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Manolo

European suicide:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3950646/Asylum-claims-European-Union-pass-one-million-mark-final-tally-year-set-2015-s-record-figure.html

The number of asylum claims lodged in the EU this year has passed a million, official figures indicate.

Provisional data updated on Friday shows that at least 1,003,635 asylum applications were registered in the 28 member states as of October this year.
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November 19, 2016 8:01am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  If Progressives choose to suicide by importing Mohammadans who then rape them to death, I don’t care, good riddance – only problem is they are destroying Western Civilisation in the process.
  
  “Refugee camp translator reveals how German migrants ‘despise’ Christians and want to ‘Islamise’ the country…
  
  During her time at a number of centres across the country, she said she discovered Muslim refugees preaching “pure hatred” of Christians.
  
  Muslim children were told by their parents not to play with Christian kids.
  
  And she herself was told it was a sin for her to help feed and defend Christians.
  
  She claimed many of the migrants showed their “true colours” only when they were away from people of other religions.
  
  “Some women told me ‘We will multiply our numbers. We must have more children than the Christians because it’s the only way we can destroy them here’.”
  
  She said other translators were a part of the problem, claiming they prevented Christian refugees claiming permanent asylum by failing to tell them they were entitled to have their questionnaire’s translated.”
  
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2206253/refugee-camp-translator-german-migrants-despise-christians-islamise-country/
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:13am
- EAD
  
  Why are Europeans committing “suicide” Manolo?
  
  Importing all these 3rd worlders seems like the daftest thing in the world to do? No other nations in the world behave like this so why are only European countries doing this?
  
  Despite all the propaganda from the MSM and the Politicians, people still don’t want want is going on and they are having their nations transformed without their consent despite living in a so called “democracy”.
  
  Therefore, CUI BONO?
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:20am
  - Manolo
    
    The clash of cultures: civilised West vs violent Islam will be the result.
    
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    November 19, 2016 8:23am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Its already well under way.
      
      To be fair, its the likes of neocons Killary, Obama, Bush meddling in the ME and north Africa thats sending a tsunami of muslims in our direction.
      
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      November 19, 2016 8:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        What” tsunami” in our direction ?
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:28am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy, tsunami means a huge tide of flotsam, of deadbeats, no good effluent, from other countries, is heading our way. Nobody has worked out how to stop a tsunami, once it starts, so it’s best to stop one before it starts.
        
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        November 19, 2016 11:34am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Jews push “Diversity” and “Multiculturalism” on white civilization, but for themselves…not so much:
    
    “Israeli government to refugees: Go back to Africa or go to prison
    
    Israeli authorities are sending letters to the first of 45,000 Eritrean and Sudanese refugees, informing them they have 30 days to accept Israel’s offer of $3,500 in cash and a one-way ticket home or to an unnamed third country in Africa, or face incarceration at Saharonim prison.
    
    Israeli leaders have proclaimed that their tough approach — building a fence along the country’s border, denying work permits for illegal migrants, forcing them into a detention center in the desert — may ultimately save lives by dissuading migrants from attempting a perilous journey.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/toughening-its-stance-toward-migrants-israel-pushes-africans-to-leave/2015/05/14/e1637bce-f350-11e4-bca5-21b51bbdf93e_story.html
    
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    November 19, 2016 8:24am
    - starboard
      
      Fantastic. The Israelis don’t fuck around. Stick it right up ’em boys..send them back to the filthy shit holes they crawled from.
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:31am
    - GoVege
      
      Those Israelis know what they’re doing.
      Great idea!
      Imagine what you could do with $3,500 in Africa?
      Win, win all round…
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:53am
    - holysheet
      
      No, no, no, you cannot do this, its against all their human rights.
      Fuck their human rights, let them go to a moslem country of their choice. There they will be free to go about their daily abuse of their woman and the infidel.
      
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      November 19, 2016 11:41am
- sparkhole
  
  Lets say it’s 1.2 million for the year. As a percentage of the total population how does that compare to NZ if you include everyone that ends up on the benefit (or the full pension after working only five years)?
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  No no no Manolo , it’s not suicide , it brings a huge diversity dividend to the host. Just look at Sweden and all the positives they now enjoy from such “diversity”.
  
  “Malmö is moving police officers from Sweden’s southern border controls to the streets – in an effort to crack down on a recent wave of fatal incidents in Sweden’s third largest city.”
  
  http://www.thelocal.se/20161118/malm-police-launch-special-op-to-stop-killings
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:30am
  - Manolo
    
    And the beautiful daily calls to prayer from the local mosque. That is true diversity, isn’t it?
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:20am
    - Scott
      
      Quite right chaps – our new country is going to be great! Just look at the wonderful diversity dividend they’re having in Australia –
      
      “AUSTRALIA – IRANIAN CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY MURDERED BY MUSLIM HUSBAND
      An Iranian hairdresser, Nasrin Abek (35), was found dead from multiple stab wounds in her home in Sydney, Australia, on 29 September. Her husband, Amir Darbanou, has been charged with her murder; he was allegedly enraged by Nasrin’s decision to leave Islam to become a Christian. Islamic law (sharia) specifies a death sentence for the “crime” of apostasy from Islam, which is viewed as treason against the Muslim community. All the various schools of sharia insist on this for adult male apostates, and some do also for adult female apostates. As an Iranian, however, Amir Darbanou is probably a Shia Muslim, and Shia law states that apostate women should be beaten every day until they return to Islam. “
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        Is. Domestic violence religious based or not an exclusive to Australia ‘s Muslim population ?
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:32am
      - kowtow
        
        And Melbourne.
        
        “THE man who allegedly set himself on fire in a suburban Melbourne bank is believed to be a refugee from Myanmar, also known as Burma, living in Australia on a bridging visa.”
        
        http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/muslim-refugee-injures-bank-customers-in-explosion/news-story/48ff23b167df9a161540d7ecf20146d8
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:50am
      - starboard
        
        He must of been cold
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:10am
      - burt
        
        stephieboy
        
        Domestic violence reporting levels would seem correlated with religious beliefs. I’m not saying religion in causal.
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:12am
      - GoVege
        
        Only ” beaten every day”?
        But that’s merely the norm for most Muslim males.
        Wives as disobedient as to go apostate surely need beating every hour.
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:18am
      - GoVege
        
        Stephieboy: it’s all a matter of degree.
        Of course a lot of white Ozzie men assault their wives.
        The difference is they tend to do it less often, usually don’t use weapons, and don’t do it in front of other people.
        (That’s because they know it’s wrong.)
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “fatal incidents” best double speak euphemism I have heard this month.
    
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    November 19, 2016 3:58pm
duggledog

Been ruminating over the last week about Trump and now the most recent earthquake.

I really do wonder if we are finally about to find out quite a few things about ourselves as a nation state and more importantly as a durable economy.

For all that Key and co. have done (or should I say, net taxpayers have done), and for all Groser’s reasonable reassurances that NZ is robust, secure, with many trading partners – having done the hard yards and revolutionized our economy since the 1980s…

I think our huge-spending, over-reaching, personal-responsibility-avoiding, regional security-ignoring, deadbeat-supporting, money-wasting society is and never was sustainable.

Governments elected by kiwis were never going to change the status quo – but ongoing earthquakes and people like Donald Trump could.
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November 19, 2016 8:06am
- fernglas
  
  I think Donald Trump caused the earthquakes; is he not a sinner who has had sexual activity with all manner of people? It is only our brave New Zealand soil that has had the courage to convulse and spew forth his iniquity. So, yea though we head with righteous haste to our doom, we do so comforted in the knowledge that we, or our fine land on our behalf, has registered a more effective protest to his election than all those candy-assed liberal urban coast dwellers throughout the great United States. Amen.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:17am
  - Gabby
    
    Does Trumpie piss in the shower? I think not. Obviously the blame can be laid far closer to home.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:12am
    - holysheet
      
      Gobby you must be a wee snowflake off her meds. All men have pissed in the shower at some stage. If you find one who has not then he is lying.
      
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      November 19, 2016 11:46am
      - Gabby
        
        I fucking knew it. All men are to blame. Dirty fuckers.
        
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        November 19, 2016 7:04pm
      - holysheet
        
        Whats dirty about it, you still piss in your nappies and mummy disposes of that into the sewerage system. Where do you think the shower water goes?
        
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        November 19, 2016 7:25pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The “Huge Spending” debate is a red herring offered to advance a political cause. The Facts do not back up the rhetoric. First and foremost, our debt as a percentage of GDP is surprisingly small, and many of my friends are surprised when they learn that. To put it in perspective, the US Debt to GDP ratio is about 75-76%. Under a Clinton presidency, it was calculated to keep rising to about 85%. Under a Trump Presidency, it is anticipated, based on current promises, go blow out to 105%
  
  http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/09/26/donald-trump-would-boost-debt-more-than-hillary-clinton-report-says/
  
  The Debt to GDP ratio in Japan is an eyewatering 220%.
  
  NZ Debt to GDP ratio is 24.6%, and our Budget is in surplus. Recent events such as quakes and Trump presidencies will have an effect but we must acknowledge that NZ is in this position without agreements like the TPPA.
  
  If it falls over, we will survive and thrive. We actually have it very good here, and the naysaying you have is at odds with many are experiencing.
  
  That being said, housing remains a big issue, and I hope that support from the Maori Party will enable the RMA changes need to help remedy this to be enacted.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:27am
  - GoVege
    
    With all the Maori families I have known with 10 to 22 kids, housing will ALWAYS be a “big issue”.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:10am
SteveRemmington

I see David Bain rattling the money jar again in today’s news.

Spent all his money already?
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November 19, 2016 8:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’d suggest it’s more likely that it’s Joe rattling the jar on David’s behalf.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:15am
  - cmm
    
    Joe rattling the jar on Joe’s behalf more like.
    
    According to wonkipedia: ” Karam was paid $424,480 by Legal Services for his legal work in support of David Bain. “
    
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    November 19, 2016 8:39am
    - Honeybadger
      
      Geezus, who downticked this fact!
      
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      November 19, 2016 12:47pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The jar is never empty to those who put nothing in.
  
