General Debate 21 October 2016

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stephieboy

Trump tells us if he wins he will, of course, accept the result but not so if he loses.

Yeah right !

He has form for this kind of narcissistic behaviour e.g when any of the primaries didn’t go his way they were rigged . The Emmy’s too when his show failed to scoop awards . Wonder where else ? Well about anything that doesn’t please him or runs in his favour .e.g maybe those divorces of his ?
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October 21, 2016 8:08am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Its been worrying Stephen Boyle all night – couldn’t sleep – have to get up early to make a denial of Trump on behalf of my dream girl, Killary.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:14am
  - sooty
    
    You like to grab a granny do you!
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:20am
  - stephieboy
    
    Don the Kiwi, I got the distinct impression that he was medicated . An impression of the rather more of subdued and not the blustering egomaniac of old .Maybe he senses he is in for the chop on 8/11 ?
    
    However, rest assured if he wins that’s fine but if not the election must be rigged and he won’t accept the result That was the telling point of the debate when I thought he must be surely on meds.
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:33am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Of course the Democrats have ALWAYS accepted the results- oh wait….
      
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      October 21, 2016 8:45am
  - Jack5
    
    Don the Kiwi: what makes you think “Stephieboy” is one person called Stephen Boyle?
    
    The grammatical and writing styles of the “Stephieboy” posts vary so much that it looks almost certain to me that they are written by more than one person.
    
    Sometimes the posts reflect the language of someone from the India-Pakistan-Bangladesh subcontinent, sometimes a woman’s hand can be detected, sometimes the language and style is that of a native-born English speaker.
    
    For example in a post later in this thread we have a Stephie post containing this phrase, “Try and stop your mealy mouth play on words.” That’s India/Pakistan English.
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:23am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Multiple personalities that are culturally diverse?
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:41am
    - marcw
      
      You’re never alone with schizophrenia. And always have a date with someone special.
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:59am
      - sooty
        
        The Stephies are like a call centre in Pakistan.
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:10am
- Milhous
  
  19 days to go……shouldn’t the Trumpistas be sick of winning bigly by now? Shouldn’t states like New York be in play ?
  
  It must be one hell of a conspiracy as he seems to be losing by 7 +points and playing defence in Arizona.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:21am
- Ross12
  
  Stephieboy he is not the first to say this, at this stage.
  
  He would be stupid ( as would Clinton) to not retain the right of a recount or legal challenge if for example a county had Clinton getting 100% + of the vote, which has occurred before.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:33am
  - SPC
    
    50M Americans are not registered to vote. Must be at least 1 in 4 adults.
    
    If some sign up late etc, then total turnout can go over 100% of the earlier roll (depending on level of voting and internal migration – they have term limits for welfare so people have to move if jobs are lost locally).
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:41am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Clinton has a challenge ahead to beat Obama’s 140% win in St Lucie County FL. But I think she will do it.
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:50am
- NK
  
  It’s terrifying to see a leading contender for leader of the largest democracy in the world to say he would lock his opponent in prison if he won, and refuse to accept the result if he loses.
  
  But I still expect deadrightkev to support him wholeheartedly.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:38am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Another liar. He said, ‘You should be in prison’. What’s the matter with you people. There’s plenty to critique Trump about without having to make shit up.
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , it is clear from this and other reports that if Trump was President Hillary Clinton ” would be in jail ”
      
      http://www.vox.com/2016/10/10/13223890/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-jail
      
      Please try and ensure your better informed next time ,
      
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      October 21, 2016 8:50am
      - All_on_Red
        
        No it’s clear from the actual video the context was that if her situation had been looked at properly then she would (should?) be in jail. So forget your reports, look at the recording. He gets a big laugh too which is funny.
        But thank you for providing the link which shows NK is wrong.
        
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        October 21, 2016 9:04am
      - calendar girl
        
        Irony of the week – stephie imploring a fellow commenter to be “better informed next time”.
        
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        October 21, 2016 3:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    The thing to watch is who they let out of prison at the end of their tenure. Media doesn’t tend to dwell too long on presidential pardons, strange that.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:11am
  - rangitoto
    
    If she is a criminal then she should be locked up. Only the MSN and their brainwashees construed this to mean bypassing the due process of law.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:56am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Not so if he loses’
  You are lying as usual as Trump didn’t say that.
  He said ‘I will look at it at the time’ ‘I will keep you in suspense’
  Personally I think he’s doing a bit of trolling but given the investigation of voter fraud in 26 Counties in Indiana,the expose by Project Veritas and how Podesta has talked about illegal immigrants using Drivers Licenses to register to Vote, he’s probably right to hold back.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Try and stop your mealy mouth play on words . Plainly he stated he would decline to commit to respect the result if it did not go his way,
    
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/final-debate-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-enter-last-face-off-before-election-day-1476918864
    
    Look maybe we can understand as things didn’t go Trump’s and his disciples’ way yesterday .The crucifixion has occurred quite yet .
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:58am
    - All_on_Red
      
      No he didn’t say that. I have quoted his exact words whereas you are lying. Which is what you do all the time. Biggest liar on here the way you misrepresent what people say.
      Try and be better informed next time eh Creepyboy
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:07am
    - Ross12
      
      Why don’t you remind yourself of what Al Gore did in 2000 and look up what Kerry still thinks about his lose.
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:23am
    - Ross12
      
      It looks like Trump has a few supporters on the rigged system issue
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9yZqsDUbKI
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:37am
  - straya
    
    “Not so if he loses’
    You are lying as usual as Trump didn’t say that.”
    
    I watched live on CNN as he said this today –
    
    “Ladies and gentleman, I want to make a major announcement today. I would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the United States that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election … If I win”.
    
    Here’s the video-
    
    http://digg.com/video/trump-if-i-win-election-results-video
    
    Life as a Trumpkin, a continual denial of the reality which the sane amongst us recognize.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:26am
    - calendar girl
      
      Firstly the video (as you point out) was shot today, in Florida, not during yesterday’s debate in Las Vegas.
      
      Secondly, Trump was obviously playing games with his audience; he had a big grin all over his face. But you need at least a mild sense of humour to be able to recognise the subtlety of that.
      
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      October 21, 2016 4:15pm
- alloytoo
  
  Can’t we have one day without mentioning the debacle that is the US presidential election.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:46am
  - Harlequin
    
    Agree totally. It’s all going to be over soon and some of the commenters above are going to have to find another hobby.
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:18am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Good morning, good morning, good morning to ALL the stephies!
  
  Someone forgot to crush their Xanax into their Weetie Bix this morning, did they?
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:18am
Hugh Pavletich

Australia Housing Boom Peak Has Passed, Morgan Stanley Says – Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-20/australia-housing-boom-peak-has-passed-morgan-stanley-says

• Nation faces housing oversupply of 100,000 dwellings by 2018

• Lendlease shares fall after builder flags apartment slowdown

Australia’s housing boom has passed its peak, with a looming apartment glut set to lead to a sharp slowdown in future developments, according to Morgan Stanley.

The slowdown in construction will hurt economic growth, put 200,000 jobs at risk and prompt the central bank to resume cutting interest rates next year, Morgan Stanley analysts led by Daniel Blake said in a note dated Oct. 19.

“We believe the growth contribution from the housing boom has already peaked and look for a plateau over 2017 and decline through 2018,” the analysts said. … read more via hyperlink above …

200,000 jobs at risk as housing boom rolls over, Morgan Stanley research shows – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-20/200k-jobs-at-risk-as-housing-boom-rolls-over:-morgan-stanley/7952478

Apartment glut could put a brake on the broader economy … The Australian

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/robert-gottliebsen/apartment-glut-could-put-a-brake-on-the-broader-economy/news-story/01f707ef2f32564b0538606fa3cdcf3c
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October 21, 2016 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the same will happen in Auckland, and it will be National’s fault again.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:23am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  WHY AND WHAT ARE THE MASSIVE DIFFERENCES IN LOT COSTS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES & AUSTRALIA ? …
  
  RESIDENTIAL LOT COSTS
  UNITED STATES v AUSTRALIA
  
  ??? $US45,000 v $A237,535 ???
  
