1, 2016 10:44pm
Manolo

Where is the accountability? The Obamacare lies:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-affordable-care-acts-arizona-meltdown-1477925051

When Affordable Care Act insurance marketplaces launched in fall 2013, Arizona seemed like a success. Eight insurers competed to sign up consumers, offering a wide variety of plans and some of the lowest premiums in the country.

Today, with ACA enrollment starting Nov. 1, Arizonans will find in most counties only one insurer selling exchange plans for 2017. Premiums for some plans will be more than double (116%) this year, some of the biggest increases in the nation. Only last-minute maneuvering prevented one Arizona county from becoming the first in the nation to have no exchange insurers at all.
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November 1, 2016 2:38pm
stephieboy

Manolo, Trump’s fix it for this is what ?
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November 1, 2016 3:19pm
Manolo

Even the Guardian chastises the crook:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/31/the-podesta-emails-show-who-runs-america-and-how-they-do-it

The emails currently roiling the US presidential campaign are part of some unknown digital collection amassed by the troublesome Anthony Weiner, but if your purpose is to understand the clique of people who dominate Washington today, the emails that really matter are the ones being slowly released by WikiLeaks from the hacked account of Hillary Clinton’s campaign chair John Podesta.

They are last week’s scandal in a year running over with scandals, but in truth their significance goes far beyond mere scandal: they are a window into the soul of the Democratic party and into the dreams and thoughts of the class to whom the party answers.
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November 1, 2016 3:22pm
stephieboy

Manolo, MSM leftie Guardian ?

Can’t be !
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November 1, 2016 3:24pm
All_on_Red

I see the Stephie seagull has arrived and is now flying around the blog dropping shit everywhere and being a snarky little a***hole.
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November 1, 2016 3:26pm
- tom hunter
  
  Please stop saying that Stephieboi is a snarky little asshole. He’s too stupid to be snarky – and it’s an insult to the real snark merchants!
  
  Right now he’s just in full “Squirrel” mode, hammering out comments to try and divert the conversation back to Trump, Trump, Trump,….
  
  If you’ve never seen him before, here he is, fresh from the Hillary campaign:
  
  My master made me this collar.
  She is a good and smart master and she made me this collar so that I may talk… Squirrel!
  
  It’s not working.
  
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  November 1, 2016 3:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    tom hunter , what is the personal payoff for personal abuse ?.
    
    Does this feature in other areas of your life ?
    
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    November 1, 2016 3:38pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sigh, KBs Dumbest Commentator.
      
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      November 1, 2016 3:43pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”and it’s an insult to the real snark merchants!”…..
    
    It won’t be going down very well with under size arseholes either. 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2016 4:43pm
stephieboy

From the diversity dividend front ,

AUT doctoral student and former Kurdish refugee on a mission to help her homeland

“A woman whose family had to flee war-torn Kurdistan before she was born is making it her mission to help her people in her homeland.

Ashleigh Ali, 27, was born in Pakistan, where her parents first escaped to, and moved to New Zealand as refugees in 1997.

“My heart will always be with Kurdistan and that’s where my blood ties are,” she said.
“I see myself in the future living in Kurdistan, if not for good, then at least for a few years … teaching or starting up a business.”

Ali, who works at AUT University and is pursuing her doctorate, is registering a charity called “Helping the torn land – from NZ to Kurdistan”.

The group, started jointly with another Kurdish refugee, Kajal Alawi, is aimed at helping victims of war rebuild their lives…”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11736302
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November 1, 2016 3:36pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Did the picture in this story catch your eye Stephieboy?.
  You can make out the outline of her breasts which look small and firm like that girl at St Lukes you had your eye on.
  
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  November 1, 2016 3:48pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  So how is she helping New Zealand exactly?
  
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  November 1, 2016 4:46pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Oh FFS how many more times do we have to go over this.
    Refugees are a blessing to NZ and we need to be more appreciative as not all countries are lucky enough to have them so any further questioning of this narrative is just futile and disruptive to social cohesion.?
    
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    November 1, 2016 4:53pm
    - nasska
      
      One day we might even get one who works & doesn’t require welfare benefits!
      
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      November 1, 2016 4:58pm
Shunda barunda

Tom said:
“True, but of course it’s all grist to Putin’s mill of weakening the Western powers as much as possible – sowing further discord, weakening alliances, rubbishing democracy (the oldest Soviet ploy in the book), and so forth.”

Even if true, why do you hold the Russians to a higher standard than exists in the geopolitical machine in the west?

