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DifferentPerspective

Staggering Revelation! DUH!

Pollster explains the impact of social desirability.

Which all sounds very high-falutin’ – but when you put it in to plain English it reveals a ‘No Shit Sherlock!’ concept that goes something like this….

When you attack people for speaking freely, they stop speaking freely.

Who would’ve thought that rational people who get ‘judged’ and ‘attacked’ for having an opinion like this psychotic CE in the US (lol share price fell 25% in one day after she said this).

Which makes you wonder how ‘Yuge’ would’ve been Trump’s victory if the year long media assault on free speech hadn’t been present!
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November 13, 2016 8:03am
William of Ockham

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The big fish in the big pond is looking more and more like a fish out of water.
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November 13, 2016 8:12am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yes, Obama’s ‘legacy’ which arrived with the stroke of a pen will be wiped out with the stroke of a pen.
  Like a fish, it’s going to be gutted.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:19am
- EAD
  
  W of O,
  
  He is only looking like a fish out of water if you trust the reports from the MSM which pretty much nobody does these unless your a Bolhevisk SJW.
  
  Of course, no reports from the MSM in the fact that Hillary was in floods of tears and inconsolable after Trump’s election victory. That is probably why she was not able to make her concession speech until the next day. Tears have no place in politics. This is just another example as to why women are too ruled by their emotions to be entrusted with high office.
  
  Huma Abedin was also photographed crying the following day.
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/the-enemies-within.html?m=0
  
  Ask yourself who really was the “fish out of water”….
  
  I wonder if Dwight Eisenhower or George Washington did a lot of crying.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:31am
  - mikenmild
    
    This is just another example as to why women are too ruled by their emotions to be entrusted with high office
    
    Oh, it’s not just the Jews you hate, but powerful women as well?
    ‘Kinder, kirche, kucher’?
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:52am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      As is always the case – you missed the point.
      
      At the moment of truth, when an individual of the sort of moral fibre and leadership qualities needed to run a country would act leaderfully – Hillary failed.
      
      She didn’t stand up in front of her supporters and the nation and gracefully admit defeat and pledge her support to the President elect.
      
      No! She was too weak. She was crippled in a fit of emotional turmoil. Just the sort of person you want to be in control of the nuclear buttons. (You know the hypothetical situation where …. oops Putin said something to upset her – now she’s started a nuclear holocaust because she was “triggered”). Kind of like Helen Clark – except she was too vain and bitter to do the right thing – she just threw her toys out of the cot and stomped off in a huff to the UN.
      
      That was the point!
      
      But like always – you reached for your ‘safe-space’ you grabbed for one of the comforting crutches. You accused EAD of being sexist when he recounted facts (ie Hillary fitted herself into the stereotype of the weak emotional female – by being a weak emotional female – as did Huma. Kelly-Anne Conway didn’t when she was being so roundly abused every time she went on US TV – she showed what a truly remarkable person she is).
      
      Still – as I’ve said many times before – thank you. You just done your bit to remind us all again why the Left aren’t fit to govern until they can learn to win the contest of ideas and not resort to worn out hackneyed insults.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:13am
      - mikenmild
        
        You seemed to have missed EAD’s point – that all women are unfit to govern…
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:31am
  - EAD
    
    I love the women in my life MM.
    
    My mother who raised me
    My wife, the mother of my children.
    My sister, again a mother and a wife.
    The daughter who is the apple in her daddy’s eye.
    
    The reality is Men are from Mars, Woman are from Venus.
    
    The difference is in my world, the women if my life complement me and make me a better person.
    
    None of this competitive “man vs. woman, battler of the sexes” feminism shit.
    
    That’s the fast track to societal decay.
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:59am
    - itstricky
      
      I’m beginning to become fascinated by these last century attitudes:
      
      cmm – ‘women can’t handle being doctors’
      cmm – ‘women preferred the 50s to now’
      cmm – ‘women have different laws’
      ead – ‘women are too emotional for positions of power’
      ead – ‘women are there just to complement me’
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:04am
      - cmm
        
        Yes, working with facts does seem to be a last-century way of working.
        
        I have never said a woman can’t handle being a doctor. I even had a girlfriend who is a doctor. She’s a very good doctor – however she didn’t expect any special favours for being a woman. She worked the hard yards like the men did.
        
        Women are less satisfied with their lives now than in the 1950s. It’s a fact. Sorry it does not fit with your worldview.
        
        Women do want different rules. For example in both the NZ police and army, women do not have to meet the same fitness levels as men. They are thus less capable in the field (eg. tackling a criminal or helping rescue a person). Sorry, another fact.
        
        Many modern snowflake women think they can just substitute for hard work and true equality by yelling at the patriarchy and demanding a free pass.
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:25am
      - calendar girl
        
        ‘tricky, Ead did not say “women are there just to complement me”. That’s a serious misquote from what he actually said (immediately above your comment, and 5 minutes before):
        
        “… the women if my life complement me and make me a better person.”
        
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        November 13, 2016 3:42pm
      - itstricky
        
        I have never said a woman can’t handle being a doctor.
        
        Seems pretty straight forward ‘what you said”:
        
        Is this proof that women can’t cut it? In the old days when most Junior Doctors were male there weren’t strikes.
        
        ?
        
        Women are less satisfied with their lives now than in the 1950s. It’s a fact.
        
        What sort of fact? I don’t see women here scrambling to back you up. Where does your fact come from?
        
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        November 13, 2016 8:22pm
      - itstricky
        
        That’s a serious misquote from what he actually said
        
        Not really. Take what he said in the comment before that:
        
        This is just another example as to why women are too ruled by their emotions to be entrusted with high office
        
        (well, I don’t need to interpret this one)
        
        When challenged on that, we get:
        
        None of this competitive “man vs. woman, battler of the sexes” feminism shit.
        
        (i.e. there are defined roles for women and they should not compete with men)
        
        then:
        
        a list of cliche roles of women – mothering, & wife’ing
        
        then:
        
        The difference is in my world, the women if my life complement me
        
        then:
        
        That’s the fast track to societal decay.
        
        i.e. the old “world has gone to shit cause mothers ain’t mothering anymore”
        
        But no mention of him complementing the women in his life.
        
        I dunno, if I was challenged I would have come up with a bit more that suggested women were equally capable of many things than just a list of stereotypes and a “women complement me“
        
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        November 13, 2016 8:35pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I see they have to complement you, not the other way around.
      Sorry, but your Nazi conservatism went out decades ago. Women can receive education, work in careers of their choosing, vote, run for political office,start businesses and achieve in any number of field without worrying about whether they are ‘complementing’ your conception of the natural order.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:06am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Ping – Godwinning again?
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:16am
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s not a Godwin when EAD is an actual Nazi.
        Godwin only refers to way-out hyperbole like “that’s just like the Nazis” when were are discussing road policing, or similar.
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:29am
      - cmm
        
        Nazis were never conservative.
        
        The Nazis were socialists. It is right there in the name:
        Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
        
        Nationalist Socialist German Workers’ Party.
        
        They even built “modern worker cities” like Wolfsburg (where VW comes from).
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:33am
      - mikenmild
        
        Sigh.
        Why did they lock up all the socialists?
        Hitler, and his fellow Nazis, hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy it.
        But it’s a bit of a trap to see Nazism in a purely left-right perspective. The overwhelming Nazi motive was a racial one.
        If you don’t believe me, ask our resident Nazi, EAD, if he is a socialist?
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Where did Hitler and the German Nazis get their ideas?
        
        Hitler in 1924 wrote that the eugenic laws being enacted in the USA were a model for his idealised Germany.
        
        We have previously shown how the British socialists (Fabians) were donkey-deep in racist crap. The Yanks were too…. but they weren’t socialists.
        
        http://distributistreview.com/eugenics-the-war-of-capitalism-and-socialism-against-humanity/
        
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        November 13, 2016 11:09am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mikenmild, so why did the Bolsheviks wipe out the Mensheviks, and all the other left wing groups in Russia ?
        
        Same reason the nazi’s eliminated the socialists and communists, inter-necine fights are the most vicious and deadly. Hitler hated the competition.
        
        He didn’t attack with anything like the same ferocity the old German nationalist parties, they were rather allowed to quietly wither away.
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:06pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I won’t refute what cmm said cause I can’t speak for other women. Some would agree with him but many wouldn’t.
        
        One thing is certain, women enjoy much more freedom to make up their own mind what is right for them. Back then there was ONLY ONE WAY TO DO SOMETHING, AND GOD FORBID IF YOU DIDN’T DO AS WAS EXPECTED. Some women were very good at bullying those who didn’t tow the line.
        
        Thank goodness we live in more enlighted, relaxed times, however women choose to spend their life.
        
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        November 13, 2016 1:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        EAD did not say that the women in his life “have” to complement him.
        
        For all we know, the women in EAD’s life may consider that he complements them.
        