  DO YOU KNOW WHY ? ?
  
  The great Australian land bubble bulges – MacroBusiness Australia
  … behind paywall …
  
  http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/10/great-australian-land-bubble-bulges/
  
  By Leith van Onselen
  The Housing Industry Association (HIA) has released its land sales report for the June quarter of 2016, which revealed yet another rise in vacant lot prices to a record high median of $237,535. However, there was a much-needed rebound in the number of land sales, although these were down over the year and fell heavily in Sydney and Melbourne.
  
  http://www.wsj.com/articles/low-supply-lifts-housing-lot-prices-to-a-record-1470442821
  
  The prices home builders pay for single-family lots hit a record high in the U.S. last year, a sign that a scarce supply of developed land is pushing up the cost of new homes.
  
  Median single-family lot prices were $45,000 last year, surpassing the previous peak of $43,000 at the height of the housing boom in 2006, according to an analysis of the most recent census data by the National Association of Home Builders. …
  
  … Prices have hit record highs even as the typical lot has been shrinking. Median lot sizes for single-family homes last year dropped to 8,589 square feet (HP comment … 797.5 square metres), the lowest since the Census started consistently tracking the data in the early 1990s. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  LOT VALUES AT RECORD HIGH ($US45,000) … NAHB
  
  http://eyeonhousing.org/2016/07/lot-values-at-record-high/
  
  … AND it sure helps when the raw land component of Lots cost as little as $2,000 each … as this Arizona case illustrates …
  
  Tartesso Community Planned For 40,000+ Homes In West Valley Sells For $80 Million … Business Real Estate Of Arizona Weekly
  
  https://brewaz.com/hot-news/tartesso-community-planned-for-40000-homes-in-west-valley-sells-for-80-million/
  
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  October 21, 2016 4:20pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … A genuinely confused Aussie on the thread of the MacroBusiness Australia article abobe ‘…Land Bubble’. Can you Kiwiblog posters help tim ? …
    
    Tim
    October 21, 2016 at 11:14 am
    
    It may be our labour market, HSE laws, raw material costs, higher building standards, upfront council headworks charges or a combination of these, but as a developer and civil contractor I cant physically produce a lot for less than $60k in costs PLUS the raw land cost. Add in some risk/margin, and the figures coming out of the USA are completely unrealistic to me. Can anyone explain the difference in the two markets (USA vs Oz)? I believe the data, but I am genuinely confused.
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    October 21, 2016 4:28pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … and they debt finance infrastructure properly …
      
      WHAT’S NOT BEING SAID ABOUT MUDs … HOUSTON CHRONICLE
      
      http://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Spillette-What-s-not-being-said-about-MUDs-9193711.php?t=26dd2deaf0
      
      Municipal Utility Districts (MUDs) are a type of special district used in the Houston area, and elsewhere in Texas, to provide infrastructure while facilitating the smooth functioning of the housing market in response to market demand.
      
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      October 21, 2016 4:56pm
Inandout

Praise be. Stephie has an opening comment; but alas, nothing new.
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October 21, 2016 8:12am
Hugh Pavletich

JOHN KEYS VICTORY SPEECH … 2008 … HE WAS JUST JOKING !

Watch & weep … just 4 minutes …

JOHN KEY’S VICTORY SPEECH … 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WkS_UkbK8

You voted for hope …
You voted for action …
You voted for results …
… John Key

Mr Key was just joking.

Key: Speech to New Zealand Contractors Federation … 2007 | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0708/S00336.htm

… concluding …

… Over the past few years a consensus has developed in New Zealand. We are facing a severe home affordability and ownership crisis. The crisis has reached dangerous levels in recent years and looks set to get worse.

This is an issue that should concern all New Zealanders. It threatens a fundamental part of our culture, it threatens our communities and, ultimately, it threatens our economy.

The good news is that we can turn the situation around. We can deal with the fundamental issues driving the home affordability crisis. Not just with rinky-dink schemes, but with sound long-term solutions to an issue that has long-term implications for New Zealand’s economy and society.

National has a plan for doing this and we will be resolute in our commitment to the goal of ensuring more young Kiwis can aspire to buy their own home.

It’s a worthy goal and one I hope you will support us in achieving. Thank-you.

Mr Key was just joking.

Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo

Affordable housing campaigner Hugh Pavletich has predicted house prices will be so high on the eve of the next election they will be “Key’s Waterloo”.

By the next election, Pavletich said the median house price 9for Auckland) would be more than 12 times the median household income.

The current figure was just over ten, and when Housing Minister Nick Smith was appointed the median multiple in Auckland was 6.7. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 21, 2016 8:14am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Tl-dr.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:15am
- Happychappy
  
  Hugh needs some limelight to feed his ego
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hugh, the record is still stuck. Get a new one. Your previous post was much better, it forecast what’s actually going to happen.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:25am
- wiseowl
  
  Yes it can be turned around with a sensible immigration policy.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:39am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  It appears someone has posted it at The Standard …
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cuts-or-housing/#comment-1248440
  
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  October 21, 2016 10:45am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Mr Key was a product of ‘Mother Merrill’ Lynch, which the Bank of America picked up the wreckage of post the 07 GFC.
    
    Vanity Fair wrote about the culture of ML back in 2010 … THE BLUNDERING HERD …
    
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/11/financial-crisis-excerpt-201011
    
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    October 21, 2016 5:58pm
Happychappy

The Media are trying to come up with a plan on how they can now contribute to a all out smear on Tosse’ character to make up for what they believe is wrong decision in his murder trial.I think he might be a dirt bag but he did not really get the run of the ball with the trial by Media before he was acquitted.
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October 21, 2016 8:17am
- SPC
  
  The evidence heard in the trial and his priors spoke to character. A guy banned from nightclubs who supplies dates with home made vodka.
  
  In a case in 1986, a woman fled violence to their death and the man was convicted of murder. In this case, the threats were more verbal till the use of force to take her hostage on the balcony.
  
  “You are lucky I haven’t chucked you off my balcony you goddamn psycho little bitch” and also threatening to lock her on the balcony and “f***ing destroy [her] jaw.”
  
  “Just let me go home, just let me go home,” Ms Wright said in the recording. “I would but you’ve been a bad girl,” Tostee replied.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:35am
- Dave Mann
  
  Sorry but I find your comment about an ‘all out smear’ on this scum’s character laughable…. but thanks for the link.
  
  I urge readers who are interested to follow the link and read what sort of out-of-control asshole this man is. I don’t think the MSM are trying to smear his character… they are just reporting facts which, had the jury been aware of them, their decision would probably have been swiftly ‘guilty’ (of manslaughter at least, if not murder).
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:47am
- Keeping Stock
  
  No one has to smear or destroy Tostee’s character Happychappy. He’s been pretty successful in doing that himself by his predatory behaviour towards young women.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:01am
  - Happychappy
    
    Sorry i just hit the report button.
    I agree with what you have said what i meant the media don’t like the acquittal after expressing their views in the trial by media
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:30am
    - howitis
      
      Praise the lord sweet Jesus that scum bag journalists don’t have final say…. on anything.
      No matter what we say, no matter what we do….. (Katie BadFood)
      
      Media bias esp over the 2016 US election is appalling.
      I can understand countries that shut out media (eg Fiji).
      They really are like toxic flies that have been all over sh*t and it is still stuck to them.
      
