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stephieboy

I really think that Donald should stand aside and let Mike Pence take over the rest of the debates .

Enough of Donald’s buffoonery !

BTW does anybody know what became of the findings of those team of investigators Trump sent to Hawaii ?
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October 6, 2016 8:27am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Good morning to you stephie, stephie and stephie.
  Allahu Akbar!
  
  (Don’t panic it’s only me, BallSack)
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:16am
Viking2

Can’t you find some real income producing work to do stephiebot?
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October 6, 2016 8:33am
Viking2

Looks like the nasties have out maneuvered the nasty.
Clark doesn’t get the job.
Yeh.

Helen Clark’s UN campaign ‘well worth it’ despite result, Government says video (well they would wouldn’t they!)

In the sixth straw poll for the UN secretary-general position, former Portugese prime minister Antonio Guterres was announced as the winner, with a formal endorsement “by acclamation” to take place on Friday (NZ time).

Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin made the announcement to reporters surrounded by ambassadors from the 14 other council nations after they held their sixth informal poll of the 10 candidates behind closed doors.

How about we stop spending money on this outfit. Taxpayers money not the Govt.’s money eh.
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October 6, 2016 8:34am
Viking2

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/85014096/helen-clarks-un-dreams-over-after-security-council-chooses-another-candidate
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October 6, 2016 8:40am
Steve (North Shore)

News of the day:
Keeping up with the Smiths.
Some people need to get a life
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October 6, 2016 8:57am
EAD

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm?c_id=35&objectid=11722160

Peter O’Conner savages “neo-liberal” education reform as he criticises the government for being “hell-bent” on “dismantling” public education. He also offers his view on what public education is:

Public education serves many purposes. It prepares young people for a life of work, 1)teaching basic skills in literacy and numeracy. This is seen as its primary purpose by the minister. It also offers something much greater.

After World War II the consensus was that 2)schooling served wider social purposes than individual achievement. The war had sprung from extremist views caused by social and economic uncertainty and inequality. Public education was seen 3)as vital to protecting democracy from these twin threats. It became part of a 4)highly successful global agenda to reduce inequality so the poor could make enough money to own their homes and have a stake in their world.

A rich and broad curriculum designed to ensure functional literacy was supplemented by 5)critical literacy so the population had the tools to challenge what they were told by their governments and by those with racist or extremist views.

Neoliberal policies that have dominated Western democracies for a generation have brought a reversal of this agenda with a growth of inequality that has been breathtaking in scale and speed. 6)Alongside is the growth internationally of extremist and dehumanising ideologies which threaten the fabric of Western democracies.

Let me address this b/s point by point:

1) wrong – basic literacy and numeracy skills are taught in the home. Given how much of our youngs lives is given to school – I would expect something more advanced than basic literacy and numeracy. My grandparents are more literate and numerate than most teens I see today and they left school at 12. Something is obviously going wrong…..

2) What a load of shit George Carlin had educations measure when he said – “There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better…….But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests”

3) wrong again – public school is used to entrench this modern form of “democracy” that gives choice between 2 sides who essentially offer the same thing and march to the same Globalist tune. In reality, modern education the illusion of choice

4)Highly successful Global agenda – yep he’s got that part right. It’s what we spend a large part of the day discussing on Kiwiblog.

5) Modern education is designed so we don’t challenge what our governments are doing. Take the Treaty of Waitangi or Global warming & numerous other topics – the whole point of education is to entrench these views and discourage critical thought!

6) I was laughing and in tears by the time I read this. Our Western “democracies” are the ones promoting ideologies that are dehumanising us – what else can you call a society where we are groped when you go to airports, being forced into high rise tower blocks, having our thoughts clouded by PC & “hate speech” whilst live in increasingly identikit cities “consuming” “global” brands while we are told “tolerate” all sorts of vile practices as part of being “enriched”.

Rant over
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October 6, 2016 9:02am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, irrespective of the shortcomings of our state education system it is still turning out top-notch graduates in medicine , engineering , science , architecture , law, commerce etc . Graduates who largely engage their critical thinking skills and who don’t necessarily accept your obnoxious National Socialist racial theories nor your wobbly conspiracy theories .
  
  Demonstrate to the contrary ?
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:19am
- Griff
  
  Critical thought!
  That’s a novel idea (((EAD ))).
  Have you ever thought for instance that going back to these web shites that predicted the september 2015 global financial crash with such certainty displays a distinct lack of critical thinking skills?
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:38am
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“Clearly [ _______ insert appropriate name ] is bitterly disappointed in his behaviour and feels he has let the team down but just as importantly he feels bitterly disappointed in letting his family and his partner down,” All Blacks coach Steve Hansen said today.

New Zealand Rugby Chief Executive Steve Tew said: “This was really bad decision-making by [ _______ insert appropriate name ] which reflects poorly on him, and on the team, even although they weren’t there with him.”

Tew said [ _______ insert appropriate name ] has failed to meet the standards that New Zealand Rugby and the public expect of our players.

We regret this seems to be a more serious incident because [ _______ insert appropriate name ] had not been drinking so can not use that as an excuse. No gravel was thrown in the incident, but they may only be because none was available at the time. [ _______ insert appropriate name ] won’t be debriefed because this seems to have been part of the problem in the first place.
We are commissioning university research to see if we can blame anything on colonialism, dirty politics, sugary sports drinks, John Key or altitude ailments (relating to changing sea levels).
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October 6, 2016 9:03am
Stars And Stripes

Project launched to boost NZ Pacific people in law profession
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/314984/project-launched-to-boost-nz-pacific-people-in-law-profession
“A co-President of PILSA, Dylan Asafo, says there are institutional and structural barriers in education that Pacific students need to break down”.

I can only assume that he is talking about the lower entry criteria for Islanders wanting to do law and how this needs to be reduced even more or even better no entry criteria then the structural and institutional barriers will finally be removed.
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October 6, 2016 9:05am
AgentBallSack

Who hasn’t given a 5 minute knee trembler to a smoking hot fox in a paraplegic toilet?

Rite of passage for most Kiwis.
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October 6, 2016 9:34am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  You just don’t expect a creep with a camera and his deranged wife to be outside waiting to interfere in your life
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:40am
  - Kimbo
    
    Sadly in this day and age of neo-puritanism and manufactured social outrage and moral panics, it is almost inevitable. Even if, let’s face it, it was not much more than the social sin of unauthorised parking in a disabled car space. Selfish, sure, and disrespectful to the disabled, whose needs deserve to be honoured in all cases. But because of that missing out on playing a test match against the Springboks, and the social opprobrium?! And the sheer hypocrisy of the MSM reporting it, because they have never done anything like it…ever, and if one of them transgresses they’ll report it in big headlines.
    
    Then again, if you make (a lot of) money out of pro sport interacting with the MSM, and engage in the world of social media…
    
    Mind you, big bruv does have a point – the All Blacks of old, and members of every sports team for that matter did a whole lot “worse”. I once spoke to two very well known, intelligent and socially balanced All Blacks of yesteryear who not only confirmed that, but also remarked on the difference then with the cloying, regimentation of every part of a modern sports person’s routine. They also remarked that it is inevitable some go wandering off the reservation from time to time, such is human nature, often unconsciously just to retain some sense of individuality.
    
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    October 6, 2016 9:52am
- Kimbo
  
  I’m guessing not big bruv – and waiting for confirmation, 5, 4, 3…
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:40am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Not really shocking from where I stand as I have it on good authority that about 95% of babies are conceived in public toilets or park bushes in some NZ towns like Kawerau.
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:45am
- Morrissey
  
  What you do by yourself should be kept to yourself, AgentBallSack.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:00am
- sam green
  
  I suspect you haven’t AgentBallSack.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:18am
  - Morrissey
    
    AgentBallSack—the Ralph Fiennes of Kiwiblog….
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-436499/Exclusive-How-I-led-Ralph-Fiennes-astray-35-000ft.html
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:22am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I have done a lot in my short life of 40 something something years. Granted, I never played for the All Blacks but that’s not my sport of choice.
    
    Having been heavily involved in the music industry (and associated foibles), in NZ for a lot of my 20s and 30s, you would be surprised what I have seen and done.
    
    Will release the memoirs after D4J releases his book.
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:31am
    - starboard
      
      Why is it the left ( green, morris minor etc ) are always so sour and humorless. We have all had a shag in a public toilet boys but the difference being, we shag the right sex.
      
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      October 6, 2016 1:01pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Big difference between five or ten minutes as duscussed in the media. I have to say though that since they were taking their child to the toilet it can’t have been urgent if they could and did, ‘wait it out’, was there no other toilet that they could use? Pretty voyeuristic if they then used that one after ‘knowing’ what had gone on!!!
  
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  October 7, 2016 8:06am
RF

Smith…… gone by lunch.
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October 6, 2016 9:42am
- SGA
  
  I hope not – in the grand scheme of things, it’s not that serious (cf bashing someone, unwanted groping, illegal drug use, drunk driving). If I’d noticed something like that, I wouldn’t be running to the media.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:50am
Morrissey

Two poorly informed comedians, a poorly informed literary man
and a highly constrained, fearful academic talk about death squads.
The Panel, RNZ National, Wednesday 5 October 2016, 4:13 p.m.
Jesse Mulligan, Jeremy Elwood, Michael Moynahan, Megan Whelan

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/201818806/philippines-president's-anti-american-rhetoric

The most offensive aspect to the following travesty is not the two professional stand-up comedians struggling to say something erudite—“I’ve been reading quite a lot about this guy, I mean, ahhhmm, I mean”—and blithely talking, with no apparent sense of irony, about the United States lecturing Duterte about “death squads” and “sanctioned killings”. It’s not the ridiculous comments by Michael Moynahan at the end of the farce. No, the worst part of this shambles is the guest, billed grandly as “the Regional Security Fellow at the Centre for Strategic Studies”, who somehow forgets to mention just why a Filipino president being lectured about “human rights” by the United States should react with such a display of contempt. [1]. But then, on reflection, Paul Sinclair’s mediocrity, timidity, and mealy-mouthedness should hardly come as a surprise, given that he is a departmental colleague of the notorious Lance Beath and Robert Ayson. Like the equally dismal University of Waikato professor Al Gillespie the day before, Paul Sinclair chose to defer to the sensibilities of his colleagues rather than talk candidly.

