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From which party will the newly-formed NZ Peoples’ Party take votes in the upcoming Mt Roskill by-election?

Labour or National?

http://www.indianweekender.co.nz/Pages/ArticleDetails/7/6973/New-Zealand/We-want-balance-of-power-in-NZ-politics-Roshan-Nauhria

“…One of the major problems the residents face is that of law and order, which we have made our main agenda for the bypolls.

Immigration is another issue the party feels strongly about.

But for now, we will concentrate on the law and order situation in the area.

There have been a large number of instances wherein people and businesses from ethnic communities are regularly targeted by criminals and nothing is being done to fight the problem.

Our party will stand in support of the ethnic communities and ensure that their concerned are heard and addressed.
….”

I predict that Roshan Nauhria and his NZ Peoples’ Party will take votes from National in the Mt Roskill
by-election.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’
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October 22, 2016 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  GD screwed so early on
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:16am
  - stigie
    
    41 downticks before midday, how could this be….??
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:44am
    - sooty
      
      Because she’s as stupid as you!
      
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      October 22, 2016 12:16pm
- fernglas
  
  I don’t think history is with you on this, Penny. Migrant voters are politically conservative as a rule, and National is tougher on crime and softer on immigration than Labour. This could well be the by-election which breaks the rule that an incumbent Government always loses.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:20am
  - Gabby
    
    Recent migrants will only know that the (Nasty) gumming has always turned a blind eye to burglary and assault.
    
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    October 22, 2016 10:29am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      More utter crap from the expert crapologist.
      
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      October 22, 2016 10:37am
- RF
  
  Christ…. it’s back !!!!!!!!
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:28am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Who cares what you predict Ms Bright? Pay your rates, and then people might actually listen to you.
  
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  October 22, 2016 3:47pm
Captain Mainwaring

In your dreams you deluded old bat.
Pay your bloody rates.
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October 22, 2016 8:15am
jp_1983

Are you going to stand to fight against the Labour Green rort that is going on in Mt Roskill – or is your outrage only reserved for the great electorate of Epsom?
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October 22, 2016 8:15am
All_on_Red

Oh Danney boy…
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/exclusive-danney-williams-president-bill-clinton-knows-the-truth-i-am-his-son-arkansas-man-demands-paternity-test/
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October 22, 2016 8:19am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red ,
  
  CONSPIRACY CHECK
  
  My Quest to Find Bill Clinton’s Love Child
  
  I tried to report out a supermarket tabloid story decades later. You’ll probably believe what happened next.
  
  Could Breitbart , WND, Alex Jones etc and you explain why Danny Williams has resisted direct contact with Journalists like this one who would like to dig more deeply into his allegations ?
  I would have thought he would have everything to gain .
  
  Why the elusiveness and unwillingness to front up other than conspiracy theories of the let’s blame MSM variety ?
  
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/21/my-quest-to-find-bill-clinton-s-love-child.html
  
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  October 22, 2016 8:48am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘I tried to report out a supermarket tabloid story decades later. You’ll probably believe what happened next.’
    What? Could you ask the Stephie team member who speaks English to decipher this? Ta
    
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    October 22, 2016 9:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      All On Red , no read on ! Danny Williams declined to be interviewed .
      
      Why ?
      
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      October 22, 2016 9:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Declined to be interviewed?
        What don’t you understand about “The man claiming to be the son of former President Bill Clinton told Breitbart News Wednesday”
        Fuck you are thick.
        
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        October 22, 2016 9:12am
Stars And Stripes

Rodeos ‘animal abuse for entertainment’ – SAFE
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/country/316263/rodeos-'animal-abuse-for-entertainment'-safe

Sounds like a better way to fill in the weekend than having friends round for a vegetarian BBQ anyway.
The “abuse” to animals is of a more humane type than what you can see any day of the week down in your nearest state house area.
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October 22, 2016 8:19am
Manolo

Even our own stephieboy(s) would be horrified by this display of multiculturalism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3860168/Iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-Theresienbad-swimming-pool-sexual-emergency-conviction-overturned-Austrian-court-didn-t-prove-realised-boy-saying-no-incident-Austria-December-2015.html

An Iraqi refugee who raped a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool has had his conviction overturned because a court didn’t prove he realised the boy was saying no.

The rapist, identified as Amir A, 20, violently sexually assaulted the boy in the changing room of Theresienbad pool in Austria claiming it was a ‘sexual emergency’ because he had not had sex for four months.
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October 22, 2016 8:20am
- Jacob
  
  Don’t suppose he knew the age of consent was 14 either
  
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  October 22, 2016 8:50am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, your link has a sub link The Local which in turns links to the Cental European News . This agency disseminates titillating tabloid stories most often which prove often to be false as we see here,
  
  The King of Bullsh*t News
  How a small British news agency and its founder fill your Facebook feed with stories that are wonderful, wacky – and often wrong.”
  
  This is not to say Iraqi refugee rape allegation is false but that we have every right to be on our guard the angle tabloid sleaze takes on these kinds of issues .
  
  https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/central-european-news?utm_term=.nkVZXr5RP#.cmnRKwY4e
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:06am
  - Manolo
    
    Enough said, stephieboy. Allahu akbar.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:36am
  - starboard
    
    You are sickening steffyboy.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:42am
- SPC
  
  He remains in prison for the sexual assault on the minor, and is to be retried on the rape charge.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:10am
- burt
  
  Scum. You simply don’t find FSM followers behaving like this.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:19am
- SPC
  
  What in his background would lead him to think being alone with a weaker human being would be an opportunity to have sex he could not pass up?
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:24am
  - burt
    
    It was probably not extraordinary behaviour in the 7th century. Some might even categorise it as perfect.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:32am
Happychappy

Penny can you tell us when you have predicted any thing right.You have a history of failure, apart from being noted as one of NZ’s greatest bludgers so it would help if you paid your rates
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October 22, 2016 8:23am
- burt
  
  Penny has predicted correctly that people don’t like the way foreign banks and offshore mega companies treat the NZ tax payers. They have lots of capital, pay no taxes and meddle in our political affairs pushing their self serving agenda.
  
  Penny behaves like this too, that’s probably why we don’t like her either. Sitting on probably $1m worth of capital and not paying taxes – she is the 1% that she protests against.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:23am
All_on_Red

Yes, yes, I know it’s the Electoral Colleges which matter but some interesting breakdowns

‘A new high of 88% of voters now say they are certain how they will vote in this election. Among these voters, it’s Trump 48%, Clinton 47%.
‘Trump has the support of 78% of Republicans and 15% of Democrats and continues to hold a small lead among voters not affiliated with either major political party. Clinton has the backing of 77% of Democrats and 11% of GOP voters.
‘Mitt Romney earned 17% of the black vote in 2012, and Trump appears to be running near that level. Seventy-three percent (73%) of black voters favor Clinton. Ninety-one percent (91%) of blacks say they’ve made up their minds, making them slightly more certain than whites and other minority voters.’
A close thing still then in which if either can improve even slightly it may make all the difference. Turnout is going to be critical. Ground game vs apathy?
Also, Obama got over 93% of Black voters. Hillary is down at 73%. That’s not going to help her.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct21
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October 22, 2016 8:33am
- Fletch
  
  Seventy-three percent (73%) of black voters favor Clinton
  
  What is ironic and quite sad is that the Democrat party is the party of segregation, of slavery, of the KKK, of members of Congress filibustering amendments to give blacks voting rights, etc, and they are now totally ignorant of it and are voting for their slave masters.
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:46am
  - Kimbo
    
    Ah, but Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” of 1968 was the dog whistle for all the George Wallace Democrats to switch camps.
    
    And when Reagan and Bush I made “crime” and “drugs” campaign issues, those were even bigger racist dog whistles, and when the switch in allegiances was completed.
    
