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Andrei

Let’s start the day as we mean to go on
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October 14, 2016 8:02am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Very good Comrade Andrei 😀
  
  What a circus the US Presidential Election campaign has become. Little wonder the US has a problem with creepy clowns!
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:05am
  - Andrei
    
    Christiane Amanpour just interviewed Sergei Lavrov, a moment of diplomatic sheer joy from that interview
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:14am
    - Manolo
      
      I’m unable to read Russian, mate! 🙂
      
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      October 14, 2016 9:52am
- Jack5
  
  Большое спасибо!
  
  (Thank you to Google Translate)
  
  😉
  
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  October 14, 2016 11:06am
stigie

Ok Full Trough, lets see how big your testicles are..?
Demand Penny Bright to pay her rates and arrears or sell the hovel in School Rd Kingsland. You owe it to the people of Auckland who she’s been bludging off for the last 9 years and making a mockery of the Auckland Council !~
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October 14, 2016 8:04am
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Full Trough” – very good. It’s a perfect nickname for someone who has supped at the public well since 1981 😀
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:08am
- cmm
  
  Well he did state his time time as minister of defence as a pro. That’s a job that requires people make tough calls (who’s going to face being shot at etc).
  
  If the trousers are half as big as the mouth, Mzzz Bright should be served before the end of the month.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:14am
waikatogirl

Police called to a large group of Darwin award winners fighting in Mangere last night. Two numpties in hospital, one possibly stabbed.
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October 14, 2016 8:04am
- cmm
  
  Just fence off the whole area for a couple of nights then send in a few fire engines to hose the place clean.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:08am
  - kowtow
    
    What , and have the rest of the country miss out on the local “colour” that this diversity dividend is paying out so generously?
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      Ok, put up a couple of quadcopters and sream it to TAB so we can place bets.
      
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      October 14, 2016 7:44pm
cmm

Stuff outstuffing themselves again: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85329846/convicted-murderer-and-sex-offender-phillip-smith-was-running-a-computer-suite

“Some computers were found to contain pornography, software, and pirated movies, RNZ reported.”

A computer with software on it…. OMG!

Do the journalists at RNZ photosynthesize?
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October 14, 2016 8:06am
- Viking2
  
  I think you missed the bit that said “game”software.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:08am
  - cmm
    
    That is a direct quote from the article.
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:10am
    - itstricky
      
      They’ve just misquoted the original RNZ piece, which started a list with ‘pirated’. You’d hope for more from your editor, subeditor, or whomever does the QA these days with quick release items.
      
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      October 14, 2016 9:08am
Viking2

And some people are born to rule troughers.

Newly-elected Hurunui District councillor Julia McLean will take baby to meetings if childcare costs not subsidised

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/85299531/newlyelected-canterbury-councillor-wants-her-child-care-costs-covered
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So 3 kids and got herself elected and now wants the ratepayers to subsidize her life some more.
Bet she didn’t tell the ratepayers before getting elected.
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October 14, 2016 8:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Yes; that was my thought too Viking; did she not do due diligence about the requirements of the role and the remuneration?
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:10am
  - cmm
    
    Question: Do you really want someone with such limited decision making abilities as a councilor playing with your rates like it’s a game of Monopoly?
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:47am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Let me guess, she stood on an environmental platform and will vote for the living wage…
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:11am
- CHFR
  
  Check out the Stuff comments, not much sympathy there.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:35am
  - ross411
    
    The stuff comments are usually suprisingly reasonable. Upvoted posts generally have less hyperbole than kiwiblog comments, and less hate than the standard comments.
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:54am
- Sideoiler
  
  So 3 kids and got herself elected and now wants the ratepayers to subsidize her life some more.
  
  But I have a vagina and I demand equality.
  
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  October 14, 2016 11:29am
  - sooty
    
    By election!
    
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    October 14, 2016 2:14pm
    - Viking2
      
      By Erection.
      Fixed that
      
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      October 14, 2016 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

““I’m a Dylan fan, but this is an ill conceived nostalgia award wrenched from the rancid prostates of senile, gibbering hippies,”

Irvine Welsh

http://www.scotsman.com/news/irvine-welsh-slams-nobel-prize-award-for-bob-dylan-1-4257629
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October 14, 2016 8:09am
- itstricky
  
  I can see his point, that music isn’t strictly literature, but it is poetry. What other category would a musician come under? Just the Peace prize?
  
  I wonder if he had something to lose, and then he lost it, so to speak.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:14am
  - cmm
    
    Talking about peace prizes…. Obama – that dove of peace who sent Clinton into the Middle East.
    
