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William of Ockham

Goodbye Donald and the Trumpeters

Tax Dodgers
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October 4, 2016 8:00am
- Inandout
  
  If he was a tax dodger he didn’t follow tax rules. If he did, it is perfectly legal, like millions of us self employed do.
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Inandout , dare you to reveal to us the secrets of your ” legal” tax dodging ?
    
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    October 4, 2016 8:22am
    - calendar girl
      
      Do your own research on how tax rules work, stephie. You’re misrepresenting what Inandout said.
      
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      October 4, 2016 8:52am
    - Inandout
      
      Tax regulations seem lost on your simple socialist mind. Stephie, the money that WINZ gives you and your migrants doesn’t grow on trees, it comes from hard working kiwis. The less money I donate to some lazy bastard living off my labours the better I feel. The rest I donate hopefully helps support the really worthy causes in our society.
      
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      October 4, 2016 9:06am
      - stephieboy
        
        tsk,tsk , tsk , just focus on those secrets that could raise the interest of the IRD.
        
        You hard working and your worthy causes ?
        
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        October 4, 2016 11:39am
      - labrator
        
        @stephieboy something isn’t secret just because you aren’t aware of it, just like ignorance of the law isn’t a defence.
        
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        October 4, 2016 12:06pm
    - starboard
      
      You can bet $$$ that Helen Clark has her affairs set up in such a way that she pays minimal tax on her plethora of rental properties. She doesn’t even pay tax on her $500 000 per year UN job. How bad is that ?
      
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      October 4, 2016 11:08am
      - Paulus
        
        Her pay is in US$ and is actually paid by New Zealand to the UN I understand.
        
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        October 4, 2016 1:23pm
- SPC
  
  Comment on Trump tax returns – including the fact that none of Trump’s tax proposals end tax breaks for property developers, but will extend tax advantages (while reducing the tax rate).
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11721639
  
  List of Trump comments on tax.
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37535643
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:45am
- dave_c_
  
  See the Clinton foundation has also indicated they used exactly the same ‘techniques’ to minimise their tax obligations.
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:56am
- Garbageman
  
  Great thanks William for fkn up GD right from the first post usually the Trump/Clinton tit for tat drivel doesn’t start until a bit further down the page
  
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  October 4, 2016 10:21am
- All_on_Red
  
  Now now, leave Willy alone. Like all true patriots and socialists pure at heart, he hired expensive Tax Accountants to do his returns, then he ignored their advice and paid more Tax than he needed too. Right William?
  
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  October 4, 2016 11:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , of course, we have all sinned and fallen short of God’s glory except possibly Trump and his disciples ?
    
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    October 4, 2016 11:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      You’re an idiot Stephie
      
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      October 4, 2016 12:09pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Funny, Hillary Clinton used exactly the same tax deduction to save $700K last year. Goodbye Crooked Hillary ?
  
  The NYT used an even more “suspect” deduction when it already made a significant profit, to pay no tax.
  
  And when will the IRS insider who leaked this information be tracked down ? Never of course because they’re allowed to do this to enemies of Hillary and the Democrats.
  
  Pity that the independence of the US Justice system should come to such an ignominious end isn’t it.
  
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  October 4, 2016 12:15pm
Manolo

Even the FBI seems to be in Clinton’s pocket:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/fbi-agreed-to-destroy-laptops-clinton-aides-with-immunity-deal-sources-say.html

Sources said the arrangement with former Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills and ex-campaign staffer Heather Samuelson also limited the search to no later than Jan. 31, 2015. This meant investigators could not review documents for the period after the email server became public — in turn preventing the bureau from discovering if there was any evidence of obstruction of justice, sources said.

The Republican-led House Judiciary Committee fired off a letter Monday to Attorney General Loretta Lynch asking why the DOJ and FBI agreed to the restrictive terms, including that the FBI would destroy the laptops after finishing the search.
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October 4, 2016 8:07am
- Fletch
  
  http://amzn.to/2dzw7pf
  
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  October 4, 2016 11:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Klein and his “sources” are back, reporting easily debunked nonsense that conservatives will eat up
    
    Fletch , as a die-hard birther and sealed records you would believe in anything ,
    
    One of the unfortunate side effects of the Clintons’ return to electoral politics will be the rise of the hacks, a narrow class of ethically dubious “journalists” who understand that conservatives have an endless hunger for Clinton “dirt” and aren’t overly concerned when it comes to sourcing or credibility. The most prominent of these opportunist hacks is Ed Klein, the former editor-in-chief of the New York Times Magazine who long ago slid into the journalistic gutter and found he was well-suited to the environment.
    
    http://www.salon.com/2015/03/16/ed_kleins_new_hack_job_a_credibility_vacant_opportunist_strikes_again/
    
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    October 4, 2016 11:36am
  - RF
    
    As they all say….. crooked Hillary.
    
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    October 4, 2016 9:33pm
EAD

So, after the ‘blackwashing’ of history that came to light last week (just google American Inventors if you hadn’t heard the story) it appears Google have been advancing their owners agenda again…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1901544/google-promotes-controversial-claim-its-not-possible-for-ethnic-minorities-to-be-racist-against-white-people/

Google promotes controversial claim it’s NOT possible for ethnic minorities to be racist against white people

And if you’ve got some spare time, google for images of European People Art or American Musicians.

They don’t even hide their agenda any more.
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October 4, 2016 8:11am
- mikenmild
  
  But, more to the point, is constant railing against Jews racism?
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:15am
  - EAD
    
    You be the judge MM. Here is a typical post of mine from yesterday’s GD.
    
    President of the Conference of European Rabbis, Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt:
    
    “Muslims are Jews’ natural allies in Europe, Jews are fighting alongside their Muslim brothers against Old Europe.”
    
    https://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/229343-jewish-muslim-minorities-tolerance/
    
    Is pointing out what was actually said by a prominent Jewish person acting in his capacity as a Jewish leader “racism” as you like to define it?
    
    But more to the point, and before invoke Godwins Law, did you google “American Inventors” and what were your thoughts on what Google have done?
    
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    October 4, 2016 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , The Sun and you are deluded . I just googled Black Racism and look what I got among the many ,
  
  https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259664/its-time-call-out-black-racism-daniel-greenfield
  
  Not to be outdone Jewish Racism :Trump Admirer Dave Duke ,
  
  http://davidduke.com/tag/jewish-racism/
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:16am
- sam green
  
  Wow EAD – The Sun – classy.
  
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  October 4, 2016 11:52am
oldpark

Heard the trade union spin merchants on the radio this morning on the so called junior doctors pending strike. The lies have been enhanced by some clown from the trade union controlled Lie-bour Party and how it is woe all around for the junior doctors. The truth is all their claims have been resolved if they care to admit it. They are gearing up to hold the country to ransom, a sticking point. Their claim, they now want paid for rostered days off, a red herring thrown in to hide their greed,probably put forwarded by Angry Andy Little’s trade union puppet masters. Seems for the next twelve months leading up to the election ,the trade union movement ,will continue to disrupt the quality of life for NZs. Of course aided and abetted by the joined at the hip Green/Lie-bour Party’s.
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October 4, 2016 8:12am
- G152
  
  We should applaud the liebor movements assistance in giving the National led government a third term.
  Maybe they can help out to a fourth term ?
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:31am
Manolo

Imagine they scandal if he’d claim to be Trump’s child:
https://www.facebook.com/Danney-Williams-Clinton-1704956276415563/
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October 4, 2016 8:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, sorry to spoil the fantasy the claim is apparently a real fantasy,
  
  Clinton Didn’t Father Hooker’s Son
  
  “A claim by Bobbie Ann Williams, a Little Rock prostitute, that her son, Danny, was fathered by Bill Clinton has been proven false by DNA analysis. Star, the tabloid that first published Gennifer Flowers? claim that she had been one of Clinton?s lovers, was reported to have paid Williams “a low six-figure” sum for exclusive rights to the story. It arranged to have Danny?s DNA checked against that of the President. On January 9, the Drudge Report broke the news that Time magazine had learned that the DNA tests cleared Clinton….”
  
  http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/clinton-didnt-father-hookers-son/
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:29am
EAD

I actually laughed out loud at this one – white male from the BBC gets his marching orders to be race replaced with “diversity”

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-bbc-begins-devouring-its-children.html

If that was a normal person, in a normal job I’d feel a lot of sympathy but the MSM with the likes of the BBC as it’s vanguard, has been injecting it’s PC poison into the public psyche for decades.