      Modern media post 2005 do NOT add value.
      Modern media post 2005 are not neutral contributors (60 minutes kidnappers & still trying to justify their crime; Heather of Africa – illegally buying guns.)
      Modern media post 2005 DO detract value.
      If 50% of species have disappeared in the last 40 years why can’t journos join them.
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:55am
Captain Mainwaring

Did JK actually say that Hekia is getting out due to her husband’s health or did the media make it up?
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October 21, 2016 8:26am
- waikatogirl
  
  JK said Hekia’s husband was in his 70’s and had a couple of health issues. Didn’t say that was why Hekia was resigning but he probably shouldn’t have mentioned personal information about her family.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:56am
LisaGinNZ

To anyone: where do you get your “reliable” USA news from?!

Canadian and USA lovin’ Mark Steyn is back with “Laws are for the little people”… a tid bit:

“All bollocks. Bollocks on stilts. Like everything else the Clintons touch, Comey’s FBI is hopelessly corrupted – and certainly more corrupt than J Edgar Hoover’s FBI, at least in the sense that Hoover was independent enough not to get rolled. The revelations of what happened reveal Comey to be a hack and a squish: he offered immunity to Hillary’s aides not to facilitate his investigation but to obstruct any further investigation; he allowed witnesses to Hillary’s crimes to serve as her “lawyers”; and he physically destroyed the evidence – that is, the laptops. A 6′ 8″ gummi worm would be more of a straight arrow.

Now come the latest revelations. Powerline’s John Hinderaker writes:

In the first page, an unidentified FBI employee says he was “pressured” to change the classification of an email to render it unclassified. This pressure came from someone within the FBI, who said he had been contacted by Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy, who “had asked his assistance in altering the email’s classification in exchange for a ‘quid pro quo.'” The quid pro quo was that, if the FBI would say the email was unclassified, the State Department would allow the FBI to “place more Agents in countries where they are presently forbidden.”

So, to add to the corrupt revenue agency and the corrupt justice department, we now have a corrupt national law enforcement agency and a corrupt foreign ministry – willing, indeed, to subordinate national security and its own diplomatic policy to the personal needs of Hillary Clinton. Needless to say, if you get your news from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, etc, etc, you will be entirely unaware of all this. Which is the way they plan on operating for the next eight years.

A small but telling point: Wikileaks’ Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees. ”

BOOOOOOM
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October 21, 2016 8:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Nice one there LisaGinNZ. Slam dunk evidence of the purely anecdotal variety and of course most importantly the sources for Mark Steyn’s claims for a corrupt Hillary Clinton and a corrupt this and that she ever touches .
  
  Trump for the little people ?
  
  With these Billionaire associates ?
  
  http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/trump-billionaire-backers-list/
  
  Yeah right !
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The same criticism about rich friends could be pointed at Hillary( the Puppet of Wall Street) so nice own goal there Creepy-boy
    But hang on, don’t you call Trump supporters ‘red necks’? Surely they are the ultimate ‘little people’
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , it is one of the sad features of Trump’s campaign that he has not done a lot more advocacy on behalf of these ” little people ”
      
      At the very least he should have been at the debates presenting policies aimed at helping poor whites and others instead of going all the time for the political jugular and attacking Hillary Clinton.
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:34am
      - All_on_Red
        
        More lies and bullshit from you. You have no idea.
        His whole campaign has been about bringing jobs back. MAGA The fact you don’t see that shows you are either a completely ignorant fool or the worst liar on earth.
        Which is it?
        
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        October 21, 2016 9:43am
  - LisaGinNZ
    
    Sorry Stephie, you have lost any relevance a long time ago. Enjoy all your down arrows mate.
    
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    October 21, 2016 8:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      LisaGinNZ , arrow downs from a bunch of sulky whiny Trump losers like you ! .
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:26am
      - sooty
        
        One of the stephies is crying.
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:15am
- SPC
  
  This the same country in which George W Bush gave an instruction to the FBI to spy on Americans illegally. He immediately did so. When Congress found out, they changed the law to make the spying legal.
  
  Which means that all future Presidents can do illegal spying on Americans with the expectation that it would be made retrospectively legal once/should the public find out about it.
  
  The practice of those in government to protect each others corruption is endemic.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:51am
- SPC
  
  That said the Ecuador government decision here is simply based on the principle that nations should not be seen to interfere in each others elections.
  
  They gave political asylum to a whistle-blower not to facilitate his political partisanship.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    SPC, excellent point !
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:27am
  - Ross12
    
    “on the principle that nations should not be seen to interfere in each others elections.”
    
    But it was OK when Obama went to the UK and told the UK voters they would be at the back of the line if the voted for Brexit ?
    It is OK for the Mayor of London to go on a tour of the USA supporting Clinton ?
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:25am
  - Happychappy
    
    So if that is the case as someone said yesterday why did they allow Jullian through Dot Com to try and change the NZ Government with his data in 2014
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:48am
VicParking

Where are all our registered teachers and the teachers unions when it came to all these seclusion rooms. If the freezing works locked bad employees up for half and hour the unions would be marching on parliment. Te Riu Roa – the New Zealand Educational Institute has been very quiet over this issue. Its been their members who turned the key.
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October 21, 2016 8:34am
- trout
  
  ‘Time out’ spaces or ‘seclusion rooms’ as you call them were recommended by psychologists in the seventies as an appropriate way to take children out of situation where they were not coping and allow them to settle down and ‘reset to normal behaviour’. My autistic granddaughter tells me she welcomes this option when she loses it (left to herself she would shut herself in a cupboard).
  Many parents practice this behavioural correction very successfully. The present furore is manufactured outrage born out of ignorance and misinformation. I sympathise with the teachers who are being scapegoated.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:07am
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    I would suggest next time a school has a dangerous situation which they have to deal with with minimal resources that they immediately call both 111 and ex Judge Becroft – who apparently has the ability by making great pronouncements from ivory towers to promptly solve all our childrens’ behavioral problems. Perhaps he could make a flying visit to impart his practical solution.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:12am
dime

glad to see tostee escape conviction.

its sad the girl died and he may be a prick. but hes not a murdering prick.

i suspect another dozen hit pieces from stuff and the herald before they move on.
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October 21, 2016 8:35am
- Notsofast
  
  A victory for Saul Holt QC. A sorry specimen who was the filing clerk in the first of the Lundy hoaxes.
  
  “””He’s most remembered for his work as file manager for the prosecution of Mark Lundy at his first trial in 2002.””
  
  writes Palmerston North notable Jimmy Ellingham.
  
  “””Speaking in 2006, Holt recalled immersing himself in the case for months and remembered the extraordinary scenes outside the Palmerston North courthouse when Lundy was, for the fist time, found guilty of killing his wife Christine and daughter Amber.
  
  After the verdicts, Ross Grantham, the police officer in charge of the case, was cheered and clapped for securing what Holt in 2006 said was “unquestionably” the right result.
  
  “All I can say about the Lundy trial is that I think it was the most thorough and professional investigations I’ve ever seen run,” said Grantham.””
  
  Good luck with that Grantham. Your day of reckoning is close at hand.
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:41am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Lundy lovers unite.
    Both of you.
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:33am
- Dave Mann
  
  These reports on Tostee are not ‘hit pieces’. They are facts which the legal system in its wisdom deemed prejudicial to the man’s defence and might (would) have influenced a fair trial. They were suppressed during the trial, but now that the trial is over the suppression has been lifted.
  
  I haven’t followed it closely and I don’t have an axe to grind. Just putting the record straight. Some might say that in this respect the law is an ass… but I couldn’t possibly comment. ?
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:05am
  - dime
    
    they should have been left out of the trial. hes an unlikable shit head.
    
    it would have influenced the jury in some way.
    
    he didnt murder her.
    
    it would have been an even scarier precident than the one they already have
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:56am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      I agree Dime, he’s the kind of guy you’d want to beat the shit out of if you meet him at the pub, and if tried dating a girl in family there would be hell to pay, however that doesn’t make him a murderer.
      