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        November 13, 2016 4:14pm
    - Kimbo
      
      This is just another example as to why women are too ruled by their emotions to be entrusted with high office.
      
      I have two words:
      
      Margaret…Thatcher
      
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      November 13, 2016 11:09am
    - Gabby
      
      If only there were more women in your life, far, far more.
      Bit hard on them but.
      
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      November 13, 2016 1:52pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Oh my, I do declare I’m sooo overcome!
    
    While not a Hilary supporter, get over yourself!
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:04pm
kowtow

Gender equality snow clearing !

“Stockholm’s municipal government, a coalition of the Social Democrats and the Green Party, brought in gender equal snow cleaning last year, pledging to make moving around the city on icy winter days just as safe for women as it is for men.”

Apart from that I thought the scientists told us these types of winters were a thing of the past.

Just like Trump is about to drown the Pacific.

http://www.thelocal.se/20161112/stockholm-transport-heads-defends-gender-equal-snow-clearing
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November 13, 2016 8:17am
NK

I see Trump has lied about repealing Obamacare. He wants to jeep signifcant parts of it.

As I said frequently, he’s a blowhard.
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November 13, 2016 8:18am
- All_on_Red
  
  What ‘significant’ parts are those?
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:20am
  - G152
    
    evidently the ‘jeep’
    
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    November 13, 2016 8:53am
- kowtow
  
  Remains to be seen how much he actually intends to implement. If he doesn’t and proves he is the clown they claim him to be the disillusionment will be huge and the consequences potentially very dangerous.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:49am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I am looking ford to Trumps policy announcements me
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’ll be a triumph
    
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    November 13, 2016 8:59am
- lilman
  
  lol,you lost pal,suck it.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:11am
- Nookin
  
  Trump did not say he would do away with the concept. He said he would replace it with something better. The fact that you automatically assume that Obamacare has not one redeeming feature worth retaining is more of an indictment on your perception of Obamacare and has nothing to do with Trump. Comments and a mentality such as yours got Trump elected in the first place. You must be so proud.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:50am
- Paulus
  
  He is not President yet – he is cleverly being conciliatory.
  
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  November 13, 2016 10:26am
- Ross12
  
  A bit like your idol Clinton. Said she’d help with a easy, effective transition ( because that is the way the USA does it , or words to that effect). Then she goes off and starts work with her mate Soros on the “American Purple Revolution” which includes having street protests/ riots
  
  “http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/11/clintons-and-soros-launch-america-purple-revolution.html”
  
  Do you note the silence from her ( and Obama) about the protests –if they were sincere about the transition, they might come out trying to stop them.
  
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  November 13, 2016 11:19am
  - Kimbo
    
    Why? How does exercising the American Constitutional right to lawful protest guaranteed in the first amendment stop a smooth and legal transition? Sounds like the sort of crypto-facism that SJW’s use when they label alternative opinions as “hate-speech”.
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:34pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Lawful protest is not an issue in any free country, including the USA.
      
      What’s disappointing, however, are undignified demonstrations by ‘sore losers’ protesting at the result of a democratic election.
      
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      November 13, 2016 3:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        How is something entirely (adverb alert!) predictable…disappointing? 😉
        
        http://www.dictionary.com/browse/disappoint
        
        verb (used with object)
        1.
        to fail to fulfill the expectations or wishes of
        
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        November 13, 2016 4:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and just like Trump’s election, protests against his impending Presidency are manifestations that American democracy is alive and well.
        
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        November 13, 2016 4:04pm
- Liberty
  
  The reversal of Obamacare will be just one of many of Trumps rants that will come to nothing.
  Just like our Winston . The man is a charlatan. He should enjoy his days in the sun . As they are not going to last.
  
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  November 13, 2016 11:20am
  - holysheet
    
    You are giving Winstone first far to much credit. Our drunken dwarf has never won anything like Trump has just done. Despite all the vitriol from the killary supporters in the MSM and elsewhere, Trump has just shown us how to win over such overwhelming opposition.
    
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    November 13, 2016 11:38am
Komata

i would suggest that for those of us used to the ‘British’ way of electing our leaders, the US Presidential ‘circus’ has been something of a revelation. aside from the media snarkiness, what I have personally found most remarkable is that companies (as exemplified by the CEO mentioned by Different Perspective) seem to believe they can dismiss employees for holding different political viewpoints from their own; this in a nation which champions ‘free speech’ to the rest of the world. On the basis that a very large number of employees seem to have been summarily fired for being Trump supporters, and that as a result, ‘unjustified dismissal’ cases are now going to come before the courts, can one of the membership please clarify the situation in such circumstances. In the US, does being fired ONLY on the basis of political views constitute ‘unjustified dismissal’ and, if it does, what is the usual outcome: reinstatement? reimbursement ? Or…?

Thank you.
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November 13, 2016 8:24am
- mikenmild
  
  I believe that many employment contracts in the US are ‘fire at will’ – dismissal is allowed for any reason.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    It varies from state to state. Each have different employment laws.
    
    In many states it is particularly hard to fire anyone except straight white males.
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:09am
    - itstricky
      
      cmm – ‘women shouldn’t be doctors’
      cmm – ‘women would prefer it to be the 50s’
      
      cmm – ‘women, gays and blacks have different laws’
      
      Yeah, I’m beginning to form a bit of an idea of where you’re coming from…
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:00am
NK

Keeping the prohibition on refusing over for pre-existing conditions is significant. It will ensure premiums are kept very high.
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November 13, 2016 8:27am
- All_on_Red
  
  I was unaware they had announced the detail. I know the GOP had formulated some changes but the Trump team were still working on it.Do you have a link for this?
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    Here ,
    
    “Trump: Obamacare key provisions to remain”
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37953528
    
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    November 13, 2016 8:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Do try to catch up creepy one. Ive quoted from that link below. There are only two parts.
      And Trump did not say “Key provisions to remain” lying again about what people say huh.
      What a loser lol
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:13am
    - Milhous
      
      Also,
      How is that drain the swamp thingy going.
      
      Looks like he’s appointing a long list of political and republican insiders! You know, Gingrich, Sessions, Pence…..
      
      A bit worried too about the overt political nepotism at play, appointing your family to government positions whilst they run your business!!! And you guys called Hilary crooked!
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:15am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well, he can’t not appoint Pence, he was elected with him on the slate. Gingrich an insider, not for the past 10-12 years, he’s a distinct outsider at the moment.
        
        Actually, even just a change of party is worthwhile at times, the corruption levels have to restart each change.
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:10pm
    - Fletch
      
      The mainstream media are reporting that President-elect Donald Trump is giving up on his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, because he said he would be willing to preserve coverage for pre-existing conditions and allowing children to stay on their parents’ health insurance until age 26.
      “I like those very much,” Trump told the Wall Street Journal in an interview, following his meeting Thursday with President Barack Obama.
      
      He’s not alone: those are some of the only parts of the law that are popular, and many Republicans have long since promised to preserve coverage for those with pre-existing conditions even after Obamacare is repealed.
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/11/obmacare-obama-no-donald-trump-not-abandon-promise-repeal-obamacare/
      
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      November 13, 2016 12:41pm
wiseowl

Chapman excelled himself on Red Radio this morning.
Calling Trumpy a waycist and getting a guest to suit.

Trotted out a Mexican who used all the right adjectives including ‘white supremicist’
Never told us why this Mexican was in New Zealand,what he was doing and what qualified him to spew forth over the new POTUS elect.

Shocking.
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November 13, 2016 8:29am
- Huevon
  
  I agree. Radio NZ has gone full retard in recent days. Why the National party continues to support blatant left wing propaganda being produced from public money is beyond me.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:53am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    What gets my knickers in a tight bunch is that we continue to pay for the leftist crap through our taxes!
    
    Time for NZ to drain our own swamp and sell public radio and tv
    
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    November 13, 2016 8:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    Huevon , who do you tune into as a matter of interest ?
    
    Infowars ?
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:01am
    - Huevon
      
      Jeez stephie boy, you have almost 15,000 posts on this site. Think of all the time you’ve wasted on kiwi blog that you could’ve spent creeping on young Muslim girls at the mall.
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    Huevon , so what practical action do you propose other than continue to sit on your butt and bang away on the keyboards ?
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:05am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes Red Radio gets thirty two million dollars yearly,to spout out total sicko propaganda favouring total losers themselves leading the charge. They would not be out of place in North Korea. One reason why they get away with it. There is a guy,from a schitzo party in the electorate of OHARIU,his confidence and supply agreement,with National Party is hands off Red Radio. Touch it and all agreements are off .
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:00am
  - Jack5
    
    National had a chance to steer Radio NZ towards the centre this year. However, it reappointed Radio NZ’s chairman and another board member. If you watch what is done rather than what is said, that suggests National is happy with Radio NZ’s political stance.
    