    Nobel would spin in his grave if he knew what became of his legacy.
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:50am
- Jack5
  
  From a comment on this Nobel Prize on Slipped Disc:
  
  Dylan is obviously an excellent song lyricist, but only a complete imbecile could put his lyrics on the same level as the work of a great novelist or a great poet. Divorced from the music, most of his “songs” are clumsy, sloppy and generally lacking the precision and formal control you expect from the best writers. They read as if they were knocked out in a hotel room, while waiting for the bath to fill.
  
  The award should be designated for Dylan’s nose lyrics, a sort of parallel to Mongolian throat singing. Dylan sings through his nose, and the words had to be very plain basic English – a cheap imitation of the King James version language – so at least some of us, in the mob, could understand what the hell he was on about.
  
  Apart from that, Dylan was a shallow peacenik, whose songs of peace contrast starkly with the suffering of hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese refugees.
  
  These people, fleeing the South Vietnam defeat that was contributed to so strongly by Dylan and his Flower Power peacenik mates round the Western world, endured hell as they fled in leaky tubs, preyed on by pirates and human-vulture “fishermen” of south-east Asia.
  
  I guess, however, Dylan’s prize isn’t as bad as the Nobels for Yasser Arafat, Al Gore, and North Vietnam’s Le Duc Tho, who rejected the prize because he reckoned peace agreements were breached.
  
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  October 14, 2016 11:34am
Awww C-mon

Two wrongs do not make a right, but when one of those wrongs is beating the shit out of a meth dealer I am willing to be forgiving…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11728767
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October 14, 2016 8:10am
- cmm
  
  I think three wrongs would make it more right.
  
  Beat the meth dealer twice.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:16am
Inandout

PH sometimes drops sensible remarks into his dialogue. Discussing the Clinton led tidal wave of ‘sexual assaults’ by Trump, some going back almost 40 years, Paul reminded us that 90% of US print media are Hillary supporting socialists. We now wait for the ‘Hager Effect’ on scandal weary voters.
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October 14, 2016 8:11am
EAD

Win or lose, Trump is proving to be a force for good in this election in so far as he is shifting the Overton window no matter how much the MSM try and manipulate us. He might actually be the real deal in terms of being against the establishment:

Donald Trump said that it was a great mistake to bomb Yugoslavia in 1999, and that Bill Clinton’s administration “made a mess in the Balkans

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=10&dd=13&nav_id=99404

This is what we all deep down knew at the time but wouldn’t admit to ourselves as it would shatter the narrative we’d built ourselves of the USA always being the good guys.

The ugly truth is that the people who run the USA were backing the Muslims instead of the Serbian Christians.
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October 14, 2016 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, absolute BS . I hope the media can dig up what Trump was thinking at the time on the Kosovo crises . Especially when he was such a good pal of the Clintons back in the 1990s .
  
  Also, recall his support for 2003 invasion of Iraq and bombing of Libya .The guy is so unprincipled and dishonest .
  
  I suppose the Szerbinca massacre of 8,000 Bosnian Muslims by Serbian Christians was also like the Jewish Holocaust a hoax ?
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:35am
  - EAD
    
    Stephieboy,
    
    you seem to have a very different vocabulary and sentence structure compared to your normal self.
    
    Everything OK?
    
    By the way, tell me what events led up to Srebrenica or was it a massacre of innocents as the MSM would have you believe?
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:41am
    - Jack5
      
      EAD, the Stephies are a team.
      
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      October 14, 2016 12:26pm
Awww C-mon

And on the subject of two wrongs don’t make a right… they were wrong in not just shooting this fucker in the first place

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11727445
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October 14, 2016 8:13am
- holysheet
  
  Who would know if a shot went astray and it hit this fucker in the chest instead of the leg? It’s a lot harder to shoot a leg or arm than the chest.
  Pity they didn’t do it, save the country all this TOW and Maori bullshit.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:21am
- waikatogirl
  
  Giving maori the idea they have the right to run a parallel society under the TOW and you get idiots like this challenging the rule of law.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:24am
  - kowtow
    
    “Two men in the back of the court loudly protested Justice Brewer’s ruling, and others in the public gallery yelled out that Justice Brewer was “bias” against the accused and had breached the Treaty of Waitangi and Maori Language Act.:
    
    The judge should have had them nicked for contempt. I’d wager these twats are more than happy to recognise the gummints’ authority when it comes to handouts and other taxpayer funded benefits that come with British colonialism and the Queens peace.
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:34am
  - calendar girl
    
    Such deliberate defiance, designed to sabotage the enforcement of NZ criminal law, creates a serious new challenge that needs to be confronted swiftly and firmly. We can now expect more such episodes from Maori intent on pursuing separatism.
    