      Sadly when two fuck ups get together and you add alcohol and emotion… and shagging… the result will only be ugly, in this case very very ugly.
      
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      October 21, 2016 11:03am
wiseowl

Chuckbird.
With your interest in things judicial ,have a look at the latest post on menz.org.nz
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October 21, 2016 8:42am
stephieboy

Notsofast ,

“Good luck with that Grantham. Your day of reckoning is close at hand.”

A threat in the making from the deluded Lundy and his deluded supporters ?
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October 21, 2016 8:44am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so Stephieboy. Notsofast seems to have an unhealthy obsession with the Lundy case.
  
  From what I know of the case from many people who knew Lundy and even considered him a friend, the right person was convicted at both trials.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:04am
  - Notsofast
    
    Mike Cummings, editor of the paper, Grantham and Kelly worked in concert to reveal the “hidden” Lundy.
    When Mike Cummings was challenged with the case facts beside Jimmy Ellingham, he said I gotta sell newspapers in this town.
    Ask him and Jimmy. Note Ellingham does not proffer a belief in guilt.
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:59am
EAD

A blogger from Newcastle brings to our attention a shocking crime that the people who run the MSM scantily reported and even then only in the most vaguest of terms:

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/10/will-anyone-remember-jodie-wilkinson.html

On Monday a murder took place here in the North East of England which has left many of the locals, myself included, somewhat baffled. Newcastle and the North East are ‘rough’ and relatively poor but murder is exceptionally rare, and the manner of Jodie Wilkinson’s murder must qualify as unique, according to the BBC: –

”Jodie Wilkinson, 27, died in hospital after being attacked by a group of up to 11 men in the city’s Stanhope Street on Monday afternoon, police said.
A 25-year-old man who was with her at the time was also injured and needed hospital treatment.
Police said those arrested, a man aged 43, two aged 25, and three others aged 22, 20 and 18, were being questioned.”

So Jodie Wilkinson was walking through a busy street in broad daylight with a male friend when she was attacked by 11(!) men who stabbed her to death. And this is all the information the police and local media have thus far released. At least 6 men are still on the loose, but no descriptions have been given to the public…….

From the perspective of ‘normies’ in the North East this whole case is bizarre, nobody here has ever known of 11 men attacking and stabbing to death a woman in the middle of the day, a domestic fight can get out of hand, a couple of rival gangs can fight and somebody might get stabbed, but this is something else….something alien. And ‘why’ people are asking, why is the identity of the perpetrators not being released during a manhunt?……

Arthurs Hill (in Newcastle) is a cross between Mogadishu and Kurdistan. No help will come, there are no community leaders or outreach officers for you, that would be hate and racism. So alone they stew, eyes down on the way to the shops, ignore the taunts of Muslim men, pretend not notice the way the Africans are looking at your behind if you’re a woman, or stare you out if you’re a man. Make it back safely with a fiver on the electric top up and a tenner on the gas, luxury, you’ll have heating on tonight, switch on the telly and some posh shithead waxes about ‘inclusion’ and ‘tolerance’ Ha! wankers……..

An Englishwoman is knifed to death in broad daylight and the news cycle is already moving on, the Twitter feed is a wasteland, the Google searches pitifully few.

I’ll remember Jodie Wilkinson, I’ll remember that an Englishwoman slept on the streets as the government housed and fed hundreds of thousands of aliens and I’ll remember the societal indifference and neglect, confusion, embarrassment and loathing which both created her and, in the end, destroyed her.

That is an abridged version but it highlights several points:
1) This should be front page news, but instead it is vaguely reported in a non-descript way, then shoved straight down the memory hole. Compare and contrast when the MSM whipped up a furore over some football fans not letting some guy on a train in Paris a few years back. Like the coverup of the Cologne and British mass rape of school girls scandal that only got into the public domain as result of the good work of so called far-right/extremist websites, just what is being hidden from us by the MSM?

2) Notice how now in NZ, whenever Police are looking for someone, they pretty much never give us a description when this used to be the first thing done? For those that still read the court pages, it is absolutely staggering the % of crimes committed by vibrants. I can only assume that if they were to report the truth and people could maintain an attention span, they would realise just what this so called “enrichment” is doing to our once formerly safe country.

3) How MSM conditioning over the years has made us indifferent to the most shocking of crimes, yet (well for certain sectors of society at least), has left us hyper-sensitive to things where no-body would bat an eye-lid only a generation ago. Now it seems the worst crime anyone can commit is be a so called racist. And according to Devoys ~~Stasi~~ witch hunt gang, if someone “feels” ignored then your case will be made public and you will be shamed by the thought police.

Welcome to 1984.
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October 21, 2016 8:50am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Were they the protected fuzzy wuzzie muzzies? Can’t have any negative comments on them doncha know…. because they’re “oppressed” or something
  
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  October 21, 2016 8:59am
- EAD
  
  Good news – the blog article is a day old but their identities have been revealed.
  
  We now know
  – 6 Youths have been arrested
  – all were “Newcastle Men”
  
  We can probably rule out Alan Shearer who is probably to old to be classified as a “youth” but it could literally be any young Newcastle males that has done this.
  
  Just like the “Norwegian” Man who stabbed to death an American in London or the Frenchman who stabbed a British person in the hostel in Queensland.
  
  Motto of these stories – be wary of Geordies, Norwegians and Frenchmen.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:12am
- SPC
  
  Sure Europe is awash with PC to the level of 1984 correct speak on diversity crime.
  
  The FBI BSU did a global study back in 1988 looking for a connection between pornography and crime, instead they found Scandinavia and Japan had high levels of pornography and lower levels of crime.
  
  Apparently mono-cultural nations with limited inequality had the lowest crime. Crime was highest where ethnic minorities were economically/educationally disadvantaged.
  
  As migrants/refugees (excluding skilled migrants of course) are for a generation or two at least economically disadvantaged etc etc.
  
  The problem of allowing minorities to take over local schools to preserve identity, failing them educationally means etc etc.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:12am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, the MSMS BBC has given her murder some extensive coverage,
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-37702013 .
  
  When police investigate a crime such as this the crime scene and subsequent investigation attempt to find out her the perpetrators were not their religion or race as you and Morgoth’s review might wish .
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:17am
Paulus

Understand from NY media that Michelle Obama is being approached – again, to consider throwing in to the Democrats should Hillary not last past one term.

She has denied it again.
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October 21, 2016 8:53am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  heck, just have Beyonce For Potus, she has as much experience… or how about Kim Kardashian or Miley Cyrus because they are such good “role models” as per the idiotic MEEEEEECHY
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:01am
- Inandout
  
  Well she has appeared on Oprah, is black and a woman married with two girls. Throw in a glib talking husband and hey, she is eminently qualified. Imagine the gushing from the compliant media if she turns out to be in the LGBT camp. OMG, OMG.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:05am
Inandout

Al Gore made fairly similar comments about not accepting the results at the 2000 election when Bush won. The Clinton media are saying ‘it was not the same’ as Trump’s statement; it really can’t be, Gore was a Democrat. Al Gore went onto further things, like the wildly successful Climate Change Inc.
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October 21, 2016 8:56am
- stephieboy
  
  inandout , untrue ! On Dec 13th, 2000 Al Gore graciously conceded defeat .
  
  Previously there was a legitimate dispute over Florida’s 25 electoral votes that would decide the outcome of a very tight Presidential race The courts finally ruled in GWB’s favour ,
  
  http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/this-day-in-politics-084997
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:10am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Dec 13 huh. The Election was on 7 Nov.
    Gore conceded on 8 Nov, then retracted the concession. He then disputed the results because VOTER IRREGULARITIES are alleged and then fought all the way to the Supreme Court. He lost and only then did he concede.
    This is the timeline.
    http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ARTICLES/pe2000timeline.php
    
    It’s the same as Trump being concerned about voter irregularities occurring this time.
    Inandout is correct.
    