  David Bain killed his family and continues to want to be paid for doing so.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:19am
  - Notsofast
    
    Interestingly in the precursor case, it is accepted by serious analysts that Jeremy Bamber did not kill his family. The evidence lines up in a parallel fashion.
    
    But to save time I will point out the following in the hope that a Bain analyst will bring scientific evidence to this party to prove me wrong on any of the following points
    
    1. Margaret Bain wrote a letter to a friend saying she was concerned Robin Bain was going to grab a gun and shoot them all.
    2. Margaret Bain and Laniet Bain were confirmed by security footage to have withdrawn as much cash from a machine as possible about midnight, 5 hours before they were both shot.
    3. Robin Bain had blood smeared on his wrists, as photographed at the crime scene. The blood was not tested. The crown does not dispute the photographs or the substance they show to exist at the time he was shot.
    4. The crown agrees he was shot with the gun muzzle in contact with his temple.
    5. The crown agrees that there was his blood on towells.
    6. The evidence he was having sex with Laniet is in fact overwhelming, and a powerful motive for murder as some suggest is a strong motive for murder in a similar case. (Lundy, though obviously it was no more Glen Weggery than Mark Lundy)
    7. Gun owners have stated they get exactly the same marks on their thumbs as discovered in a photograph of Robin Bain’s thumb when pressing bullets into a semi automatic 22 cartridge,
    8. David Bain was outside the house when the computer was turned on. This is conceded by the crown.
    9. Ferris saw an opportunity for a highly paid New Zealand holiday and lied on the stand about suicide being impossible.
    9. Callinan is a lying liar hired for a specific purpose, to get your vote.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      notsofast ,
      
      Point 1 , an uncorroborated claim was made back in 1978
      
      Point 2 , was the cash located and how much and for what purpose ? Your point ?
      
      Point 3 Blood smeared on his wrists ? Says whom ? It contradicts Det Mark lodge Testimony who gave evidence at the 2nd trial that amount of blood on his hands was minuscule . The blood was not tested due the fact it was too small amount for testing
      
      Point 4 , all the Crown agreed that it was close contact shot .
      
      Point 5 Robin’s DNA on a Towel ? David’s DNA was found in his Duvet . Again your point ?
      
      Point 6 , the evidence he was having sex with Laniet is pure hearsay originally based on Dean Cottle’s claim which he was never cross examined on . Why ? Furthermore Laniet and a friend went to stay with her father at Taireri for a number of weeks prior to the killings .Hardly behaviour consistent with being sexually abused .
      
      Point 7 the alledged residue marks are in contradiction that Robin left no fingerprints on the bloodied rifle or the upright magazine .
      
      8 The evidence of the computer turn on time is inconclusive as evidence . Therefore the issue boils down to who would type an “untraceable ” message ? Go and figure !
      
      Your last two points are not evidence and pure surmise and conjecture
      
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      November 19, 2016 1:38pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I stand by the points, but certainly they were at the cash machine at that time, it is on video time stamped footage. This is a big data point, because it is a unique and uncharacteristic event. It speaks to motive. It is a sound conclusion that it makes plausible the incest allegations. It accounts for the blazing row David claims to have heard, I mean imagine how your wife would react if your daughter claimed you had been screwing her. It is hard to envisage a more traumatic episode, and getting to the cash machine first at midnight looks a sensible act, as you can bet Robin would be after the same resource. New thread now, so I guess we should continue there.
        
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        November 19, 2016 2:50pm
      - pentwig
        
        Good grief!!
        An idiot refuting an idiot.
        And we have to watch?
        Sad, very sad.
        And fucken dull.
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:08pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …9. Callinan is a lying liar
      
      Well, that is an egregious crime against good grammar!
      
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      November 19, 2016 2:59pm
      - Notsofast
        
        It is not my original concoction, but is not supposed to flatter. Callinan is just another money grubbing expert witness in the Bain case.
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:57pm
- burt
  
  It’s hard paying for good weapons on a paper boy’s wages.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:33am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Opera singer in waiting
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:47am
    - GoVege
      
      Why he can’t he sing for his supper like other losers?
      
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      November 19, 2016 10:11am
      - GoVege
        
        Better idea:
        Instead of draining the poor old tax-payers, maybe our talented Mr Bain and his sidekick could write and put on an opera.
        Dave could sing the lead.
        The public could be invited to make suggestions for a title.
        How about: “If I did it.”
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:50am
- Biscuit
  
  I know that the Bain homestead got destroyed (and the property was then sold) in the aftermath of the murders.
  
  Where did the proceeds for the sale of the property go?
  
  Presumably not to the then-convicted David.
  
  So, and again I am guessing, to the family members/relatives that weren’t killed?
  
  Did David I and David II ever sue for the proceeds to be returned to the now-unconvicted David?
  
  If not, why not?
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:28am
Southern Raider

The left is all concerned about some locker room comments by Trump yet in Dubai another foreigner (British backpacker) has just been jailed for her own rape as it breaches the religion of peaces extramaterial laws.

Imagine the shit that is going to go down with the football World Cup
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November 19, 2016 8:08am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Don’t expect much protesting from our blue haired obese man haters. Rape and its punishment only becomes an issue for them if the accused and the legal system is identified as white.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:18am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    I understood they were 2 British men but no race was mentioned.
    
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    November 19, 2016 8:36am
Chuck Bird

This demonstrates why these sort things should not be decided by politicians. It was a political decision to pay him the $925k so this would not be going on at election time. I cannot see it costing anywhere near $925k to defend any legal action from the Bain team.

The $925 could have gone to Pora who is definitely innocent. It looks like they may have to increase his payment in any case.

David Bain ‘disgusted’ judge ruled out innocence in compensation application without interview

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11750530
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November 19, 2016 8:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Bain should, in my ever-humble opinion, keep his gob shut Chuck, and reflect on how fortunate he is to be living outside the wire. There are still plenty of people, myself included, who are far from convinced that he did not execute his family.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:18am
  - Gabby
    
    Blimey, he’s lucky you’ve chosen not to leap into action. He should totally hide fom your, like, wrath.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:17am
  - Honeybadger
    
    As he accepted that $900 odd thousand, as a final settlement, how do they now have the gall to complain? or do the duo actually want the same amount for each person slaughtered!! I thought Bain would finally slink away with his ill gotten gains!
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:29am
    - holysheet
      
      Full and final only applies to us whiteys. Uncle joe and wee david have found they have some native blood in them and are following the gravy train to its final stop.
      
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      November 19, 2016 11:51am
    - waikatogirl
      
      entitleitis by Bain and Karem
      
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      November 19, 2016 6:39pm
  - GoVege
    
    Maybe he should even ruminate long and hard on how lucky he was not to get a bullet in his own head.
    And how fortunate he was to be the most perfect specimen of sonhood and have his life spared.
    Wonder how often he visits the graves of those less worthy siblings of his?
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:29am
  - Honeybadger
    
    KS, the only time Bain has stood up and opened his own gob (as opposed to the puppeteer speaking for him), he was convicted of multiple murder!
    
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    November 19, 2016 12:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  My information is that ( quoting from Facebook JFRB )
  
  “Early in March last year Callinan had a meeting and the attendees were Michael Reed and Joe Karam for Bain and Michael Heron , Solicitor-General , John Pike and Annabel Markham for the Crown. There was considerable discussion . Michael Reed raised the issue of interviews. Callinan said he did not want to conduct another trial and preferred not to conduct interviews unless the parties thought otherwise.
  Michael Reed and Michael Heron said they did not see the need for interviews.”
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:27am
oldpark

The most divisive President America has ever had. Once more the renegade guy known as Barack Obama is at it again. This time in Germany. He told the Generation Snowflakes in America. To keep on trucking and disrupting every day living, for day to day peaceful Americans. Obama is hell bent on leaving and enhancing his legacy of division and hate,which he learnt from Rev Saul Alinsky his religious mentor where he sat in church pews for a period of twenty years. Obama has destroyed the middle east ,with his pathetic stance and whimpish attitude,yet his attitude to the riots in USA over a perfectly legal democratical election result,where his party got a silver medal,beggars belief.
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November 19, 2016 8:19am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Trump will erase Obama’s legacy, it will be as if the USA never had a black president.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:31am
  - itstricky
    
    I can see why you might not like his politics, but why does it matter that he’s black, and why do you think that is his only distinguishing feature?
    
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    November 19, 2016 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      Well they never had a black president. Obama is genetically as much white as he is black. He was then raised within a white family. He only really embraced his blackness at university when it became politically expedient.
      
      Further, he’s certainly not an “African American” in the normal sense of the phrase. He’s from east cost Africa – not West coast Africa and shares none of the slave history.
      
      It does matter that he’s black: that’s the reason a whole lot of people voted for him – particularly blacks and SJWs.
      
      Many people also hoped a half-n-half prez would help heal racial divides but instead he’s been the worst race-baiter in the last 50 years.
      
      Obama has failed at everything – even at being black.
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        LOL. Not a real black, eh?
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:16am
      - itstricky
        
        Just like “there are only half blood Maori left” or “they weren’t here first”
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:23am
    - starboard
      
      You know murri were not here first. Does the truth have to be punched into you …..
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:37am
      - starboard
        
        …like a keyboard I mean ( I would never support violence to get my point across, unlike murri )
        
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        November 19, 2016 9:39am
      - Kimbo
        
        or Celts!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMzbbK9vmaM
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        The delusions run deep…
        
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        November 19, 2016 10:41am
      - itstricky
        
        Got that concrete example of a free pass yet?
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:44pm
- itstricky
  
  To keep on trucking and disrupting every day living, for day to day peaceful Americans. Obama is hell bent on leaving and enhancing his legacy of division
  
  Can you publish the link that shows that he actually said that?
  
  Oh there it is. Along side “there hasn’t been an American president in history who hasn’t been subject to protests”
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:44am
  - Fletch
    
    “So, I would not advise people who feel strongly or who are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign, I wouldn’t advise them to be silent.”
    
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    November 19, 2016 11:36am
    - cha
      
      I wouldn’t advise them to be silent.”
      
      Yes, be silent.
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      November 19, 2016 11:46am
- stephieboy
  
  old park , the core issue is that the President’s core issue was not dovishness but the fact that people like you , cmm , Jazz Hands etc simply could not stand the thought of a Black family being in the White House .
  