Here, for those who can bear such naked mediocrity and cowardice, is the transcript of eight miserable minutes of taxpayer-funded dissembling….

JESSE MULLIGAN: Ah, we’ll stay overseas. The president of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, has told Barack Obama to “go to Hell.” He doesn’t like the U.S. president criticizing his War on Drugs and Crime which has led to the killing of—oh this is incredible—the killing of three and a half thousand people, the SANCTIONED killing of three and a half thousand people. He-e-e’s also likened himself to Hitler—he’s a real piece of work. He said he’d be happy to slaughter three million drug users, ahem, this guy seemed to come out of NOWHERE, Jeremy.

JEREMY ELWOOD: Yeah, um, I’ve been reading quite a lot about this guy, I mean, ever since he announced that he was running for the presidency, ahhhmm, I mean, I, I guess one of the things here is, no one in the Philippines should be surprised at this. He SAID right from the beginning, when he was mayor of, um, and I’m sorry I’ve forgotten the name of the town.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Yeah, it’s an old school bloodlust town, yeah.

JEREMY ELWOOD: Yeah. I mean, he was mayor of there and there were a lot of allegations about death squads and killings—sanctioned killings—of DRUG DEALERS. I mean, his main push is against the drug trade. Um, and he ran on a platform that he was going to, quote, “wipe out drug crime within six months.” Um, I mean it does, if, if you just come as an observer it reads like the plot for The Raid 3, or some ridiculous action movie. He’s almost like a Bond-esque villain but I think he’s FRIGHTENING, he’s very very frightening.

JESSE MULLIGAN: And doesn’t seem afraid, Michael, to be making international enemies.

MICHAEL MOYNAHAN: [speaking slowly, carefully, to convey moral seriousness] No he doesn’t seem to at ALL, um, it, it is, um, ah, he did, he did ENTIRELY telegraph what it was he was going to do, AND he had done all of this stuff before. What I thought was interesting from some of the stuff I’ve been reading and seeing lately is that the Philippine electorate EMBRACED him because actually he was seen as the ALTERNATIVE to all of the corruption, all of the promises they’d been made post, um, ah, Marcos, ahh, you know, “We’re gonna sort this out, we’re going to organize, a civil society et cetera, none of that happened, and so he’s actually the RESPONSE that the Philippine electorate has given, and he’s PART of, in an extraordinarily extreme way, the whole BACKLASH against the establishment.

JESSE MULLIGAN: [dolefully] Yeah.

JEREMY ELWOOD: Yeah he’s basically Donald Trump with a bloodlust!

JESSE MULLIGAN: [restrained, mirthless, grave] Ah ha ha ha ha.

MICHAEL MOYNAHAN: Oh, GOD!

JESSE MULLIGAN: Well there’s a piece, there’s an interesting piece in the Guardian which quotes a senior Filipino police officer, because the police have been turned into KILLERS really, which’d be an incredible thing to go on if your usual job is keeping the peace and then you get orders to go out and start SHOOTING people.

JEREMY ELWOOD: Yeah, and, and there’s SO many issues that ARISE from that, I mean if you’ve given the police a license to KILL, um, and, and if you have, as Duarte [sic] HAS done, um, enticed public civilians to take the laws into their own hands when it comes to when, if there’s a drug dealer, I mean that just blows open the doors of SO much potential corruption.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Yeah, yeah.

JEREMY ELWOOD: All you need, I mean in terms of, you know, what happened a LOT in Stalinist Russia, you just need to ACCUSE somebody, you know, if you don’t LIKE your neighbor, all you need to do is drop a line saying “I’m pretty sure my neighbor’s a drug dealer” and, you know, problem solved.

MICHAEL MOYNAHAN: And, and, the interesting thing is what IS at the bottom of it? Is it a cynical ploy on behalf of this particular politician who’s in fact, you know, actually BEHIND a lot of the corruption, you know, what lies behind it which we have no way of really TELLING in amongst all the noise that he is making and the, ahh, you know, telling off the U.S., telling off China, or WHATEVER it is? Is there something that lies beyond that, which is even more sinister? And that’s the bit that worries ME.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Well let’s ask Paul Sinclair. He’s Regional Security Fellow at the Centre for Strategic Studies and he joins us now. Hi Paul.

PAUL SINCLAIR: Oh hi how are you?

JESSE MULLIGAN: GOOD thank you. So the, the drug-related killings is one thing, but what’s the purpose behind all the anti-American rhetoric?

PAUL SINCLAIR: Ahhhhhmmm, I think that that’s a reflection of the fact that, ah, he, ah, has got this single-minded agenda, um, ah, to wipe out drug dealers, the Americans have CRITICIZED it, ah, on human RIGHTS grounds, understandably, ahhhhh, and he has reacted very very strongly, ahhhh, that has posed a real conundrum for Washington, ahhh, because it is starting to undermine, ahhh, what the United States regards as a bedrock alliance commitment to the Philippines.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Yeah, what’s the HISTORY of that commitment and that alliance?

PAUL SINCLAIR: It’s, it’s got a very interesting and somewhat checkered history, ahhh, it dates back, ahhhh, post-War, post-World War Two, ahhhhhmm, prior to that, um, the Philippines was an American colony for, um, several decades and there lies part of the ISSUES that surface from time to time between the Philippines and the United States. Ahhhhmm, all went WELL with that alliance, ahhh, between 1951 and 1992, until the Philippines senate at that time, ahhh, instructed the U.S. to leave ALL of its military bases in the Philippines, of which at that time there were very very many. Ahhhh, and, uh, the relationship went into a deep cold FREEZE for a number of years. It’s been built back, in particular in respect of issues over the South China Sea; the Philippines very actively sought U.S. support for the case that it mounted in The Hague.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Yeah that was interesting wasn’t it, I mean, you would certainly put the U.S. and the Philippines on the same side there, and China on the other side, but it sounds like, uh, the President Duterte is warming UP to China a little?

PAUL SINCLAIR: Very much, ahhhhhh, he just said the other day that, uh, if the United States refuses to sell the Philippines weapons because of, uh, human rights concerns, um, he will source them from China and Russia, ahh, they’ll have NO COMPUNCTION, ah, about selling him military equipment, ahhh, he has I understand brought FORWARD his planned visit to Beijing and will now visit next month with a business delegation, and he sees China as the, ahhhh, as a potential source of significant investment that the Philippines badly needs to, um, strengthen its infrastructure.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Yeah, well speaking of the infrastructure and the economy, this has not been good for business in the Philippines, ahhh, going around and killing people tends to add a feeling of INSTABILITY. Do you think there’ll be a point at which the populace of the Philippines look at what’s going on in the economy and think, Hey well maybe this isn’t working?

PAUL SINCLAIR: Ahhhm, yes there MAY be, ahhh, or hopefully there will be a realization, ahhh, um, that this has NOT been a particularly CLEVER thing for Duterte to do, ahhhh, but there is an element within the Philippines, ahhmm, the nationalist STRONGMAN which still holds quite a bit of appeal, ahmm, and it may take a WHILE for what’s happening now in a business sense to register with the Philippines population. The wealthy elite certainly will have a very strong view about this but whether the population more generally will, it’s really hard to say.

JESSE MULLIGAN: All right, Paul Sinclair, ahhhh, Regional Security Fellow at the Centre for Strategic Studies at Victoria University, thanks so much for your time today.

MICHAEL MOYNAHAN: D’ya know how many PEOPLE live in the Philippines? I just Googled it, by the way.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Ah, I’m gonna guess: sixty million?

MICHAEL MOYNAHAN: Hundred!

JESSE MULLIGAN: [faintly] Oh yeah?

MICHAEL MOYNAHAN: Hundred million people! ….[long pause]…That’s TERRIFYING!

JESSE MULLIGAN: I wonder how much impact this is having on DRUG USE over there? Whether it’s working? I mean, it’s sort of irrelevant, isn’t it, but it would be interesting to see how the drug community is RESPONDING. Oh by the way, I enjoyed what Paul said there, Jeremy: despite the fact that it might not make sense economically, the people are responding to a strongman who, I think it plays into what you were saying.

JEREMY ELWOOD: Yeah I mean I think you see a LOT of that in, ahem, you know, countries which are, which had a history of both colonialism and often the drug trade. Um, you certainly see it a LOT in South America where, y’know, these, y’know, democratically elected leaders, um, turn into dictators very quickly, um, you look at someone like Noriega back in the um, y’know, eighties and nineties. Umm, there is a response to strong leadership, um, and in this case to the point, like I say, I mean this guy’s coming across like a modern-day Rambo or something, with his personal agenda, it’s ahhh….

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I wrote the host of this débâcle the following email, to which he has yet to reply….

Dear Jesse,

While the terrifying President Duterte is indeed all the things you say, how is he any worse than President Obama?
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point

[1] http://fonsucu.blogspot.co.nz/2005/11/filipino-genocide.html
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October 6, 2016 9:52am
- tom hunter
  
  Terrible isn’t it?
  
