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Reid

Dear Mainstream Media

Superb critique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLAzAZXi2A
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October 24, 2016 8:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Joesph Watson Alex Jones sidekick and Infowars Editor at large
  
  What conspiracy theories he along with Jones doesn’t believe in?
  
  Sigh… !
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:51am
  - Reid
    
    stupidboy, tell you what. The day you reply to the actual substance of a post I make is the day I stop calling you stupidboy. Until then…
    
    And BTW, I’ve said many times Infowars is a zionist disinformation site which you can tell quite easily by the fact it rarely to never criticises Israel despite the latter’s clear and present culpability in many of the issues InfoWars purports to address. But this is the same as many other sites I occasionally reference here, such as the Sorcha Faal site What Does It Mean which is run by Naval Intelligence.
    
    But just because these sites are like that does not mean, as idiots hallucinate, that every single thing on them is always 100% false. Morons who conclude that merely demonstrate they’re incapable of holding two conflicting ideas in their head at the same time: i.e. (for your benefit stephie) they’re completely thick. This is because propaganda doesn’t work unless there’s kernals of truth scattered within it. If the whole thing was totally based on palpable falsehoods, the only people who’d believe it are people so profoundly thick they’d make you look like a genius by comparison. And there aren’t too many of those around, are there stephie.
    
    So it’s only when I see something from those sites that has a more than usual smattering of truth in it that I bother posting it here. This was one of those.
    
    Hope that helps, but rather suspect you didn’t understand a word of it so I don’t expect your blatherific meanderings on my future Infowars/WhatDoeItMean posts to end anytime soon.
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:15am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , which begs the question as to why you posted Zionist shill Alex Jones partner Joesph Johnson in the first place .
      
      BTW , you have as yet to declare your position on Trump’s pro-Israel stance and opposition to the Iran Nuclear accord ?
      
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      October 24, 2016 12:05pm
      - lilman
        
        drone every rag head I reckon.
        
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        October 24, 2016 1:24pm
  - deadrightkev
    
    You are quite a fucken dropkick on any level Stephanie. I won’t go further.
    
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    October 24, 2016 11:56am
- EAD
  
  Reid,
  
  win or lose, perhaps the most positive thing to come out Trump’s campaign is the awakening that people have had over just how controlled and corrupt the MSM is. There is no longer any attempt at objectivity. Their whole raison d’être in this “election” is to smear and discredit Trump. They don’t even feint objectivity.
  
  Now, the majority on this blog know that the MSM ~~when reporting “news”~~ when perpetuating their agenda, on subjects such as “refugees”, “global warming”, “Putin”, “The Treaty” are corrupt as f***. whose whole purpose is to set up the New World Order of rootless debt serfs.
  
  I mean, just take a look at today’s lead article online on the NZ Herald – “Does your home earn more than you do?
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11734384
  
  The standard Kiwi home is earning more than the average worker makes from their job in seven of the country’s 12 districts.
  
  Of course, those who actually understand what money is, realise this is bullshit, as house prices don’t “earn” money – they are only inflated by the zero-asset, electronic fake-money paper money printing scam that started when Global Bankers took over the Fed in 1913 and really got cranking in 1971 when Nixon was ordered to take the US $ off the Bretton Woods gold standard. That enabled the Banksters to create unlimited Fiat to lend to the masses as an interest bearing debt to themselves.
  
  The whole purpose of ever inflating house prices is to keep the paper ponzi scheme going and to get as money people into debt before the the whole scheme collapses; due to the sheer impossibility of serving exponentially increasing debt.
  
  Most don’t delve further into the rabbit hole than Trump/refugees/global warming etc, but at a minimum people should spend some time trying to understand the agenda the controlled MSM is pushing with respect to financial matters. The agenda being pushed is everywhere.
  
  And this is the final destination: NWO – Communism by Stealth:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR-5y_gNpOY
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , these responses to your You Tube on White Genocide and Democide capture its flavour and intent ,
    
    Adolf Vukic2 months ago
    There will be heaven on EARTH as Jesus Christ-Yahshua promise us. The jew satan and his satanic mud races will be WIPE OUT !!! The jewish masiah satan coming in form of fire and jews will enjoy this fire in hell with their father satan for millennia with no END !!!
    
    Jason Andres1 month ago
    christianity benefits jews. Let me ask you a question. Does your bible have the new and old testaments? Or just the new? Do you believe in this fake jew shit? How exactly does saying jesus was a judean prove he was not a jew? How do you explain jesus being described as a jew in the bible
    
    Rather charming !
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:16am
  - Reid
    
    That’s what the ChCh earthquake and the immigration by stealth has been about EAD. Too bad the sheeple will only realise the truth when they’re standing inside the smouldering crater of their shattered hopes and dreams, isn’t it.
    
    Good news is there has been a war going on between the good guys and the bad guys and Killary is the last throw of the dice. They’re so desperate they’re throwing everything at it which is the only reason why the media is being so obviously blatent even some of the sheeple are noticing it. Their days are numbered and they’re gambling on a war to save them because that will distract the sheeple from everything else and will reset the playing field. The next few weeks are the most important in world history.
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:25am
  - wiseowl
    
    I believe that many in the msm don’t even realise what they are doing.They are too thick to think things through and are blind to the agenda.
    Someone mentioned the other day on GD about having a blog to challenge our local media people.
    I think it would be a good idea so that all these progressives can be challenged when they print opinions and biased articles that need exposing for what they are.
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:59am
    - Reid
      
      Yes I think you’re right wiseowl. Useful idiots. There are many of those in the security, defence and finance communities as well.
      
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      October 24, 2016 11:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , “useful idiots ” Huge irony factor there , eh ?
        
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        October 24, 2016 12:06pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Very interesting programme on BBC now about Ross Perot and how the Bush Quail backers undermined him.
    He was talking about voodoo economics.!
    Challenging the influence of Washington.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:29am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Slowly but surely the American voters (on both sides of the coin) are realising that they are being fed shit by the left and the media
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:12am
- SPC
  
  For mine the attempt to affect the style of John Oliver is a little misplaced.
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:32am
- deadrightkev
  
  P J Watson is simply speaking the truth and everything he says is verifiable fact. No conspiracy theory there.
  
  David Farrar needs to listen up to what Watson has to say on the media because his message is relevant to him.
  
  Farrar has become one of the bought and paid for media this election. I accept he was always bought and paid for with National but there was a hint of balance now and then.
  
  Its a shame for NZ because WO started out good and straight shooting. Then he decided to hunt down anyone that did not fit his agenda. He also decided to influence political outcomes behind the scenes.
  
  The worst thing WO did was to began culling out those who didn’t agree with him. There were quite a few of us as well. Some like me for saying nothing offensive at all. How did that work out for WO? I don’t even go there now.
  
  Farrar has cooked his goose over being a rent boy for Hillary Clinton.
  
  David, its not that you support Clinton that matters, its the clear bias you display against Trump when you should be impartial. That is the problem for me.
  
  [DPF: Strike 2. You will get suspended if you carry on like this. You DO NOT get to abuse me on on blog like this.]
  
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  October 24, 2016 12:13pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    No, DPF doesn’t have to be impartial at all. He owns this blog and we are simply readers and commenters on it. DPF has no obligation of impartiality with respect to his OWN blog.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:30pm
nasska

‘slightlyrighty’ on yesterday’s GD thread links to this Stuff article. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/85652982/did-police-use-booze-checkpoint-to-targets-elderly-women-at-euthanasia-meeting
Apparently a few old dears attended an Exit meeting in a Lower Hutt suburb & were breath tested on departure. Fair enough but the names & addresses they were forced to provide were later used by police investigating the organisation.

The influence exerted by the Godnutters & control freaks is scary. At a time when it takes Ministerial commands to get police to investigate burglaries & ‘P’ is easier to buy than ice cream somehow there are resources to waste by interrogating old ladies discussing their eventual deaths.
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October 24, 2016 8:02am
- Reid
  
  What makes you think Christians would have been involved in any way in this nasska? You need to get over your childhood mate, your twisted attitude toward them has seriously warped your thinking.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:09am
  - CHFR
    
    I am stunned nasska yoi serious believe Christians have any influence in this country anymore. More like the new “force” that has replaced it The State.
    As a Christian I stay out of everyone else’s belief’s, or lack thereof, and just ask you shut your yap about mine please.
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:22am
    - kowtow
      
      It is nasska that has the God delusions and is the God nutter . He sees God everywhere , Even in police raids. No evidence for his nutty claims. Notice he brings his delusion to practically every post he makes. Totally obsessed, Nuts.
      
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      October 24, 2016 8:29am
    - holysheet
      
      Good for you, but that doesn’t mean the rest of your sky fairy followers are not getting involved.
      The public service is full of them, and by default the state.
      
      What business has the state got in harassing these women going about their lawful business? If it was me they had stopped after atteneding such a meeting I would have refused to give them this info and got arrested. The publicity would not go well for plod.
      
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      October 24, 2016 8:35am
      - kowtow
        
        “The public service is full of them, and by default the state.”
        
        Oh dear another conspiracy theorist.
        
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        October 24, 2016 9:09am
    - Viking2
      
      There are Christians and Christians.
      The Catholics are still in control at the Beehive.
      Even if you don’t know it .
      
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      October 24, 2016 10:59am
      - kowtow
        
        Utterly ridiculous statement.
        
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        October 24, 2016 11:13am
      - MrTips
        
        yes that’s right Viking. With our powder kegs and ninja-Rosary beads, running around freestyle genuflecting and shooting transubstantiation laser beams at the public – we’re all over it like white-on-rice 🙂
        
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        October 24, 2016 12:54pm
      - kowtow
        
        Those roadblocks weren’t manned by genuine police officers from the New Zealand police. They were set up by members of Opus Dei wearing stolen uniforms and equipment . Did anyone report seeing Albinos dressed in medieval garb directing the operation? There must have been at least one or two lurking in the bushes nearby.
        
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        October 24, 2016 1:07pm
- calendar girl
  
  nasska, on the suface of that story, it sounds like a very worrying abuse of Police powers. But we shouldn’t accept at first blush anything that emanates from Stuff or the Herald.
  
  Now that the story is out there, we’re entitled to hear a public explanation of the facts from the Commissioner of Police. And I hope that Police Minister Judith Collins is asking her own pertinent questions of the Commissioner.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:33am
  - SPC
    
    Good luck with that, there may have been a political connection to it.
    
    And even if not, the government will not want much media focus on this because of the politics of managing policy in this area.
    
    The Commissioner will just say they are confronting a potential “criminal conspiracy” to assist death illegally.
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:44am
  - Viking2
    
    They will reply with lies to an OIA sometime about the 20 days.
    
    That do?
    Worse than the crims they are supposed to catch.
    
    Police have been asked who requested the roadblock, why the roadblock was in the spot – at the bottom of Dowse Dr, just west of the Dowse interchange – at the time, and whether anyone stopped was over the limit.
    
    They were asked whether it was standard procedure to seek identification before a breath test, and whether the checkpoint was part of Operation Painter, in which several elderly women have been visited by police asking about their involvement with Exit International.
    
    Police said the questions would have to be asked under the Official Information Act, which allows 20 working days for a response.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/85652982/did-police-use-booze-checkpoint-to-targets-elderly-women-at-euthanasia-meeting
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:30am
- SPC
  
  It’s a bit like the police position on alcohol licensing – trying to force their hours/open door policy to diminish the economic viability of outlets.
  
  Whereby police act in their own interest, less people drink the easier their job – so they exercise their power to serve their own agenda.
  
  In this case, excluding political influence, you have a commander doing the same because of their interest in managing activity in this area (reduce future police workload – investigation and prosecution of those involved in assisted death). An attitude that would job legitimise any private opinion (as above where closet prohibitionists would enjoy their police power to impose their will).
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:41am
  - Viking2
    
    Ah the police do not like night shift and they are still pissed with this Govt. because one of the first things required of them by the then new National Govt. was to use their resources at the time crimes were being committed or people were out of control. That meant a big roster change because most of them were working days with only skeleton crews at night.
    
    They are waiting for Labour to return so they can have the evenings off again.
    
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    October 24, 2016 11:03am
- waikatogirl
  
  Why are the police pursuing crimes that haven’t occurred as yet. These ladies may have been discussing their demise, but the last time I looked, thinking about stuff is not a crime.
  
  Members of society going about their day should not become pawns in the perceived political hot potato of dying with dignity. What the hell has got into the cops that they are chasing shadows and not out dealing with the myriad of real criminals.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:42am
  - Reid
    
    “Why are the police pursuing crimes that haven’t occurred as yet.”
    
    They’re not, they’re gathering intelligence, as they do on any movement that has the potential to become subversive.
    