It’s like the the wealthy who flaunt their PS credentials and their love of “diversity” whilst living in highly homogeneous suburbs who finally get robbed by the 3rd world newcomers they’re happy for the working class plebs to “integrate” with.

The sad thing though, as the author in the article points out – is that even after he has been given his marching orders, he still seeks to grovel to the PC commissars with right on bullsh*t.
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October 4, 2016 8:27am
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Ead, you are supposed to be the financial guru on KB. do you know about Deutch Banks melt down yet
  
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  October 4, 2016 12:33pm
  - EAD
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/latest_poll-45.html#comment-1781281
    
    Posted three weeks ago (i.e. before the meltdown) when Deutschebank shares were at 3 month highs.
    
    Down 30% in three weeks – their meltdown began literally the day after I shorted them!
    
    Fair to say that I’ve (and the 6 of my clients who are into trading markets in both directions) made a small fortune off this trade…..
    
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    October 4, 2016 5:07pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Any new prediction of a total global economic collapse? It’s about a year since your last effort, so you should be up for a new prophecy by now.
      
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      October 4, 2016 5:13pm
    - Aliog
      
      You have 6 ‘clients’? Wow. Have they all bought gold and moved to the hills? I confess that I laugh out loud every time you claim to have clients…unless it’s the Hitler Youth ?
      
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      October 4, 2016 6:32pm
      - EAD
        
        Sadly Aliog,
        
        I’m guessing by your limited ability to read what I wrote, I’m guessing you probably don’t have the intellect to have made something of yourself and unfortunately you won’t have the funds to invest with me.
        
        Let alone be one of the 6 who are happy to short markets rather than the typical long only client.
        
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        October 4, 2016 7:51pm
      - mikenmild
        
        How did your ‘clients’ react to last year’s failed prediction of economic Armageddon?
        
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        October 4, 2016 8:00pm
William of Ockham

Gosh, I wish I looked “sick” and “unhealthy” and was at “death’s door” if the vivacious and quick-witted Mrs Clinton is any guide.

Never mind. Donnie’s got his fake tan and mental breakdowns on twitter to fall back on.
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October 4, 2016 8:28am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Another idiot with nothing better to do with his time but fixate on Trump. I don’t see the logic in it, so I guess you’re just a troll. Not even a very good one.
  
  How about instead of the constant negative ones about someone you hate, you run off and find something positive to post about Hillary? Although to be fair, that would be pretty fucking hard.
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:55am
cmm

Yesterday Mojo Mathers was asked about her take on the 100k kiwis program on RNZ.

Not good enough she said. It is wrong that people are expected to pay some of this voluntarily. The government should fund it all.

So, Mojo, where do you think the government money comes from? It comes from tax which comes from exactly the same people as would otherwise voluntarily pay towards the 100k kiwis.

Now as you’re possibly aware there is a difference: tax is money extracted from people by coercion and threatening violence.

So basically you would rather people pay money under threat of violence than voluntarily.

Astounding.
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October 4, 2016 8:31am
- itstricky
  
  Is it not obvious enough, what she’s really saying?
  
  Or do you micro analyse everything so that you can have a whine about how hard life is on you?
  
  don’t think you’re stupid enough to think she is stupid enough to be saying what you are suggesting.
  
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  October 4, 2016 1:26pm
  - cmm
    
    “Is it not obvious enough, what she’s really saying?” Pray tell, what is she really saying?
    
    ” how hard life is on you?” Life is not hard on me. I’m not whining.
    
    What I have a concern with is that we’re paying an MP approx $200k+ (inc benefits) to say stupid stuff like this.
    
    Many people will voluntarily support the Kiwi effort without having to be threatened with violence (what tax is). What I think the Greens don’t like is that this proves that programs can work without the state taking over – something that really goes up the nose of the extreme socialists.
    
    I actually know, or at least knew, Mojo Mathers and her family personally when they lived in Coalgate, so I know she’s not stupid. She also has a Maths degree.
    
    But since then she’s been drinking the Green juice for 12 years or so and now ideology trumps reason.
    
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    October 4, 2016 2:39pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Remind me not to pay my taxes, now that I know I have to be threatened with violence before I need to pay. Previously, I have only been threatened with penalty interest.
      
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      October 4, 2016 2:47pm
      - itstricky
        
        I suppose, if you wait long enough, being thrown in jail by a couple of cops is violence. Those damn “laws” and the stinking “lawyers” – if they didn’t exist I could get to Taupo sooo much quicker.
        
        One can only presume, as always, that cmm has never ever ever availed him/herself of any public function in his/her life. That money would have been violently ripped off other citizens – you wouldn’t want to be flaunting that around now, would you?
        
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        October 4, 2016 3:05pm
    - itstricky
      
      What I think the Greens don’t like is that this proves that programs can work without the state taking over
      
      What an over egged piece of rubbish. She’s simply saying that she thinks that The Government should be footing the entire bill. Hey, it’s our national symbol..but then again, hey, maybe there are more important things like health and education. You’ve decided, however, that the “hidden stupidity” of her comments RE:tax or the “secret meaning” RE: socialist’s hidden agendas are more important. Methinks you’ve spent faaarrrr tooo much time trying to dream up some obscure objection to her statements just so you can point a finger and say “oh look how dumb she is”.
      
      Let me help you with this all:
      
      cmm does not agree with the Mathers’ notion that The Government should foot the whole bill because s/he doesn’t think that the portion of tax dollars (which don’t BELONG to cmm, by the way) could be better spent elsewhere.
      
      Done. Sorted. Dusted. See, easy, wasn’t it?
      
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      October 4, 2016 3:02pm
- Morrissey
  
  One very bewildered soul called “cmm” wrote in apparent high seriousness: “…tax is money extracted from people by coercion and threatening violence.”
  
  I nominate this as possibly the most idiotic and ideologically addled statement to appear on Kiwiblog this year. Quite an achievement.
  
  https://media4.giphy.com/media/DKiI2927B1xFC/200_s.gif
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:16pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Uh, huh.
    
    So just out of interest, if tax is so wonderful, how much extra do you personally donate of your own free will above the officially-determined level for the sake of New Zealand?
    
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    October 4, 2016 10:27pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I pay my taxes. Your idol Bob Jones should do the same.
      
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      October 5, 2016 9:13am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, I didn’t ask that – try again – how much extra do you donate above that which is “compulsory”?
        
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        October 5, 2016 9:15am
- RF
  
  Mojo means well and I believe she is genuine with her beliefs. Her disability is quite daunting however she does not let this slow her down.
  
  I believe the greens use her as a trophy as it currently suits their image. They will dump her once she is passed her use by date.
  
  I hear the unpopular female co leader does not favour Mojo.
  
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  October 4, 2016 10:00pm
William of Ockham

Will Drumpf’s tax returns ever be released?

Will they show he’s lost his marbles?
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October 4, 2016 8:33am
- Colville
  
  Trump has offered to release his tax returns. Right after Hillary releases the 30,000 “lost” emails.
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:38am
  - itstricky
    
    Pathetic diversion
    
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    October 4, 2016 10:00am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Don’t worry, the IRS will illegally “leak” Trump’s tax returns, and in return they will not be prosecuted by any Democrat administration. Because justice is now on sale.
      