“The fact that so much of this critque could be applied to him and his cronies – the elite who run Russia – is an added touch of irony that I’m sure he chuckles about. Throw some red meat about gay pride parades to the likes of Andrei and they’ll swallow everything else as well.”

Or perhaps it is foolish to consider people like Putin as entirely evil and reprobate. As far as swallowing bullshit goes, you seem to have some crap on your own lips regarding the reality of this situation.

“He’s played a weak hand extremly well over the last few years.”

Or maybe the prevalent narrative was just wrong and Russia (up until relatively recently) genuinely wanted to become a friendly part of the global community and the west told them to get f@cked.
The Russians have a saying “Пшёл!” which basically means “go to hell” and once they decide you have no interest in genuine friendship or are determined to be an enemy, then they will take you at your word and act accordingly.
This is the reality of what has happened, the west did not want to be friends with the Russians and now they have accepted that decision.
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November 1, 2016 4:24pm
- Gabby
  
  Not the west – just the yankers and their dingleberries, Ponyboy and his ilk.
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:52pm
Left Right and Centre

Melbourne Cup on peasant vision (I just like dressed up chicks)
Another event ruined by weird Emirates borg statues with the stuuuuupid modesty veil compromise – weirdos. No Emirates blokes – always trolley dolly perfect figure perma smile barbies in 20s. Like TV reporters. Interchangeable.

Ok – they sing the national anthem. Good voice on woman – she sang advance ‘posh’ for an Aussie – I was going to type ‘assie’ – maybe that’s better. She sang advance with an ‘r’ not an ‘a’, yeah ? Assies say advance to rhyme with ban – except they shove the ‘a’ up into all of that empty space beyond their nasal passages – as a lot of kiwis do.

Interesting about horse racing – never see the time it took them or speed, average pace.
Let’s make it more fun. Jockeys can whip any horse except their own – and they can whip each other.
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November 1, 2016 4:50pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Ok – the time is in the top left corner – I’m WRONG !!!!
  The horses and ewoks are bobbing up and down at the finish . . . and *I’m* bobbing up and down with them excitedly. What are you . . . a freakin MORON ?????
  
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  November 1, 2016 5:06pm
  - nasska
    
    Look on the bright side LR&C. At least the horses look better than the fat, loud mouthed drunken women falling off their high heels.
    
    I’ve seen better eye candy at the freezing works. 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2016 5:14pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    TV is weird – they’re interviewing the winner. There’s a coke can worth of distance between their two noses. Gizz a wittle kiss – go on – while you’re in the neighbourhood.
    I’d hoof it too – knowing they don’t turn winners into pet food.
    
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    November 1, 2016 5:17pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Mother always told me you’ve got to know when to quit and to my credit I’ve consistently ignored that that sage advice since birth . . .
      If I was Emirates paying big bucks – I would also demand the half pie veil set-up on all the jockeys and horses.
      I don’t know nazzstar – I saw nice lady in red dress leading out a horse – a few other hotties. lovely big lazyboy rack on her. They don’t let fatties near microphones or close-up shots.
      
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      November 1, 2016 5:43pm
      - nasska
        
        They may have cleaned up the place since last year LR&C…..have a look at the 2015 effort.
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3301529/Thousands-revellers-spirit-Australia-s-biggest-racing-day-year-Melbourne-Cup.html
        
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        November 1, 2016 5:54pm
Reid

The best friend of John Podesta, Clinton’s Campaign char, at the DOJ will be in charge of the email probe.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-31/doj-tells-congress-it-will-work-expeditiously-review-abedin-emails-there-just-one-pr

One assumes the Clinton Foundation’s “donation” to Kadzik’s wife, who used to work in the Clinton Administration, is in the mail.
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November 1, 2016 5:30pm
Reid

Career prosecutors at the Justice Department rebuffed a request from the FBI’s New York field office to pursue an investigation of the Clinton family’s charity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-agents-pressed-justice-unsuccessfully-for-probe-of-clinton-foundation/2016/10/30/98c823ec-9ee9-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonfoundation-1048pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
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November 1, 2016 5:38pm
- Manolo
  
  True to form: Obama’s administration is the most transparent in history, isn’t it?
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:28pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes the Obama connection is the most interesting piece in this puzzle and his spore is all over it.
    
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    November 1, 2016 8:20pm
Reid

Another leaked email has emerged showing Democratic National Committee boss and former CNN contributor Donna Brazile sharing a debate question in advance with the Hillary Clinton campaign — despite Brazile’s persistent claims to the contrary.