    National also added to the board a person with Maori interests. That indicates a second trend at Radio NZ. It has come to an agreement with Maori broadcasting. The result is more Maori content on Radio NZ.
    
    Taxpayers already support Maori broadcasting, so the Maorification of Radio NZ is an additional step.
    
    Is there a Maorification agenda? I would consider Treaty Minister Finlayson and the greatly magnified political power of the 2 per cent Maori Party as evidence there is a Maorification agenda.
    
    It’s evident in the pressure for race-based local body electoral systems, on moves to change place names from English to Maori, and on the silent movement in State education which has seen teaching of Maori language in primary schools become de facto compulsory.
    
    We each can decide whether this is right or wrong. Fair enough. However, the fact that Maorification is being done more or less by stealth seems to be unquestionably wrong.
    
    It’s like the vast ethnic change NZ has been undergoing – without public political debate or voting. Yet this is perhaps the country’s biggest change since the Treaty of Waitangi.
    
    There are points for and against it. The sticking point is that politicians, MSM, the “elite” as a whole if you wish, have got away with imposing this without having to sell it to the country’s people.
    
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    November 13, 2016 11:31am
    - mikenmild
      
      I think you will find that many changes, whether you personally agree with them or not, occur because they are consensus policies of the two main political parties.
      Therefore, we will continue to see one of the OECD’s biggest immigration programmes, increased respect for Maori culture and values, prohibition on cannabis etc, and a host of other things that may or may not be good policies, simply because they are the policies endorsed by the parties which represent 70% or more of the voting population.
      
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      November 13, 2016 11:54am
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, can you show me please where there these policies are spelled out by the parties?
        
        For example, have National (or Labour) spelled out as policy that there should be universal teaching of Maori in primary schools?
        
        For example, have National (or Labour) spelled out as policy that the ethnic composition of New Zealand should be changed by immigration?
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:05pm
      - mikenmild
        
        No, there is no policy, as there is no universal teaching of Maori in schools.
        I’m too lazy to bother, but you can Google the curriculum yourself to check the extent to which the dangerous practice of teaching an appreciation of te reo has been mandated by state power.
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:19pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Another point occurs to me: it would be a bit remarkable if party policies needed to spell out things upon which there is such wide agreement: such as the socialisation of health and education, or that we should have a defence force. I think we might confidently expect parties to run on the extent to which they expect voters to perceive them as different from their opponents.
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, re your 12.19 post ….
        
        You apparently don’t have children or grandchildren at primary school. Maori language is being taught almost universally at NZ primary schools.
        
        Not at anywhere the same level as English, which is understandable given the facilities available in the world’s main international language. But Maori language is being taught at virtually all primary schools.
        
        Re your 12.21 post …
        
        Yes many things are taken for granted – the need for police and a defence force. However, the greatest ethnic change to NZ society since 1840 is being implemented without having been sold to New Zealanders by the main political parties.
        
        You say because it’s common ground. I say it’s because they’re too scared and too cunning to put it before voters as policy.
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:23pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s the same thing. Just because I’m sceptical that we need to import tens of thousands each year because of an alleged skills shortage doesn’t mean that I can’t recognise that such immigration is a core policy for both National and Labour, not least because it reduces the pressure on them to come up with actual policies to address low productivity and low per capita economic growth.
        In practice, political parties don’t really need to take a stand on thing that they already agree on, and on which there is no real groundswell to change.
        It just wouldn’t look very good for John Key, for example, to stand up in 2008 and say “look, Labour have most policies right, so we’re not going to change much, but we’ll just do a better job of it”. It’s the same reason local body candidates never have any actual policy differences – they merely find new ways to express the same platitudes. Anyone running for any actual change is automatically marginalised.
        
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        November 13, 2016 12:34pm
  - Gabby
    
    Cos they have privately owned outlets for their propaganda.
    
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    November 13, 2016 12:03pm
- RF
  
  I understand red radio and other NZ stations gets the majority of their news from the backers of CNN etc. all bloody lefties.
  
  Oh for a breath of fresh air.
  
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  November 13, 2016 4:58pm
flipper

NK……….
Take CLOSE look at what he (actually, not MSM) said during the campaign. You will find that, like the MSM, you are delusional. Repeal and replace does not mean what you say. The shell may remain (as he said it would), but the guts will be down the drain where it needs to be.
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November 13, 2016 8:31am
NK

Here’s one: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37953528
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November 13, 2016 8:34am
NK

So when he’s says “it’s different” now that he’s elected (they’re in speech marks so a direct quote) that means he hadn’t changed his mind?
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November 13, 2016 8:37am
- ross411
  
  You’re getting desperate. Why don’t you wait until you have something of substance, before making a show of peacocking about it.
  
  You should use the reply button to the post you want to reply to, rather than spamming the separate posts.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:41am
  - NK
    
    Thanks for the advice. But I can write what I want, when I want. And in any format I like. You must be a Hillary Clinton supporter who despises democracy.
    
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    November 13, 2016 8:44am
    - itstricky
      
      But, she’s not the devil incarnate now:
      
      Trump describes Clinton as “very strong” and “very smart”.
      
      Ahoy me mateys! Hard astern!
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:34am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        But this is the game – say whatever it takes to get elected then build bridges.
        
        The Left is up in arms not because of the dishonesty – it’s because for the first time the Right came hard at the Left using traditional Left (Alinsky) tactics.
        
        And they won – because as is usual with the Right, they do things better than the Left.
        
        What’s going to butthurt even more is that when Trump gets in – he’s going to Executive Order everything on his to-do list. And the Dems are going to be up in arms about this (funny how they
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:31am
NK

I did check, flipper. Trump’s campaign website promises a complete repeal of Obamacare.
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November 13, 2016 8:40am
- All_on_Red
  
  Actually the Website talks about both Repeal and reform by modifying it. I think you are being too literal. It will get repealed, reformed( modified) and then replaced. To me replaced means new legislation.
  “Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
  Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, etc”
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:56am
Monique Watson

And so the finger-pointing starts. Clinton blames Comey for her loss. Because if you do something illegal it helps to have a fall guy to shoulder the blame forthe consequences from your criminal behavior and political ineptitude.
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November 13, 2016 8:46am
- cmm
  
  I see those emntitlement forces are also alive and well here too.
  
  That darling fraudster who thought she was entitled to ripping people off, then when she develops cancer feels she’s entitled to be let out of prison,,, then whines that the system was being tough on her.
  
  Exactly the same sort of mentality, just the number of zeros on the end of the number are different.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:13am
- Harriet
  
  “….Clinton blames Comey for her loss….”
  
  LOL Monique……..Hillary is misspeaking to you again. 😎
  
  Everything that is now being done, is being done for the planned ascension of Che Clinton in 2020.
  
  As everyone else is too old. And Che has always been….oh so perfect.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She is trying to build a media case against the prosecution that is likely coming for her – (suggests requests for a pardon from Obama havn’t been successful), that it is somehow political rather than being because she did something criminal.
  
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  November 13, 2016 2:50pm
Viking2

n wake of Donald Trump winning the election in a landslide, thousands of whiny, entitled liberals are flooding the streets with their violence and tears because they just cannot deal with a President that has said mean things.

Your burning and disrespect of the flag is why Trump won, kids #TrumpProtestors

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) November 10, 2016

These ungrateful, entitled crybabies are burning the American flag, which is something that should never be tolerated.

In September of 2015, Donald Trump was asked about his stance on the legality of burning our flag.

“Personally, I don’t think it should be legal,” the Republican presidential front-runner told the Daily Caller last year. Yet, now we have more examples than we need of this treason.

Notice Hillary supporters burning the American flag. Trump supporters don’t burn American flags. Vote Trump! pic.twitter.com/IdzCghzia1

— Caesar Ramirez (@caesar_ramirez) June 4, 2016

Or this act of treason…

Students burn American flags at AU in protest of Donald Trump’s presidential win. Video courtesy of Meh. https://t.co/u4y2xX2sxe #fox5dc pic.twitter.com/nkFUnY2pk8

— FOX 5 DC (@fox5dc) November 9, 2016

The United States Supreme Court has ruled that flag burning is constitutionally protected freedom of speech. Now that Donald Trump will be appointing several Conservative Judges to serve on the Court, we can expect that ruling to change in the coming year or so.

And so it should. Just like burning the NZ flag when you are an NZ citizen and are the proud consumer of taxpayers money you should be charged and re indoctrinated or shipped to Naru.

https://conservativedailypost.com/trumps-first-order-anyone-burning-an-american-flag-to-be-charged-with-treason/
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November 13, 2016 8:47am
- mikenmild
  
  I doubt that particular Supreme Court will be overturned, even Justice Scalia agreed it was a form of free speech.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:56am
- Gabby
  
  Cut out the Commie talk, Commie.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:56am
- NK
  
  A personal opinion isn’t policy. Even I will defend Trump on this.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:07am
- Kimbo
  
  Yeah, but burning your national flag should be a legal offense for no other reason that it is unoriginal and cliched as a Che Guevara t-shirt and beret (looking at you, Penny Bright!).
  
