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Garbageman

Morning All, before everyone starts getting their knickers in a twist over the Trump/Clinton fiasco enjoy a mini dump of some cartoons I found on Imgur last night
http://imgur.com/gallery/tjgpb
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October 20, 2016 8:03am
- Manolo
  
  Very good. Thank you.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:08am
- Liberty
  
  Trump is History with only a 8% chance of winning
  http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:26am
- SPC
  
  Why oh why does Clinton not invite Trump’s first and second wives to sit with Bill during the debate?
  
  The first accused Donald of rape when filing for divorce (another women the third wife would accuse of lying – the mother of his children) and he was with the second while married to the first.
  
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  October 20, 2016 2:07pm
Manolo

The innocent Messiah is part of it:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/18/exposed-dem-operative-who-oversaw-trump-rally-agitators-visited-white-house-342-times/

Robert Creamer, who acted as a middle man between the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee and “protesters” who tried — and succeeded — to provoke violence at Trump rallies met with President Obama 47 times, according to White House records. Creamer’s last visit was in June 2016.
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October 20, 2016 8:06am
- Fletch
  
  Remember this? Two Democrat operatives were found guilty and jailed for adding 9 pages of fake names in the primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election. By rights, Obama should never even have been president. He didn’t have enough votes.
  
  A jury in South Bend, Indiana has found that fraud put President Obama and Hillary Clinton on the presidential primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election. Two Democratic political operatives were convicted Thursday night in the illegal scheme after only three hours of deliberations. They were found guilty on all counts.
  
  According to testimony from two former Board of Election officials who pled guilty, Morgan ordered Democratic officials and workers to fake the names and signatures that Obama and Clinton needed to qualify for the presidential race. Blythe, then a Board of Elections employee and Democratic Party volunteer, was accused of forging multiple pages of the Obama petitions.
  
  Under state law, presidential candidates need to qualify for the primary ballots with 500 signatures from each of the state’s nine congressional districts. Indiana election officials say that in St. Joseph County, which is the 2nd Congressional district, the Obama campaign qualified with 534 signatures; Clinton’s camp had 704.
  
  Prosecutors say that in President Obama’s case, nine of the petition pages were apparently forged. Each petition contains up to 10 names, making a possible total of 90 names, which, if faked, could have brought the Obama total below the legal limit required to qualify. Prosecutors say 13 Clinton petitions were apparently forged, meaning up to 130 possibly fake signatures. Even if 130 signatures had been challenged, it would have still left Mrs. Clinton with enough signatures to meet the 500 person threshold.
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/26/officials-found-guilty-in-obama-clinton-ballot-petition-fraud/
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , he or she is without sin cast the first stone ,
    
    GOP’s voter fraud humiliation: Turns out Wisconsin’s worst case is a Republican
    Maybe the real reason Scott Walker and Reince Preibus think their state needs tougher laws is a guilty conscience
    
    “It’s always seemed strange that Wisconsin Republicans like Reince Priebus and Scott Walker would insult their own state by claiming that it has a problem with voter fraud and needs tougher laws to prevent it. Wisconsin has traditionally been known for an uncommonly clean political culture (until recently, anyway), and I’ve never quite understood why conservatives would want to impugn it…”
    
    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/gops_voter_fraud_humiliation_turns_out_wisconsins_worst_case_is_a_republican/
    
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    October 20, 2016 12:29pm
- Ed Snack
  
  And even more, showing just how completely corrupt the whole Clinton machine is.
  
  Following the latest dump of emails from John Podesta, an attempt has been made to link Assange to a Child Sex charge. That attempt has been traced back to Premise Data Corporation, on the board of PDC is one Larry Summers, closely connected with the Clinton campaign and also works at the Centre for American Progress. That CFAP organization was founded by John Podesta and is Soros funded.
  
  David Soloff who co-founded PDC had a “secret” meeting with Clinton and Kaine earlier this year.
  
  So this surely should be the juiciest story of the year. Senior, very senior, Democrat staffers are caught on tape claiming that they fomented violence at Trump rallys, that they actively stuff ballot boxes and engage in electoral fraud; and now they try to stage fake paedophilia links to an opponent. Imagine if Trump and his people were caught doing any of this – wall to wall coverage.
  
  Given this “honesty” and modus operandi that the Democrats have, I think we can be satisfied that all of those claims about Trump groping women comes from the same playbook. They’re all false, made by people paid to say what they do, and stage managed and pushed by the media as the good little Clintonistas that they are.
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:10pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Here’s another way the media facilitate and how the Clinton campaign just gets away with “shit”.
  
  Clinton campaign bus is caught on film dumping it’s toilet wastes down a public stormwater drain. Local officials called out have to deal with the stench and the public health issues.
  
  Mentions in MSM = zero.
  
  Alternate scenario, Trump campaign bus dumps waste in stormwater = biggest story after grope-gate, featured on front page of NYT, WaPo, LAT, on MSNBC, CNN etc for at least 30 minutes at prime time.
  
  I reckon this incident though is a near perfect encapsulation of the campaign. Clinton dumps shit everywhere and everyone ignores the stench and looks the other way. Because ?
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:19pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack , kindly link / source that claim ?
    
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    October 20, 2016 12:22pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/19/campaign-bus-dumps-human-waste/
      
      Even the badly biased Snopes can’t deny the video evidence.
      
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      October 20, 2016 3:37pm
tom hunter

As a follow-up to yesterday’s discussions about the US Media and political culture I found this comment, which concisely (and sadly) sums up what Washington D.C. has become:

In this world, there are Bill and Hillary, the Podesta brothers, Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner, Christiane Amanpour and Jamie Rubin, Samantha Power and Cass Sunstein, Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan, and on and on. Jorge Ramos goes after Trump; his daughter works for Hillary; and his boss at Univision badgers the Clinton campaign to stay lax on open borders — the lifeblood that nourishes his non-English-speaking money machine.

George Stephanopoulos, who helped run the Clinton campaign and White House, and who as a debate moderator obsessed over Mitt Romney’s answers to abortion hypotheticals, is the disinterested ABC News chief anchor.

CNN vice president Virginia Moseley is married to Hillary Clinton’s former deputy secretary at the State Department Tom Nides (now of Morgan Stanley) — suggesting “The Clinton News Network” is not really a right-wing joke.

Former ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, a — pre-Benghazi — regular on the Sunday talk shows.

CBS president David Rhodes is the sibling of aspiring novelist Ben Rhodes, Obama’s deputy national security adviser for “strategic communications and Speechwriting,” whatever that fictive title means.

ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman married former White House press secretary Jay Carney (now senior vice president for “worldwide corporate affairs” at Amazon: not just “corporate affairs” or “worldwide affairs” but “worldwide corporate affairs”). And on and on.

These nice people report on each other. They praise each other, award each other, make money together, and bristle with each other when they are collectively and pejoratively dubbed the “elites.”
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October 20, 2016 8:06am
Kimbo

Interesting op ed by Bryan Gould (yes, really!) in relation to the late Helen Kelly and her primary political and life motivation, the need for “kindness”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11731824

While I agree whole-heatedly, the issue I have is that the term is insufficient on its own. Is it “kind” allow dictators to murder, is it “kind” to subsidise the inefficient at the expense of everyone else, is it “kind” to trap people in welfare? As when some theologians in the 1960s tried to dispense with what they saw as academic complexity by saying “God is love” covers all you need to know about him…um no.
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October 20, 2016 8:09am
Newbie

re the Tostee murder trial, did Tosteee ring the police after locking the woman out on the balcony and expressing fears for his safety, or something?
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October 20, 2016 8:11am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  That woman was a total nut case:
  
  There was no medical evidence the 26-year-old [Warriena Wright] was strangled before her death, but her body bore multiple scars suspected of being self-inflicted.
  
  — Brisbane’s Courier Mail
  
  She [pathologist Dianne Little] said there were no physical signs the New Zealand tourist had been choked, but was instead covered with wounds likely self-inflicted including on her right leg, chest and wrists.
  
  — The Daily Mail
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:17am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Some people can act very strange when drunk. He gave homemade vodka. He refused to let her out the main door.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:22am
- Gabby
  
  Did he consider shoving her out into the hallway rather than onto the balcony? Of course she wouldn’t have been available later then.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:43am
- Chuck Bird
  
  A juror has been found to be posting to Instagram about the Gable Tostee trial and there is an application to have the jury discharged, the Courier-Mail reports.
  
  I hope the corrupt juror gets a major fine.
  
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  October 20, 2016 4:29pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Chuck .You may be interested in reading the latest post on menz.org.nz
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:31pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Gable Tostee “not guilty”. If you disagree with that “verdict”, then that
    legal sage and philosopher Chris Trotter has some stern advice for you.
    
    Gable Tostee, 30, was charged after Warriena Wright, 26, fell from his balcony in Queensland’s Gold Coast in August 2014. Prosecutors argued that she was so intimidated that she tried to escape by climbing to a lower floor, but fell.
    
    After four days of deliberation, the jury has found Gable Tostee not guilty of murder and manslaughter.
    
    In case you are foolish enough to be disgusted by that “verdict”, then you should consider the following piece of solemn admonition….
    