  We should sell RNZ!
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:05am
  - Morrissey
    
    That is the most foolish and ignorant response anyone could make. Have you listened to the bilge on RadioLive and SpewtalkZB? It makes that drivel that I transcribed, awful as it is, look like a conversation between Socrates and Plato.
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:20am
    - stephieboy
      
      Morrissey , you appear to think that Rodrigo Duterte is some kind of wonderful role model .
      
      What’s the appeal ?
      
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      October 6, 2016 10:28am
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh, yeah! And now it’s ~~Jimmy~~ stephieboy vs. ~~Timmy~~ Morrissey. ~~Cripple~~ Troll Fight!! 😉
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfgHVSvxZUA
        
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        October 6, 2016 10:36am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Probably similar to the appeal a violent child raping murdering warlord has over billions of people in the world.
        
        Retards are gonna be retarded no matter what.
        
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        October 6, 2016 10:38am
      - Morrissey
        
        stephieboy,
        
        As I made clear in my email to the bewildered Jesse Mulligan, I regard Duterte as terrifying. I think he is a criminal, and should be in prison. However, Duterte is Albert Schweitzer compared to Barack Obama.
        
        Duterte rightly will not countenance being lectured about human rights by the United States, which committed genocide in the Philippines a century ago, and has been sanctioning killings and sending death squads into Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Pakistan for generations.
        
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        October 6, 2016 10:43am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I wouldn’t have pegged you as a Southpark fan Kimbo.
        
        Just another thing I like about you 🙂
        
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        October 6, 2016 10:53am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ ABS
        
        Respect mah authoritah!
        
        Stone and Parker – the most equal-opportunity satirists around. Doesn’t matter if you are white, black, brown or brindle, rich or poor, male, female, hermaphrodite, liberal or conservative, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Scientologist or Atheist…if you are pompous and stupid, they will nail you! 😉
        
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        October 6, 2016 11:02am
- AgentBallSack
  
  We agree on something.
  Neither Mulligan nor Elwood are comedians in the accepted sense of the word. A bit like calling Rhys Darby a comedian.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:36am
  - Morrissey
    
    AgentBallSack took some time off banging young hot foxes to offer us the following opinion:
    
    Neither Mulligan nor Elwood are comedians in the accepted sense of the word. A bit like calling Rhys Darby a comedian.
    
    I think Jesse Mulligan is very good at times. Although, as we have seen over the last couple of days, he knows hardly anything and reads fuck-all, he was excellent as the host of a clip show on television last year, and he is very quick and sharp with the puns.
    
    Jeremy Elwood on the other hand is the unfunniest “comedian” this country has produced other than Evan Gilmour. He’s a pretentious, morose, censorious dipstick who suffers from an affliction known as gravit-arse. His sole strategy in his stand-up routine seems to be to say “fuck” as often as he can manage it. Elwood’s schtick on 7 Days consists of sitting with a glum look of rebuke on his puss whenever Dai Henwood and the others veer off into insensitive or politically incorrect territory, which is of course for practically the whole show. The only person who has ever looked unhappier and more disapproving is Elwood’s similarly “right on” partner Michelle Acourt.
    
    Rhys Darby I think can be extremely funny. I particularly enjoy stories about his time in the Army….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5J9cylzQ8c
    
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    October 6, 2016 11:25am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Well I am not surprised you think Ewen Gilmour is not funny any more, after all he died over a year ago.
      
      About 10 years after his jokes did
      
      Ba Boom Tish!
      
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      October 6, 2016 12:50pm
      - sooty
        
        Every time I see the youi ad, I wonder who was the pedo comedian which was abusing his own kid? Who ever it was should not have got name suppresion.
        
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        October 6, 2016 6:27pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      Great comedian Jerry Seinfeld disagreed with you
      
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      October 6, 2016 1:30pm
- Garbageman
  
  Good god not satisfied with being ignored at The Stantard with your rambling drivel you now inflict it on the civil people here at KB, fk man you could have supplied a link that would save our mouse wheels a lot of work, although I am envious of the amount of free time you have on your hands, ever thought of doing some good with it ?
  
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  October 6, 2016 12:32pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Are you feeling all right, Garbageman? You sound a bit dyspeptic. This should cheer you up, old fellow….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7rCyll5AeY
    
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    October 6, 2016 6:37pm
EAD

Has GD disappeared from the front page?
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October 6, 2016 10:19am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  No it is filed in the wrong place.
  Look under yesterdays posts.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:20am
Manolo

Blundering Mamma Merkel doubles down:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/angela-merkel-takes-significantly-tougher-brexit-stance

Angela Merkel has significantly stiffened her rhetoric on Brexit, telling an audience of German business leaders that any exception to the EU’s single market rules would represent “a systemic challenge for the entire European Union”.
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October 6, 2016 10:24am
stephieboy

From TM,

The Clintons pulled in $10.6 million in 2015, much less than the nearly $28 million they made the year before.

Their tax return showed that they paid $3.24 million in federal income taxes.
That means their effective tax rate — a measure of their income tax burden — was 30.6% based on their adjusted gross income. That’s on par with their 32% effective rate in 2014.
The campaign reported the Clintons’ effective tax rate as 34%, which includes the more than $300,000 the couple paid in self-employment taxes, which are payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. Experts often don’t include them when calculating federal income tax burdens.
By any measure, though, Hillary Clinton and her husband have satisfied the Buffett Rule that she’d like to impose if elected. Under that rule, anyone with adjusted gross income over $1 million would have to pay a minimum of 30% of their income in taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/12/pf/taxes/hillary-clinton-tax
-return/

Trump, Christie and Giuliani obviously think that paying taxes to help pay for military spending , law enforcement , education ,health and safety provision etc is somehow unpatriotic ?
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October 6, 2016 10:32am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Linking to the Clinton News Network again stephie? Would they really tell the truth after all these years?
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, CNN tell the Truth? In this case, I would say yes !
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:44am
- Gabby
  
  They’re not at Trumpo’s level of geniusness.
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:20pm
Morrissey

Israel strikes again at its most hated enemies: peace activists

The Holy State stamps out free speech, and keeps the people of Gaza safe from such desperadoes as….

Mairead Maguire, the 1976 Nobel Peace laureate, retired US Army Colonel Ann Wright and Fauziah Hasan, a Malaysian doctor.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11723621
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October 6, 2016 10:36am
- Kimbo
  
  Marama Davidson detained!! Oh, please, Israel, for the love of God, the memory of your holy Patriarchs and for the good of New Zealand keep her under arrest for at least 6 months.
  
  Then again, not even the worst enemies of Zionism would wish on the modern Jewish state the toxic level of self-righteous martyr smug that Davidson is likely to emit.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:44am
  - Morrissey
    
    What a pity it’s not 1961, Kimbo. Then you could have written equally excoriating opinion pieces about these “self-righteous martyrs”….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HS5dDN1-rk
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  IDF should release these protesters in Gaza wearing bikini bottoms and Charlie Hebdo mohammed cartoon emblazoned t-shirts.
  
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  October 6, 2016 3:11pm
Lance

I guarantee you Israel has a VASTLY more free press than any of it’s neighbours.
And it diverts any blockade running ship, disembarks the perps, inspects the cargo, and if clean… as in not containing weapons of war… the cargo is allowed to continue on.
Unlike it’s neighours, whom usually slaughter all those involved or stick them in a shit hole jail for 50 years
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October 6, 2016 10:42am
- Morrissey
  
  The blockade of Gaza is illegal. Israel’s blockade of Gaza has been condemned by every state in the world, including the United States.
  
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  October 6, 2016 10:48am
  - Lance
    
    The terrorist govt of Gaza could really stick it to Israel and stop firing rockets and murdering Israel’s civilians. Importing weapons would then not be an issue and Israel would not have a leg to stand on.
    
    But………………. oh no……. It’s Gaza’s right to wage murder campaigns against it’s neighbour and wicked old Israel shouldn’t protect itself.
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:54am
    - Morrissey
      
      Israel has illegally blockaded Gaza since 2007. It is Israel that is in the wrong here—even the United States, which backs it with the fierce loyalty it used to also show to apartheid South Africa and Saddam Hussein, recognizes that Israel is gravely in breach of international and humanitarian law.
      
      If you’re serious, you will read the following…
      
      http://normanfinkelstein.com/2011/07/20/is-the-israeli-blockade-of-gaza-legal-it-has-been-reliably-reported-that-a-forthcoming-report-from-ban-ki-moons-office-will-say-yes-heres-an-expert-legal-opinion/
      
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      October 6, 2016 6:11pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    It’s not illegal to defend your own borders from rockets.
    Germany is waking up to that fact now.
    
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    October 6, 2016 10:55am
    - Morrissey
      
      The Holy State is “defending” itself from peace activists. People like Hedy Epstein…
      http://mondoweiss.net/2016/05/holocaust-survivor-activist/
      
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      October 6, 2016 11:32am
Manolo

Griff’s wet dream:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/10/04/al-gore-to-campaign-for-clinton-hoping-to-galvanize-young-voters-on-climate-change/?utm_term=.2e15d3e83685

Former vice president Al Gore will start campaigning for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, in an effort to mobilize young voters who see climate change as a key issue.

Gore first endorsed Clinton’s candidacy in late July, writing, “Given her qualifications and experience and given the significant challenges facing our nation and the world, including, especially, the global climate crisis, I encourage everyone else to do the same.”
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October 6, 2016 10:44am
Manolo

Islam threatens with more peace and more lone wolves:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/10/04/isis-calls-for-random-knife-attacks-in-alleys-forests-beaches/

A new magazine issued by the Islamic State advises lone jihadists to get over any squeamishness about using knives and embrace sharp objects as “widely available” weapons of jihad in nighttime stabbing campaigns.
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October 6, 2016 10:48am
stephieboy

Morrissey,

“However, Duterte is Albert Schweitzer compared to Barack Obama.”