    The fact that jane and joe public don’t understand how such a movement as this could possibly be subversive is simply a reflection of the fact they do not think like security professionals, rather than a demonstration that in this case, the police are wrong.
    
    I actually happen to think they are in fact wrong in this case BTW, but that’s why the police did this. And quite frankly, I’d rather have the security apparatus overreact than underreact, if there has to be a choice.
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:52am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      And there we have it,the person with the Tinfoil Crown happy for the Cops to overreact to thought crimes .
      Who is the fucking Sheep now?
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:28am
      - Reid
        
        You are, BLZ.
        
        Why do you ask?
        
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        October 24, 2016 9:39am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Really?
      
      At some point, a senior police officer made a conscious decision to undertake an operation in this manner. If you do not understand the inherent chilling nature of that thought process in the hands of someone with the resources and ability to act in this manner, then I hope you never find yourself in a position where you are legally challenging a status quo or belief that such a person may take issue with.
      
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      October 24, 2016 10:05am
      - Reid
        
        I know much more about the security state than any of the sheeple sr indeed most of my posts here are on one aspect or another. All of which are downticked vigourously by the idiot sheeple possibly because they think I’m hallucinating or worse, deliberately lying about it. So quite how you allege “I don’t understand the chilling nature” of it I’m not sure.
        
        As I said above, the sheeple don’t understand the mindset of security professionals and they don’t. I on the other hand do and I also understand the mindset of terrorists. This is not because I have been either one but because I have troubled to study the history, methods and techniques of both. Study which the sheeple could also do but don’t, and the issue is, the fools think they understand both when they actually have no idea and this is demonstrable from their palpably naive comments on the topic.
        
        As I also said above, I do think they were wrong in this particular case but from a public safety perspective, if a mistake has to be made in the first place then I’d rather they erred on making it on the one side than getting it wrong on the other. And I think that’s quite a reasonable position to take given the consequences of erring mistakenly on the side they have erred (i.e. nothing) vs the consequences of erring on the other (i.e. innocent deaths). Sorry that a few disagree with that but then that just proves the point I made about most sheeple not having the first clue about the subject.
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:31am
    - Viking2
      
      10 old ladies becoming subversive.
      
      What planet do you live on?
      
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      October 24, 2016 11:05am
      - Reid
        
        Who are you talking to V2? Me? If so perhaps you should read what I said again, for I’ve twice said in this case I didn’t think they were correct, merely that if they have to make a mistake then I’d rather they erred in that direction than the other.
        
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        October 24, 2016 11:18am
      - cmm
        
        These old ducks lived through WW2.
        
        I doubt they’ll need smelling salts because a few cops looked at their drivers’ licenses.
        
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        October 24, 2016 3:18pm
  - G152
    
    It’s easier to chase down little old ladies who are having a meeting than it is chasing down and arresting the real criminals who blight our society.
    Even so I prefer our police to those things in the US who’re nothing but an out of control gang with immunity
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:56am
    - doggone7
      
      It’s easier to chase down little old ladies in Lower Hutt and leave the tough stuff in Ngaruawahia to other people.
      
      So in the Hutt they have enough police to stop little old ladies and take the details at a “booze stop”, in other places not enough to chase burglars and in other places not enough to deal wth P dealers?
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:52am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        What tough stuff in Ngaruawahia?
        
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        October 24, 2016 11:26am
- kowtow
  
  Want to know who really has influence on our elected representatives?
  
  Who’s behind this?
  
  “New Zealand’s deputy prime minister, Bill English, cancelled a meeting with two senior Hong Kong democracy supporters this week on advice from his foreign affairs office, he said on Friday, underscoring a delicate relationship with China”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/new-zealand-abandons-meeting-hong-kong-democracy-figures
  
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  October 24, 2016 2:16pm
Reid

Great analysis from The Saker on how Trump might cleanse house if he wins.

http://thesaker.is/the-usa-are-about-to-face-the-worst-crisis-of-their-history-and-how-putins-example-might-inspire-trump/
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October 24, 2016 8:04am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  (((Washington Post))) giving Hillary a 12 point lead in poll, LOL:
  
  “This Is How WaPo’s Latest Poll Gave Hillary A 12 Point Advantage Over Trump
  
  ..Of course, like many of the recent polls from the likes of Reuters, ABC and The Washington Post, something curious emerges when you look just beneath the surface of the headline 12-point lead. ”
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/how-wapos-latest-poll-give-hillary-12-point-advantage-over-trump
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:16am
Reid

Hillary Clinton’s Strategic Ambition In A Nutshell. “Regime Change” in Russia… Putin is an Obstacle

It has become crystal clear.

For the record, here it is.

She has big ambitions, which she does not spell out for fear of frightening part of the electorate, but which are perfectly understood by her closest aides and biggest donors.

She wants to achieve regime change in Russia.

She enjoys the support of most of the State Department and much of the Pentagon, and Congress is ready to go.

The method: a repeat of the 1979 Brezinski ploy, which consisted of luring Moscow into Afghanistan, in order to get the Russians bogged down in their “Vietnam”. As the Russians are a much more peace-loving people, largely because of what they suffered in two World Wars, the Russian involvement in Afghanistan was very unpopular and can be seen as a cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

This led to the temporary reign of the drunken Boris Yeltsin who – as recounted in Strobe Talbott’s memoirs – was putty in the hands of Bill Clinton. Hillary would like to renew that sort of relationship. Putin is an obstacle.

The new version of this old strategy is to use Russia’s totally legal and justifiable efforts to save Syria from destruction in order to cause enough Russian casualties to incite anti-Putin reaction in Russia leading to his overthrow. (Note State Department spokesman John Kirby’s recent warning that Russia will soon be “sending troops home in body bags”.)

That is the prime reason why the United States is doing everything to keep the Syrian war dragging on and on. The joint Syrian-Russian offensive to recapture the rebel-held Eastern sections of Aleppo might lead to an early end of the war. U.S. reaction: a huge propaganda campaign condemning this normal military operation as “criminal”, while driving ISIS forces out of Mosul with attacks from the East, so that they will move westward into Syria, to fight against the Assad government.

Ukraine is another theater for weakening Putin.

Hillary Clinton’s ambition – made explicit by her own and her close aides’ statements about Libya in emails at the time – is to gain her place in history as victorious strategist of “regime change”, using open and covert methods (“smart power”), thus bringing recalcitrant regions under control of the “exceptional, good” nation, the United States.

This ambition is backed by possession of nuclear weapons.

I am by no means saying that this plan will succeed. But it is very clearly the plan.

The electoral circus is a distraction from such crucially serious matters.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-strategic-ambition-in-a-nutshell-regime-change-in-russia-putin-is-an-obstacle/5552264
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October 24, 2016 8:13am
- cmm
  
  I’d add a bit more to that too:
  
  Clinton would not be satisfied with just being the first woman president. She would also want to be remembered as a great president.
  
  Who are the presidents that get remembered? Wartime presidents.
  
  War is also the solution for all the impossible lollies she’s been offering. People are prepared to make concessions during a war.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:23am
  - Disaster Area
    
    I disagree. Three reasons: the most highly regarded President of recent times is Clinton who didn’t have a ‘big’ war and the least well regarded is Bush who invaded Iraq, and we all know how well that turned out. Secondly, because of Bush and Iraq the US is massively in debt and can’t afford another ‘big war’. Thirdly, after so long involved in ‘big wars’ (Iraq and Afghanistan) and ‘low intensity’ wars such as Libya for over 15 years, I think that the American population has had enough.
    I would suggest that if Clinton wants to be remembered as a great President, she should concentrate on re-building the economy and growing the number of jobs.
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:30am
    - SPC
      
      The Clinton thing has been they turned a deficit to a surplus and started to reduce debt in the 90’s. Thus she will not blow out the deficit (not that Congress will let her).
      
      Otherwise she wants to sort Obama care out, remake it her way and also improve access/reduce the cost of tertiary education. Not the sort of focus of a war-time President.
      
      She will just continue the Obama fade out from activism. IS will be a gone. The civil war in Syria will come to an end. The only states to go through the Arab spring (which the US could not ignore or oppose after their democratic regime change in Iraq rhetoric) and then absorb that impact and move on are in the Gulf, where American activism is unlikely.
      
      European policy is based on sanctions to contain Russia in the east. Whether they have any variant of this for China – given South China sea, east of China territorial/hegemony ambition time will tell.
      
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      October 24, 2016 8:55am
      - cmm
        
        She cant want a whole lot of stuff, but the maths does not stack up
        
        Wanting all these things is not enough. You need a plan than actually works.
        
        Obamacare + trying to be Bernie with free university + hand outs for all the new refugees is going to add to the deficit. It is impossible otherwise.
        
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        October 24, 2016 3:21pm
    - kowtow
      
      Clinton highly regarded? Nah.
      
      Reagan’s the highly regarded one.
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      I’m not sure you can ever say Bill Clinton was highly regarded though I guess he as not had much competition recently.
      
      Only two presidents have been impeached. Bill was one of them.
      
      Only one president has had his lawyer’s license revoked for lying under oath. Bill Clinton.
      
      But he has that “naughty boy” charm ( a bit like Winston Peters).
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:38am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Reagan wasn’t a wartime President – indeed he had the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing, killing 241 US personnel. Before then, there were a lot of Presidents trying to get out of Vietnam and Korea.
        
        In fact, given the somewhat dubious nature of a lot of US foreign conflicts, you’d have thought they’d take the hint.
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:05am
      - Reid
        
        You haven’t clearly heard of this thing called The Cold War then?
        
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        October 24, 2016 11:19am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid,
  
  if you believe in Alex Jones and Joseph Watson or RT ( read G;oral Research ) for that matter you’d believe in anything !
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:54am
- Paulus
  
  The preparation for World War III is well underway in Washington the election being irrelevant.
  The new State of Syrussia has been established in what was a northern coastal part of Syria with Assad’s blessing. The new Syrussian Mediterranean Fleet is on its way although the crapped out aircraft carrier is struggling to get there.
  A number of Military and Airforce bases are well established there already whilst the US MSM burns over Trump.
  Putin is Laughing at the US and its “allies”.
  
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  October 24, 2016 1:52pm
Manolo

The crook’s money in the bank?
http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-up-2-points-nationwide-while-clinton-campaigns-as-if-the-race-is-already-won-ibdtipp-poll/
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October 24, 2016 8:17am
Happychappy

This time next year we could be listing and reading about what Andrew Little and Labour are going to give the poor for Xmas and how much extra the wealthy will have to pay in Tax.This is not a delusion and could happen if you let a Labour, Green and NZ First government be formed and National could find themselves again looking at another long spell in opposition
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October 24, 2016 8:24am
- Disaster Area
  
  Or we could be listening to National talk about using the ‘surplus’ for tax cuts instead of investing in infrastructure or paying down debt.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Last time I looked, there is plenty of investing in infrastructure going on.
    And tax cuts in the right places actually stimulates business activity, thus growing the economy and providing more ability to pay down debt. It’s not all one-dimensional like the left seem to think.
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:58am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I was trying to point out that saying that all ‘the left’ do is offer lolly scrambles is as simplistic as saying all National do is offer tax cuts to the most wealthy.
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  My God Happychappy, that’s not a very happy thought.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:34am
- starboard
  
  National has the third term stench about it.
  
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  October 24, 2016 12:43pm
Reid

A German describes his Orwellian world under the refugees.

How anyone can’t understand this is being planned and therefore, what precisely does that say about “democracy” is beyond me.

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=16557
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October 24, 2016 8:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid, so in what ways has your informant from your link been pursued by the German Thought Police and Big Brother Merkel ?
  
  A bit of perspective is called for . 250,000 refugees and an indigenous population of 80 million .
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:09am
  - holysheet
    
    And what percentage of these shitheads have been at the fore front of crime in Germany since they were imported into the country?
    If they were a peaceful people, we would not be even discussing this. It’s only by their actions that we notice them
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:23am
Andrei

What amazes me is that the Washington ~~Pravda~~ Post made its name years ago by pulling down a sitting President for being corrupt basing its exposes on leaks

And yet today they are covering for a Presidential candidate whose corruption is unmatched in history

The money that flowed to the Clinton Foundation from unsavoury foreign regimes like Saudi Arabia and Qatar while Hillary was secretary of State is eye watering

Yet old videos of Donald Trump and claims by porn stars of propositions from him in days of yore fill the News

I guess the USA will get the president they deserve…
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October 24, 2016 8:33am
- Disaster Area
  
  Here’s the thing: Trump is recorded boasting about how he can kiss women without permission and how it is possible to ‘grab them by the pussy’ and get away with it because of his fame.
  
  Nearly a dozen women have independently come forward and said that is exactly what he did.
  
  He then calls them all liars?
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:41am
  - Reid
    
    Here’s the thing. Killary has done much much worse things, so how come the media doesn’t talk about them, at all?
    