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    October 21, 2016 9:26am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep.
      
      And in contrast to Gore, and even though there was voting irregularity on a large scale in Illinois and Texas, Richard Nixon conceded in one of the tightest races of all time on election night 1960…precisely to spare the country what the Democrats inflicted on it in 2000 – a protracted highly-politicised recount that helped rob the person sworn in on January 20 of the necessary credibility to govern effectively, and thus weakening America domestically and on the world-stage.
      
      So to summarise – Richard Nixon had more class, respect for the constitution and good of the USA than Al Gore 😉
      
      Oh, yeah, and then the nasty-little bastard/paragon of the Democrat’s love for their fellow-man and respecter of the constitution, Attorney-General Bobby Kennedy used IRS audits against Nixon and his family to try and prevent him making a political comeback. And people try and say the Clintons are crooks?! They got nothing on the Kennedys! 😉
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:46am
      - tom hunter
        
        Not to mention Hillary herself in 2000 and 2001, yammering the line that Bush “had been selected, not elected”, which must have seemed oh-so-clever at the time.
        
        And I well recall all the Democrat supporters I knew from Chicago, taking up that line for months. The election had been stolen, US democracy was under threat, the Supreme Court was fixed, the facists are taking over, wah, wah, wah.
        
        Apparently none of that damaged US democracy. I never heard any US left-winger worry that it might. No, it was all righteous and good, as all left-wing causes are.
        
        And now here we are. If the Left didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all.
        
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        October 21, 2016 9:55am
      - SPC
        
        Unable to govern effectively coz of Gore’s request for a recount – if only!
        
        No huuuuge unaffordable tax cuts. No occupation of Iraq ….
        
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        October 21, 2016 9:59am
      - tom hunter
        
        No huuuuge unaffordable tax cuts. No occupation of Iraq ….
        
        See what I mean!
        
        The Democrats claiming the 2000 election was stolen and fighting against the results, even including smearing the Supreme Court in front of the whole world – it was all worth it, because Iraq. Because they were right in the end.
        
        The self-righteousness never ends.
        
        BTW, here’s all the Democrat leaders who supported the Iraq war and spent years claiming that Saddam had to be forced from power. All the big guns there: Hillary, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi..
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:08am
      - Kimbo
        
        BTW, here’s all the Democrat leaders who supported the Iraq war and spent years claiming that Saddam had to be forced from power. All the big guns there: Hillary, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi…
        
        Nothing new. Only two senators voted against the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution when LBJ was in the White House, but from 1969 onward it was all Richard Nixon’s fault the USA was in a quagmire in Indo-China – even though he successfully re-Vietnamised the war!
        
        But the 1975 (Democrat-dominated) US Congress fixed that problem by denying the South Vietnamese government military hardware and supplies, when the North Vietnamese tested whether the Americans would back up their 1973 Paris Peace accord commitments 😉
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:12am
      - Kimbo
        
        Like the supposedly anti-Semitic Richard Nixon told Golda Meir:
        
        “You must no rely on Democrats like Teddy Kennedy, even though they say they support Israel. Just like they are doing now in Vietnam, when the test comes, they will cut-and-run. Instead, it is RN (yes he spoke in the third person! 😉 ) , even though Jews in America vote against him 6-1 who is made of tempered steel and is the true friend of Israel in a crisis”.
        
        And as someone else has posted on KB, when Israel needed those supplies in the Yom Kippur war, and Nixon was asked how many American military planes would be made available to make up for the lack of Israeli transport, his reply was, “send everything that can fly.”
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red here’s what actually happened in 2000 Presidential race
      
      1. On election night, several television networks called Florida for George W. Bush, clinching the electoral college — although Gore would end up winning about 500,000 more votes. Gore called Bush to concede.
      
      2. Then the networks uncalled Florida — and Gore unconceded, realizing that he was ahead in the popular vote and if he ended up winning Florida he would have won the election. The election was literally too close to call.
      
      3. A legally mandated recount began.
      
      4. Bush (not Gore) sued to stop recounts in some counties.
      
      5. Gore sued to extend deadlines for recounts.
      
      6. The Florida Supreme Court ordered a more extensive recount. Bush (not Gore) appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
      
      7. The U.S. Supreme Court stopped the recount.
      
      8. Gore conceded.
      
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-al-gore-recount-fact-check_us_580842a7e4b0dd54ce37f853
      
      Trump is not talking about the same thing .He would not accept the result because he believes any result against him would be rigged close or not
      
      Naturally he would accept the result if he won therefore not rigged .
      
      Such is the nature of his convullted and distorted thinking.
      
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      October 21, 2016 9:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol, you are back tracking big time now. The recount was because of voter irregularities. Look at the official time line I have linked to- which you are now starting to agree with, and therefor proving your original post disingenuous to say the least!!!!!
        The current investigation in Indiana has shown voter irregularities. It’s the same.
        
        ‘He (Trump)would not accept the result because he believes any result against him would be rigged close or not’
        Again you LIE. Trump has never said that.
        
        Edit- there’s plenty of stuff he actually has said to have a go at him about. Why do you keep lying- you’re not very good at it either.
        
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        October 21, 2016 9:53am
    - SPC
      
      Sure a recount challenge, even to the highest court – but no suggestion of the mob with the pitchfork.
      
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      October 21, 2016 10:05am
Simon

Based on this Brexit tracker remain will win bigly.

Remain will win because Trump Hitler.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-watch/
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October 21, 2016 8:59am
rouppe

I see Justin Lester is not wasting any time pandering to the luvees.

A “Living Wage” portfolio. Nice way to spend other people’s money.

An “iwi partnership” portfolio. Unelected Maori seats making council decisions, anyone?

“Arts and Culture”. Making sure Lester can directly give ratepayers money away to the deserving.

A “city science” portfolio – and Gilberd is over the moon about what “social sciences” can bring to the city. And we know “social science” is just a moniker for valuless money wasting.

And there will be an inauguration ceremony at the MFC. Why can’t they do it in the council offices, like civil unions? Other people’s money, that’s why…

Anyting on dealing with core city infrastructure matters? Not a one…
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October 21, 2016 9:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Lester is a fool and Wellington will ultimately pay the price.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:37am
  - sooty
    
    But only for one term!
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:19am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Lets hope so.
      
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      October 21, 2016 11:33am
LisaGinNZ

Is Hillary so ill she has to CHEAT at debates?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/malik-obama-thinks-hillary-may-cheated-debate/
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October 21, 2016 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  That is why she appears robotic, she may be listening to feed from her earpiece, and then comparing with her electronic notes on her podium. I marvel at what can now be used with electronics.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:21am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Cheating is the least of her crimes.
  B8.
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, yet another sore Trumpkins loser from last night ?
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:05am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Annnnnd HOOKED!
      YES! I got one! I hope it doesnt put up too much of a fight, it’s my first fish in a while!
      
      Reeling it in, reeling it in, reeling it in….OHHHH I almost lost it, reeling it in, reeling it in, reeling it in..It’s at the boat now, pulling it on board……
      
      Fuck its a spotty. 🙁
      
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      October 21, 2016 10:31am
stephieboy

LisaGinNZ , I see so Malik Obama thinks Hillary “may ” of cheated the debate ?

Any of other ” Conclusive slam dunk “evidence ?

Sheesh !
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October 21, 2016 9:22am
Manolo

Italy rejoices in multiculturalism:
http://www.riscattonazionale.it/2016/10/17/bengalese-prende-pugni-un-poliziotto-rifiuta-lavvocato-perche-donna-giudice-lo-mette/

Bengali Muslim criminal attacks a policeman and refuses help from appointed lawyer because is a woman.
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October 21, 2016 9:28am
Manolo

Clinton minion and CNN hack Brazile attempts a feeble defense:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/19/megyn_kelly_vs_donna_brazile_did_you_receive_debate_question_beforehand_brazile_i_will_not_be_persecuted.html
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October 21, 2016 9:33am
Scott

Trump had a good debate and needs to stick to the issues. On issues like immigration, jobs, growing the economy and national defence he is winning big-league.