You drown in your Pilger / Chomsky inspired fanaticism .

The Soviet manufactured famine in Ukraine killing millions happened c 80 years ago .

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

Next ?.

The US has not sanctioned death squads moving into the Yemen , Afghanistan etc !
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October 6, 2016 10:52am
- Morrissey
  
  stephieboy,
  
  I recommend you actually read something by Chomsky and Pilger. Until then, your heated remonstrations are worthless.
  
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  October 6, 2016 11:29am
  - Kimbo
    
    I recommend you actually ~~read something by Chomsky and Pilger~~. shove red hot pokers into every orifice in your body…repeatedly
    
    There – fixed that for you with a less-painful sensory and cerebral experience.
    
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    October 6, 2016 11:43am
    - Morrissey
      
      Reading is no doubt a painful experience for you, Kimbo. But there’s really no substitute, if you want to be informed and intelligent.
      
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      October 6, 2016 11:58am
      - Kimbo
        
        Hey, Morrissey, just alerting you that your unnecessary adverb count is rising. Already today on this thread (and I’m not looking that hard):
        
        “rightly” (10:43am)
        “extremely” (11:25am)
        “actually” (11:29am)
        ….and in that last post “really” (11:58am)
        
        That’s four before the sun has crossed the yardarm! “Whoop, whoop! Pull Up! Pull Up!”
        
        Remember Kimbo’s Law: in blogworld the validity of an argument is in direct inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs.
        
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        October 6, 2016 12:11pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Kimbo, you don’t have the wit or the learning to lecture me on style. Just because you have found three instances of my using adverbs doesn’t mean they were inappropriately chosen. Whoops!—I’ve just used another one.
        
        If you want to parse hopeless writing, I suggest you spend your time on the next Mike Hosking piece in the Herald or whatever nonsense next drips from the pen of the hapless Alan Duff.
        
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        October 6, 2016 12:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Morrissey, as every post you have ever done is (to quote you) “pretentious, morose, (that of a) censorious dipstick who suffers from an affliction known as gravit-arse”
        
        ….I’ll take that latest critique of yours as an affirmation of my comic genius. 😉
        
        Oh, yes, and I wasn’t correcting your “style” as such. More the fact it is used to cover your lack of…substance.
        
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        October 6, 2016 1:03pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Dear old Kimbo has tried, unwisely, to be clever. First, he attempts, lamely and unconvincingly, to use my critique of a bewildered comedian against me, then he tries to deny what he was up to….
        
        I wasn’t correcting your “style” as such. More the fact it is used to cover your lack of…substance.
        
        The late great Terry Pratchett says it best….
        http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-he-s-out-of-his-depth-on-a-wet-pavement-terry-pratchett-36-89-20.jpg
        
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        October 6, 2016 3:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Dear old Kimbo has tried, unwisely, to be clever. First, he attempts, lamely and unconvincingly…
        
        …and that is adverb # 5, 6, and 7! “Terrain approaching! Terrain approaching!”
        
        It’s like you can’t help yourself. Now that I’ve made you aware of the problem, this is the first step on the road to recovery: “My name is Morrissey Breem, and I’m a rhetorical-bullshitting adverb addict…”
        
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        October 6, 2016 3:39pm
pentwig

daffy
you really are a busy silly duck!!

Bot baits internet imbeciles
@good_opinions is the work of Nora Reed, an activist and artist.
A Twitter “honeypot” bot is provoking people, revealing how desperate some people are to get into online fights.

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October 6, 2016 10:57am
Longknives

Re Mr Smith- I’m initially inclined to agree with AgentBallsack ‘Let he who is without Sin cast the first stone’..
Then I remember that the NZRU and the gushing Media elevates these guys to beyond Sainthood and bombards us with charm offensives about ‘Role Models’ etc
Then I also remember the same ‘Role Model’ got caught posting Dick Pics on the internet a couple of years ago..
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October 6, 2016 11:06am
- Kimbo
  
  Meh. If they engage with the media-demands for their time they are schills, if they don’t they are taciturn “unsmiling giants” and modern-day Keith Murdochs. If they say they are confident they are arrogant, if they say they respect their opponents they are insincere.
  
  They are no different from any modern pro sports team.
  
  Speaking of which, for those who are not aware, the Chicago Cubs completed a 100 game-winning season. 😉 And now we move to post-season, where they are drawn to play the National League Wild Card.. Perhaps tom hunter might like to share the likely projections with us all…
  
  http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/#20161002
  
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  October 6, 2016 11:08am
  - tom hunter
    
    Hell no!
    
    It’s crapshoot time. I’ve seen too many teams with great records go down in the playoffs.
    
    Just to be safe I’ve already chewed all my fingernails off – and sacrificed the neighbour’s goat.
    
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    October 6, 2016 1:17pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Oh, come on! Didn’t stop Joe Torre’s Yankees owning the late 1990s.
      
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      October 6, 2016 1:29pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Yeah, yeah. That’s the Yankees. Winners. Backing them is liking backing the All Blacks: they don’t always win but the odds are with them.
        
        If the Cubs get two or three World Series under their belts in the next five years I might start to feel that way.
        
        But I doubt it.
        
        Losers! Looooosssssseeeerrrrrsss!!! Until proved otherwise.
        
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        October 6, 2016 1:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        (Aside to KB community: Ever seen Lucy talk Charlie Brown into having yet another go at kicking that football? Or Richard III persuade yet another pending victim he’s on their side…just before they get the chop? 😉 )
        
        Come on, tom hunter! You call yourself a fan?! If it was good enough for the Red Sox and Giants fans to hang in there, and break the curse of the Bambino, and likely some punishment for moving to San Francisco, then what kind of fan are you if you can’t do the same for the Cubs when it really counts?
        
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        October 6, 2016 1:55pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Plus you forget, while the Yankees have a great history, apart from 1977 and ’78 and Mr October (yeah, sorry to mention him in your presence) there was a 34 year gap between drinks for the Bronx Bombers, and Torre had to overcome that most powerful of curses any manager could face – George Steinbrenner as your club’s owner! 😉
        
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        October 6, 2016 2:03pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Lucy, the football and Charlie Brown would only apply if the Cubs had got to a World Series several times and failed at the last moment each time.
        
        As Stephen Gould once said, there are two types of losers in baseball. The Red Sox, who take their fans to within an inch of winning the whole thing – and then stab them through the heart.
        
        And then the Cubs, who are just losers all the time.
        
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        October 6, 2016 5:43pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  My opinion is if you’re looking for role models in the sporting profession, most likely you’re looking in the wrong place. The real role models are generally unsung, out there doing what they do for others because that’s what they enjoy doing or have a real drive to make a difference.
  
  They’re not paid a million dollars a year to cripple someone on a football field.
  
  It’s not a dig at sports people because they have put in a lot of effort to get where they are, but ultimately it’s for their own gain.
  
  We all have our own skill sets, to me being able to punt a piece of air inflated pigskin 100 yards isn’t particularly noteworthy. Compared with saving someones life on the side of the road or talking down a suicidee or myriad other things that actually make a difference.
  
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  October 6, 2016 11:16am
  - kowtow
    
    talking down a suicidee……..Harry Callahan’s the man for that!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nglh-BExEus
    
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    October 6, 2016 2:59pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Harry Callahan went downhill rapidly and ended up as a sad and confused old man, unfortunately….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIBGIXLDrAk
      
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      October 6, 2016 6:14pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.facebook.com/hope.n.hate/videos/10153740422111854/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

See the only newsreel footage of the Battle of Cable Street, which happened 80 years ago today in the East End of London and is marked as the greatest ever victory for anti-fascism on British soil.

We’ve launched a brand new interactive website featuring interviews with those who were there, with historians, artists and others, examining the legacy and relevance of #CableStreet80 to today:

➝ http://cablestreet.uk

They shall not pass. #NoPasaran!
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October 6, 2016 11:19am
wikiriwhis business

https://www.facebook.com/VicAuthorityExpo/videos/1129324980469637/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

WOW. a story for the brainwashed.
Police are regularly unavailable for an hour or more to calls where lives are at risk, a study shows.

where are they all??? behind a radar? picking on kids at a train station ? raising revenue? who else is there to blame for the crime rate…. this is what happens when you care more about the profit then the community.
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October 6, 2016 11:24am
wikiriwhis business

Four years after her home was demolished, the Christchurch City Council wants ailing 91-year-old Bertelle Smyth to pay rates.

https://www.facebook.com/Stuff.co.nz/posts/10154574718674268
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October 6, 2016 11:26am
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Council pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with. Sure they have a list if they get away with this one. Hope the mayor gets ousted
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:27pm
wikiriwhis business

Once again the democratic process has been diverted by a large donation to a single candidate.

At a Chinese community fund-raising event for Auckland mayoral front runner,
Phil Goff, an anonymous phone bidder paid $150,000 for a signed copy of a book, The Governance of China, by the Chinese president. In all, the event raised $250,000, which is around half the candidate’s estimated campaign bill.

Goff came out with the usual comments politicians make on such occasions, how he tries to keep such vulgarities as money, at arm’s length and arguing that the law that forces all donations over $1500 to be disclosed after an election helps “guarantee that you’re unlikely to in any way favour those groups that have contributed.”

I’m afraid this is when I, and I suspect most voters, start to roll my eyes. This idea that campaigning politicians are made of sterner stuff than the rest of us, and unlike you and me, can receive a donation of $150,000 from a single individual and be totally unaffected by the generosity defies belief.

Money does talk when waved about in these amounts, even if the politicians try to ignore it. Ask 2010 Auckland mayoral candidate, John Banks. He got into all sorts of problems for ignoring the cries of internet millionaire Kim Dotcom – donor of $50,000 – for help from the depths of Mt Eden Prison.