    I hope that Amy Adams, Minister of Justice and Minister of Courts, is already working with her best judicial advisers on how such situations can be dealt with in a sensible and consistent manner. Leaving individual Judges with the freedom to devise their own individual strategies (for when they come across Rhys Warren imitators without warning) is not likely to bring about the best outcomes.
    
    Justice Tim Brewer dealt well with Warren’s insubordination in the present case.
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:55am
    - fernglas
      
      There is nothing new about these arguments; they have been raised many times and dismissed as many times. The Judges are well aware of them and know how to deal with them.
      
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      October 14, 2016 10:30am
- ross411
  
  Brown person wants special treatment, and white people are racist for not giving it to him. News at 11. 😆
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:03am
Manolo

The despicable MSM http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/wikileaks_reveals_exactly_how_the_clinton_campaign_bullies_seduces_manipulates_and_dominates_its_media_coverage.html

The operating procedures of media management, Clinton style, are being revealed, as the torrent of Wikileaks releases continues.
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October 14, 2016 8:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , the origin of those leaks ?
  
  Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech in record time
  The Russian outlet Sputnik briefly published a misleading article, but Trump had it before it was taken down
  
  “Republican nominee Donald Trump was awfully defensive during Sunday’s debate about the fact that Russian intelligence is almost certainly behind the Democratic National Committee hacks, which his campaign has grown so dependent upon to keep its flailing electoral efforts alive..”
  
  http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/russian-propaganda-on-wikileaks-makes-its-way-into-a-donald-trump-speech-in-record-time/
  
  I bet American Thinker won’t publish these kinds of details .
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:42am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Stephieboy, the 1980’s called and want their foreign policy of “hate the Russians” back.
    
    Don’t you have it on the best of all possible authority that the Russians are no threat and what with smart diplomacy and the clever diplomatic “reset” everything is just fine ? How could there be “reds under the beds” ?
    
    Surely that couldn’t have been a mistake could it ?
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    Trump’s funding the Russians now???
    
    I guess that’s why he Trump Vodka shut down. He was sending all of the vodka to Russia to bribe them.
    
    Bottom line with Putin is that he is showing leadership in his part of the world. Whether you agree with Putin or not – at least he is being effective. That is the bit that Trump respects.
    
    In this post-cold war era, sabre rattling with Russia (like Clinton is doing) is not very bright.
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “Trump’s funding the Russians now???”
      Nah, in a round about way Obama’s Ransom money is. Cash to Iran becomes cash to Russia for tech.
      ‘Russia has completed the delivery of S-300 air defense missile systems to Iran, RIA news agency quoted Russia’s state arms export agency as saying on Thursday.’
      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-iran-missiles-idUSKCN12D0Z2
      
      Quite a few players are going to do quite well out of that cash.
      
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      October 14, 2016 9:32am
  - Inandout
    
    Stephie give us a break, Amanda Marcotte is an avowed feminist and Clinton hugger. She also runs a mile when confronted with questions like why feminists are strangely quiet when someone mentions the cruelty women suffer under Islam. Or she replies that Muslim women must be happy with their lot because they ‘don’t complain’.
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:01am
  - Ross12
    
    Keep going on about the Russians stephieboy(s) and yet you had the arrogance to ask me last night for evidence about the deteriorating relations between the USA and Russia. Your masters at Democrats headquarters are demonstrating it every day of the campaign.
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:06am
- Paulus
  
  The socialist media will not take any notice or publish anything which might hurt the new liar queen when she gets elected.
  God help the World – but he will not as there is not dollars in it.
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:49am
kowtow

More diversity dividend in Germany.

“The rivalry between the long-established Hells Angels gang from Frankfurt and its counterpart from Giessen, whose members are mainly of Turkish descent, has led to clashes and shootings.”

http://www.dw.com/en/leader-of-german-hells-angels-faction-shot-dead/a-35991623
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October 14, 2016 8:17am
kowtow

Why aren’t the so called human rights activists up in arms over this? You can be sure if it was a whitey ruled country like South Africa was,they would be.

