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Manolo

Google in bed with the crook?
http://freebeacon.com/politics/podesta-linked-googles-executive-chairman-cheryl-mills-robby-mook/

Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta facilitated meetings between Eric Schmidt, the executive chairman of Alphabet, the parent company of Google, and key Clinton players Robby Mook and Cheryl Mills in 2014, according to hacked emails released by WikiLeaks.

Schmidt also quietly funds a data company that provides services to the Clinton campaign.
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October 15, 2016 8:04am
- Simon
  
  In bed with Bill the rapist.
  
  Its Trump & the people vs Capitol Hill.
  
  MSM & big corporations like Google are mere extensions of the Clinton campaign. They paper over for Bill the rapist.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:12am
  - peterwn
    
    Bill is not standing for President.
    
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    October 15, 2016 8:34am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      What a naive thing to say – to imagine that Bill is not a very big part of the Hillary equation is just silly. Who was it that perfectly timed (by holding his flight up for 45 minutes) a meeting with the A-G just at the right time to talk about the “grandkids” (code for “FFS don’t let the FBI do their jobs and prosectute Hillary”).
      
      And Hill’s enablement of Bill’s sexual predation makes Trump’s locker-room comments seem hypocritical as a point of attack.
      
      Bill and Hill is the deal with Bill being the senior partner (after all people actually liked him and he actually had some political skills even if he beat down a generation of black lives through his war on drugs policy).
      
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      October 15, 2016 8:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        DifferentPerspective ,
        
        Oh, I see a different standard for the Clintons but a different and lower one for Trump ?
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:02am
      - Fletch
        
        There is no lower standard than the Clintons.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        There is no lower standard than the Clintons.
        
        Oh, come on! Are you showing your Catholic bias? The Kennedys are appalling, way worse, and have been around a lot longer than the Clintons.
        
        Habitual womanising that jeopradised national security, using IRS tax audits to intimidate opponents (RFK), continually on drugs (JFK) or drunk (Teddy).
        
        But at least Teddy Kennedy was always a gentleman and ever-prepared to drive a girl home- even if it drove off the Chappaquidick bridge 😉
        
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        October 15, 2016 11:06am
      - RF
        
        Bill will be there boots and all. God help America.
        
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        October 15, 2016 3:40pm
    - KevinH
      
      Bill plays a pivotal supporting role to Hillary’s ambition to be POTUS.
      It’s a chalk and cheese scenario whereby Bill plays the statesman communicator role to Hillary’s flinty persona.
      Leaked emails from Wiki leaks post a story that the Dems were worried that Hillary lacked charisma and that Bill could add some razzmatazz by being around.
      After the debates Bill gets on stage and presses the flesh while Hillary beats a hasty retreat after doing a couple of selfies.
      I have no doubt that Bill will be working hard if Hillary wins, he will do a lot of media and perhaps international affairs as an ambassador.
      
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      October 15, 2016 9:44am
      - GoVege
        
        Can’t wait!
        
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        October 15, 2016 12:13pm
      - Twinkletoes
        
        Should be sent to Aleppo as Ambassador for the Levant. Could have four legal wives to keep him busy and out of harm’s way!
        
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        October 15, 2016 12:44pm
    - deadrightkev
      
      Duh Homer. Who is he married to that enabled his gross behavior for decades, protected him and who targeted the victims of his crimes?
      
      The only reason Hilary Clinton is standing and not behind bars is because the owned media has not exposed the long line of scandals.
      
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      October 15, 2016 2:27pm
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Bill is not standing for President.
      
      No. Just for First Lady.
      
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      October 15, 2016 3:07pm
- cmm
  
  Well she needs to be in bed with someone. She isn’t getting any from Bill – he’s always out tomcatting.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Even viagra has its limitations . . .
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:30am
EAD

Trumps speech last night at West Palm Beach was incredible.

He has gone right over the top of the MSM and appealed directly to the people. He is told the American some extraordinary home truths telling them exactly what is going on in the country they call home.

I won’t post the full version (it’s 50 mins) but here is a great internet mockup of 2.20min done with imagery of “Bane” and his famous revolutionary speech in Batman ~ The Dark Knight Rises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmIgBQ6oSCM

A small excerpt:

This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged. This is reality, you know it, they know it, I know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it. The establishment and their media enablers will control over this nation through means that are very well known. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe, and morally deformed.

They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and your family, they will seek to destroy everything about you, including your reputation. They will lie, lie, lie, and then again they will do worse than that, they will do whatever is necessary. The Clintons are criminals, remember that. They’re criminals.

As expected, there is zero coverage in our MSM of the speech (instead focusing on Trumps “sexism”) but the average punter would do well to take on board and digest what Trump is saying to them. If this speech doesn’t win it for Trump, I fear the American Republic is doomed.
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October 15, 2016 8:06am
- EAD
  
  More from Trumps speech:
  
  I’ve seen first hand the corruption and the sickness that has taken over our politics. You’ve seen it and I’ve seen it and we’re all watching together.
  
  They knew they would throw every lie they could at me and my family and my loved ones. They knew they would stop at nothing to try to stop me. But I never knew, as bad as it would be, I never knew it would be this vile, that it would be this bad, that it would be this vicious.
  
  Nevertheless, I take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you. I take them for our movement so that we can have our country back.
  
  Our great civilization, here in America and across the civilized world has come upon a moment of reckoning. We’ve seen it in the United Kingdom, where they voted to liberate themselves from global government and global trade deal, and global immigration deals that have destroyed their sovereignty and have destroyed many of those nations. But, the central base of world political power is right here in America, and it is our corrupt political establishment that is the greatest power behind the efforts at radical globalization and the disenfranchisement of working people. Their financial resources are virtually unlimited, their political resources are unlimited, their media resources are unmatched, and most importantly, the depths of their immorality is absolutely unlimited.
  
  Just like “Brexit” or “3rd world immigration”, “climate change”, “evil Russia” and so on and so forth, it’s just incredible how when push comes to shove, all the monied interests and the MSM lapdogs propogandasise with one voice and shrill hysterics to anyone that questions the dogma. All shades if impartiality disappear.
  
  He continues
  
  This is our moment of reckoning as a society and as a civilization itself. I didn’t need to do this, folks, believe me — believe me. I built a great company, and I had a wonderful life. I could have enjoyed the fruits and benefits of years of successful business deals and businesses for myself and my family. Instead of going through this absolute horror show of lies, deceptions, malicious attacks — who would have thought? I’m doing it because this country has given me so much, and I feel so strongly that it’s my turn to give back to the country that I love.
  
  Indeed – whatever you think of Trump, he could have settled for any easy life but he decided he wanted more and threw himself into the race knowing the sewerage pit that is the American MSM. Contrast this with the money-grubbing Clinton$ who seem like they will sell their grandmother for a buck.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:29am
  - Ross12
    
    EAD
    
    I agree with your comments on that speech.
    All along my own view has been I want Trump to win, not because of him personally, but because there is dire need for change and only an “outsider” can do that. Even if he only lasts one term and achieve 3 or 4 significant changes , that would be enough to turn the tide.
    Having said I think it will be a miracle if he gets in, now that I’ve seen via the wikileaks emails what actually has been going on, but I think could turnout to be an election that could, in the long run be one that is better to lose. Will the massive financial upheaval that is coming down the pipe you know who will have to take the blame.
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:02am
    - wiseowl
      
      Sadly and seriously this country is infected by the same disease .
      Americans are waking up to what is going on but here I talk to friends who are all too busy making a dollar and running businesses to catch up on the rot that is slowly killing off the fine land and people we one had.
      Hope he doesn’t lose Ross because the other option means we are doomed.
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:12am
      - deadrightkev
        
        Wiseowl
        
        Hear hear
        
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        October 16, 2016 3:56pm
  - tom hunter
    
    More examples of piss-poor management by Trump. This report just out, shows that Trump refused to allow his own campaign team to do so-called “oppo” research on him.
    
    “Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s first campaign manager, requested that Trump submit himself to a forensic evaluation that is traditional for any public figure seeking office, according to people granted anonymity to speak freely about the campaign’s start-up days last year,” Cirilli reported Thursday. “Opposition research would allow Trump’s new political team to prepare for potential attacks on his candidacy.”
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    When Paul Manafort took over leadership from Lewandowski, he too wanted to perform opposition research, but Trump shut him down as well. “The issue became a point of contention among his closest political advisers and some long-time employees at the Trump Organization,” Cirilli added.
    
    Great business skills. Great management skills. High intelligence. What you’d expect from a guy with the guile of a street-fighter and a Super IQ of 156.
    
    Fucking moron.
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:28am
    - deadrightkev
      
      Made a few billion have you tom?
      
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      October 16, 2016 3:57pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Out of arguments aren’t you?
        
        You do realise that rich people can still do very, very stupid things, no? Or did the Colin Craig saga not get that through your skull?
        
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        October 16, 2016 4:01pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Once you have more than a few millions you have to be pretty stupid to lose money – as income in even very safe investments will massively exceed your costs of living. Trump as a businessman is an obvious victim of Dunning Kruger (not nearly as clever as he thinks he is), having $100million mostly inherited in 1978, he should be worth >$5 billion (I suspect he is worth waaay less than that) if he had just invested in an index fund and done nothing for 40 years.
        
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        October 16, 2016 11:40pm
- VicParking
  
  Our MSM have no minds of there own either. Remember they are owned by overseas (Aus) interests which in turn are owned by either US and English interests, which in turn are owned by US interests. 50% of the failing newspapers articles are from either the BBC, Daily Mail or CNN.
  As for our own crop of Journalists, If you need to bring up your breakfast in a hurry just read Lizzie Marvelly’s article this morning.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Vic, a sizeable chunk of our MSM is owned by the State – TVNZ, Radio NZ. Then there’s Maori TV.
    
    The Otago Daily Times is still locally owned, and I think the Gisborne newspaper may be, too. Some free publications are locally owned, too, like the Christchurch Star, which I think belongs to a branch of the family that owns the Otago Daily Times. I understand this family also owns regional TV stations in Dunedin and Christchurch.
    