    I think all this talk about the jury is most unfortunate. You have, even in this case I think, to trust the jury. In any trial, there are always items of evidence that we do not know about, even in this case I think.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-19072013/#comment-664870
    
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    October 21, 2016 6:59am
rangitoto

Socialist utopia Venezuela now with exploding corpses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3852564/Corpses-EXPLODING-Venezuela-s-morgues-cash-strapped-Socialist-country-afford-provide-air-conditioning.html
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October 20, 2016 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Well their inflation is over 700%… expected to be 1600% next year.
  
  Channeling Angry for a bit: And our government can’t even make 1% inflation. Honest hardworking kiwis deserve more inflation. Not good enough!
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:19am
- labrator
  
  Even the dead can’t get away from the inflation!
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:47am
  - Im Right
    
    got to be the best post in a long while…made me laugh, thanks!
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:45am
- Rich Prick
  
  Even in death socialism is a bastard.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:03am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Another lucky native European gets to experience Diversity and be culturally enriched by an African ‘child’ migrant!:

19-year-old Muslim migrant RAPES 90-year-old grandmother coming home from CHURCH

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/19-year-old-muslim-migrant-rapes-90-year-old-grandmother-coming-home-from-church.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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October 20, 2016 8:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  you do well there well with your associate nasty and vindictive vindictive Pamela Geller using the most” reputable” of her trash sources ,
  
  http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/07/pamela-geller-watch-genocide-denier/
  
  +++,
  
  http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2010/10/13/gellers-wealth-from-corruption-fraud-mayve-facilitated-cop-killing/
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:20am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yes the problem is not the rapists its the people complaining about the rapists!!!
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:24am
    - stephieboy
      
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      No,the problem is the Truth of the claim coming as it does from sleaze media including sleaze bag and serial misinformer Geller .
      
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      October 20, 2016 8:41am
      - Rich Prick
        
        It must really upset you when your Muslims behave so badly. A 19 year old Muslim raping a 90 year old woman! But yeah, we get it, because Geller reports it, it didn’t happen. You are beneath contempt.
        
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        October 20, 2016 9:09am
Jack5

The maniacs of political correctness strike again.

They’ve led to the British Army taking down a photograph of a soldier with his face blackened with camouflage paint.

Does the NZ Army have to clear camouflage with Dame Devoid?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/19/the-army-has-bigger-things-to-worry-about-than-phony-outrage-abo/
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October 20, 2016 8:13am
- Jack5
  
  A thought: will Europe’s armies be able to wear white camouflage for northern winter fighting, or will that be banned as promoting the Ku Klux Klan?
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Shouldn’t be a problem , with all this global warming lark going on.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  Jack5
  
  The real culprit there is the army removing the picture in face of the criticism. The offenderatti should be told in no uncertain terms “Get Fucked.”
  
  The more we surrender the more they push. Ridiculous.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:57am
wiseowl

It is farcical when we have the PCE telling all and sundry that we have to stop emissions from cows because of climate change.
When is someone of substance going to stand up and say this is total nonsense and the charade that is costing taxpayers millions, has to stop.
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October 20, 2016 8:15am
- Jack5
  
  Wiseowl, the West is undergoing some sort of psychotic episode. The lunatics of society have successfully staged a coup and taken control of a large part of the media.
  
  Sanity will return, however. Coups are transitory phenomena.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:17am
- cmm
  
  Any climate change believer should welcome dairy in NZ.
  
  Our cows generate less methane (and other environmental degradation) per litre of milk produced. Therefore producing milk in NZ is less environmentally damaging (including CO2) than producing it elsewhere.
  
  If we were to shut down dairy in NZ to reduce our footprint it would just force others to produce more.
  
  What they should really be decrying are the dairy farmers in EU/USA who are generating more methane per litre than NZ, but then dump the milk. That’ s a whole lot of emissions for zero output!
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:26am
  - holysheet
    
    It’s more than that.
    The cows now days are feed all sorts of stuff that the rumen has to adjust to. Palm kernal, high nitrogen boosted grass, new grass species etc etc.
    
    When will the so called scientists do research into what the cows are eating. This might be causing the problem of high methane emissions and the animals inability to fully process these new feeds.
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      Well there is a lot of research going on by scientists measuring farts and burps. They also do a lot of study into agronomics etc.
      
      They are also working on various additives to suppress methane production.
      
      Nitrogen does not form part of CO2 or methane, but does form part of proteins (required to make milk and meat).
      
      By increasing nitrogen input (and other feed boosting), the animals grow faster and generate more milk. That means more output (meat/milk) with less inputs. That means less greenhouse gases emitted per kg of meat or milk.
      
      So there’s a lot going on. Just because you are ignorant of it does not mean it is not happening.
      
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      October 20, 2016 8:58am
- Dave Mann
  
  Sorry, downticked by accident (I was going to say ‘fat finger syndrome’ but actually I think its ‘faulty web design syndrome’ … ?)
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:50am
  - RF
    
    Dave Mann.. Just proved your complaint. Meant to uptick you and it finished up as a down. Not IPad or Apple phone friendly
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:17am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Thanks… but what’s the other guy’s excuse? I mean… nobody should seriously downtick anything I write because I’m so witty, wise and correct in my views. It’s a mystery to me… ????
      
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      October 20, 2016 9:29am
    - VicParking
      
      Ipad user. Before you tick place two fingers on post and spread them apart. Wow everything gets bigger so your fat fingers will not miss the uptick icon. When finished place you two fingers apart and bring them back together. Wow everything small again
      
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      October 20, 2016 10:53am
      - Jack5
        
        The “report” and “reply” buttons are close together, until the branching of replies finally faults and there is only “report”, but in the place where “reply” otherwise sits.
        
        This makes it easy to accidentally hit “report” on the last of the branches.
        
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        October 20, 2016 1:16pm
  - Fletch
    
    Sounds like a ‘faulty’ U.S voting machine…
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:04am
- G152
  
  We have the population of a large foreign city.
  Including those methane producing animals that we export to feed much of the world.
  I reckon they should concentrate on the African wildlife if grass eating animals are the problem..
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:54am
  - rangitoto
    
    A large amount of methane comes from wetlands and swamps. Just drain them and convert to dairy farms. problem solved.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:54am
Happychappy

With all of the debate and judging the performance of her job as Education Ministry I wondered if we could get someone to set up a blog that Journalist’s like Paddy Gower,Vernon Small,Jane Patterson and John Campbell have their performance rated and results published and see how they handle the pressure that they relish putting on others
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October 20, 2016 8:18am
tom hunter

I also enjoyed this commentary, from a Republican political type, who said it’s bad form for a Republican to slam his party’s nominee by name and in public, but unburdened himself off the record:

Because of all the unconventional insanity that has occurred in this election, everyone is too scared to say anything conclusive. But this campaign is over. Oh, sure, if Hillary passed out during the debate, or something equally bizarre happened, then it could change. But barring something extraterrestrial, this is over.

Trump was on a glide path to win three weeks ago. Then he had a poor first debate, followed by a debate on the exact weight of Miss Universe, followed by the famous bus ride with Billy Bush, followed by 10 women coming forward, followed by a terrible first 15 minutes of the second debate, followed by the brilliant “rigged election” strategy. This goose has cooked himself.

It is now out of Trump’s hands. He could have a brilliant and disciplined final three weeks, and he still would not win. The damage has been done, the race has taken its final turn.

As the Gordon Lightfoot song says, “at 7 p.m. a main hatchway caved in.” That’s where we are, sinking into the icy waters of Lake Superior.

I don’t agree that Trump was on a “glidepath” to winning three weeks ago. I’ve thought – at several points in the campaign – that he had a shot at winning, had he ever been willing to do what was needed. But because he’s Trump he could not.

Still, that final image has stuck with me. I think I’ll play the song, with those ghostly, opening guitar chords on Nov 8 when Trump finally has to publically acknowledge the terrible truth.
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October 20, 2016 8:19am
- mikenmild
  
  It seems to me that he won’t acknowledge that truth. He could never admit that he is a loser, could he? So we are being prepared for the ‘stolen election’ bullshit that can be believed by the core Trumpistas.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:26am
  - tom hunter
    
    That could be the case mm. Standing up in the largest, public forum of his life – basically a global stage – and acknowledging that he’s a loser – and to a girl? I wonder if his ego can take it? Can he be man enough to do so?
    
    But maybe he’ll just deal with it as another episode of WWE wrestling or some other reality TV show: the hero defeated – but only momentarily. You know he’ll be back; onward and upward to greater things – like Trump TV, “Where You Learn The Truth!
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:31am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Trump has already won, the fact he made it this far is amazing considering all the corruption and fraud he is up against fighting the (((Globalist Elite))).
      
      But more importantly, a white working class based political movement has finally woken up.
      
      This is just the beginning.
      
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      October 20, 2016 8:45am
  - lilman
    
    Seriously have you seen the polling booths and the fraud going on,it seems no-one cares?
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:08am
- dime
  
  ever heard of bullet points dude??
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:30am
  - tom hunter
    
    ?
    
    I’ve done too many Powerpoint presentations in my life to bother with that shit, dime. Besides, I didn’t think my last comment was that long!
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:32am
    - dime
      
      i never read your posts. they are all long as fuck with huge cut & paste pieces.
      
      if they were a bit more succinct and you just did a quick quote and a link it would be more interesting.
      
      on the bright side, you can call me an asshole second line in and ill never know.
      