Dotcom had been tossed into jail after the FBI-triggered raid on his mansion, and wanted a friendly ear and a soft mattress for his bad back. The ensuing court cases over whether the donation was anonymous or not, rumbled on long afterwards.

The incident highlights one of the issues with donors of large amounts. Even if they don’t crassly itemise what they want in return for their cash, they do expect at the very least, access to the seat of power in times of need.

One of the repercussions of the Dotcom-Banks incident was a law change in 2013, to bring local body political donations rules into line with national politics. The donors of amounts over $1500 have to be disclosed, or the money forfeited.

But the unveiling of names is not necessary until after the election is over, when it’s too late for voters to see the sort of company the candidates are keeping.

The fantasy that rich donors – either individuals or groups – just spray their money at the candidate of their choice, then walk away, doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

In national politics, there are many recent examples of the rich, pumping their money into political causes, including Conservative Party’s Colin Craig. Act has had several, including Alan Gibbs, John Boscawen and the eccentric anti-Maori Louis Crimp from Invercargill, who weirdly strayed off message on national television to ask interviewer Jane Luscombe if she’d ever had sex against a tree.

I throw in national examples because the Auckland mayoralty race is now of a similar scale. It has become too large and expensive to contest successively, without the financial backing of rich individuals and pressure groups.

In the first Super City mayoral race in 2010, John Banks spent $948,937 on his campaign, and Len Brown, $581,900. In 2013, Brown was re-elected with a campaign budget of $338,584.

Is this any way to run a democracy? The 1986 Royal Commission on the Electoral System said no, calling for a system of state funding. Its focus was on parliamentary elections. But that was before Auckland was amalgamated into one huge political entity, home to the third of all New Zealanders.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11723129
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October 6, 2016 11:30am
mikenmild

On this day, 247 years ago, a ships’ boy aboard Endeavour sighted land, the first glimpse of New Zealand by Europeans since Tasman in 1642. The boy, Nicholas Young, was given a gallon of rum (he was 12!) and Young Nicks Head named in his honour.
The subsequent landing did not go down very well with the locals, and on leaving the area James Cook named it Poverty Bay, “because it afforded us nothing we wanted”. Of course, theses days we have Gisborne chardonnay.

The 250th anniversary will be along in 2019. Details of commemorations have not been announced, but it is to be hoped that the Endeavour replica will visit once again, among other events.
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October 6, 2016 11:35am
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Just got given a bottle of Gisborne chardonnay. Haven’t tried it yet. Chilling
  
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  October 6, 2016 12:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can book a tent-site now Chez Maggy’s to view the sail-in proceedings.
  
  Few bob extra to use the ablutions.
  
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  October 6, 2016 3:56pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Revisionist correction: James Cook / Jamau Aoraki
  
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  October 7, 2016 3:27am
Manolo

Sickeningly sanctimonious:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11723506

Star halfback Aaron Smith’s public sex scandal means the sport which likes to portray itself as being above the rest continues to be exposed for what it really is. The assumption must be that a series of known incidents are just the tip of an ugly iceberg.
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October 6, 2016 11:44am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Football is known as the beautiful game.
  
  Racking my brains to think of how Rugby portrays itself above the rest as it is generally played by low IQ thugs.
  
  Some of whom receive name suppression or discharges without conviction despite being sex offenders.
  
  I prefer to set my own bar a little higher than emulating rugby heroes and morals.
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:05pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Football is known as the beautiful game.
    
    Indeed it is—rugby football is known as the beautiful game in France. Not that you’d know it, going by their dismal and spiritless performance at last year’s Rugby World Cup.
    
    Racking my brains to think of how Rugby portrays itself above the rest as it is generally played by low IQ thugs.
    
    Rugby footballers are no different from any other athletes. Some of them are very smart, and very brave, beyond the football field….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VT3cihO4U
    
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    October 6, 2016 3:16pm
SPC

After a lame performance in Palmerston North against Manawatu the Wellington Lions were seen entering a disabled toilet at Wellington Airport to have a team meeting.
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October 6, 2016 11:56am
- mikenmild
  
  They had already been fucked though…
  
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  October 6, 2016 12:05pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    You saying that was a predictable win ?
    
    But NOT score
    
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    October 6, 2016 12:19pm
  - SPC
    
    4 times by one player.
    
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    October 6, 2016 12:26pm
wikiriwhis business

No one could understand how the FBI – Federal Bureau of Investigation let Hillary Clinton off with no charges in her email scandal. It’s clear she was guilty. This explains EVERYTHING.
natl.io/myb39V
https://www.facebook.com/rangic/posts/10205779710611842?comment_id=10205779870455838&notif_t=feed_comment&notif_id=1475707532882810
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October 6, 2016 12:03pm
wikiriwhis business

The death of mainstream media

With its dishonest and shifty endorsement of Hillary Clinton, I believe the New York Times has finally come out of the closet as an unabashed gatekeeper of the status quo. I suppose this makes sense since the paper has become the ultimate status quo journalistic publication. The sad truth is the publication has been living on borrowed time and a borrowed reputation for a long time. Long on prestige, it remains very short on substance when it comes to fighting difficult battles in the public interest. Content with its position of power and influence within the current paradigm, the paper doesn’t want to rock the boat. What the New York Times is actually telling its readers with the Hillary Clinton endorsement is that it likes things just the way they are, and will fight hard to keep them that way. It is as much a part of the American establishment as any government institution.

Prediction: Trump wins partly because people who don’t even like him want to inflict punishment on the mainstream media.— Michael Krieger (@LibertyBlitz) September 13, 2016

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/055517_mainstream_media_Hillary_Clinton_election.html#ixzz4MFughwdX
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October 6, 2016 12:17pm
wikiriwhis business

Deutsche Bank Stock Crashes Near Single-Digits As CDS Spike To Record Highs

The “most systemically dangerous bank in the world” is in grave trouble. Despite exclamations that there is “no need for additional capital” and that “Deutsche Bank is no Lehman” investors are fleeing the bank’s assets en masse as professionals pile in to buy counterparty risk protection. With the only thing standing between bank runs and stability being the confidence of depositors, and knowing full well that everybody lies when it gets serious, one witty trader noted, “if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman… it is Lehman.”
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/finanace/deutsche-bank-finished-share-price-almost-single-digits/
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October 6, 2016 12:30pm
wikiriwhis business

Submission Guide: The Intelligence and Security Bill

What the Bill does

The Bill will replaced the four separate Acts currently governing security and intelligence[1]. In their place there will be a single piece of legislation, the Security and Intelligence Act, which will set out how all of the organisations which work on intelligence and security can behave.

One of the biggest changes is that there will no longer be a meaningful distinction between which agencies can legally monitor New Zealanders; both the Government Security Communications Bureau (GCSB) and the Security Intelligence Service (SIS) can spy on Kiwis.

The new Bill will introduce a warrant system, including a ‘triple lock’ protection for any warrant involving a New Zealander, which means approval by the Attorney-General and a Commissioner of Intelligence Warrants (a former High Court Judge). The Inspector General of the Intelligence Services (IGIS) also has the right to review these warrants.

Warrants will allow the agencies to do things that would otherwise be illegal when monitoring New Zealanders, like set up bugs in someone’s house, tap their phone, or seize their belongings.

The Foreign Affairs and Defence Select Committee is now receiving submissions on the Security and Intelligence Bill. In your submission might want to raise some of the following points:

The definition of national security as it relates to the act needs to be a matter of public debate, and should be drawn very narrowly. Kiwis should feel confident that their right to protest will be protected
The Select Committee should pay particular attention to the experiences of people who have been unfairly or disproportionately targeted by security agencies in the past.
Many members of the public are concerned with the potential for NZ spy agencies to share data with foreign organisations, and are looking for strict guidelines about what kind of information will be shared and under what circumstances.
Increased co-operation between the GCSB and the NZSIS must not lead to a slow creep towards surveillance that has traditionally been reserved for international intelligence gathering, including the collection of metadata.
Warrants are still available for ‘classes of people’, which is very concerning as it may mean that innocent people are unfairly monitored because of their connection with friends, workmates or family.
There is an increase in the number of members to the Intelligence Select Committee (ISC), but no other significant changes have been made to parliamentary oversight.
We think that the ISC should be accountable and transparent just like other parliamentary select committees, which this bill does not do.
The new legislation specifies a new particular offense for anyone who discloses classified information. It’s crucial that there are protections for whistle-blowers under any new laws, to make sure that wrong-doing is exposed.
https://blog.greens.org.nz/2016/09/30/submission-guide-the-intelligence-and-security-bill/
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October 6, 2016 12:42pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Whistle blowers are heroes the pollies are terrified of
  
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  October 6, 2016 12:55pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Or traitors who should be executed.
    Tomatoes / Potatoes
    
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    October 6, 2016 1:17pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      Whistle blowers get statues
      
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      October 6, 2016 1:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and pigeons shit on statutes
        
        “It’s the circle of life…”
        
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        October 6, 2016 1:49pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  The US govt states if you see something say something but it still wants to kill Julian Assange for telling the truth
  
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  October 6, 2016 2:18pm
wikiriwhis business

NEW DISCOVERY: Want to know what a toilet from the time of King Hezekiah looked like? Watch this! http://go.cbn.com/13188

https://www.facebook.com/cbnnews/videos/10157673820415393/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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October 6, 2016 12:54pm
wiseowl

Does anyone know why the NZ Government gives the Clinton Foundation $6 million a year?????????
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October 6, 2016 12:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiseowl, a cursory google comes up so far with nothing .
  
  Please source ?
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:06pm
wikiriwhis business

Excellent news!