    However, in general you are right. The foreign financiers who control the two big media ownership groups in NZ have lowered the standard of our reading, listening and watching.
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Gisborne Herald owned by local family. (Muir)
      
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      October 15, 2016 9:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You omitted the lazy, inept, facial, ignorant, partisan, biased etc. words when referring to journalists, our guardians of nil zilinds fourth estate, our . . . nah, forget it
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:34am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Facile even; the curse of predictive text
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:33am
- Paulus
  
  Killary the Clinton, mentally unstable and physical incompetent, has actually enough votes paid for in that she has already won the election.
  Since she lost to the Afro American she has done all in her financial power to show that as a woman alone only she knows what she wants and the despite all these things she will cripple America further.
  She is and will be the laughing stock of much of the real World, outside those who have benefited from the Clinton Foundation and the so called media. I assume she will have a mobile stairway built on Air Force One when she flutter around the world.
  Putin will be laughing at the foot of the stairway along with the many Moslem Leaders who will still not openly talk to a woman despite what she calls herself.
  Her husband will continue to find women to dally with, but it is reported that he is no longer physically capable. Not even with Viagra.
  
  Oh how sad we will see further the erosion of what was once a country to be admired as it slides down the slippery pole of socialism. Its increasing trillion dollar debts are beyond belief and no matter what cannot be corrected – ever.
  Spend other people’s money is not the answer – but good socialists believe that with printing money that is the answer. It is not.
  I cannot feel sorry for the American people because like the Auckland Council they brought it upon themselves.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:33am
- cmm
  
  It is why they go to Trump rallies and not Clinton rallies.
  
  If you want to hear what Trump says, you won’t hear it through MSM so you better go there yourself.
  
  If you want to hear what Clinton says the MSM will give it to you.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:22am
  - Ross12
    
    A number of sites have live connection to his rallies.
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  I see Trump going about thumping and stomping on the election hustings is an illusion of democracy and free speech ?
  
  Yeah Right !
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:05am
- tom hunter
  
  Ho hum.
  
  Considering how poorly Trump has managed his campaign I could make an equally good argument that he’s the pawn. After all, he’s on the verge of delivering up control of the Senate and perhaps even the House, to the Democrats – with Hillary as President. It doesn’t get more controlling than that – if EAD’s and Trump’s argument is accepted.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:20am
- mikekirk29
  
  This man is scum and supporting him makes you of same calibre. Hillary is no saint but Trump is the sort of tub thumping self loving plank that all good ol boys love. Poor little whitey been ignored by government so long.. yawn. An elitist slagging off the elite. I will make USA great again. Go back and read what Hitler told all other parties – everything they wanted to hear. trump is anti-Wall Street? So he wants to cut all their taxes. What a crock
  
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  October 15, 2016 7:09pm
Manolo

stephieboy will recoil in horror. How times have changed!
http://therightscoop.com/wikileaks-emails-reveals-hillary-campaign-pushing-muslim-obama-narrative/

A new leaked email exchange by Wikileaks shows that the Hillary campaign was pushing the Muslim Obama narrative back in 2008.
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October 15, 2016 8:06am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , that the fact his father was a Muslim ( Dad actually left and renounced his religion ) is somehow evidence of pushing a Muslim Obama narrative back in 2008 ) that continues to this day ?
  
  Sheesh !
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:10am
Manolo

The incompetent Obama on the offensive against Trump:
http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/president_barack_obama_campaig.html
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October 15, 2016 8:22am
- Paulus
  
  What is amusing is that Obamas’ and the Clintons’ are in different worlds.
  There is serious underlying very deep animosity rising from when Hillary did not get the Democratic nomination and lost out to a Black Man.
  Inside the White House Hillary has been despised as she has done all she can to undermine Obama – not that that has taken much.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:37am
  - Kimbo
    
    Nothing new. And at least he’s campaigning for her. Couldn’t imagine Lyndon Johnson doing the same for Bobby Kennedy – and certainly not vice versa. Or Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller for one another.
    
    I mean, come on! That’s 12 posts so far today on GD and they are all obsessing in one way or other on the over-aching ambition of the Clintons. Who woulda known? And the media is in their pockets? Quelle surprise!
    
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    October 15, 2016 8:50am
  - cmm
    
    Obama is not a Black Man he’s only half black.
    
    Nor is he an African American (in the normal sense of the phrase). African Americans were brought as slaves from West Africa. Obama’s father willingly came from East Africa. Equating West and East Africa are like equating Norway and Turkey – they have different histories, languages and cultures.
    
    Obama rode in on the Black ticket. Clinton wanted to ride in on the female ticket. Both were trying to milk their positions.
    
    Clinton still feels Obama and DNC screwed her over for “her” turn in the White House in 2008.
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:28am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      And white men can’t jump – whereas Barack can jump half as high as an African-American.
      Michelle is black as anything though. Maybe the blacks thought ‘that’s a fair old amount smattering of blackishness between two people’ – *vote*.
      The kids are three-quarters black ? Do they think like that ? Doubt it.
      
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      October 15, 2016 3:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Paulus ,and the President appointed her as Secretary of State and endorsed her nomination !
    
    Yeah Right !
    
    Undermined the President in what way exactly ?
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:13am
- Fletch
  
  I don’t see why Obama should be able to do this. Why doesn’t he get on with his own job? (eg, golfing). I’ve never heard of an outgoing president and his wife going around giving speeches denigrating their candidate’s opponent as they are doing with Trump. They really must be scared.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:07am
  - Ross12
    
    Fletch
    
    But Michelle has to tell the USA she has changed her mind (/sarc)–remember last time when she was saying to H Clinton
    “if you cannot manage your own house, how can you manage the White House?” , referring to the obvious!
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:10pm
oldpark

The evil Hillary Clinton learned her corruption from Lucretia Borgia,and Mata Hari.what an indictment. If she becomes the POTUS it will be by default,plus corruption,up to now that has not been equalled,and to make it even more sinister,the bought and paid for MainStream Media,by the Clintons,are also rolling in their excrement and vomit.A once great nation called the USA, is in its death throes, weighed down by the greed and avarice and corruption and bribery visited on people like FBI, DOJ,STATE DEPARTMENT,by Clinton Corruption Machine.
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October 15, 2016 8:34am
- Paulus
  
  Couldn’t agree better.
  All that matter in America is MONEY,MONEY, MONEY like Abba says.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Paulus ,but it’s only OK for GOP members such Mitt Romney and the Bush family to make money and accumulate wealth ?
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:16am
  - mikekirk29
    
    Course in NZ national supporters are whiter than white on subject of money, and keeping it
    
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    October 15, 2016 7:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  The evil Hillary Clinton learned her corruption from Lucretia Borgia,and Mata Hari.
  
  LOL – thanks for that.
  Do you even know who the Borgias or Mata Hari were?
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:30am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Tell us mm, anything for a distraction; i got the gist and I only passed SC metalwork . . .
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:43am
Manolo

The corrupt Clinton minimises her exposure:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wheres-hillary-no-public-events-1019-debate/

Coming off the heels of two private fundraisers in California on Thursday, Clinton doesn’t have any public events scheduled between today and the final presidential debate on October 19.
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October 15, 2016 8:45am
- Kimbo
  
  Nope. Her campaign is now at the point where, as with Nixon against McGovern in ’72, she is best to sit back, and let her opponent flail around sinking ever further into the electoral quicksand with every phrase he utters.
  
  And this from the worst Democratic candidate since…James Buchanan
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan
  
  Well done Trump supporters. In pushing your guy this far you’ve ensured a no-contest win for Hillary Clinton.
  
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  October 15, 2016 8:56am
  - Fletch
    
    I reckon the only way Hillary can win is by cheating – which she will do.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:09am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yeah, yeah just like the 1976 All Blacks in South Africa moaned that the Springboks cheated by lifting their men in the lineout, yet it never occurred to them to do the same, even better.
      
      This is the race for POTUS. To paraphrase another All Black, “we’re not playing tiddlywinks out here”. And Trump was the guy who sold himself as the candidate who could overcome the Democrats’ and Clinton’s evil cheating machine.
      
      How’s that working out? And how come his supporters and now grizzling, far worse than any leftie loser, “it’s no use, the system is too corrupt to even bother trying”?!
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:42am
    - jonar
      
      So you haven’t been following the polls?
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:52am
Happychappy

It shows you the mentality of the left when Hans Kriek Safe and Farm Watch Executive Director believes that bobby calves should have the same right as humans.he goes on to say people whine about GCSB Spying on us but the likes of Bradbury,Dotcom, Nicky Hager and the Green Party would acually applaud us for the use of camera’s to see if they can record Bobby Calf abuse.
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October 15, 2016 8:52am
- G152
  
  A suggestion to cow cockies.
  Put the bull/s in around the cow shed and get a dog. Best burglar alarms in the business !
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:02am
- GoVege
  
  “Bobby calves should have the same rights as humans”?
  Don’t be ludicrous.
  They just want the poor little baby cows to not be bashed around on the way to the meat works during their tortured few days of life.
  Does that really equate to “the same rights as humans”?
  
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  October 15, 2016 1:40pm
Happychappy

So the fat craut has done what Winston has not been able to do if you can believe the person that believes the the Media are more corrupt than him.He says he has the goods to get the young out to vote, the missing million if you are a Labour Party member.This smells like he won’t be leaving NZ for a long time yet and his same crew from the last election are still at his side
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October 15, 2016 9:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Hanging in with the fat craut for his money. Some, such as Hone, appeared to do quite well financially out of the last election.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Not to mention the ‘most absent most costly parliamentary badge’ he accrued at my (and yours) expense
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:35pm
Kimbo

The moaning by Trump supporters about the Clintons and the media and the “corrupt system that is on their side” arrayed against him reminds me of the searing critique made about the diary of Captain Robert Falcon Scott: “any man who sits in his tent in the middle of the Antarctic complaining about the cold, the wind and the snow has no business being there in the first place”.
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October 15, 2016 9:09am
- Jack5
  
  Kimbo … that’s a feat!
  
  You’ve got Scott of Antarctica into a melee over the medieval-Italian-scale feud between the ~~Borgias~~ Clintons and the Medici golfer, Trump, over who’s going to be Pope.
  
  Now, what’s the best for their transport: huskies or ponies?
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:27am
  - Kimbo
    
    Hey, like the 2016 Presidential campaign, Scott was in a race…which he lost.
    