“The long-awaited final appeal of a Christian woman sentenced to death under Pakistan’s controversial blasphemy laws has been adjourned after a judge said he could not hear the case.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/asia-bibi-pakistan-blasphemy-law-appeal-adjourned-judge-pulls-out
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October 14, 2016 8:22am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow ,
  
  And Amnesty International have right behind Asia Bibi from the beginning ,
  
  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/10/pakistan-upholding-blasphemy-death-sentence-against-christian-woman-grave-injustice/
  
  Her Facebook support page ,Save Asia Bibi
  
  https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=176245899053558&id=154908417886823
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:51am
Happychappy

Andrew Little might have had a good day at the Police Conference and with the Media yesterday but Judith Collins and Bill English made the top echelon of Labour MPs look out of their depth. Jacinda and Phil were made to incompetent when trying to make stupid statements
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October 14, 2016 8:32am
- Kabull
  
  Does anyone know why Jacinda’s question yesterday (No.6) has been removed from the Parliament replay website?
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:32am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Neighhhhh
    
    (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:37am
Paulus

Why is it that a year out from the next General Election that every Union is now out to bugger the Country.
Andy must be revelling in all the strikes that are now being orchestrated by the unions.

But Andy be careful – the public, unlike those shown on the media, will soon get very pissed off with these deliberately disruptively aimed strikes.
Young Doctors – you knew what you signed up for when you became a doctor – get the job and bitch later. Bus Drivers do not have to drive buses if they do not like the employment terms.

Simply, if you do not like the rules of the club – do not join.

Angry perhaps you are shooting too early – but recognising that the unions can always find an excuse to strike. It may well backfire.
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October 14, 2016 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  Not just the unions. TVNZ news is also carrying the banner for these causes. It’s not journalism , it’s activism. Same with 3.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:02am
flipper

O’Reilly nails it – much to the discomfort of the wussy pussy panty waists in US and elsewhere:

” …. Thursday, October 13, 2016
Hacks Exposed…By Hacks

The media is not in love with Hillary Clinton; they are in hate with Donald Trump and will do whatever it takes to keep him out of the White House.
In his farewell address at the end of his presidency, Dwight Eisenhower warned of an ominous ‘military-industrial complex’ that could endanger our ‘democratic processes.’

Well, today our democratic processes are more than just endangered. They are under full assault by another unholy alliance that can be pithily described as the ‘Media-Democratic Party Complex.’

Every day we are bombarded with new revelations from Wikileaks, whose email hacks illustrate the way-beyond-cozy relationship between powerful media figures and top Democrats.

Party hacks and their lapdog media hacks claim the emails were stolen by Russians and therefore lack credibility.

In legal terms, it’s the ‘Fruit of the Poisonous Tree’ argument. But this is not a court of law, it’s the court of public opinion, and the fruit is especially rotten. ………..
Continue reading on BillOReilly.com
BillOReilly.com
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October 14, 2016 8:51am
- ross411
  
  It’s a sad day when Bill O’Reilly is one of the few voices of reason.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  The media is not in love with Hillary Clinton; they are in hate with Donald Trump and will do whatever it takes to keep him out of the White House.
  
  It doesn’t seem to be working with Florida’s absentee voting thus far:
  
  https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:40am
alloytoo

Green Party Co-Leader went into a battle of wits with the PM yesterday….unarmed.
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October 14, 2016 8:53am
- ross411
  
  More details required.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:08am
  - alloytoo
    
    The one that speaks Maori phonetically from paper.
    
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    October 14, 2016 11:17am
- cmm
  
  Which one? Co vagina or co penis?
  
  Not that either could really arm themselves well…
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:56am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    The one with a vagina has bigger balls than the one with a penis. And the one with a penis can be a bit of a c**t.
    
    No wonder the party is screwed.
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:28am
- RalphT
  
  And using the term wits in the context of the Greens leadership is stretching credibility.
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:03am
- alloytoo
  
  my mistake, apparently it was wednesday
  
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  October 14, 2016 11:53am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Green Party Co-Leader went into a battle of wits with the PM yesterday….unarmed
    
    It was a day ending in “Y”
    😀
    
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    October 14, 2016 1:04pm
- ross411
  
  This?
  
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  October 14, 2016 1:36pm
Scott

I just think that there could be another twist in the tail of the presidential election?

According to the latest Rasmussen poll Trump has taken the lead over Hillary by 2 points.

The media are against Trump, they are in collusion with the Democratic party and wealthy donors to defeat Trump and yet Trump is still a force to be reckoned with.