In a worst-case scenario the IMF also fears that a wave of populist politics across the US and Europe could send globalisation into reverse with protectionist policies hitting international trade, investment and migration, sending the world plunging into a prolonged period of stagnation.

The warning came after the IMF cut its growth forecasts for a series of countries around the world, leaving Britain the fastest growing economy in the G7.

Global debt hits all-time high of $152 trillion as IMF warns of world-wide economic stagnation

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/05/global-debt-hits-all-time-high-of-152-trillion-as-imf-warns-of-w/
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October 6, 2016 12:58pm
Manolo

Do they look Syrian?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3824362/11-000-migrants-saved-Med-just-two-days-Growing-numbers-children-pregnant-women-death-boats-calm-seas-encourage-fresh-influx.html
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October 6, 2016 1:01pm
- SPC
  
  Migrants are African, refugees are Syrian/Afghanis
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , no they look North African . Anyhow you will find the more typical Daily Mail staple fare far more titillating ( excuse the pun ),
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3808021/Outrage-saleswoman-forced-strip-sell-diamonds-popular-jewellery-store-China.h
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:10pm
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    You agree these people should be sent back to where they came from, shouldn’t you?
    
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    October 6, 2016 1:15pm
stephieboy

Manolo, anyone who can not show themselves as a bona fide refugee should be sent back.

Those who are genuine refugees will obviously much like here need to go through a security vetting process before acceptance .

Agreed ?
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October 6, 2016 1:22pm
- SPC
  
  There is case for sending refugees who queue jump back to camps – they should apply from there.
  
  Why should refugees who commit criminal acts be rewarded for it, while those who do not remain in camps?
  
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  October 6, 2016 2:57pm
wikiriwhis business

Conspiracy explained

In case you missed it, what Wells Fargo did, in the post-2008 age of responsible banking, was disgusting. Wells Fargo wanted to continue to look like a growing financial institution, but the problem for them was the only way you grow as a bank is to get additional new customers, or to have your existing customers expand the number of accounts they individually have. Wells Fargo’s solution was to start, illegally, opening up accounts in their own customer’s names. These accounts were opened without the knowledge of their customers, and were usually closed before anything bad happened, but in many cases, penalties and overdraft charges were placed upon the unknowing customers. Wells Fargo was basically stealing from their own accounts. The expanded account base made it seem like Wells Fargo was expanding their customer base, and it allowed them to keep up with Wall Street expectations, falsely inflating the stock price, and allowing the bank’s executive class to steal millions of dollars in fraudulent gains.

Let me take a quick moment to explain the modern Wall Street. Used to be, if you were a publicly traded company on a Wall Street market, your stock price was directly tied to the quarterly performance of the company. If a company had a good quarter, their stock prices went up. If they had a bad quarter, the company’s stock went down. The stock market was meant to be a marketplace for wealthy investors to find up and coming businesses who might give them a return on their investment. Occasionally it was a great return, but most of the time is was luke warm at best. The company’s success was generally tied to the health of the US economy as a whole, and the quarterly internal company reports. The stock market was never intended to primarily be a ‘get rich quick’ scheme. There were always some people who’d gamble on future earnings, but it was considered to be reckless and unwise to gamble money like that.

Things started changing in the 1970’s. A new mentality started to arise; the Wall Street speculators insisted they were the REAL geniuses, and THEIR bets on future corporate earnings should be the standard the company was held too. When the company achieved THEIR expectations, the company was rewarded, but when a company didn’t acheive THEIR expectations, even when the company had a very profitable quarter, the company was labeled a failure, needing to be punished. Many companies had great years, but because it wasn’t as profitable as the speculators thought it should be, rightly or wrongly, the company suffered overall. That’s insane. It’s very Las Vegas: I’m playing 21. I have 17 and I tell the dealer to hit me, because I’m convinced the next card is a 4 or lower. It’s a Jack. I then insist I didn’t lose, rather the dealer is the real bad guy for not giving me the card I wanted. It’s a system based on false standards, very easily manipulated. If you’re a dishonest executive, all you have to do is find out where the speculators think your company should be, and then manipulate the profit margins of your own company to exceed it; instant millions in your stock portfolio.

http://progressivecitizenx.blogspot.co.nz/2016/10/take-it-to-bank.html
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October 6, 2016 1:23pm
SGA

Stuff

Prime Minister John Key says that Aaron Smith has “clearly let himself and those that are close to him down,” following an indiscretion with a woman in a public toilet.

I’m gobsmacked that the PM felt the need to comment at all.
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October 6, 2016 1:36pm
- Kimbo
  
  Quite right! He should have referred it to the Minister responsibilities for Disabled Persons and/or Health and Safety 😉
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:47pm
- Gabby
  
  And you’re disappointed that Andy hasn’t promised public toilets for poor kiwis to shag in, aren’t you?
  
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  October 6, 2016 8:38pm
Manolo

Clinton supporter and another Hollywood useful idiot?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/actor-jamie-foxx-visits-venezuela-president-maduro-192313727.html

Actor Jamie Foxx has met with President Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela.

State media said Foxx was there to support the country’s socialist revolution and attend the signing of an agreement between Venezuela and its allies for the construction of houses for the poor.
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October 6, 2016 1:42pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Poor mans Terry Crews.
  
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  October 6, 2016 2:00pm
  - Morrissey
    
    AgentBallSack, you say some silly things, but that’s one of the silliest.
    
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    October 6, 2016 4:26pm
Griff

Hurricane Mathew a cat 4 storm is forecast to hit Florida sometime tomorrow night. If it hits it would be the second storm this year.
Mass evacuations have been ordered for Floridian and North Carolina .
The latest model run has the storm running along the coast before turning out to sea then doing a loop and returning to hit Florida a second time.
https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2016/Hurricane-Matthew?map=ensmodel
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October 6, 2016 1:44pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Poor New Jersey again.
  But a diagram of the storm shows it turning up the coast instead of straight ahead across country.
  
  Bizarre ?
  
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  October 6, 2016 1:58pm
  - Kimbo
    
    No doubt (((EAD))) will enlighten us if it is part of an international conspiracy 😉
    
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    October 6, 2016 2:32pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      Let’s hope he’s ready for the coming collapse
      
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      October 6, 2016 3:05pm
tom hunter

Now that is the weirdest Atlantic hurricane storm track I’ve ever seen. Hard to believe it’ll pan out like that. They must be awfully confident about an Atlantic ridge or some such thing pushing the hurricane back.

I reckon the standard will prevail; it’ll hit up and along the coast of Florida and then keep heading north and out into the Atlantic.
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October 6, 2016 1:48pm
- Griff
  
  That is the latest modal run average track.
  There is another storm “Nicole” to the north east.
  It may be the interaction between the two that makes the models see it do the loopdeloop.
  Some runs have it doing three or more loops over Florida
  Others see it doing as you say .
  Here is the full spread of runs http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/14L_tracks_latest.png
  I have been watching this storm for the last week .
  It has done some really weird things already including getting far stronger quicker than any one was forecasting .
  
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  October 6, 2016 2:03pm
wikiriwhis business

An exciting new book from #1 New York Times bestselling author Edward Klein!

When FBI Director James Comey announced in July that Hillary Clinton would not be indicted for mishandling classified information, America was stunned.

Had the scandal-happy Clintons escaped justice once again? Not so fast, says investigative reporter and bestselling author Ed Klein. There is far more behind Comey’s shocking press conference than meets the eye — and a minefield of email evidence between Hillary and the White House.

In his astonishing new book, Klein uncovers the real story behind Hillary’s email scandals and the dirty political games that have kept her one step ahead of the law – for now. Klein reveals what the FBI’s team of 150+ investigators really found on Clinton’s server. How Comey originally threatened to resign over White House attempts to intervene in the investigation, and his secret plan to go around the Justice Department if needed. How an unprecedented Congressional investigation during an election year is uncovering new shocking evidence of corruption on a level some would call treason. And what Bill and Hillary still have left in their bag of tricks in their desperate quest to get back into the Oval Office.

https://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Sin-Uncovering-Corruption-Investigation/dp/1621576418/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1475669438&sr=8-1&keywords=guilty+as+sin&linkCode=sl1&tag=m103-20&linkId=2aecd65b5fe78dbfa2e545ef380eb630
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October 6, 2016 2:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiki ,
  
  “What You Need To Know About Ed Klein, Author Of New Book Smearing Obama”,
  
  The New York Post yesterday published the first excerpts from an upcoming biography on President Obama by Edward Klein, “The Amateur.”
  
  In the Post’s excerpt, Klein alleges that former President Clinton called President Obama an “amateur” and desperately tried to convince Hillary to resign as Secretary of State and challenge Obama in the Democratic primaries this year. (The Clintons swiftly and forcefully denied the claims.) The article was prominently featured on the Drudge Report.
  
  Although you wouldn’t know it from reading the New York Post, the Drudge Report or other popular right-wing outlets, Klein is a discredited author with a history of presenting falsehoods as fact. Here’s what you need to know about Edward Klein:..”
  
  Promoted a shameful and blatantly untrue claim that Bill raped Hillary
  
  Even Conservative critics describe Klein writings as “prurient tabloiding ” and rubbish
  
  Klein has made a career out of leaving” knuckle prints ” on famous woman including of course Hillary Clinton, Jackie Kennedy and Katie Couric etc ,
  
  https://thinkprogress.org/what-you-need-to-know-about-ed-klein-author-of-new-book-smearing-obama-37bcd3a81b4f#.58g6xb6yv
  
  Belongs in there same genre as Trash Lit like Gary Byrne’s” Crises of Character ” who made a false claim that the Clinton’s tried to have him assassinated .
  