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      October 20, 2016 8:42am
      - tom hunter
        
        Fair enough. I think Pete George had the same criticism of me.
        
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        October 20, 2016 8:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        dime, here , here ! For once and perhaps only once I agree with you .
        
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        October 20, 2016 8:52am
      - tom hunter
        
        Yes, Stephieboy. We all know how hard you find reading. All those multi-syllable words put into paragraphs and sentences and reasoned arguments. I’m sure it’s a nightmare for you.
        
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        October 20, 2016 8:57am
dime

Tostee – starting to think he will do no time. he shouldnt either imho.

i suspect their are a couple of morons on the jury who are holding things up.

everytime they ask a question the judge is almost syaing – hes not guilty ffs!!
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October 20, 2016 8:29am
- kowtow
  
  6 men and 6 wimin.
  
  Hung jury.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:28am
  - dime
    
    thats fucked eh!
    
    Mrs Dime thinks he should walk.
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:20am
    - RF
      
      dime.
      
      Nah… Guilty of Manslaughter not murder.
      
      Hope the roll between the sheets was worth it. Usually is at the time but a few minutes / hours later it’s not that important. Just saying…
      
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      October 20, 2016 10:58am
      - dime
        
        would you personally convict him of manslaughter?
        
        i reckon if he gets that, he judge will go light
        
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        October 20, 2016 11:39am
- SPC
  
  The judge is clearly on the side of a no conviction outcome – he went as far as ruling (misdirecting the jury) that the balcony was not part of the apartment of Tostee (when it clearly is).
  
  And Tostee should do time – more for using force to confine her to his property (taking her hostage), leaving her to resort to risking her life to escape (but this is not a charge made).
  
  However calling that manslaughter is grey area territory – unless there was reasonable fear on her part of the consequences of staying where she was. But plausible on the argument that putting a drunk person into such an area was to risk their safety.
  
  Possibly some who want him to do time for taking her captive are holding for a no verdict, supporting a manslaughter charge so he can be re-tried?
  
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  October 20, 2016 1:35pm
Simon

Byron York? MSM outta of DC. Whatever. Jeb Bush is gone Tom.

Its Trump & the people vs Capitol Hill which includes turds like Paul & Bushs.

Trump will get through ok. If the turn out is high with the traditional non voters voting then Trump will piss in.
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October 20, 2016 8:31am
- tom hunter
  
  The Donald is gone, Simon. The Donald is gone.
  
  Have you considered putting grunting into your comments.
  
  I think it would add a lot.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:35am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    That’s what you lot said about Brexit, remember?
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:47am
    - tom hunter
      
      You’re so desperate to comment and inflame here on Kiwiblog that you’re willing to make these pathetic jumps from Kea to Icarus to Jizz-Hands Mc Feels?
      
      Who did you think you were fooling when “Icarus” vanished the other night? Several days to get a new email and logon?
      
      Jesus, you are one sad and fucked up human being.
      
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      October 20, 2016 8:51am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        You missed Kriss X.
        And probably a few others that “flew” under the radar.
        
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        October 20, 2016 9:14am
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        That’s not very nice, Tom!
        Welcome back Icky. ..if that’s you…
        
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        October 20, 2016 10:36am
stephieboy

I wonder if Trump who is planning to bring a family member of a Benghazi victim along to the debate will also bring along the late Benghazi Ambassador’s Chris Steven family member ?

“Ambassador Chris Stevens’s Family Speaks on Benghazi: ‘Do Not Blame Hillary Clinton”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ambassador-chris-stevenss-sister-speaks-on-benghazi-i-do-not-blame-hillary-clinton/

Trump again excels himself as a cheap and crude propagandist that would even astound Joseph Goebbels !
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October 20, 2016 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  It is possible Trump has been reading the koran, and the passages on deception. After all, Hillary keeps a copy under her pillow, and has found it an excellent reference book for the art of lying.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , Trump has never , never told a lie ?
    
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien#
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:54am
- Fletch
  
  I know that he is bringing Obama’s half-brother Malik, who is a Trump supporter.
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:06am
All_on_Red

http://www.steynonline.com/7564/laws-are-for-the-little-people
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October 20, 2016 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , so what specific Law did Hillary Clinton break ?
  
  Trump one of the little people ?
  
  LOL !
  
  http://www.pajiba.com/politics/a-complete-list-of-all-the-times-donald-trump-has-broken-the-law.php
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:39am
  - Inandout
    
    You send these links but obviously don’t scroll down to the comments section. Hillary is a criminal liar.
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , I go for facts not comment pieces by obviously Trump supporters !
      
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      October 20, 2016 8:57am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Good morning Stephistani commenting cabal.
        
        You wouldn’t know a fact if someone rolled it up and beat you to death with it. (A thought that for some reason, gives me a perverse thrill)
        
        The irony of you commenting on the worthiness of other peoples links.
        
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        October 20, 2016 9:18am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Stephieboyr:
    
    1. Perjury – swore on oath before a federal judge that she released all emails relevant to State Department: Proven false – guilty
    
    2. Obstruction/Perversion of Justice – Subpoena issued by Congress (which has the legal authority to do so) on 3 March 2016; eMails subjected to that subpoena deleted 25 March with participants aware of subpoena (not that it matters) at the time. Guilty
    
    3. Various federal laws on information security – standard to be applied in the law, negligence; FBI description “extremely careless”: Guilty.
    
    All this is confirmed in publicly released documents from the FBI. All charges have penalties that include up to 10 years imprisonment (varies on charges). If you doubt, please read that evidence before beclowning yourself again.
    
    Only one thing is missing, there needs to be a law passed that overturns Clinton’s immunity from all US Federal and State laws; because apparently that exists.
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:39am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ed Snack , formally charged and duly arraigned / tried in a court of law by due process ?
      
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      October 20, 2016 12:33pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Stephieboy, that is not related at all. As we all know, Hillary Clinton is above such petty laws, they are for little people. She can (and does) lie, commit perjury, destroy evidence and she will not be charged even if the evidence is irrefutable. The current Department of Justice are the people who have the power to prosecute; and they simply will not do so under any circumstances; because of one critical fact – she is a Democrat. Corrupt and contempt for the law doesn’t even begin to describe it.
        
        That however doesn’t get around the fact: she has committed a number of crimes that we have direct evidence for.
        
        Challenge: have you read the FBI evidence ? If so can you make a clear statement that she did not commit perjury; that she is not completely complicit in the destruction of evidence. And are you aware that the federal data security laws she has violated DO NOT need intent to prosecute ?
        
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        October 20, 2016 3:43pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Corruption creeps in at the choice of who is to be prosecuted. It places all justice at the mercy of whoever makes that decision.
      
      I don’t think it should be a judgement call that prosecutors get to make. In the case of public officials or elected politicians – if there is a prima-facie case it should always be prosecuted. The law cannot afford to play favorites
      
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      October 21, 2016 12:42am
- Manolo
  
  From that excellent article:
  Just so. Trump is an unknown. But, to channel Donald Rumsfeld, Hillary is the most known known in the history of knowns. And what we know of her is that she’s stinkingly corrupt, above the law, and able to suborn entire government agencies in the cause of her corruption.
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:01am
tom hunter

There are political lies, which we roll over and accept. And then there are deeply personal, horrible fucking lies where one person looks into the eyes of another and lies to them.
Watch the mother of one of the Benghazi victims talk about how Hillary looked in her eyes and blamed a video for her son’s death, which Hillary already knew was not true

What an awful human being Hillary Clinton is.
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October 20, 2016 8:46am
- stephieboy
  
  tom hunter , well the late Benghazi Ambassador Chris Stevens family don’t think so ,
  
  http://www.mediaite.com/online/ambassador-chris-stevenss-sister-speaks-on-benghazi-i-do-not-blame-hillary-clinton/
  
  Nor would it seem the 17 victims of the 1983 Beirut Bombing attacks !
  
  http://dakotafreepress.com/2016/06/22/lowe-gop-treats-benghazi-far-differently-from-reagan-era-beirut-bombings/
  
  These Benghazi victim relatives who allow themselves to be used by the GOP and Trump need to learn to get over it and themselves and get a perspective on things !
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:01am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Life in a country run by Hispanics, #BUILDTHEWALL:

Mexican authorities are working to uncover who kidnapped six men and one woman and severed their hands, sending a message to pickpockets and thieves.

The gory mutilations took place on Monday in the Mexican city of Tlaquepaque, Jalisco, where according authorities, the victims had been kidnapped from various parts of the city.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/10/18/graphic-alleged-drug-thieves-suffer-street-amputations-mexico/
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October 20, 2016 8:51am
RF

Dan Carter is crying a river to the media about how he has been done wrong. He cannot understand why anyone would even suspect he took banned drugs. Shock horror … pass me the smelling salts.

Does that mean the tooth fairy was responsible for his positive test.
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October 20, 2016 8:52am
- dime
  
  im out of the loop. what did he test positive for?
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:00am
  - VicParking
    
    Not counting all the money he has fast enough.
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:00am
- Garbageman
  
  From the relevant article
  “Dan Carter, who has been cleared by the French rugby federation (FFR) of any doping wrongdoing after the French championship final, believes there is nothing wrong with getting an injection of corticoids to treat an injury typically used to treat inflammation or joint pain”
  Both were cleared sorry RF
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:04am
  - RF
    
    Garbageman.
    