  Honestly, at least what the protestors of the 1960s did have was originality. Now? Some corporate making millions mass producing Guy Fawkes masks!
  
  We deserve a better standard of protestor, and punitive laws to encourage them! 😉
  
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  November 13, 2016 11:19am
Viking2

Liberals just cannot fathom why burning the American flag is bad. They cannot see beyond their own entitlement that millions of brave men and women have given their lives to fight for everything our flag represents.

The only bigots I see are the ones burning American flags, attacking Trump supporters, and destroying cities.

— Martin Walsh (@mrwalsh8) November 10, 2016

President Trump has indicated that he is more than willing to work with everyone in this great Nation so that we can all come together. If you still choose to incite violence, you will be charged with a crime and sent to jail.

If you are threatening to leave this country, go ahead and leave. We no longer have time to console people who got their feelings hurt or need a nap. We are about to make this country great again by getting people back to work. We are going to instill the idea of being tough and working hard to achieve your goals instead of holding your hand out as if you are entitled to something.

Yehaa.
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November 13, 2016 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  I can imagine a situation where someone burning say a “rainbow” flag would be universally condemned for “homophobic” hatred, but an American flag , well that’s OK cos hating ‘merica is cool.
  
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  November 13, 2016 8:53am
flipper

NK….Did you examine the speeches?

The framework will remain (to facilitate change) the internals will go (to implement change).
Ergo, “repeal and replace”.
So don’t be a silly nit picker.

And….
Disregard the MSM spin. That mob is desperate.
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November 13, 2016 8:54am
- mikenmild
  
  What part of ‘repeal’ do you think means ‘the framework will remain’?
  Truth, no one has any idea what Trump’s policies are, really. It seems to me that we are more likely to see the policy agenda led from Congress than anything else, apart from some symbolic ripping up of Obama’s executive orders.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:00am
  - All_on_Red
    
    There is quite a bit on his website. Lots of fluff too.
    Judging by what Paul Ryan has been saying ( major love fest I reckon!)I agree that Congress will lead. Trump was smart in appointing Sessions, Pence and Gingrich to his team as they will smooth the way. If you don’t have Congress going along with you then nothing will get done.
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  A tweet this morning talked about how Trumps detractors took him literally but not seriously whereas his supporters understood that he was serious but did not take him too literally.
  I think NK shows how detractors try to take him literally so they can beat him with a stick and then call him names.
  And yes , desperation is a stinky cologne.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Like your border wall ” metaphor ” which Trump will make the Mexicans pay ?
    
    Ha,ha, ha … “
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:07am
    - Inandout
      
      Stephie is still going through withdrawals.
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:09am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh look Stephie the loser has arrived. All set for another day telling lies are you?
      Creepy little man.
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:11am
      - mikenmild
        
        Still got that obsession with stephieboy going strong, I see.
        
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        November 13, 2016 9:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        More like he’s obsessed with me.He stalks me, he’s going to get it back.
        Still got your obsession with KB going I see.
        Don’t worry, you’ll soon be at 26,000 comments. What an achievement!
        
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        November 13, 2016 9:43am
      - Griff
        
        Yip poor old all On Red has the self awareness of a clod of earth .
        He has been stalking Stephie for months and yet is totally oblivious to the fact .
        
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        November 13, 2016 9:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Griff,
        Look above. My post is at 9.02 and Stephie chimes in at 9.07. He flies around the blog doing this.
        Its what he does, not only to me but to others also.
        Frankly if he ignored me I’d do the same.
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:03am
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, a proposal for a mutual ignorance plan.
        Get over it. It’s comments on a blog.
        “He started it”
        “No, he started it”
        People say all sorts of ludicrous shit – don’t get too precious about it. You know you are taking it too seriously when you start on the “I know who you are” track.
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:10am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Get over it yourself. I don’t see why I should take shit from some idiot . You don’t. I note you seem to like stalking EAD and call him a Nazi scumbag all the time.
        You don’t seem to think that what he says is just ‘comments on a blog’.
        Or is it different when you do it?
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:20am
      - mikenmild
        
        But that’s because EAD is a Nazi scumbag, and I find it irresistible to taunt him on a blog run by a Jew…
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:27am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Can’t say I disagree with you about what he says!
        See….
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:31am
      - stigie
        
        Now now girls, we are starting to see handbags at 20 paces !~
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:32am
    - lilman
      
      drone!!!!!!!!!!!!
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:20am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Nah, Mikey is alright. Besides Starboard tells me Mikeys mums handbag is yuge.
      Has to be to keep all Starboards gay porn in. I wouldn’t want to be hit with that.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:36am
      - stigie
        
        Twink porn can hurt real good AoR..?
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:50am
      - starboard
        
        It really is yuuuuuge !..and its not my gay porn. Hey, mm’s the one with the rubber bum and oil pack.
        
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        November 13, 2016 1:16pm
  - NK
    
    So when he said, repeatedly, he would repeal Obamacare, I was a fool for believing him in a literal sense?
    
    In other words, he was lying?
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:21am
    - All_on_Red
      
      err, he is going to repeal it. So what if he keeps a couple of bits of it and replaces the rest. Heck next you will be saying that by continuing to offer a healthcare system to people that he hasn’t really repealed it at all!
      That’s how ridiculous your rigid point of view looks.
      lol
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , I take it you believe that those poor whites and blue-collar workers ( many out of work ) who deserted the Democrats and voted for Trump don’t deserve affordable healthcare ?
        
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        November 13, 2016 11:39am
      - All_on_Red
        
        And my little stalker appears.
        By inferring I don’t care about poor whites and collar workers you make a nasty smear about my character.
        You really are a nasty little ****
        Oh and the All on Wed is a bit pathetic isn’t it.
        
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        November 13, 2016 3:28pm
Viking2

I hope Donald Trump doesn’t deport my illegal mother in law that works in Roberts Pet Shop monday thru friday on 248 st. and S Dixie Hwy, Homestead Fl. Let us pray….
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November 13, 2016 8:58am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Your mother in law is an illegal worker in the States or you are not married to her daughter, which is it?
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:05am
- holysheet
  
  If she is a muslim or mexican then I would be very worried, otherwise you are safe.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Some a Mexican muslim should be packing about now . . .
    
    Will she get a pass if she says she is a closet gay or has some sort of impediment greater than a lisp?
    
    Will it help if she confesses to being one of Bill’s conquests or murri even ?
    
    The possibilities are endless . . . .
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:50am
  - lilman
    
    Crap,if she is illegal then she goes,if legal she has nothing to worry about.
    
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    November 13, 2016 5:25pm
Inandout

Waikato University is advertising for a ‘Deputy Vice-Chancellor Maori’.
A senior executive position for advancing the university’s commitments to Maori distinctiveness, and also for supporting the university in building its Maori staff.
In many countries this would be termed ‘apartheid’, but we taxpayers (via John Key) support this separate development.
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November 13, 2016 9:07am
- cmm
  
  This is a huge negative for Maori at Waikato.
  
  When you see a Maori person with a degree from a place like this how can you tell if the person is competent and got their degree on merit, or whether it is a special Maori Degree?
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:17am
  - itstricky
    
    Here’s a simple one. You could take them on face value, and let their actions speak louder than your preconceptions. I mean, that is what you would do for any non-Maori person, right?
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:50am
    - starboard
      
      ” that is what you would do for any non-Maori person, right?
      
      You mean someone other than a maori who worked twice as hard to get into university and worked twice as hard to get their pass? Those who didn’t slime in on the coat tails of others ? Those who don’t have a free pass..like maori entering university?
      Why do maori have a free pass? Why are there certain courses that allow maori students in when they haven’t reached the average pass mark ?
      What if the boot was on the other foot and white boy got a free pass in but the maori had to work harder to pass?
      Smells to me Itsdrippy..and you would have to agree.
      
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      November 13, 2016 1:13pm
      - sam green
        
        ‘Cept that’s not quite how it is starboard is it? But it suits your narrative to keep pushing your victimhood. You poor thing.
        
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        November 13, 2016 5:08pm
      - starboard
        
        please explain ” how tis’ then wee man…oracle of all.
        Tell me with a straight face their are no targeted admission schemes available for maori and PI’s only heading into university.
        
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        November 13, 2016 5:26pm
      - starboard
        
        very quiet green sam..cat got your tongue?
        
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        November 13, 2016 7:19pm
      - itstricky
        
        You will have to be more specific, starboard.
        
        What free pass? Sure, there are scholarships but generally those are for students have shown the right abilities – i.e. probably a shit tonne smarter than you or I to start with. How much do those scholarships cover? Are they “free passes”?
        
        What courses that allow students that haven’t reached the average? This sounds like some particular news item that you should be able to refer to.
        