  FACT !
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:33am
  - oldpark
    
    @Stephieboy.
    
    Big call by you,and the people you represent. Seems the same biased judgement call, your people make,when they terrorise alleged gay people,and throw them off buildings.You really have scored an own goal.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:52am
  - cmm
    
    Stephieboy… fact that is not.
    
    I’ve got no problem with a black president per se.
    
    All I care about is if they do the job properly.
    
    I do have a problem with black/woman/whatever president being held to different standards because he’s nominally black (or because she has a vagina/whatever).
    
    The real fact is that Obama was long on promises and delivered on none of those:
    * Close Guantanamo Bay withing first year (Yes We Can)… still open.
    * Obamacare: costs won’t go up, you can keep your current provider etc… oops nope – costs up over 100% in places and Obama is blaming everyone else.
    * Racial healing… oops no, racial tensions worse than under Bush. Blacks are worse off now than before.
    * Fix the Middle East (for which he got a premature Nobel prize)… Nope he and Clinton screwed it up royally.
    * More attacks on foreign countries than under any previous non wartime prez.
    * More arms sales than under any other prez.
    * Added $10T to national debt.
    * Big on climate change, yet has flown more Airforce 1 flights than any other prez.
    
    But he has improved his golf handicap, so that’s something I suppose.
    
    BTW I think Bush was a shit prez too.
    
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    November 19, 2016 11:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm, why did Trump support the action against Gadaffi’s regime and the 2003 invasion of Iraq .
      
      You’re kidding if you think Trump will clean up ISIS or the Middle East by ” bombing the shit out of them ” appealing to the naive and ignorant to those like you .
      
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      November 19, 2016 4:37pm
      - Sponge
        
        That was 13 years ago. Are you so stupid that when you take a position you never change it in the face of new information?
        
        Actually having seen the dross you post here the answer to that is obvious.
        
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        November 19, 2016 7:29pm
- cha
  
  Rev Saul Alinsky his religious mentor where he sat in church pews for a period of twenty years.
  
  Really, Alinsky was a christian?.
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:43am
DifferentPerspective

More insanity from snowflakes

So – a bleeding heart liberal fashion designer has worked out an AbFab way of punishing Trump for his supposed racism towards immigrants.

She wants all fashion houses to discriminate against an immigrant!

These people are f***ing nuts – seriously Trump Derangement Syndrome makes Key Derangement Syndrome look like nothing in comparison.

Is there something in the water over there that is making so many of them behave so irrationally?
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November 19, 2016 8:20am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “liberal fashion designer” = drug addled degenerate.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:33am
- burt
  
  They just don’t want to live in a democratic country anymore.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:37am
- niggly
  
  Appalling (and no self awareness of her own bigotry and double standards – that of the need to treat people fairly and with respect, as she would expect and demand to receive herself)!
  
  At least thank goodness not everyone isn’t as bigoted as that bleeding heart liberal fashion designer, as this person at the end of the article (funny that) says:
  
  “It would be hypocritical to say no to dressing a Trump,” Marcus Wainwright, chief executive of Rag & Bone, also considered. “If we say we are about inclusivity and making American manufacturing great again, then we have to put that before personal political beliefs.”
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:46am
Manolo

Anti-American until his last day in office:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/17/obama-to-anti-trump-protesters-march-on.html

President Obama, speaking at a press conference in Germany, passed up the opportunity Thursday to tamp down the anti-Donald Trump protests back home — urging those taking part not to remain “silent.”

“I suspect that there’s not a president in our history that hasn’t been subject to these protests,” he answered. “So, I would not advise people who feel strongly or who are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign, I wouldn’t advise them to be silent.”
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November 19, 2016 8:21am
- Huevon
  
  “not a president in our history…”
  
  Um, Lincoln? Or does secession not count as a protest? Good riddance to this low information moron. Bring on Jan 20 and Trump.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:41am
  - mikenmild
    
    I should have thought seceding from the union in response to a presidential election rated pretty high on the protest scale…
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:47am
- starboard
  
  What an asshole Obumma is. Sore loser. Move on sooty and take your ugly family with you, nothing to see here , you have been an abject failure.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:42am
  - Ole Bill Mole
    
    go on, tell us what you really think…..
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:15am
  - Lance
    
    You sad little man starboard.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:56am
    - starboard
      
      Very happy actually Lance, life’s good for the starboard.
      
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      November 19, 2016 11:33am
      - Lance
        
        Being a racist pig give you jollies does it starboard?
        Nothing wrong with criticism but pathetic racist insults are a poor form of debate.
        But hey.. maybe it’s the new norm for KB these days?
        
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        November 19, 2016 2:41pm
      - starboard
        
        disappear then lance..foxtrot oscar lance..and take ya funny name wiff ya..
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Here is what the President said a range of issues including the protests ,
  
  ON ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTS IN AMERICA
  
  “I would not advise people who feel strongly or concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign…I wouldn’t advise them to be silent. What I advised before the election and what I will continue to advise after the election is that elections matter, voting matters, organizing matters, being informed on the issues matter, and what I consistently say to young people…do not take for granted our systems of government and our way of life.”
  
  ON COMPARING TRUMP’S ELECTION TO ‘BREXIT’
  
  “Globalization, combined with technology, combined with social media and constant information, have disrupted people’s lives, sometimes in very concrete ways … people are less certain of their national identities or their place in the world.
  
  “And there is no doubt that that has produced populist movements, both from the left and the right, in many countries in Europe. When you see a Donald Trump and a Bernie Sanders — very unconventional candidates — have considerable success, then obviously there’s something there that’s being tapped into.
  
  ON WHETHER HE FEELS ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP
  
  “I think it’s fair to say that I was surprised by the election results, and I’ve said so. I still don’t feel responsible for what the President-elect says or does. But I do feel a responsibility as President of the United States to make sure that I facilitate a good transition and I present to him as well as the American people my best thinking, my best ideas about how you move the country forward, to speak out with respect to areas where I think the Republican Party is wrong, but to pledge to work with them on those things that I think will advance the causes of security and prosperity and justice and inclusiveness in America.”
  
  etc, etc,
  
  http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-what-obama-is-saying-about-trump-20161117-htmlstory.html
  
  AS WE CAN SEE FOX TYPICALLY HAS QUOTE MINED AND DISTORTED BOTH WHAT HE MEANT AND WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID
  
  Thanks Poison Petals !
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:53am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    TL:DR
    
    all I heard was “Baaah”
    
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    November 19, 2016 2:01pm
kowtow

Anyone else get the impression the media are downplaying the importance and significance of the involvement of USS Sampson in the earthquake operation?
Could it be there’s no imagery of protests ,which are used to prove the media’s agenda that we’re all anti American down here?
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November 19, 2016 8:21am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow , you need to attend to either your delusions or paranoia The arrival of the USS Sampson and its diversion to help at Kaikoura was well covered by our local media including this report by TVNZ,
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/us-australian-warships-help-kaikoura-quake-evacuation-effort
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:08am
duggledog

KS

One of the best things DPF ever wrote was a precis on what you had to believe if you thought he did it

And what you had to believe if you thought he didn’t.

Only a fool would think Bain was innocent. One of the things you can innocently bring up in conversation with prospective business partners etc to find out if the relationship is worth pursuing!
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November 19, 2016 8:24am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I agree duggledog. As a male of a similar age to what Robin Bain was when he died, I know what my first priority is when I wake up in the morning.
  
  At post-mortem, Robin Bain was found to have around 400ml of dark, concentrated urine in his bladder, suggesting an overnight accumulation. Most men of my age or similar will know how improbable it would be for someone to get up, get dressed, kill four people including having a fight with one of them, wait for an ancient computer to come to life then type a cryptic message then commit suicide without first needing to have a pee.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:38am
  - cmm
    
    Naah, he was going to have a pee after he killed himself.
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:18am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Actually, that would happen…
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:47am
- mikenmild
  
  I like that idea – using belief in Bain’s innocence as a simple test for idiocy.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:45am
  - Reid
    
    There’s a big difference between guilty in law and guilty in fact. The former is what the appeals and compensation was always based on, the (completely irrelevant) latter is what Bainiacs on both sides can’t stop talking about, apparently, to this very day. It’s like watching thousands of Don Quixote’s all running round charging at windmills, watching people talk about it.
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:17am
    - William of Ockham
      
      Wrong. Compensation is based on factual innocence.
      
      The presumption of innocence until proved guilty is just a legal mechanism.
      
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      November 19, 2016 9:50am
  - cmm
    
    What stuns me is why the MSM seem to flock to supporting his innocence.
    
    Who was that “professional” TV reporter who was celebrating on air when he was acquitted?
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:22am
    - GoVege
      
      Let’s face it cmm.
      The guy does have a dazzling smile.
      That’s enough for most mugs.
      
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      November 19, 2016 10:02am
    - Ole Bill Mole
      
      to be fair, the air-punch was actually before the verdict was known. (was still unprofessional though)
      
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      November 19, 2016 10:19am
duggledog

Manolo

The guy is clutching at straws as his vision is destroyed before his eyes. Can’t wait for that wall.

‘Build That Wall’. So simple. Easy to repeat. Easy to construct – watch him confound everyone and do it.

How, you say?

Well, cows only need a white tape to keep them in the paddock don’t they cos they know it bites them if they touch it. Trump only needs a seven-strand post and batten across the US if it ‘bites’ know what I mean? Cross it and you get shot. Job done.

Nations needs boundaries, same as your farm or suburban property. You don’t have one, you got problems. Hard boundaries are a cornerstone of our civilization, some kiwis don’t get the importance cos they are surrounded by seawater. I bet white South Africans from Capetown get it though.
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November 19, 2016 8:29am
- starboard
  
  sorry I downticked you duggledog in my haste to uptick you.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:45am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Trump said ‘it is just construction, I am good at this, I know how to do this’ (paraphrased)
  He is correct
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:05am
Keeping Stock

A pretty satisfactory day for the New Zealand side at Hagley Oval yesterday, with terrific debut performances from Colin de Grandhomme and Jeet Raval.