    And after he did, despite the fact he killed himself and four of his men while Amundsen got there safely and back again, with word relayed to the world at about the same time the brave Captain Oates was stumbling out of his tent in a desperate sacrifice to try and save three of his comrades
    
    …it was written up by the British cheerleaders as all the fault of the beastly Norwegian because, “he ate his dogs”.
    
    So watch while all the Trump supporters start getting their excuses in nice and early, and try the Charge of the Light Brigade/Dunkirk evacuation/Scott of the Antarctic “noble failure” line the Poms have used to excuse incompetence for centuries!
    
    And this for a guy who supposedly knows how to win – no matter what 😉
    
    Now, what’s the best for their transport: huskies or ponies?
    
    Forget the theory and clever arguments. As with Scott and Amundsen, whatever gets you there and back ahead of the other guy. Simple.
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:36am
    - tom hunter
      
      @Kimbo
      Speaking of winners and losers …. I responded last night to your GD comments on the Dodgers-Nationals playoff.
      
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      October 15, 2016 9:52am
      - Kimbo
        
        Saw it. That’s the spirit!
        
        And fair enough. Like Curt Schilling (your choice of greatest pitcher of all time, isn’t he?) when the he was asked before the 2001 World Series if the Arizona Diamondbacks would be overawed by the mystique and aura of the Yankees: “‘Mystique’ and ‘Aura’? Those are dancers in a nightclub. We are professional ball players who don’t take that into account”.
        
        Like the Red Sox in 2004, the Cubs have clearly (adverb alert!) built a team that should be good enough to bury the curse for good. But then they don’t just hand out the trophies to the favourites without a game, do they? 😉
        
        Enjoy the next few weeks.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        …and speaking of Curt Schilling and bringing this back to the Trump discussion where this thread began:
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11729552
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:07am
      - tom hunter
        
        Not quite.
        
        One of my favourites was a young pitcher for the Florida Marlins in 2003 when they went up against the Yankees. After being shown around home plate, with all the plaques on the walls to the likes of DiMaggio, Ruth and Gehrig, he was asked if it was not intimidating. His response was a big grin and the comment, They’re not batting today.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:16am
      - Kimbo
        
        Josh Beckett?
        
        Reminds me of the comments exchanged between two former team mates on a sweltering-hot summer’s day during the funeral service for Babe Ruth:
        
        “I’d give a hundred dollars for a cold beer right now”
        
        “So would the Babe!”
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:27am
    - Jack5
      
      Re this in Kimbo’s 9.36 post:
      
      …try the Charge of the Light Brigade/Dunkirk evacuation/Scott of the Antarctic “noble failure” line the Poms have used to excuse incompetence for centuries …
      
      I’m not a “Pom”, but portraying excuses as a peculiarly English trait is unfair.
      
      The Nazis blamed a leftist “stab in the back” for Germany losing in World War 1. A German acquaintance of mine whose dad died at Stalingrad in World War 2 alleges the Russkis won only because, first the Russkis were doped with meth, and, second, because the Rumanians caved in on either side of the German Army.
      
      Closer to home, some old relatives reckoned they lost in Crete only because of lack of air support (a fair comment), and because of lousy supplies, for example machine guns without tripods.
      
      Napoleon, in the 29th Bulletin of the Grande Armée, when announcing the defeat of his army at Berezina, blamed the weather though the heavy frosts and snow began after that. The Germans similarly blame the weather on failure to take Moscow, one of the most crucial battles of World War 2.
      
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      October 15, 2016 1:17pm
    - GoVege
      
      Eating man’s best friend is a bit beyond the pale, but in this case obviously justified.
      Just shows how great the British are for defending animals… and slaves.. …..just a pity they went too far letting barbarians in, in droves.
      
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      October 15, 2016 1:45pm
- Gabby
  
  Searing, if fatuous and smug is your idea of searing.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:48am
  - Kimbo
    
    Sure Gabby.
    
    Just out of interest, if your life depended on it (and it would have!), with whom would have rather raced to the South Pole – Amundsen…or Scott? 😉
    
    Clinton is going to win. It may not be right, may not be fair, may not be just, but it is what counts in politics. As per Sean Connery in The Rock: “You’ll do your best?! Loser’s whine, ‘I’ll do my best’. Winner f*%# the prom queen!”.
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:55am
    - Gabby
      
      Winner sounds like a bit of a pervert.
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:07am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      Kimbo ,you know and I know,that you are pushing shit up hill with a pointy stick trying to introduce logic and reason to a debate where others have renounced their grasp of it.
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:13am
      - Kimbo
        
        Indeed.
        
        But then Clinton’s supporters are not much better. And neither candidate has many redeeming personal qualities, let alone proven political skill. This year has been a case of the “Battle of the Abominables”.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:18am
- kowtow
  
  That’s it , I’m going out for a walk and I’ll be a while.
  
  Joking aside , what a tough bunch of good bastards.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:31am
  - RF
    
    Kowtow.
    
    Are you doing a Captain Lawrence Edward Grace “Titus” Oates ?
    
    Wrap up well and keep warm… it’s cold out there.
    
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    October 15, 2016 5:18pm
Chuck Bird

It will be interesting to see the result of the Tostee trial. I do not understand why the police have not also charged him with kidnapping. It seems clear that he prevented her from leaving by the front door.
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October 15, 2016 9:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree Chuck. I don’t know why he didn’t just put her out his door into the corridor so she could leave instead of imprisoning her on his balcony.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:57am
  - Gabby
    
    He wanted to keep her for later
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:06am
    - sooty
      
      Why did she not scream. She’s in the middle of apartment block, someone would have poked their head out.
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:16am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        That would be the rational thing to do. However, her judgement was impaired by alcohol.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:44am
      - RF
        
        Sorry Chuck. Hit the wrong bloody button and reported you. Must be a better way to report abuse.
        
        Was there any evidence that he had spiked her drinks ?
        
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        October 15, 2016 5:24pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        RF, I have hit the wrong button myself with this new setup. I have not heard if he spiked her drink.
        
        I still cannot see why he was not charged with kidnapping.
        
        If a person willing gets in your car you must letter them out if they ask as the nearest place it is safe and legal to stop.
        
        If a person comes to your place willingly and you prevent them from leaving physically or by not opening the door if it has deadlock I would say that is kidnapping.
        
        If a person dies when jumping out of a car because the driver will not stop I am sure the driver could be convicted of manslaughter or even murder.
        
        I cannot recall what happened when the woman escaped from a moving from the boot and died. Does anyone recall?
        
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        October 15, 2016 5:48pm
- kowtow
  
  Very sad. I feel for her parents , all this being so happily covered by our low life media.
  
  IMHO there’s no way he’s guilty of murder, manslaughter at a stretch though. Either way he comes across as a nasty piece of work.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:33am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Do you think he could be found guilty of kidnapping if had been also charged with kidnapping?
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:42am
cmm

It’s a sad day when Tribal Huk have to step up and do what the cops are supposed to do:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85339932/who-are-the-tribal-huks-and-where-do-they-get-the-authority-to-warn-off-drug-dealers

People want stabilitiy in their lives. If the state with all its tools fails to do it then people will turn to the gangs.

The same happened in USA during the 1920s and 30s when gangs ran various towns and kept law and order. Sure, they also ran their own rackets (eg. protection money) but those were often no worse than paying taxes.

The same happens in South Africa, Venezuela, …

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t want gangs to have power. But clearly our cops have been de-clawed to the extent they don’t do what they need to do. Instead of hassling baddies it is much easier (and PC) to instead hassle honest responsible citizens.
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October 15, 2016 9:17am
- holysheet
  
  Nah its just a criminal trying to protect his local patch from outsiders encroaching his clients.
  You cannot tell me he’s suddenly taken the pledge to not deal in any drugs. And the media are all over him saying gushing things about how good he is.
  Give me a break.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Go down to North tron and tell him, it may come as no surprise but he (or his thuggish ‘mates’) will break something for you
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:42pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup he is a crim protecting his patch.
    
    My main point is really that it is a sad day when normal people have to basically pick sides which gang they support because the cops are ineffective.
    
    One way to stop (or at least reduce) gang violence when the cops can’t do it is to back one gang.
    
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    October 15, 2016 5:00pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  The cops are concentrating on the real hardcore crime ridden pockets of evil blemishing this fair land . . .
  Martinborough
  
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  October 15, 2016 2:44pm
Southern Raider

UNESCO is about to pass a resolution that the western wall and Temple Mount hold no religious ties to Jewish people.

This UN committee has been stacked with Islamic countries who voted 24 for and worst of all 26 western members abstained from voting.

So according to the UN Jesus was through out of a mosque. What’s next
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October 15, 2016 9:29am
- mikenmild
  
  Maybe you should read the actual decision. It’s a bit long and complex though:
  http://whc.unesco.org/en/decisions/6243
  It should be noted also that this is a decision of a UNESCO committee that has yet to be ratified by the UNESCO executive.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I cannot see how you managed a downtick for that factual piece of information mm, pissed on anyone in particular parade recently?
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:50am
  - Southern Raider
    
    They refereed to the Kotel or Western Wall only by an Arabic name for it.
    
    So when does China lose connection to the Great Wall or Egypt to the Pyramids?
    
    Palestinians have vandalised Cave of the Patriachs, thousand year old Christian churches and most recently Rachel’s Tomb with no intervention from UNESCO
    
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    October 15, 2016 9:52am
    - mikenmild
      
      Nice to see you quote Mr Netanyahu but without the quote marks.
      If you read the decision and commentary on it you will see that it is nothing like that. The Israeli government just appear to be pissed off about criticism of its ongoing damage to such an important site.
      
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      October 15, 2016 9:59am
      - Southern Raider
        
        You lefties are so blinded by your hate if Israel you will believe anything.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:02am
Reid

Only extraordinarily naive people don’t see the palpable evidence of the across-the-board bias against Trump from the politicial establishment and the entire Western corporate MSM.

Trump represents an existential threat to them and if Trump doesn’t win they will never ever let someone like Trump get so far again. That’s what at stake now. It’s the people vs the establishment and the people will only be allowed one chance at this. The only reason he’s got so far is because the alt media are holding the corporate MSM to account and telling the more and more people who are turning from the corporate MSM and toward them, what and who Killary is, while the corporate MSM remains completely, utterly and totally silent.