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      October 4, 2016 12:18pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      Correct. Only Dotcom is relevant. Everything else on MSM is a distraction. Although they probably aren’t covering Deutsch Banks failure
      
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      October 4, 2016 12:30pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    Wiki leaks has come out today apparently. have not seen the official leaks yet
    
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    October 4, 2016 12:31pm
Simon

He bashed her with a hammer just as the Koran commands.
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October 4, 2016 8:42am
- EAD
  
  The most amazing thing about this story Simon? The way the MSM casually mentions that he has “two wives” as if it is no big deal?
  
  Did I miss something or is bigamy legal now in New Zealand?
  
  It’s like earlier in the year when two homosexual men publicly announced via facebook that they want someone to “have their baby”. The real issue here according to the MSM was how many people had “liked”, “shared” and were “touched” by the story. I’m pretty sure most of the public were aghast at what these sodomites were planning.
  
  But then again, the job of the MSM as they see it is to change public opinion (or move the polls as per a previous infamous quote)
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:46am
  - Simon
    
    Two wives clearly this for NZ’s cultural enrichment.
    
    He hammered one of them pretty good. Just as well no Human Rights legislation was breached. Though he must be in the clear to be able to worship and carry out the instructions of his particular sky fairy.
    
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    October 4, 2016 9:30am
    - wiseowl
      
      This case is actually a serious matter and Kiwis should be up in arms about it.
      The guy should be deported and he can take his wives and five kids with him.
      This is an example of how soft touch NZ will slowly succumb to Islam and if we don’t stop this UN plan to infect the west now, we are in big trouble.
      
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      October 4, 2016 12:48pm
      - sooty
        
        Is this this idiot on a benifet, does he get paid for both wives, how is he getting paid for the children. I think the second wife and her kids should be recieving nothing, no benny, no WWF, nothing. Fit in or duck off!
        
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        October 4, 2016 6:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Bigamy like Polygamy is illegal in NZ in terms of the Marriage Act which defines marriage as a union between two people .
    
    And how do we know the offender Akash is actually a Muslim ?
    
    Unfortunately, NZ has witnessed many kinds of brutal crimes not committed exclusively by migrants .
    
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    October 4, 2016 1:06pm
    - wiseowl
      
      Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.
      
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      October 4, 2016 7:38pm
pdm

Did they have hammers when the Koran was first known?
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October 4, 2016 8:45am
- Simon
  
  Mohammer Time.
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Allah the ‘ammer
    
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    October 4, 2016 10:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      ‘ammer akbar
      
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      October 4, 2016 10:31am
dave_c_

BILL GATES’ PHILANTHROPY: 30,000 INDIAN GIRLS USED AS GUINEA PIGS TO TEST CANCER VACCINE
If anyone still believes that Gates has any humanity left in him and does nothing but good works with his ill gotten gains, then you need to understand he is still the corporate animal.
http://www.govtslaves.info/bill-gates-philanthropy-30000-indian-girls-used-as-guinea-pigs-to-test-cancer-vaccine/
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October 4, 2016 8:54am
- Keeping Stock
  
  One look at that website told me everything I need to know dave_c_.
  
  I am a proud member of Rotary. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has committed hundreds of millions of dollars to the eradication of polio, in partnership with Rotary International. It’s working too; there have only been 24 new cases of the wild polio virus to date in 2016, compared with 76 at the same time last year.
  
  For every dollar raised by Rotary world-wide, the Gates Foundation donates $2, up to $35 million per year. Together, Gates and Rotary will eradicate polio. So pardon me if I don’t take the claims of a group of conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat-wearers as gospel.
  
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  October 4, 2016 10:19am
  - dave_c_
    
    He may have done some good things, but a leopard never changes his spots
    “Eugenics and Bill Gates: Software billionaire Bill Gates, who previously has advocated the reduction of the human population through the use of vaccines”
    So, Keeping Stock, you seem to be prepared to live with a degree of bad with the good ?
    
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    October 4, 2016 2:16pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Al Capone did lots of similar public relations work. It would be better if Gates paid his taxes.
    
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    October 5, 2016 9:16am
Manolo

Europe is a mess, a big mess, thanks to the Muslim invasion:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3819704/Send-failed-asylum-seekers-unihabited-Greek-islands-parts-Africa-Czech-leader-calls-Brussels-bring-new-measures-deter-migration.html

The Czech president has called for hundreds of thousands of economic migrants who have arrived in Europe to be sent to uninhabited Greek islands.

Milos Zeman said the only solution to the continent’s migrant crisis was to deport those not fleeing war and he suggested they could be sent to ’empty parts’ of Africa. He claimed ‘less than one-third’ of the one million arrivals last year were genuine refugees.
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October 4, 2016 9:20am
- Zed
  
  is it really an invasion when the elites hold the doors open and their useful idiots and PCMC media encourage it?
  
  I don’t blame people for taking advantage of European stupidity.
  
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  October 4, 2016 1:12pm
Manolo

Sell your pounds, buy greenbacks.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37538459
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October 4, 2016 10:09am
Dave Mann

@DPF: Would you please ask Kokila Patel to rename the General Debate? I think it should now be called the Daily Stephie & Manolo Show.

Thanks 😀
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October 4, 2016 10:11am
- Manolo
  
  I’m deeply touched, but totally undeserving of such honour. Thank you, anyway.
  
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  October 4, 2016 10:22am
  - Dave Mann
    
    De nada, hermano!
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    October 4, 2016 10:39am
- Lance
  
  More like;
  “Trump is crazy vs Hillary is crooked daily shouting match”
  
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  October 4, 2016 12:26pm
cha

Oh dear…

weird https://t.co/Blv5wX7GVP pic.twitter.com/hNCKVPC5Ob— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) October 3, 2016
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October 4, 2016 10:22am
starboard

Scottchris camped outside ticketek for 2 nights just so he could get the first ticket ( you were seen scotty)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/84915273/justin-bieber-is-bringing-his-purpose-world-tour-to-new-zealand
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October 4, 2016 10:48am
- mikenmild
  
  I didn’t realise you were a Belieber, starboard. Thought you would be more a Foster & Allen or 60s showband sort of guy.
  
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  October 4, 2016 10:53am
- stigie
  
  Thought he had a business to run Starbored rather than hoping to see Justin Bieber..?
  
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  October 4, 2016 10:55am
  - starboard
    
    Don’t think he grooms cars on a Saturday night
    
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    October 4, 2016 11:03am
cha

heh

( nsfw / cannot be unseen)

@realDonaldTrump That being said, your sex tape is extremely gross pic.twitter.com/SkBA8ZBZVx— CAFE (@cafedotcom) October 3, 2016
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October 4, 2016 10:54am
starboard

Foster and Allen gives me gas, as does country music. I prefer the good old early 70’s stuff, CCR, Pink Floyd , Peter Frampton, Stones etc. Nothing like cruising Southland’s wide open roads in the old Vette with Mick screaming brown sugar in ya ear.
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October 4, 2016 10:59am
Manolo

Arriving in hordes:
The administration admitted a total of 12,587 Syrian refugees during the just-ended fiscal year.

The vast majority are Sunni Muslims – 12,363 (98.2%) – while another 103 are identified in State Department Refugee Processing Center data simply as Muslims, and a further 20 as Shi’a Muslims.

Sixty-eight of the 12,587 Syrian refugees (0.5%) are Christians.
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October 4, 2016 11:27am
- cha
  
  (0.5%) are Christians.
  
  meh, savages all
  
  The reason behind Haddad’s resignation is thought to be a crime he committed in the 1980s, for which he spent five years in prison. In 1982, Haddad was convicted in connection to murder of his sister. She was murdered after she, a Christian, married a Muslim man.
  
  https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160930-jordanian-minister-resigns-24hrs-after-being-sworn-in/
  
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  October 4, 2016 11:46am
Fletch

A university professor takes a stand and refuses to call students by their own ‘genderless pronouns’, even though the mad Canadians could soon make it law.