    That was sarcasm, btw 😉
    
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    October 22, 2016 10:50am
  - Manolo
    
    Most of them are unable to think for themselves, and need to be told what to do. It will be like that forever.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:38am
tom hunter

I think there was a question the other day and the general consensus was that a high turnout would help Trump.

I don’t agree. Low turnout would be best: make it like a mid-term election. To that end, Trump’s efforts to discourage female and black voters from bothering to vote Hillary make sense. The current polling situation could also work to her disadvantage, with Democrats certain it’s in the bag and staying home on election day.

Unfortunately that was also the case in 2008, when more McCain actually won the majority of those who voted on election day – but it did not matter because Obama’s machine had racked up overwhelming majorities in postal ballots and the like in the weeks leading up to that day. The Democrat machine seems to be running as well now as then, even with the lack of enthuisiasm.
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October 22, 2016 8:41am
- All_on_Red
  
  I think his support is pretty energised. They will all vote. Will all those previous non voters we hear now support him compensate for him being behind in other groups?
  Her support looks soft. The Dems have the best ground game by far but will they be able to get Blacks, Hispanics, Millenials and white women ALL out to vote.
  I still think they will but Trump only needs a modest % of those groups not to bother,to have a chance. Remember, her unfavourables are high too.
  
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  October 22, 2016 8:55am
  - Harriet
    
    “.,…Remember, her unfavourables are high too…..Her support looks soft. …….”
    
    That’s the key point in this election:
    
    EVERY US voter over the age of 30 will ask themselves consciously or unconsciously “Do I want the Clintons, Bill prominently included, again in the White House for at least another 4yrs.
    
    The answer in most cases is no, as Americans hated the Clintons at the end of Bill’s term.
    
    A journalist road his motor cycle from east coast to west coast two weeks ago, he covered almost 2000mls before he came across a yard sign that read “Vote for Hillary” Trump signs were every where. This is because the dems have mostly a online and media presence in the campaign, and that is where her votes are coming from. There is no ground support. You are right, her support is very soft, more so election day voting – as millennials, black ones included, and who are her current online supporters, don’t get out and vote.
    
    Reagan was down about 10% with 10 days to go, and with the current ground support that Trump has, the Trump party will gather momentum, and Trump will shit in.
    
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    October 22, 2016 9:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Reagan had a chance in that the last debate was (iirc) a day before the Election. He did very well and that swung it for him.
      The Dems ground game involves thousands of people who will be door knocking and collecting postal votes and taking people to the polls.
      Trump has something like 20% of that- in the States where he is even bothering.
      Sorry Harriet, but it’s all against him.
      
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      October 22, 2016 9:31am
    - Ross12
      
      Harriet
      
      Your comment about “yard boards” is the third comment I’ve seen saying the same thing –each one speaks of different areas of the USA , so it is interesting.
      Add to that the social media stats put up here recently from a post on Irish Savant and it confirms your point about ground support.
      
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      October 22, 2016 9:34am
    - Kimbo
      
      But ever since the late-1960s/early 1970s, elections have been won and lost in the electronic realm. Indeed, you could go back to the 1960s Kennedy vs Nixon debate for the starting point. Old fashioned whistle-stop tours and large rallies give a hyped and distorted impression, especially to the candidate in the middle of it. Nixon was arguing that after the 1970 mid terms. And it is why in 1972 he was able to sleep-walk to victory ahead of a polarising opponent backed by committed zealots.
      
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      October 22, 2016 9:36am
      - tom hunter
        
        I’ve just been re-reading the 4th volume – The Path To Power – of Caro’s magnificent biography of LBJ, and he goes into considerable detail about LBJ’s campaigning across the Southern states to win the election for Kennedy in 1960.
        
        Caro argues that it was the key to their win. In 1956 Eisenhower had won six of the thirteen Confederate states (what, you didn’t know that Eisenhower was just another dog-whistling, Rethuglican racist?), and the Democrats were very worried it could happen again.
        
        LBJ’s approach involved a very “un-electronic” angle as he criss-crossed the South in a special train in true Truman, whistle-stop style. Reporters looked down their noses at “The Cornpone Special” and Caro points out that virtually every other chronicle of that famous election has done likewise. Given the degree of worship of the Kennedy’s by historians and journalists-turned-historians, that’s hardly a surprise.
        
        Anyway, I was greatly amused by the train having a massive sound system which blared out The Yellow Rose of Texas as it came into and then departed each little burg, leading to this description from Caro:
        
        Since often the PA system was still turned on as the train left, his audiences could also hear his asides to his staff. “Good-bye, Greer,” he shouted to a little South Carolina town rapidly vanishing down the tracks.
        
        Good-bye, Greer.
        God bless you, Greer.
        Bobby, turn of that ‘Yeller Rose’.
        God bless you, Greer.
        Vote Democratic
        Bobby, turn off that fuckin’ ‘Yeller Rose’.
        
        Brilliant.
        
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        October 22, 2016 12:35pm
    - tom hunter
      
      No – Reagan was not down by 10% with ten days to go. That is just crap history. A myth, probably rooted in the idea that it was that single debate that turned things around. That’s not the case at all: it merely shunted in the same direction, voters who’d already been swinging to Reagan.
      
      He was down by that margin two months or more before the election. But by this stage of the campaign, every poll had him winning – it was just the margin that surprised people.
      
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      October 22, 2016 11:10am
Happychappy

I have read Bryce Edwards piece on NZ Unions this morning in the Herald and in one paragraph he goes on to say that Andrew Little’s former advisor Matt McCarten could become boss of the CTU if he choose to stand in future years, I have always believed the Union condones theft and after reading this from a leading academic from one of our top Univers’ity’s and if he is ever elected to the job will only confirm my belief
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October 22, 2016 8:54am
Kimbo

OK, I’ll have a go at uttering heresy. Two of them.

1. I don’t think the All Blacks will win tonight

2. I won’t be disappointed if they don’t

Twice before the Wallabies have denied the All Blacks of this recent era the record for consecutive test wins, and there is no reason they won’t do it again. Indeed, one of the incentives for any Wallabies team is, no matter how bad your season, it can be redeemed by tipping over the All Blacks. So all the pressure is on New Zealand, whereas the Australians can be in that motivated-yet-relaxed state of mind which is conducive to good sporting performance at the highest level.

Also, as great as this All Black team is…I’m still not sure if they were greater than the All Blacks of the 1960s, especially 1965-69. That team had to win over a number of seasons, with the vagaries and uncertainties of amateur sport.

Sure the current team had done well with personnel changes, but so did that team – Whineray and Stan Meads stepped down with no appreciable loss in quality, Williment, Laidlaw, Nathan, Tremain, Herewini and Rangi were replaced by the likes of McCormick, Going, Kirkpatrick, Kirton and Bill Davis, while Colin Meads, Ken Gray, Brian Lochore, Bruce McLeod and Ian MacRae remained the backbone.

Sure some of the teams they faced – the 1966 Lions and the Wallabies of late 1960s – were relatively weak, just as the current crop of Wallabies and Springboks are below-par. But at test level any team can beat another on the day. We just beat Australia after an awful performance with a last-minute penalty try in Brisbane in 1968 to keep the record going.

On the negative side, there is no doubt that dirty play was more common in that era, and the All Blacks, especially Colin Meads had a poor reputation. Fred Allen’s discipline addressed some of that – he permanently dropped a player who thumped an Englishman in front of the Queen at Twickenham.

But Allen’s greatest legacy, ahead of even that and his remarkable winning record while in charge from 1966-68, was that he revived running rugby. Ever since the ill-fated team he captained to South Africa in 1949 was beaten by goal kicking and the marauding/spoiling loose forward play of the likes of Hennie Muller, New Zealand rugby had cast aside balanced football as “too risky”. Instead, we relied on playing the percentages, and advancing up the field and (no kick into touch restrictions until 1968), pressuring via dominance in territory and possession, and accumulating points by the boot of Don Clarke. It’s how we beat the Springboks of 1956 and ’65, the Lions of 1959, and only lost one game on a 36 match European tour in 1963-64. But the style was not balanced, and the All Blacks earned a justified reputation for “safety-first”.