Anonymous says it has a Mossad blackmail video of Bill raping a 13 year old taken at Eptsein’s island. This will destroy Killary if released. Were the corporate MSM doing its job Killary’s candidacy would already be destroyed simply on the evidence we already know exists.
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October 15, 2016 9:39am
- Ross12
  
  Reid
  
  I’m think that Anonymous video maybe fake
  ( when I looked yesterday it is not their website and apparently Paul Watson –Infowars tweeted is is fake). But I stand to be corrected on that.
  
  But on a positive note the Wall street Journal is finally waking up to what it’s fellow members of the MSM are doing
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-14/wall-street-journal-blasts-press-consistently-buries-hillary-clintons-sins
  ( if you scroll down the comments you can see the full oped or most of it)
  
  Also I read that Clinton is not making any more public appearances after those done yesterday. I assume she’ll turn up to the 3rd debate. Read into that what you want.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:50am
  - Reid
    
    Anything’s possible Ross but it fits what I know of Mossad, Wexler, Epstein,, WJC and Trump in terms of their alliances and modi operandus.
    
    It’s possible the Murdoch-run WSJ is playing straight but they haven’t done it in the past and it’s not a matter of waking up they’ve always known it. At this point I’m inclined to think they’re just running insurance lest the unthinkable (to them) happens..
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid ,
      
      You know what about Mossad ?
      
      You concede that Trump consorts with Jews like Jeffrey Epstein and this Casino Billionaire Charles Koch Sheldon Adelson and others ?,
      
      http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/trump-billionaire-backers-list/
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:20am
    - VicParking
      
      She has to go back to Area 51 to get her blood replaced and her batteries recharged.
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:04am
- Gabby
  
  So they’re just sitting on evidence of a crime? Nice.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:51am
- EAD
  
  Reid,
  
  You’ll enjoy this article
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-13/global-elites-are-getting-ready-blame-you-coming-financial-crash
  
  Good food for thought on how the political elites are positioning us for the fall.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:05am
  - Reid
    
    Thank you EAD, most appreciated. Interesting times aren’t they. You’re one of the few who know this has been going on for centuries and in the past when things get too fraught they just backed off and waited a few decades till the sheeple calmed down then came right back online. This time they’re not. It’s like they have a deadline and they’re being forced to push things so far they’re risking exposure. They’re almost at the Rubicon. And as you and I both know, these guys don’t miscalculate, this is not a mistake on their part, they have access to data we don’t have and they know far better than us what the real situation is, and it goes far beyond Nov 8..
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , why not revive you 2015 eminent economic armageddon ?
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:25am
  - mikenmild
    
    EAD
    Does this mean you will have a revised timetable for total worldwide economic collapse?
    I’m still living off last year’s stockpile of baked beans, but I assume you will give me good warning of when to re-stock the food and check that my supplied of guns, gold and ammunition are adequate.
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:36am
Hugh Pavletich

STRUGGLING AUCKLAND FIRST HOME BUYERS FIND $720,000 HOME … NEW ZEALAND HERALD

Struggling first-home buyers finally find their West Auckland dream home – for $720,000 – National – NZ Herald News
( … no financing information …)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11728281

… extracts …

… The Herald’s Home Truths series highlighted a national crisis in unaffordable housing, particularly in Auckland where a typical house costs about 10 times a typical household’s income (HP comment … should not exceed 3.0 times … less than 30% what they paid). Prices have tripled in the last 15 years, while incomes have risen by only two thirds, putting home ownership out of reach for many young people. …

… However the average Auckland house price has also passed the $1 million mark and mortgage payments have increased to a daunting 45.6% of take-home pay for an average young couple trying to buy their first home in the city, according to interest.co.nz’s latest Home Affordability Index for August.

A $720,000 house that should be less than $210,000
$510,000 + extra
WHY ?

Real estate Institute of New Zealand (REINZ) latest monthly report

https://www.reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery

Houston Association of Realtors (HAR) latest monthly report

https://www.har.com/content/mls
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October 15, 2016 9:45am
- Southern Raider
  
  And the other article in the Herald about how over 6000 homes last year were brought by investors who already hold at least 5 properties and most in excess of 10.
  
  It is a house of cards. These property investors have absolutely no liquid capital behind them and are just using over inflated false equity to continue a buying spree.
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:54am
  - Inandout
    
    That young couple should quit Auckland and leave it for the investors and high commission real estate agents. Once Auckland becomes a shit hole for renters it won’t be worth living in anyway.
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:03am
    - holysheet
      
      What kind of rent would you need to charge to cover your mortgage and other expenses? If these investors are borrowing 75-80% thats a hell of a lot of money to cover a week in rent.
      Who can afford to pay this ? or is the taxpayer subsidising these payments and making the landlords rich?
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:23am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        When a 80s 3 bedroom weatherboard house canask for $520 plus in rent in South Auckland, that may give you an idea… if you’re a single mum with 2 kids on a benefit, that’s $165 accomodation supplement and roughly another $100 in temporary additional support. There’s half your rent covered just there. Assuming your tenant pays on time.
        
        When this property bubble bursts, there are gonna be some very sorry small time investors and those with real money will be picking up a ton of mortgagee sales at low prices.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:51am
      - Jack5
        
        Re Northland Wahine (10.51 comment) ….
        
        My apologies, I went to hit “reply” to your post, but got the “report button”. Sorry. It seems there is no “reply” button on the final tier of comments.
        
        Anyway, Northland Wahine, I was going to say the bubble collapse will be ugly. The media will report families being evicted from homes and bankruptcies of both borrowers and lenders.
        
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        October 15, 2016 1:28pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        Holy sheet we as taxpayers are funding all of this. The government is having to spend a fortune on rent subsidies in Auckland and it has to just keep on adding more as rent get pushed up.
        
        My mother in law for example is retired and has a average 2 bedroom unit in an average suburb. Rent was $415 and landlord has just told her the rent is being increased by $30 per week. She gets the max rent subsidy from WINZ already as her landlord has put up the rent roughly every 6 months but this is the biggest jump by far. On top of WINZ all the kids have to chuck in a far bit of money a week to help out. We have looked for cheaper accomodation but only option would be a bedsit under someone’s house and that still costs in excess of $250 per week.
        
        The government is fueling the property rises through rampant immigration and not stepping in to put controls on property investors and then on the other side we as tax payers are forking out a fortune on subsidise and then in addition I expect many other children are also having to put money in
        
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        October 15, 2016 2:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    My local Estate Agent told me a few years ago that the people who had a number of rental properties were teachers – good for them setting up their retirement.
    The Agents had requests that when an possibly suitable properties came on the market that they would telephone the teachers as soon as possible.
    Often they would buy up a do up and do so as they often had time and holidays and put them back onto the sale market back with the agents through whom they bought. Backscratching.
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:35pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Listen to Hugh Pavletich with Heather du Plessis-Alan on Radio Live Sunday about 1008.
  
  … Earlier interview …
  
  Talking housing affordability across the globe with Hugh Pavletich – Audio Player – Audio – RadioLIVE
  
  http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Talking-housing-affordability-across-the-globe-with-Hugh-Pavletich/tabid/506/articleID/122978/Default.aspx
  
  2016 12th Annual Demographia International Housing affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:13am
  - sooty
    
    Not likely with her.
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:19am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not likely with him.
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:30am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Not likely with either, I would rather not fast forward through the ads (compare and contrast the English TV advertising with the number 8 kiwi effort; like comparing an art form with a fart form)
        
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        October 15, 2016 1:49pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    What’s with referring to yourself in the third person Hugh; wouldn’t a simple “Listen to me with Heather…” suffice?
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:01pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      It’s different when dime does it.
      Hugh is one-way propaganda.
      I doubt very much he gives fark one what anyone here thinks. Think: debating with a radio station you have on.
      
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      October 15, 2016 2:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Left, Right & Centre … I am more than happy to discuss and debate any points relating to these issues you may have.
        
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        October 16, 2016 8:51am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  I am getting reports of numerous homeowners bailing Auckland with the huge bubble money … moving to (places such as) Christchurch and renting, where the rents are falling.
  
  Particularly those in or very near retirement.
  
  Christchurch rents have fallen about 8% this year.
  
  Current Christchurch median house price is about $420,000 … Auckland $820,000.
  
  Prices will follow rents down.
  
  One sees empty rentals all over Christchurch now … and of course increasing numbers of them week by week.
  
  A lot of the old rubbish … particularly in the East of Christchurch … will only be worth land value, less demolition costs. Essentially, the old rubbish will become unmarketable.
  
  The new build rates in Greater Christchurch are massive … with Selwyn County regularly in world record territory … consenting some months at the rate of about 30 units per 1000 population per annum.
  
  Remarkable.
  
  The idea is to stay renting in Christchurch for the next few years with falling rents … then buy when the market prices bottoms out.
  
  Understandably, they see it as a great way to set themselves up nicely in retirement … making the most of this rare opportunity before the Auckland bubble bursts.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:45am
Happychappy

How long will it take for Labour and the rest of the Left to come out blasting the Government for Police charging two officers with kidnapping. What they did was common practice in my youth having been given a few slaps around the ears and locked up by one of my fathers best friend one night and being told wait to you get home this is only mild to what your old man will give you
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October 15, 2016 9:48am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Or a ride to Wellington central for a small slap, a night in the cells with the real bad boys and kicked out at 5 am before the busses started with the knowledge that you weren’t going to go to a telephone box, push button A to get the Olds out of bed to come and get you; you just started walking . . .
  
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  October 15, 2016 9:58am
- Gabby
  
  Then it’s home to the bobby calves, eh what?
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:10am
  - stigie
    
    You into bobby calves Gobby..?
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Bobby calves, it took me a minute; this subtle humour had no place in SC metalwork, it was all about squirting acidic flux and burning each other (and oneself) just prior to the point of getting thrashed by Mr Errington, simple happy days . . .
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:54pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  So what did the old man smash you with ?
  Got any cool scars an shit ?
  