This week, University of Toronto psychology professor Jordan Peterson released a video online criticizing political correctness on campus. He also said he doesn’t recognize a person’s right to be addressed using genderless pronouns like “they” instead of “he” or “she.”

Under the proposed Federal law Bill C-16, it will become illegal to discriminate on the basis of gender identity or expression. As It Happens host Carol Off spoke with Peterson about his position.

They also quote from a professor living and working in Toronto (but who is a NZ citizen), an A.W Peet, who identifies as neither a man nor a woman.

I am a non-binary person, and to call me “he” would assume that I’m a man; to call me “she” would assume that I’m a woman, and I’m actually a non-binary person. I went to the trouble of getting a passport from the country I’m a citizen of, New Zealand, which has an unspecified gender. New Zealand is one of the maybe half-dozen countries in the world that issues the so-called non-gender passport. – A.W Peet

Well, lets give ourselves a big hand, Kiwis, for being one of the few countries that issues “non-gender” passports. Well done (and yes, I am being sarcastic). I bet if we pulled down Peet’s trousers, we could very quickly ascertain whether “they” was a man or a woman.

Anyway, back to the professor –

Jordan Peterson: The mere fact that professor Peet would like to be addressed by a particular pronoun does not mean that I am required to address him by that pronoun. That doesn’t mean that I deny his existence or the existence of people who don’t fit neatly in binary gender categories. I reserve the right to use my own language and I’m perfectly willing to take that to its conclusion. If it’s the case that I can’t use my language the way that I see fit, because I’m using my language to formulate and articulate the truth in the clearest manner I can possibly manage and if that lands me in legal trouble — well, so be it.

Carol Off: Professor Peterson, why have you said you don’t recognize another person’s right to determine what pronouns you use to address them?

Jordan Peterson: That’s right. I don’t recognize that. I don’t recognize another person’s right to decide what words I’m going to use, especially when the words they want me to use, first of all, are non-standard elements of the English language and they are constructs of a small coterie of ideologically motivated people. They might have a point but I’m not going to say their words for them.

MORE – http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.3786140/i-m-not-a-bigot-meet-the-u-of-t-prof-who-refuses-to-use-genderless-pronouns-1.3786144

The world is going completely, and utterly NUTS.
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October 4, 2016 11:28am
- Fletch
  
  ps, here is how you remember which is which.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOL2sSYKM0
  
  You’re welcome.
  
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  October 4, 2016 12:53pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  People use words to describe the world as they see it. How can you know in advance how a 3rd party wants to be addressed? Can you read their mind?
  
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  October 4, 2016 1:31pm
  - Fletch
    
    There is the world as they see it, then there are facts. We should not all be forced to override reality because of someone’s delusion. It’s not good for them, and it isn’t good for society to pretend something is true when it isn’t.
    
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    October 4, 2016 3:53pm
    - Reid
      
      And yet somehow, we ARE all forced to, and none of you seem to think that’s at all strange, no plan, just another bunch of stuff that accidently happened.
      
      Again and again and again and again.
      
      Aren’t sheeple just the biggest dumbfucks in the whole wide world.
      
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      October 4, 2016 5:18pm
Keeping Stock

Her Warship is in the wars again, slagging off a blogger:

Subject: Time to quit the SPIN Hayden and try some SUBSTANCE?

Open Letter

When are you going to do an article of substance instead of spin Hayden?

Like on the ‘widespread culture of corruption’ that exists at Auckland Council and is being exposed in the Auckland HIgh Court now?

Seen this?

Also – who died and made Generation Zero & The Spinoff the last word in giving voting guidelines to electors?

In my view, you are both effectively mouthpieces for the NZ Property Council.

And if you support PPPs for key infrastructure, as does your protégée, Chloe Swarbrick – you are also a mouthpiece for multi-nationals.

How ‘establishment’ and ‘old hat’ is THAT?

The Spinoff – cool?

Hipster?

Yeah/ nah – in my opinion, just more young fresh-faced wolf cubs spouting more stale, disproven Neo- liberal pro-corporate 1% bollocks.

(Yawn …..)

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://thespinoff.co.nz/featured/30-09-2016/an-open-letter-from-penny-bright-to-the-spinoff/

It’s yet another bizarre rant from Her Warship, and not dissimilar to her style when she rants on Kiwiblog.

But given that it’s less than two years since she told the NZ Herald that “I don’t do gossip or personal comments. I don’t do political dirt.”, isn’t time she came clean and admitted that gossip, personal comments and political dirt are EXACTLY what she does?
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October 4, 2016 11:47am
stephieboy

Fletch , the world is not going nuts . Most people ( perhaps excluding you) use good old fashioned common sense , ignore potty professors and get on with their lives.

Nobody tells you , me or anyone else for that matter whether to use or not genderless pronouns !
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October 4, 2016 11:52am
- Fletch
  
  stephie, the Canadian law, by way of the proposed Federal law Bill C-16, could soon make it against the law for Canadians not to refer to people by their so-called preferred pronouns. That is the whole thing he is railing against.
  
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  October 4, 2016 12:41pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lX_nHA-R2A
As Predicted, Deutsche Bank Is Failing, ATMs Go Dark
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October 4, 2016 12:24pm
wikiriwhis business

Top Bank In Canada ATM Cards Just Went Dark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElRHvywSK4
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October 4, 2016 12:24pm
wikiriwhis business

A few people have asked why is Penny Bright not paying her rates.
Technically it’s cos the council have roughly 800 obligations under the local govenment act and ratepayers have like 3.
Penny noticed that the council isn’t actually fulfilling any of it’s lawful requirements in regards to the spending of ratepayers money, so, she’s disputing and refusing to pay rates till the council open up the books as they’re required to do by law.
Instead of doing so, Auckland Council CEO Steven Town lied and defamed Penny, saying she’d made “wild and inaccurate statements”, she responded with a defamation law suit, however, instead of apologizing to Penny and paying the $10,000 from his $600,000 Salary, Mr Town got the council to spend $100,000 on lawyers to defend him against her.
Yesterday when she arrived, these pricey lawyers didn’t even have the affidavit of service, now, the case has been delayed till December 21st, a time when the entire country will be too busy on holiday to pay attention to this case that is exposing how the council is literally wasting billions of ratepayers money with 0 accountability.
https://www.facebook.com/1261190663892805/photos/a.1275975622414309.1073741828.1261190663892805/1285873874757817/?type=3&theater
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October 4, 2016 12:27pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  If that was true, Penny would have the money socked away in an account earning interest ready to pay the council. But she doesn’t so its patent bullshit.
  
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  October 4, 2016 12:46pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    Could be true. No reason it isn’t
    
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    October 4, 2016 12:56pm
  - sooty
    
    She’s going to do that rates relief thing ( I can’t
    Remember the name ) whe she gets the rates added to the house and pays no rates ever till the house is sold. Then she pays through the nose for interest, etc! Then she gets what ever is left.
    
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    October 4, 2016 6:23pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  What you really mean wikiriwhi, is that Town ALLEGEDLY “lied and defamed Penny”. That is for a court to decide, not an anonymous blogger.
  
  And anyway, as can be seen from my 11.47am, Ms Bright is not above ALLEGEDLY gilding the lily herself.
  
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  October 4, 2016 1:24pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    She is still not forced to pay her rates which I find incredible in itself. They said she had lost which was completely untrue. But remember, only Dotcom is relevant. His lawyer is confident as King Midas
    
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    October 4, 2016 1:36pm
wikiriwhis business

What’s Up This Time? All TD Bank Cards Declined, Help Number Busy

ALL TD Bank cards are being declined. This may be a temporary issue, but at the moment it looks widespread. This is the only option for people to take cash out if the banks are closed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0OsqUl-M2g
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October 4, 2016 12:39pm
wikiriwhis business

They’re HUNGRY for US Dollars as BANK RUN BEGINS: DEUTSCHE BANK CLIENTS withdraw CASH.