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  October 6, 2016 2:30pm
  - Manolo
    
    Any amateur would take exception to being compared at the incompetent Messiah!
    
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    October 6, 2016 3:25pm
- Fletch
  
  Just started reading it. Not pretty, of course. But then, nothing connected with Hillary is.
  
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  October 6, 2016 3:27pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Like your false claims about Obama’s” sealed” records and of course birth certificate conspiracy .
    
    Of course read as and delude as much as you like !
    
    Sucker .. !
    
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    October 6, 2016 3:34pm
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      stephie, his records ARE sealed. That issue isn’t even under debate. It’s the “why” that is debated.
      
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      October 6, 2016 3:35pm
Nostradamus

News of the day (so far):

1. The Aaron Smith incident becomes the leading news item.

2. Andrew Little declares a national crisis in New Zealand rugby and calls for an urgent inquiry.

3. Helen Clark abandons her quest to become United Nations Secretary-General and announces that she’s available to assist with matters affecting our national interest.

4. Aaron Smith begs for privacy “at this difficult time” (whilst negotiating an exclusive interview deal with Woman’s Day).

5. Helen Clark announces that she has extensive experience with crisis management and, in particular, she has extensive experience with crisis management involving (alleged) airport toilet incidents.

We await the next news bulletin with interest!
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October 6, 2016 2:09pm
- dad4justice
  
  Nice one Nostra.
  
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  October 6, 2016 2:46pm
- starboard
  
  LOL..very good.
  
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  October 6, 2016 5:10pm
wikiriwhis business

Spain Is without a National Government — And Spaniards Are Digging It

With neither major party able to secure a majority of seats in the national legislature and the two parties unable to agree on a coalition government, for the last 10 months Spain has had a do-nothing caretaker government for the first time in its history. While basic government services continue, no new legislation is being proposed, foreign policy is stuck in place, and many infrastructure and other government projects are frozen. In contrast to dire predictions of chaos, everything is proceeding smoothly and some Spaniards are learning a valuable lesson about the resilience of society when left to its own (voluntary) devices. The lesson has been pithily summed up by Felix Pastor, a language teacher, who states:

No government, no thieves.

Mr. Pastor believes that, without politicians around to inflict more harm, Spain could last without a government “until hell freezes over.”

Website editor Ignacio Escolar agrees,

A lot of people said we would go to hell if we didn’t form a government. But we’re still here.

And Ana Cancela, a civil servant, recognizes the corruption and incompetence endemic to political institutions,

We already knew that politicians were corrupt, but now we also see that they can’t even make politics work.

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/spain-is-without-a-national-government-and-spaniards-are-digging-it
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October 6, 2016 2:46pm
wikiriwhis business

Denby Ayr‎

I have had a eureka moment regarding the Corrupt NZ police and their techniques….
Basically , if at first you dont succeed to find damming evidence on your first two searches you will maraculously find it on the THIRD search and it will enable you to convince the jury that the man in the dock is the guilty party…..
for example in the case of a Mr Thomas who was later found to be below the standard of Reasonable Doubt…. “On 27 October 1970, the garden at the Crewe house was searched for a third time and a cartridge case was found”
Then add in a Mr Watson who is being denied justice currently… a blanket searched by the DSIR had only dark hairs and then it was searched again, again only dark hairs BUT after an investigation of Olivia’s Hairbrush a THIRD search of the blanket hairs found two Blonde hairs (and the evidence bag was found to have a hole in it”

Can anybody think of another case where it was third time lucky with a search by the Keystone Cops?
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October 6, 2016 3:03pm
Fletch

THANKS famous Hollywood actors!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM240RCo1TA
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October 6, 2016 3:34pm
- RalphT
  
  Were they? Can’t say I recognised any of them before I gave up. Obviously I’m not watching enough crappy American television. Or to put it another way, if I didn’t recognise any of them then I am watching exactly the right amount of crappy American television.
  
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  October 6, 2016 4:07pm
  - Fletch
    
    Ralph, no they weren’t. The video is in response to this one BY Hollywood actors.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRp1CK_X_Yw
    
    I guess you have had to have seen this one first.
    
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    October 6, 2016 5:10pm
wikiriwhis business

Auckland International Airport evacuated

he Auckland International Airport is being evacuated.

The circumstances are not yet known, but people in the terminal were reporting, just after 2pm, on social media that an evacuation was in progress.

An airport spokeswoman said they were evacuating the terminal after what is thought to be a fire alarm activation on the first floor.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11723831
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October 6, 2016 3:50pm
- starboard
  
  Overboard again at Auckland Airport.
  They would evacuate the place if they saw 2 flies walk in holding hands.
  
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  October 6, 2016 5:12pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Must mean Helen has come home to sulk
  
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  October 6, 2016 5:36pm
wikiriwhis business

Peter O’Connor: Government hell-bent on dismantling public education, says Auckland professor

Make no mistake, Minister of Education Hekia Parata is on a mission to systematically dismantle public education. Changes already in place and those planned will radically alter the education landscape in New Zealand.

Public education serves many purposes. It prepares young people for a life of work, teaching basic skills in literacy and numeracy. This is seen as its primary purpose by the minister. It also offers something much greater.

After World War II the consensus was that schooling served wider social purposes than individual achievement. The war had sprung from extremist views caused by social and economic uncertainty and inequality. Public education was seen as vital to protecting democracy from these twin threats. It became part of a highly successful global agenda to reduce inequality so the poor could make enough money to own their homes and have a stake in their world.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11722160
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October 6, 2016 4:30pm
- Reid
  
  Public education serves many purposes.
  
  It sure does. It teaches boys how to grow up and become girly men with no balls. It teaches girls how to grow up and become sluts or, when they’re not being slutty, how to be men in terms of agression, because its so so femine to be aggressive, like men, isn’t it. It doesn’t teach anyone about “outdated” virtues that built our civilisation, because we’re now much much more “advanced.” It doesn’t teach anyone how to be good parents, good people, or good at anything, except being materialistic air-headed bimbos, as if that matters at all, in life.
  
  The modern teaching “profession” in backing almost to a man the politically correct communist poison have, like journalists, abrogated their responsibilities to those they serve.
  
  Haven’t they.
  
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  October 6, 2016 7:13pm
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wikiriwhis business ( in receivership )

You’re having a fab day today cutting and pasting, business that bad is it ?
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October 6, 2016 5:15pm
RF

The playboy Smith is no different to that other plonker SBW who shagged a girl in the toilet. All good healthy fun as long as you are not in a relationship or high profile profession.

Smiths downfall is that he has been thinking with the wrong head and not listening to instructions from Tew.

Going by his previous form he is a liability and should just piss off. Leopards do not change their spots.
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October 6, 2016 5:49pm
starboard

aww I disagree, he got caught having a shag in the shit house, big deal, I’m jealous. Good work Smithy.
Like to smack the fuckers who sat outside the toilet door..shove their camera right up their japanese flag.
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October 6, 2016 5:53pm
- RF
  
  Jesus H Christ. Sorry mate but I do not believe ABs can walk on water or turn water into wine.
  
  Smith & SBW are studs with no brains.
  
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  October 6, 2016 8:18pm
Don the Kiwi

Very cool electioneering ads – or are they? 😉

http://www.scifiwright.com/2016/10/two-vids/#more-16869
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October 6, 2016 5:53pm
cha

Aww, thin skinned narcissist doesn’t like peoples nasty adds.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299473-trump-threatens-to-sue-over-nasty-campaign-ads
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October 6, 2016 6:07pm
graham

Wow. Straight on the heels of
DPF’s post about the Herald hiring Rachel Stewart some of the commenters at YourNZ get rather nasty.

https://yournz.org/2016/10/06/open-forum-thursday-99/#comment-137573
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October 6, 2016 6:31pm
- nasska
  
  Scratch a socialist & you’ll find someone who sincerely believes that violence is okay provided it’s ‘for the cause’.
  
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  October 6, 2016 7:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Graham:
  
  I’ve followed this guy (who has commented under many Kiwiblog identities – see my analysis here) in his various fluctuations between slightly mad and completely unhinged.
  
  For sheer entertainment value – start here and read JoeAverage1948’s comments through to here. You’re welcome!
  
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  October 6, 2016 7:33pm
  - graham
    
    Ha, that explains a lot! Thanks Nostradamus.
    
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    October 6, 2016 8:09pm
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    Great entertainment thanks Nostra.
    
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    October 6, 2016 8:16pm
Manolo

Another lovely example of integration from across the Tasman:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3824491/Melbourne-families-siege-notorious-African-Apex-gang-reveal-protect-attacks.html
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October 6, 2016 6:35pm
stigie

“Will release the memoirs after D4J releases his book”

Gonna be waiting a long time then ABS because the first chapter never got finished and probably was all lies !~
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October 6, 2016 6:37pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Damn he stole my premise.
  One chapter long and full of lies!
  
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  October 6, 2016 7:19pm
Stars And Stripes

http://www.salon.com/2016/09/30/trump-loving-pennsylvania-mayor-under-fire-for-posting-racist-meme-depicting-obama-lynching/

Wonder how this guy would go in local body politics in NZ.
Would definitely get the SJW in a frenzy.
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October 6, 2016 7:33pm
RRM

Re: the former fairfax columnist now writing for the herald…

reading between the lines, I think that whole thing is DPF’s way of letting us know he’s finally found the perfect woman.

And what’s not to like?

Great looks, great political opinions, great attitude.

I would. In a New York Minute!

❤❤❤
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October 6, 2016 7:40pm
- nasska
  
  Surely not while there’s dogs on the street! 🙂
  
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  October 6, 2016 7:54pm
- stigie
  
  And a dark back alley was also mentioned RRM..?
  