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  October 15, 2016 2:36pm
waikatogirl

Can the rain please stop!!
It is hosing down again. Nothing but heavy rain for the past 6 weeks. Waikato dairy cows are getting foot rot and the rest of us are just plain over it.
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October 15, 2016 10:07am
- Kimbo
  
  …and you’ve recently been relieved of the Ranfurly Shield.
  
  Plus, the primary metropolis and ‘cultural centre” of the province is…Hamilton.
  
  They say tragedy strikes in threes 😉
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:14am
  - holysheet
    
    The third thing would be your sorry arse visiting this fine city. Keep away if you are going to be so negative.
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:25am
    - Kimbo
      
      He he he.
      
      I’d say “Go f&%$ yourself!” for your lack of humour, but as there is a statistically-higher probability than anywhere else in the country you would contract an STD doing so, I’ll let you be 😉
      
      Plus I’m a refugee from Hamilton, having spent three years there during my formative stages, so having paid the price of admission, I have the right to speak. 😉
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:36am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Move to the Hutt Valley.
  Only a couple of days in the last 6 weeks when I wouldn’t have been able to mow the lawn.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:31am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I have got a mower like that, bastard thing!
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:58pm
- VicParking
  
  Bloody dust everywhere, hasnt rained in two months. Running out of feed and the cows are drying up. I’m just plain over it.
  Woops sorry that was last year.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:10am
- Harriet
  
  “…..It is hosing down again. Nothing but heavy rain for the past 6 weeks. Waikato dairy cows are getting foot rot and the rest of us are just plain over it…..”
  
  “Waikato NZ is the greatest place on earth.” – Moo Cow tourism board. 😎
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:10am
- Fletch
  
  Daylight Saving starts way too early. It’s not Summer yet, people. The weather is never nice at this time of year. You have to wait until November/December. They should cut back Daylight Saving to where it used to be – end of October, or even beginning of November.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:13am
  - wiseowl
    
    Agree 100% Fletch.
    The way they changed daylight saving last was scurrilous.
    Dunne and Barker saying more time for BBQ’s.
    Definitely end of October if at all.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:35am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Peter Dunne who was responsible for daylight saving being stretched at both ends.
    Starts too early in the spring and ends too late in the autumn.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:49am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Sort of like the Dunny monster himself, started too early in politics and has outstayed his welcome in the end; do us a favour Andrea and shag the bow tied bouffanted buffoon and get him out of here, get him a position as hair style advisor to Trump!
      
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      October 15, 2016 2:03pm
    - Manolo
      
      Will Dunne ever admit his mistake? Hell will freeze over first.
      
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      October 16, 2016 6:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Plus the global warming
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:47pm
waikatogirl

Perhaps you should visit Hamilton some time Kimbo instead of just commenting from afar. Hamilton economy is booming, and it’s looking very pretty with all the trees are out in spring green.
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I suggest a visit to our amazing Hamilton Gardens, which are stunningly world class.
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October 15, 2016 10:23am
- stephieboy
  
  waikatogirl , Hamilton looks very impressive these days. A far cry from the backwater and hole I thought it was many , many years ago.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:29am
  - holysheet
    
    Oh god, there goes the fine name of Hamilton. Oh the shame of having a stupidboy having good thoughts of Hamilton. Stick to your honeypot gazing in the shit hole you call Auckland.
    
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    October 15, 2016 10:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      holysheet , are you some kind of self-appointed comments Gestapo on KB ?
      
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      October 15, 2016 10:56am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah I just cannot resist poking the bear. And it works every time.
        
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        October 15, 2016 10:59am
    - Inandout
      
      There is quite a nest of Somalians in Hamilton. That doesn’t add to a city’s desirability, especially when you include the usual feral suburbs.
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:20am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Yes Inandout, like most large cities, there are some suburbs I wouldn’t venture into on a dark night.
        You never know who or what you’d bump into, perhaps even holysheet may be lurking! (just joking holysheet, wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side)
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        October 15, 2016 11:28am
- Kimbo
  
  Thank you for the invitation, and that announcement from the Hamilton tourism office, waikatogirl. While I have visited in the last year, alas, it would appear that as punishment for my impertinence and alleged slur against your fine provincial capital, I have been blacklisted by the chief Waikato immigration officer, holysheet. And they say criticising the King of Thailand will get you into trouble there! 😉
  
  But I have fond memories, while a resident of Hamilton – and yes, it does the season of spring very well, almost as good as Christchurch I’m told – ,of the 1980 Waikato team winning the Ranfurly Shield. The only second division team to ever pull off that feat.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:42am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Kimbo, holysheet must live on that part of town where a chip on his shoulder comes with the neighbourhood.
    Everyone is welcome to Hamilton as long as you don’t outstay your visit, don’t bludge off the rest of us, and leave your negativity in whatever area you normally hang your hat.
    I enjoyed the 1980 celebrations of winning the Shield. Celebrations may be thin on the ground in Hamilton but we know how to celebrate them when they do.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:04am
wiseowl

Gee I am sure I remember wg crying out for rain not too long ago.
Is Hamilton booming because of immigration or dairying?
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October 15, 2016 10:28am
- holysheet
  
  If by immigration, you call all the Jaffas coming here and buying up cheaper property, then yes it’s immigration thats causing the boom. Dairying has a long way to go to be booming again.
  
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  October 15, 2016 10:35am
Reid

Someone in the BBC will get fired for this. Can’t have the truth seeping out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSNT_5KJd-o
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October 15, 2016 10:30am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , it is no surprise that Dr Marcus Papadopoulos often appears on RT and Voice of Russia etc peddling the pro-Putin line .
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcCJE85W8PQ
  
  The fact he regards Boris Johnson advocating a protest rally outside the Russian Embassy as somehow violating that Country’s diplomatic rights is risible .
  I wonder if RT and V of R would allow Boris Johnson air time to do the same granted by the BBC to Dr Marcus Papadopoulos?
  
  Fat chance !
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:06am
waikatogirl

Don’t think I was wiseowl, believe I said that time it was a stunning beautiful morning.
We have had the odd beautiful day but lately mostly heavy cloud, heinous winds and heavy rain.
The sun will be back soon and I can get my tomatoes in.
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October 15, 2016 10:34am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Good moaning Kiwibloggers 🙂

Today I start collecting signatures for my latest petition – requesting the House establish an Independent Commission Against Corruption(ICAC).

(LONG overdue, in my opinion).

For my Kiwiblog ‘fan club’, who remain, in my view, wilfully blind as to the reason for my rates dispute with Auckland Council – here (AGAIN), are my reasons:

I’m disputing and refusing to pay Auckland Council rates until the Public Records Act 2005, s.17 is followed, and the following information about spending of public rates monies on private sector consultants and contractors is made available for public scrutiny:

* The unique contract number.

* The name of the consultant / contractor.

* A brief description of the scope of the contract.

* The contract start /finish dates.

* The exact dollar value of each and every contract – including those sub-contracted.

* How the contract was awarded, by direct appointment or public tender.

By making this information available on the front page of Auckland Council and all Auckland CCO websites, under ‘Procurement – Awarded Contracts’ would be the first step in being able to measure ‘cost-effectiveness’ of such private sector contracting.

Given that international research has proven private contracting of public services is TWICE as expensive as in-house service provision, and the fact that contracting can breed corruption, (as being currently revealed in the Auckland High Court, with the Auckland Transport unprecedented bribery and corruption case), it amazes me that more ‘fiscally prudent / conservative’ ratepayers and citizens aren’t picking up this call for ‘transparency’ in rates spending?

Don’t you want to know where exactly your rates monies are being spent?

Or perhaps some of you are personally ‘conflicted’ by yourselves being consultants and contractors with your own private snouts in this public trough?

Surely not!

Perish the thought.

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
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October 15, 2016 11:03am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  The bureaucrats in the Auckland City Council are the real operators, no mayor has a chance against them.
  
  They need to be purged.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:13am
  - stigie
    
    You keep going Penny, your unpaid rates and arrears will bite you hard on the bum.
    
    Sell the fucking hovel Auckland Council !~
    
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    October 15, 2016 12:07pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Not in my view.
    
    The Mayor and Councillors need to ensure that the ‘Oath’ they swear (or affirm’ to the public upon obtaining public office, to uphold the LAW, is implemented and enforced.
    
    Particularly, in my view, the Public Records Act 2005.
    
    How can you have transparency and accountability without full and accurate public records available for public scrutiny?
    
    Penny Bright
    
    ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
    
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    October 15, 2016 12:43pm
    - stigie
      
      “SELL THE HOVEL”
      
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      October 15, 2016 12:52pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Needs to be an investigation into the old ASB building the council bought for their new headquarters, which then promptly started falling apart and now needs mega millions to repair.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:13am
  - publicwatchdog
    
    Indeed.
    
    When were ratepayers and citizens ever consulted on why the ‘custom/made’ Auckland Civic Building was no longer ‘fit for purpose’, and the ASB building needed to be purchased?
    
    As I said back in 2009, before this Auckland ‘Supercity’ (for the corporate 1%) was forced upon us, under ‘URGENCY’ by the JohnKey led National Government, it was, in my view, a ‘CORRUPT CORPORATE COUP’.
    
    The ‘widespread culture of corruption’ is currently being revealed in the unprecedented bribery and corruption case involving Auckland Transport, at the Auckland High Court.
    
    Proving, in my view, why a genuinely Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC), is desperately needed in NZ, and LONG overdue.
    
    Want to help prevent corruption in contracting?
    
    OPEN THE BOOKS!
    
    Penny Bright
    
    ‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’.
    
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    October 15, 2016 12:35pm
    - Sofia
      
      Penny Bright misleads us a little, since the corruption started before the inception of the Super City (2010) …
      “… three charged by the SFO over what is alleged was a culture at Rodney District Council, then later Auckland Transport, where accepting gratuities became part and parcel of the working environment.”
      
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      October 15, 2016 1:21pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Ms Bright misrepresents frequently what are set out as the legal requirements imposed by s.17 of the Public Records Act 2005. So here is what s.17 actually says:
        
        17 Requirement to create and maintain records
        
        (1) Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
        
        (2) Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.
        
        (3) Every local authority must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all protected records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act.
        