    Understood but wee precious won’t let it go. The more he brings it up he digs a bigger hole by reminding us. I understand it was a banned drug but he had approval to use it. You have to question why he would want to use a banned substance when there are others that are not banned
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:26am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      You have to question why he would want to use a banned substance when there are others that are not banned
      
      No, you don’t have to question that at all. Dan Carter is not a medical professional. He took the advice of a doctor whose job it is to know what is allowed and what isn’t in response to what medical circumstances. Was he supposed to know better than the doctor?
      
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      October 20, 2016 9:41am
      - RF
        
        That’s crap. Carter was yodelling that they had an exemption so they must have known it was on the banned list when taking it
        
        Carter should have followed Joe Rocokoc’s example who kept his head down during the investigation and quietly moved on without continually whimping to the media.
        
        It’s a matter of class something Carter is lacking since money became his goal.
        
        No… I am not jealous as I know my limitations and happy with my lot……
        
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        October 20, 2016 11:54am
Simon

Trump position is that politicians are corrupt pieces of shit. I am not a politician.

Trump is right and he will win.
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October 20, 2016 8:56am
- tom hunter
  
  Photos to treasure…
  
  Trump with the Clintons.
  
  Trump yukking it up with Bill on the golf course.
  
  All having a great time. No corruption to be seen.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:38am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, but even friends can later become enemies. Look at Thomas Becket and King Henry II.
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:10am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Simon, I hope you are correct.
  But I seriously doubt that you are.
  BUT, I’m the deluded person who wrote on this blog at 7.45 a.m. on Friday 24th June that the Brexit vote was a waste of time and money as Brexit had no show.
  Please Lord, let me be wrong again.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:39am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Simon, I hope you are correct.
    But I seriously doubt that you are.
    
    I think by the time all the cemetery precinct’s are counted Donald is going to struggle.
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:36am
Simon

Paul Ryan corrupt piece of shit selling out the people.

FBI wouldn’t go after him either. Everyone knows it.

It aint left vs right only a moron thinks this. Its the people vs Capitol Hill.
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October 20, 2016 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
  simon , now what has ” the corrupt piece of shit done “that Trump hasn’t ?
  
  http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/28/12904136/donald-trump-corrupt
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:07am
- G152
  
  Paul Ryan will have to answer to those who voted for him and evidently they’re not happy.
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:03am
  - tom hunter
    
    Really?
    
    He won his primary a few months ago with 84% of the vote. Did you not know that?
    
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    October 20, 2016 5:42pm
Manolo

Her lies will never end:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/19/hillary-clinton-deleted-emails-with-her-email-server-technician/

Hillary Clinton deleted several emails she exchanged with Bryan Pagliano, the former Clinton campaign official who managed her private email system while at the State Department.

Judicial Watch, which released the emails on Wednesday, say that they undermine Clinton’s recent claims, made under oath, that she did not recall communicating with Pagliano about her emails.
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October 20, 2016 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
  “Judicial Watch vs. Hillary: The conservative group has a long history of spreading Clinton lies
  Right-wing strike force Judicial Watch is not letting up on Hillary’s emails — the media shouldn’t enable them”
  
  http://www.salon.com/2016/08/22/judicial-watch-vs-hillary-the-conservative-group-has-a-long-history-of-spreading-clinton-lies/
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:13am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The trouble for you and Salon is that they’re not lies about Clinton, they’re the constant litany of lies that Hillary Clinton tells that matter.
    
    Come on Stephieboy, it is absolutely proven that Hillary Clinton lied on oath to a Federal Judge; that’s a serious crime, Perjury. Why should she not be charged over it ?
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ed Snack , duly charged and arraigned before what court of law precisely ?
      
      “The Outrageously False Charges of Perjury Against Hillary Clinton”
      
      https://verdict.justia.com/2016/08/19/outrageously-false-charges-perjury-hillary-clinton
      
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      October 20, 2016 12:38pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Stephieboy, wrong charge, though that’s a pretty poor piece of partisan reporting. Clinton testified on oath before a federal judge that she had handed over all emails that dealt with official business during her period as Secretary of State. The FBI evidence is perfectly, unmistakeably clear: she did not and she knew it. Amongst those deleted (deleted as being private) emails, around 1,000 were emails exchanged with General Petreaus, who was then head of Centcom (US Army head) and then as director of the CIA. Private ? Were they perhaps swapping hummus recipes ?
        
        Note also, when Scooter Libby was tried and convicted of perjury, he had said that he didn’t recall a certain conversation, and yet was found to have committed perjury for that memory lapse. Of course he was a Republican and subject to different laws, but it at least demonstrates, contrary to that hit piece) that wilful intent is not ruled out by stating that one cannot remember or recall something.
        
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        October 20, 2016 3:51pm
Manolo

“Royal Family” feud:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article109120517.html

One of President Barack Obama’s half-brothers will be attending the final presidential debate Wednesday night as Donald Trump’s guest, but another of Obama’s half-siblings said he disapproves of the decision.
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October 20, 2016 9:09am
- Garbageman
  
  I see he is bringing at least one of the Benghazi mothers as well, does anyone remember if these clowns ever had any actual policy before the circus started
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  But Obama’s half-mother has no view, she said, from under her sheet.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:17am
stephieboy

Manolo, desperation days for Trump and Trumpists ?

I understand the half brother could be Muslim ?

Please confirm ?
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October 20, 2016 9:14am
- AgentBallSack
  
  If he’s Obamas half brother, he’s probably only half Muslim.
  The question is, which half?
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:04am
Salacious Crumb

Stephieboy, have you ever sought assistance for your OCD (Obsessive Clinton Disorder)? Day after day after day of the same stuff; Trump Bad, Hillary Good.
It’s not like you’ve got any skin in that game.
It can’t be a massive wind up on your part, surely?
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October 20, 2016 9:28am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Have you noticed as the election and debates get closer, his mania has become more pronounced? Spraying links all over the place like a mad womans shit.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:38am
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s like obsessive compulsive disorder, asperger’s and torrette’s all rolled into one messy package.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:46am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    You’ve just described the rates dodging, ad hominen attacker and serial spray and walk awayer… Could they be the same person…..?
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:02am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I debated adding “Apologies to Penny” after my last sentence. But I trusted in the wit and wisdom of my fellow commentators to add that themselves.
      
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      October 20, 2016 10:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, spraying links with facts and evidence that ask for a response that you and other Trumpists refuse to oblige !
    
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    October 20, 2016 12:42pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I can’t give you what you want. For one, I very rarely open links that I don’t trust the source of, and I don’t have the time to wade through the screeds of “proof” you link to.
      
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      October 20, 2016 1:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, but you Trust this fellow and his website ?,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTCJh9WuHs
        
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        October 20, 2016 1:54pm
- mara
  
  He’s happily counting his down-ticks. When he hits the magic number he is going to reward himself with another wife.
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:28am
Inandout

If Hillary wins the race, her Presidency will be weighed down by scandals which will surface after the news media has lifted its censorship. The media in general has taken a king hit to its already tattered reputation by sleeping with Hillary. They are businesses and need to make a profit, and will turn on Hillary if they smell a good story. It will indeed be a bumpy ride for Hillary, until she is eventually impeached.
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October 20, 2016 9:35am
- Rich Prick
  
  Which is why, odds on, a vote for Hillary is actually a vote for Kaine. And FWIW, I think he’s even worse than her.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:55am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  What makes you think the (((MSM))) will lift its censorship?
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:04am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Yeah, there’s no way they will. That would further add to the mistrust that people have in them. Expect more cover ups.
    
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    October 20, 2016 10:07am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      I don’t think the mistrust could get any worse – only about 15% or so of US public like MSM or Washington DC.
      
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      October 20, 2016 10:17am
  - Inandout
    
    What does a business do if it is bleeding income – stick with a faulty product and close its doors, or lift sales by providing a worthwhile product? The MSM in America is dying quite rapidly, none more so than newspapers. I would argue that Hillary is a ‘faulty product’.
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:10am
- Ed Snack
  
  No way, the MSM is so in bed with the Clinton campaign and the democrats in general that they will continue shilling for them until they die.
  
  If Clinton wins, as seems likely, she will never, ever, be prosecuted for anything, ever. No matter what the crime.
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:07am
  - Ross12
    
    But Ed she might end with NZ Labour’s problem of retaining staff. Her temper might get in the way
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NfFAaPZqs8&feature=youtu.be
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:44am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack, again for what crime ?
    
    The Outrageously False Charges of Perjury Against Hillary Clinton
    
    https://verdict.justia.com/2016/08/19/outrageously-false-charges-perjury-hillary-clinton
    
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    October 20, 2016 12:44pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She will likely get an Obama pardon for everything up to her election anyway.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:22pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Twitter, like FaceBerg is a Killary propaganda operation:

James O’Keefe ‏@JamesOKeefeIII 14 minutes ago

Power Rangers has 8k tweets right now/ is trending. @PVeritas_Action has over 10 million @twitter impressions today but isn’t trending. Wow.
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October 20, 2016 10:06am
Manolo

A scandal erupts over these “children” invaders:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3851230/KATIE-HOPKINS-kidding-War-hell-doesn-t-turn-Benjamin-Button.html

There are days when I wonder if our country is utterly mad. I wonder if our government, so utterly devoid of a backbone, thinks it can take taxpayers for a joke, mock every hour of every long shift they put in to fund this country.