Fred Allen was the guy who told the 1967 All Blacks “we are going to run it”, and he dropped Williment for McCormick so they couldn’t necessarily rely on goal-kicking to win! Despite the skeptics like Meads and Tremain in the team, Allen proved to them they could do it. They ran England ragged to lead 23-5 just after halftime (an incredible score in that era) , beat a cracking-good (and dirty) French team 21-15, and came back from the dead to score two late tries against the Barbarians.

No matter whether the current All Blacks set a new record tonight, that All Black team of the mid to late 1960s achieved something no other has. It restored the balanced running rugby that made the Original All Blacks of 1905 and the Invincibles of 1924-25 justly famous, and in doing so proved the maxim of the 1967 All Black manager, Charlie Saxton that sums up the purpose of good rugby in every era – fourteen players working hard to give a 15th a half-a-metre start.
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October 22, 2016 9:00am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Great analysis, Kimbo.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:55am
- SPC
  
  Sure, winning 18 in a row would be a victory for total rugby arrogance.
  
  Upstarts without respect for their predecessors create new records.
  
  Much more modest would be to equal the record again and again by losing every 18th match (currently they have won 34 of the last 35). Thus a target of winning 54 games out of 57, by losing today and then sweeping the Lions next year on their way to a third 17 win run as they build to Japan in 2019.
  
  Modest excellence the kaizen way.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:56am
jonar

Trump performs a classic from the Great American Songbook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZnlz-b2NnY
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October 22, 2016 9:07am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Hillary understands
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:29am
SPC

Herr Nationalism returns – trump halloween.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37703416
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October 22, 2016 9:16am
SPC

The Chinese out the purpose of the atoll reclamation with their reaction to an American ship travelling through the south China sea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37734433
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October 22, 2016 9:19am
- Kimbo
  
  So, a Chinese version of the Monroe Doctrine will not be recognised. 😉
  
  Then again, the Japanese strategists were similarly bemused by American opposition that eventually led to oil embargoes to curtail their expansion into China in the 1930s and early 1940s. And rather than back down, they decided they had to source the oil available in the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), which entailed removing the threat of the American Pacific fleet. Hence the attack on Pearl Harbour.
  
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  October 22, 2016 9:21am
  - SPC
    
    The Americans are reacting to Duerte’s recent decision, which appears to be to ultimately invite China to make a bid for Subic Bay – concede to China military supremacy in the South China sea.
    
    If they go that way Vietnam and Malaysia may well kowtow. First outer circle.
    
    It would make Singapore lonely in ASEAN, but they would appreciate the impact on Chinese dominion over trade through this waterway region to Japan and South Korea. Thus it relates to the East China sea disputes and Chinese hegemony to their coast-lines as well – second outer circle (exit of US forces from South Korea and Japan).
    
    This would ensure one China (Taiwan and Hong Kong).
    
    Then Oz in ANZUS remains the exception west of Hawaii. The last resistance to China equality with the USA of the Americas in the Pacific.
    
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    October 22, 2016 9:37am
    - Harriet
      
      Philippine’s president his just literally told the US to fuck off – publicly. And he’s openly said he’s with China and Russia – or at least wants a meeting with both.
      
      I think the Chinese and Russian leaders will largely ignore him – as he’s as provocative as the North Korean leader.
      
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      October 22, 2016 9:41am
  - SGA
    
    @Kimbo
    
    So, a Chinese version of the Monroe Doctrine will not be recognised
    
    l0l – it’s really difficult to talk to US friends about the Monroe Doctrine sometimes.
    
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    October 22, 2016 9:56am
    - SPC
      
      Electing little digit would be a sign of machismo braggadocio, paw ownership of Latina modesty.
      
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      October 22, 2016 10:04am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ SGA
      
      l0l – it’s really difficult to talk to US friends about the Monroe Doctrine sometimes.
      
      Yes. I’m reminded of an alleged conversation between an American and British military expert during the Cuban Missile crisis, when the American said,
      
      “Look, you people just don’t know what it is like to have your security threatened by a hostile island just 80 miles from your coast!”,
      
      to which he received the reply,
      
      “My dear boy, we are an island just 20 miles from an entire continent that, during the last 1,000 years has regularly thrown up regimes more powerful than us, intent on our destruction”!
      
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      October 22, 2016 10:06am
SPC

Has the failed country that is Belgium just ended the capacity of the EU to make free trade deals?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37731955
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October 22, 2016 9:20am
Harriet

Trump like Abbott, will spend the next couple of weeks talking about women’s welfare – the economy, education, jobs, incomes, taxes and Obamacare.

Hillary like Gillard, will instead talk about women’s rights.

Or as Bill Clinton once said “It’s the economy stupid!” 😎
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October 22, 2016 9:21am
Reid

WATCH Donald Trump Annihilates Hillary Clinton At The Alfred E Smith Memorial Dinner – 10/20/16 FULL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN7cLyyJgGY
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October 22, 2016 9:39am
Kimbo

Hmm. Based on what happened to the owners of Chrisco and then Megaupload, if you own any shares in Zuru, it may be time to start divesting…

New owners of Kim Dotcom mansion promise good times ahead

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11732063
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October 22, 2016 9:51am
- SPC
  
  Not easy to get a share of their equity.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11439721
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:01am
RF

It’s amusing hearing Clintons media mouthpieces blasting Trump for refusing to say if he will accept the election result. The word… unconstitutional .. has been thrown around.

They forget that Al Gore who was their candidate refused to concede the 2000 election to Bush for months claiming voter fraud.

It different when the left does it.
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October 22, 2016 9:51am
- Fletch
  
  Morning Joe makes the same point. he really LETS RIP 😛
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTPXFfX9uQ
  
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  October 22, 2016 11:30am
- jonar
  
  http://time.com/4538450/donald-trump-al-gore-2000-rigged/
  
  Gore did not “refuse to accept the result on election day” in 2000, nor did he try “to overturn the result of the 2000 election” when he availed himself of the legal apparatus offered to candidates in especially close elections.
  
  Here’s what happened: In a rare historical fluke, the outcome of the Electoral College vote in 2000 hinged on the results in a single state, Florida. And after a roller coaster night of vote counting, in which the major television networks mistakenly called a victory for both Gore and George W. Bush, the margin between the two candidates was microscopic. Roughly one vote out of every 10,000.
  
  This infinitesimal gap triggered an automatic recount. In other words, there was no “result on election day.” Florida law—not Al Gore—sent the game into overtime. And those same Florida election laws allowed for candidates in such a close contest to challenge the tally, which Gore understandably did.
  
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  October 22, 2016 12:39pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Stop trying to re-write history, jonar. This is not ancient. Many of us lived through it.
    
    Every single Democrat friend of mine spent months snarling about how the 2000 election had been “stolen”. Every single one of them kept repeating that pathetic line that “Bush was selected, not elected” (how very Jesse Jackson of them), which Hillary also mouthed. And every one of them was convinced that the Supreme Court had been bought and sold.
    
    They shit-smeared their own democracy and every institution and I never heard one of them ever question whether that was a good idea or would damage US democracy.
    
    Double standards to the max.
    
    The only thing that bought all that shit to an end were the 9/11 attacks almost a year later, and even then there were “activists” and TV show hosts who’d snark about it for years afterwards – not to mention left-wing blog commentators.
    
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    October 22, 2016 12:51pm
Reid

Former Haitian Senate President Calls Clintons ‘Common Thieves Who Should Be in Jail’

An eyewitness to the Clinton Foundation’s corrupt dealings in Haiti says virtually nothing has been done to help the victims of the 2010 earthquake in Haiti that claimed an estimated 200,000 lives, and that the Clintons are nothing but common thieves who should be in jail.