        Ms Bright implies that there is a legislated obligation for Auckland Council to publish six specific pieces of factual information (that she defines) for public scrutiny in respect of any contract entered into by Council with a private sector consultant or contractor. But that is not what s.17 says; rather, it imposes obligations on Council to:
        – create and maintain full and accurate records, and maintain them in accessible form for subsequent reference;
        – maintain such public records in its control until their disposal is duly authorised as specified.
        
        Rather than requiring a virtual ‘public notice board’ of Council contracts (which Ms Bright might pour over endlessly in her quest for a slip-up or a conspiracy), s.17 imposes on Council itself an obligation to be able to access relevant and specific information that might be required later, e.g. in order to respond to a request for information under the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987.
        
        Under that Act, Ms Bright has the freedom to ask any question of Council that she chooses. Ultimately it will be for the law, not for Ms Bright, to determine whether any request she makes is lawful, realistic and reasonable for the Council to meet.
        
        But if she wishes to embark upon spurious fishing trips for random or ill-defined information, perhaps because she dislikes private consultants and contractors, or because she is politically opposed to any form of public outsourcing, then she is likely to faces many rebuffs and disappointments.
        
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        October 15, 2016 4:17pm
- holysheet
  
  you are constantly making misleading comments, Penny darling. How come you have changed you signature to exclude your failed mayoral race.
  In the spirit of full disclosure, you should say
  
  “Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog, failed auckland mayoral candidate forever”
  
  or do you not agree with full disclosure in all matters?
  
  I only ask in the most uncaring way of course.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  For god’s sake Penny, give it up. Nobody’s interested.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:55am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Good moaning Kiwibloggers ?
  
  Today I start collecting signatures for my latest petition – requesting the House demand that I pay my rates arrears and court costs.
  
  Fixed it for you Penny.
  
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  October 15, 2016 1:03pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Penny how did you finance your clusterfuck if a mayoral campaign?
  
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  October 15, 2016 2:11pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away.
  Rubbish stays.
  I walk away
  
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  October 15, 2016 5:21pm
Manolo

More leaks on pay for play:
https://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-wall-street/

Hillary Clinton was so enraged that Bill Clinton was forced to cancel a paid speech at Wall Street bank Morgan Stanley in 2015 that she “needed a cool down period,” according to email published by WikiLeaks on Friday.
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October 15, 2016 11:09am
- Fletch
  
  Just imagine this woman with her finger on the Big Red Button. Scary thought.
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:14am
  - holysheet
    
    Imagine “Any” woman with her finger on the big red button.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:18am
    - stephieboy
      
      holysheet , any woman ? Including Maggie Thatcher ?
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:27am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Dennis took care of Maggie’s big red button
        ?
        
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        October 15, 2016 11:33am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Yep, the Wikileaks will flow hot and fast between now and the US presidential election.
    
    The (((US media scum))) are doing a news black out on the leaks, they are out to exterminate Trump, he is an existential threat to the (((Globalist Elite))).
    
    Even if the evil old hag wins, after the election campaign heat cools off, the Wikileaks emails will still be there and blight the US first female presidency as the most corrupt and incompetent US presidency ever.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:19am
    - stephieboy
      
      black out on the leaks ?
      
      Evidence ?
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , women like Maggie Thatcher in charge of the Big Red Button a scary thought ?
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:20am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      She was in charge for a very long time.
      
      No WWW3.
      
      Meanwhile your darling mummy figure Hillary has a well documented history of burning down countries in the M.E, as Obamas side kick.
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        Such as the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq ( supported by Trump ) including the bombing of Gadaffi’s Libya the latter approved by both sides of congress and Trump himself .
        
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        October 15, 2016 11:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, what is so evil and nefarious about a dispute whether to cancel a speech ?
  
  Seems innocuous and storm in a Tea Cup stuff .
  
  Maybe like this ,
  
  http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roger-stone-donald-trump-fired-resigned
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:17am
  - Manolo
    
    And yet your Mrs Clinton refuses to release the full text of the speeches delivered to Wall St bankers. Transparency above all.
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo and what do you think it might contain ? A plot to hijack US democracy ? A military coup in DC ?
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Try this,
      
      http://www.forwardprogressives.com/debunking-anti-hillary-clinton-myths-lies-conspiracies/
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:38am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Why are you defending a lawyer who jokes about a 12 year old rape victim and accused her of fantasizing about older men?
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      She never did joke about her !
      
      http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:28am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Oh yes she did, cackled as she said she would never trust a liar detector machine again, after one was used to get her rapist defendant off the hook.
        
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        October 15, 2016 11:32am
stephieboy

Stalin style ?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bd/06/d9/bd06d91bf7dfd87881b100fa2a435875.jpg
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October 15, 2016 11:13am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  You would know all about Stalin, the greatest Socialist that ever was, remind us how many he exterminated again, Steph?
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    According to Marin Amis in his book Korba the Dread it was about 20 million ,
    
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Koba-Dread-Laughter-Twenty-Million/dp/009943802X
    
    Next question ?
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:26am
Fletch

Bill Clinton paid his mistress Gennifer Flowers $200 to abort his baby.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/10/14/exclusive-audio-gennifer-flowers-bill-clinton-paid-200-abort-baby/
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October 15, 2016 11:39am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , this abortion affair occurred back in 1977 and she now tells Breitbart about this today ?
  
  Sheesh !
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:44am
  - Andrei
    
    And allegedly Lucy Lawless was rung in her hotel room by Donald Trump 20 years ago and she is only telling us about it today?
    
    Sheesh!
    
    This election is bizarre, truly bizarre
    
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    October 15, 2016 12:06pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Lucy got a call from Trump informing her he was back in the singles market.
      
      Where is the rape in this?
      
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      October 15, 2016 12:08pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    You mean like a 10 year old tape of Trump’s locker room banter?
    
    Isn’t the wife of Monica’s former boyfriend running for US president under the banner of “Feminism”?
    
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    October 15, 2016 12:06pm
Fletch

The media get busted for promoting lies.

Donald Trump’s campaign says a British man is countering claims that the GOP presidential nominee groped a woman on a cross-country flight more than three decades ago.

The man says he was sitting across from the accuser and contacted the Trump campaign because he was incensed by her account — which is at odds with what he witnessed.

“I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious,” Anthony Gilberthorpe said in a note provided to The Post by the Trump campaign.

In an exclusive interview arranged by the campaign, Gilberthorpe said he was on the flight — in either 1980 or 1981— where Jessica Leeds claimed Trump groped her.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/
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October 15, 2016 11:41am
- cha
  
  An excellent memory….excellent……so excellent…a memory so excellent your head will spin…..
  
  Gilberthorpe made headlines in 2014, when he went public with a claim that as a 17-year-old he procured boys (some who “could have been” underage”) for sex parties with high-ranking British politicians.
  
  Gilberthorpe has no evidence to back up his claim — just his self-described excellent memory.
  
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  October 15, 2016 1:16pm
- cha
  
  A most excellent fantasy life, too.
  /
  
  Phantom engagement
  In September 1987, for example, he announced his engagement in the Times to Miss Leah Bergdorf-Hunt, a fashion designer from California. The Gloucester Express reported the news on its front page under the headline “Gilby to Marry”. It quoted Gilberthorpe as saying: “Both our families are delighted… I hope this will explain to a few people about my recent visits to America.” But there was no engagement, and indeed no Miss Bergdorf-Hunt. As revealed in Eye 690, the whole thing was a fantasy.
  
  Trump's airplane witness once got the press to cover his imaginary engagement to a made-up fiancée. pic.twitter.com/kQF5zY3RUu— Angus Johnston (@studentactivism) October 14, 2016
  
  https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/787050002552061956/photo/1
  
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  October 15, 2016 1:46pm
- cha
  
  heh
  
  If you had "GOP candidate rolls out pimp for gay pedophiles to rebut claim of sexual assault" in the headline pool, 2016 is your lucky year.— (((tedfrank))) (@tedfrank) October 14, 2016
  
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  October 15, 2016 4:47pm
holysheet

I see the thought police are out in force again. I want to post a reply to Waikatogirls comment about Dennis taking care of Maggie’s big red button at 11.33. Who would have thought such wowsers are active here?
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October 15, 2016 11:42am
- waikatogirl
  
  Perhaps women are not meant to joke about such things holysheet.
  Naughty me! ?
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:52am
  - Jacob
    
    waikatogirl – like they say, “knock yourself out” –
    http://inception.davepedu.com/noflash.php
    
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    October 15, 2016 1:53pm
Fletch

Anonymous are picking off other liars for being the shills for Hillary they are –

0HOUR1 ‏@0HOUR1__ 26m26 minutes ago
Summer Zervous got a PAYOUT to she will be linked before we are finished tonight to the Hillary Clinton NETWORK of schemes
#Anonymous

0HOUR1 ‏@0HOUR1__ 6m6 minutes ago
Summer Zervos was fired off the Apprentice on WEEK one and not nicely may I add we are rolling at the fun TRUMP only saw her in the ROOM
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October 15, 2016 11:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , anonymous tweets etc .Sure !
  
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  October 15, 2016 11:47am
  - Manolo
    
    stephieboy, do you condone Bill Clinton’s sexual improprieties and excesses?
    
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    October 15, 2016 11:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, those that have actually being verified and which he has been prosecuted for and convicted . Yes .
      
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      October 15, 2016 3:07pm
starboard

Good reading as per usual

http://www.nzcpr.com/newsletter/
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October 15, 2016 12:39pm
- doggone7
  
  Stephen Franks raises some of the issues which hysteria obscured.
  
  I’m still trying out to work out why the Rugby Union was meant to apologise to the victims of assaults in Wellington.
  
  I’m trying to work out how Paul Henry could go spare and mental with and ordinary people could not see how irrational he was.
  
  (I know why he went spare and mental.)
  
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  October 15, 2016 12:49pm
BananaLlama

And now you all know why the “far right” in Europe elects women to lead their political parties. It forces the establishment to talk about issues concerning voters instead of dragging the entire campaign down into the gutter. It is also why the “far right” in Europe is winning elections. Given a chance any fair minded voter rejects the kind of crap being pushed by establishment politics.
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October 15, 2016 12:57pm
cha

She’s got the look….