The batsmen need to go on today in what will probably be the best batting conditions of the match. A lead of 200-plus would be ideal, and Pakistan has shown in the past they sometimes switch off when they get too far behind the game.
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November 19, 2016 8:30am
- Flash
  
  Let’s hope that Colin lives up to his name for many a year to come –
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:31am
Captain Mainwaring

Yes KS, but there has to be a big question mark about Taylor’s future.
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November 19, 2016 8:34am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Taylor is only one innings away from returning to form Captain. He’s too good a player to remain in a slump for too long.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:41am
- mikenmild
  
  He was a bit unlucky yesterday. Played a couple of nice shots then gloved a bad ball down the leg side to the keeper. 99 time out of a hundred the shot would go for four, but when you’re struggling the luck seems to evaporate as well.
  He’ll be back. I think he has the temperament not to get rattled and the experience to know that if he does his thing the results will come.
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:47am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I agree MM. Taylor will return. I do like the composure Raval showed yesterday. Good technique against the short ball and very good leaver. If the flat track bully, Guptill, ever forces his way back in, it should only be down the order.
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:51am
mikenmild

An amusing side to the surge in support for Planned Parenthood following the US elections.
Over 40,000 donations made in the name of ‘Mike Pence’. He will receive a thank you not for each one.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/how-many-planned-parenthood-donations-came-from-mike-pence.html?wpsrc=nymag
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November 19, 2016 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  Very amusing. But Pence will have the last laugh. Hahahahahaha.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:26am
- mandk
  
  Progressives making a joke of donating to support feticide.
  
  Planned Parenthood will lose its funding.
  
  Can’t wait.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:26am
- Fletch
  
  Just goes to prove that Planned Parenthood does not need Govt funding.
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:39am
Albert_Ross

Credit where it’s due and better late than never – Stuff has actually obtained, and reported, advice and information from somebody who knows what he is talking about.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86639645/The-earthquake-from-an-engineers-perspective
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November 19, 2016 8:48am
b1gdaddynz

Are there any employment law experts in the house today? My sister is meant to go on a overseas holiday in January but her work won’t approve it or decline it. The condition of her contract is that she must give 2 months notice but she applied 2 months ago so more than met this requirement. What are her rights in this situation? She is a full-time employee and has worked for the company for about 6 years but it is based on being assigned jobs so she is also concerned she will lose hours if she forces the issue. Any advice would be appreciated.
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November 19, 2016 8:52am
- holysheet
  
  Is she wanting more days holiday than she is entitled to?
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:29am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Is she married to the Company? If there is no work life balance then time to move on, they have had enough time to adjust. Last year I went to Alaska for 6 weeks, mostly unpaid leave. Next year I am going back – all unpaid leave.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:15am
- fernglas
  
  What do you mean her work won’t approve or decline it? If she has put in a request in accordance with her contract and they have said nothing, then she can assume they have no objection. Depending on how the relevant clause is drafted, they may not be able to object in any event.
  
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  November 19, 2016 1:22pm
- holysheet
  
  Bigdaddy when you ask a question here, and some take the time to ask for further information to be able to answer, it’s polite to reply to these questions.
  
  Are you a member of the “spray and walk away” farnow?
  
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  November 19, 2016 6:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

HIGH DENSITY URBAN DEVELOPMENT IS DEADLY IN NEW ZEALAND’S SEISMICALLY ACIVE ENVIRONMENT

Wellington quake damage ‘could have been worse’ … Catherine Harris … Fairfax New Zealand

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/86591250/wellington-quake-damage-could-have-been-worse

Pavletich (Paulson) comment on thread … in moderation …

Low and light development on sound ground is the only way to go in New Zealand’s seismically active environment.

Just compare the relative performances of Rolleston and Central Christchurch. Rolleston, at the end of the Darfield fault, experienced about 0.8g in the 4 September 2010 events..

Put bluntly … high density is deadly.

Safety, economics and commercial reality will drive the changes nationally … where the focus will be on decentralized low and light development, with restored affordability and mobility.

This has been staring us in the face for years … indeed decades … as the 1996 Television New Zealand documentary Christchurch 1996 Quake Doco – why buildings collapse – YouTube illustrates …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkTy6ogLDX8&lc=nTT73t5-ILJS8Mj8jY1kyjc2KZlR0Xb6ZkTdlcvA9gU&feature=inbox

NZ Earthquake News | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake
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November 19, 2016 8:52am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  And this 1996 doco on Wellington … h/t PH
  
  Wellington 1996 Quake Doco – slips, water, fire and collapse …
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgKEdhvkFM
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:10am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Nermal … if you wish to be even more ignorant about earthquake risks, I suggest you discuss these issues further with a New Zealand engineer …
    
    Quake ‘scores’ far from precise | Stuff.co.nz
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/8960369/Quake-scores-far-from-precise
    
    … and the even more ignorant Nick Smith is pulling in the well known failures at MBIE to ‘investigate’ the Statistics NZ building and (I suppose) others in Wellington.
    
    And this ‘deadly idiocy’ is not being questioned ? 1 ? !
    
    Talk to Christchurch people who were in the central area 22 February 2011. The idiot authorities, with their professional poodles, were very reassuring following the 4 September 2010 event.
    
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    November 19, 2016 5:10pm
- Nermal
  
  Hugh, maybe one day you may notice from the lack of discussion your posts generate, as well as the number of Dow ticks, that nobody really gives a stuff about your hobbyhorse. GIVE IT A REST.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:39am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Nermal … wrong.
    
    Check out local government and housing polling report links at my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
    
    New Zealand is the global leader in politically progressing these issues … as noted within my recent article ‘An Advocates Tale’ … and too … a radio interview late May with Heather du Plessis-Alan.
    
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    November 19, 2016 12:21pm
duggledog

Big Daddy NZ

Rather than ask nameless people such as myself who might give you a bum steer on a blog, I suggest you get your sister to consult an actual employment law specialist.

In a situation like this though personally I would go to the CEO or as far as I can get to the top and get an assurance all will be well, then get that on paper. Communication is key.

Good jobs are hard to find – but these days, finding good people is even harder
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November 19, 2016 9:01am
- calendar girl
  
  Good advice, duggledog.
  
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  November 19, 2016 3:59pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America.

The Bank of America is a shareholder in Lockheed Martin.

Is NZ Prime Minister John Key personally profiting from weapons and war-mongering?

In my considered opinion – YES.

http://www.chesterindependent.com/2016/11/08/institutional-move-from-sec-lockheed-martin-corp-lmt-holder-bank-of-america-corp-has-raised-holding-by-2-20-billion/

“Bank Of America Corp increased its stake in Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT) by 8866407% based on its latest 2016Q2 regulatory filing with the SEC. Bank Of America Corp bought 8.87 million shares as the company’s stock rose 11.23% with the market.

The institutional investor held 8.87M shares of the military and government and technical company at the end of 2016Q2, valued at $2.20B, up from 100 at the end of the previous reported quarter.

Bank Of America Corp who had been investing in Lockheed Martin Corp for a number of months, seems to be bullish on the $73.18B market cap company.

The stock is up 0.64% or $1.52 after the positive news, hitting $240.79 per share.
….”

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
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November 19, 2016 9:19am
- Manolo
  
  Warning! Bludger and rate-dodger supreme on the loose.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:23am
- Komata
  
  Penelope, Penelope, Penelope. You’re old, you’re irrelevant and you’re recycling an old old record with the needle stuck in the same, worn-out place. . No one in New Zealand cares any more, especially after your ‘peaceful’ friends acted in a way that was anything but. The rest of NZ just doesn’t give a stuff, but hey, if it keeps you from paying your rates than go for it.
  
  BTW: Have YOU contributed anything towards the rebuilding of Kaikoura – or did you just sit and scream while your hated AMERICANS actually did something to help…
  
  Actions, madam, speak louder than words and sitting, yelling and obstructing no longer cut it…
  
  (Said in a caring way – not!)
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:30am
- holysheet
  
  Pay your rates, you bludger, before you talk about anyone else.
  
  Oh and use the correct signature.
  ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog/failed mayoral candidate yet again’.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:34am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I don’t say this often, but “Fuck off Penny!”. We are all heartily sick and tired of your hypocritical nonsense on this blog.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:40am
  - Honeybadger
    
    LOL!!
    
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    November 19, 2016 1:03pm
- thedavincimode
  
  In my considered opinion…
  
  … gets me every time.
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:47am
- starboard
  
  “Whoop Whoop fruit cake alert”
  
  ” Whoop Whoop water thief alert “
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:48am
- Rich Prick
  
  Something, something, evil corporates, something, something, war-mongers, something, John Key has shares, something, something, corruption, something, something.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Something irrelevant
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:03am
- G152
  
  Piss off Penny (and pay your rates)
  Bludger
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:15am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:17am
  - sooty
    
    At 10.30 in the morning as I write this. Have you been arrested yet? Or are you going to be later in the day? Probably later as to get the protesters at your rally off to an early start is asking a lot.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:37am
  - sparkhole
    
    I always think of “Wet and Forget” when penny makes a comment.
    
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    November 19, 2016 11:06am
- mandk
  
  Sorry, I don’t understand Penny.
  Is this a Strong Buy, or a just a Buy, recommendation?
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:34am
- niggly
  
  All I say is thank goodness for the likes of Lockheed Martin playing their part in keeping our way of life and freedoms safe!
  
  As for those peaceniks that say their weapons kill innocents, see Samantha Power’s take down of Lisa Owen’s pathetic peddling of the same lines on the Nation today!
  
  No doubt on next week’s The Nation we’ll see Lisa Owen demand the Govt get rid of the RNZAF’s Hercules (the planes that supply aid to the Pacific in times of crisis) because they are now made by Lockheed Martin!
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:01am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off. and I have not even read your drivel, just downticked it, as all should.
  
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  November 19, 2016 3:23pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  What’s worse Penny is JK will use his Bank of America gains to purchase your hovel… max needs a play pen
  
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  November 19, 2016 3:28pm
pdm

I agree re Ross Taylor – he looked in very good touch yesterday and was abit unlucky to be `strangled’ down the leg side. To his credit he put his head down and walked.