CNN announced in a statement soon after the email became public Monday that Brazile had tendered her resignation and the network accepted it on Oct. 14, days after the controversy over Brazile tipping off the Clinton campaign initially broke.

According to documents released Monday by WikiLeaks, Brazile sent Clinton Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri an email titled, “One of the questions directed to HRC tomorrow is from a woman with a rash,” the night before the March 6 CNN primary debate in Flint, Mich.

“Her family has lead poison and she will ask what, if anything, will Hillary do as president to help the ppl of Flint,” Brazile wrote.

The following night, Lee-Anne Walters, a mom whose twin boys stopped growing and whose daughter lost her hair during the Flint water contamination crisis, posed a question to both Clinton, the eventual Democratic presidential nominee, and her primary opponent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

“After my family, the city of Flint and the children in D.C. were poisoned by lead, will you make a personal promise to me right now that, as president, in your first 100 days in office, you will make it a requirement that all public water systems must remove all lead service lines throughout the entire United States, and notification made to the — the citizens that have said service lines?” Walters asked.

Clinton responded with a lengthy answer that moderator Anderson Cooper had to twice interrupt in an attempt to keep to the agreed-upon time limit. Clinton’s remarks drew applause from the crowd, though she wound up ultimately losing the state’s primary to Sanders two days later. ..

The worst part of course is the fact she lied and lied and lied about it…

Brazile, in an interview with Fox News Channel’s Megyn Kelly on Oct. 19, again denied aiding Clinton during the primaries.

“Well, Kelly, since I play straight up and I play straight up with you, I did not receive any questions from CNN,” she said.

When Kelly pressed, Brazile said she was being persecuted and questioned the credibility of the hacked files.

“As a Christian woman, I understand persecution, but I will not sit here and be persecuted,” Brazile said. “Your information is totally false.”

Doesn’t sound very Christian to me.
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November 1, 2016 5:43pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  To be fair she had a fair few descriptors she could have claimed persecution under.
  
  Christian wouldn’t be the first that I would have used should I be her, Black being the cause celebre in the USA these days.
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:37pm
Reid

James Carville goes mental and accuses the FBI, the GoP and the KGB of being in cahoots.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/carville-melts-asserts-fbi-gop-kgb-cahoots/
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November 1, 2016 5:57pm
All_on_Red

No links between Trump and Russia
‘WASHINGTON — For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.
Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.’
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=1
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November 1, 2016 6:03pm
Keeping Stock

Tom Hunter – Bears 20, Vikings 10. We had a great night at Soldier Field, and the better side won.
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November 1, 2016 6:05pm
- tom hunter
  
  Woah! A 1-6 team beats a 5-1. Miracles happen eh? A good omen for the Cubs perhaps?
  
  Anyway, glad you had a fun night. It’ll be interesting to compare the noise and atmosphere of the Bear’s fans vs the rugby fans in the same stadium. The soccer crowds in ’94 at Soldier Field were certainly every bit as loud and passionate as any Bear’s game I attended.
  
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  November 1, 2016 6:09pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    It certainly was raucous Tom. We were near the back of the end zone at the northern end, and all three touchdowns in the match were right in front of us. It was a great experience.
    
    We’re off to watch the Maori AB’s train today, then it will be a case of finding a bar to eat, drink and watch Game Six.
    
    PS – it’s headed for 23*C in Chi-town today; stunning fall weather
    
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    November 2, 2016 3:57am
Reid

The FBI’s Clinton Investigation Is Wider Than Assumed

The Washington Post editors today added to their hypocrisy with three additional anti-Comey op-eds:

I interpret that as naked fear that their candidate Hillary Clinton may now loose. That fear is justified.

The Wall Street Journal today added to its so far excellent reporting on the Clinton issues by revealing the much bigger story behind it: FBI in Internal Feud Over Hillary Clinton Probe – Laptop may contain thousands of messages sent to or from Mrs. Clinton’s private server.

According to the reporting, based on FBI sources, FBI agents in New York and elsewhere have been looking into the Clinton Foundation for several months. They suspect that this “charity” was selling political favors by then Secretary of State Clinton in exchange for donations that personally benefited the Clinton family.

The Justice Department blocked further aggressive investigations into the issue, allegedly because of the ongoing election. A high FBI official, Andrew McCabe, also showed disinterest in a further pursuit of the issue. McCabe’s wife had just tried to get elected as state senator and had receive a campaign donation of nearly $500,000 from Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Clinton friend and at times board member of the Clinton Foundation. The FBI agents pursuing the investigation into the Clinton Foundation were not amused.