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        November 13, 2016 8:58pm
      - starboard
        
        Do some homework itsdrippy ,especially in the medical area. Its there. Come on in rangi, we got seats for you bro,
        
        “To apply for Special Admission, you must be 20 years old on or before the first day of the semester you apply for. You must have no formal university entrance qualification”
        
        “Māori and Pacific applicants may be eligible for admission through targeted admission schemes.”
        
        How embarrassing for you itsdrippy.
        
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        November 13, 2016 11:09pm
  - Viking2
    
    This sort of thing is the Nats. Achilles heal.
    Like America where many issues festered under the radar this is one of several here in NZ.
    
    Us middle class uneducated whitey’s are actually feed up with those educated toss pots the drive this divisive shit.
    
    Just as we get pissed off with paying tax in our businesses while the Maori Charitable Trusts don’t (adding of course the religious charitable trusts.)
    Just as we get pissed off with the diversity bullshit that passes for immigration policy whilst all the time weakening what our forebears did for NZ.
    
    Will we see us white middle class rise up.
    Well we note that Winston is gaining in the polls.
    
    We see Gareth getting support and we see Labour Lite moving to the left more everyday.
    
    We need our own Donald Trump.
    
    Found Q+A very interesting this morning. Chris Liddell was on to it and we should take notice.
    As he said Trump is a business man with no particular political leanings but one of we can do better, we can do deals and we are going to stand up for america and american people.
    Fran encapsulted the drive to created jobs in pointing out that the tax system will cahnge so that american corpn’s won’t find it profitable to offshore their sales depts in places like the Bahamma’s. A situation which affect us here big time.
    As he owes no favours to the googles and drug co’s, Facebooks etc he will sort this.
    
    Fun times ahead.
    Go watch Q=A The pathetic lefties are really crying in their beards. Luvely to see.
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:42am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Apple have a reportedly 200 billion in cash sitting in off shore bank accounts. They will not take it back to the USA until the tax is reduced. There are numerous other corporates in the same situation. Once the tax is reduced, you will see all this money back in the states, and will be used to do some of the things Trump has promised.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:58am
  - Komata
    
    Ouch!! And your thoughts on the current Maori ‘Academics’ who teach (and indoctrinate) at Waikato would be…???
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:54am
- mikenmild
  
  ‘Apartheid’ is an institutional system of legal privilege to support a racist minority government by denying political rights to a majority population.
  Despite most people being familiar with this term, it is still often used erroneously by fuckwits to describe anything that might be instituted to support the situation of our indigenous population.
  In simple terms, having a university administrative position dedicated to supporting Maori students does not oppress anyone else, so could not be termed ‘apartheid’ by anyone except a hysterical fool with no idea what actual Apartheid was.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:47am
  - itstricky
    
    You beat me to it. Well phrased.
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Take the words government and population from the definition and I would agree.
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:54am
    - mikenmild
      
      Even then you cannot squeeze the definition to make the dubious notion of Maori ‘privilege’ fit the concept of apartheid.
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:59am
  - Komata
    
    MM
    
    Re: ‘…with no idea what actual Apartheid was’.
    
    Since from your statement as quoted above, you do know ‘What actual Apartheid was’, please enlighten us as to when you lived in SA (or even Rhodesia / Zim) and when / how you came to NZ (A serious request BTW).
    
    Given other comments you have made over the years I wouldn’t have picked you for a Jaapie, but then again…
    
    Thanks.
    
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    November 13, 2016 11:00am
    - Kimbo
      
      Er, courtesy of the non-selection of Maori in the 1928, 1949 and 1960 All Blacks that toured South Africa and Rhodesia, and also the tour here by the 1981 Springboks, all New Zealand had a first-hand experience of Apartheid. Even when “concessions” were made, the official labelling of Maori and other Polynesians as “honourary whites” on the 1970 and 1976 All Black tours to the Republic reinforced the point.
      
      Which was always the problem…as long as South Africa engaged with the rest of the world, Apartheid, in one form or another, was exported with it.
      
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      November 13, 2016 11:30am
  - Inandout
    
    ‘Separate Development’ it is, and you can’t get around that one by splitting hairs. It would be similar to having a Vice Chancellor of gingas, vertically challenged, hearing impaired, visually challenged, or LGBT (latter mostly PC).
    
    If being a Maori is a disability or weakness then I could understand the special treatment.
    
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    November 13, 2016 11:01am
  - starboard
    
    mm’s cracking under the strain again. Cussing big time.
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Leftists like Mikenmild (“Milky”) are trying to redefine the word “apartheid” to protect race-based systems in the West.
    
    “Apartheid” is Afrikaans for “apartness”.
    
    Race-based electoral systems such as those that are being urged on NZ local bodies fit the definition of racial “apartness”, and thus of “apartheid”.
    
    It’s not about the size of the race that stands to benefit the most, but about the very fact that political and legal powers and property rights are being decided on a race basis.
    
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    November 13, 2016 2:56pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yeah..nah. The fact it is an Afrikaans word, and a specific policy ties it, in the first instance, to a particular time and place – the South Africa of Hendrik Verwoerd in the early-1960s, and it was a deliberate attempt to resist the “winds of change” in soon-to-be post-colonial Africa.
      
      Apartheid was was not just about a neutral and equal “apartness”, it was enforcing apartness so that it privileged the ruling elite race. Where Black development was allowed, it was on terms that were acceptable to White Afrikaaner South Africa – the very definition of paternalism, colonialism and, yes, hegemony.
      
      In contrast, Maori parliamentary seats (allegedly one form of local apartheid) were first implemented in New Zealand nearly 100 years before…during the time of on-going colonialisation As much as I loathe the answers of Marxist dialectics, it is not completely wrong on the matter of power imbalances. And in the case of mid-19th Century Maori, and mid-20th Century Afrikaaners, there was a world of difference.
      
      Personally, I think affirmative action is almost always counter-productive. But some are just a natural pragmatic outgrowth of the steps that have been taken to preserve the right of indigenous representation (and no, I can’t be bothered with the “are Maori really indigenous?!” argument – you know what I mean).
      
      Again, personally, I think Maori no longer need Maori seats, but yet again personally, it will do far more harm than good to remove them against the wishes of Maori. The right time for them to go is…when Maori decide.
      
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      November 13, 2016 3:11pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and to clarify the “pragmatic approach” further
        
        No to Brash’s supposed Hobson’s Pledge that Maori parliamentary seats should be abolished to satisfy his intellectual fussiness. They have been there 150 years, longer than we have been a fully-self-governing nation.
        
        But also…
        
        No to introducing Maori seats at a local board level.
        
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        November 13, 2016 3:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        Perhaps, Kimbo, abolition of Maori seats should have been made a requirement of any change to MMP.
        
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        November 13, 2016 4:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Don’t see you rationale.
        
        And as the 2011 referendum cemented MMP in place for at least another 30 or more years, that would mean Maori seats would also be here to stay for the foreseeable future.
        
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        November 13, 2016 4:09pm
      - sam green
        
        I don’t always agree with you Kimbo (on the above I do) but you are eloquent and learned.
        
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        November 13, 2016 5:17pm
All_on_Red

Hey, Stephie,
My wife was thinking of going to the park and then to a cafe.
Are you staying in today?
I’d like to think she was safe from someone leering at her breasts and then writing about them
Thanks
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November 13, 2016 9:19am
- itstricky
  
  You’ve opened yourself up for a giant Trumping quote there, buddy…
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:37am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Itstricky- I’m certainly not going to defend Trump on his stupid comments about women. Although he said those years ago and Stephie said those things recently…
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:40am
- All_on_Red
  
  Stephie, Stephie?
  Oh no, “Darling- best not go to St Luke’s or Keith Hay Park today!”
  Oh well, no doubt the creepy one will turn up later, do his usual drive by smearing on numerous comments and then flounce off. Wanker!
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:38am
  - mikenmild
    
    Seems to me like you want him to chat with you…
    Could you cope if he was away from Kiwiblog for a few days?
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:56am
    - GoVege
      
      Definitely sounds like AoR has a fixation on SB.
      Mrs AoR better stay home and keep an eye on him.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:13am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Actually I’d be happy if he never came back. I’d wager more than a few would agree with that too.
      You probably wouldn’t miss EAD either huh.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:44am
    - Viking2
      
      He was missing in action while he got over Trump’s election but unfortunately he took some happy pills and came right back.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:45am
  - stigie
    
    Stiffy wants to know if your wife has breasts first before he goes AoR..?
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:41am
    - Gabby
      
      Wife?
      
      Good one.
      
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      November 13, 2016 12:35pm
- holysheet
  
  That would depend on which member of the stupidboy clan you are talking to. They should still be in mourning at the death of their Lying Killary. Or have they cried enough crocodile tears, said their hail mary’s, in islam speak and gotten back here to abuse all and sundry.
  