Considering that a few weeks ago he couldn’t hit the ball off the square he was finding the middle of the bat yesterday and I agree with Inv2 – as they say form is temporary and class is permanent. With a test batting average in the mid to high 40’s Taylor has a lot of class.
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November 19, 2016 9:21am
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  Sorry to disagree; Taylor has lost whatever form he used to have. The shot he went out on was a sucker shot ; he nearly had the same problem on a previous attempt at a leg glance – amatuerish.
  Better news is Lydia Ko’s magnificent return to form after an exhausting tour of Asia post olympics. Back in the US and a good rest works wonders. Carded a 62 – best round of the LPGA this year.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:14am
Reid

Good background on Flynn and Bannon here:

http://thesaker.is/fear-and-loathing-inside-the-deep-state/
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November 19, 2016 9:33am
artemisia

Funny how unions in the US hate the man who plans to bring jobs back to the US. The local union distributed widely this teaching plan.

California Teachers Offered “Anti-Hate, Trump Teaching Plan” To “Empower Students”
Fakhra Shah, a teacher at Mission High School, drafted the plan with the goal of empowering students, she said.

“This is anti-hate,” Shah said. “This is not just anti-Trump.”

On the heels of Trump’s stunning Nov. 8 victory, Shah wrote a letter to staff, in which she said, “A racist and sexist man has become president.” She also urged them to use a new, optional lesson plan that will allow students to say what’s on their minds.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-16/california-teachers-offered-anti-hate-trump-teaching-plan-empower-students
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November 19, 2016 9:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey , could all you chaps and chappesses get off your laptops, tablets, phones, pronto?

You folks are disrupting the way things should be, and some of us (important folks) don’t like it.
https://americanlookout.com/lpn-obama-and-angela-merkel-its-the-internets-fault-for-stopping/
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November 19, 2016 9:53am
Inandout

A balanced MSM would report this Muslim preacher alongside loopy Bish Tamaki. Shaykh Anwar Sahib is a travelling hate merchant who is also a mentor to Sonny B Williams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=-ZsgNWHjuZE

Shaykh Anwar Sahib influences millions of gullible Muslims. Preacher Tamaki has but a handful of flock in comparison. Thanks to WO for exposing Jew, gay, Christian and anything else hating Sahib.
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November 19, 2016 9:53am
William of Ockham

Oh yes, Maggy, the Brietbart version of reality!

And was the Internet invented in the US (Washington Times)? It developed in several places and Brit Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
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November 19, 2016 10:03am
- Reid
  
  I think the http protocol was developed by CERN scientists to share data which is why its formatting capability was for the first several decades so awkward.
  
  Then DARPA saw its potential for an unbreakable comms network for use in post-nuclear war scenarios because you can take out nodes but it self-adapts and the network remains intact. DARPA was the agency most responsible for the decision to propagate it worldwide.
  
  The PTB failed to realise the consequences until too late which is why the content on their identities and machinations is so ubiquitous. But there’s an alternative protocol they call Internet2 that’s on stand-by in the event the truthiness gets out of control.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, watch Obama and Merkel say it in their own words, then.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/18/president-obama-blames-the-internet-for-the-rise-of-trump-technology-needs-more-control/
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:36am
  - William of Ockham
    
    Watts? Is that the bloke who said he would accept Richard Muller’s conclusions on climate science when the Kock-brother oil billionaires funded him in the expectation he would find it wrong?
    
    But carries on lying when Muller found it correct?
    
    That rrrs hole? Full of shit?
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      This is the whole point, isn’t it Dennis?
      
      If the MSM won’t report the news, facts ….. then folks can nowadays search out news, facts for themselves.
      
      You can trumpet all you like for your cause, but as Obama and Merkel have realised, you aren’t managing to control everyone’s thoughts, yet.
      
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      November 19, 2016 11:01am
      - stephieboy
        
        Get real .Since when has Merkel or Obama tried to manipulate and control your thoughts , silly woman ?
        
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        November 19, 2016 11:14am
      - William of Ockham
        
        Trumpet or sTrumpet? No, that would be those doing it for money…
        
        A few oil billionaires and their useful idiots.
        
        Or every scientific institution and society on the planet … yeah right!
        
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        November 19, 2016 12:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So if Breitbart, or WUWT aren’t acceptable sources for what Obama and Merkel were saying, could you guys consider the White House, Office of the Press Secretary, as a reliable source for a transcript of their speeches?
        https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/11/17/remarks-president-obama-and-chancellor-merkel-germany-joint-press
        
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        November 19, 2016 2:27pm
  - niggly
    
    Good grief, Obama can’t have it both ways, after all the internet and social media is also the left’s preferred propaganda and dis information tool – think of Russia, North Korea etc, and all those annoying lefties that take over Facebook feeds with their hate John Key (and now Trump) pages and conspiracy theories!
    
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    November 19, 2016 11:09am
flipper

Listen pennydipshit…..
Since U are so fond of talking about rights, you migh check out the UN’s D of HRts.

Of all the forgotten freedoms, property rights appears to be the one that attracts the most attention by way of non observance by dipshits like you. Yet it (Article 17) should be utterly uncontroversial. Article 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that ‘everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others’ and ‘no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property’.

Property rights are not just about physical property. Property rights are about people’s ownership of their own bodies, the use of physical property and land and intellectual property. Property rights are not just important for the sense of security they provide. The freedom of exercising property rights underpins our (that is 99% of the world) entire market economy.

So, pennydipshit, John Key or someone acting on his behalf, or a company in which he holds shares, or even you, could own all of Lockheed Martin. It is quite legal, moral, and an officially conferred human right.

So dipshit,take you stupid views and shove them where it hurts U most.

Oh …. BTW dipshit …… dont come back until you apologise to Banksie and compensate him for your vicious libels. And pay your rates
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November 19, 2016 10:07am
- William of Ockham
  
  flipper. You’re so easily upset. Harden up, buddy.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:12am
  - holysheet
    
    I see the Ockham village idiot is still trying to out do stupidboy in the quest to be the village idiot of KB.
    I think we can call it a draw.
    
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    November 19, 2016 12:00pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Go flipper, sock it to her!!!
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:24am
Keeping Stock

Tell us what you REALLY think flipper!
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November 19, 2016 10:12am
AgentBallSack

A good article by Rush Limbaugh on liberal thought processes:

Trump victory exposes deranged left

RUSH: From the deranged America Stack. U.K. Daily Mail. Ready for this? “Parents slam Texas high school after two 10th graders were allowed to perform skit portraying the assassination of Donald Trump in front of classmates. Two sophomores at Marshall High School in San Antonio, Texas, were reprimanded after skit titled ‘The Assassination of Donald Trump’.

“One of the boys made a gunfire sound effect with his cellphone while the other boy, who played Trump, fell to the ground. The teacher apologized and stopped her students, school officials said. But Harold and Melinda Bean, parents of another student, were upset that harsher measures were not taken.”

I want you to imagine if this had happened eight years ago or four years ago and it was Barack Hussein Obama who had been portrayed as having been assassinated. Can you believe — folks, I’m developing a theory, and I don’t want to get too deep into it now. The left appears to me to be genuinely imploding, and I mean imploding to the point that low-information people are going to see how wacko they are. I think the nature of this implosion is going to be their marginalization.
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November 19, 2016 10:16am
- stephieboy
  
  ABS , irony factor of 10 on a scaled 0 none to 10 huge ,
  
  http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/rushlimbaugh/a/limbaughjokes.htm
  
  I like the one of blaming Obama the fact that he was into his fourth marriage .
  
  Yours ?
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:24am
Michael

Re David Bain’s latest rant.
The fact of the matter is this.
On May 4 2015 a metting was held in Auckland before Hon Ian Callinan and the attendees were Michael Reed and Joe Karam for Bain and Michael Heron, Solicitor -General, John Pike and Annabel Markham for the Crown. There was considerable discussion.
Mr Reed raised the question of interviews.
Callinan said he did not want to conduct another trial and preferred not to conduct interviews unless the parties thought otherwise.
Mr Reed and Mr Heron said they did not see the need for interviews.
So it looks to me to be a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing.
As Callinan said, when he was told David Bain had expected to be interviewed by him, all he had to do was ask.
What’s more , Bain complained about Callinan saying he hated his father. What Bain doesn’t mention in his affidavit is that he said he hated his father more than once. Callinan was on to that.
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November 19, 2016 10:17am
William of Ockham

The problem with the Bain trial was there was just too much evidence. Any one of a dozen large and clear pieces of the jigsaw could have convicted him if one accepts it was David or Robin – that is the centre piece. Instead tatty little bits were used to bamboozle and sow doubt in a well-propagandised jury.

The story-line it was Robin is preposterous. Cabinet should have summarily dismissed David Bain’s first application for compensation. After the second farce-of-a-trial was not declared a mistrial.

Let’s not forget one juror went on TV and declared Bain was not innocent. If that’s not a smoking gun…
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November 19, 2016 10:27am
Reid

Donald Trump’s newly named chief strategist and senior counselor, Steve Bannon, laid out his global nationalist vision in unusually in-depth remarks delivered by Skype to a conference held inside the Vatican in the summer of 2014.

Well before victories for Brexit and Trump seemed possible, Bannon declared there was a “global tea party movement” and praised European far-right parties like Great Britain’s UKIP and France’s National Front. Bannon also suggested that a racist element in far-right parties “all gets kind of washed out,” that the West was facing a “crisis of capitalism” after losing its “Judeo-Christian foundation,” and he blasted “crony capitalists” in Washington for failing to prosecute bank executives over the financial crisis…

Essentially what he says is that modern capitalism is not what it used to be in our Judeo-Christian society. Just after the war, capitalism benefitted the middle-class, it was directed toward benefitting it. Now however, it’s mostly directed toward benefitting the tiny elite cabal.