Regarding accepting the election well Al Gore didn’t accept the election, in fact he went on and on with recount after recount in counties where he tried to find some extra votes in Florida that would put him over the line.

It was only when the courts came down against him that he finally after many days “accepted” the election.
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October 21, 2016 9:34am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , but the problem is he did not and as he should of such as his and supporters mad obsession with dissing i to Hillary Clinton.
  
  As for Al Gore and 2ooo refer to my post at 9.48am.
  
  Al Gore was not disputing a rigged result but a recount of crucial Florida popular votes that could have swung it his way .
  
  He conceded defeat on 13th Dec 2000. I can’t ever imagine Trump doing that as he would say any similar close result would be rigged ! .
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Your post at 9:10 has been thoroughly discredited. Your post at 9:48 is also half the truth.
    ‘he would say any similar close result would be rigged ! ‘
    But he hasn’t said that. I’m losing count of all the lies you have made today.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      All On Red keep on counting and recounting your fantasy ” lies ”
      
      “I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election — if I win,” Mr. Trump said to cheers at a rally in Delaware, Ohio.
      
      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/campaign-election-trump-clinton.html
      
      And if not , what ?
      
      Graciously concede huh ?
      
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      October 21, 2016 10:08am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahaha, live in denial oh Creepy one. You’ve really had your arse handed to you today.
        Soooo funny.
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:15am
Scott

LA Times poll has the race all tied up. Poll also shows men breaking for Trump by 10 points and women going for Clinton by 10 points.

If Hillary does win then we have the women to blame. If Trump wins then go the men!
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October 21, 2016 9:39am
- dime
  
  more women voters unfortunately.
  
  single women vote left – free stuff. the govt will marry me if i have kids blah blah
  
  married women tend to vote right.
  
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  October 21, 2016 10:17am
  - wiseowl
    
    Just shows.
    Women should never have been given the vote.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:33am
Manolo

Our dime is thinking it over: 🙂
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/301780-madonna-pledges-oral-sex-for-clinton-voters
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October 21, 2016 9:52am
- dime
  
  single Dime would have taken head off that disgusting pig. just saying 🙂
  
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  October 21, 2016 9:57am
  - Kimbo
    
    Likely true, but as you’ve shared with us from time to time, single/in-the-green-wood dime was not the discerning and choosy gent he is now in his…maturer days 😉
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:08am
    - dime
      
      true that!
      
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      October 21, 2016 10:17am
- Rich Prick
  
  But is the offer limited to just the female vote?
  
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  October 21, 2016 10:25am
- tom hunter
  
  I dropped this in last night and it’s worth repeating…
  
  Yeah. If you vote for someone who routinely violated diplomatic protocol, spilled classified information, lied about it, and whom diplomatic security agents apparently avoided like a flaming case of the herp, to run this country, you will get a blow job from a 58-year-old, dried up hooker.
  
  Oh, and she’ll swallow! There’s incentive for you!
  
  Anyone else want to vomit in their own mouths?
  
  Seriously, do you want to look down and see THAT with your trouser snake in its mouth? She’s past cougar and into perhaps vulture. She’ll swallow, alright. And later she’ll vomit your giblets back up to feed her offspring in their nest!
  
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  October 21, 2016 10:28am
  - Kimbo
    
    Hmm. I’m just wondering if dime will repeat his (ill-judged IMHO) critique from yesterday that your cut-and-pastes are too long, frequent and the content is dull.
    
    In this case, I’m thinking not 😉
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:36am
    - dime
      
      heh nah.
      
      i like tom. i just hate reading 7 paragraphs in block form in blog comments.
      
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      October 21, 2016 10:39am
      - Kimbo
        
        Don’t know why my fourth form English teacher used to complain about our class’ short attention span when it came to reading and remembering literature. We could all quote the latest Penthouse Forum verbatim! 😉
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:42am
      - tom hunter
        
        It was a fair point. But we all have rants now and again.
        
        On the other hand I don’t do anything just for a dime.
        
        ….
        ….
        ….
        
        Boom-tish!!!
        
        I’ll be here all week.
        
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        October 21, 2016 10:59am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        One of the dangers of these forums is that they slowly erode our attention spans and ability to concentrate on one thing for a span – too easy to skim and go on to the next shiny thing.
        
        Ignoring longer posts might be instantly satisfying, but perhaps long term mentally damaging, unless you do other things that require long periods of concentration.
        
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        October 21, 2016 6:18pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

So who’s winning today in game five, Cubs vs Dodgers (tied at 2-2), Lester (19-5) vs Maeda (16-11)?

http://m.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-dodgers/2016/10/20/487628?partnerId=LR_preview#game_tab=preview,game=487628,game_state=preview

Cubs don’t want to be in a must-win against Kershaw in game 6 – although they will be back at Wrigley for that.
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October 21, 2016 10:05am
- tom hunter
  
  Cubs will win today. Lester knows he has to be sharper than his first time up, and they should all have a better read on the Dodger batters now.
  
  On the other side I expected Maeda to get hit the first time up, and now he’s facing a batting line up that’s broken out of their slump. I think he’ll yield up runs again.
  
  BUT – the Dodgers know how to cover their weaknesses. I’ve been really impressed by what their manager has done with a patched together pitching staff.
  
  And it’s baseball. As the saying goes: one swing of the bat…
  
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  October 21, 2016 10:22am
  - Kimbo
    
    …and the Cubs win 8-4, and are now just one win away from their first World Series appearance since 1945. Their offense is starting to fire when it matters – but 3-time Cy Young Award and 2011 triple crown-winner Clayton Kershaw awaits tomorrow
    
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    October 21, 2016 5:52pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …sorry, game 6 is Sunday (our time) back in Chicago.
      
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      October 21, 2016 5:59pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Well the big joke was that thanks to a daughter home sick from school who needed shopping done to prep for a Duke of Ed trip, and an old friend who dropped in for a couple of hours….
      
      I only saw the top of the 1st (yay) and the 8th inning onward (also yay) – but missed everything in between. Am watching the replay now and all I can say is that the score was not reflective of the game. Another tense, tough fight from innings 2-8, until the Cubs smashed it open again. That 3-1 lead looked none to comfortable to me, even with Lester pitching much better.
      
      And they got to frigging Chapman and his 100mph fastballs again. Admittedly he keeps getting dragged into crap situations with runners on base and no outs. Tough for anybody.
      
      But yeah – Kershaw – I’m damned if I can see the Cubs beating him. Still, the swings go both ways. He did get hit in game 2, but the balls fell into gloves in both the infield and outfield. Baez was within 5 feet of a homer off Kershaw in the 7th. Same with Maeda today. I thought he pitched pretty well, but he was pulled in the 4th with with just one run on the board.
      
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      October 21, 2016 8:06pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Basically we’re looking at a game 7 for the ages in Wrigley field.
      
      The accountants will be loving it. God knows what bleacher seats will be cashing for: $1000 and off to watch it on TV in Murphy’s!
      
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      October 21, 2016 8:12pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        When I booked my trip to Chicago six months ago I thought the baseball season would have been done and dusted by the time I got there. Instead, there’s a better than even chance we’ll be heading into World Series mania; that will be fantastic.
        
        I’m certainly hoping to get to have a look at Wrigley Field, but I’m guessing tickets to a World Series match will be way beyond our budget.
        
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        October 22, 2016 6:46am
Rich Prick

These General Debates should be re-titled Stephie’s Wailing Wall.
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October 21, 2016 10:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Rich Prick , rich irony factor there , eh ?
  