  Oh and by the way WE WON, YOU LOST. SUCK IT UP LOSERS.
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    At the final whistle; Don 1 – Hillary 0
    
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    November 13, 2016 9:57am
  - GoVege
    
    That’s so immature holysheet. ..
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:07am
    - holysheet
      
      Why, all you anti-trump losers need reminding of the fact. Go suck a carrot, you will feel better.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:25am
  - jonar
    
    I don’t think you can claim to have won until you see what promises Trump actually fulfills.
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:09am
    - holysheet
      
      What about trump being the next president don’t you understand. He won. By default all his supporters also won.
      
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      November 13, 2016 10:26am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh, the GOP are in the Whitehouse, control the House of Representatives, the Senate and have GOP aligned Governors in most of the States.
        Now they will appoint over 1000 people to govern the Federal departments.
        What a bunch of losers!
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:30am
      - mikenmild
        
        How well did the GOP succeed in the GW Bush years when they had control of the Congress as well? Do you expect the next two years (maybe more) to be similarly successful?
        
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        November 13, 2016 10:45am
  - Gabby
    
    ARE YOU A YANKER?
    
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    November 13, 2016 12:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The pollster pundits can’t understand why their polling doesn’t work.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/86349251/voting-shame-why-dont-people-confess-their-political-leanings-to-pollsters
Some comments from DPF included

but this gem from a marketing guru takes the cake
“Polls are well-established, scientific in their method; we’re not disputing their credibility – yet they’re wrong. We’re no longer able to predict what will happen.”
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November 13, 2016 10:26am
- holysheet
  
  The trouble with polls is they rely on the truth being given when asking the questions. By default, they should be taken with a large chunk of salt.
  
  With such a divisive election just being conducted, all exit polls should have been viewed with suspicion. But the Pollsters always knew best. They are highly educated, don’t you know, and took all the answers as gospel. Little did they actually know they were being lied to by these voters, because they got the answers they were looking for.
  
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  November 13, 2016 10:38am
  - Viking2
    
    Nothing like talking to people in their own homes. Find that gives you a good feel for how they is thinking.
    
    Please see my comment further up about what’s in the undergound in NZ.
    
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    November 13, 2016 10:49am
waikatogirl

Yep, they just don’t get it there is a silent majority who will not indicate their voting preference in the knowledge there will at minimum be an air of disapproval.

We have kept quiet through the liberal experiment over the past 40 odd years, seeing our way of life changed, our expectations stretched to include strange and different cultures as the only way.

We can no longer build what we want on our own property, and all the other liberal changes we have been forced to absorb. Any sign of resentment or push-back is received with negativity and worse abuse.
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November 13, 2016 10:38am
- calendar girl
  
  Well said, waikatogirl. Perhaps you might add to ‘negativity’ and ‘abuse’ an air of superiority?
  
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  November 13, 2016 4:45pm
nasska

“You’re telling me that I’m losing my job just because Donald Trump won the election? Why, because I’m black?”

“Mister President, we’ve been over this……”
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November 13, 2016 10:40am
- mikenmild
  
  https://www.facebook.com/HollywoodShawtyzz/photos/a.431579600213396.91518.368863503151673/1229735763731105/?type=3&theater
  
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  November 13, 2016 10:54am
rightoverlabour

Since we are so passionate about politics, anything more about that prick in Mt Roskill? There seems to be some refuting of the facts. Some updates would be good, especially from people who were there if possible? Also, Really like the post election Trump that is being revealed. Even that crap Stuff website had a vaguely positive article on his 60 minutes interview… Love the despair of our Left though….
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November 13, 2016 10:42am
- Gabby
  
  The Prick Graham Collins or The Prick Ravinder Parmar?
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:27pm
Reid

The latest outrage from Trump
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November 13, 2016 11:21am
- Gabby
  
  On the Lord’s day, Reid? Begone, back to the utter darkness with you.
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:29pm
flipper

There was a time when the “Times” and the “Herald” ‘s of this world could be believed.

But can the Times (et al) be re-born as truthful papers of record??????? Or did the POTUS 2016 contest complete (well almost) their death spiral?

Sulzberger promises reform. But the cancer is likely near its fatal grip.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/12/new-york-times-publisher-vows-to-rededicate-itself-to-reporting-honestly.html
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November 13, 2016 11:22am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  ((((((((New York Times))))))))
  
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  November 13, 2016 11:37am
  - Gabby
    
    ((((((((((((((((Jizzy Mitts))))))))))))))))
    
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    November 13, 2016 12:30pm
Viking2

A Maori leader who ploughed millions of iwi money into a failing Tongan forestry company used another trust’s credit card while in Tonga, running up bills at a top restaurant and a “ladies and gentlemen club”.

Roger Pikia, an advisor to Maori King Tuheitia, is at the centre of investigations into the finances of two wealthy Te Arawa iwi trusts which he chairs.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86037540/iwi-trust-chairman-roger-pikia-under-investigation-over-credit-card-spending-and-investments
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November 13, 2016 11:40am
- starboard
  
  Dont question the brown mafia..nothing to see here, move on.. move on
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:59pm
Kimbo

The fight-back against Trump begins…with Katy Perry! 😉

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katy-perry-backs-out-china-9236270
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November 13, 2016 11:41am
Viking2

In the wake of Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 election, suicide hotlines reported a record-breaking number of calls. The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline reported 660 calls between 1 and 2 am on the night of the election, more than two and a half times the number of calls than they receive on average. According to director John Draper:

http://www.playbuzz.com/scarletwitch10/suicide-hotlines-have-received-a-record-breaking-number-of-calls-in-the-wake-of-the-election?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=page-posts&utm_campaign=suicide-hotlines-have-received-a-record-breaking-number-of-calls-in-the-wake-of-the-election
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November 13, 2016 11:43am
- Jack5
  
  If you watch too much of NZ TV’s Jack Tame, you might soon join the throng on the way to the cliff.
  
  Tame’s conclusion from his taxpayer-funded traipsing around America covering the election: “Trump’s victory legitimises bigotry.”
  
  On return for taxpayer spending, the mark for this trite conclusion has to be minus 10.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11746272
  
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  November 13, 2016 11:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Last night the hubby rushed in to watch the 6pm news on TV expecting to see a lead item about the flash flooding and slips in Wellington.
    
    He nearly had a coronary when he saw Tame installed in front of some NY hotel reporting on nothing happening.
    
    I had to gently remind him that it was Saturday and no-one was at work in TV land.
    
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    November 13, 2016 12:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh gracious….
      lead item TV one Sunday 6pm news….
      
      Jack Tame is still outside that NY hotel.
      
      Could someone please send the taxi for him?
      
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      November 13, 2016 6:05pm
stephieboy

I have just come back from a wonderful service at St Alban’s Anglican Church that featured Remembrance Sunday to commemorate Armistice day last Friday .

The sermon focused on a NZ soldier ‘s letter to his Padre just prior to Tobruk and its spiritual significance as many gathered for devotions on parade just prior to the battle .

Eighteen soldiers from the parish who fell in battle were also honoured and remembered that included two brothers from one family . A fitting and moving tribute .

These tow verse were also read .

Fort he Fallen

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

John Binyon
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November 13, 2016 11:57am
- Jack5
  
  Yep, the “Stephieboy” contributions are from members of a small group, or team. The varying standards of English grammar and style are evidence of this.
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:00pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Are religious affiliations different as well?
    
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    November 13, 2016 5:38pm
G152

There’s a naval ship from a nuclear power in Auckland currently and no sign of protestors.
Is it because it’s one of theirs ???
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November 13, 2016 12:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Previously, we’ve had thousands, many waving red flags, turn out to welcome warships to Auckland from the People’s Republic of China.
  
  The same Auckland that gave a hostile reception to vessels from the U.S. Navy, which saved New Zealand in World War 2.
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Anti-Americanism is a mental illness in New Zealand. There are none so mental as those who cannot appreciate the country that saved our way of life.
    
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    November 13, 2016 12:34pm
    - starboard
      
      Exactly Captain, short term memory those scum who protest against America. Rather Uncle Sam on our side than against. Id like to throw dirt like Minto into a room full of marines and see how long his big fat mouth lasts.
      
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      November 13, 2016 12:56pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The government announced an exclusion zone around the visiting navy ships. There is no way protestors would be allowed to get within coo-ee.
    
    Or perhaps they are still distracted with Trump and haven’t noticed the ship is here!
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:46pm
- Komata
  
  G152
  
  Thank you. In point of fact, on 20 November there will be TWO ‘…Naval ship[s] from a nuclear power in Auckland’. one from Communist China, and one from the USA.
  
  The vessels will be : CNS Yang Cheng (China), and USS Sampson (US).
  
  Any ideas as to which of these two will be studiously ignored?
  