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  October 6, 2016 7:56pm
  - RRM
    
    Stygie – be still, my beating heart! 😀
    The world is divided into two parts; men who’ve been there, and men who want to go there…
    
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    October 6, 2016 9:11pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  One quality you forgot to mention is that she bats for the other team but some guys find this a challenge so every man to his own.
  I personally know two guys who managed to turn dykes.
  
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  October 6, 2016 8:01pm
  - sam green
    
    I imagine you know some who have turned women into dykes too.
    
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    October 6, 2016 8:50pm
    - nasska
      
      Offhand, I can think of an academic who did that to a woman who went on to enjoy political renown.
      
      Peter someone! 🙂
      
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      October 6, 2016 8:55pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Who went on to enjoy political renown – the academic or the woman? 🙂
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “LA International Airport, where the big jet engines roar…”
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj8f30Iguw0
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:14pm
      - stigie
        
        “I can think of an academic who did that to a woman who went on to enjoy political renown.”
        
        And enjoy Heather from all accounts Nasska..?
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:14pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        This article – Clark’s aide home to marry partner – may help Nasska with his fading memory.
        
        Heather Simpson, the long-term assistant of former prime minister Helen Clark who was once known as H2, has returned from New York to marry her partner, Sue Veart, in Wellington.
        …
        Simpson has been working for Clark in New York since the former prime minister took over as head of the United Nations Development Programme in April. Veart, who recently quit after 10 years in managerial jobs at Porirua City Council, will join her long-term partner there.
        
        So Sue joined Helen and Heather in New York for a happy threesome reunion. The only person who wasn’t there, apparently, was Peter – the article doesn’t mention him once!
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:29pm
      - stigie
        
        Wonder how Peter feels missing out Nostra or is he getting down and dirty back here in NZ..?
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:36pm
      - nasska
        
        Thanks Nostra. It all gets very confusing! ?
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:41pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Actually no I don’t Sam but I do confess to knowing a couple of chicks who were so fat and ugly that they could not find a guy to give them some sword so they went chasing putang instead.
      
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      October 6, 2016 8:59pm
      - sam green
        
        Jeez you know a lot of dykes mate.
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:43pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Yeah there is a branch office for the Labour Party in town.
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:49pm
      - sam green
        
        Did you join or something?
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:50pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        No but now you mention it the poor buggers are nearly bankrupt so I should have paid my membership just out of pity.
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:54pm
  - RRM
    
    Stars – that’s funny, my high school mate has been such an awful experience to at least three women that he’s turned them to the other side..
    
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    October 6, 2016 9:13pm
- wiseowl
  
  rrm ,She’s gay.
  Can’t be the perfect woman.
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:21pm
Reid

Excellent article on the capabilities of the S-300VM Russia’s just deployed to Syria in response to US aggression.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Giant-Gladiator.html
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October 6, 2016 7:40pm
big bruv

Damn that Rachel Stewart is one fat and ugly chick.
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October 6, 2016 7:46pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Should have jersey number 2
  
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  October 6, 2016 8:20pm
Reid

That awkward moment when you realise…

…You are the terrorists.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/05/dual-citizen-terrorists/
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October 6, 2016 8:31pm
- Reid
  
  To the morons who downtick, answer this, I dare you:
  
  What have the Neocons given us in return for their interminable wars on terror? National security? What a joke. The United States of America and her citizens have never in history been less secure than today, with each succeeding day making us more vulnerable to nationwide disasters.
  
  The Neocons, with their control of television, have conned Americans into such a surreal existence, that few of us try to understand who we are fighting or why.
  
  Are we fighting al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, ISIL, al-Nusra, or the Islamic State? It is all purposely made complex so we will turn a blind eye to the daily crimes committed by those who run our Department of Defense – the Neocons.
  
  You might find it difficult to believe, but the Defense Department lists sixty terrorist organizations, more than enough to keep the Rothschild-owned military/industrial complex busy, with both dead bodies and bucks piling up.
  
  How many of us even know that five trillion dollars is five million dollars times a million – an incomprehensible figure for any human being.
  
  The Neocons have no interest in any of that money being used for practical facilities, such as desalination plants, which could make the deserts bloom and help end starvation and death in our world.
  
  There is no sane reason the Blacks of Africa have to continually suffer with starvation, disease, and genocide; a fraction of the trillions of US dollars the Neocons have spent on destruction and death, they could have used to end hunger in Africa.
  
  So go on dummies, answer that.
  
  You can’t, can you.
  
  Case closed.
  
  Verdict: guilty.
  
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  October 6, 2016 9:10pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I did not downtick your original post but never the less I will say that even if all that money had been spent in Africa I am 100% certain it would be no better off as the cause of it’s problems is basically a low IQ tribal bunch of primitives who will never achieve anything, not lack of money.
    
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    October 6, 2016 9:17pm
    - Reid
      
      So it’s up to us higher IQ nations to help it out, isn’t it. Sadly, since its full of minerals, none of us want to do anything but gain control of those. Facts on the ground, over decades.
      
      Right?
      
      So ask yourself, who in our higher IQ nations are REALLY controlling our decisions, because it’s not you and I good-hearted people, is it.
      
      Otherwise facts on the ground over decades would be different, wouldn’t they.
      
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      October 6, 2016 9:23pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Actually I don’t think it is our job to help it out.
        I believe the only people who can really change Africa is the Africans themselves and as of yet I don’t see many hopeful signs in this area.
        Bloodlust is still the norm.
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:27pm
      - Reid
        
        It’d probably help them if we didn’t rape it though.
        
        Wouldn’t it?
        
        Congo has so many resources it should be as rich as Saudi Arabia. Yet it’s a shithole.
        
        How come?
        
        Yemen?
        
        Things are a lot cheaper if you make it a shithole and pay the local warlord in beads and blankets (I’m being polite of course).
        
        Funny how no-one at the UN or the MSM protests when it happens.
        
        Almost as if they’re as corrupt as the bastards who “own” the minerals.
        
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        October 6, 2016 9:36pm
      - RRM
        
        Rule 19.0: When Forum user “Reid” asks a rhetorical question, take one drink.
        
        19.1 if the rhetorical question is dripping with palpable intellectual snobbery, refill and drain your glass.
        
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        October 6, 2016 10:22pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      My wife and myself spent about 6 months backpacking through southern and eastern Africa about 15 years ago Reid and I’m sorry to report that what we saw only could be described as a catastrophe but more to the point one caused just about purely through corruption, stupidity and greed by the locals.
      Just about all the infrastructure left by the colonials is rundown or totally broken, the civil service is just used as patronage for the ruling tribe and so on.
      Now sorry but the white man is not to blame for this state of affairs.
      
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      October 6, 2016 9:46pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes but geopolitics doesn’t work at the back-packing level and geopolitics is what’s under discussion.
        
        Geopolitics in Western nations works by corporations bribing politicians via their need to raise massive re-election funds to vote to send in the military and covert assets to subvert the tiny coterie of the target nation’s rulers so they grant mineral “concessions” to said corporations. If a target politician in the subverting nation choses to follow his or her conscience and not co-operate the corporations simply fund their political rival.
        
        Nothing to do with backpacking and romantic notions of democracy.
        
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        October 6, 2016 10:09pm
Reid

In what would under other circumstances likely be a major media spectacle, Politico reported that the Obama administration is moving to dismiss charges against an arms dealer whom it had accused of selling weapons destined for Libyan rebels and who had threatened to expose Hillary Clinton’s talks about arming anti-Qaddafi rebels.

According to a motion filed in federal court in Phoenix, the DOJ on Monday filed a motion to drop the case against the arms dealer, an American named Marc Turi. One potential reason for the surprising move is that as Politico writes, the deal averts a trial that threatened to cast additional scrutiny on Hillary Clinton’s private emails as Secretary of State, and to expose reported Central Intelligence Agency attempts to arm rebels fighting Libyan leader Moammar Qadhafi.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-04/doj-drops-charges-against-arms-dealer-who-threatened-expose-hillary-arming-islamic-e

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/05/doj-abruptly-drops-case-against-gun-runner-who-threatened-to-reveal-clintons-libya-dealings.html

Don’t you feel sorry for people so reality challenged they still support Killary over Trump?

Not me, BTW. I just think they’re fucking morons. There is no other alternative.
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October 6, 2016 8:37pm
Left Right and Centre

All Black toilet skank ratings . . .
Aaron could get quite a few skanks in there, sure.
What about Julian Savea ?
Kieran Reid ? I mean – AB Captain, hello ? Skanktismo good times. Probably just do them like sheep – two mins each – like instant noodles. Had enough of that tasty snack, neeeeext – oooo, what’s this – asian flavour – yeah – come in bitch, let’s have ya.

This could only be better if there were two ABs tag teaming a tank of skanks in there – you take her low, I’ll take her high – oh yeah.

And maybe someone ‘coming off the bench’ . . .

If someone’s gonna film shit – might as well get the team sponsor wallpaper on the door.

Aaron was simply confused – she asked him to nail her like a Springbok. I blame sports psych brainwashing.

Well – maybe she *was* a bit disabled afterwards. You’d want nothing less from a gym ripped rugby player – smashed her bro. Come on – she’d want a light limp minimum.

Game over 2016 – top story hands down holding hand rails – AB toilet sex story.

Waiting for the feminazis to turn this latest one into ‘rape culture’ etc

Hey – at least it was a chick – that’s all anyone really cares about – hahahaha, man on oh man now that *would* be a story !!
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October 7, 2016 4:08am
Left Right and Centre

The fucking NZ Herald hires her as a columnist.

Maybe she threatened to break their legs too ?
Hopefully the only thing seriously at risk of ever being broken by this non-binary looking human are mirrors and reflective surfaces . . .
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