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cut8tyAWIAA0Z0p.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cut8ksGXYAMhyPv.jpg
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October 15, 2016 1:30pm
- Inandout
  
  So has Bill.
  
  https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/bill-clintons-secret-weapon.jpg
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ5dzCUWIAA-HZf.jpg
  
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  October 15, 2016 2:21pm
  - cha
    
    Found.
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CusD6P2WIAA4nyQ.jpg
    
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    October 15, 2016 2:30pm
    - Inandout
      
      More.
      
      http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/ows_145350862844398.jpg
      
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      October 15, 2016 3:22pm
dime

It’s quite amazing watching the media and Clinton’s going all out to destroy trump.

This has exposed a lot of people.

The media are just a joke and a lot of the elites have really come out swinging.

I’d hate to be a yank right now.

I reckon Hillary starts two wars if she wins.
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October 15, 2016 1:41pm
- Reid
  
  And nothing will ever be the same again. Once people know who they really are underneath no amount of rebranding, dissolving and reorganising will ever put it back together because they only have one message possible: the destructive, evil, venal power-seeking sychophantic one and as soon as any new brand starts behaving like that to any political player or political movement again, not only is the media organisation exposed no matter what their new logo is, but also the recipient of their sychophancy is too.
  
  Hoo-fucking-ray and about time.
  
  How come it’s taken so long for so many to finally but fucking finally start to get what’s been obvious to some of us for many decades now? And how come so many still oblivious to it are so fucking stoooooopid. Now perhaps, some of you realise why I’ve been calling people that.
  
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  October 15, 2016 2:05pm
Left Right and Centre

I’m so glad I and other cool little capital voters could help Helene Ritchie with her hospital parking issues . . .
http://www.electionz.com/2016lgeresults/EL16DHB814_results.pdf
There you go darling – it’s all better now. Breathe out. Lots of time to circle around and do it like most good folks.
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October 15, 2016 2:18pm
Reid

Anonymous posted:

“I rotate through Diego Garcia every 6 weeks to pull maintenance on uplink equipment as a private contractor.

Something big is going on, the island has more aircraft than anytime in the last 9 years. They have blocked off some access roads and are now parking aircraft on the road. Barriers have been set up around the aircraft areas. Temporary barracks and hangers are popping up everywhere. A tent city full of AF and Navy maintenance personnel has also been set up.

I have never seen B1s and B2s there at the same time. Actually I have never seen more than 1 there at a time.

Security is nuts I had to show my id at least 8 times a day

My coworker is former AF and said they are like that when nukes are around. We counted over a dozen air refueling tankers on the ground. The airfield had a take off or landing every 15 minutes, very busy. When we flew out we waited in line for quite a while. We never had to wait in the past.

The Navy had the docks full of ships and 6 to 8 more were moored just off shore. We watched many pallets of bombs being off loaded from one ship.

There were a bunch of B-52’s coming in that were painted flat black. I have not seen that before.

So are we headed to war again?”
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October 15, 2016 2:33pm
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  There were a bunch of B-52’s coming in that were painted flat black. I have not seen that before.
  
  A not unusual B-52 H model paint scheme.
  
  http://www.worldwide-military.com/Military%20Aircraft/US%20Bombers%20plaatjes/Groot/B-52H_006.jpg
  
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  October 15, 2016 2:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , nope ! Seems like a routine military exercises that often occur at Diego Garcia and elsewhere .
  
  Besides the US Nuclear triad also depends on ICBMS and Trident submarines of which they have an overwhelming advantage vis a vis Russia and even China . More likely to use those than B1s or B52s .
  
  Flat Black ? If true could be for any number of reasons but would like to see some visual confirmation .
  
  BTW still think M370 landed there hijacked by CIA Mossad ?
  
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  October 15, 2016 3:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Not a war, but an election delaying ploy. Just watch this space. Interestingly Diego Garcia is owned by the British and leased to the Yanks.
  
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  October 15, 2016 3:49pm
Sideoiler

Judge Lowell Goddard in the news again.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/home-office-covered-up-racism-of-abuse-judge-cpct9clq3
She is currently seeking legal advice.
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October 15, 2016 3:06pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  That Child Abuse Inquiry changes judges like underwear.
  
  Goddard finally broke the silence as to why she left. Pedophiles in power and their supporters don’t want an investigation.
  
  Now they are out to destroy her.
  
  The elite ranks in Britain are swarming with pedophiles and other power crazed degenerates. BBC is an illustrative example.
  
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  October 15, 2016 3:15pm
  - Reid
    
    Pedophiles in power and their supporters don’t want an investigation.
    
    Of course they don’t Kea, which is why they selected Goddard in the first place. An indolent, 3rd-rate legal mind capable only of becoming something in a tiny judicially corrupt backwater like NZ.
    
    The full story’s not been told there. I’m guessing even she couldn’t stomach covering up what she found, so she deliberately flailed around pretending not to see anything until her behaviour gave her the excuse she needed to recuse herself.
    
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    October 15, 2016 3:28pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Possibly – I don’t have any affection for any of our elite.
      
      But this is obviously a hatchet job on her.
      
      I guess she knows how Trump feels right now anyway, lol.
      
      Mind you she got a juicy consolation prize – the YUUUGE pay she was on all that time, while not doing much.
      
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      October 15, 2016 3:37pm
Reid

WWIII timeline:

http://www.tomatobubble.com/id686.html
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October 15, 2016 3:09pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Yep, its all building up to the Perfect Storm.
  
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  October 15, 2016 3:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jazz Hands McFeels and Reid , just keep us posted when the US fires the first ICBMS.
    
    Waiting, waiting , waiting…
    
    Reid ,John Mc Cain never met and negotiated with ISIS . A big fat lie !
    
    It was with the Free Syrian Army who oppose both ISIS and Assad .
    
    See myth 9 ,
    
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-myths-debunked_n_5875050.html
    
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    October 15, 2016 5:17pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

NBC is sitting on a tape implicating Hillary Clinton in a rape cover up:

“Michael Isikoff, who was a leading reporter during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, said in a Thursday discussion that NBC should release a 17-year-old tape of an interview that it conducted with Broaddrick. Broaddrick has long claimed that the interview that NBC aired edited out her claim that Hillary Clinton was involved in quashing Broaddrick’s rape claims.”

http://freebeacon.com/politics/michael-isikoff-nbc-release/

Trump is just a player, bragging to guys in the locker room, flirting with the ladies, hardly a crime.

Bill Clinton is a rapist, and Killary is his enabler.
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October 15, 2016 3:19pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jazz-Hands Mc Feels,
  
  Juanita Broaddrick Telling the Truth?
  
  1. A married woman already having an affair with another man, brings Clinton to her hotel room?
  
  2. There were no witnesses that saw Clinton enter or exit the hotel?
  
  3. In 1997, she signs an affidavit saying nothing happened to her.
  
  4. In 1998, she says Clinton assaulted her 17 yrs ago, but doesn’t remember the date?
  
  5. She attended a fundraiser for him 3 weeks after the alleged assault?
  
  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1999/03/is_juanita_broaddrick_telling_the_truth.html
  
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  October 15, 2016 5:42pm
cha

Shit….

Terrifying video captures great white shark breaking open diver's cage with diver still inside off Mexico coast. https://t.co/aJHmbWQ4ak pic.twitter.com/rqktLFxOo4— ABC News (@ABC) October 14, 2016

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/786889046865776640
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October 15, 2016 3:33pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I still cant comprehend why anyone would dangle themselves like a morsel, cage or not, in front of a killing machine honed by 10s of millions of years of Darwinian evolution.
  
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  October 15, 2016 3:41pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

ANOTHER witness steps forward denying ANOTHER sex attack accusation against Trump:

“A specific portion of the People Magazine story by Natasha Stoynoff is now being disputed by the man she claims witnessed part of the alleged assault:

…I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself. The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview.

Although she doesn’t name names, the “longtime butler” to whom Stoynoff refers is likely Anthony Senecal. However, Senecal has come out swinging against the accusation:

No, that never happened. Come on, that’s just bull crap…Everybody is just jumping on the train…I think you’re going to see even more of it between now and the election. But these incidents never happened.
”
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9962/butler-who-natasha-stoynoff-claims-burst-trump-frank-camp#.WAFumTm_jkU.twitter
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October 15, 2016 3:42pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Another witness steps forward to debunk another sex attack accusation by Trumps enemies:

”

…I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself. The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview.

Although she doesn’t name names, the “longtime butler” to whom Stoynoff refers is likely Anthony Senecal. However, Senecal has come out swinging against the accusation:

No, that never happened…”

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9962/butler-who-natasha-stoynoff-claims-burst-trump-frank-camp#.WAFumTm_jkU.twitter
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October 15, 2016 3:45pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Another witness steps forward to debunk another sexual attack accusation by Trumps enemies:

”

…I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself. The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview.

Although she doesn’t name names, the “longtime butler” to whom Stoynoff refers is likely Anthony Senecal. However, Senecal has come out swinging against the accusation:

No, that never happened…”

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9962/butler-who-natasha-stoynoff-claims-burst-trump-frank-camp#.WAFumTm_jkU.twitter
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October 15, 2016 3:46pm
sooty

Spain has not had a goverment for 300 days. In our system who is the caretaker goverment? The ones going out or the ones coming in?
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October 15, 2016 4:37pm
Johnboy

Justin Lester….. Public memorial service for Helen Kelly?

Much as I feel very sad about her death I fail to see why the rate payers should be asked to finance a left-wing junket.

You got what you voted for Wellington and I suspect you will regret it before too long! 🙂
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October 15, 2016 4:47pm
- Reid
  
  Yeah agree mate. I’m not sure how sad I feel. About as much as I feel about any of the other hundred or so people who passed away the other day I think..
  
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  October 15, 2016 5:06pm
- Happychappy
  
  I wonder how much union money will poured into this without authority from its members.
  
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  October 15, 2016 5:32pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Happy Chappy ,petty and vindictive sniping .
    
    Reid , totally devoid of any moral feelings . Don’t you feel the Pike River Miners and their families deserved anyone to represent their concerns?Nor Forestry workers and their families the same ?
    
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    October 15, 2016 6:44pm
    - Manolo
      
      The answer is No!
      
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      October 15, 2016 6:56pm
    - Reid
      
      stupidboy, the point was that everyone is important not that no-one is.
      
      But society tends to treat certain deaths as more worthy than others, and that’s bollocks.
      