  BTW: Despite being the originators of the Royal New Zealand Navy, I note that HM Government have chosen not to participate in the RNZN’s 75th Anniversary celebrations.
  
  How the mighty hath fallen…
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:46pm
  - Jack5
    
    Britain has let its Navy run down, Komata, and what’s left is pretty busy at the moment with the Russians steaming down the English channel, and gate-crashing economic migrants landing on beaches.
    
    Taking part in the celebrations would occupy a British warship for a couple of months.
    
    Britain probably can’t spare one at present.
    
    But I don’t think any of our allies have been impressed by Aucklanders’ hostility to the US Navy.
    
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    November 13, 2016 11:07pm
- Gabby
  
  Ask Ponyboy.
  
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  November 13, 2016 1:07pm
Manolo

A diva complains, sobs, and whines.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/depressed-niro-backs-anti-trump-protests-102715725.html

Robert De Niro gave anti-Donald Trump protesters across the United States his backing Friday as he spoke about how “depressed” the tycoon’s win in the presidential election had made him.
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November 13, 2016 12:43pm
- Gabby
  
  Trumpie only accepted the result because he won, so quit whining, ‘Snoflake’.
  
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  November 13, 2016 12:55pm
Manolo

Some Eurocrats are very nervous, old piss-head Junker among them.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-must-learn-europe-says-eus-juncker-020834755.html
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November 13, 2016 12:47pm
- holysheet
  
  Juncker said that Trump had called NATO into question, which could have “harmful consequences” because it is the model of Europe’s defence.
  
  And who pays for most of Europe’s defence?
  Not Europe.
  I would be very careful what I said if I was Europe.
  “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”, come to mind.
  
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  November 13, 2016 1:42pm
Komata

Manolo: he whines, he cries, he gets publicity, as do all the others of similar ilk. When pressed however to ‘put hias money where his mouth is’ and actually leave, he will suddenly cry that ‘it was all in Jest’.

With that in mind the following might be of interest:

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=48609&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=popular
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November 13, 2016 12:52pm
Komata

Manolo

This might be of interest:

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=48609&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=popular
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November 13, 2016 12:53pm
Komata

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=48609&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=popular
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November 13, 2016 12:54pm
Fletch

Sorry Hillary, the big dog beat you to it….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCBS74NhO9A
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November 13, 2016 12:56pm
Komata

Manolo

This might be a reason why De Niro et al won’t even go and will say ‘I was only joking’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GbchHqC5TE
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November 13, 2016 12:58pm
Morrissey

The Guardian provokes Larry “Lackwit” Williams into
a paroxysm of spittle-flecked denunciation and rage.
Larry Williams Drive, Friday 11 November 2016, 4:20 p.m.

We’ve already had a look at the atmosphere of barely restrained jubilation at NewstalkZB on the afternoon that neo-fascism looked more and more certain to gain the levers of power in the United States. [1]

A couple of days later, I stumbled on this pig’s breakfast of a station again, this time just as host Larry “Lackwit” Williams brought all of his considerable learning and wit to bear on a subject that obviously exercised his agile and high class mind to a great degree—liberals that don’t appreciate the Dear Leader in Washington….

LARRY “LACKWIT” WILLIAMS: I have here a LETTER, a LETTER from the PUBLISHER of The Guardian written to subscribers, dealing with the “problem” of a Donald Trump presidency. ….[long pause for effect, like he does when reading out the names of Māori defendants in criminal cases]…. “Hello”, it begins….

Williams proceeds to read out the letter, in a sarcastic sing-song voice, every now and again interjecting an angry critique in his normal baritone growl….

LARRY “LACKWIT” WILLIAMS: Ha! You’d have to be an IDIOT! …. See, they’ve lost TOUCH with the ordinary person! ….. This is why nobody watches, or READS, this paper! …. They should be carted away and certified! …. [barely articulate spluttering and snarling continues…]

A short time later the intellectual tone continues on the same exalted plane, when the All Blacks’ “mental skills coach” describes Armistice Day, memorably, as a “momentous moment in history” [2]….

Point to Ponder: NewstalkZB slogans have included: “Fair and Balanced”, “You’re Up To Date”, and perhaps the most hilarious of all, “Tune Your Mind”.

[1] https://thestandard.org.nz/us-election-day-discussion-post-91116/#comment-1257997

[2] https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12112016/#comment-1259778
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November 13, 2016 1:17pm
Salacious Crumb

Well to be fair the Guardian is what the NZ Herald wants to be when it grows up. I’m not surprised Larry had a rant given some of the abject drivel that masquerades as intelligent commentary on that news site and I don’t see you going off about Radio NZ with their well known predilections.
Best not to let these things wind you up Morrisey; as we’ve seen this week, the MSM is a dying, every increasingly irrelevant entity.
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November 13, 2016 1:30pm
- Morrissey
  
  There’s much I agree with in your comments, my friend. But surely you were as staggered as I and presumably every other listener with an IQ above room temperature was, to hear Larry Williams—of all people—critiquing anything, leave alone a newspaper which clearly, despite all its many faults, caters for the intelligent (if not discerning) reader.
  
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  November 13, 2016 1:37pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …But surely you were as staggered as I and presumably every other listener…to hear Larry Williams…critiquing…a newspaper which clearly…caters for the intelligent
    
    Still addicted to those unwarranted and assumption-laden adverbs that function as rhetorical shills to sell a dubious idea, I see 😉
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:42pm
    - Gabby
      
      It’s not a crimb you know.
      
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      November 13, 2016 1:47pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Kimbo, your style tips are the greatest! I do appreciate them. Just for you, buddy…..
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZpZQG2z10&list=RDHaZpZQG2z10
      
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      November 13, 2016 1:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Just as I treasure your long-winded James Bond-villain faux bonhomie.
        
        Just shoot him now!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAMYHJYesM
        
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        November 13, 2016 1:53pm
pentwig

Take your stranded #1 and ram it up daffies backside.
Take your stranded #2 and ram it up your own.
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November 13, 2016 1:31pm
- Morrissey
  
  Been banned, have we?
  
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  November 13, 2016 1:38pm
  - pentwig
    
    Nah course not. I would be but I know better.
    Lprent the tosser and mickey mouse the loser aren’t as liberal as DPF on KB. DPF allows freedom of speech and opposing views.
    Not so on the stranded, oppose anything and they throw a hissy fit and start banning people.
    Just biased fuckwits go there to get brainwashed.
    Look at you!
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:59pm
    - Morrissey
      
      DPF allows freedom of speech and opposing views.
      
      True! We all love Mr Farrar.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1AYKRjoFxs
      
      Just biased fuckwits go there to get brainwashed.
      Look at you!
      
      Ouch. Now that hurt.
      
      Actually, I’ve been banned four times from The Standard, for periods ranging from a week to two months. I’m a good boy at the moment though.
      
      As for Whaleoil, I’ve been banned from there for life.
      
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      November 13, 2016 2:04pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Only total pussies can endure and survive the Whaleoil circle-wank. Why anyone bothers is beyond me (never even bothered signing up myself)
        
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        November 13, 2016 3:05pm
      - pentwig
        
        Fair call Buddy.
        Cheers.
        
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        November 13, 2016 7:19pm
    - sam green
      
      You obviously go there.
      
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      November 14, 2016 12:21am
Morrissey

THE ASSASSINATION COMPLEX
by Jeremy Scahill, The Intercept, Oct. 10, 2015
The Drone Papers (Article No. 1 of 8)

From his first days as commander in chief, the drone has been President Barack Obama’s weapon of choice, used by the military and the CIA to hunt down and kill the people his administration has deemed — through secretive processes, without indictment or trial — worthy of execution. There has been intense focus on the technology of remote killing, but that often serves as a surrogate for what should be a broader examination of the state’s power over life and death.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

DRONES ARE A TOOL, not a policy. The policy is assassination. While every president since Gerald Ford has upheld an executive order banning assassinations by U.S. personnel, Congress has avoided legislating the issue or even defining the word “assassination.” This has allowed proponents of the drone wars to rebrand assassinations with more palatable characterizations, such as the term du jour, “targeted killings.”

When the Obama administration has discussed drone strikes publicly, it has offered assurances that such operations are a more precise alternative to boots on the ground and are authorized only when an “imminent” threat is present and there is “near certainty” that the intended target will be eliminated. Those terms, however, appear to have been bluntly redefined to bear almost no resemblance to their commonly understood meanings.

The first drone strike outside of a declared war zone was conducted more than 12 years ago, yet it was not until May 2013 that the White House released a set of standards and procedures for conducting such strikes. Those guidelines offered little specificity, asserting that the U.S. would only conduct a lethal strike outside of an “area of active hostilities” if a target represents a “continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons,” without providing any sense of the internal process used to determine whether a suspect should be killed without being indicted or tried. The implicit message on drone strikes from the Obama administration has been one of trust, but don’t verify.