Sandy Rios of American Family Radio interviewed former Haitian Senate President Bernard Sansaricq on Thursday, and the enraged Haitian had nothing good to say about the Clintons. He angrily claimed that they brought their “pay to play” politics to Haiti at the expense of the Haitian people.

Sansaricq said that the Clinton Foundation received 14.3 billion dollars in donation money to help with the relief effort. President Obama and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon put the Clinton Foundation in charge of the reconstruction, but Haiti has seen no help. The money all went to friends of Bill Clinton.

It is now known, thanks to WikiLeaks, that the State Department colluded with the Clinton Foundation to make sure that those multi-million dollar contracts would literally go to “friends of Bill.”

Email exchanges show Clinton Foundation officials in the hours after the massive earthquake reaching out to a senior aide to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who “repeatedly gave special attention to those identified by the abbreviations ‘FOB’ (friends of Bill Clinton) or ‘WJC VIPs’ (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs).”

“Need you to flag when people are friends of WJC,” wrote Caitlin Klevorick, then a senior State Department official who was juggling incoming offers of assistance being funneled to the State Department by the Clinton Foundation. “Most I can probably ID but not all.”

“They are nothing but common thieves,” the enraged Sansaricq told Rios. “And they should be in jail.”

Sansaricq said although Bill Clinton was put in charge of the reconstruction, he did absolutely nothing but give contracts to his cronies and built a sweatshop next to a goldmine that was given to Hillary Clinton’s brother, Anthony Rodham, in violation of the Haitian constitution.

He said he could go on for hours about the Clinton Foundation’s destruction of the rice production in Haiti because they were importing rice from Clinton’s cronies in Arkansas. And rice is something Haiti could really use right now.

The Clintons also awarded the country’s only cell phone company to another crony, Denis O’Brien, using taxpayer dollars. O’Brien has made 265 million dollars, and a substantial portion of that has gone back to the Clinton Foundation.

A Korean garment company is another Clinton Foundation “success story.” It was supposed to provide 60,000 jobs, but it has only provided about 5,000 jobs because it is located too far away to help the people in need. Top Hillary Clinton aide Cheryl Mills, he said, is also involved with this project. He says the company was awarded the contract because it is a donor to the Clinton Foundation.

Sansaricq pointed out that some of the 14.3 billion dollars the Clinton Foundation was given to rebuild the country after the 2010 earthquake could have been put toward building hurricane-proof infrastructure. But the Clintons only enriched themselves and did nothing to help the victims — and now the body count for Hurricane Matthew has gone up to over 1,000 people and millions of homes have been destroyed.

He said that Bill Clinton became a power broker in Haiti in 1994 when he invaded Haiti to restore democracy. “He wanted to have power in Haiti even after his presidency,” Sansaricq said.

He claimed that after he became the president of the Senate, then-President Clinton tried to “buy him out” and “make him the richest man in Haiti.” He says he told Clinton he was not for sale. After that, his visa was revoked by a Clinton executive order.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/13/former-haitian-senate-president-calls-clintons-common-thieves-who-should-be-in-jail/
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October 22, 2016 9:53am
stephieboy

All_on_Red

Declined to be interviewed?
What don’t you understand about “The man claiming to be the son of former President Bill Clinton told Breitbart News Wednesday”
Fuck you are thick.

Tsk, tsk , tsk

There you go resort to your typical abuse when queried on mere fact that Danny Williams has declined to be interviewed regarding his minders and his mother ‘s allegations .

Unless he fronts up it is safe to say the allegations are unproven or at best are false .

And guess who helps fund James O ‘Keefe and his Project Vertias ?

None other than the Trump Foundation ,

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-foundation-paid-activist-filmmaker-james-o-keefe-n670381
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October 22, 2016 10:18am
- All_on_Red
  
  Stephie
  Frankly the way you fly around this blog taking digs at everyone’s comments and being a rude little troll you deserve all the abuse you get. Given the number of downticks you get, most would prefer it if you left and never came back as you add nothing to our discussions.
  
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  October 22, 2016 11:56am
Stars And Stripes

Russian Show Of Naval Strength Backfires
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/85637685/russia-makes-show-of-naval-strength-on-the-english-channel-on-the-way-to-syria
“Russia’s show of naval strength in the English Channel may have backfired, with black smoke belching from the country’s recently-refitted aircraft carrier hinting at engine troubles, a military analyst says”.

What a joke,hope they have some oars on board as it sounds like they might come in handy.
Time to import some more Ladas into NZ and showcase the finest in Russian automotive technology also.
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October 22, 2016 10:18am
- stephieboy
  
  Russia should give up . One carrier versus the U S ‘s
  19 ,
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_in_service
  
  it has along with China ( one ) no show !
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:24am
- Kimbo
  
  I posted it yesterday, but I’ll do it again – at least they didn’t sink the Hull herring trawlers like the last time a Russian surface fleet sailed through the general vicinity surrounding the British Isles! I mean, of course the Japanese Imperial Navy would be lying in wait in the North Sea!
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:24am
  - Gabby
    
    They wouldn’t want to offend the Spanish.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:29am
- Jack5
  
  If the carrier is the Ulyanovsk it is nuclear powered, so the folk in Europe should be hoping the smoke isn’t radioactive.
  
  China is building two carriers based on the Ulyanovsk design. So maybe we, too, better hope the smoke from this carrier isn’t radioactive.
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:29am
- Paulus
  
  Of course what is more important is not that the Carrier is crap but the intent of the Russians – called Putinitis – to continue to set up the new Russian Federation of the Mediterranean.
  They have effectively annexed part of Syria on the coast and with their massive military base and the Port of Latakia.
  They will never go home again having created and taken a Mediterranean Country by subjugation and stealth from a very weak Assad.
  Caveat though – Muslim Country.
  It is reported that ISIS troops are quietly being allowed to exit Iraq via a corridor to Syria from Mosul – leaving fanatic self killers there to cover their positions.
  Is interesting to watch this happening whilst the US crap themselves in an uncontrolled fashion with the corrupt Clinton election.
  Putin is laughing.
  
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  October 22, 2016 11:07am
Jack5

A British homosexual says the pardoning of those convicted for homosexual offences in the past isn’t enough. This is from the Guardian:

We need more than pardons for those convicted. What’s needed is an independent investigation in to how the British state could have treated us as it did.

You don’t need an “independent investigation” to know it was the opinion and mood of those times, just as burning witches and hanging, drawing, and quartering “traitors” were part of the opinions and mood – the culture – of earlier times.

Calls for apologies for past actions against homosexuals, and for past racism, and for past treatment of women and children, eventually will cause a sharp reaction against political correctness.
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October 22, 2016 10:23am
- Kimbo
  
  …and imprisoning recusants, Jack5!
  
  Good old British justice, when the sun never set on their empire, and you were innocent until proven Irish and Catholic. 😉
  
  Joking aside, yes, a good and obvious point. “The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there” (LP Hartley).
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:27am
- stephieboy
  
  jack 5 , I heard the news item about this recently and does seem rather extreme . It began with a posthumous pardon for Alan Turing which is understandable given his contributions to Computer science and codebreaking Bletchley Park .
  
  But to seek a pardon for all like past convicted seems to be going way over over the top.
  
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  October 22, 2016 10:29am
  - Harriet
    
    The authorities seldom broke down doors.
    
    Like in NZ, homosexuality and sexuality was and still is, a matter of public safety — males loitering in public places such as toilets, treed areas, and sand dunes while sexually aroused always will be. Children have a right to public property also – more so in the day time.
    
    They should not have their convictions overturned if they were in public committing crimes. If they were in private then in most cases probably yes.
    