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    October 24, 2016 8:48am
    - jonar
      
      Because all of them have been investigated and reported on all ready? There was plenty of reporting on them at the time right?
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:29am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Because this is exactly the type of deflection that Trump is employing: If he did those things he should be held to account, regardless of the behaviour of anyone else. You cannot mitigate a crime by claiming somebody else did something worse.
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:59am
  - Paulus
    
    The important thing about the US election is that Killary has targeted the women from the beginning.
    They are the deciding voters.
    Getting votes is all that counts and the feminist destruction of Trump has been paramount.
    Damn policy – that is not relevant.
    
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    October 24, 2016 1:56pm
- Reid
  
  As some of us have been saying for years and which Watson repeats in his vid in my first post above, the Western media today have betrayed their profession, they’re presstitutes, not journalists. They need to pack up and fuck off. All of them. Right across the Western world.
  
  The US won’t get “what they deserve” because they don’t deserve this. They’re a conquered nation, they’ve been captured by people who occupy key positions in the power structures and proceed to conduct themselves in treasonous ways. Sheeple don’t see it because they refuse to look. But its there and the evidence is in the actions they take.
  
  Same as in Europe, with the refugees no-one wants (except the people in key power positions including in the media).
  
  Precisely as I and one or two others have been explaining to people over the years, in my case, ever since this blog started.
  
  It’s a shame its gotten this far and taken so many lives lost before the clear and present message finally gets through, almost too late to make any difference.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:48am
  - EAD
    
    The US won’t get “what they deserve” because they don’t deserve this. They’re a conquered nation, they’ve been captured by people who occupy key positions in the power structures and proceed to conduct themselves in treasonous ways. Sheeple don’t see it because they refuse to look.
    
    Indeed – the USA is ZOG. Totally owned by a foreign power. Savant dissects this well in this blog post:
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/how-to-charm-audience.html
    
    “Listening to a Stalin speech was a risky affair. Every so often his address would be punctuated by ‘spontaneous’ applause, which seemed to go on for ever. Quite literally more time was spent applauding than actually listening. The comrades’ hands were falling off, bruised and bloody from interminable clapping, yet, with rictus grins, they continued nonetheless. Why? Because a group of eagle-eyed apparatchiks circled the hall, watching for whoever caved in first. Duly noted, the offender would never to be seen again.
    
    Same with North Korea. I often wondered how the peons would quite literally shed buckets of tears when some tyrant or other ascended to the Great Gulag In The Sky. I mean, few people express their emotions with such intensity even when a loved one dies, let alone for some tyrant who’s made your whole life a misery. We know now of course that that country’s judicial code ordains that anyone identified as showing insufficient grief will be flung to a pack of starving dogs, or will undergo some other innovative form of execution. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
    
    All of this reminded me of Netenyahu’s address to the American Congress a few years back in which he was interrupted no fewer than 29 times by ‘spontaneous’ applause from his worshipful subjects. And while there was no danger of the less enthusiastic ones being shipped off to the gulag or used as mortar target practise, the motivation was similar. To demonstrate obeisance and fealty to their powerful rulers. A truly shocking demonstration of servitude by the ‘representatives’ of a once proud nation.”
    
    Then there is bankrupt America is donating no less than $38 billion to Israel in a ten year deal to be signed over the next few days. That’s about $5,000 to every Israeli citizen, each of whom I’m sure is deeply appreciative. I’m also sure the deal requires the Israelis to discontinue stealing and selling on American technology. Congressmen are elected to look after American interests after all……
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/13/us-israel-aid-38-billion-record-military-assistance
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:14am
    - SPC
      
      It is GOP servitude to their Christian nation identity politics related to mainstream belief in end time religion – gratitude for the existence of Israel because they see it as fulfilling biblical prophecy.
      
      The donkey party just likes the donor money from Jews who prefer their more multi-cultural melting pot (liberal) mix.
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:18am
      - SPC
        
        Don’t the insecure white race CT about “those people” much, like an explanation of the actual basis of US political favour to Israel.
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD , again the posts in response to the latest Irish Savant spiel are most revealing ,
      
      Why can’t he [Mark Potok] see it?”
      
      Shaun,
      
      He can see it – he’s a Jew. Be under no illusion. This rat knows exactly what he’s doing – he’s pursuing his tribe’s agenda.
      
      Frank Galton
      
      20 March 2014 at 19:37
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      @Talmudic Frank 19:37
      
      Not true. He was brought up as a Christian.
      
      20 March 2014 at 20:34
      Anonymous said…
      The little nose behind the curtain said: “Not true. He [Mark Potok] was brought up as a Christian.”
      
      How convenient!
      
      Whether he was “brought up” as a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu, atheist etc, at the end of the day he’s still a JEW!
      
      If the JEW Potok were to apply to make Aliyah to, in the words of a French diplomat, “that shitty little country”, he would be accepted.
      
      Russian-speakers who want to make aliya could need DNA test
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:22am
  - SPC
    
    Conspiracy theory much?
    
    Conquered nation – by who?
    Oh those who captured key positions in power structures. Who conduct themselves in treasonous ways – evidenced in their (unspecified) actions.
    
    Unspecified except you then cite Europe, where people in key positions want refugees no one else wants.
    
    So the EU taking in Moslem refugees is a clue as to who this power is, that has conquered the USA and presumably also the EU.
    
    Wow, maybe one of other two might explain this further. EAD your cue.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:00am
- stephieboy
  
  Andrei , Putin, and the Kremlin should be the last to cast stones where corruption is woven into the very fabric of Russian political and economic life ,
  
  ‘So what if Putin is corrupt?’: Russia remains unmoved by offshore revelations
  
  Panama leaks have passed with little fanfare in a country where corruption is seen as part of the fabric of life
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/13/vladimi-putin-russia-unmoved-by-offshore-revelations
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:03am
  - Andrei
    
    The Clinton’s avarice and greed and the exposure of thereof have absolutely nothing to do with “Putin and the Kremlin”, Stephiebot.
    
    Its like a conjuring trick “hey look over there” says the thief as he picks your pocket
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:11am
    - SPC
      
      Equivalence has no part in the political debate … as it is so inconvenient – why do some people say look over there (others do it) when anyone questions Russian bombing of civilians in Aleppo.
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:22am
      - Andrei
        
        Actually SPC – all the crocodile tears over Aleppo are the same thing in action – the architects of this catastrophe are focussing everyone’s gaze on Aleppo while they bomb Sirte, Sana’a, Mosul and other places like Somalia and South Sudan without hardly anyone noticing noticing
        
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        October 24, 2016 9:33am
      - SPC
        
        Thanks for confirming my point and negating your own original line in your predictable response.
        
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        October 24, 2016 9:40am
- SPC
  
  It was a great opportunity for the republicans to proffer a principled respected person, who the MSM establishment could prefer to Clinton.
  
  Wasted big time. Huuuugest mistake of the digital era.
  
  Even Trump had a chance if he changed the tone after winning the nomination, but when he suggested a more moderate immigration policy – move into the centre to win, he got attacked by those who demanded he remain hard-line. He then decided to remain their champion and looooose. Those who mock the left for remaining true to their base and losing can enjoy the mirror image.
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:12am
  - PhilBest
    
    Do you not see immigration policy as a key to mobilising the serial non-voters of past elections, who care about this issue, but no candidate was offering what they wanted? This is what boosted the participation in the Republican Primary process to record levels.
    
    I would suggest that if the Democrats were serious about stopping Trump, Hillary would actually promise to simply uphold the principle of government’s first responsibility to its citizens: secure the borders, and catch return the illegals to where they came from. Why is this so “controversial”? I thought Kiwis generally support our policing of “overstayers” – why the difficulty to understand Americans who simply want a government to do the same, perfectly right thing?
    
    The politically correct madness has gone so far in the USA, that there are “sanctuary cities” – all run by P.C. Democrats – that refuse to co-operate with Federal authorities in the policing of the illegal immigration issue. One of Trump’s policy suggestion is to withhold Federal funding for a variety of things, from these cities. Again, why should this be “controversial”? NZ doesn’t have a single city that would dream of obstructing the NZ Police in its duty of arresting and deporting overstayers – who are the scofflaws on this issue in the USA? The P.C. Left are the real threat to public order on this.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:13am
- SGA
  
  Andrei
  
  I guess the USA will get the president they deserve…
  
  And that was something decided in primaries, either way.
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:21am
Notsofast

In the 2015 trial where the great hoax hunting Mark Lundy was still being played out there is a vast treasure trove.
For example proof secret witness X perjured himself is internally revealed within the trial transcripts:

Philip Morgan QC. So speaking specifically now about your conversation with Mr Lundy –
X. Mhm.
Philip Morgan QC. – when I asked you about you and he chatting, what did you chat
about?
Philip Morgan QC. Um, well we were actually going to play cards but that didn’t eventuate
but, um, I was talking about my crime, what I was in there for. He asked
me what I was in there for –
Philip Morgan QC . Yes.
X. – I told him that I was in there for a bank robbery.
Philip Morgan QC. Yes.
X. And that I wouldn’t be in there if my mum hadn’t of rung the police and
told them where I was.
Philip Morgan QC. Yes.
X. He said to me that he wouldn’t have in there if his daughter hadn’t of
come and seen what he was doing to his wife and I just carried on with
my story about my bank robbery which was kind like a little bit of talking,
you know like asking questions and, um, yeah just kept chatting about
mine. He did ask me if I’d planned mine. I was like, “No, it was just a
spur of the moment,” and I just finished off my conversation about the
crime that I did. When I finished the conversation about what I’d done
he told me that he’d been planning his for a while and that she had it
coming to her.

And later

Philip Morgan QC. In the course of this discussion that you’ve related to us, did the
accused say anything to you about waiting for something in his Court
processes?
X. Um, yeah, he told me that he was waiting for an appeal to go through.
Philip Morgan QC. Waiting for an appeal to go through. Did he explain to you what sort of
an appeal it was or to what Court?
X. No,

Now X made a dvd at the behest of the dimwits we call police in this country. In it he describes Lundy in civilian clothes saying he was waiting for an appeal. Then prosecutor Morgan called an impeccable witness with detailed logs showing the only time they were in the same locale was while Mark Lundy’s 2002 trial was wrapping up. The weekdays he was in court, the weekends were logged as available.
And only remand prisoners wear mufti. Colour coded prison garb is immediate on conviction.
So both dates and prison garb show Lundy was on trial.
Further, this guy during the 18 months discussing with the police how to help shoehorn Lundy back inside was going through a jury trial himself. He is a career criminal who understands the difference between trials and appeals.

Justice France then told the jury to figure whether this was all true. Well since they couldn’t figure Amber’s stomach contents had her dead before midnight and there was 30 liters insufficient petrol to get to the crime, despite a police witness confirming it, good luck with that.

Witness X is a sordid disgrace for all parties involved.

I kept it as brief as I could, this enduring hoax must be exposed for the safety of New Zealanders.
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October 24, 2016 9:16am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The Lundy fan club (members Lundy himself and Notsofast) are busy peddling their fantasies again.
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:50am
  - Notsofast
    
    I don’t follow your point. How does that post answer to the issues I made some effort to identify occurred at the trial? Does it not matter the police would bring to court someone they knew was a liar before they got him there?
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:13am
    - Kimbo
      
      I don’t follow your point.
      
      I believe I may be of assistance.
      
      How does that post answer to the issues I made some effort to identify occurred at the trial?
      
      Reason 1: Because it rejects you as a credible authority on this matter.
      
      Does it not matter the police would bring to court someone they knew was a liar before they got him there?
      
      Reason 2: As per reason 1, your subsequent attempt to rhetorically frame a discussion is rejected and not given the time of day.
      
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      October 24, 2016 12:06pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Kimbo, I am alleging the police brought a man whose testimony they knew to be false to court. Address that issue, not a cutout piece of nonsense by Captain Mainwaring. This is called a debate, and you are parroting forum members who hold the process in contempt. I peddle in facts, and it is clear they are unfamiliar facts in these parts.
        
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        October 24, 2016 12:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I am alleging the police brought a man whose testimony they knew to be false to court. Address that issue,…This is called a debate…I peddle in facts, and it is clear they are unfamiliar facts in these parts
        
        As per reason 1 (lack of authority/credibility to accurately report what you allege are”facts”) and the subsequent reason 2 above
        
        …you are not granted the privilege (and note, it is a privilege, not a right), of engagement from others.
        
        There, fixed that for ya! 😉
        
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        October 24, 2016 12:50pm
      - Notsofast
        
        That’s OK, I am assuming there is a wider readership than active posters. I am suggesting my OP be the subject not an idiot from Dad’s Army.
        