They’re HUNGRY for US Dollars as the BANK RUN BEGINS:
DEUTSCHE BANK HEDGE FUND CLIENTS WITHDRAW EXCESS CASH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytGU0eh1st8
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October 4, 2016 12:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiki , the world economic armageddon has arrived at last ?
  
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  October 4, 2016 1:24pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    On the tip. Just remember J Key told us Cyprus could happen here. Along with Russia and US closing diplomacy. Keep your eyes open my friend.
    
    Financial analysts are filling You Tube
    
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    October 4, 2016 1:34pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    Global Currency Reset Delayed to October 2016
    Dollar Gets Even Stronger, DXY, Strong Dollar = Weak Commodities, Strategic Event Timeline, US Ratifies IMF 2010 Quota Reforms in Spending Bill, A New Global Financial Reset Begins, China Weakens Yuan for 9th Day in a Row, Devaluation of Dollar Just Around the Corner
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-DDxDfdgY
    
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    October 4, 2016 1:51pm
wikiriwhis business

Stock Chart PROVES Deutsche Bank CRASHING Like Lehman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03Qm39Ery8
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October 4, 2016 12:59pm
Manolo

All-power-to-the-state madness:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-blocks-indiana-gov-mike-pences-plan-to-limit-syrian-refugees-1475532954?mod=e2tw

Gov. Mike Pence’s plan to restrict the settlement of Syrian refugees in Indiana remains on hold following the decision of a federal appeals court, which called it discriminatory and based on “nightmare speculation.”
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October 4, 2016 1:19pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, as the federal courts have stated based on ” nightmare speculation ” of a kind you are very familiar with !
  
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  October 4, 2016 1:22pm
Stars And Stripes

Mum of transgender child: ‘Ollie is Ollie, and we love her’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11722176
“Waikanae’s Ollie Maihi, 6, is one of a collection of young New Zealanders identified as having gender dysphoria”.

Oh god more of this rubbish again, this time a transgender 6 year old.
Another straight jacket required for this one.
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October 4, 2016 1:49pm
publicwatchdog

Ah Chloe Swarbrick 🙂

Who, at just 22 has her own private marketing consultancy company called TIPS Ltd.

https://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5894487?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DTips%2520Ltd%2520%26mode%3Dstandard%26advancedPanel%3Dtru

TIPS LIMITED (5894487) Registered

What a WONDERFUL thing to be able to put on your future (corporate marketing ) CV!

That because of your social media marketing ‘savvy’ – you were able to, in my opinion, (suck in) oops! ‘persuade’ thousands of Aucklanders to vote for you, because you presented as a fresh-faced millennial, purportedly advocating for the disadvantaged and disenfranchised – while simultaneously supporting privatisation via Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs), and intensification via the Auckland Unitary Plan.

Sorry Chloe, but as fellow Auckland Mayoral candidate, I’m calling you out as, in my opinion, an effective mouthpiece for multi-national companies and commercial property developers.

In my view, the Auckland voting public have been CONNED, by yet another CONsultant.

Sold a ‘pup’ – who is actually, in my view, a neo-liberal ‘wolf cub’, who actually is not actively opposed to the corrupt, corporate 1%, locally, nationally, or internationally.

(Unlike myself, who is and has been actively opposed to the following mechanisms of corrupt corporate control for years, Council (Corporate) Controlled Organisations (CCOs), Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) and the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), for years.

However, in my view, Chloe, you would not have been as successful in your very social media savvy ‘marketing’ ploy, without the assistance of mainstream corporate media?

Just calling it as I see it, as a proven ‘anti-corruption whistle-blower’.

I expect many won’t like it.

So be it.

FYI

Seen this?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1365632360116119&id=100000081045781

Help me combat the mainstream media manipulation of this 2016 Auckland Mayoral election – where I have been SO shut out of especially the televised Mayoral ‘debates’?

Why?

Because, in my view, our ‘democracy’ works according to the GOLDEN RULE.

ie: Those who have the GOLD make the RULE$.

Because I’m the only polling Auckland Mayoral candidate who is directly challenging those who have the GOLD, this election, in my view, is being rigged, and I am being effectively SHUT OUT, by mainstream media.

Why?

Because, in my considered opinion, the role of the ‘GOLDEN’ media, is to persuade the public to vote for the candidate that the majority of BIG business want you to have.

Which, in my view, is that ‘safe’ proven pair of pro-corporate hands – current Labour MP, ‘Independent’ Auckland Mayoral candidate – Phil Goff.

It’s time to ‘do a BREXIT’ Aucklanders!

Give the corporate 1% one helluva fright!

MAYOR tick BRIGHT!

Just one little tick.

Get your ballot paper and biro and make that one little TICK and FLICK it (post it – yes do that old-fashioned snail mail thing – before it’s TOO LATE!

If you don’t post your vote tomorrow – Wednesday 5 October 2016 – it will be TOO late!

Just give me a chance to CLEAN UP this corrupt corporate cronyism by the robber baron$ that is bleeding us dry!

Get over your ‘I’m over it’ feeling of apathy and disillusion with this Auckland Mayoral election!

What have you got to lose – when YOU can help make history, and send a message around the world!

(Imagine the look on PM John Key’s face, when at the Auckland Council ‘swearing in ceremony’ – it is proven anti-privatisation and anti-corruption Public Watchdog Penny Bright, who dons the Mayoral chains! 🙂

Imagine the looks on the faces of all those pro-corporate 1% ers, and their media backers!

So folks!

It’s time to STAND UP, and post your vote, so it will be counted!

Time to be a CITIZEN!

Not a SHEEP or a SLAVE!

It’s never been so easy to help make history!

Just one little tick …..

Good on you!

How hard was THAT?

Cheers!

Her Warship 😉

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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October 4, 2016 2:25pm
- Nostradamus
  
  That’s a nasty personal attack on Chloe, who (as far as I know) hasn’t attacked you publicly. FFS Penny – grow up and behave like the adult you’re supposed to be.
  
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  October 4, 2016 2:30pm
  - stigie
    
    (Imagine the look on PM John Key’s face, when at the Auckland Council ‘swearing in ceremony’ – it is proven anti-privatisation and anti-corruption Public Watchdog Penny Bright, who dons the Mayoral chains! ?
    
    FFS Bwahahahahaha !!
    
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    October 4, 2016 5:37pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      How can you say that when we all know Auckland right wingers are voting for the socialist man.
      
      Probably even Paul Henry
      
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      October 4, 2016 7:24pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    thurrp!
    
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    October 4, 2016 6:18pm
- mikenmild
  
  How many thousand votes are you expecting to be behind Chloe Swarbrick? Won’t you find it just a little bit humiliating to be so overshadowed by a 22-year-old CONsultant?
  
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  October 4, 2016 2:51pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  October 4, 2016 3:48pm
- calendar girl
  
  “…. proven anti-privatisation and anti-corruption Public Watchdog Penny Bright ……”
  
  I don’t consider that you are a “proven” anything, Ms Bright, certainly not a “Public Watchdog” on my behalf.
  
  But you have achieved recognition as a long-term, recidivist defaulter in respect of your home property rates. And you are costing Auckland’s law-abiding ratepayers significant sums of money.
  
  How about campaigning, therefore, on what would be a highly-popular personal undertaking that, if 20,000 votes are cast for you in the mayoralty election, you will pay your outstanding Auckland Council rates and penalties – in full – within three months?
  
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  October 4, 2016 4:04pm
- sooty
  
  You talk shit, Penny!
  
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  October 4, 2016 4:54pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Completely deranged.
  