  Should be Trumpkins sulking wall !
  
  stifle, sniffle out with the theatrical tears !
  
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  October 21, 2016 10:49am
Captain Mainwaring

Great effort by the Black Caps bowlers and the captain both for his batting and captaincy.
So Guptill will be staying in the team for his efforts as a one-over bowler?
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October 21, 2016 11:17am
tom hunter

Interesting deployment of the Russian navy:

Russia has begun its biggest surface deployment since the end of the Cold War as it aims to effectively end the war in Syria on the eve of the US election, Nato officials warned last night.

The Kremlin is sending the full might of its Northern Fleet and part of the Baltic Fleet to reinforce a final assault on the city of Aleppo in a fortnight, according to Western intelligence.

The final bombardment is designed to shore up the Assad regime by wiping out rebels – paving the way for a Russian exit from the civil war.

Their Northern Fleet is already being “escorted” past Britain by ships of the Royal Navy.

The Russian Navy is going to help pound Aleppo to dust.

Wonder where Code Pink and the Western “Peace” Protestors are? Haven’t heard much from them.
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October 21, 2016 11:37am
- Kimbo
  
  Wasn’t it a bedrock principle of Western containment of Russia that their navy would never be granted access beyond the Bosporus/into the Mediterranean?! I seem to remember Crimea was fought, in part, for that very reason. And it is a key reason why Turkey is in NATO.
  
  Maybe the British are trying to avoid a stuff-up like the last time a Russian surface fleet from the Baltic journeyed through the North Sea on its way to its fate at the Battle of Tsushima,…and they somehow conspired to wage the “battle of the Dogger Bank” against what they thought was a surprise Japanese attack…but in fact it was the herring boats operating out of Hull!
  
  http://www.hullwebs.co.uk/content/l-20c/disaster/dogger-bank/voyage-of-dammed.htm
  
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  October 21, 2016 11:53am
  - tom hunter
    
    Containment?
    
    How very Cold Warish of you. The West no longer believes in containment. It believes in the United Nations, and international agreements and diplomacy with lots and lots and lots of talking, and “resets” from Cowboy Diplomacy, complete with big red buttons to denote the arrival of “Smart Power”.
    
    That’s why the world, and especially the Middle East, is in such good shape now compared to the Bush years.
    
    Remember – Smart Power (TM Obama-Clinton 2009).
    
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    October 21, 2016 12:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      tom hunter , thus the unrequested intervention in Iraq 2003 and the Bush timetable for withdrawal observed by Obama to the letter had nothing to do with it ?
      
      And who was responsible for the Arab Spring protests and the decisions to repress them ?
      
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      October 21, 2016 1:37pm
Inandout

Dear Hillary, you are so corrupt, but I might still try this product..

https://punditfromanotherplanet.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/mad-hillary1.png?w=590&h=589
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October 21, 2016 11:51am
Ross12

In the debate yesterday(NZ time) Clinton tries to tell everyone why Trump is not suitable to be President because it is the President who has final say on pushing the nuclear button and she says this

“The bottom line on nuclear weapons is when the President gives the order it must be followed. There’s about 4 minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so ..”

How incompetent can you get mentioning detail like that ?? And all the MSM can do is pick up on Trumps comment on immediately accepting results.
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October 21, 2016 11:57am
Manolo

No wonder the American public school system is fucked. With hopeless “teachers” like these:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/2000-seattle-teachers-wear-black-lives-matter-shirts-to-class/

About 2,000 Seattle educators wore Black Lives Matter shirts at their schools Wednesday to call for racial equity in education.

Schools across the district held “Black Lives Matter at School” rallies before classes began for the day. Students, parents and teachers also wore stickers and buttons emblazoned with the “Black Lives Matter” slogan.
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October 21, 2016 12:12pm
Manolo

Will Europe ever wake up?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-20/nationalists-and-populists-poised-to-dominate-european-balloting

As Europeans assess the fallout from the U.K.’s Brexit referendum, they face a series of elections that could equally shake the political establishment.

In the coming 12 months, four of Europe’s five largest economies have votes that will almost certainly mean serious gains for right-wing populists and nationalists.
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October 21, 2016 12:55pm
Lucia Maria

Interruption of the thread for some culture.

As some of us await (with dread) the next season of the Walking Dead and the identity of the person who dies by barbed wire bat; to remind the world of what has happened so far, John Cleese has narrated an amusing summary of the last 6 seasons.
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October 21, 2016 1:12pm
Jack5

It looks like other Western countries may have to block Swedes from migrating to their nations.

The Swedes are offering housing and benefits to returning ISIL jihadi.

These Islamic extremist monsters make the SS look like the Salvation Army. Who can risk having these dogs move into their country?

The Swedes are mad. They show where political correct welfarism can take a country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-isis-fighters-city-lund-returning-jihadis-housing-job-education-benefits-reintegration-a7371266.html
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October 21, 2016 1:18pm
- Zed
  
  Civilisations fall from within. The swedes -and western europeans in general- are racing towards a new format of countries where cultural heritage does not exist yet they forget that every other civ on the planet is proud of its cultural heritage and that’s precisely why immigrants in europe demand ‘understanding’ and ‘exceptions’ due to their ‘religious and/or cultural customs’ which is in turn why the UK government will start paying more money in benefits to Muslim families where the man has more than one wife.
  
  Multiculturalism is a train that immigrants who are not interested in integration get off once they reach their destination…..borrowing from Erdogan’s quote on Democracy
  
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  October 21, 2016 2:37pm
  - EAD
    
    The thing is though, Sweden is not falling within – it is being led to its destruction by external, non-Swedish forces.
    
    The Swedish people didn’t wake up one morning and decide “you know what, let’s start a slow motion genociding of our people and replace them with low IQ violent 3rd worlders – who in there right mind would think that would be a good thing?
    
    What you are witnessing now, is the result of YEARS & YEARS of culturally conditioning
    
    https://redice.tv/news/how-and-why-sweden-became-multicultural
    
    INTRO:
    
    No one can deny that multiculturalism and mass immigration are a reality in Sweden today. However, it hasn’t always been so. As late as 1965, the social democratic Prime Minister of Sweden Tage Erlander said: “We Swedes live in an infinitely luckier situation. Our country’s population is homogeneous, not only in terms of race, but also in many other respects.”
    
    The demographic transformation of Sweden did not just happen to happen. It was a direct result of political decisions, which in turn could be undertaken because of some actor’s conscious agenda and very active advocacy in the 1960s and 1970s. Earlier, Sweden had an approach towards immigrants and ethnic minorities that was based either on expulsion or assimilation. Immigrants who were ethnically and culturally closely related would assimilate while non-European immigrants, Gypsies and Sami would be excluded from the community.
    
    Now, however, suddenly a new approach prevailed: Sweden would become a pluralistic multicultural society and the multicultural paradigm would become the overall goal of Swedish culture, politics and society.
    
    Read how this happened……
    
    Or, if video is more your thing, here is Barbra Lerner Spectre telling national TV why Sweden must erase themselves and who was going to lead them on this “transformation”:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
    
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    October 21, 2016 7:27pm
    - EAD
      
      Here are Spectre’s own words:
      
      “I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”
      
      Here that folks – without replacing your native populations and replacing them with Africans and Mohomaddians, Europe will not survive!!
      
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      October 21, 2016 7:33pm
      - Reid
        
        You’ll love this one EAD. Well, I know the only reason you post on this is to warn the idiots in the hope they do something about it before their grandchildren wake up in a land not their own, which is what the fools are allowing to happen.
        
        But check this.
        
        European kids taken to a Mosque and taught how to pray to Allah, prostrate and all, when Christianity is at one and the same time banned from their schools. Satanic, isn’t it.
        