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        October 24, 2016 1:02pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Plenty of readers I see, assuming content is read before being flattered with voting attention. There is serious international interest in what Rod Miller did because the FDA disallow the practice in America. Steve Bustin is the world’s leading authority on the forensic issues, and at trial was withering in cross examination of the RNA process Sijens used. Dame Ellie France voted to keep her work from trial, and she is smart enough to have since been appointed to the supreme court bench. I will link this forum for international observers to enjoy the level of debate.
    They are fully aware that I write the truth.
    New Zealand is being brought into disrepute with this nonsense.
    
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    October 24, 2016 12:12pm
    - Aliog
      
      Don’t flatter yourself – I downtick your shit without reading. I do read Kimbo’s comments about your attempted argument though, if that makes you feel better?
      
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      October 24, 2016 11:07pm
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        What is the purpose of downticking a comment you don’t read?
        
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        October 25, 2016 2:23am
Keeping Stock

How are the heads this morning Kimbo and Tom Hunter?
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October 24, 2016 9:24am
- tom hunter
  
  Clear as a bell. For whatever reason I just do not seem to suffer hangovers nowadays! Admittedly I probably also automatically limit the beers without consciously thinking about it.
  
  And Kimbo was only there for the taunting!
  
  Anyway, with your trip to Chicago impending I found an intresting article on Forbes of all places, that answers one of your questions.
  
  Chicago Cubs Win Sets Stage For Most Expensive World Series Tickets In Baseball History:
  
  The average sale price for the three games at Wrigley is $3,870.
  
  The average sale price for the first World Series game at Wrigley Field since 1945 on the secondary market is $4,080, according to TicketIQ data. This is Game 3 overall as the first two games are in Cleveland. The current average asking price for the game is $6,154 as sellers try and capture eager fans who want to be a part of history with the minimum to get in Wrigley a shade under $2,000 for Game 3.
  
  Games 4 and 5 at Wrigley are equally outrageous with an average sale price of $3,998 for game 4 ($2,563 minimum asking price/$7,161 average asking price) and $3,533 for Game 5 ($3,077/$8,275). “These are Super Bowl prices for every game,” says Lawrence.
  
  It’s almost as bad in Cleveland, but lower enough that the article playfully suggests that Cub fans can drive five hours to Lake Erie to see their team in action.
  
  A combined demand of almost 200 years of waiting. Feeling rich?
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:33am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Great research Tom. I will have to console myself with watching on TV; those prices would completely blow the budget out. I will have to try and pick up some Cubs merchandise though, but I would imagine even that will be selling at grossly inflated prices.
    
    We arrive in Chicago just before Game 3 (Friday night), so we will try to swing by Wrigley Field at some point of Saturday or Sunday just to experience the vibe on the streets outside. There’s a feast of sport in the Windy City while we’re there; two Bulls games, three Blackhawks games and an NFL game at Soldier Field. We’re spoiled for choice!
    
    PS – drop me an e-mail on inventory2@gmail.com Tom
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:43am
    - tom hunter
      
      You can get the Red Line El from downtown and hop off at the Addison station for a direct, quick walk to Wrigley Field, and then cruise around the local area. The Red has had “issues” in recent years on stations north of the Addison Street station, but with the crowds expected you’ll be fine.
      
      I’d avoid the NFL game. Admittedly my NFL watching was never great and has fallen away further over the years – but the Bear’s are just dreadful this year. They may only win one game. I guess you could regard it as an experience! I’ve been to Soldier Field for one NFL pre-season game and for the 1994 World Cup soccer matches. It is a very cool stadium.
      
      I’d hit a Blackhawks game. One of the best NHL teams, they’ve won quite a few Stanley Cups in the last few years and remain strong. Also Ice Hockey crowds are like nothing else – animals! Okay, that’s a little unfair and, like Rugby, the fighting has been vastly toned down in recent decades, as has the bloodlust of the crowds.
      
      Bulls? I’ve not followed them since Jordan and the gang retired, although they seem like a goodish team at present. But it’s indoor like the Hawks, and I just think the latter would be a better fan experience right now.
      
      Oh – one last thing. Get your bearings as soon as you hit the city. It makes it easy given the N-S, E-W layout of the city.
      
      Do NOT go further South than the bottom of downtown, and do NOT go West beyond Greektown.
      
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      October 24, 2016 9:55am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Appreciate that!
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:20am
      - tom hunter
        
        Hm – one addendum. The great museums lie to the South – but basically you get to all of them via South Lake Shore Drive. The corridor around that is fine.
        
        Museum of Natural History is good and the Museum of Science and Industry – the U-Boat exhibit is quite breathtaking the first time you see it. And don’t miss the Art Institute. Just South of the river on Michigan Avenue it’s an easy walk from anywhere in downtown and it’s a great art place. Always changing and always interesting displays – and then of course they have all their Monet’s.
        
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        October 24, 2016 11:01am
      - Kimbo
        
        Do NOT go further South than the bottom of downtown
        
        I’m assuming that is due to more than the prevalence of White Sox fans? 😉
        
        Ah, South Chicago, the sinecure of generations of benevolent Democratic Daley mayoralties, and more latterly Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel. How’s that working out?
        
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        October 24, 2016 12:13pm
      - tom hunter
        
        The “South” thing can be a little confusing, as it’s the near South Side areas that are the problem. Push just a mile or so beyond that belt and you’re into areas that look no different to where we lived on the North Side – Bridgeport, the home of the Irish and the Daley family, being the classic example. Still have a couple of friends who’ve lived there all there lives – and yes, they’re White Sox fans who will not be cheering on the Cubbies under any circumstances.
        
        … and more latterly Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel. How’s that working out?
        
        Not well at all. I really love the city, but it is also a frigging corrupt mess. The pension schemes for Teachers especially are just killing the schools, as cash is diverted to top up – and the courts have prevented any changes being made to deals done forty years ago. Tragic – but as I constantly explain to all my Democrat acquaintances back there – this is what comes from having a one-party state.
        
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        October 24, 2016 12:24pm
  - SPC
    
    Cleveland Cavaliers and Indians in one year is a bigger impossibility than a Chicago Cubs win.
    
    In the year of impossibility not a good sign.
    
    Leicester, Hurricanes, Western Bulldogs, Cronulla Sharks, Cleveland Cavaliers …
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:21am
  - Kimbo
    
    And Kimbo was only there for the taunting!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtniVkVQHQ
    
    And just remember, the Red Sox with Ted Williams were the hottest of favourites to beat the Cards in ’46,
    
    …no one told Bob Gibson that ’67 was the year of the “impossible dream” ,
    
    ….winning the greatest game of baseball in ’75 wasn’t enough to beat the Reds in the subsequent game 7
    
    and, oh, yeah…Bill Buckner. And Bucky Dent?!
    
    And this is a curse even more powerful and longer-lasting than the Bambino!
    
    ….
    ….
    ….
    
    Boom-tish!!!
    
    I’ll be here all week….with the possibility of an extended season until November 3 (our time)
    
    Just wondering, though…you and Keeping Stock are assuming this will go as far as a fifth game at Wrigley. Never considered the possibility one of the teams could get swept?
    
    😉
    
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    October 24, 2016 12:25pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Actually I have considered a sweep – of the Indians!!! 🙂
      
      And this is a curse even more powerful and longer-lasting than the Bambino!
      
      Nah – as I said last year, the Curse of the Goat was always pretty piss-weak compared to that of the Bambino. Now that had some real, historic and existential heft to it. Being yelled at by an old guy with a billy goat is nothing.
      
      Anyway, one of the jokes here is that I already feel like we’ve won the World Series – even if we don’t. By that I mean that winning the NL Pennant already felt like every piece of bad luck, curse, whatever you want to call it – had slid off my back. I should say “our” backs, judging from my wife’s Facebook page, a lot of fans are feeling this way. It’s very strange considering there’s one more step to get, and it’s not the arrogance of thinking the WS is in the bag, it’s just a feeling that this Game 6 was the key moment, even if the actual games and series itself turned on key moments in the field.
      
      The emotions that have been rocking and rolling the city in the last 24 hours are beyond belief: I’m getting only the barest hints of it here – and it seems to be spread well beyond the confines of the city, due entirely to that “America’s Team” storyline that the WGN owners pushed in the 1980’s.
      
      The second joke is that …. I have absolutely NO idea about the Cleveland Indians. That’s not dismissing them, but I just have not followed the AL at all, beyound scanning the tables. I have no idea who their players are. What they’re like. Strengths and weaknesses? Just no clue.
      
      The third joke is that reading the comments of Indian fans has been an Orwellian exercise: snark that runs along the lines of:
      Oh, the Big City boys are here. Chicago of three million people and vast riches. And the team that’s won it all since Opening Day. Arrogant sods. We’ll see about that.
      
      That’s right – we’re being cast by Indian fans as the equivalent of the Yankees??? Us? We’re arrogant? Our team is? We’re supposed to just roll over the top of them and win it all – but the underdogs could surprise us and ….. Wait, wait. Your talking to “us”. To Cubs fans. Don’t you understand that we’ve never thought like that in our entire, godforsaken lives?
      
      It’s pretty funny.
      
      Tinker to Evers to Chance?
      
      Try Russell to Baez to Rizzo!
      
      But it doesn’t flow off the tongue as well.
      
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      October 24, 2016 12:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Daniel O’Krent: “Boston fans, don’t give me this line about your suffering! You have nothing on being a Cubs fan. At least the Red Sox almost make it, and then the rug is pulled away at the last moment. For the Cubs it is about always finishing nowhere!”.
        
        George Will: “In my childhood I made a fatal mistake. In mid-state Illinois, halfway between Chicago and St Louis you had two choices. Most of my friends chose to support the Cardinals, and went on to live happy and fulfilled lives. I, in contrast, made the fateful decision to become a Cubs fan, and opened myself up to a world of bitter disappointment!”
        
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        October 24, 2016 1:01pm
stephieboy

A parting shot in respect of the third debate ,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/85582
986/donald-trump-knocks-himself-out-of-the-count

** It’s a pity the debate conveners didn’t insist on drug tests: Donald Trump appeared as stoned as a lizard on a rock. The eyes regularly narrowed to slits and he appeared to be on the nod. The tongue flicked in and out. The famous orange skin seemed bleached.

You could say he was being disciplined. But this was Las Vegas, where discipline is an unknown quality. This was Trump’s forum for a knockout. And he knocked himself out.

His biggest moment was his worst: the whine of a contestant who knew he’d already blown it. He wouldn’t accept the result if he lost, he snivelled. **
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October 24, 2016 9:25am
Ross12

It looks like USA money is trying to effectively undermine ( no pun intended) the Australian economy. Who is at the centre of it –Podestra and since he is so high up the chain everyone else must be complicit.

The Australian newspaper is running a series of articles on it ( sorry I’m not a subscriber to be able to give links). So quotes from a couple of articles on the issue:

“The Australian has been busy exposing how the supposedly grassroots anti-coal groups in Australia are being funded by the US and with the full knowledge and approval of John Podesta who used to be a special counselor to Barak Obama and is now Hillary’s campaign chairman. Info thanks to Wikileaks.”

The US money was designed to bankroll a strategy developed five years ago by green activists to “stop Australia’s coal export boom”.

“The focus of these efforts was to “run legal challenges that delay, limit or stop all of the major infrastructure projects (mines, rail and ports)”.

A particular priority was to stop the Adani coalmine in central Queensland that would employ up to 10,000 Australians and provide high energy, low impurity coal to India, where 300 million people still do not have access to electricity.”

“A highly orchestrated, secretly foreign-funded group of Australian environmental activists opposing the $16 billion Adani coalmine in Queensland has “dampened” Indian investment interest in Australia and received heated criticism from the federal Coalition and Queensland Labor governments.

Indian Power Minister Piyush Goyal told The Australian yesterday the years of legal challenges to the vast Carmichael coal project, now revealed to have been funded by multi-million-dollar foundations in the US, “will certainly dampen future investments” from India.”

While Podestra and others at the top may not have organised it it is clear they knew about it.
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October 24, 2016 9:26am
- SPC
  
  Whose money is being used?
  
  An American coal company that wants the export contract or government or private money for environment action against coal use?
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:48am
  - SPC
    
    Not originally much to the story, anything new to it since 2012?
    
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/coal-activists-strategy-exposed/story-e6frg9df-1226289933461
    
    The politics of right wing mining (good for the economy) profit making and left wing environmental action to reduce coal use are not usually the interest of zero hedge – but they have covered this story today for the political angle Trump vs Clinton presumably.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:16am
  - Ross12
    
    It looks like it came from here ( either directly or funnelled through)
    
    “The emails show that the funders included the Sandler Foundation, the Sea Change Foundation, the Tilia Fund, the Growald Family Fund and the Flora Family Foundation.”
    