The separate investigation into former Congressman Weiner for sexual contacts with minors was looking for pedophile stuff on Weiner’s electronic devices. It didn’t find any as far as we can tell, but found some 650,000 emails archived on a laptop.

Several thousand of these emails were sent or received by Weiner’s spouse, the intimate Clinton aide Huma Abedin. They came through Clinton’s private email server. At least some of these thousands of emails are likely copies of those that were deleted from Clinton’s server when the (separate) investigation into it started. They may be evidence that Clinton sent and received classified documents through her unsecured system. Some of these emails may also contain serious dirt related to the Clinton Foundation. (It is highly likely that at least some FBI agents know “unofficially” what these emails contain. Legally they could not look at them without a warrant which they only got today.)

Thus we have three ongoing FBI investigations:

into Clinton’s private email-server used illegally for official State Department business;
into the Clinton Foundation and its role in peddling political influence in exchange for donations;
into the personal conduct of Anthony Weiner.
Additional investigations that may come up are on:

the mixing of donations to the Clinton Foundation and personal compensation for Bill Clinton for holding highly paid speeches;
for profit activities by the group of people running Bill Clinton’s businesses as well as the Clinton Foundation financing;
inappropriate hindering of the FBI investigations by the Justice Department and/or by McCabe.
With such a list of potentially very serious scandals pending it is highly understandable that FBI director Comey went public and did not follow the advice from the Justice Department to pursue these issues only on a reduced level. It would have been political suicide to try to keep this silent. Way too many FBI agents eager to pursue these case were in the known and would have talked, as they do now, to the media.

If Clinton gets elected she will be hampered by these scandals for the next two years. The Republicans in Congress will jump on these issues as soon as possible. There will be endless hearings with large media coverage. The only question is when the first attempts at an impeachment process will be made – before or after she moves back into the White House. She and her family may be better off with her losing the campaign.

http://www.moonofalabama.org
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November 1, 2016 6:13pm
- Reid
  
  This is of course exactly what FBI guy said the Clinton Foundation was doing, in those links I gave you back in July when Comey explained how guilty she was then said she was free to go.
  
  Once again, he was right. So far, his record is 100%.
  
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  November 1, 2016 6:26pm
- mikenmild
  
  In other news, the FBI is reported to be investigating Trump’s links with Russia:
  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
  
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  November 1, 2016 6:37pm
  - Reid
    
    Perhaps James Carville’s had a word.
    
    Isn’t it fun to see the execrable filth of Washington exposed, proving what I and a few others have been explaining to you for decades now. Evidently mm, we were right and you were quite, quite wrong, weren’t you.
    
    Isn’t this interesting, if unsurprising, to some of us.
    
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    November 1, 2016 6:42pm
    - mikenmild
      
      So far as I can tell, Reid, your record of being right is about as good as wannabe-Nazi EAD’s track record on predicting the still-looming economic collapse.
      
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      November 1, 2016 6:53pm
      - Reid
        
        Luckily mm it’s all here, on record, going back decades. Shame your record’s not quite so good, isn’t it.
        
        You can show people the truth but you can’t make them see it.
        
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        November 1, 2016 6:59pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0
    
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    November 1, 2016 8:11pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I am assuming the *deleted* 33k emails are sitting in the perverts computer, waiting to be disbursed as we speak.
  
  The media knows but can’t report on it yet
  
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  November 1, 2016 9:41pm
Left Right and Centre

In other non-horse related happenings . . .
Takaka Man stabs dog 43 times to death.
Dog attacked his wife delivering pamphlets.
Took a chunk of her leg. She’s in hospital feeling like humpty dumpty post great fall.
He got only 100 hours community work sentence.
What a disgusting light sentence, what’s wrong with the world ?
He should have been discharged without conviction.
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November 1, 2016 6:20pm
- Gabby
  
  Hopefully he’ll be put to work collecting strays.
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:24pm
RF

My precious Dan Carter has just drawn more unwanted attention by threatening to take legal action again French media that outed him about the drug taking.

For Christ sake people had forgotten about it until the stupid prick brings it up again. Is he that desperate for publicity. He has gone from 10 to 0 in my estimation.

Dear god…..
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November 1, 2016 7:01pm
Fletch

I notice that TV One is showing Michael Moore’s anti-Trump propaganda film tonight. When will they be showing Clinton Cash?
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November 1, 2016 7:15pm
- nasska
  
  About the same time you see a squadron of pigs doing aerobatics over the Waitemata Harbour.
  