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  October 4, 2016 6:16pm
- thedavincimode
  
  And dishonest.
  
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  October 4, 2016 6:17pm
- thedavincimode
  
  And hypocritical.
  
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  October 4, 2016 6:17pm
- Aliog
  
  ‘One little tick’ I said the best self-description Ms Dim has come up with yet.
  
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  October 4, 2016 6:39pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Penny:
  Just. Fuck. Off.
  You are an oxygen thief.
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:21pm
rightoverlabour

What is it with Australian owned business? Jetstar dont give a flying fuck about their cleints and have the compasion of the Gestapo. Now Bunnings is in the news for all the wrong reasons. I think we need a list of Aussi owned businesses so that we can put Kiwi interesets first. And I am an immigrant, thank God I chose the right island!
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October 4, 2016 3:18pm
Nostradamus

Oh dear – they’re having technical issues at The Standard.

On my mobile:

Due to a boot disk problem, the site will be offline until late today

And on my PC:

There’s a problem with this website’s security certificate

This might mean that someone’s trying to trick you or steal any information that you send to the server. You should close this site immediately.

I wonder if Lprent agrees that he should close the site immediately 🙂
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October 4, 2016 3:21pm
- nasska
  
  Immediately & permanently Nostra. We can’t afford to take any unnecessary risks with cyber security. 🙂
  
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  October 4, 2016 4:22pm
rightoverlabour

I see the smelly Tart is back. Fuck OFF. You are neither liked nor loved, no one takes your rantings seriously and you have less than fuck all chance of ever becoming Mayor. Go and get a job, pay your rates and have a bath.
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October 4, 2016 3:22pm
- stigie
  
  ” pay your rates and have a bath.”
  
  They won’t let me have my quota of water !~
  
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  October 4, 2016 5:41pm
Tauhei Notts

I was hoping that one of the contributors to this blog would have a good knowledge of Columbia and could explain to us what the hell happened there.
It seems to me that the government wanted to make a deal with the cruel bastards of FARC, but when it went to a citizens’ vote the politicians were told “farc off”.
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October 4, 2016 3:53pm
cha

Oh, please please please….4chan is running out of money ….but unfortunately the worlds most unpleasant man has put his hand up.

I'm open to joining the Board of Directors of 4Chan. @4chan— Martin Shkreli (@MartinShkreli) October 2, 2016

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/3/13155072/4chan-struggling-with-hosting-costs
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October 4, 2016 3:55pm
Fletch

Linda Tripp, who worked in the Clinton White House in the 90s, talked about what she saw, including Hillary’s temperament – throwing hard objects, endless screaming, profanity, paranoia.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/03/exclusive-linda-tripp-hillary-threw-hard-objects-bill-clinton/

No way is the woman suited for the White House.
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October 4, 2016 3:59pm
cha

How the fuck would a chickenhawk piece of shit with sore foosties know anything about PTSD.

I'd give my husband #Trump's message about #PTSD but he died by suicide 3yrs ago & I have to drive 5hrs to his grave pic.twitter.com/5TyLxC9LaP— Amber J. Younger (@AJ_Ski_Bum) October 3, 2016
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October 4, 2016 4:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Foghorn Leghorn??
  “I say son, that’s a bit unfair”
  
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  October 4, 2016 4:08pm
- tom hunter
  
  Trump should have just said I feel your pain.
  
  I recall lefties swooning over that line the last time it was uttered by a chickenhawk piece of shit. 🙂
  
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  October 4, 2016 5:42pm
Manolo

The philanderer slams his missus boss’s plan:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/bill-clinton-calls-obamacare-crazy-system-while-campaigning-in-michigan.html

Former president Bill Clinton appeared to take a shot at President Obama’s signature health care legislation during a campaign stop in Michigan on Monday, calling it a “crazy system” that “doesn’t make any sense.”
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October 4, 2016 4:40pm
Happychappy

I see Labour Leader Andrew Little has decided to bring back the breeding bribe for the poor with saying that they will go with David Cunliffe’s 2014 election policy.Why would you encourage people with family’s to breed more children when they can’t afford to pay or feed the children they have already. Another of several bribes that the taxpayer will have to fund so this idiot can become Prime Minister
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October 4, 2016 5:01pm
- Gabby
  
  He’s no crappy chappy. When Ponyboy’s in trouble he kicks in with a distraction.
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:48pm
Sofia

Penny Bright attacking Chloe Swarbrick

Penny, not New Zealand’s Bernie Sanders
More, morally, the Colin Craig of Local Government politics
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October 4, 2016 5:23pm
Brigitte

Question for our resident lawyers. I saw in the Colin Craig trial that Williams was a lawyer. Given he breached confidentiality (and would most likely have known about the legal suppression at the time), would he be likely to be censured/struck off the law society?
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October 4, 2016 5:24pm
- mikenmild
  
  He might not be a practising solicitor, and if not I think the Law Society has only limited powers.
  
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  October 4, 2016 5:32pm
- dad4justice
  
  The law society are much like the mob, that is, they allow mongrel dogs to foam and spray piss without consequences.
  
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  October 4, 2016 5:34pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Oh, the ironing … Early nominee for double take alert of the month.
    
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    October 4, 2016 6:07pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Found a job yet Jason?
      
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      October 4, 2016 6:55pm
      - stigie
        
        Dad knows who Jason is but not telling..?
        
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        October 4, 2016 7:25pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Looks like you’re still sniffing around chasing redbladder’s knob dad. Why not stand up by yourself and try and come up with some original material? I don’t have high expectations but at least it would be your own.
        
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        October 4, 2016 9:17pm
- Morrissey
  
  By the way, how on earth did Jordan Williams get a law degree? He seems hopelessly dim.
  
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  October 4, 2016 7:55pm
Nostradamus

It’s raining cats and dogs in final week of Auckland mayoral race

Phil Goff attended a church service for cats and dogs in central Auckland yesterday in search of votes. Vic Crone kept out of the rain, criss-crossing the city’s malls.

“It’s not over yet, not at all,” said Vic Crone from St Lukes Mall, one of half a dozen malls she visited on the last weekend in the Auckland mayoral contest.

Stephieboy: Were you at St Lukes Mall yesterday? Any thoughts on Victoria Crone?

Goff is planning an election party at a bar venue in central Auckland. Crone is still planning her party.

Penny: An election party sounds like a good idea! Will you host a party at your ramshackle home in Kingsland? (Now, in terms of liquid refreshments, would you prefer it if we brought water instead of alcohol? I only ask because water seems to be in short supply at Kingsland Manor…)
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October 4, 2016 5:38pm
- stigie
  
  Will deodorant be supplied or do we bring our own along with heaps of disinfectant..?
  
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  October 4, 2016 5:50pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    As long as you check the package labelling carefully, Stigie. We wouldn’t want you to turn up with lubricant, lest there be a misunderstanding, old chap!
    
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    October 4, 2016 6:32pm
    - stigie
      
      The misunderstanding Nostra was turning up and finding it was Penny’s house of pleasure with no running water, clean bedding and no lubricant, just vaseline available !~
      
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      October 4, 2016 6:49pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        No vaseline at the demented waterwoman’s stigie. It’s used SAE 30/40.
        
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        October 4, 2016 9:13pm
Morrissey

Jesse Mulligan: “Sometimes when I read this stuff I get the
sense that Russia are L-L-L-LOOKIN’ for trouble…”

The Panel, RNZ National, Tuesday 4 October 2016, 4:47 p.m.
Jesse Mulligan, James Nokise, Chris Wikaira

This was horrible to listen to, not only because of Mulligan’s abysmal ignorance—it’s obvious he has read virtually no “stuff” on Syria—but also because of Professor Gillespie’s mealy-mouthed performance. It seems he’s more concerned with avoiding a browbeating from his notorious right wing Waikato colleagues Ron Smith and Dov Bing than he is with informing the audience. The end effect of five minutes of Al Gillespie is similar to sitting through five minutes of a Donald Trump speech—you feel you’ve wasted your time, and you actually feel stupider at the end of it.