The so-called ‘child’ migrants from Calais are a perfect example.
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October 20, 2016 10:06am
- Rich Prick
  
  Remind me, just which war or tyranny in France are these “children” fleeing?
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:28am
  - VicParking
    
    The just having to live in France war and tyranny
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:04am
tom hunter

Another home run to make it 3-0 to the Cleveland Indians. They’re on their way to the World Series. Good on them. It’s a 68 year drought in their case.

Back in the mid-90’s they were building a good team that looked terrific. In particular they had three good, young pitchers who looked like they’d be there for a decade.

Then came a plane crash and two of them were gone. And that was that. Pitchers and pitching staffs are hard to build up and retain but they’re crucial. As good as the batters and the rest were, the Indians just faded away after that. Really felt for the poor bastards and their fans.

But they’re back – big time.
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October 20, 2016 10:12am
- Kimbo
  
  Thoughts on how Cubs vs Dodgers (Lackey vs Urias) game 4 will go today?
  
  http://m.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-dodgers/2016/10/19/487627?partnerId=LR_preview#game_tab=preview,game=487627,game_state=preview
  
  After being shut out in the last two games, and with Kershaw likely to pitch for LA in game 6, the Cubs need to start hitting.
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:55am
  - tom hunter
    
    After yesterday – no! That definitely did not go as I expected, on either side of the plate.
    
    If they can hit Arrieta they can hit Lackey, despite his record and experience.
    
    And you’re right about the damned hitters. If they can’t get runs off this Dodger newbie today before he gets pulled in the 5th or 6th inning then it won’t matter how well Lackey pitches.
    
    But I find it hard to believe that an offense as good as the Cubs can get shut down for 27 consecutive innings. Oh well. Outside repair work done and beers are cooling. Let’s go.
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:52am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I’ll be in Chicago at the end of next week. It would be awesome if the Cubs were in the World Series, not that the likelihood of getting a ticket would be high.
      
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      October 20, 2016 12:06pm
    - tom hunter
      
      About fucking time. The middle of the Cubs order finally gets their butts into gear. I like that they started with a perfect bunt from a guy the Dodgers would normally expect to be swinging for the fences. Smart stuff to jump-start the rest of their frigging lineup.
      
      Still, I don’t like that fact the Dodgers are getting regular hits off all the Cub’s pitchers. Clearly the Dodger pitching staff are playing a more subtle game than the Cubs are: throwing a lot of different stuff and keeping the Cubs batters off balance.
      
      But what the hell. Win or lose it’s good to see some runs on the board finally. Another donut loss and I’d have been throwing things at the TV.
      
      So – how’s that shit debate going on the other channels? Is Trumpy stalking Hillary? Has she choked on her bile yet?
      
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      October 20, 2016 2:37pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …and the Cubs lead 5-0, after four and a half innings, while tom hunter sits back and enjoys that beer! 😉
      
      http://m.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-dodgers/2016/10/19/487627?partnerId=LR_gameday#game_tab=gameday,game=487627,game_state=live
      
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      October 20, 2016 3:06pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Damned right.
        
        You know it’s often a funny thing about any sport or team: you’re annoyed if they lose, but what you really hate to see is if they get stomped, especially when you know they’re better than that.
        
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        October 20, 2016 3:09pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Grrrrrr – Lackey. Allows two on base. Still does not want to leave. This has happened to every frigging starting pitcher the Cubs have.
        
        Bases loaded and no outs with the meat of the Dodger’s batting coming up. Crap.
        
        Annnnd they sneaked one past the pitcher’s glove to score two when it could have been a double play!
        
        5-2.
        
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        October 20, 2016 3:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        He he he. You really do expect them to lose, don’t you! 😉
        
        An hour after tom’s faithless missive, the Cubs lead 10-2, halfway through the seventh.
        
        Which means it’s time for the seventh innings stretch….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-gsdLSSQ0
        
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        October 20, 2016 4:26pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Not at 5-2 with their bullpen.
        
        BUT – I am getting pissed off with the supposedly dominant Cubs starting pitchers getting constantly tagged and not looking sharp. That can’t continue either or the Cubs will lose this series. I’m not expecting Clayton Kershaw standards but I certainly think the four starters should have been going all the way through 7 at least, or even 8 – and shutting down the batters.
        
        You can expect the occasional bad ball that gets whacked – but the Dodgers are constantly chipping away and some good hits have only been stopped by excellent Cubs fielding. And then the pitchers are getting pulled and replaced by the bull pen almost as fast the Dodger’s guys are – and the Dodger’s have been doing that by necessity all frigging season.
        
        Grrrrrr.
        
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        October 20, 2016 4:34pm
    - tom hunter
      
      And now it’s Rizzo – finally. Two good contacts on the bat, one huge hit falling foul. Then a called strike – and then BOOM.
      
      Again – about fucking time. The guy had been sitting on a 0.077 batting average in the post-season – compared 0.292 for the season, with 30 home runs and 40 doubles.
      
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      October 20, 2016 3:07pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Glass of Pinor Noir in hand.
    
    Feeling.
    
    No.
    
    Pain.
    
    Ooo – and I see our baseball discussion has been downticked by some sour prick.
    
    Probably a Trump supporter.
    
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    October 20, 2016 5:30pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I assume you mean the boat accident.
  
  But I think not winning in 97 can be explained by being unable to afford to keep Albert Belle, plus just not playing well in the WS.
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:46am
  - tom hunter
    
    It was a boat? Been a long time since I looked into it. That’s what happened to some young pitcher the other day. And this after he’d escaped Cuba. Apparently was quite the genius with the ball.
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:49am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

LOL, Time is running a story by an African In America claiming Trump may enslave negroes if he wins the election:

Why I Fear America Could Enslave Black People Again

http://time.com/4535292/donald-trump-black-slaves/
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October 20, 2016 10:14am
Simon

Paul Ryan UNFAVORABLE opinions among

Clinton voters – 61%
Trump voters – 64%

House Speaker Paul Ryan distanced himself from Trump after the “Access Hollywood” video was broadcast. Trump voters don’t approve. They think it was wrong for GOP leaders to withdraw their support. And they definitely don’t like Ryan (or his Senate counterpart, Mitch McConnell). Trump supporters are more than twice as likely to view Ryan unfavorably as favorably, and are even more negative e towards McConnell.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/19/clinton-maintains-lead-last-debate/

Yep Paul Ryan GOPe turd.
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October 20, 2016 10:27am
- tom hunter
  
  Yawn
  
  A few months ago Paul Ryan crushed his GOP primary opponent (a Trump screamer), winning 84% of the vote. He’ll be back in power.
  
  A winner. 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:31am
Jack5

Ryan is an Ayn Rand fanatic.

Most of us grow out of that before we are in our 20’s.

Would he appeal to those in the middle?
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October 20, 2016 10:46am
- dime
  
  most people lack vision and the ability to be a net contributor to society nowadays too.
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:58am
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    Dime, are you suggesting Rand followers have more vision than others, and contribute more?
    
    Members of the old Zap cult in Christchurch were enthusiasts for Rand, but as I recall their vision wasn’t great, and some of them contributed chaos rather than benefits to society.
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:50am
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      some of those Zap guys were fucking evil – collaborating to fuck over people who joined by worming their way into management positions of their businesses and then using their control to appropriate all their assets.
      
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      October 20, 2016 9:28pm
- Manolo
  
  I’m 100% sure Ayn Rand would disown the traitorous bastard Paul Ryan.
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:07am
LisaGinNZ

About all the “pro” Hillary polls? Yeah, complete bullox…. one example from CTH here:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/19/about-that-pro-clinton-arizona-polling-narrative/

“Yes, that’s correct. As unbelievable as it might sound, they used a D+34 Sample.

Republicans represented 24% of those polled.
Democrats represented 58% of those polled.
Independents represented 19% of those polled.

In order to get the poll to show Hillary Clinton with a 5 point lead, they needed to survey more than twice as many Democrats as Republicans. (Poll Data Here) This is so far over-the-top, it goes to show how far the media are willing to go in their efforts to retain the ruse.

That’s also how one media outlet can intentionally facilitate the entire MSM narrative.”
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October 20, 2016 10:56am
Manolo

Helping the crook:
http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/10/18/michael-moore-in-surprise-movie-hate-hillary-vote-for-her-anyway
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October 20, 2016 10:59am
Im Right

On an entirely different note…isn’t it like a breath of fresh air that Penny Bright & Griff have stopped polluting this blog with their posts/thoughts/conspiracy theories!….now if only our resident hater of homosexuals/women/The West would give up, what a lovely start to summer that would be 🙂
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October 20, 2016 11:05am
Fletch

Another woman gives an interview, telling of her sexual abuse by Bill Clinton. She was a reporter back in the 1990s. She claims he humped her from behind (while she was fully clothed in an editing chair) until he satisfied himself and left.

“And he came in behind me. Started hunching me to the point that he had an orgasm. He’s trying to touch my breasts. And I’m just sitting there very stiffly, just waiting for him to leave me alone. And I’m asking him the whole time, ‘Please do not do this. Do not touch me. Do not hunch me. I do not want this.’

“And he finished doing what he was doing and he walked out.”

“He took out his private parts?” I asked.