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    October 22, 2016 10:40am
  - Paulus
    
    Am currently reading a book originally in Swedish called “Fall of Man in Wilmslow” ( in Cheshire UK) being “The Death and Life of Alan Turing -a novel”.
    Author David Lagercrantz.
    It certainly relates to the times in UK shortly after the war and the intense and harsh politically correctness.
    The media had a considerably part in the persecution of homosexual behavior, and in particular Turin’s ultimate suicide.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:15am
    - Jack5
      
      Turing was a brillliant man, and a pioneer in computing.
      
      However, jingoists and story simplifiers have over-egged the pudding for the feast on the exploits of the code breakers of Britain’s Bletchley Park.
      
      The Poles gave the British a good lead on cracking the Enigma coding machines used by the Germans, and the Poles have rarely been given credit for this.
      
      The Germans did well, too, cracking British naval codes well into the war, and New Zealand’s part is seldom trumpeted.
      
      Our part was two NZ trawler minesweepers ramming and sinking a Japanese submarine bigger than themselves at Guadalcanal in January 1943 (their shells couldn’t penetrate the sub’s armour). The sub’s displacement was bigger than that of the minesweepers combined.
      
      The Japanese naval code book was recovered from the sub that the minesweepers had forced to beach.
      
      The Japanese used code books while the Germans used coding machines, and the book recovered would have contributed to the Americans’ success in reading Japanese naval communications.
      
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      October 22, 2016 12:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        jack 5 , however, Turing’s Bombe ( electro mechanical device – computer ) was decisive in cracking Enigma ,
        
        http://www.rutherfordjournal.org/article030108.html
        
        And yes the Poles need to be given credit for capturing one of them and recognising their significance .
        
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        October 22, 2016 12:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X:
        
        The Poles not only provided the Enigma machine to Britain, they broke the early Enigma codes and gave them to Britain before the outbreak of World War 2.
        
        According to this report in The Telegraph, of London:
        
        They [the Poles] even taught Turing how to build electro-mechanical devices which simulated the workings of the Enigma machine and enabled operators to cycle through one possible setting after another.
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/polish-codebreakers-cracked-enigma-before-alan-turing/
        
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        October 22, 2016 10:23pm
Notsofast

Kerry MacDonald is a good father. One of the statements below is true, and someone shoukl bring it to the notice of Miss Piggy. (Judith Collins)

“””Kerry Macdonald said he and his wife Marlene are relieved their son’s ordeal is over.
He said he never doubted his son’s innocence in the Guy murder and believes the killer is still “out there”.

“I knew [Ewen] didn’t do it.” “””

When will the New Zealand police have the guts to investigate murders by young gang prospects?
Unaccounted for is Sue Schwalger’s immediate declaration they would stop looking for the car, semi automatic shotgun and two assassins.
She is now District Commander. Collins? Adams? Key? you could not give a flying **** could you?
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October 22, 2016 10:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Another conspiracy theory by Notsofast.
  
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  October 22, 2016 11:22am
  - Notsofast
    
    Well except Mike White was embedded with the defence, and has recounted the detail that precludes any possibility Ewan was involved. After reading his book what did you think Captain? Every piece of evidence was manufactured by the police under the direction of Sue Schwalger. It is an absolute disgrace and dangerous she could get away with closing the file when her bogus theory was exposed for the staggering mendacity required to get that baby in the air.
    
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    October 22, 2016 11:32am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Is your theory that prospects are driving around and murdering random people, then the cops are framing innocents because they are afraid of or bought off by the gangs?
  
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  October 22, 2016 12:03pm
  - Notsofast
    
    There are no random killings. Huia George Foley killed Urban Hoglin to have sex with Heidi. Len Demler killed the Crewes because Jeanette was about to expose him for forging Maisie Demler’s will.
    Robin Bain shot his family because he was to be exposed for screwing his daughter. Malcom Rewa killed Susan Burdett because she attacked him. Gangsters killed Christine and Amber Lundy because Mark was in Petone when they came to scare him into finding cash for an invoice not yet due, and Christine tried to defend her home.
    And I understand the gang prospects were after Ewen MacDonald for despoiling their territory. I wonder if they were awarded their patches or had their skulls banged so hard together they fused, for getting The Wrong Guy.
    Have you got a better theory on any of these?
    
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    October 22, 2016 12:20pm
    - sooty
      
      There you go, all of them cases are solved. T police can now catch some burglers.
      
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      October 22, 2016 12:25pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Tooth fairies have got you totally enthralled.
        Take a line through the police not conceding one inch on the exonerated and compensated cases above, to realise that in fact the cases are six from six.
        I can’t believe New Zealanders are so thick that they can be hoodwinked over and over.
        The police files are all available for study, and the conclusions inescapable.
        
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        October 22, 2016 12:53pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Got a better theory?
      
      Yeah I do, your fucked in the head.
      
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      October 22, 2016 12:56pm
      - Notsofast
        
        That gets close to the pinnacle of debating method and best practice. Thank you for your attention to detail.
        
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        October 22, 2016 1:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        In your case, Notsofast, l suggest we just call Awww C-mon’s profane yet accurate post a good application of…Occam’s Razor 😉
        
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        October 22, 2016 1:12pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Kimbo, that is a fair and sensible way to imagine it. The problem arises when we see the public have embraced 2 of the 6 cases as being resolved in favour of innocence, Thomas and Pora, yet the police maintain an official stance they got the cases correct. Occam would prefer them to be correct six from six, but he will also allow for the converse. Wrong, wrong, wrog, wrong, wrong and wrong.
        With a good amount of malicious intent to go with it.
        
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        October 22, 2016 1:21pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Nosofast (really accurate name tbh)
        
        David killed his family, so did Lundy. courts are 50/50 on that one IMHO. You’ve wasted enough time giving your opinions on these in the past so lets not go back over that.
        
        Scott Guy was a gang cock up? give me one link, story, piece of proof to back up your story. What involvement have you had in NZ gang culture to back this up other than watching Sons of Anarchy with your milky tea that mum fetched?
        
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        October 22, 2016 2:15pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Awww C-mon, your concern should be not that I am a loan nutter with a key board, but that science and logistics make it a stone cold certainty each case is a wrong conviction, or in the case of MacDonald, prosecution. What is scary is that four of these are double prosecutions. 10 false prosecutions in a few decades is a story that no one seems willing to tell.
        
        There is a 200 page dossier on the police corruption laziness and incompetence behind the Lundy prosecutions, and new material is being continually found. They never spent 24,000 hours on the case, the notebooks show it. It should be released to every legal media and parliamentary entity in the country if one more sweaty private club legal palm stamps appeal denied.
        
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        October 22, 2016 2:36pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        “I am a loan nutter with a key board” and dropping a word or two from a sentence and bang! there’s the truth from the horse’s mouth
        
        Can you answer my question about McDonald?
        
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        October 22, 2016 3:01pm
      - Notsofast
        
        My understanding of the MacDonald fiasco is that he was on their territory. Maybe there was a side deal on the stags being raised to be butchered by American gun nutzz, and MacDonald buggered it for them. Or some other issue. However we know there was no motive for anyone to kill Scott Guy, so mistaken identity is the obvious solution. MacDonald himself speculates as much, he probably knows. I was even shown a diagram of the farm, the gates and so on. It all makes perfect sense. So, a si mple job waiting for a gang, killing is what they do often and well, just watch the stories from time to time. A lot can be learned just from the George Taoroa story.
        
        “””””How would I put it? If I was gonna shoot Pengelly I would have shot Pengelly. Pengelly would be dead, you know what I mean? You can’t mistake those two.
        
        “For us [Mongrel Mob] if we were to shoot Pengelly, we would have used a stolen vehicle…got the right man, we wouldn’t go and shoot some random. If he actually molested my [relative] that would call for that, but…it was just exposure, there was no actual contact. That’s why we didn’t escalate it.”
        