JESSE MULLIGAN: So let’s move on as well, and we’ll go international now, with a look at the world with Al Gillespie. The United States has suspended Syrian ceasefire talks with Russia, and they made the call after frustrations with Moscow and its ability to live up to a ceasefire agreement. That announcement comes two weeks after the most recent attempt at a ceasefire fell apart, when a humanitarian aid convoy trying to reach besieged areas of rebel-held Aleppo was destroyed by an air strike. Al Gillespie of the University of Waikato joins us now. Al, hullo there, how ARE you today?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: Hey Jessie, I’m well. Thank you.

JESSE MULLIGAN: [extended intake of breath to convey how serious he is] Who do we believe: United States or Russia?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: Well, there’s two sides to it. The Americans said they’ll only go back into the talks if the Russians stop bombing Aleppo, and the Russians say they can only stop bombing Aleppo if the Americans distinguish between the moderate rebels and Al Qaeda, which is a legitimate target.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Aaaaand is your understanding that the Russians have a POINT in that respect or do the United States deny it?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: I, uh, I, …[baffled world-weary sigh]… there’s no-o-o-o-o black and white any more in, in Syria, especially in Aleppo. And often the sides, some of those that are moderate and not meant to be targeted, blend with the ILLEGITIMATE, more religious extremists which CAN be targeted. It’s pretty hard to get a clear dividing line.

JESSE MULLIGAN: How bad news IS this, that talks have broken down between the U.S. and Russia?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: It’s very bad, I mean we can’t even get a ceasefire at the moment, so we can’t, you need a ceasefire before you can start talking about a peace plan. We need to be thinking that this conflict could go on for many years from here.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Why do ceasefires break down, Al, if uh, if no one enjoys war? [snickers nervously]

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: There’s no trust on the ground. No one believes that it’s safe to bring in aid, water, or food, and so unless you can get the most basic modicum of trust, you can’t build up.

JESSE MULLIGAN: So how do you CREATE it?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: You get the teams, well you need two things. One, people have to get tired of fighting, and neither side has to believe that they can WIN. At the moment, there’s so much money, men, and ammunition going into the fight, both sides believe that they still have the upper hand. And then you need to have confidence-building measures, and right now they can’t even achieve THAT.

JESSE MULLIGAN: [speaking very slowly, to convey thoughtfulness] Sometimes when I read this stuff I get the sense that Russia are L-L-L-LOOKIN’ for trouble, are L-L-L-LOOKIN’ to create tension with the U.S. Is that fair?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: [long pause] Ahhhhhmmm, partly, partly not. I mean, Russia’s there by a treaty it had with Syria from the early 1970s, a legitimate treaty for a defensive alliance, and Assad is still to a degree in power, so Russia’s doing what it was bound to do by treaty. The problem is, that at some point, as long as you’re propping up these sides the war will continue and you may have to, everyone just back out and see what the actual outcome is.

….Long pause…

JESSE MULLIGAN: Meanwhile, there’s this OTHER story around today, that Russia have walked away from the protocol on weapons-grade plutonium control. Can you give us a bit of background to that, Al?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: Certainly. So the nuclear arms treaty’s like a collection of documents which regulate nuclear weapons. One of the protocols was about the reduction of plutonium, surplus plutonium, so it would not be diverted to create more nuclear warheads. The Russians have suspended their talks in this protocol exactly the same day as the Americans suspended their talks about the ceasefire in Syria. It’s a blow to nuclear arms control, it’s not MASSIVE, but it’s certainly starting to wobble the architecture.

…Long pause…

JESSE MULLIGAN: And once AGA-A-AIN, if we look at both parties, do both parties have some culpability here, or is it the Russians MAKING TROUBLE?

PROFESSOR AL GILLESPIE: U-u-u-u-u-ummm, both parties have some —the Russians are saying that they can’t trust the Americans with the technology that they’re using to turn their plutonium into a safe form of nuclear material, and the Americans are saying that if they work together they can come to a compromise. So there’s good and bad on both sides.

JESSE MULLIGAN: Mmmm-kay. Finally today, the Colombian peace deal veto. You better give us some background to this as well, Al, it’ll be the first time a lot of people have HEARD about this….

…ad nauseam…

Anyone wishing to, unlike Jesse Mulligan, do some serious study of what is happening in Syria, should bypass the likes of Al Gillespie and read or listen to someone who knows what he’s talking about. There is no one better on this than Noam Chomsky….
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/5/17/noam_chomsky_on_syria_conflict_cut
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October 4, 2016 6:37pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What the fuck was all that about?
  As I said yesterday, too much morris dancing makes you go mad.
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:27pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Thought so. He can’t read more than a couple of lines.
    
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    October 5, 2016 9:17am
Nostradamus

Morrissey:

Can we take “you actually feel stupider at the end of it” as a concession that you felt stupid when you started?
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October 4, 2016 6:50pm
- Morrissey
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blpe_sGnnP4
  
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  October 4, 2016 7:29pm
Jack5

The joke sentences continue – home detention for rape.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11722260
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October 4, 2016 7:03pm
- dad4justice
  
  Judge Ruth. I remember when police did him for DIC.
  
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  October 4, 2016 7:11pm
Viking2

I see ACC is down the tubes again this year. That will make Bills books look sad again.
ACC investments strong but interest rate fall drives $3.4b deficit
Falling interest rates and the impact of Brexit have knocked a hole in ACC’s latest result, with the no-fault state insurer reporting a net deficit of $3.4 billion for the year.

The result compares with a budgeted surplus of $129 million and a surplus of $1.6b last year.

It comes despite another strong result from its investments, which earned 10.22 per cent during the year.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/84949992/acc-investments-strong-but-interest-rate-fall-drives-34b-deficit
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October 4, 2016 7:20pm
Viking2

Australian Love Poem

Of course I love ya darlin
You’re a bloody top-notch bird
And when I say you’re gorgeous
I mean every single word

So ya bum is on the big side
I don’t mind a bit of flab
It means that when I’m ready
There’s somethin’ there to grab

So your belly isn’t flat no more
I tell ya, I don’t care
So long as when I cuddle ya
I can get my arms round there

No Sheila who is your age
Has nice round perky breasts
They just gave in to gravity
But I know ya did ya best

I’m tellin’ ya the truth now
I never tell ya lies
I think itÂ’s very sexy
That you’ve got dimples on ya thighs

I swear on me nanna’s grave now
The moment that we met
I thought you was as good as
I was ever gonna get

No matter what u look like
I’ll always love ya dear
Now shut up while the cricketÂ’s on
And fetch another beer.

[Brings a lump to your throat doesn’t it.. !! ]
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October 4, 2016 7:22pm
wiseowl

Can you believe this?

Anyone catch Story with the guy that didn’t hit his wife no 1 with a hammer.
Can you believe he sat there and admitted he had two wives when he shouldn’t be in the country in the first place,has five kids and no work.
Who is paying for this cultural misfit?
He basically gives the finger to all kiwis.What an arrogant smug git.
Get out of this country .
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October 4, 2016 7:25pm
- Viking2
  
  Well you tax payers will give out money to these bludgers.
  
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  October 4, 2016 7:28pm
Viking2

The future came to Tauranga today. Its a bloody big sucker.
Went and had a look.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11722093

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/137004-aotea-maersk-pulling-into-port.html
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October 4, 2016 7:25pm
cha

Taxi Vader.