  It wouldn’t fit their narrative.
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:21pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m going to watch ‘Capturing the Friedmans’ on Maori TV instead.
  Highly recommended.
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:26pm
  - sam green
    
    It’s great. But a very weird family.
    
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    November 1, 2016 7:53pm
Reid

The American journalist, Edward Bernays, is often described as the man who invented modern propaganda.

The nephew of Sigmund Freud, the pioneer of psycho-analysis, it was Bernays who coined the term “public relations” as a euphemism for spin and its deceptions.

In 1929, he persuaded feminists to promote cigarettes for women by smoking in the New York Easter Parade – behavior then considered outlandish. One feminist, Ruth Booth, declared, “Women! Light another torch of freedom! Fight another sex taboo!”

Bernays’ influence extended far beyond advertising. His greatest success was his role in convincing the American public to join the slaughter of the First World War. The secret, he said, was “engineering the consent” of people in order to “control and regiment [them] according to our will without their knowing about it.”

He described this as “the true ruling power in our society” and called it an “invisible government.”

Today, the invisible government has never been more powerful and less understood. In my career as a journalist and film-maker, I have never known propaganda to insinuate our lives and as it does now and to go unchallenged…

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/364567-terrorism-west-russia-wars-propaganda/
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November 1, 2016 7:17pm
- mikenmild
  
  Sure, it was all a trick to get the US into the war. Unrestricted submarine warfare and the Zimmerman Telegram had nothing to do with it.
  But Bernays was Jewish, so it was probably all down to him,.
  
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  November 1, 2016 7:30pm
  - Reid
    
    He was only one of many mm, a mere piece in a minor part of the puzzle. You don’t understand much, do you.
    
    Perhaps because you work in it you can’t imagine how it could possibly be like it is.
    
    Consider acquitting Killary in July was accomplished by only two people: Comey and Lynch. Evidently there were others involved names of some of which are included in my previous posts here tonight. Another thing you possibly missed.
    
    But anyway, point is, key people in key positions who 99.99% of the time do the standard job with the standard aplomb but when the occasion calls such as when Lynch told Comey what the play would be, that early July day, well, the rest is history being made, isn’t it.
    
    Hope that helps but actually, I don’t really.
    
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    November 1, 2016 7:47pm
    - mikenmild
      
      ‘acquitting’ would require a trial.
      So far, there appears to be about as much evidence of Clinton doing anything for which she could be convicted as there is of Trump being in the pocket of the Russkies.
      
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      November 1, 2016 7:53pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes I use that word to avoid repeating every single time I mention the fact Comey spent quite some time pointing out all the reasons why she was guilty, then he said she was free to go.
        
        “acquit” seems much kinder to readers than explicating all of that, every single time I mention it.
        
        Sadly however, I didn’t calculate quite how profoundly often I’d HAVE to keep repeating the tedious version before some of the slower readers finally but finally caught up with the rest of us. I mean I know you’re trying very hard indeed mm but honestly…
        
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        November 1, 2016 8:04pm
Reid

A former FBI official described the Clintons as a ‘crime family’ days after the bureau reopened its investigation into Hillary’s personal email server.

James Kallstrom, the former assistant director of the FBI, spoke out against the Clinton family on Sunday in a radio interview with host and Greek-American billionaire businessman John Catsimatidis on ‘The Cats Roundtable’.

‘The Clintons, that’s a crime family. It’s like organized crime, basically. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool,’ Kallstrom said.

‘It’s just outrageous how Hillary Clinton sold her office for money.

And she’s a pathological liar, and she’s always been a liar. And God forbid if we put someone like that in the White House.’

Kallstrom, who is best known for leading the investigation into the explosion of TWA flight 800 in the late 1990s, also went after the FBI in the interview and said the initial investigation into the email server was ‘never a real investigation.’

‘They never had grand jury empaneled. And the reason … was that Loretta Lynch would not go along with that,’ Kallstrom said.

‘So this investigation was without the ability to serve subpoenas, serve search warrants, and obtain the evidence that they ended up begging for. It was just ludicrous what went on.’

He added that the FBI ‘left so much stuff on the table’.

Kallstrom did defend the agents who were tasked with investigating Clinton.