…the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things. And, quite frankly, it’s the reason that the United States’ financial situation is so dire, particularly our balance sheet. We have virtually a hundred trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities. That is all because you’ve had this kind of crony capitalism in Washington, DC…

…The 2008 crisis, I think the financial crisis — which, by the way, I don’t think we’ve come through — is really driven I believe by the greed, much of it driven by the greed of the investment banks. My old firm, Goldman Sachs — traditionally the best banks are leveraged 8:1. When we had the financial crisis in 2008, the investment banks were leveraged 35:1. Those rules had specifically been changed by a guy named Hank Paulson. He was secretary of Treasury. As chairman of Goldman Sachs, he had gone to Washington years before and asked for those changes. That made the banks not really investment banks, but made them hedge funds — and highly susceptible to changes in liquidity. And so the crisis of 2008 was, quite frankly, really never recovered from in the United States. It’s one of the reasons last quarter you saw 2.9% negative growth in a quarter. So the United States economy is in very, very tough shape.
And one of the reasons is that we’ve never really gone and dug down and sorted through the problems of 2008. Particularly the fact — think about it — not one criminal charge has ever been brought to any bank executive associated with 2008 crisis. And in fact, it gets worse. No bonuses and none of their equity was taken. So part of the prime drivers of the wealth that they took in the 15 years leading up to the crisis was not hit at all, and I think that’s one of the fuels of this populist revolt that we’re seeing as the tea party. So I think there are many, many measures, particularly about getting the banks on better footing, making them address all the liquid assets they have. I think you need a real clean-up of the banks balance sheets.

In addition, I think you really need to go back and make banks do what they do: Commercial banks lend money, and investment banks invest in entrepreneurs and to get away from this trading — you know, the hedge fund securitization, which they’ve all become basically trading operations and securitizations and not put capital back and really grow businesses and to grow the economy. So I think it’s a whole area that just — and I will tell you, the underpinning of this populist revolt is the financial crisis of 2008. That revolt, the way that it was dealt with, the way that the people who ran the banks and ran the hedge funds have never really been held accountable for what they did, has fueled much of the anger in the tea party movement in the United States…

Plus he talks about the social movements and the war on terror. This is Trump’s #1 advisor. Reading this, I’m quite looking forward to seeing if it pans out or not. I for one hope it does.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.snXbep04J#.jm397Oj5a
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November 19, 2016 10:31am
- William of Ockham
  
  Brexit and its Consequences. Ann Pettifor
  http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14747731.2016.1229953
  Abstract
  In this brief essay, I argue that the ‘Brexit’ vote is but the latest manifestation of popular dissatisfaction with the utopian ideal of autonomous markets beyond the reach of regulatory democracy. Brexit represented the collective, if (to my mind) often misguided, efforts of those ‘left behind’ in Britain to protect themselves from the predatory nature of market fundamentalism. In a Polanyian sense, it is a form of social self-protection from self-regulating markets in money, trade and labour.
  
  Introduction
  Globalization was, and remains, the utopian ambition of those many economists, financiers, politicians, and policy-makers …
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:36am
  - Reid
    
    I think the left are reading this wrong. This is not a left vs right issue, it’s a class issue. Those on the left that hallucinate the left “owns” the working class are getting all confused about the fact this is not about the working class, it’s mostly about the middle class, and what’s happened to them, as a result of the elites.
    
    Unless and until the left wake up to this simple fact and drop the marxism and start addressing the true masses instead of just part of it, it will remain in the political doldrums throughout the Western world.
    
    People like Farage there and Peters here get this and this is why they are successful, while the silly ole lefties keep munting on to not only, only half of the pie, but to the weakest half of it too. Talk about dumb. Talk about roaringly mental.
    
    I realise it must be very hard for you people to get things right when you have people like stephie coming along and making “contributions” but honestly, I would have thought at least one or two of you might have understood at least something about politics, but evidently not.
    
    What a shame.
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:51am
    - Reid
      
      Wiliam I tried to edit to remove the personal references as I’m not certain of your affiliation but WordPress blocked it.
      
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      November 19, 2016 10:53am
      - William of Ockham
        
        Don’t worry, Reid, nothing appears on kiwiblog that bothers me. I believe in fairness by the society and personal responsibility by the individual, with clear rules and strict discipline.
        
        But I can tell the difference between a genius like Lee Kwan Yew and a genie like Donald Trump.
        
        Western Civilisation will not survive. Islamification and man-made climate change will end it this century.
        
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        November 19, 2016 1:32pm
      - Reid
        
        The US looks a lot like the UK did this time last century. The question really is: will the US go quietly into the night as China assumes the reigns, or will it do a Samson and pull the whole world down with it.
        
        While I quite admire the Chinese way of diplomacy over the Western approach (co-operative partnership as opposed to coercive imposition sweetened by lots of cash and favour to key players) some aspects of the Chinese human scare me cold, such as their propensity to harvest organs from conscientious objectors like Falun Gong. That shows ruthlessness on an official plane that equals the coldly implacable Nazis. It’s a standardised if unacknowledged process. That standardisation indicates comfort and who on earth if with authority to shut down that program could sleep soundly knowing that’s going on, as they sleep. That’s cold, that’s real cold man. But it’s happening, right now and has been for decades. And this is what our grandchildren have to deal with.
        
        However I find it encouraging Trump has indicated a willingness to look into joining the AIIB (Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank). They launched earlier this year, NZ is a founding member, the US eschewed due to Obama’s “pivot to Asia.” But that’s what’s funding the new Silk Road, which will join Asia to Europe and will be this century’s Panama Canal.
        
        Jaw jaw is always better than war war, as I think it was Churchill said.
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

Ngaruawahia in the news again for all the wrong reasons.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86642138/kids-in-ngaruawahia-crash-all-15-or-under
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November 19, 2016 10:32am
- starboard
  
  Darwinism almost won..next time.
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:39am
RF

That earthquake around Kaikoura has caused massive problems. What used to be an average of 5.5 hours drive from Christchurch to Picton – depending on scenic stops, will now be a fast 7.5 hours over the Lewis Pass. Well – 7.5 in fine weather. God knows how long in winter with snow etc…..

Its going to scare the crap out of your average tourist who used to crawl up the coast road.

With after shocks predicted to last up to 2 years I can see the rail link becoming a distant memory. The unstable rock faces above the road is going to impact on the road repairs as well.

Just wait until the Hope fault goes off !!!!!! That will go through the Lewis, Hanmer, Kaikoura and out to sea through the trench. A perfect mix for a Tsunami. Oh.. did I mention the Alpine fault !!!!!!
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November 19, 2016 10:35am
- SPC
  
  The problem with slips that take months rather than weeks to sort out is that if they are done one after the other the time taken builds up. If there are 4 or so major ones, one can come at it from north and south – 2 from each direction to cut down some of the time.
  
  That can be done before next winter.
  
  Sea transport is replacement for rail, not trucks through Murchison.
  
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  November 19, 2016 11:44am
  - G152
    
    As all those slips are on a coastal road they -could- land diggers and gear from the sea to attack -all- the slips at one time.
    
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    November 19, 2016 12:34pm
    - starboard
      
      too much common sense..RMA to climb over, iwi to consult, consultants to consult, ticket clippers ready with hands out..anywhere else in the world they would be onto it right now..diggers and bulldozers..those lazy dole bludgers on the ends of shovels. Not on your nelly. Whats the bet nothing will be shifted within 12-18 months.
      
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      November 19, 2016 1:31pm
      - Inandout
        
        Ngai tahu will need to be compensated for the lost whaling business. Iwi settlement would have a clause.
        
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        November 19, 2016 2:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Given the coast road is closed for an extended period, should they pound all the overhanging bluffs along the route with explosives and eliminate most of the potential future dangers? Seems like could be an excellent opportunity to make major improvements without the necessity of keeping the route passable at all times.
  
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  November 19, 2016 4:16pm
Gabby

Lush Rimbaugh is genuinely saddened that ‘the kenyan’ made it through 8 years unassassinated.
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November 19, 2016 10:36am
- William of Ockham
  
  You expect something other than sh1t from an rrrs hole?
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:39am
pdm

Trout 10.14.

Did you see Taylor batting yesterday? It is the best he has looked since Zimbabwe and I think he should prosper from now on.

You are right re Lydia Ko – magnificent!!!
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November 19, 2016 10:38am
Kimbo

Cricinfo commentary on the first over this morning:

36.6 Sohail Khan to Raval, no run, presses forward and defends on the front foot

36.5 Sohail Khan to Raval, no run, length ball, a touch of outswing, but again Sohail can’t make Raval play

36.4 Sohail Khan to Raval, no run, a bit shorter this time, a little closer to the stumps, Raval watches it through

36.3 Sohail Khan to Raval, no run, shoulders arms again outside the off stump

36.2 Sohail Khan to Raval, no run, blocked off the front foot with a straight bat

36.1 Sohail Khan to Raval, no run, Raval begins by letting the first ball go outside off

So good to have a test opener who knows his job is to stay there as long as possible, reduce his strokes while the initial pitch conditions are against him, and wear down the bowlers so that the job of stroke makers to come later in the order is made easier. Just love that phrase, “can’t make Raval play”. As they counsel in Yorkshire – “thee can nay score roons back in ‘t pavillion!”
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November 19, 2016 10:41am
- Kimbo
  
  …and Nicholls fails again. A lot will depend on Watling digging in and the lower order batting around him.
  
  Oh, yes, and Wagner is sitting on 99 test wickets in only his 26th test.
  
  38.3 Sohail Khan to de Grandhomme, FOUR, shot! First ball in Test cricket and four! de Grandhomme clips the full ball off his pads through midwicket, no sighter necessary
  
  Has Colin de Grandhomme bought a Lotto ticket because it is certainly turning into his week!
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:42am
Reid

Eliot Cohen announces the neocons are standing by ready to serve, announcing Trump as “usable.”

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/11/10/to-an-anxious-friend/
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November 19, 2016 10:43am
Kimbo

…and I just realised, four of the Black Caps- Raval, de Grandhomme, Watling and Wagner – are not New Zealand-born. Has anyone told big bruv we are looting the cricketing talent from around the Indian Ocean?
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November 19, 2016 11:22am
Fletch

BOOM!

I haven’t seen the Democrats this mad since we freed the slaves!

https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/799625987210166272
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November 19, 2016 11:43am
Fletch

Kayne West says he would have voted for Trump. Gets booed at his own concert.

https://twitter.com/albertoreyes/status/799518214740967425/video/1
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November 19, 2016 12:02pm
Manolo

Are you coping, stephieboy? Will you be able to say President Trump from Jan 20 onwards?
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November 19, 2016 12:11pm
- Ross12
  
  I heard Soper on radio last night saying he is struggling to say it –time for ZB to get a replacement for him.
  