We don't normally go political on this page but this one is for @HamillHimself pic.twitter.com/Q70I9ZQaYM— It'sMarkHamill (@ItsMarkHamill) October 3, 2016

Normally I don't go political on this page either, so I'll thank you not to use it to insult my father. #DadVader #DonTheCon #ImWithHer2016 https://t.co/oVe7qMhk6j— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) October 3, 2016
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October 4, 2016 7:31pm
Morrissey

Further to our discussion yesterday about the Peter Ellis case, interested Kiwibloggers might like to have a look at the following, which deals with the manipulation of children, and specifically refers to the children who gave “evidence” against Peter Ellis….

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ourchangingworld/audio/201818622/nothing-but-the-truth-can-children-be-reliable-eyewitnesses
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October 4, 2016 7:53pm
- nasska
  
  Good article which shows how kids can embellish answers to questions without prompting. Yet Peter Ellis was convicted on the evidence of children who had been coached by their mad parents!
  
  Justice never stood a chance.
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:02pm
  - Reid
    
    Yet Peter Ellis was convicted on the evidence of children who had been coached by their mad parents!
    
    And remains convicted because two MPs family’s were involved, one of them even being involved in the bizarre affair with the investigating officer.
    
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    October 4, 2016 8:14pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Peter Ellis, Scott Watson highlight our justice system is a corrupt mess that is beyond repair!
      
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      October 4, 2016 8:18pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Not in your case old thing.
        
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        October 4, 2016 9:20pm
      - dad4justice
        
        The Peter Burns case was another highlight of judicial corruption eh Jason.
        
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        October 4, 2016 9:28pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Indeed. One of those MPs will, unfortunately, be the next mayor of Christchurch.
      
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      October 4, 2016 8:19pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Christchurch and judicial corruption go hand and hand. No wonder the quake fucked the cess pit place.
        
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        October 4, 2016 8:44pm
      - Reid
        
        I think she already is.
        
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        October 4, 2016 9:14pm
    - nasska
      
      Of the various versions of what really happened I prefer the one described by Lauda Finem Reid.
      
      It seems you do too.
      
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      October 4, 2016 8:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I was blissfully unaware that I had a creative pre-schooler until someone expressed sympathy to me for the death of my son.
  
  I told them I ‘d never had a son.
  “Oh, ” she replied, ” your daughter told me that her big brother died after he fell off his rocking horse.”
  
  I’ve never had a rocking horse, either.
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:31pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I saw ‘rocking horse’ and brain went straight to ‘rare as rocking horse shit’.
    
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    October 5, 2016 5:58am
cha

Epic SMOG.

.@timkaine helped build his career as a lawyer by defending the worst criminals in our society. America deserves better. pic.twitter.com/kt58nvloOK— GOP (@GOP) October 3, 2016

.@Popehat @GOP "Adams defended the Boston Massacre soldiers. Now he wants us to accept a constitution based on rights for those criminals."— Robert Marchini (@rhcm123) October 3, 2016
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October 4, 2016 8:12pm
cha

Meanwhile, in Egypt…..

Shoes and Chairs Go Flying in Egyptian TV Studio When Debate Turns into "Freestyle Wrestling" pic.twitter.com/ZWojjOag3X— MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) September 30, 2016
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October 4, 2016 8:25pm
Odakyu-sen

And now for something humorous (with extra helpings of generalization and stereotyping).

(This is way outside my cultural purview, but what the hell…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbiIu_EzuWk
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October 4, 2016 8:28pm
- cha
  
  Going by the six foot tall mainland born lady from the north my brother married, the stereotype rings true.
  
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  October 4, 2016 8:41pm
- nasska
  
  I’m with you Odakyu-sen. Out here in the backblocks we tend to favour women who can dress a hogget & feed out over petite femmes. 🙂
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:06pm
cha

The hour of doom live streaming soon… .

Tuesday, October 4, 2016: Live stream coverage of the Wikileaks press conference featuring Julian Assange. Assange is expected to make an announcement and release information that could be potentially damaging to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign. Live coverage will begin at 3:00 AM ET.

http://rsbn.tv/live-stream-wikileaks-julian-assange-october-surprise-press-conference/
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October 4, 2016 8:30pm
rangitoto

Anything interesting or total fizzer like Hagar and Dot Crim’s stunts.
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October 4, 2016 9:30pm
- cha
  
  45 minutes in and not a sausage.
  
  Commenters on the YouTube page are getting impatient, too.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947fP6QTmBo
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:47pm
Nostradamus

This link – a NZ Herald article on what it’s like to have sex for cash – introduces the concepts of sugar daddy and sugar baby.

Sugar daddy:

A sugar daddy who sleeps with younger men wrote that his financial arrangement was about more than sex, describing his sugar baby as “almost my best friend”.

“I’m interested in my SB getting what he wants in his life from career, to activities, to lifestyle, and even to his vanilla (outside) relationships, which happen to be mostly with girls,” the man wrote.

“Being older than him, I don’t have the same sex drive as a younger man. We often will just relax and talk at my hotel when I am in town, with no sex at all. Maybe we’ll go to an art show, or listen to a local band at a small venue, or just walk and talk. Sex is an important part of our relationship, but not the only one.”

Sugar baby:

On the other side of the coin, a male sugar baby said the best thing about sex with his sugar daddy was that “he made me feel like I was something special”.

“People my own age tend to play it cool and act uninterested, but sex with him was very passionate and very quick, and I always walked away feeling very desired,” the young man wrote. “There was no shame involved in it at all, from my end.”

Any sugar daddies or sugar babies out there in Kiwiblog land?
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October 4, 2016 9:31pm
- nasska
  
  Come on in Harriet! 🙂
  
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  October 4, 2016 9:41pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Which side of the SD/SB bedpost do you think Harriet swings from, Nasska?
    
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    October 4, 2016 9:45pm
    - nasska
      
      The mind boggles at the thought but I’ve always been given the impression that he/she is a bit long in the tooth & a touch butch.
      
      Probably a ‘top’ & a part time ‘daddy’ Nostra. 🙂
      
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      October 4, 2016 9:48pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Sounds like Harriet might fall into the “sex with him was very passionate and very quick” category then. We’ll await confirmation from Harriet (one way or the other) in due course.
        
        Which reminds me of this classic exchange:
        
        Harriet: And THAT is why I’m not gay! [My missus used to be a model…obviously not that model though…but not too bad either.]
        
        RRM: Uh, Harriet’s a pretty funny name for a dude, dude.
        
        Harriet: So you finally agree then RRM that Marriage is a funny name for 2 dudes?
        
        RRM: No I don’t – not at all. I’d be a lot more impressed if your name was Harriet, and you had a missus who used to be a model. Then maybe you two could put on a show or something.
        
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        October 4, 2016 9:55pm
BeeSting

Good to hear someone raise

ANTI WHITE RACISM

THAT IS BLATANT AND VIOLENT

AND HAS GONE ON FOR YEARS IN AUCKLAND

AND IS NOW INSTITUTIONALISED

BY THE AUCKLAND CITY COUNCIL

Got a little bit sick and tired of all the
ethnics trying to KILL me oh and that is what
they said they wanted to do

IN THEIR OWN words

Yep you need a GOOD DOG and a few other things

IN THE LAND OF DORK

Don’t you Stephie Boy
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October 4, 2016 11:52pm
- sam green
  
  Ffs – put the cork back in th bottle dude.
  
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  October 5, 2016 8:55am
Left Right and Centre

Tauranga Council pulls plug on new year event.
What a crying shame – those poor disgusting vile pant-pissing drunken trouble-making ugly smelly dumbarse gawping shit-faced black-toasted tatted ugly young dodgy feral witless foul-mouthed ignorant useless ‘unprotected skanky public space intoxisexing’ brown-eyeing louts . . .
They’ll have to find somewhere else to puke, shout, piss, litter, lie down, black out and get arrested.

(did I really hear someone put it like *only* 43 arrests last time out ? you’re shitting me boss)
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October 5, 2016 6:11am
Manolo

A good article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-04/existential-threat-to-world-order-confronts-elite-at-imf-meeting
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