        He says the gang tried to make its own inquiries after Taiaroa was killed.
        
        “We did try and follow it up as best as we could ‘cos it happened in our back yard. We thought it would have been a stolen vehicle so when we went out hunting we were looking for a stolen truck that might have been burnt out.
        
        “Usually when you do things you’ll dump the vehicle straight after, get rid of it. We couldn’t get any leads…that’s how I knew it had nothing to do with anyone from around here.”
        
        He describes the Taiaroa murder as a “hate crime” and says Winders “isn’t very clever in the criminal mindframe” because he should have disguised his vehicle beforehand, not after. “””
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83326433/Mongrel-Mob-member-admits-he-tried-to-extort-a-colleague-of-George-Taiaroa-but-denies-wanting-him-dead
        
        So you see how they think. Sure they don’t make mistakes, far too clever.
        But this time they did.
        
        But Schwalger and her half wits wouldn’t be fooled by a crime solution that made sense…..
        
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        October 22, 2016 3:52pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        So really notsofast all you have is …the mob upset over a stag, the bravado of a mobster talking shit about a totally unrelated case and your own spin/hang-ups/conspiracy
        
        Sorry but I was right the first time, you’re a fucking nutter of D4J standards. I hear Penny’s looking for a friend, she’s dumb enough to buy this crap too.
        
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        October 22, 2016 6:07pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Awww C-mon,
        You asked for more on MacDonald. What we learned from Mike White is that all evidence used to prosecute him was consistent with his alibis and innocence, so they had the wrong man. Accordingly a jury acquitted him.
        This leads to speculation as to who committed the murder, for all New Zealanders but District Commander Sue Schwalger. You might be fine with that, but it is a moronic position to hold.
        Clearly there was a car, the tyre marks, and a driver and a man with a semi auto shotgun. I have been told with a stunning degree of certainty by a person who should know, it was two young gang prospects and they were after MacDonald.
        
        Now, can your grandma suck eggs yet? Go teach her.
        
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        October 22, 2016 6:57pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Were you
        
        A/ awake
        B/ sober
        C/ lucid
        D/ clothed
        
        When this happened
        
        ” I have been told with a stunning degree”
        
        I’m calling bullshit
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:11pm
      - Notsofast
        
        We have established in fact and law that Sue Schwalger was talking bullshit for a few years. I will leave peddling that garbage to Schwalger and Ben Van Der Kolk.
        The latter has had two bites of the Lundy cherry and is still wrong. Hang your head in shame Ben.
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:25pm
    - dirty harry
      
      “Gangsters killed Christine and Amber Lundy because Mark was in Petone when they came to scare him into finding cash for an invoice not yet due”
      
      That ones the biggest bollocks I have ever heard on the Lundy case. Go and have a lie down.
      
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      October 22, 2016 6:56pm
      - Notsofast
        
        No, it is exactly what happened.
        
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        October 22, 2016 6:58pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        No, the fat fuck killed them.
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:12pm
      - Notsofast
        
        That’s what the police and cabinet implore you to believe, but you are wrong. There is plenty I can’t disclose, but it is coming down the pike to reek havoc with complacent Wellington fools.
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:23pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Messiah complex much?
        
        Let me know when it’s going to rain brimstone and fire, now I’m watching some footy.
        
        FYI, glad wrap over top of the tinfoil is good in the rain but underneath the tinfoil it gives you a headache.
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:27pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Yes enjoy the footy, and the revelations not far off. I have enjoyed debating.
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:29pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        On ya for that notsofast,
        
        Enjoy your night
        
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        October 22, 2016 8:35pm
      - Gabby
        
        So he’s paid up now has he?
        
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        October 22, 2016 10:51pm
Reid

The TRUTH about Benghazi, Ambassador Stevens, and the Clinton-Obama TEAM as revealed by Wikileaks

Amb. Stevens was sent to Benghazi post haste in order to retrieve US made stinger missiles supplied to Ansar al Sharia without Congressional oversight or permission.
Hillary brokered the deal through Stevens and a private arms dealer named Marc Turi.
Then some of the shoulder-fired missiles ended up in Afghanistan used against our own military.
It was July 25th, 2012 when a Chinook helicopter

was taken down by one of our own stingers, but the idiot Taliban didn’t arm the missile, and the Chinook didn’t explode but had to land anyway.

An ordnance team recovered the serial number off the missile which led back to a cache of stingers being kept in Qatar by the CIA.

Obama and Hillary were now in full panic mode and Stevens was sent in to retrieve the rest of the stingers.

This was a “do-or-die” mission, which explains the stand down orders given to multiple commando teams.

It was the State Dept, not the CIA that supplied them to our sworn enemies, because Petraeus wouldn’t supply these deadly weapons due to their potential use on commercial aircraft.

Then, Obama threw Gen. Petraeus under the bus after he refused to testify that he OK’d the BS talking points about a spontaneous uprising due to a Youtube video.

Obama and Hillary committed treason…and THIS is what the investigation is all about, why she had a private server, (in order to delete the digital evidence), and why Obama, two weeks after the attack, told the UN that the attack was because of a Youtube video, even though everyone knew it was not…

…So we have a traitor as POTUS that is not only corrupt but compromised…and a woman who is a serial liar perjured herself multiple times at the Hearing, who is running for POTUS…

As I said yesterday, I’ve heard Killary’s “deleted” 33,000 emails are to be released in a week or so. And they detail indictable treason.

https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2016/10/19/the-truth-about-benghazi-ambassador-stevens-and-the-clinton-obama-team-as-revealed-by-wikileaks/
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- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,
  
  there is not a shred of evidence that 400 Stingers or ” thousands of MANPADS ( according to Ron Paul) fell into the hands of Islamic Terrorists ,
  
  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/mar/09/rand-paul/paul-gets-it-wrong-fate-libyan-missiles/
  
  There may have been a very small number. However , there is no evidence of thousands and certainly no evidence of their deployment in Libya or elsewhere in the ME .
  
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  October 22, 2016 12:04pm
  - sooty
    
    Do you wear MANPADS, Stephiebitch?
    
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    October 22, 2016 12:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      No, but you give it a try if you’re most likely crazy enough ,
      
      http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/rtnwcm/groups/gallery/documents/digitalasset/rtn_206614.jpg
      
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      October 22, 2016 12:38pm
  - stephieboy
    
    OPINION
    BENGHAZI BIOPSY: A COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO ONE OF AMERICA’S WORST POLITICAL OUTRAGES
    
    Beyond Disgraceful
    
    “…..In the end, one thing is clear: This rabid partisanship or unmitigated deception or utter incompetence conflicts with everything this country stands for. Four men died serving their country; it is beyond disgraceful that their memories are used for cartoons and political buttons and television shows all for the purpose of advancing outright falsehoods just to gain political points.
    
    In their refusal to read documents or accept facts over fantasies, Republican conspiracy theorists have damaged this country in ways that cannot yet be fully comprehended. No doubt, the terrorists set on attacking America are cheering them on. Nothing could delight some terrorist sitting in a Syrian or Libyan or Iraqi hovel while hearing a top Republican congressman brag on television that a relatively small attack on a U.S.compound continues to threaten to transform a presidential election in the most powerful country in the world.
    