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  November 19, 2016 1:28pm
  - starboard
    
    but..but..who could possibly replace barely sober?
    
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    November 19, 2016 2:05pm
    - sooty
      
      HDPA. Hhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!
      
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      November 19, 2016 4:35pm
      - starboard
        
        LOL !!
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:38pm
Reid

I’ve been telling you for a decade or more the West is being lined up for a Christian-Muslim war, and many of you are, like the pre-war Germans before you, falling into the same trap they did, by falling for the same techniques Hitler used, to turn them against their neighbours.

The Muslim invasion is a result of wars the West itself fomented and laws the West’s leaders made in the past few decades, neither of which their people were consulted over or wanted and both of which go totally against their best interests, consisting mostly not of families but of young, fit but poorly educated men (where are their girlfriends?).

So if you look at this in the context of that overall goal, to force a war, all those elements look very much like a long term plan, don’t they. The objective for this Muslim invasion phase is not, of course, to overthrow the Western govts, but to revolt us so much we come to hate their guts enough we want to kill em all, nay, we demand it.

Ruthless isn’t it, but why else have they put in tens of thousands of terrorists into sleeper cells in Western Europe and in the US? What does anyone think they’re there for? To get a job at the local garage and buy groceries? And remember this was all and has all happened under the surveillance state with all the resources they have to weed out these people, but they haven’t been tasked to, have they. If they had been we would have known about it if not just merely by the reports of the roundup operations as a result of their efforts. But nothing like that, from any affected Western country, over the last two years it’s been happening.

Anyway, here’s one of the signs of their evil plan paying its evil dividend.

A translator at German refugee camps has revealed Muslim migrants are showing ‘pure hatred’ toward Christians and want the country to be Islamised.

The Arabic speaker worked in a number of asylum centres across the country and went undercover to discover migrants were preaching ‘pure hatred’ about non-Muslims and women were planning to have more children to ‘destroy Christians’.

She said the hostility is also visible at asylum homes, where Muslim children refuse to play with Christians…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3944874/They-want-Islamised-despise-country-values-Translator-German-refugee-camp-says-Muslim-migrants-display-pure-hatred-Christians.html
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November 19, 2016 12:14pm
- Reid
  
  BTW, in case you were thinking we are protected, what do you think is going to happen if the West does declare war on Islam, to all the Muslims in SE Asia? Don’t you think they’re going to want to all get together, pool their resources and invade these two plump bastions of the hated enemy?
  
  Imagine a 100 ship invasion force packed with a hundred thousand seething angry poorly educated ruthless and angry Indonesian Muslims arriving off the coast.
  
  And Aus can’t help because its fully engaged battling the Timor Sea invasion that happened a month before.
  
  WTF would we do? Die horribly, that’s what.
  
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  November 19, 2016 2:40pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    We would meet them on the beaches with our 22s and 303s, beside hunters and farmers, gang members and police.
    We would stand our ground and repel the bastards.
    Is there any doubt?
    
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    November 19, 2016 4:05pm
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      Er…
      
      Yes?
      
      A squadron of maritime-trained strike aircraft would be handy then, wouldn’t it.
      
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      November 19, 2016 4:15pm
      - starboard
        
        Aren’t they in gladwrap somewhere near Blenheim thanks to HE Klark?
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:37pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Well, you talk shit all day so why can’t I?
        
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        November 19, 2016 4:52pm
    - Reid
      
      No I make erudite observations of immense import AC. You talk shit.
      
      Yes, I am kidding.
      
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      November 19, 2016 5:16pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        That’s a quote from somewhere I’m positive… can’t put my thumb on it,
        
        Watching the world right now Reid perhaps a skirmish like this would be net positive, it’s fucking difficult to complain like a snow flake about lgbti or what ever the fuck it is… when your more worried about you, your mates and family surviving the night.
        
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        November 19, 2016 5:44pm
Reid

President Obama, speaking at a press conference in Germany, passed up the opportunity Thursday to tamp down the anti-Donald Trump protests back home — urging those taking part not to remain “silent.”

The president fielded a question on the protests during a joint news conference in Berlin alongside German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

“I suspect that there’s not a president in our history that hasn’t been subject to these protests,” he answered. “So, I would not advise people who feel strongly or who are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign, I wouldn’t advise them to be silent.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/17/obama-to-anti-trump-protesters-march-on.html
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November 19, 2016 12:27pm
- Manolo
  
  That was the anti-American president in action. Shame on the Messiah.
  
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  November 19, 2016 3:54pm
tranquil

I just *can’t believe* the utter panic that the US Left is in regarding the election of Trump!

There is an excellent page here that shows how the leftists have been brainwashed –
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153080448451/the-cognitive-dissonance-cluster-bomb

Quote – “So how do you explain-away Trump’s election if you think you are smart and you think you are well-informed and you think Trump is OBVIOUSLY a monster?

You solve for that incongruity by hallucinating – literally – that Trump supporters KNOW Trump is a monster and they PREFER the monster.”

This view of Trump supporters is (of course) utter rubbish! If they REALLY wanted a monster then they would have voted for HILLARY!
She is *evil personified* with her corruption, lies and her gutter-level treatment of those working for her.

Anyway – I’ll be soaking in my bath of schadenfreude for a few months yet as I watch the left implode.
Bwahahahaha………. 🙂
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November 19, 2016 3:03pm
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  On the other hand, the NZ Left, stephieboy and some other Hillary-lovers, are still in a catatonic state. 🙂
  
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  November 19, 2016 3:53pm
- Reid
  
  The left and all its apparatchiks will do their level best over the next four years to constantly slant, constantly critique and constantly denigrate everything that Trump does. And they will use propaganda, social media, that MSM they own and control (which includes WaPo, the NYT and CNN), street protests and other means to rally around.
  
  This is all part of the mechanism Soros has used around the world, it’s how Libya, Egypt, and Ukraine have been recently played and it started back in the 90’s with the Eastern European colour revolutions.
  
  See what they looked at were the mechanisms Brzezhinsky used to organise and rally the Mujihadeen and they got Travistock to come up with a model and it has evolved over time to what we now see.
  
  Soros and both Clintons were at a NY Hotel the morning after the election, wearing purple. It was to launch Soros’ Purple Revolution.
  
  All part of the branding. Here’s a good article on how it works:
  
  http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/11/clintons-and-soros-launch-america-purple-revolution.html
  
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  November 19, 2016 4:26pm
  - tranquil
    
    Reid said – “This is all part of the mechanism Soros has used around the world,….”
    
    He is an evil, EVIL scumbag.
    
    I think he may be even *more* evil than Hillary (and that’s saying something).
    
    Any hitman who took out Soros would be doing the world a *huge* favour.
    Unfortunately, most of them are more likely to be working FOR him rather than against him.
    
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    November 19, 2016 5:48pm
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      He’s one of those movie villains who everyone knows is a villain worthy of arrest on sight but somehow nothing ever happens re: that.
      
      And the question is: why.
      
      For all these decades.
      
      And will it now change, with a Trump now in charge, or will it be simply more of the “Change you can believe in,” with a few minor baddies arrested but Dr Evil escaping yet again.
      
      Sad isn’t it, when critically serious issues have to be phrased like that when we shouldn’t even need to be discussing them, because the correct answer is obvious to everyone.
      
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      November 19, 2016 6:53pm
rightoverlabour

I FUCKING give up! We have a major earth quake and every beurocrat with a clipboard and a pen arrive to ensure that the survivors experience as much pain as possible. MPI officials dealing with Paua, Civil Defence telling the Army it’s too dangerous to drive down a road, Engineers clearing buildings that will probably still be standing in a 1000 years time…
On CD telling the army where and when it can go, are they going to go with them into operations and decide where and when they can engage an enemy based on their assessment of the risk? I have no faith in CD at all. From now on I will rely on my military training for making decisions about when and where I should go in an emergency. It’s kept me alive so far.
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November 19, 2016 3:11pm
- starboard
  
  Yes I giggled and rolled my eyes when the army was told they couldn’t drive to Kaikoura thru the back roads. Shows you all that is wrong with NZ right now. Pathetic hand wringing ” is it safe ” wasters involving themselves in everybodies every day life. I hate them all with a passion. Die, all of you.
  
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  November 19, 2016 4:19pm
- Gabby
  
  Sure let them get on with it. ‘But on the proviso that there is no extra support via emergency services, ACC, MSD etc if things turn to custard.’
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:18pm
Fletch

The advent of the liberal “cry bully”.

To gain power, totalitarian movements always portray themselves as victims. And while they are in the process of abusing, they cry in front of the world posing as the abused. They stage “hate-crime” attacks against themselves because hate crimes are their political and cultural capital. When those hate-crimes don’t exist, they must be invented.

We are witnessing precisely this phenomenon at this very moment in regards to the myriad hoax “hate-crimes” that anti-Trump forces are manufacturing out of thin air and blaming on Trump supporters.

Shillman Fellow Daniel Greenfield explains this phenomenon in the context of the Left:

“The left is a victimhood cult. It feeds off pain and fetishizes suffering as a moral commodity to be sold and resold in exchange for political power.”

Greenfield calls this leftist charade “victimocracy” and labels its foot soldier the “cry-bully” who is, in reality, the “abuser-victim.” This monster, Greenfield writes, is

“the abuser who pretends to be a victim. His arguments are his feelings. He comes armored in identity politics entitlement and is always yelling about social justice or crying social justice tears. If you don’t fight back, the cry-bully bullies you. If you fight back, the cry-bully cries and demands a safe space because you made him feel unsafe.”

Thus, because now the Unholy Alliance maniacs feel “unsafe” because they didn’t get their way in the election, it becomes very clear why it’s crucial for them to play the victim – and, most importantly, to fabricate “hate-crimes” being perpetrated against themselves. Greenfield explains:

“If cry-bullies can’t safe-bait you, they will manufacture threats by faking hate crimes against themselves or phoning in bomb threats to validate their need for a safe space in which no one is allowed to disagree with them. Surviving their own fake crimes turns cry-bullies into social justice heroes.”