“I do not know,” Millwee replied. “I did not see that. I could feel what he was doing from behind me. I do not know if he had taken, you know, private parts out. Or if he was doing it. I assumed he was doing it through material but I could be wrong.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNK4ekl-Bas

The guy is just… sick. That is something a dog does – humps your leg.
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October 20, 2016 11:17am
- Rich Prick
  
  If Hillary wins, Bill can’t be the “First Gentleman”. Any suggestions?
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:35am
  - tom hunter
    
    Genital cuffs?
    
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    October 20, 2016 11:38am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    First Eunuch would probably have almost unanimous support of Americans and the Potus.
    
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    October 21, 2016 12:57am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , but of course Donald Trump’s sexual abuse / groping is all forgiven by his present wife . Not sure about those other wives that were a part of his harem ?.
  
  http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.748180
  
  Ideas ?
  
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  October 20, 2016 11:58am
Manolo

For all to see. What will our own stephieboy say about it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3852710/Clinton-campaign-contractor-caught-voter-fraud-video-sting-felon-visited-White-House-342-times-including-meeting-OVAL-OFFICE-Obama-s-spokesman-won-t-defend-him.html

A convicted felon caught up in a pair of stinging political exposés has visited the Obama White House 342 times, according to the administration’s records, including several visits to the Obama family’s residence and one, in October of last year, to the Oval Office.

Robert Creamer was caught on one hidden-camera video discussing ways to commit large-scale voter fraud, and talking in another about paying liberal activists to start fights and otherwise disrupt Donald Trump rallies.

Democracy Partners, the community organising firm that until Tuesday employed Creamer, works hand-in-hand with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
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October 20, 2016 12:12pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Note: 42 of those visits were personal to visit Obama.
  
  I wonder what that smell is that can be detected wafting around the Democrat campaign. Surely they haven’t let another bus take a dump on a public street ?
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:37pm
Don the Kiwi

Interesting take on US voter fraud.

George Will despises Donald Trump and left the Republican Party after his nomination. However, he believes that Trump has a point about rigged elections:

GEORGE WILL: When Mr. Trump talks about it being rigged, he sweeps all his grievances into one big puddle. He talked about the media. He talked about the primaries. He talked about the polls. Talked about the Republican National Committee. I think when most persons hear that an election is rigged, they think of government action to rig the election. And there Mr. Trump has a point if he would just make it more clearly.

It is hard to think of an innocent reason why Democrats spend so much time, energy and money, scarce resources all, resisting attempts to purge the voter rolls, that is to remove people who are dead or otherwise have left the jurisdiction. It’s hard to think of an innocent reason why they fight so tremendously against Voter I.D. laws. They say, well that burdens the exercise of a fundamental right. The Supreme Court has said that travel is a fundamental right and no one thinks that showing an I.D. at the airport burdens that fundamental right.

We know — we don’t surmise — we know that the 2010, ’12 and ’14 elections were rigged by the most intrusive and potentially punitive institution of the federal government, the IRS. You can read all about it in Kim Strassel’s book Intimidation Game. She’s familiar to all Wall Street Journal readers and FOX viewers. This is not a surmise. I have talked to lawyers in a position to know they say it’s still going on. The IRS is still intolerantly delaying the granting of tax exempt to conservative advocacy groups to skew the persuasion of this campaign.
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October 20, 2016 12:13pm
- Ross12
  
  Don
  
  Even Obama questioned the voting process in earlier campaigns
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/19/five-times-obama-presidential-candidate-questioned-validity-election-process/
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:55pm
reversespin

Does anyone know where we can watch the 3rd debate live online?
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October 20, 2016 12:23pm
- Manolo
  
  Here: http://www.foxnews.com/live-coverage/presidential-debate-coverage-2016
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:25pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  BBC news
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:46pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Duke, channel 13 on Freeview
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:58pm
- mikenmild
  
  It’s on Duke at 2.00pm
  
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  October 20, 2016 1:04pm
starboard

**News**

Tostee not guilty…walks.

Well, that’s what should happen..
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October 20, 2016 12:30pm
- sooty
  
  Murder, was a bit much maybe. Should have been manslaughter, or some thing.
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:44pm
- Ole Bill Mole
  
  preferably off a high balcony……
  
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  October 20, 2016 1:26pm
- Sideoiler
  
  Tostee not guilty…walks.
  
  He should never have been charged in the first place.
  
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  October 20, 2016 2:08pm
Manolo

Disliked by her security people for treating them like dirt:
http://nypost.com/2016/10/19/hillary-clintons-security-detail-laughed-when-she-broke-her-elbow/

Hillary Clinton’s security detail hated her so much that they privately snickered after she accidentally fell and broke her arm when she was secretary of state in 2009, one of her former guards told the Post.
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October 20, 2016 12:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, of course, NY Post sleaze ( re Nude photos of Melania Trump ) doesn’t name their source /
  
  Wonder if it could be the deluded Gary Byrne the one who claimed Hillary was trying to organise a hit on him ?
  
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  October 20, 2016 12:55pm
RF

Hagley Park in Christchurch is living up to its reputation of being a dangerous place.

Yesterday a school girl in the park was raped by a male described as a Maori.

Let’s be careful out there.
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October 20, 2016 1:22pm
- stigie
  
  And i thought Hagley Park was only for homosexuals RF..?
  
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  October 20, 2016 5:03pm
wiseowl

Clinton’s arrived.
She is wearing white.
I am so excited!
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October 20, 2016 1:46pm
SPC

This one starts on the Supreme Court appointments and related politics.

Traditional division on Gun rights.
Roe v Wade (Trump says he wants to use appointments to over-turn Roe v Wade and send the issue back to the states to determine whether they would be legal there).

Now onto immigration.
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October 20, 2016 2:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  SPC , surprise , surprise Trump’s voice of “sanity” in attendance , Sarah Palin !
  
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  October 20, 2016 3:33pm
- SPC
  
  Trump – economic policy, gonna create huuuuuuge growth, like China and India …
  
  Trump – foreign policy, they created IS (blaming Obama and Clinton for the honouring the deal of Bush with Iraq to withdraw forces), fighting to take Mosul from IS helps Iran (questioning helping the Iraq government take back the north of the country), questioning warning IS about the attack on Mosul (as if concerned about the tactics of a what he claims is the wrong strategy).
  
  Clinton – given an opening to call him inconsistent misses the op, and also fails to explain that the reason to warn IS is to encourage fighters to leave so it does not become an Aleppo.
  
  Trump, repeal and replace Obamacare.
  
  Clinton, will huuuuge tax cut Trump fund Social Security and Medicare? Fails to ask what Trump would replace Obamacare with.
  
  Post match analysis first focus is on accepting the results of the election, and earlier debate on this. Second is on Trump refusing to believe multiple government intelligence agency position on Russia doing the hacking.
  
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  October 20, 2016 3:38pm
Manolo

How many of these would stephieboy like to bring to Mt Roskill, Auckland NZ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3853830/How-child-migrants-straining-care-British-children-paying-price.html

Their stories seemed especially pertinent this week when I saw those pictures of ‘child’ migrants arriving at the immigration registration centre in Croydon, fresh off a coach from the Calais Jungle.

They had all claimed to be under 18, yet most looked considerably older, with facial hair, muscular physiques and an adult look to their faces.
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October 20, 2016 2:27pm
RF

Great debate..

Trump nailed it…..
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October 20, 2016 3:40pm
tom hunter

Between innings I’ve checked up on a guy who’s drunk-blogging the debate and I love the truth of this comment.

STEPHEN GREEN
Next topic: Entitlements.

I can preview this one for you before anyone says a word: They’re both in denial, just like 90% of the country.

90%? More like 95%.

Oh well. That seems to be how democracies roll. It has to turn totally to shit before anybody does anything.
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October 20, 2016 3:42pm
Inandout

Good God, some caller said Duncan Garner was a communist because he was rooting for Hillary. He was quickly cut off.
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October 20, 2016 3:46pm
- Lance
  
  Yep
  The fucked up thinkers are speaking forth like never before.
  
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  October 20, 2016 3:48pm
SPC

Meanwhile in another debate, the Chicago cubs put some starch into the wood and “flat track bully” the Dodgers b’pitchers
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October 20, 2016 3:53pm
- tom hunter
  
  Fuckin’ A. 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2016 4:04pm
Fletch

I only watched the beginning of the debate, but I did see Hillary defending partial-birth abortion. She pulled the victim card (a usual tactic of the Left), and said that women often have troubles at the end of their pregnancies, and “women have talked to her” about the heartbreak of having to abort their babies near the end.

Clinton was best at what she does – lying.
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October 20, 2016 4:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  Believe it or not, Fletch, but there are medical conditions which arise that mean a late-term abortion is essential to save the life of the mother.
  
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  October 20, 2016 4:49pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Bullshit, mikey.
    
    Ever hear of C section?
    
    FFS!
    
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    October 20, 2016 5:35pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not so sure about that, Don. But I do think that it is unlikely that any woman would wait till late pregnancy for an abortion if the baby was not wanted. Late-term abortions can be medically necessary when something has gone badly wrong with the development of the baby or the health of the mother.
      
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      October 20, 2016 5:42pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        So how many babies have you fathered, mikey?
        My daughter, and one of my daughters-in-law had difficult pregnancies. Both had to have C section deliveries – one at one week before birth, the other at five weeks before.
        