      So you see stupidboy, I was in fact being much, much, much more humane than you, in decrying the special treatment accorded to Helen’s death.
      
      Wasn’t I.
      
      Here’s a poem I’ve quoted many times here on the occasion of a death, one that is most eloquent and aposite. I therefore don’t expect you’ll understand it. In fact I suspect you won’t even know how properly to pronounce the author’s name, you’ll probably hallucinate also it’s sexist, and you’re probably right now as you read this, googling the meaning of aposite.
      
      No man is an island,
      Entire of itself,
      Every man is a piece of the continent,
      A part of the main.
      If a clod be washed away by the sea,
      Europe is the less.
      As well as if a promontory were.
      As well as if a manor of thy friend’s
      Or of thine own were:
      Any man’s death diminishes me,
      Because I am involved in mankind,
      And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
      It tolls for thee.
      
      John Donne
      
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      October 15, 2016 6:57pm
      - Gabby
        
        It’s not a poem: it’s from a sermon.
        
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        October 16, 2016 8:06pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Ask the Unions how much money or food they are giving the poor or the homeless ,i am not slagging Helen i am anti what the Union do with their members money
      
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      October 16, 2016 2:39pm
    - Gabby
      
      Course he doesn’t. He’s disappointed they weren’t fined for the equipment they never returned.
      
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      October 16, 2016 8:07pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Justin Lester may be onto something here. Each day we should select a “random person” from the public notices section of the newspaper, celebrate their passing in a respectful way, then serve up sausage rolls and pies – all funded by the ratepayers. We could call it KiwiDream so everyone will think it’s a good idea.
  
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  October 15, 2016 5:41pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Sausage rolls and pies would surely be regarded as unsuitable food to be served at council inspired memorial services Nostra….contributing to folks deaths etc…etc.
    
    Lentils, salad and fruit ( organic/non GM) will be deemed far more satisfactory I suspect. 🙂
    
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    October 15, 2016 5:49pm
  - Reid
    
    celebrate their passing in a respectful way
    
    You mean with a taxpayer funded A&P show every day all over the country so we don’t feel sad anymore?
    
    It’s a much better idea than a stupid cycleway anyway. I mean, has anyone ever seen anyone ever using those things?
    
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    October 15, 2016 7:04pm
Captain Mainwaring

Why is this news?
Come on, it’s West Auckland at its best.
Move on.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85347683/avondale-bowling-club-warned-to-change-its-drinking-culture-and-focus-on-sport
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October 15, 2016 5:14pm
- Reid
  
  What about if your sport is power-drinking? (Which mine is, BTW.) I’m looking forward to when it’s in the Olympics, it’s much more entertaining than those stupid ribbon-twirling gymnastic or swimming-leg-in-air-parallel things…
  
  We’re just not advanced enough yet, in our thinking, but one day…
  
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  October 15, 2016 7:05pm
RF

I can just see a new thread starting in a few months time………Impeach the criminal President Hillary Clinton
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October 15, 2016 5:28pm
sooty

What was the reaction to Far Goff’s first offical role at the remembrance pararade for the Pashendale battle veterans. Did anyone object.
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October 15, 2016 6:02pm
Manolo

The Green nutter speaks against the crook:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html
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October 15, 2016 7:03pm
- Reid
  
  Jill Stein is actually extremely lucid and articulate Manolo.
  
  I realise this is hard to believe but she is.
  
  My theory is it takes a gene pool 100 times the size of ours before something rational emerges from the primordial green soup.
  
  Clearly the rest of the Western nations have a long way to go before anything like that happens here, so we’d best get breeding with our kind vigorously and immediately.
  
  The paradox being of course this is precisely what our own Green politicians are urging us not to do, lest we incinerate ourselves in an inferno of carbon-induced climate change or accidentally breed a proud, patriotic nation of white people who want to kick out all the darkies.
  
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  October 15, 2016 7:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , are suggesting that Jill Stein is some kind of Green National Socialist with leanings towards maybe like you , eugenics ?
    
    Absolute garbage that Hillary Clinton wants to start a Nuclear war over Syria unless of course your into CT theory which Trump seems more inclined these days .
    
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    October 15, 2016 8:56pm
    - Reid
      
      Reid , are suggesting that Jill Stein is some kind of Green National Socialist with leanings towards maybe like you , eugenics ?
      
      No, what the fuck makes you think I’m suggesting that, stupidboy?
      
      Absolute garbage that Hillary Clinton wants to start a Nuclear war over Syria
      
      What does that have to do with Jill Stein, stupidboy?
      
      Why can’t you ever reply to the actual thing under discussion, stupidboy?
      
      Do you think I enjoy calling you stupidboy, stupidboy? But I’m forced to, aren’t I, stupidboy. If you weren’t so stupid, I wouldn’t need to call you stupidboy quite so often, would I, stupidboy.
      
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      October 15, 2016 9:06pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , dipstick. Jill Stein in her own words and from Manolo’s link that you have so much favourable regard ,
        
        “Under Hillary Clinton, we could slide into nuclear war very quickly from her declared policy in Syria. “
        
        Interestingly she believes Trump is just as lethal as Clinton on this issue .Perhaps only very slightly so.
        
        Thoughts ?
        
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        October 15, 2016 9:23pm
      - Reid
        
        Thoughts ?
        
        Er…
        
        You’re an idiot?
        
        Apart from that stupidboy and just to clarify, I haven’t even read Manolo’s link and I wasn’t referring to it, as you seem to hallucinate I was.
        
        No. I was simply talking generally about my observations of Jill from many other clips and articles I’ve read on her. You see stupidboy, I do read a lot, even about people of which I disagree. Unlike you.
        
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        October 15, 2016 9:54pm
      - starboard
        
        “You’re an idiot?”
        
        Damn, beat me to it
        
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        October 16, 2016 4:16pm
Happychappy

It looks like Winston has had his fancy tickled by the Green leaders Policy on Immigration,i realize Winston has a history of saying the greens or me so his agreement to what Policy they have announced might have National pressing the panic button
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October 15, 2016 7:05pm
Manolo

Will the crook Clinton pass?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/301181-trump-calls-for-drug-test-before-debate
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October 16, 2016 6:54am
Manolo

On the crook’s speeches:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-15/here-are-hillary-clintons-three-speeches-goldman-sachs-which-she-was-paid-675000
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October 16, 2016 11:55am
Manolo

Once a refined city:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3839636/Footage-shows-Paris-covered-rubbish-left-African-migrants.html

A filmmaker has captured footage revealing trail of devastation left behind by migrants forced to live on the street in the middle of Paris.

An anonymous Frenchman wearing a hidden camera recorded the aftermath of a raid on a migrant camp on Avenue de Flandre in the north of the French capital.
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October 16, 2016 12:44pm
starboard

Why do we pay the Police? Why are the Police standing still while this sort of shit happens? Don’t get me wrong, I say good on the gangs, fantastic..but where do you draw the line? Should Tribal Huk be taking over NZ Police..have NZ Police become stagnant, so smothered in PC worship that they are can no longer carry out their duties in a proper manner ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85386340/tribal-huk-clears-ngaruawahia-of-p-dealers-as-promised
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October 16, 2016 12:55pm
Viking2

Every day a male co-worker walks up very close to a lady at the coffee machine, inhales a big breath of air and tells her that her hair smells nice. After a week of this she can’t stand it anymore, takes her complaint to a Supervisor in the personnel department and asks to file a sexual harassment grievance against him. The Human Resources supervisor is puzzled, and asks: “What’s threatening about a co-worker telling you your hair smells nice?” The woman replies: “It’s Frank, the midget.”
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October 16, 2016 4:44pm
Viking2

A woman and baby are in the doctors surgery, the doc is concerned about the babys weight, “Is he bottle fed or breast fed? The woman replies, “Breast fed.” The doc gets her to strip down to her waist so he can examine her breasts. He pinches her nipples and sucks and rubs both breasts for a while … “No wonder the baby is underweight, you have no milk.” Woman replies, “I know, Im his granny … but Im glad I came!”
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October 16, 2016 5:14pm
Manolo

A sheriff for Trump:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke-pitchforks-torches-time-twitter
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October 16, 2016 6:57pm
nasska

In spite of all the recent advances in Satnav technology I’m still waiting for
one that has an “avoid state house area” option.
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October 16, 2016 8:04pm
Viking2

A chicken farmer went to a local bar, sat next to a woman and ordered a glass of champagne. The woman perked up and said, “How about that? I just ordered a glass of champagne, too!” “What a coincidence” the farmer said. “This is a special day for me, I am celebrating.” “This is a special day for me too, I am also celebrating,” said the woman. “What a coincidence!” said the farmer. As they clinked glasses he added, “What are you celebrating?” “My husband and I have been trying to have a child, and today my gynaecologist told me that I am pregnant!” “What a coincidence!” said the man. “I’m a chicken farmer and for years all of my hens were infertile, but today they are all laying fertilized eggs.” “That’s great!” said the woman, “How did your chickens become fertile?” “I used a different ****,” he replied. The woman smiled, clinked his glass and said, “What a coincidence!”
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October 16, 2016 8:34pm
nasska

Two guys are chatting in their hospital beds;
“What are you in for?” said the first,
“Camera down the throat” the other replied,
“Oh, endoscopy?” the first man asked,
“Yes” he said “Checking for stomach cancer. What about you?”
“Camera up the arse” he said,
“Oh, colonoscopy, checking for bowel cancer?” quizzed the second man,
“No, my neighbour was sunbathing and my wife caught me taking a photo.”
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October 16, 2016 8:45pm
Viking2

A rich 40 year-old American woman decided to get married, but she wanted her husband to be a virgin and to never had been with a woman all of his life. After some years of pointless searching, she didn’t found anyone with this description and forced to give an ad to the paper. A month later, she met with an Australian man who had never been with a woman before in his life and she married him immediately. On the first night of their wedding and before they lay down, she went for a quick fresh up and then went back to the bedroom, happy. When she entered the room she stood steal… She saw her husband naked to the center of the room and all the furniture on the corner of the room. “But.. What happened?” asked the woman obviously shocked. “Look.. I’ve never been with a woman, but if it’s the same as with the kangaroo, then I’ll need the whole room to catch you!”
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