    Ambassador Stevens and the three other men who died on that terrible day in Benghazi are not shiny objects to be dangled for political entertainment. They are American heroes. Serve their memories: Disband this inexcusable Benghazi committee, throw out the buttons and bumper stickers and fundraising letters. Allow the dead to finally rest in peace.”
    
    http://www.newsweek.com/benghazi-biopsy-comprehensive-guide-one-americas-worst-political-outrages-385853
    
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    October 22, 2016 12:23pm
Fletch

I posted this higher up the chain as well, but it’s really worth the laugh as Morning Joe tears the Dems a new one over their claims of Donald possibly not accepting the results as “unconstitutional”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTPXFfX9uQ
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October 22, 2016 11:39am
Manolo

What wouldn’t the crook Clinton do for 12 million dollars? Another example of her pay-for-play:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacked-emails-show-clinton-pushed-for-charity-meeting-in-morocco/
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October 22, 2016 11:41am
big bruv

I note that the MSM is finally going after the NZRU, Steve Tew, the NZ national team and the pair of mumbling morons who coach and captain the national side. This is about time; Rugby in NZ supports a thuggish culture where violence against innocent civilians is condoned as “the boys letting off some steam”. I do hope that the MSM do a proper job on this story, I want them to expose their colleagues the sports journalists for being complicit by looking the other way and refusing to report the endless assaults, bashing and sexual crimes committed by rugby players in NZ.
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October 22, 2016 11:47am
- Kimbo
  
  Meanwhile, in other rugby news and opinions ~~from around the world~~ (oops, sorry, as per bb, it is not a global game! 😉 ) :
  
  Steve Hansen’s All Blacks the ‘best of the pro rugby era’: former Lions coach
  
  Last updated 08:03, October 17 2016
  
  McGeechan, writing in his regular column in London’s Daily Telegraph newspaper, said the “only side that can stand comparison [to the current New Zealand team] is the 1987 All Blacks, who won the first World Cup.
  
  “They changed rugby, and the shape of the game as it was played.
  
  “But this side are taking the game to levels not seen before.”
  
  McGeechan, who coached the Lions on their 1993 New Zealand tour and was coach of the 2005 mid-week side, said the All Blacks had a core of experienced players, led by skipper Kieran Read, but their newer recruits had caught the eye.
  
  “What has been particularly impressive about this side is that they have done all this with new players coming in.
  
  “What Hansen has done is allow the newcomers to add their strengths to the All Black game. It makes the team so enjoyable to watch because you are never quite sure how they are going to evolve in attack.
  
  “It is not a case of these players fitting in, rather it is the group that is already there reacting to the new qualities being introduced. And what that does is make the side harder to read for the opposition.”
  
  McGeechan said All Black halves Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett were the best in the world, but also praised T J Perenara for his work in Smith’s absence,saying it highlighted the All Blacks’ depth and their “ability to respond to a new player’s presence”.
  
  He said in the Telegraph that the All Blacks “keep coming at you”. “Look at the number of tries they score after the hooter has gone. There is simply no let-up.
  
  “They have never scored enough. That has always been the case with New Zealand rugby …”
  
  McGeechan said there was “one heck of a lot to copy” for the rest of the rugby world in terms of the All Blacks’ individual and collective skills, which were honed in Super Rugby.
  
  He said the “simple truth is that week in and week out” English premiership players were “not challenged in their skill-sets in the same way. There is much more pattern.”
  
  New Zealand players’ “awareness and understanding” was so good and they were quicker to get into position and “recognise where the next threat could be”.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/85400612/steve-hansens-all-blacks-the-best-of-the-pro-rugby-era-former-lions-coach
  
  But what the hell does Sir Ian McGeechan know about rugby compared to big bruv?! 😉
  
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  October 22, 2016 11:54am
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    McGeechan also knows that we are the only country in the world that takes the game seriously. McGeechan also knows that rugby is a minor world game. McGeechan is one of the greats of the game, he is a man who has never pretended that the NZ team are more famous than they actually are, he is a man of honour and a man to be respected. What a pity so few NZ rugby players enjoy that type of worldwide respect.
    
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    October 22, 2016 1:11pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Did you have a girl friend “stolen” by an All Black some time in your sad and bitter past?
      
      Genuine question… 😉
      
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      October 22, 2016 1:16pm
      - Happychappy
        
        I could be wrong but no girl would that stupid,but then again you have Penny
        
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        October 22, 2016 2:24pm
- stigie
  
  I take it you won’t be watching the ABs tonight Big Bruv and them getting the record of 18 straight wins in a row..?
  
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  October 22, 2016 11:56am
  - Manolo
    
    I take that bruv will be the first person to comment tomorrow morning.
    
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    October 22, 2016 12:07pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Yep with his retraction and apology for the slanderous statement about Dan Carter and Jo Rocococko.
      
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      October 22, 2016 12:50pm
      - big bruv
        
        Did Carter and the Fijian (another player stolen from the Islands by the NZRU) take illegal drugs or not?
        
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        October 22, 2016 12:54pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        No. Corticosteroids are not illegal. They had medical dispensation as you well know.
        So you’re prepared to retract?
        
        Jo stolen at the age of 5 from Fiji? Wow that’s weapons grade ignorance.
        
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        October 22, 2016 2:50pm
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    Is there a game on?
    
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    October 22, 2016 1:15pm
    - stigie
      
      Even Dad knows it’s game on BB ?
      
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      October 22, 2016 1:57pm
    - Fletch
      
      Beats me…lol
      
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      October 22, 2016 2:17pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Is there a game on?
      
      Um, Dodgers vs Cubs, game 6 in the National League Championship series our time tomorrow (our time)? As it stands, tom hunter’s Cubs are one win away from making their first World Series since 1945. I’ll keep everyone posted 😉
      
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      October 22, 2016 6:20pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Indeed. Actually I’m going to be able to relax all through this one because I don’t expect the Cubs to win. Kershaw has just been too damned good against every team he’s faced this season. And then there’s Jansen’s 95+mph closing crap to deal with for two innings.
        
        Tough for hitters.
        
        Still, anything can happen. When Kershaw prevented the Cubs scoring one run for seven innings their best hitters had already been in a slump for a lot of innings. That’s not the case now. And the Cubs have already put away some very good pitchers to get to this point. As confident as the Dodgers will be they’ll have to be thinking about that, even if Kershaw is not. And there’s always fielders errors.
        
        And I’d love to see Kyle Hendricks reverse that pitcher’s duel he lost 1-0 to Kershaw the other night. That would be sweet.
        
        Basically the Cubs are a bunch of cocky young kids who know no fear. Did you see Baez’s bare-handed scoop and throw to 1st the other day? They’re fun to watch.
        
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        October 22, 2016 7:00pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Never see any comments from you about the behaviour of footballers who take boorish behaviour on and off the field to a different level. Why’s that? Is it a narrative killer?
  
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  October 22, 2016 12:53pm
  - big bruv
    
    What makes you think I am a soccer fan?
    
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    October 22, 2016 12:55pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Because you seem to think that poor behaviour is the sole domain of NZ rugby players. If you read overseas papers you would see any number of headlines involving idiots from a variety of sporting codes.
      
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      October 22, 2016 2:49pm
      - big bruv
        
        Indeed there are. The difference is that overseas media organisations do not live in fear of being frozen out of the NZ rugby teams inner circle if they dare report what actually goes on when “the boys are letting off some steam”. NZ rugby players are as bad, if not worse than the feral scum playing bulrush over the Tasman. The difference here is that our media very rarely report what happens.
        
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        October 22, 2016 3:00pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        of FFS BB,
        
        If the culture was as bad as you keep bitching about why is Smith being hung out to dry? In fact his treatment is the exact opposite of the culture you bitch about and the handling of this episode is exactly what you ask of the union.
        
        Only happy when your having a moan aren’t ya… you’d be a fun fucker to have a drink with….Not.
        
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        October 22, 2016 6:13pm
- SPC
  
  Violence against civilians is bb’s way of acknowledging that the AB’s are paragons of virtue … on the field.
  
  Though the idea that consensual sex with a women is violence against a civilian is an advance into radical feminist criticism I would have thought was beyond his academic education and intellectual heft.
  