‘This is not the FBI agents who’s to blame for this fiasco going on. This is the leadership. This is Jim Comey … The agents are furious with what’s going on. I know that for a fact,’ he said…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3887380/Ex-FBI-assistant-director-calls-Clintons-crime-family-claims-foundation-cesspool.html
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November 1, 2016 7:24pm
EAD

A personal recommendation here, but I recommend watching Dennis Wise’s YouTube series “NWO: Communism by the Backdoor”. The NWO series is pretty big, over 20 episodes of about 15 minutes each. It goes into the history of the UN, Hollywood, the news and the (((shadowy powers))) behind everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSYOyNvCFPQ&list=PLoLytQk_WG5IjRnx6ikufsX9unhiNaVMc

Wise is the on who produced the epic The Greatest Story Never Told

When you listen to Dennis you can tell there lies a man who has lived with the ‘Truth” all his life.
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November 1, 2016 8:12pm
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide a precis. Is it the Jews?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:34pm
- Nostradamus
  
  EAD:
  
  the (((shadowy powers))) behind everything
  
  Does Dennis explain why some lucky people win Lotto and the rest of us feel cheated?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:44pm
  - Reid
    
    You should read Solzhenitsen’s 100 Years Together nosty, you’d like it. It’s free. Most of it.
    
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    November 1, 2016 8:59pm
- Reid
  
  It’s a hard fact EAD but you’re right, this is what it is, the signs are everywhere but people focus on the illusion just like the Germans did.
  
  It’s just a passing phase, this ‘war on terror’ this globalisation, just a passing phase.
  
  And actually, it is.
  
  This is a fantastic time to be alive, because it’s a change of epoch. It’s a transition from the US to China as the leader and we’re witnessing the beginning of that starting with the 1990’s.
  
  And that has a whole lot of ramificaitons for humanity because it won’t be an English-speaking world, necessarily, it will also have different rulers and ruling techniques.
  
  People don’t seem to realise that Russia threw off the last vestige of her communist invasion in the 1990’s. It suffered a lot under communism and they don’t want a bar of it now. But people don’t get that.
  
  People don’t seem to get the obvious fact the baddie ‘war on terror’ wasn’t producing quite enough baddies to make the huge military-industrial complex fat and happy. So they fire up a real country, that needs real spending, like 1.3 trillion on nukes for instance. Now THAT’S defence.
  
  So the media simply paint Russia as if it was 1956 not 2016 and all the sheep bray and bray and approve it.
  
  Haven’t they.
  
  That’s a short e.g. of propaganda working on you today.
  
  Like Bernays said:
  
  The secret is “engineering the consent” of people in order to “control and regiment [them] according to our will without their knowing about it.”
  
  And that’s how communism works, and Russia doesn’t have it anymore, but the US has all the hallmarks: e.g. controlled media, corrupt and elite ruling establishment, massive security apparatus…
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:52pm
- itstricky
  
  Dennis Wise’s YouTube series “NWO: Communism by the Backdoor”
  
  It’s the (((gays))) again, isn’t it?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:58pm
  - nasska
    
    Woe & alas.
    
    Sodomy is upon us! 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2016 9:03pm
nasska

…..”the (((shadowy powers))) behind everything”….

Like the Taniwha in the path of the new motorway you reckon Nostra?

If the gods don’t strike us down the boogeymen will. 🙂
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November 1, 2016 8:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Lessons on the mystical Taniwha:
  
  In Māori mythology, taniwha (Māori pronunciation: [ˈtanifa]) are beings that live in deep pools in rivers, dark caves, or in the sea, especially in places with dangerous currents or deceptive breakers (giant waves). They may be considered highly respected kaitiaki (protective guardians) of people and places, or in some traditions as dangerous, predatory beings, which for example would kidnap women to have as wives.
  
  Not sure why Taniwha would stray from a watery place to a proposed motorway site, but if they do, apparently a sacrificial woman will do the trick! Do you know of anyone who might be suitable if we need to expunge a Taniwha from Transmission Gully?
  
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  November 1, 2016 8:54pm
  - nasska
    
    I’m working on a short list now Nostra.
    
    Should have them ranked from 1 to 10,000 by tomorrow night. 🙂
    
    Edit:
    
    You don’t know where Helen’s dossing down currently do you?
    
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    November 1, 2016 8:57pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Is it too late to offer the wife??
      
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      November 1, 2016 9:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If their lair is in a swamp, you could get problems.
    
    If swamps get drained, then taniwha start roaming the roads and cause car crashes.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3003507
    
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    November 1, 2016 11:04pm
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Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. (1941)

Winston Churchill

I read this speech daily when things get tough
It always works

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/speeches/1941-1945-war-leader/103-never-give-in

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