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    October 24, 2016 11:07am
- PhilBest
  
  Actually it is more complicated than that. There is big money bankrolling anti-fossil-fuel extraction in the US itself, probably the same big money. The interests involved here are not motivated by wanting to boost US producers at Australian expense; they are motivated by wanting to boost the old OPEC club at the expense of the US, Australia, and anyone else involved in undermining the racket by way of new economies of extraction.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/12/hillary-confirms-via-wikileaks-russia-funds-phony-anti-fracking-groups/
  
  And crucially, as that article notes:
  
  “…Indeed, anti-fracking is the default position of the entire liberal political and media class, not to mention any number of US foundations (Rockefeller; Hewlett – Packard; Gordon and Betty Moore; etc) built on the proceeds of the capitalist system but now largely dedicated to undermining it…”
  
  The top zero-point-one percenters understand very well how unearned profits can be made from distortions to markets introduced by regulations that restrict supply of something. Hence their liberal funding of movements that advocate such restrictions. The activists in the movements themselves actually assume that their sugar daddies are motivated by genuine desire to “do good for humanity” with their wealth…well, DUH.
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:56am
Hugh Pavletich

(AUSTRALIAN) TREASURER SCOTT MORRISON TELLS STATES TO ALLOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE BUILT … SYDNEY MORNING HERALD …

Scott Morrison puts states on notice over house prices … Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-puts-states-on-notice-over-house-prices-20161023-gs8ngm.html

Treasurer Scott Morrison has put the states on notice over booming house prices, flagging a major push by the Turnbull government to increase supply and help first home buyers own their own home.

And Mr Morrison will promise the next meeting of state and federal treasurers, to be held in December, will focus on how state governments can do away with planning rules that stop, or delay, new houses being built. … read more via hyperlink above …

HOW THE AUSSIE POLITICAL AND PROPERTY ELITE
FLEECE
THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS
FOR SERVICED LOTS !

RESIDENTIAL LOT COSTS
UNITED STATES v AUSTRALIA

??? $US45,000 v $A237,535 ???

The great Australian land bubble bulges – MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/10/great-australian-land-bubble-bulges/

By Leith van Onselen
The Housing Industry Association (HIA) has released its land sales report for the June quarter of 2016, which revealed yet another rise in vacant lot prices to a record high median of $237,535. However, there was a much-needed rebound in the number of land sales, although these were down over the year and fell heavily in Sydney and Melbourne.

According to the HIA release: … read more via hyperlink above …

United States median serviced Lot prices $US45,000 …

Low Supply Lifts Housing Lot Prices To a Record ($US45,000) – WSJ
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.wsj.com/articles/low-supply-lifts-housing-lot-prices-to-a-record-1470442821

The prices home builders pay for single-family lots hit a record high in the U.S. last year, a sign that a scarce supply of developed land is pushing up the cost of new homes.

Median single-family lot prices were $45,000 last year, surpassing the previous peak of $43,000 at the height of the housing boom in 2006, according to an analysis of the most recent census data by the National Association of Home Builders. …

… Prices have hit record highs even as the typical lot has been shrinking. Median lot sizes for single-family homes last year dropped to 8,589 square feet (HP comment … 797.5 square metres), the lowest since the Census started consistently tracking the data in the early 1990s. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 24, 2016 9:28am
- wiseowl
  
  I feel totally vindicated tonight after watching Andrew Bolt on sky news .
  He had the guts to tackle the housing issue in Australia with some good work pointing out clips of Aussie politicians saying EXACTLY the same about housing as our politicians.They talk about not enough supply and freeing up more land.Pushing the solution on to the states by way of threats about legislation supposedly preventing building enough houses.
  BUT
  As Bolt points out (the same as here in NZ) the problem is being caused by IMMIGRATION.
  Aussie net immigration at 300,000 pa.
  WHY?
  Who is setting the agenda for NZ and Australia ?
  
  Who and why?
  
  Our politicians are working for someone other than the people they represent.
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:15pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted (with above) at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/10/links-24-october-2016/

Don’t count on making big bucks from your home , Opinion News & Top Stories – The Straits Times

http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/dont-count-on-making-big-bucks-from-your-home

As social values change, emphasis is now placed on property as housing rather than as speculative assets

Should cooling measures be eased, now that property prices are sliding further?

That question has cropped up again.

October data showed that private home prices fell 1.5 per cent in the third quarter from the second – the steepest such fall in seven years. That was also the 12th consecutive quarter of decline. In all, private home prices were 10.8 per cent lower, compared to the third quarter of 2013.

But Singapore’s property prices remain high when compared to many major cities. The 2016 survey of housing affordability by Demographia puts affordability here at a median multiple price-to-income ratio of five, which is considered “seriously unaffordable”. This means median housing prices are five times the median household annual income – which means it takes five years of wages to pay for a property. A multiple of three and under is considered affordable. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 24, 2016 9:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hugh Pavletich communication strategy:
  Repeat and repeat again ad nauseum and the sheepies might get it.
  No they won’t, it’s boring.
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:53am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    It will be a massive day in Australia today with Federal Treasurer Scott Morrison’s speech.
    
    The polls there (as they are here in NZ) are telling the pollies to sort out this stuff. Pollies are of course poll parrots … and quite appropriately so.
    
    They are learning from the progress we are making here in NZ with these issues … refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
    
    New Zealand is well recognised as the global leader at progressing these issues.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:11am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Google news search … ‘Scott Morrison housing’ …
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=scott+morrison+housing&tbm=nws
      
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      October 24, 2016 10:24am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Oh dear … if Aussie ramps up new detached housing production, as the apartment market peters out, New Zealand is in very serious trouble indeed.
        
        Aussie … with 5 times the population pumps out roughly 8 times the residential consents we do.
        
        They will do whatever it takes to avoid the ‘unemployment consequences’ (Morgan Stanley suggest the apartment slump could put 200,000 out of work).
        
        Our big problem here is a degenerate bureaucracy that goes out of its way to stuff up everything it touches.
        
        British style degenerate public service culture … as the UK Daily Mail explained some years ago within THE GREAT INERTIA SECTOR …
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289702/Public-sector-inertia-council-office-employees-month-sickies.html
        
        The Disabling Degenerates.
        
        In contrast, the Aussies are more ‘can do’ … even if it is not always pretty !
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:43am
    - Viking2
      
      you are fucking joking.
      With Smith in charge the building industry is going backwards.
      Many projects cancelled and shoddy building all the go.
      An affordable property is around the 300k not the minimum 500K that they keep trying to reach.
      
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      October 24, 2016 10:49am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        No way 300K is ever going to be achieved in Auckland unless the land bankers take a severe haircut.
        Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of existing houses available in NZ for under 300K.
        But not in Auckland, Central Wellington or Queenstown.
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:58am
  - PhilBest
    
    I am saddened by the difficulty of the sheepies in this country, to “get the point” on housing and urban planning. They are paying for their “boredom” already, but that is nothing to what the future holds.
    
    Hugh did not have to repeat himself ad nauseum to some of us: we “got it” with his first couple of explanations a decade ago. Owen McShane and Don Brash were clear; even John Key himself was saying the right things in 2007 about housing supply, the RMA, and the housing affordability problem for which the then Clark government was responsible.
    
    Some of us are spewing at the “invasion of the body snatchers” that has infected Kiwis on this issue, it is worse than mere “sheepie” syndrome. It actually looked, in 2008 and even in 2005, as if a change of government would result in common-sense prevailing. I don’t know what is to be expected of honourable advocates like Hugh Pavletich under these trying conditions. He should just give up and live his last years in comfortable retired leisure, with his conscience clear that “he tried”?
    
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    October 24, 2016 11:41am
Keeping Stock

Hey Hugh; it’s a public holiday today. Can’t you give it a rest for ONE day?
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October 24, 2016 9:36am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  This important information must keep flowing !
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:01am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    sounds like one of those people so far gone or up themselves or whatever – couldn’t even turn their phone off at a funeral.
    
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    October 24, 2016 4:30pm
Paulus Gnome

This line building this morning is all too much on a bank holiday Monday, I call on Penny to say something that will divert the current dialogue (there, I said it!)
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October 24, 2016 9:41am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And then Hugh chimes in with yet another fatuous post not available anywhere else, shaping up to be a long day . . .
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:44am
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Good moaning Kiwibloggers – seen this?”
  
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  October 24, 2016 9:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Not yet
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:51am
  - stigie
    
    “Sell the hovel”
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:09am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    See? I Spray and Walk Away
    Rubbish stays
    I walk away!
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:39am
RF

This morning Chris Lynch from News Talk ZB had announced that he was about to interview an American commentator about Trump who was in trouble because of another female coming forward and Clinton who was in serious trouble with her emails.

After introducing a female commentator from “Fox & CNN” they only spoke about how bad Trump was doing.

As Fox and CNN have an extreme hatred for each other I think Lynch stuffed up there. CNN is known as Clintons Network News.

Looks like everyone in the Media apart from Fox has written Trump off and is no longer balanced with their news presentation.
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October 24, 2016 9:52am
- doggone7
  
  Why does the media have to be balanced?
  
  I would contend that most people don’t want the media to be balanced, they want to see and hear things presented in ways which match their biases.
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:10am
  - RF
    
    Doggone7.
    
    I prefer that I come to my own conclusions without some media hack giving their one sided slant on news.
    
    At least we know Fox supports Trump and CNN supports Clinton.
    
    Going by our daily diet of news it has to come from CNN.
    
    Clinton can do no wrong and will ruin America.
    
    Not saying Trump is much better but at least it’s what you see is what you get. Clinton went to the Cunners school of duplicity.
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:40am
    - doggone7
      
      I understand wanting to have all the facts and coming to ones own conclusions.
      
      Is that for everything or just some issues?
      
      And if the slant supports your view do you still lament the bias?
      
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      October 24, 2016 12:45pm
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps the new woman in the Trump affair – a one time Actress felt that she was worth more than the US$10,000 she was offered.
  Which is why 40 years later which she is complaining – perhaps Hillary and Bill can now afford more now.
  
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  October 24, 2016 2:07pm
Stars And Stripes

Onlookers dared refugee to jump in Germany
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/85661033/onlookers-dared-refugee-to-jump-in-germany
“German police in the German state of Thuringia are investigating accusations that neighbours of a refugee encouraged him to jump to his death”.

Word is that it was a flawless backward somersault with triple twist that only failed to impress the judges because the entry was a bit messy.
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October 24, 2016 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  Was he gay?
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:06am
Andrei

KS @OCTOBER 24, 2016 9:45AM

“Good moaning Kiwibloggers – seen this?”

Black raven, black raven
you fly all over the earth
Impart to me
what you saw
across the Kalmius river
How few, or many
infidels still remain
Do they have bayonets… and bullets
to launch a surprise attack against us?
There are many enemy forces
across the Kalmius river
and bullets are loaded in their barrels
those meant for you
The guests will come… at dawn
it will be a long fierce battle
You… will lie dead
under a scorched pine
If it’s meant for me to say farewell
that I should die in the war
Fly… black raven
to my young wife
Tell her – I plead for divorce
so she can marry another
To marry for eternity
the land of Donetsk
To marry for eternity
the land of Donetsk…
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October 24, 2016 10:01am
- Brigitte
  
  Andrei, but what about the important stuff. Have you ordered your 2017 calendar yet?
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:10am
  - Andrei
    
    I have ordered a Hillary Clinton one for Stephieboy so he has something to drool over for 2017
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:15am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      When I go to the States later this week, a Trump “Make America Great Again” cap is on the shopping list, so I can wind up some of my left-leaning mates 😉
      
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      October 24, 2016 10:23am
      - Viking2
        
        Specifically J Key and associates? 😎
        
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        October 24, 2016 10:54am
      - Milhous
        
        KS.
        
        I think it would endear you to your lefty friends , given his Mintoesque trade policy and commitment to maintaining entitlements……his sexism , racisim and weaponsgrade sleaze appeal may make all of your left and right friends a bit sick though
        
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        October 24, 2016 11:51am
- SPC
  
  Why separatism for Russians in the Ukraine and not for Kurds in Syria?
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:26am
  - PhilBest
    
    You mean “Ukrainians in the former USSR” and “Kurds in Syria”, surely…
    
    “Russians in Ukraine” are an anti-separatist, Putin proxy problem.
    
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    October 24, 2016 11:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      PhilBest , good . At least someone has got it right over the Donbas.
      
      Do note an embattled US ally the Syrian Kurds in a complex civil war ,,
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrias-kurds-an-embattled-us-ally-in-a-complex-civil-war/2016/08/25/534436ce-6a98-11e6-91cb-ecb5418830e9_story.html
      
      Well worth a read !
      