        4. Dutch children being brought to a mosque and taught how to pray like Muslims in a manner which would be defacto illegal if it was any other religion at all, including Christianity, the founding faith of that entire culture.
        
        http://vladtepesblog.com/2016/10/16/todays-pop-quiz/
        
        But what’s the bet. The sheeple have no comment, nothing to see here, means nothing, won’t change anything, besides, they don’t want their kids learning anything about religion.
        
        No understanding what’s being done to them, none at all.
        
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        October 21, 2016 7:55pm
      - EAD
        
        @ Reid
        
        But what’s the bet. The sheeple have no comment, nothing to see here, means nothing, won’t change anything, besides, they don’t want their kids learning anything about religion.
        
        The thing is they can see but they don’t want to see. Here is an interview with Yuri Bezmenov – a former KGB agent on how propaganda and a long term plan of demoralisation is used to sovietise a country. If the sheeple think it is bad now, just watch as todays yoof start reaching adulthood after the education they’ve been receiving. Think safe spaces are bad – give it 10 years and we’ll have a red terror in the West – ultimately perpetrated by the same hand that did it to the Russians.
        
        http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm
        
        But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
        
        It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first one being “demoralization”. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism….
        
        The result? The result you can see … the people who graduated in the 60’s, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems. You are stuck with them. You can’t get through to them. They are contaminated. ey are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior……………….
        
        The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. …he will refuse to believe it…. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
        
        It’s so sad to see these people all around us losing their heads yet thinking of themselves as being perfectly normal, “progressive” even. The fact is they’re only sane in the context of an extremely sick and insane society.
        
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        October 21, 2016 8:19pm
Manolo

The EU doubles down:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3857252/No-free-trade-deal-without-open-borders-Hostile-EU-chiefs-tell-Britain-continue-let-thousands-migrant-workers-wants-access-single-market.html

Hostile EU leaders last night warned Theresa May that Britain must continue to let in hundreds of thousands of migrant workers every year if it wants access to the single market.

On day one of her first EU summit, the Prime Minister faced a barrage of demands from Eurocrats determined to preserve rules on free movement.
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October 21, 2016 2:26pm
- BananaLlama
  
  UKCANZ block in the making. I really must thank the EU for pushing the UK back into the dominions orbit.
  
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  October 21, 2016 2:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    Where those nations all belong, through common race, law , history and heritage.
    
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    October 21, 2016 3:23pm
- SPC
  
  This is because the EU is losing popularity with the people, thus exampling the UK is a way to
  
  1. deter emulation of its departure by others
  2. appease those nations unhappy with the EU, whose citizens move to the UK
  
  It will be increasingly possible to portray the EU as a government of occupation on behalf of the dominant economy Germany (the weak euro currency zone serves it by keeping its exports price competitive yet it imposes austerity and prevents the ECB from helping the weaker economies).
  
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  October 21, 2016 7:32pm
BananaLlama

No one talking about the Philippines aligning with China? It is a pretty big international development.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/america-has-lost-duterte-announces-separation-united-states-alligns-china
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October 21, 2016 2:28pm
- Manolo
  
  Should we flag that as another victory for Obama’s superior school of diplomacy?
  His triumphs are countless.
  
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  October 21, 2016 2:32pm
- kowtow
  
  BL
  
  Interesting isn’t it , the stories the MSM don’t spend much time on and yet are very important , like that Philippines “pivot”.
  
  Similarly the MSM feed us very little about Turkish aggression in Syria , yet constantly harp on about the guy helping the only party there that can provide security and stability , Putin for Assad.
  
  Or again how Erdogan has turned Turkey into a virtual police state and yet the Euro elites are happy to have them in the club…..
  
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  October 21, 2016 3:27pm
  - SPC
    
    In the real world the EU has deferred agreement on Turkish EU membership to neverneverland.
    
    The real issue is NATO membership, given the diverging of interest between the free world and the rest in terms of common principles.
    
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    October 21, 2016 7:42pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Can’t see this little love in with China lasting much past the end of Duterte’s presidency as however hard he tries to convince Filipinos otherwise they love the USA and it’s culture.
  Chinese in the Philippines as elsewhere in South East Asia are viewed with distrust and the average citizen of the country has very little affinity for them.
  The Philippines will come crawling back, just give it time.
  
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  October 21, 2016 3:35pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And how long will Durtete’s presidency last before his gunslinging attitude is turned back on himself?
    
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    October 21, 2016 3:57pm
  - kowtow
    
    REally, for as long as I can remember they’ve been clamouring Yankee go home , Subic Bay and all that. Despite the massive amount of money (and other things) the Yanks pump into them.
    
    China will be very anxious and willing to fill the vacuum.
    
    Funny innit it, how the media always tell us the first term for a US prez, is about domestic issues and second term is meant to be about foreign policy , We don’t hear too much of that as they don’t want to draw attention to their Messiah’s disastrous presidency with nothing to show except deep divisions and disillusionment at home and defeat and retreat abroad.
    
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    October 21, 2016 4:19pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      The yanks left Subic and Clark in 1991 in a blaze of Filipino nationalism pretty similar to the current situation.
      However gradually the Philippines backpedalled by firstly allowing US forces back to the south of the country and then following this ships back to Subic Bay again.
      Give it time and history will repeat itself courtesy of the greenback and public pressure once the Spratleys turns nasty again.
      
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      October 21, 2016 4:50pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  easy for China to pay a few politicians off
  
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  October 21, 2016 4:21pm
  - kowtow
    
    Everyone does it.
    
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    October 21, 2016 4:46pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Especially Hillary and the Dems.
      
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      October 21, 2016 5:24pm
- SPC
  
  Nice how he campaigned as a champion of their national interests against China, then once in office seeks to sell out the other nations in ASEAN for some unilateral deal (which is selling out the nation’s 200 mile EZ for economic investment)
  
  He’ll have made enemies amongst the neighbours for this.
  
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  October 21, 2016 7:38pm
  - SPC
    
    The Chinese offered $9B in low interest loans as a sweetener.
    
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    October 21, 2016 10:48pm
nasska

A successful businessman decides that since he’s had a good year he’ll trade his BMW up for a Mercedes.

“This is as good as it gets.” says the salesman. “Everything about this car is luxury, from the sleek interior leather to the self cancelling indicators…..this car has everything”.

“Self cancelling what?” asks the businessman.
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October 21, 2016 9:12pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Peter. Peter, I need you to hold my ears!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SKdN1xQBjk
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October 21, 2016 9:32pm
sooty

Stephieboys went of the air at 1.37pm today. Must have gone to meet the inman for reeducation. Were they told no one is been converted to Hillary. They will be back with vengance and post twice as much shit to support Cankles Clinton.
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October 21, 2016 10:32pm
Manolo

Reflection of these sad times:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/oprah-winfrey-on-clinton-230148

Oprah Winfrey’s message for undecided voters is simple: There’s only once choice, and you don’t have to like her.

The former talk show host and media mogul, who endorsed Hillary Clinton in June, said she has been largely silent in this election because she wasn’t sure she had words that were loud enough to be heard over the tumult.
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October 22, 2016 6:55am
Manolo

The crook Clinton would sell her own daughter in exchange for money:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacked-emails-show-clinton-pushed-for-charity-meeting-in-morocco/

Hacked emails reveal internal disagreement among top aides to Hillary Clinton about her determination to hold a Clinton Foundation summit in Morocco that later drew attention over its reliance on large financial pledges from foreign governments.
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October 22, 2016 6:58am
paul scott

Farrar avoiding fundamental political issues.
I have been looking for any post from Farrar on
Housing ,
Immigration ,
Government borrowing
Finlayson’s Taranaki Bill and the race based appointments.
There are none. Just yellow rag stuff.
There was a time when Kiwiblog had a strong position in the presentation of relevant news .
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