        Thers is never an excuse for late term abortion – NEVER!!!
        
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        October 20, 2016 5:46pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Is that your medical opinion?
        
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        October 20, 2016 6:05pm
- mikenmild
  
  Re the rest of the debate – you didn’t miss much. Not as lively as the 2nd debate.
  Trump’s gibberish versus Clinton’s platitudes.
  The debate won’t have changed many voters’ minds, except maybe for those shocked by Trump refusing to declare he would accept an election defeat.
  
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  October 20, 2016 4:52pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Agree, but with the proviso that Trump did perform better than previously, and had Hillary on the back foot on a few occasions.
    He missed many opportunities, and allowed Hillary to slip back into her practiced bullet points.
    No winner.
    
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    October 20, 2016 5:49pm
mikenmild

Other high points in the debate:
Trump said “bigly” again! Twice!
The audience laughing after Trump said “Nobody has more respect for women than I do.”
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October 20, 2016 4:54pm
- dad4justice
  
  I think Trump has more respect for women than Killery’s husband.
  
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  October 20, 2016 5:02pm
  - jms
    
    You’re probably right. But he’s not running against Bill, he’s running against Hillary.
    
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    October 20, 2016 5:05pm
    - dad4justice
      
      The Clinton side show act are just puppets of corruption.
      Kill Bill part two. Poor Yanks.
      
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      October 20, 2016 5:07pm
  - stigie
    
    I did not have sex with that women Dad !~
    
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    October 20, 2016 5:06pm
Manolo

These crooks that try to pass for children are taking the piss, the money and enjoying British hospitality:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3853924/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-proof-age-really-ask.html
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October 20, 2016 5:05pm
- SPC
  
  And there is this.
  
  Now the aged kids are in the UK, Home Office sources say to the BBC that it is extremely unlikely any would then be returned to Calais as they would be able to claim asylum in the UK regardless of the age.
  
  The UK said they would take as many kids from Calais as possible to protect them. Altruism cynically and easily exploited by liars.
  
  Western nations which accept asylum claims from those who lie or who enter the country illegally are asking for what they get, liars and those comfortable networking with crims to gain entry illegally.
  
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  October 20, 2016 5:13pm
Fletch

Thomas Sowell tweet during the debate –

“The road to despotism is paved with ‘fairness.’”

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/788921708891676672
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October 20, 2016 5:39pm
Reid

Who is more evil: Obama or Killary?

https://i.imgflip.com/17lhw7.jpg
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October 20, 2016 5:45pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Hillary – Obama is too stupid. 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2016 5:51pm
tom hunter

Hey Hillary supporters – if you vote for her, Madonna will give you a blowjob!

Alright. Step up Stephieboi, you know you’ll want that 58 year old tongue sliding around your knob. Better than an ample 15 year old Muslim breast in St Lukes shopping mall.

Amiright?
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October 20, 2016 5:57pm
- nasska
  
  ….”an ample 15 year old Muslim breast”…..
  
  I understand that the followers of Allah prefer them nine years old & flat.
  
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  October 20, 2016 6:14pm
  - stigie
    
    I would imagine the 72 virgins would be about that age Nasska..?
    
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    October 20, 2016 6:27pm
    - nasska
      
      I reckon the only group of virgins left are male war gamers stigie. The Allahaddled may not want what they get. 🙂
      
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      October 20, 2016 6:31pm
  - Manolo
    
    We need to consult with stephieboy about Muslim preferences. Are you there, mate?
    
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    October 20, 2016 7:44pm
- tom hunter
  
  So this is just…:
  
  Yeah. If you vote for someone who routinely violated diplomatic protocol, spilled classified information, lied about it, and whom diplomatic security agents apparently avoided like a flaming case of the herp, to run this country, you will get a blow job from a 58-year-old, dried up hooker.
  
  Oh, and she’ll swallow! There’s incentive for you!
  
  Anyone else want to vomit in their own mouths?
  
  Seriously, do you want to look down and see THAT with your trouser snake in its mouth? She’s past cougar and into perhaps vulture. She’ll swallow, alright. And later she’ll vomit your giblets back up to feed her offspring in their nest!
  
  … brutal.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:07pm
  - stigie
    
    Of course, sordid photos would help with your dilemma Tom..?
    
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    October 20, 2016 7:23pm
Fletch

Just heard Jame Tame on One News talking about the “history of right-wing militia” in the U.S. I beg your pardon? What a load of shit. KKK, anyone? The little boy speaks from ignorance.
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October 20, 2016 6:06pm
mikenmild

More inspired dialogue from the presidential debate:
TRUMP: Putin, from everything I see, has no respect for this person.
CLINTON: Well, that’s because he would rather have a puppet as president.
TRUMP: No puppet, no puppet.
CLINTON: It’s clear.
TRUMP: You’re the puppet.
CLINTON: It’s pretty clear you won’t admit …
TRUMP: You’re the puppet.
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October 20, 2016 6:26pm
- SPC
  
  They are discussing muppets/false prophets (called frogs in the bible and they come in threes apparently), Kermit is on his third millennium miss piggy, Melania.
  
  Pity his first wife was not there besides Bill, she once accused Trump of raping her. Would Melania accuse the mother of the children of lying in a sworn statement?
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:30pm
- SPC
  
  As they say if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. First the muppet puppets take Manhattan, then it is on to the White House.
  
  James Carville (Bill Clinton era), dated a Republican, just so he could take her into the White House and do her there.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:39pm
starboard

BREAKING NEWS !!!

Tostee walks free…fantastic !

He should never have been charged. She was a violent drunken nutcase.
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October 20, 2016 6:30pm
- nasska
  
  I guess there’s a lesson to be learned here starboard. If you put your woman out on the balcony for ‘time out’ then tether her to the railings in case she loses the plot & jumps.
  
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  October 20, 2016 6:40pm
  - SPC
    
    The court heard a recording Tostee made on the night Ms Wright fell to her death, in which he is heard saying: “You are lucky I haven’t chucked you off my balcony you goddamn psycho little bitch.”
    
    Then he locks her out on the balcony so she cannot go home, because she “deserves it” “to be punished” first.
    
    “Just let me go home, just let me go home,” Ms Wright said in the recording.
    “I would but you’ve been a bad girl,” Tostee replied.
    
    But sure tethering her like a horse to be broken to his will was what he was doing, with the implied threat to throw her off the balcony in her head.
    
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    October 20, 2016 7:05pm
    - starboard
      
      ” implied threat to throw her off the balcony in her head”
      
      Obviously that’s only in your head as the jury, which had access to all the evidence, thought otherwise.
      
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      October 20, 2016 7:17pm
      - SPC
        
        “You are lucky I haven’t chucked you off my balcony you goddamn psycho little bitch.”
        
        If he then locks her out on the balcony, that is an implied threat.
        
        Which is why the jury was out 4 days.
        
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        October 20, 2016 7:20pm
- SPC
  
  Oh he deserved to be charged alright.
  
  He was lucky he had a sympathetic judge and there was no charge of taking her hostage.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:09pm
  - nasska
    
    I’d go along with you there SPC. There wouldn’t have been much of a defence to be offered to something like unlawful restraint or maybe kidnapping but the prosecutor must have been off the wall to proceed with murder.
    
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    October 20, 2016 7:32pm
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      Sure, the recording sort of killed off the murder charge as it were, they should have then gone for manslaughter and the fall back of kidnapping/taking someone hostage.
      
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      October 20, 2016 7:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Possibly should never have been charged, but this was the result of two dysfunctional drunken bogans attempting to hook up.
  There was never going to be a winner.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:30pm
- SPC
  
  Better hope some ladyboy does not do you in and get away with it because you were a …….
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:00pm
  - starboard
    
    You’re not making any sense..put the meths down and try again..
    Tostee’s free as he should be..case closed..good evening.
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:22pm
    - SPC
      
      And let’s not forget Tostee supplied her with dubious alcohol at his place.
      
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      October 20, 2016 9:35pm
starboard

If I was Tostee and she started nutting off in my apartment, biffing shit around, attacking me, I would of thrown her out the front door..but I don’t make a habit of picking up drunk maori nutters.
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October 20, 2016 6:59pm
- SPC
  
  Only want white nutters, and only nutters will have you?
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:22pm
- sam green
  
  Big time creep starboard!
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:39pm
- SPC
  
  I agree that showing her the front door is what most reasonable people would have done, which is why he stood trial.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:43pm
EAD

I came across this comment today and thought it worth sharing

IF GERMANY WON WORLD WAR 2

1 – No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign – read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn on this; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, although taking part of its Western region for lebensraum, “living space”)

2 – No cold war (because there would be no USSR)

3 – No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism as part of Stalin’s spoils of war)

4 – No Red China and Mao’s subsequent killing of 40 – 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao’s Communists which ultimately led to Mao’s victory over Chiang Kai-shek’s Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

5 – No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

6 – No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot’s slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

7 – No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the Allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist… another of Stalin’s spoils of war)

8 – No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950’s?)