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      October 24, 2016 11:55am
      - PhilBest
        
        Yeah, the Kurds seem like a rare case in that part of the world, of a population sub-set who will in fact settle down to responsible, progressive self-government if given the chance. All the rest of them seem to default to persecuting / fighting everyone else, civil war ending in more brutal dictatorship than the preceding, and exporting terror. Sorry for the cynicism, but I have seen enough decades of evidence now to lead me to this conclusion. I though Dubya’s Iraq nation-building experiment had a small chance, but Afghanistan no chance whatsoever. I would rate a self-governing “Kurdistan” as far and away the most likely successful experiment if it ever happens, and the main problem would be its powerful opponents all around it, not least the Turks.
        
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        October 24, 2016 1:30pm
    - SPC
      
      No. Because Ukraine is now an independent state, as is Syria.
      
      Andrei’s inference is the claimed independence of Donetsk – they make no claim as yet to be part of Russia. (Luhansk has claimed the same for itself).
      
      They are separatists from Ukraine, their claimed independence is to gather status for their self-government (as per the Crimea parliament), then hold a referendum to join Russia – to force an agreement on new Ukraine/Russia borders (including countryside between Donetsk and Luhansk).
      
      Russia’s support for these separatists, is inconsistent with military support for Syrian government control over all of Syria, if that includes Kurdish areas.
      
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      October 24, 2016 1:16pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Thanks for the explanation, this is a complex muddle, isn’t it? I didn’t assume Andrei’s comment to be in support of Donetsk independence; merely pointing out that this movement exists and could cause some kind of meltdown yet. But I don’t know Andrei like the more regular participants on Kiwiblog do. I did find the poetry quite moving.
        
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        October 24, 2016 1:33pm
      - SPC
        
        Andrei is Russianphile.
        
        After Russia lost the battle for the hearts and minds of the Ukrainian people (who chose the EU), I had no problem with the majority Russian areas within Ukraine advocating for changes to the borders with Russia and this being determined by plebiscite. Better this than local Russian and Kremlin displeasure leading to fighting.
        
        This is what should have happened when Yugoslavia broke up, plebiscites to establish new Serbian borders – rather than fighting for a greater Serbia.
        
        Anyone with a brain in Kiev could have arranged for the sale of Crimea and eastern Ukraine to Russia for some money (debt repayment) or permanent cheap supply of gas. Instead they have lost Crimea, and their economy is shot.
        
        One wonders whether the Russia’s backing for the Syrian government will include joining Turkey in bombing the Kurds – who have done most of the fighting against IS in Syria.
        
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        October 24, 2016 2:26pm
Scott Chris

SNL does the 3rd Presidential Debate.

Alec Baldwin is brilliant as Trump with Tom Hanks as Chris Wallace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2619861909&feature=iv&index=7&list=PL524sDvD4BsyVS4X-EyToHmwVlHbGxj1Z&src_vid=scC2rUIR-6g&v=RqeV9TOEZ9U
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October 24, 2016 10:19am
- Fletch
  
  The real Chris Wallace tears Hillary spokesman, Mook, a new one.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb4Heww0VAk
  
  Robby Mook: These are stolen documents, stolen by the Russians — it’s now confirmed — from John Podesta, that are being put out for this purpose.
  
  Chris Wallace: Can I speak to that? You know, the Trump tax returns were stolen as well when they were mailed to The New York Times. You guys didn’t object to that, in fact, you jumped all over them.
  
  Mook: Well, we don’t know where those tax returns came from.
  
  Wallace: Well, they were clearly stolen.
  
  Mook: We don’t know that.
  
  Wallace: Do you think Trump had given them?
  
  Mook: I don’t know. I don’t know how they got to The New York Times.
  
  Wallace: I guess that’s what I’m saying, if we’re looking at the fruits of that theft — and I will call it a theft — it’s fair to look at the fruits of your theft.
  
  Mook: Well, I think what’s particularly disturbing in this situation is that the intelligence community has now confirmed that John Podesta’s e-mails and the DNC e-mails were stolen by the Russians.
  
  Wallace: I know about the Russian connection. I’m talking about the $12 million from the King of Morocco and the fact that this continues to sort of show the line between private and public and Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.
  
  Mook: I think we got to look at what decisions were made. There was a meeting in Morocco, Secretary Clinton decided not to go, focus on her campaign here, and again, we’re having —
  
  Wallace: But then Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton went. Correct?
  
  Mook: My understanding is they did go, but she did not. Again, this is the discussion the Russians want us to be having. They stole this information, they’re selectively leaking. I can’t even verify the information you have there. We simply don’t have enough time as a campaign —
  
  Wallace: I promise you, if these were not true, you’d tell us.
  
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  October 24, 2016 3:04pm
  - cha
    
    Nah, this is a new one, Fletch.
    
    ‘To be clear: Donald Trump insulted the Catholic church last night at the Al Smith dinner in a way that was far worse than anything ever emailed to John Podesta. Completely misunderstanding the nature of an otherwise splendid evening, unable to let the generosity of the event temper his snarls, he became, appropriately, the first candidate in the history of the dinner to be booed.
    
    Inadvertently, Trump provided a moral lesson to the entire country and, one hopes, to the leaders of the church who hosted the evening. He is a boor and worse than a boor. I know it is the Year of Mercy and I pray daily to be less judgmental, but he is a bad person. After months of trying to analyze why he does what he does, why he says what he says, it comes down to this: He is a bad person. You don’t want him at your party. You certainly don’t want him in the White House.
    
    https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/trump-boor-ruins-al-smith-dinner#.WAx_Pumcx3U.twitter
    
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    October 24, 2016 3:17pm
    - Fletch
      
      cha, an insult at a roast is one thing, the Catholic church supports (or should support) Trump as the lesser of two evils even just as far as abortion goes. Hillary has promised to free up abortion even more and is pretty much in favour of it at any stage before the baby is born. Doesn’t matter to her. Trump, on the other hand, has promised to nominate pro-life Justices of the Supreme Court, and that is way more than enough reason to vote for Trump over Hillary.
      
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      October 24, 2016 3:24pm
      - cha
        
        So, you’re a single issue nutter.
        
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        October 24, 2016 3:26pm
      - Fletch
        
        cha, not exactly a single issue, but the issue over the murder of innocent babies is one of the most important there is – or, it should be.
        
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        October 24, 2016 3:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Fletch , I seem to recall you promising to unveil revelations for yesterday morning that were certain to end Hillary Clintons Presedential aspirations .
        
        Are you able to still oblige ?
        
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        October 24, 2016 3:35pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        without abortion nz might need a whole 24/7 tv channel just for police 10/7
        
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        October 24, 2016 4:37pm
      - Fletch
        
        stephieboy, nope, wasn’t me.
        
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        October 24, 2016 5:01pm
    - Kimbo
      
      He is a bad person. You don’t want him at your party. You certainly don’t want him in the White House.
      
      I’ll quote it again, although Martin Luther is anathema to good Catholics 😉 “Better to be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian Prince”.
      
      Mind you, IMHO Trump fails the competency test. But then so does the other Presidential candidate. But only because she is certain to follow the same domestic and foreign policies using the same methods.
      
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      October 24, 2016 3:30pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Actually Kimbo,
        Catholics recognise that Luther had some valid points – of his 93 treatises, the Church recognised that – I think off hand – that 45 of them were correct.
        However, the problem with our dear heretic Martin was not so much that the Church disagreed on procedural or corruption issues but doctrinal issues.
        You may note that the Catholic Church and the Lutheran community are having ongoing discussions – they have already come to common ground over the ‘Justification Issue’ – which are proving fruitful.
        Long may it continue, along with the many thousands of differing communities of our Protestant brothers in Christ.
        
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        October 24, 2016 5:59pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Don the Kiwi
        
        I fear you will find some of we Calvinists are not so ~~faithless~~ ah, I’ll try and be ecumenical…accommodating. 😉
        
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        October 24, 2016 6:09pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Don’t know what happened -I was going to respond to Kimbo, but it became a report. Unintended.
        However, I will say in response to Kimbo –
        
        “Don the Kiwi
        I fear you will find some of we Calvinists are not so faithless ah, I’ll try and be ecumenical…accommodating. ?”
        
        “Even if a Man were to rise from the dead, they would still not believe.”
        All I can think of is – apart from the above_
        “That we all may be one.”
        
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        October 24, 2016 7:36pm
All_on_Red

Amusing campaign Ad
https://www.youtube.com/embed/wzjRwNUQDRU

‘Please Re- Elect Gerald
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October 24, 2016 11:01am
Viking2

Talking about the MSM and their desire to vilify and create click bait I found this interesting.

Days after Gable Tostee was cleared of killing New Zealander Warriena Wright, the 30-year-old’s explanation for her death, and his proclamation of innocence, are back in the spotlight

Now that the trial is over, the post has been revisited by international media seeking clues to what happened that night.

On December 10, 2014, Tostee posted a 2300-word account to a bodybuilding forum, titled “Regarding the balcony tragedy”.

In it, he detailed his version of events, including why he had secretly recorded the pair in his apartment, why he locked Wright outside, and why he went to get pizza an hour after Wright died.

THE FULL TEXT OF GABLE TOSTEE’S POST:

“This is not addressed to any one audience but I figured that being a long term member here I would post it here in public for anyone to read in its entirety.

I think it’s time I spoke out about the events that have happened over the last few months. Those aware will know I am referring to the tragic death of Warriena Wright. So far I’ve been silent about the whole thing which has left my hands tied while so many misconceptions and untruths are being circulated in the media and in the public. This has been extraordinarily difficult, and I have grown to believe my silence may have done more harm than good.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85666522/gable-tostees-online-claim-of-innocence-for-warriena-wrights-death-reemerges

Things are not always as they seem.
Well worth the read.
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October 24, 2016 11:10am
- Keeping Stock
  
  So we’re supposed to swallow that in its entirety are we Viking? After all, it’s not as though Tostee had a vested interest in making himself look lily-white or anything…
  
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  October 24, 2016 11:28am
  - Viking2
    
    Well it was his story and looking at the results the Jury considered that it was true.
    
    My reason for posting it was to point out the variance between the MSM ( which indeed published all kinds of stories), and what would seem to be the view of the jury.
    I thought myself that he wasn’t squeaky clean but shit does happen especially when booze is sloshed around.
    There was no mention of any other drugs at all.
    There is no knowing the female mind.
    So in balance he has a right to express his side of the story which seems to tally with what the Jury also thought. Had there been anything else then you can be sure the police would have bought it out.
    In reality he should at the most have been charged with detaining a person but even then it became about the safety issues and the destruction of his apartment.
    The question to ask yourself is “do you think he threw over the side?’ If not then the scene seems to have played out as supported by his recording.
    
    Another thing to ask is” had he not gone to the police voluntarily would they have known which apartment she fell from?’.
    Had he tossed her over I would think he would have made himself very scarce.
    
    Just sometimes white men are not to blamefor everything that happens..
    
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    October 24, 2016 12:40pm
    - holysheet
      
      There is no knowing the female mind.
      
      Never a truer word spoken
      
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      October 24, 2016 1:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      He had a clever lawyer who was able to sow sufficient doubt in the Jury’s mind as to whether his actions and behaviour were causally related to Warriena falling off the balcony .
      
      Nothing to do with “knowing the female mind “whatever that might mean .
      
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      October 24, 2016 2:13pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Well it was his story and looking at the results the Jury considered that it was true.
      
      The jury never heard his story Viking. Tostee exercised his right not to give evidence. But that doesn’t change my opinion of him one iota; a predatory scumbag.
      
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      October 24, 2016 2:46pm
      - Viking2
        
        You are absolutely entitled to that opinion. BUT, how was that opinion formed. I’d suggest through what was reported by the MSM right or wrong.
        
        As i said didn’t think he was squeaky clean but his behavoir is no different to thousands of others even in your own town but certainly on the Gold Coast and many “holiday towns” like it.
        You can be sure the police gave his apartment a thorough going over so if there was anything else involved they would have found it.
        
        The police had his story and paraded it in front of the Jury because they had nothing else and it was essentially verified by the phone recording and other camera’s.
        
        Not approving of him nor what happened for I thought it probable for manslaughter and when discussing it with a fellow I was working with he made the observation that some of the chicks are bloody psycho, especially when tanked up. He had experienced it during his travels in the Navy and of course it is often demonstrated on the telly during late night policing. Interesting that he thought that the result would be what it was.
        
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        October 24, 2016 4:34pm
Stars And Stripes

Teens carve 30m bike track into Mt Albert
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11723232
“”This was an unauthorised excavation of the maunga … Mt Albert is in fact a heritage site with significant cultural, geological and heritage values.”