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  October 22, 2016 7:02pm
big bruv

So Kimbo, Stigie, Manolo and others all defend the right of NZ rugby players to bash and assault innocent bystanders as a way of letting off some steam.
That’s your stereotypical NZ rugby fan right there folks.
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October 22, 2016 12:57pm
- Kimbo
  
  So So Kimbo, Stigie, Manolo and others…
  
  Talk about ~~Poirot~~ Clouseau with the suspects in the drawing room 😉
  
  Yes, er, no, bb, I have not yet stopped beating my wife.
  
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  October 22, 2016 1:06pm
Brigitte

In a slightly related to rugby note, it’s good to see Ryan Fox 4 shots clear at the halfway stage of the European Challenge golf.
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October 22, 2016 1:24pm
stigie

Brigitte:- With Lydia having a shocker last 2 tournaments, still being young, i hope this is not the start of player burnout. It does happen from time to time but just hope she is managed properly ?
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October 22, 2016 1:48pm
- Brigitte
  
  Not surprisingly (after sacking her caddy) she’s having this week off. Her nearest rivals are all playing and she’ll lose the CME lead (LPGA year points) as things currently stand. But in the world rankings she’s still well clear and the last 6 months have been strong despite the lack of wins. (rankings can be found at http://www.rolexrankings.com/en/rankings/).
  
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  October 22, 2016 2:04pm
stigie

+100 (as they do at the Stranded)
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October 22, 2016 2:43pm
Reid

So Who Hacked Clinton? The Truth Could Be More Shocking Than You Expected

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/10/21/so-who-hacked-clinton-truth-could-be-more-shocking-than-you-expected.html
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October 22, 2016 3:47pm
Biscuit

Big Family ‘Monopoly’ battle here before the Rugby tonight.

I have already got my ‘I will refuse to accept the result of the game … unless I win’ disclaimer in…
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October 22, 2016 4:21pm
SPC

Another good result for the Hurricanes in Wellington, their recent exceptional form in Super 15 followed poor Lions seasons.

The Lions remain downstairs after defeat by North Harbour.
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October 22, 2016 4:47pm
Zed

Enjoy today’s load of so-called refugees.Moroccans posing as Syrians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPKzox4UVZk

Too bad you guys don’t speak the language. They’re bragging about how they will fool Europeans by claiming they are escaping torture and abuse.

On a more serious note; The Syrian families I’ve worked with -while I genuinely believed they were legitimate refugees- roughly do the same; All the families that arrived to NZ in the past two years (9 of which I was involved with directly) were living and working in Egypt and Lebanon -NONE CAME FROM A REFUGEE CAMP- They still have relatives whom they contact in those two countries; and in one case, a Syrian family actually came from no other than..Behold: Dubai!!

According to them; they left Syria -did not escape in the middle of the night with nothing but the clothes they had on like your MSM want you to believe- and while not rich, they had enough to rent and with income from work they managed like millions of Egyptians and Lebanese, and of course other Syrians in those countries.

In one case, the Red bloody Cross and NZ immigration even offered asylum status for a family because the person who was originally offered asylum status did not want to come alone! Quote:(I told them I had no one in NZ so they offered to bring my sister, her husband, and their 4 kids!). Go figure!

That’s not all; they were also advised” by other refugees who’ve been here for a while”” that the govt. will pay them more in support if they have more children; yup! less than a year later 3 families pops out 3 children even though they have 3, 3, and 2 each. That’s our tax money so next time a PC or leftist retard talks about child poverty simply tell them to shut up, stop demanding increasing refuge quota, probably then we’ll have more money to spend on Kiwis for a change.

Had enough?! rest assured there is more; tips on tax evasion, playing the system, etc… I witnessed it all before calling it quits and give the bloody Red Cross the finger. Of course I did notify IRD about the tax evasion case in which the person had to pay a not-so-hefty amount of money plus interest back; but you didn’t read about it on Stuff or the Herald now, did you; I wonder why when we are bombarded with stories about refugees doing this and that? Conspiracy theory maybe? Globalists and PC fascists don’t want such stories to come out? Nah; surely there is a perfectly good reason our PC residents in KB can share

The real stories are only told when you speak the language and people consider you one of them; they let their guard down and all the “victim”bullshit goes out the window.
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October 22, 2016 5:20pm
- Manolo
  
  And yet stephieboy will tell you they “enrich” our lives. Pftttt.
  
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  October 22, 2016 5:27pm
- nasska
  
  I’d go along with that Zed. I was brought up on the east coast north of Gisborne when Maori was spoken more than English. My father, although pakeha, was a fluent Maori speaker yet he never advertised the fact.
  
  I remember him saying that it was amazing the things he learned by just listening.
  
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  October 22, 2016 5:52pm
Manolo

The clown Biden adds a bit of levity to the occasion:
https://news.grabien.com/story.php?id=915

Vice President Biden, speaking at a Hillary Clinton rally Friday afternoon in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., said he wishes he were in high school and could beat up Donald Trump.
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October 22, 2016 5:25pm
- SPC
  
  I am waiting for the revelation on breitbart that the creepy clown phenomena was the work of the DNC, and how they were getting frustrated that no one in the media was yet referring to Trump as the titular head of the creepy clown movement.
  
  PS – it would have to be breitbart now that wikileaks cannot leak the email the weekend before the vote.
  
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  October 22, 2016 5:50pm
Reid

Damascus, SANA – President Bashar al-Assad stressed that protecting civilians in Aleppo necessitates getting rid of the terrorists.

Speaking in an interview with the Swiss SRF 1 TV channel, the President said “Of course, it’s our mission according to the constitution and the law. We have to protect the people, and we have to get rid of those terrorists in Aleppo. That’s how we can protect civilians.”

He added that it goes without saying that the way to protect the civilians in Aleppo is to attack the terrorists who hold the civilians under their control and are killing them.

Following is the full text of the interview:

Journalist: Mr. President, thank you very much for having welcomed Swiss Television and our program Rundschau here in Damascus.

President Assad: You are most welcome in Syria.

Question 1: First, please, allow me to clarify one thing: may I ask you every question?

President Assad: Every question, without exception.

Question 2: I’m asking because one of your conditions is that interview is being broadcast in its full version. Are you afraid that we might manipulate your statements?

President Assad: You should answer that question, but I think we should build this relation upon the trust, and I think you are worried about the trust of your audience, so I don’t think so. I think you have good reputation in conveying the truth in every subject you try to cover.

Question 3: Do you see it as a lie, that the world considers you as to be a war criminal?

President Assad: That depends on what the reference in defining that word. Is it the international law, or is it the Western agenda or the Western political mood, let’s say, that’s being defined by vested-interests politicians in the West? According to the international law, as a President and as government and as Syrian Army, we are defending our country against the terrorists that have been invading Syria as proxies to other countries. So, if you want to go back to that word, the “war criminal,” I think the first one who should be tried under that title are the Western officials; starting with George Bush who invaded Iraq without any mandate from the Security Council. Second, Cameron and Sarkozy who invaded and destroyed Libya without mandate from the Security Council. Third, the Western officials who are supporting the terrorists during the last five years in Syria, either by providing them with political umbrella, or supporting them directly with armaments, or implementing embargo on the Syrian people that has led to the killing of thousands of Syrian civilians….

Unlike Assad I’d say Western sheeple are also guilty of war crimes. After all, if the German people were guilty of war crimes then what’s the diff between them then and the Western sheeple now?

None, right?

Thought so.

Here’s the full interview. Remember sheeple, this is Swiss and they are allowed to ask any question whatsoever, and Assad required that it be broadcast in full.

Too bad Killary, Obama, Cameron, May or any other Western leader doesn’t follow that standard, isn’t it. But that’s different, isn’t it.

http://sana.sy/en/?p=91031
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October 22, 2016 8:59pm
wiseowl

Andrew Mitchell , UK MP being interviewed on RT and pushing the anti Assad line and seemingly driving a wedge between Russia and US.
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