9 – No Communism anywhere (Hitler was the world’s most fervent anti-Communist)

10 – Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn’t dominate Western ethos to the extent they do today (both are Jewish creations as acknowledged by VP Joe Biden)

11 – No Cultural Marxism and no political correctness (these are social engineering “tools” which came out of the Jewish think tank known as the Frankfurt School)

12 – No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn’t be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for liberal Western immigration policy/laws, as all were orchestrated by a consortium consisting of the World Jewish Congress, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, and B’nai B’rith)

13 – No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn’t run Hollywood)

14 – No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of “Freedom of Speech”)

15 – There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called “separation of church and state,” something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)

16 – No radical feminism (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)

17 – No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians

18 – Jews would be living in Madagascar (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored (Madagascar was one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland)

EDIT:

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– No girls across Britain and Europe being enslaved into Muslim rape gangs.

– No relentless Negro-White inter-racial propaganda.

– No cities turning into low IQ Congoid-European human zoos

– The profits made by central banks called inflation would go into the Treasury for the good of the people instead of into a tiny cables hands for world domination.

Here is a youtube video on the “alternative” view of WWII that the MSM doesn’t present to you::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vekf_2952U
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October 20, 2016 7:19pm
- SPC
  
  I knew you had white race religion in you, about time you come out hard and strong.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:27pm
- sam green
  
  You are very scary EAD.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:42pm
- SGA
  
  EAD
  
  Here is a youtube video on the “alternative” view of WWII that the MSM doesn’t present to you::
  
  That damn MSM – is there anything evil it hasn’t done.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:45pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bizarre in the extreme. If that had actually happened your name would be Klaus.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:47pm
- SPC
  
  So the loss of democracy in the UK and USA, and Japanese rule over east Asia and the South Pacific is fine with you as an acceptable price to have Jews eliminated from areas where there are white people (commies only really survive in China and in name only by the way), and women kept in their place under the white man.
  
  Trumpanzee/Trumpeesta (is Henry Makow of savethe(poor whiterace)males.com your prophet).
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:50pm
- tom hunter
  
  Don’t take this personally EAD, but I’m very much looking forward to finding you burning alive in ditch so that I can have the pleasure of not pissing on you. 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:44pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Can you image would have happened if the Nazis had implemented Generalplan Ost?
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:46pm
RF

I have been watching the US debates and the interesting emails released by Wikileaks. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to realise that the media is very powerful and can influence the great unwashed. It’s obvious that Hillary has the media in her pocket as they ignore any news that could be harmful to her. I question the source of our own NZ media releases from overseas as I suspect that they are at times being provided with a load of sanitised shit.

It’s quite scary being fed propaganda. This is 1940s stuff.
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October 20, 2016 7:41pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, the media have all but ignored the Podesta/Hillary Wikileaks stuff. If it had been stuff critical of Trump that also uncovered him saying one thing in public and other things in private, then the media would have been all over it.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:52pm
  - SPC
    
    They had no need, Trump’s public positions keep changing.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:49pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  RF
  
  Our TV news get their videos etc. straight from CNN – Clinton News Network.
  
  Just check the number of CNN executives who are married/partnered to Democrat people involved in the Hillary campaign.
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:53pm
  - SPC
    
    When Fox came to the right, CNN moved to the left.
    
    If Trump builds a new network, Fox will move to the centre.
    
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    October 20, 2016 7:56pm
  - RF
    
    Don. Thank you. Just as I suspected. If the crook gets in god help America.
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:25pm
- Reid
  
  You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to realise that the media is very powerful and can influence the great unwashed.
  
  They influence people who understand nothing about politics all the time RF and have done for years, decades and centuries. The people behind Lincoln to take an ancient example and JFK for more recent. Their silence on what the Fed is for an economic example. The October surprise from Bush 41 when the hostages were released, Norieaga and Panama, ISIS, Syria, Russia, South China sea, Iraq, Iran, 911, to take a mere few geopolitical examples of precisely what they’re doing now.
  
  Same tactics, different arenas.
  
  Sad really they get away so easily with it not just with beer swilling morons but very “sophisticated” politicos, when finding the truth with the new Gutenberg Press is very elementary. All it takes is an open mind but that, evidently, is an extremely rare commodity
  
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  October 20, 2016 7:56pm
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    Reid
    
    ?
    
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    October 20, 2016 8:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Exactly, WW2 stuff.
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6b/de/a1/6bdea13708f41812ac4c145510c3ea31.jpg
  
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  October 20, 2016 10:25pm
Jack5

What novelist Kurt Vonnegut thought of Nobel Prize winner Bob Dylan as a poet:

http://pagesix.com/2016/10/19/kurt-vonnegut-once-called-bob-dylan-the-worst-poet-alive/?_ga=1.243589314.634118775.1475886819
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October 20, 2016 7:58pm
- Reid
  
  He was also a plagiarist Jack. One theory is they only gave it to him to shame Obongo into living up to his. Don’t quite understand the logic myself but one thing’s for sure, giving it to Obongo has for the foreseeable future tainted the credibility of that once coveted and respected prize and now giving it to a lightweight plagiarist who stole his only mildly decent lines anyway, simply compounds their error.
  
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  October 20, 2016 8:09pm
Manolo

The aging philanderer has asked for a busty blonde in order to provide the requested DNA sample:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/clintons-black-son-demands-dna-sample/

In the hours before the third and final presidential debate, attorneys for Danney Williams, the 30-year-old who has for decades claimed to be the black son of Bill Clinton, were in Las Vegas to announce their intention to file a paternity suit demanding DNA evidence from the former president.
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October 20, 2016 8:01pm
- Fletch
  
  I guess they could just scrape it from Monica’s infamous blue dress.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:45pm
Happychappy

I see the Marlborough Labour Party are having their 100 year Celebration this weekend and Andrew Little will be arriving on Friday.So to go to this occasion we are charging $25.00 per head for employed people and $15.00 per head for anyone else.Who in there right mind would pay that money to listen to a ex union hack speak when you would get better value giving it to charity
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October 20, 2016 8:08pm
Reid

e.g. of what people who understand nothing about politics don’t already know about the media…

Following an email exchange with Sputnik reporter Bill Moran, Newsweek’s Kurt Eichenwald accidentally exposed that Intelligence services and the US government control the Western media and that journalists have their lives threatened to misinform the public.

In the last few years, no Western media outlet has been more bombastic and seemingly Russophobic than Newsweek. For people around the world who hold a dissenting thought over US hegemony, this magazine flies in their faces every day.

Two Sputnik International reporters have just opened a Pandora’s box on our media establishment. A Newsweek reporter is now in the frying pan over dropping the dime on US intelligence’s role in public media and the presidential election.

When a young Sputnik writer and editor recently fell for a doctored screenshot from the WikiLeaks release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails, one of Newsweek’s reporters jumped at the opportunity to not only condemn Sputnik but to roll presidential hopeful Donald Trump into a great-big-lie.

The short version of this part of the story is Sputnik’s Bill Moran jumped at what he thought was a scoop and published an article based on a misattribution.

What happened next has led to a de-cloaking of who is behind Western media propaganda: none other than our friendly US intelligence services!

…Eichenwald wrote to Moran:

“You need to ask yourself — how does someone like me who is deeply wired into the intelligence community know so fast that you had posted this? It’s not like I was sitting around reading Sputnik. Others are though, and they are not reading it 24-hours a day in real time for the purpose of keeping abreast of the news.”

The Newsweek writer and Vanity Fair editor went on to tell Moran of his

“colleagues being blistered with claims of treason, physical threats, and pictures of dead children sent to them”

and of how ordinary journalists now live in fear.

The Sputnik revelations uncover a corrupt system of control we’ve begun slowly to discover these last three years. Sources I cannot name at other major media have alluded to this coercive strategy as well…

http://theduran.com/newsweek-journalist-confirms-that-the-us-government-controls-mainstream-media/
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October 20, 2016 8:20pm
- Reid
  
  To the (so far) three downtickers and others who also understand nothing about politics:
  
  Get a clue.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:10pm
KevinH

The AB’s are in Auckland tonight chilling before the test on Saturday.
They were spotted at Skycity having a couple of quiet ones and all looked healthy and relaxed.
Kieran had a beaming smile and the lads were noticeably bright and cherry,
Pity the Aussies on Saturday night, naturally I”m backing the AB’s by 30+, and that’s at half-time.
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October 20, 2016 9:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

Five lost tosses in a row.
Do the Indians use double-sided coins?
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October 20, 2016 9:02pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Normal service continues. Guptill out for second ball duck.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:16pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Thanks Mainwaring. I’d managed to forget about cricket in India. Until you reminded me.
    
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    October 20, 2016 9:19pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Sorry to ruin your evening davinci.
      
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      October 20, 2016 9:22pm
- SPC
  
  Na, the blackcaps still use the same probability expert they used when McCullum was captain.
  
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  October 20, 2016 9:43pm
Manolo

ISIS in Indonesia:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-20/suspected-is-inspired-sympathiser-stabs-indonesian-policemen/7951286

An Indonesian man who attacked police with a machete on the outskirts of Jakarta this morning has died from gunshot wounds.
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October 20, 2016 9:06pm
RF

Watching Cunners sounding off in the house to night. Lots of noise with fuck all substance. But far better that Angry.

I bet Labour are screaming.
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October 20, 2016 9:30pm
rangitoto

A good video from the Kurdish news agency Rudaw on the battle for Mosul.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/201020161
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October 20, 2016 11:09pm
Manolo

This leopard will never change:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/19/address-that-chris-wallace-grills-hillary-on-clinton-foundation-corruption-video/
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