Who the hell do these kids think they are carving a bike track into Mt Albert without giving koha to the appropriate authority and appeasing the ancestral spirits.
Next they will be spreading out a picnic mat or something equally outrageous.
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October 24, 2016 12:23pm
starboard

Hmm..a 24 hour dairy is robbed 3 times in one month, usually between the hours of 3-5 am.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/85665870/christchurch-247-store-robbed-for-third-time

Fags and cash taken each time. I wonder if plod has enough grey matter to put 2+2 together.

Ok..between 3am and 5am
Offenders are young maori
Cash and Fags

Something tells me there maybe, just maybe another robbery within one to two weeks around 3am-5am.

Hey, I know..lets have a some units park up near the shop, but undercover around that time and wait. Will probably get lucky. Even if we set aside one dog wagon around those hours for next 2 weeks..its worth a crack Nigel. Shit, we may even catch the filth.
PPfft..easier trapping 80 year old ladies after there next sherry meeting.
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October 24, 2016 12:58pm
- dad4justice
  
  The night shift keystones are far too stoned to attend.
  
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  October 24, 2016 4:13pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Don’t forget the Russian Film Festival starts in Auckland on Tuesday

Russian Resurrection Film Festival 2016
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October 24, 2016 1:05pm
Reid

EU splits: Germany’s Angela Merkel hands Vladimir Putin a diplomatic victory

Good news for everyone but the idiot sheeple that hallucinate Wussia’s the bad guy and the poor widdle West is the good guy. Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooooooopid.

http://theduran.com/eu-splits-germanys-angela-merkel-hands-vladimir-putin-a-diplomatic-victory/
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October 24, 2016 1:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,
  
  Opportunity beackons for Putin .Anothere Berlin Wall ?
  That is if his ship wreck of econmomy can afford it .
  
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  October 24, 2016 2:02pm
- Viking2
  
  Some EU countries used to do a lot of trade with Russia and some others are very dependent on her gas.
  
  Guess they are a bit pissed with the Frogs and Krauts. (again).
  
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  October 24, 2016 4:39pm
Stars And Stripes

Police are searching for a 14-year-old boy who left his New Plymouth home in a distressed state with no shoes on.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11734744

He can be located here:
Number One Shoe Warehouse
Shop 3, Valley Mega Centre
2-20 Rifle Range Road
New Plymouth.
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October 24, 2016 1:16pm
tom hunter

Something to put a smile on your face; Plummeting Newspaper Ad Revenue Sparks New Wave of Changes:

Newspapers are suffering an accelerating drop in print advertising, a market that already was under stress, forcing some publishers to consider significant cost cuts and dramatic changes to their print and digital products.

Global spending on newspaper print ads is expected to decline 8.7% to $52.6 billion in 2016, according to estimates from GroupM, the ad-buying firm owned by WPP PLC. That would be the biggest drop since the recession, when world-wide spending plummeted 13.7% in 2009.

Die MSM. Die!
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October 24, 2016 2:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  tom hunter Conservative and alt right traditional printed media impervious to rapid technological changes ?
  
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  October 24, 2016 3:38pm
tom hunter

More to put a smile on your face, Obamacare! What Can’t It Do?.
Apparently it can even make Democrat politicians in the USA tell the truth:

Last week, Minnesota’s left-wing governor, Mark Dayton, created a firestorm when he accidentally blurted out the truth:
“The reality is the Affordable Care Act is no longer affordable to increasing numbers of people.”

Muhahahahaha. Moron. He’s been backpedaling ever since, but as the article points out:

local Democrats are so worried about MNSure’s [(Minnesota’s version of the Affordable Care Act)] unpopularity that they are calling for a special session prior to the election to try to fix the problems with the statute.

As usual it will collapse back onto the taxpayers – just like the Wall Street bailouts did, but you won’t see any screaming from the Left about this. A huge part of the reason is that the IT is still stuffed, which is hardly a surprise; crap requirements naturally came from crap regulations designed to paper over the cracks of crap law. But the bigger part will be the health care costs themselves. As the article summarises:

Has there ever been a comprehensive failure to match Obamacare? It has driven up the cost of health care, made it illegal for people to buy cheaper coverage with fewer mandates, eaten up many billions of federal tax dollars, wasted uncounted billions in state income and sales taxes. And now it is driving up property taxes because the program’s failures have to be dealt with by counties.

It’s the worst US domestic policy clusterfuck I know of. You’d have to return to the Sedition Act in the early 19th century to find something equal.
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October 24, 2016 2:29pm
- Kimbo
  
  Even worse than the 1919 Volstead Act? Big call.
  
  Speaking of Prohibition and (Cubs-supporter) Daniel O’Krent (whom I quoted above), this was an insightful and sometimes-amusing discussion of his book ‘Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition’ about the mixed and confused motives, anomalies, loop holes, and unintended consequences of the American “Noble Experiment”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxi8e5hBODQ
  
  Interesting to see if Obamacare will go the same way. Plus lessons concerning the war on drugs, anti-tobacco, plain packaging, anti-fat and sugary foods…
  
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  October 24, 2016 2:37pm
- tom hunter
  
  Ah – forgot that one.
  
  But as bad as its consequences were, even after repeal, I’d argue that Obamacare will be worse for the same reasons and the fact that it’s affecting such a huge portion of the US economy. Health care spending is like 1/6 of GDP, so screwing that even worse means the effects are going to be with the US for a long time.
  
  I also have laugh at one of the worst nightmares of the US Right-wing, which is also one of the fondest dreams of the US Left-wing – that this failure will allow the rise of a US NHS. They couldn’t even pull that off in the tiny Leftish enclave of Vermont
  
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  October 24, 2016 2:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  Again your vision for affordable healthcare for all Americans and maybe using our public health care system as the benchmark ?
  
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  October 24, 2016 3:40pm
Kimbo

And for both supporters and critics of Donald Trump, who think that an such unlikely outsider with the ability to solve the “real issues” of the “ordinary American” is something new in American Presidential politics…think again.

I give you the ‘Louisiana Kingfish’, Governor and/or Senator Huey P Long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3gmFK-JmIE

Best line: As Long lay in hospital, mortally wounded from an assassin’s gunshot, and the medical staff attending him were refusing his requests for water, one of the nurses remembers thinking, “where’s he’s going, it’s gonna be mighty hot, so maybe we should give him a glass to cool him down!” 😉
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October 24, 2016 2:51pm
- tom hunter
  
  Wasn’t he also the one who once proclaimed that
  
  ….the only way I can lose is if Ah’m caught in bed with a dead girl – or a live boy
  
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  October 24, 2016 3:07pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Google says you are almost right – another Louisiana governor who modeled himself on Huey and Earl K. Long, Edwin Edwards.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Edwards
    
    Must be something in that water from the Mississippi as it gets ever-closer to the Gulf of Mexico. Makes Chicago look positively corruption-free! 😉
    
    To be fair, Huey Long’s son, Russell, had a long, distinguished and, by Southern Democrat standards, corruption-free Senatorial career in a period (1948 until 1987) of great change in the Deep South.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_B._Long
    
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    October 24, 2016 3:15pm
sooty

A new property website, homes.co.nz which is a evaluer. It has estimates as well as actual price houses have sold for. It has our darling Penny Brights house in school rd, kingsland, valued at 1.1 million. Pay you rates. The acc is going to be able to sell your house and recover the back rates, penaltys and charges. You may even be aloud to keep about 100 grand if you are lucky. Remember all them times you shit on Far Goof, well now is pay back. It’s all ways worse when the left do it!
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October 24, 2016 3:12pm
- stigie
  
  Why should she pay up now sooty, she’s fucked over the Auckland City Council for the last 9 years, what makes you think this latest Council has the testicles..?
  
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  October 24, 2016 3:45pm
tom hunter

Excellent article on the piece of excrement known as Bob Creamer, recently forced to step away from the Democratic party’s 2016 campaign by O’Keefe’s videos. Stanley Kurtz spent years digging into the Chicago detail behind Obama’s rise to power, and not only did the MSM not want to know anything about it, they had no problems when he was shouted down – including organised phone-ins to radio stations – everytime he went in for a discussion of what he’d uncovered.

As the years have passed the MSM wheeze is that this has morphed into “old news” and the Alinsky connections are “exaggerated” and “more Right-wing fantasies”. But as Kurtz demonstrates with Creamer’s recent uncovering, all the tactics are alive and well:

Creamer was a key figure in the work of Chicago’s community organizer training center, the Midwest Academy, to which Obama had close ties.

The Midwest Academy was founded by die-hard socialists who had once been part of the radical 60s SDS (Students for a Democratic Society). An influential figure in Saul Alinsky’s early Chicago operations, Creamer worked with the Midwest Academy’s founders to persuade young socialist revolutionaries in the 70s to adopt a more “pragmatic” Alinskyite stance. In other words, Creamer helped persuade these young revolutionaries to organize, and provide quiet socialist guidance, to movements that were liberal in appearance, yet radical in their ultimate intentions and effects.

Which makes the MSM “disinterest” even more important. You can’t get away with this shit if it’s widely publicised.

In Radical-in-Chief, and in my follow up, Spreading the Wealth (see Chapter 3, esp. pp. 59-63), I show how Obama played public good cop during his days in the Illinois legislature, while coordinating behind the scenes with Alinskyite allies who used questionable voter registration tactics, and even intimidated Obama’s Republican legislative rivals at their homes. Given the latest videos, it’s hard not to wonder how much of this sort of thing is going on today, and perhaps with some of the same players as in Obama’s Illinois years.

Again, this shit was hardly secret in Chicago – outside the MSM. Anybody involved in any way with politics in the city knew about it. It just never got publicity.

In 2007, Robert Creamer published Stand Up Straight! How Progressives Can Win, a tactical handbook for the left that he wrote while serving a prison term for tax evasion and bank fraud.

Remember that this guy was/is still heavily involved in Democrat Party politics, and has visited the White House 342 times, including 40 “personal” visits with Obama. What a surprise.
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October 24, 2016 3:29pm
tom hunter

Something worth remembering the next time you’re confronted by a Left-winger “outraged” about Trump’s shady dealings and connections.

If the Left didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all.
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October 24, 2016 3:33pm
tom hunter

I also appreciated this little piece of Creamer’s advice to other Lefties:

In general our strategic goal with people who have become conservative activists is not to convert them—that isn’t going to happen. It is to demoralize them—to ‘deactivate’ them. We need to deflate their enthusiasm, to make them lose their ardor and above all their self-confidence…

[A] way to demoralize conservative activists is to surround them with the echo chamber of our positions and assumptions. We need to make them feel that they are not mainstream, to make them feel isolated… We must isolate them ideologically…[and] use the progressive echo chamber…

By defeating them and isolating them ideologically, we demoralize conservative activists directly. Then they begin to quarrel among themselves or blame each other for defeat in isolation, and that demoralizes them further.

Standard stuff in some respects, and as old as the hills, but playing in a new media world. That’s a large part of why I want the MSM to die: it’s a lot harder for the Left to create such echo chambers of “shunning” and abuse in the online world – although Facebook and Twitter come close.
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October 24, 2016 3:40pm
- Kimbo
  
  …we demoralize ~~conservative activists~~ reactionaries…
  
  There, fixed that for ya, as per the authoritative SJW/Marxist glossary
  
  Although stephieboy makes for a poor echo-chamber!
  
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  October 24, 2016 3:43pm
  - tom hunter
    
    But an excellent snare drum.
    
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    October 24, 2016 4:55pm
tom hunter

Finally there’s the War On Cops. A cop with the pyseudonym, “Jack Dunphy”, has one of his insider looks at this, Oh, That War on Cops.

He takes on Radley Balko’s out-of-date data defence that claimed there was no such thing, pointing out that in 2016 the increase in cops killed is up by 55%. Now that’s still “only” 46 cops in a country of 300 million +, but clearly something has changed, and that something are the racists in the Black Lives Matter movement.

What Dunphy really gets stuck into is the appeasing attitude of the Police leaders across the US. Anybody who has been a cop will understand the politics involved as people rise to become Police Chief (or in NZ, Police Commissioner), and how disconnected they can be from ordinary cops on the street:

On Monday, at the San Diego meeting of the International Association of Police Chiefs, the group’s president, Chief Terrence Cunningham, of the Wellesley, Mass., Police Department, issued an apology “for the actions of the past and the role that our profession has played in society’s historical mistreatment of communities of color.”

Nice. BLM must have pissed themselves with delight. As Dunphy pointed out:

People rise in their respective police departments to the extent they can (or convincingly pretend to) adopt the political views that dominate their local governments, and Chief Cunningham would seem a perfect fit for Wellesley, a prosperous suburb of Boston.

A few facts about the town: The black population is 2 percent; the median income in 2014 was $159,615; 82.2 percent of residents over age 25 have at least a bachelor’s degree and 48.5 percent have graduate degrees; and in 2012 the town voted 56 to 41 percent for Obama over Romney. When it comes to crime, the town hasn’t seen a murder in at least 14 years and averages only a handful of robberies and assaults annually.