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/18/the-hate-crime-victims-of-trump-who-werent/
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November 19, 2016 3:28pm
- Gabby
  
  Greenfield better watch it or he’ll get hisself standyourgrounded, talking threatening stuff like that.
  
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  November 19, 2016 7:00pm
BeeSting

https://www.politicalislam.com/
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November 19, 2016 4:11pm
freemark

Pike River Anniversary, how could we forget as a certain Labour Party funded blog controlled by a perpetually PMS affected woman has reminded us 6 times in the last couple of days..
I made a suggestion which of course didn’t make it past totalitarian thought police moderators..
“Maybe the Govt should offer a sum ($5M?, $10M?) so the representatives of the families could go in if it’s that easy. But on the proviso that there is no extra support via emergency services, ACC, MSD etc if things turn to custard.”
Maybe they just want John Key to go to jail…
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November 19, 2016 4:12pm
Manolo

Keeping a healthy distance:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/im-no-clinton-french-presidential-favorite-says-083923706–business.html
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November 19, 2016 4:14pm
BeeSting

Behind the Scenes the Good People who have kept Aus Safe so far are scrambling to predict and prevent
the next Paris Style attack in Aus

Black Hawk Helicopters have been doing drills at Night in Melbourne

and this week Melbourne featured in an ISIS Video

The War is on it has started and it is here
they intend to wage it not
just in Syria but on Australian soil
and they will do similar in NZ in time

READ

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3945290/ISIS-propaganda-video-encourages-homegrown-terror-attacks-Australia-lists-Melbourne-Airport-St-Paul-s-Cathedral-targets.html

Most of the Previous attacks in Aus happen leading up to Christmas to spoil the Festival

I take my hat off to the Australian Security people
they have prevented attack after attack by preventative raids after raid but it is a law of averages one is going to get through one day

I hope they get it right

if they do not something will go down in Aus
before Xmas as it has in the past

Sites that discuss what they try are prevent

https://www.politicalislam.com/

https://gatesofvienna.net/

or

https://www.jihadwatch.org/
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November 19, 2016 4:29pm
- Gabby
  
  They’re onto you, you know. That cheerleading’s fooling no-one. The beetings won’t hurt much.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:10pm
stephieboy

A first of flip flops by Donald post 8/11,

Trump settles fraud case against Trump University for $25M

In what New York’s attorney general called a “stunning reversal,” president-elect Donald Trump agreed Friday to settle fraud cases involving Trump University for $25 million.

The cases involved a lawsuit by New York state and two class actions suits in California against the university, which promised to reveal Trump’s real estate investing “secrets” to people who enrolled in the courses.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who filed suit against Trump two years ago for what he called “his phony university,” said the president-elect agreed to settle the lawsuits for $25 million and pay an additional $1 million in penalties to the state of New York for violating state education laws. The deal does not require Trump to acknowledge wrongdoing.

“Today’s $25 million settlement agreement is a stunning reversal by Donald Trump and a major victory for the over 6,000 victims of his fraudulent university,” Schneiderman said in a statement.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/18/reports-trump-nears-settlement-trump-u-fraud-case/94068946/

Obviously to defend the fraud suit would be hugely embarrassing for him in the early days of his Presidency .
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November 19, 2016 4:51pm
- Reid
  
  Obviously to defend the fraud suit would be hugely embarrassing for him in the early days of his Presidency.
  
  So it was a master-stroke to close it down immediately, wasn’t it stephie.
  
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  November 19, 2016 5:25pm
  - Gabby
    
    .’dieR’, eerged ruoy peek ot teg uoy ,dnim reveN
    
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    November 19, 2016 10:13pm
- tranquil
  
  Here he is – our nuclear-war-loving “friend” stephie!
  
  You *do* realise that Hillary winning would have guaranteed nuclear war?
  
  She wanted a no-fly-zone in Syria. The Russians would have ignored that.
  Easy to see what happens next – Russian jet gets shot down – nuclear war.
  
  I would have thought that even YOU, stephie, could see that, and could see that Trump winning is VASTLY preferable to that outcome.
  
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  November 19, 2016 5:55pm
  - Reid
    
    I would have thought that even YOU, stephie, could see that
    
    So would have I tranquil, one day long ago, before stephie got such a track record..
    
    These days I’m surprised he even knows an election happened, let alone who won.
    
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    November 19, 2016 6:03pm
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    Nah stupid boy must be a closet christian wanting Killary in power so she could start a nuclear war in the middle east. Get rid of all those shit stirring moslems at the same time. who would have thought?
    
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    November 19, 2016 6:36pm
  - stephieboy
    
    tranquil , guarantee Nuclear war ? In what way precisely ?
    
    When did she advocate Nuclear War ???
    
    ” 9 terrifying things Donald Trump has publicly said about nuclear weapons”
    
    https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifying-things-donald-trump-has-publicly-said-about-nuclear-weapons-99f6290bc32a#.va14rulmg
    
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    November 19, 2016 6:37pm
  - SPC
    
    A no fly zone requires UNSC authorisation. This is what Clinton would have sought, the Russians would have vetoed the idea. That is all that would have happened. Nothing.
    
    And why is that? Coz NATO abused the no fly zone in Libya by over-reaching their mandate to bomb Libyan ground forces, thus earning Russian contempt for their ability to abide by UNSC rules of engagement.
    
    And then the ultimate riposte to the intervention against the government in Libya with their own intervention in Syria on the side of its government – one not requiring external UNSC authorisation (or lies about WMD threat) as this was by invitation of the recognised government.
    
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    November 19, 2016 7:38pm
Fletch

A mall Santa replaced for telling a little girl that Hillary was on the naughty list. lol.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mall-santa-replaced-after-saying-hillary-clintons-on-the-naughty-list/353798745

Hillary doesn’t need a Santa, anyway. She gets the money for her presents by graft.
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November 19, 2016 4:57pm
BeeSting

Fantastic. The Israelis don’t fuck around. Stick it right up ’em boys..send them back to the filthy shit holes they crawled from.

Mate you have that one wrong The Israelis want them to move in next door to you
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November 19, 2016 5:40pm
starboard

Pike River Mine

Bernie Monk

Over it…
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November 19, 2016 5:43pm
starboard

Tongans beating the shit out Chinese Tongans eh

Glorious race , much like our own specials.
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November 19, 2016 6:03pm
Happychappy

So when the health and saftey bill went through the house last year Labour and the left kicked up merry hell saying National were irresponsible and did not care about workers safety.but now they want the votes at the next election they are ready to go agains’t their own views on safety and back the family’s of Pike River Mine and risk peoples lives to try and bring their men out,This is not about the Family’s this is Labour trying to blacken John Key’s name
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November 19, 2016 6:41pm
- Gabby
  
  Pony got crappy advice from some crappy chappy, but he’s staunch and won’t dob the bugger in. Pony’s no stoolie.
  
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  November 19, 2016 10:03pm
BeeSting

Oh come on didn’t you read this and when they say
Australia Australia and NZ are the same country

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia

“The arrival of thousands of Muslim infiltrators to Israeli territory is a clear threat to the state’s Jewish identity,” Danon told The Jerusalem Post.

“The refugees’ place is not among us, and the initiative to transfer them to Australia is the right and just solution.

<
And that means folks they are coming you way

What is not good for Israel is good for you
What is not good for China is good for you
What is not good for Saudi Arabia is good for you

Does John Do what he is told? or what?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/81207710/John-Key-reopens-part-of-16m-Mangere-refugee-centre

You bloody racists bigots should real more israeli and chinese newspapers

I just think if we take some so should china Saudi arabia and israel
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November 19, 2016 7:14pm
- starboard
  
  Are you pissed ?
  
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  November 19, 2016 7:36pm
Andrei

Actually Reid the first step in establishing a “no fly zone” is to take out the air defence systems.

This would entail airstrikes against Russian facilities in Syria and sinking Russian ships in the Med or attempting to

And we know what that would lead to…
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November 19, 2016 8:14pm
- Reid
  
  Saker has a good article on the possibilities:
  
  http://thesaker.is/russian-options-against-a-us-attack-on-syria/
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:34pm
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Funniest thing I have read all day
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November 19, 2016 8:17pm
- nasska
  
  Wait until you read this: 🙂
  
  http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23584/admiral-kuznetsov-sad-smoky-voyage/
  
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  November 19, 2016 8:34pm
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    He shoots, he scores!
    
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    November 19, 2016 8:55pm
  - Reid
    
    nasska this may help
    
    http://thesaker.is/making-sense-of-the-russian-naval-task-force-off-the-coast-of-syria/
    
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    November 19, 2016 9:48pm
Viking2

oh dear Obama’s missus dress maker throws her toy out of the cot just like all the other snowflakes.

One of Michelle Obama’s go-to fashion designers has announced she will refuse to dress incoming First Lady Melania Trump, calling on other designers to do the same.

Sophie Theallet, whose dresses have been a fixture of Michelle Obama’s wardrobe for the past eight years, said she would not continue to provide her services for the next First Family, in a statement released on Twitter on Thursday.

“As one who celebrates and strives for diversity, individual freedom and respect for all lifestyles, I will not participate in dressing or associating in any way with the next First Lady,” Theallet wrote.

Do we really care?
Mrs Trump dresses real nice without the stupid tart.
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November 19, 2016 9:46pm
- Reid
  
  oh dear Obama’s missus dress maker throws her toy out of the cot just like all the other snowflakes.
  
  Exactly.
  
  Imagine if you had to design delicate petals around that bicep.
  
  Well I never!
  
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  November 19, 2016 9:49pm
Viking2

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/86647657/michelle-obamas-favourite-designer-sophie-theallet-refuses-to-dress-melania-trump

sorry forgot the link.
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November 19, 2016 10:11pm
Manolo

The elitists are in shock and unable to accept defeat:
http://nypost.com/2016/11/19/vp-elect-mike-pence-booed-at-hamilton/
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  It’s just awful when politicians are exposed to public disdain – just awful.
  
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  November 20, 2016 7:59pm
Ross12

Interesting look at the voting in California , especially given Trump did not put a lot effort into the state.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/11/19/trump-won-state-jefferson/
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- mikenmild
  
  Independence for Cascadia:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
  
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