The Intercept has obtained a cache of secret slides that provides a window into the inner workings of the U.S. military’s kill/capture operations at a key time in the evolution of the drone wars — between 2011 and 2013. The documents, which also outline the internal views of special operations forces …..

Read more….
https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/
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November 13, 2016 1:33pm
- holysheet
  
  Watch out Morris, They know where you live. They have a drone with your name on it arriving at your place soon
  
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  November 13, 2016 1:45pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Thanks for the heads up, my man!
    
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    November 13, 2016 1:46pm
    - holysheet
      
      No worries cobber, we have to be seen trying to protect the dying culture of morris dancing.
      
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      November 13, 2016 1:55pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Dying? Are you KIDDING?….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V72qxbTu5ao
        
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        November 13, 2016 1:59pm
- stephieboy
  
  Morrisey, careful your link doesn’t give Donald ideas Seems like a perfect weapon of choice for him to eliminate opponents to the US or even him .
  
  I think it will be business as usual as regard drone warfare with maybe some ” unpredictability” as to where and whom they will be targeted ,
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-if-he-wins-drones-us-foreign-policy-war-crimes-a7320366.html
  
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  November 13, 2016 2:03pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Sadly, I think you’re correct, stephieboy.
    
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    November 13, 2016 2:06pm
    - holysheet
      
      Was that you in the youtube clip in the white hat, white beard and fat beer gut Morris?
      
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      November 13, 2016 2:07pm
holysheet

Morris and I were having a wee bit of banter above. Can someone explain why his reply button is not active and only the report button?
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November 13, 2016 2:10pm
- Kimbo
  
  Providence? 😉
  
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  November 13, 2016 2:28pm
- Fletch
  
  The tiered thread (I’m not sure of the exact name for it now) will only go so many deep. To reply, you’ll have to go up to the latest comment that still has the ‘Reply’ button and your new comment will appear underneath the other replies. eg, click reply on your “No worries cobber..” comment, and your new comment will appear under his.
  
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  November 13, 2016 4:12pm
waikatogirl

Seems to happen a lot to quite benign comments, its only a clip of English traditional dance.

Guess a wee petal has reported it?
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November 13, 2016 2:26pm
Manolo

History will judge the Messiah very harshly:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/obama-legacy-donald-trump.html
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November 13, 2016 3:52pm
Steve (North Shore)

Hey you lot. My neighbours just returned from Texas. Before they went I said “If you see Hillary, punch her in the mouth for me” Her jaw dropped wide open and she said NO. They returned and gave me a bumper sticker – Trump Pence Make America Great Again,and another about Hillary go to Jail. They saw the shithead liberal scum first hand and were disgusted in the juvenile behaviour
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November 13, 2016 5:00pm
- itstricky
  
  Did your neighbours see any of those crying liberal democrats being handed consolation medals & trophies?
  
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  November 13, 2016 9:05pm
nasska

Trump’s road map:

* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

The flow-on effects from this will be amazing. As well as giving the Yank economy a boost we will be able to sit back & enjoy the sounds of widdle Green hearts breaking.
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November 13, 2016 5:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  WTF is ‘clean coal’?
  
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  November 13, 2016 6:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    ‘When coal burns, it releases carbon dioxide and other emissions in flue gas, the billowing clouds you see pouring out of smoke stacks. Some clean coal technologies purify the coal before it burns. One type of coal preparation, coal washing, removes unwanted minerals by mixing crushed coal with a liquid and allowing the impurities to separate and settle.
    
    Other systems control the coal burn to minimize emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and particulates. Wet scrubbers, or flue gas desulfurization systems, remove sulfur dioxide, a major cause of acid rain, by spraying flue gas with limestone and water. The mixture reacts with the sulfur dioxide to form synthetic gypsum, a component of drywall’.
    
    Don’t underestimate man’s ability to conquer most problems associated with dirty fuels. Coal is a very efficient, cheap and abundantly available resource.
    
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    November 13, 2016 6:13pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      He knows, dick is just trolling.
      Time to give Mike a miss just like Penny Bright
      
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      November 13, 2016 6:22pm
      - pentwig
        
        So, so true. Good call.
        
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        November 13, 2016 7:38pm
  - starboard
    
    Clean coal is a concept for processes or approaches that mitigate emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases, and radioactive materials, that arise from the use of coal, mainly for electrical power generation, using clean coal technology.
    Do keep up mm.
    
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    November 13, 2016 6:13pm
    - itstricky
      
      “do keep up” – LOL
      
      Says the guy who plonks in a c ‘n’ paste from Wikipedia like he’d never ever heard the term before.
      
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      November 13, 2016 9:08pm
      - starboard
        
        If Im not mistaken , Im a thinking you are stalking me drippy.
        
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        November 13, 2016 11:51pm
  - nasska
    
    Stuff that you put on a fire to make steam that produces electricity so that we don’t sit around freezing to death while some wanking Green gets their rocks off by virtue signalling.
    
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    November 13, 2016 6:16pm
wiseowl

Wipe it with a cloth.
You know ,like you do with a hard drive.
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November 13, 2016 6:26pm
stigie

“Wipe it with a cloth”.

Someone been tossing off hard out again !~
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November 13, 2016 9:01pm
Manolo

You make your own luck:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3930572/Farage-arrives-Trump-Tower-talks-President-elect-come-away-dream-job-ambassador-EU.html
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November 13, 2016 9:36pm
stigie

People grieving in Wellington about the US election result…..Oh FFS the poor luvvies !~
“You put your hands on the earth and remember she still exists. We will still exist,” Harrison said.

“They try to bury us but they forget we are seeds and we will grow.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11747310
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November 13, 2016 10:22pm
BeeSting

Anti-Americanism is a mental illness in New Zealand. There are none so mental as those who cannot appreciate the country that saved our way of life.

So true the left want to separate AUS NZ and the USA to divide and conquer they want america on its knees so they can deliver the death blow in the Pacific so the Chinese Communists can take over Treasure Island Australia and NZ

What is also hilarious about the Rabid Anti Americanism is the whole gun thing ????

Their Gun Culture starts with them protecting themselves from “our corrupt system”

It was limey British Red Coats who shot un armed civilians in Boston.

They demand the right to bear arms to protect themselves from “us”

If NZ wants to be the Switzerland of the South Pacific it will need an armed and trained citizen Militia

Military Training should be compulsory in NZ
otherwise you do not get to vote
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November 13, 2016 11:18pm
Jack5

The big Hanmer earthquake felt in Christchurch. Rolling, on, and on. House creaked and swung.

How can Christchurch houses stay plumb after all these quakes?
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November 14, 2016 12:17am
- waikatosinger
  
  We felt it in Hamilton. We never feel earthquakes in Hamilton. A slow gentle rocking – the whole house was moving back and forth – chandeliers swinging wildly. Felt like we were on a boat. Bizarre.
  
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  November 14, 2016 12:36am
SteveRemmington

Damn you Donald Trump!
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November 14, 2016 12:41am
UrbanNeocolonialist

20 earthquakes over last hour all up the country from Hamner to Pukekohe. Caused by supermoon (moon in opposition to sun – is full, and closer than usual), induces very large tides and higher peak crustal stresses that trigger earthquakes.
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November 14, 2016 12:55am
- mikenmild
  
  Wrong. There is no evidence that the moon causes earthquakes.
  
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  November 14, 2016 7:39am
Shunda barunda

It is non stop shaking here at the moment, internet was down for a bit. I couldn’t stand up in my house, the shaking would have been a full minute or more. There have been constant aftershocks every few minutes
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November 14, 2016 1:05am
BeeSting

no one tells it like is like

http://whateverhappentocommonsense.com/
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November 14, 2016 1:10am
Stars And Stripes

Holy shit.Thought the whole workplace was going to come down here in Taranaki.Really scary and worst I have felt.
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November 14, 2016 1:24am
- Shunda barunda
  
  Wow, even that far north? latest reporting says 7.5
  
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  November 14, 2016 2:27am
Manolo

Not a good reason to get headlines:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_NEW_ZEALAND_EARTHQUAKE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-11-13-07-36-31
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November 14, 2016 6:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who on earth was downticking these first reports of the earthquake at 12:30-12:41pm?
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November 14, 2016 7:02am
- mikenmild
  
  You will get downticks for asking that…
  
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  November 14, 2016 7:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How are you mm?
    All OK in the Hutt?
    
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    November 14, 2016 7:12am
    - mikenmild
      
      All good here. It felt more severe than the 2013 quake, and the aftershocks were powerful. The tsunami alarms went off, and some of the neighbours left, but that was only for the beach areas.
      We had a few broken glasses.
      Wellington and Hutt CBDs closed. Trains out, etc. NCEA exams cancelled today. So quite an event all round.
      
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      November 14, 2016 7:24am
Shunda barunda

There just been an active phase again, mag 4+ every few minutes for the last 20 mins
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