In short, Chief Cunningham would not have a fucking clue as to what happens in the big US cities, and his comments were a typical “guilty – but please leave me alone” plea to the BLM activists from a rich, white, leftish area.
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October 24, 2016 3:52pm
Morrissey

HAPPY LABOUR DAY!

From the movement that brought you equal pay, the weekend, minimum wages, child protection laws, injury prevention, the right to organise …

http://img.picturequotes.com/2/41/40712/this-long-holiday-weekend-has-been-brought-to-you-by-the-blood-sweat-and-tears-of-the-labor-movement-quote-1.jpg
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October 24, 2016 4:00pm
- Morrissey
  
  I see a few hypocrites have downticked my fraternal greetings to my fellow Kiwis. No doubt the downtickers are hard at work today, and have not had a coffee break today, and will be all day next Saturday, and the Saturday after that….
  
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  October 24, 2016 4:22pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is it OK if I spent the day Morris dancing?
    
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    October 24, 2016 5:24pm
tom hunter

I appreciated this quick summary of what Wikileaks has revealed about the MSM in the USA:

Journalists and contributors from just about every major media outlet have been exposed by Wikileaks of doing one or more of the following:

–Run stories past Clinton campaign officials for their approval.

–Offer help in framing stories to aid Clinton.

–Give Clinton advice and even a town hall question ahead of time.

–Actively root for Hillary.

–Attend dinner parties for campaign insiders and even throw them.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg in the cozy, even incestuous relationships Wikileaks exposed.
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October 24, 2016 4:10pm
- Andrei
  
  That is only the beginning of it Tom Hunter
  
  Money from foreign Governments
  
  Money to wife of FBI agent investigating her server
  
  Pushing to get Trump on the Republican ticket because they believe they can beat him
  
  Wanting Obama care to fail…
  
  It goes on and on
  
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  October 24, 2016 4:29pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Wanting Obamacare to fail?
    
    Well, if you mean the idiots who designed it then … No.
    
    They really had no idea that this would happen. They were told of course, but they were Super-Smart Democrats With Halos – and their critics were racists for attacking that nice Mr Obama, who only wanted poor people to have health insurance.
    
    Retards.
    
    Still, this swamp is what Vlad would call a target-rich environment!
    
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    October 24, 2016 4:35pm
Morrissey

…incestuous relationships…

The ACT party is involved?
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October 24, 2016 4:23pm
- tom hunter
  
  I would have thought a genuine Left-winger would be concerned about the MSM being the shield and the sword of the powerful. At least I thought you were from the way you’ve rabbited on about.
  
  But it’s good to know you’re as much of a doormat for the likes of Hillary as Bernie Sanders is. Corruption and compromise makes you seem almost human. Kim Dot-Com and Liala Harre smile.
  
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  October 24, 2016 4:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’ve heard that Morris dancers like dancing with their daughters.
  Horizontally.
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:25pm
Viking2

Mr Key needs a new plane.

John Key’s plane is grounded in Australia after take-off fails again

John Key’s visit to India has failed to get off the ground once again.

The Prime Minister’s delegation, which includes former BlackCaps captain Brendon McCullum, was delayed for three hours after a technical issue kept their plane grounded in Townsville, Australia.

But they have returned to the airbase after their take-off failed once again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/85673878/john-keys-plane-is-grounded-in-australia-en-route-to-india-due-to-a-technical-fault?cid=facebook.post.85673878

More taxpayers money going down the plug hole.
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October 24, 2016 4:49pm
- dad4justice
  
  The amount of shit that Key talks he could power a hot air balloon to India, get him one.
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:13pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    How was the labour day sales Dad? You manage to sell those jimmy choo knock offs today?
    
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    October 24, 2016 6:13pm
- mikenmild
  
  The Boeing 757s were purchased in 2003, so it’s probably the Labour government’s fault.
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:18pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Didn’t that witch Klarkula replace our air force with broomsticks milky?
    
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    October 24, 2016 5:21pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    nicknamed broomstick1 and broomstick2 by the Airforce (miffed at Clark’s axing of air combat wing)
    
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    October 24, 2016 10:38pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Proof that new planes are needed. Let’s get on with it.
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:28pm
  - mikenmild
    
    The Boeing are not particularly old, and have no replacement project currently schedules, but the 2016 white paper made noises about decisions on this soon.
    I don’t know how old these aircraft are, but they are probably a lot younger than the B727s were before their replacement.
    
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    October 24, 2016 5:43pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I suggest John Key gives Bob Jones a call
  
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  October 24, 2016 6:01pm
Left Right and Centre

generally random . . .
Next time you have a bad hair day, think of this . . .
*The most dramatic case of itch following shingles is that of ‘M’ – woman, 39. The shingles was cured – but M was left with an unrelenting itch on her forehead.*
Combined with severely diminshed pain sensation . . nek minute . . .
*One morning ten months after her shingles had resolved, she was horrified to find a foul greenish liquid running down her face. It was determined that she had scratched through **skin and skull** to reach her **now-exposed brain**.
blink blink !!
Er – long story – she lived – but it changed her personality. There’s your self-lobotomy people – on the cheap.
Excerpt from library book ‘Touch – David J Linden’ – p189. M needs to scratch like she needs a hole in the head.
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October 24, 2016 5:00pm
- tom hunter
  
  You’ve done it now LRC. From now on, every time I see a post from Morrissey, I’ll have this image of him at a computer, typing with one hand while the other scratches and scratches at his head and a foul, greenish liquid runs down his face.
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:07pm
tom hunter

I’ve not actually taken much notice of the great Wikileaks email scandal. From what I’ve seen it consists of Hillary’s staff involved in backbiting, snarling, shitty compromises and two-faced positions on the “issues”.

So far. So political.

But what I just read today was unintentionally hilarious – if one is in the mood for black humour:

Heather Samuelson was one of the Clinton aides who sifted through the private email server used during Clinton’s tenure at the State Department, and helped decide which would be designated as personal messages and which were work-related. That’s when the potential Chinese hacks may have taken place, because she used two laptops made by Lenovo, a company with ties to the Chinese government that has sold laptops for years with malware pre-installed on the computer.
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What’s fascinating here is that the State Department had banned the use of Lenovo computers since 2009 for obvious reasons that clearly escaped poor Heather. Lenovos were sold with a program called “Superfish” that the Chinese themselves admitted in 2015 was “malware.” This wasn’t even subtle spying.

I don’t think the term “luddite” adequately covers the bone-headed stupidity of this woman. Did she know no one she could ask about Lenovo computers? Did she just not think to ask?

The Queen was naturally even more stupid:

… while secretary of State, communicated with outdated BlackBerrys bought on eBay either because she preferred them or could not be bothered to learn how to use the new ones, assuming she was capable. These BlackBerrys were no longer even supported by the company and were undoubtedly at that point entirely permeable to hacking by practically anybody.

People talk about “hacking”, but that implies that the Russians or whoever, must have used their super-secret, super-sophisticated software to crack open Hillary and her gang.

Instead it looks like they’re the sort of morons who’d likely wire a few grand to Lagos, Nigeria to help that wealthy man who needs to shift money. Who’d need to hack them when they’d fall for a phishing scam.

Note that these are the retards taunting Trump about having access to the nuclear codes.
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October 24, 2016 5:35pm
- cha
  
  What to trust…..
  
  A Chinese electronics component manufacturer says its products inadvertently played a role in a massive cyberattack that disrupted major internet sites in the U.S. on Friday.
  
  Hangzhou Xiongmai Technology, a vendor behind DVRs and internet-connected cameras, said on Sunday that security vulnerabilities involving weak default passwords in its products were partly to blame.
  
  […]
  
  “Mirai is a huge disaster for the Internet of Things,” Xiongmai said in an email to IDG News Service. “(We) have to admit that our products also suffered from hacker’s break-in and illegal use.”
  
  Mirai works by enslaving IoT devices to form a massive connected network. The devices are then used to deluge websites with requests, overloading the sites and effectively taking them offline.
  
  http://www.pcworld.com/article/3134039/hacking/chinese-firm-admits-its-hacked-products-were-behind-fridays-massive-ddos-attack.html
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:43pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’ma bit worried now that the Russkies will have the nuclear codes from President Clinton and launch a nuclear strike against themselves.
  
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  October 24, 2016 5:46pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Terminator: Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
    Sarah Connor: Skynet fights back.
    Terminator: Yes. It launches its missiles against the targets in Russia.
    John Connor: Why attack Russia? Aren’t they our friends now?
    Terminator: Because Skynet knows that the Russian counterattack will eliminate its enemies over here.
    
    You can substitute “The Evil Ones” for Skynet. It works much the same.
    
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    October 24, 2016 5:59pm
Manolo

Will kowtow tell us if they feel like this in Dunedin?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3865588/Residents-picturesque-Devon-village-tell-fury-bizarre-decision-send-70-young-migrants-arrived-UK-jungle.html
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October 24, 2016 6:07pm
- kowtow
  
  SJW’s down here love it. Tonnes of them volunteered to help ( sexy you see , our home grown down and outs can fend for themselves) Oldies waiting for hip replacements are mystified that the gummint has money for foreigners but not for them and on balance I get the feeling a lot of people aren’t too happy about the enrichment and diversity that’s been chucked our way.
  
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  October 24, 2016 6:23pm
  - Manolo
    
    Let us hope the sentiment remains high once the burglaries, sexual assaults and other misdemeanours start. Allahu akbar.
    
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    October 24, 2016 6:33pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

I’ve been trying to decide who is the Scotchman with the most punchable face, and I have narrowed it down to two, Gregor Paul, or this cunt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voQ9BjnG5Cg
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October 24, 2016 7:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Hey Sweaty Bollocks, that’s Scotsman. Scotch is whiskey. And scotch doesn’t have the ‘e’ but me being a Mick spells it proper , not like the Scots.
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:20pm
itstricky

I have to say it cracks me up how many of the crew quote Wikileaks & co here.

These people are the very epitome of what Kim.com and The Internet Party were (are?) all about.

Young, open, liberals who think “all information should be free; whatever it is”

I wonder if the enthusiasm will continue on with further leaks, or whether the knives will come out for Julian once something unfavourable is published…
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October 24, 2016 8:03pm
- Ross12
  
  But it was OK with the Panama papers itstricky ?
  
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  October 24, 2016 8:11pm
  - cha
    
    Wasn’t the Panama papers an ICIJ jobbie?.
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:22pm
  - itstricky
    
    I’m not the one swearing against the young liberal progressives. I find it amusing that the God fearing conservatives are so enthusiastically backing their cause.
    
    Perhaps consider a donation to Kim.com to help keep the faith?
    
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    October 24, 2016 9:43pm
Ross12

I liked this comment from another blog :

“Hillary’s greatest achievement was to be Secretary of State. Hmmn.”

Hmmn indeed. Her greatest achievement was her roll in the overthrow of the Ghaddafi regime.

Before that, Libya was a stable state with the highest standard of living in Africa, and higher than some European countries. Free education up to PhD, free medical care, free electricity, 0% loans from the state-owned bank. Libya had just completed the world’s largest irrigation project to bring artesian to the people.

Now a permanent civil war.”
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October 24, 2016 8:13pm
- cha
  
  Yeah, America, because no Libyans ever didn’t decide they wanted shot of the thug Muammar Mohammed Abu Minyar Gaddafi.
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  October 24, 2016 9:04pm
Viking2

There was once a lady making a stew for dinner when she found she had no onions,so with no time to waste she raced to the shops, burst in saying could i have some onions please. The shopkeeper replied sorry lady we are fresh out of onions. The lady said but i really need onions and gave all the reasons why in one big sentence. The shopkeeper said look lady,I`ll put it to you another way and continued to ask her- if you take the o from tomato what do you have? The lady said tomat,Yes said the man and if you take the o from potato what do you have? The lady said potat. Yes said the man behind the counter,now if you take the fuck out of onions what do you have? “But there’s no fuck in onions”,said the lady,Yes said the man, That’s what I have been trying to tell you!”
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October 24, 2016 9:06pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Goodie, but an oldie, viking.
  
  The version I heard was, “if you take the ‘age’out of cabbage, what do you have? Cab.
  If you take the rot out of carrot, what do you have? Car.
  If you take the fuck out of onions…………
  
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  October 24, 2016 10:03pm
Manolo

European madness:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-3866576/Italian-navy-officers-face-prosecution-drowning-300-migrants-failed-respond-promptly-SOS-calls.html
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October 25, 2016 6:33am
Manolo

The cohabitation saga:
http://observer.com/2016/10/no-consequences-from-media-peers-for-reporters-caught-colluding-with-hillary/
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