I really hope he wins. Imagine the anguish at CNN??
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October 14, 2016 8:59am
- Ross12
  
  Scott, even if he doesn’t win he will achieved something for the USA political system. He has too many people asking about what is going with their country.( as outlined with flipper’s comment above) That will not go away even though the elite will try to sweep it under the carpet. It won’t surprise me to see another significant party arise “out of the ashes” of this election.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:12am
  - ross411
    
    Wishful thinking. I think it’s going to be the two party system and their two party debates for many years yet. At least in New Zealand, Labour is self-destructing and there’s a chance for new opposition parties.
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:17am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Yeah I wish they would bury the corpse already. It’s been a long bloody tangi.
      
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      October 14, 2016 9:26am
    - Ross12
      
      You are possibly right ross411, but change has to start somewhere. In technology/science/business they talk about disrupter technology or moments.
      This election has been so different on many levels , it could be a start.
      The Tea Party seems to have been a fizzer but if a more centrist party came along it could get some traction –it may take a few election cycles but who knows —Trump has shown that you can use social media to get around the MSM.
      
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      October 14, 2016 9:39am
- Inandout
  
  Whether Trump wins or not, the damage done to the US media by their unashamed bias in favour of Hillary will prove to be ultimately fatal. America hasn’t seen anything like this since William Randolph Hearst’s media corruption, and who once quoted:
  ‘You can crush a man with journalism’.
  
  But even at his most devious, Hearst came nowhere near to what the US media churns out now.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:30am
  - cmm
    
    Pre-internet/social media the media were the fact checkers. They were the people who had the time, access and communications mechanisms to dig deeper, find out more and inform people.
    
    That made them vulnerable to being paid off. All those lovely advertising dollars they get from political campaigns feeds the machine.
    
    They also got lazy.
    
    Now we can independently fact check everything they say, people (like Trump) can find other ways of getting their message across without spending on advertising. That threatens their business model.
    
    The stupid thing with the left (and the media) is that they never change the way they work. They just double down. The worse trust in the media gets, the more they lie and deceive and the worse it gets.
    
    One thing is for sure, media influence and bias has been exposed and the whole industry is going to come out of this worse than ever before.
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:05am
    - Ross12
      
      cmm
      
      Is this the sort of fact checking you are thinking of
      
      http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CpRiKH1XEAAxm9B.jpg
      
      (NB. I have no idea how real it is , but it certainly is the sort of exercise that a credible news outlet should do)
      
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      October 14, 2016 11:48am
virtualmark

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/85288429/fire-truck-driver-to-find-out-if-collision-with-a-car-makes-him-careless

His big problem is that he wasn’t a promising rugby player …
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October 14, 2016 9:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Guilty for driving a big fire engine slowly through a red light with siren going and lights flashing and getting hit by a driver who was oblivious to what was going on.
  That is the reason why emergency vehicles have these warning devices. Might as well remove them.
  Absolutely dumb decision, and apparently the volunteer fireman got no support from the fire service.
  Pathetic.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:28am
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, no, not necessarily.
    
    As per the ambulance driver who killed an old lady with hearing and sight problems a number of years ago,
    
    http://tvnz.co.nz/content/38316/2591764.xhtml
    
    …even if an emergency vehicle has the lights and siren on, that does not absolve the driver of the need to take appropriate care – especially as they are often traveling at high speed and going through intersections.
    
    I know in this case his lawyer argued he was not at fault, but it would appear the facts said otherwise. Hence why he likely got no support from the fire service.
    
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    October 14, 2016 2:07pm
    - Flash
      
      Just wait until someone dies because the fire engine driver was obeying the traffic lights –
      
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      October 15, 2016 11:09pm
- virtualmark
  
  Follow-up number 1: If you were a bright-eyed back bencher looking to raise your profile wouldn’t you be starting work straight away on a private members bill giving emergency vehicles full right-of-way provided they have their horns sounding & lights flashing ?
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:36am
- virtualmark
  
  Follow-up number 2: Might the opportunity to get such a change to the law be the reason the Police didn’t use their discretion to not prosecute the firey?
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:37am
kowtow

Little and Co ( including Collins) can promise all the police they like but as long as we have piss weak sentencing like this our violent crime rates will continue to soar. To be effective we need to bring back the noose.

“An Auckland man who stomped and kicked his friend to death has been sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum non-parole period of 13 years.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11728130
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October 14, 2016 9:21am
- ross411
  
  What wouldn’t have been piss-weak? Perhaps amputate his foot?
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:33am
  - kowtow
    
    His head.
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:38am
- cmm
  
  Unfortunately many cops have become piss-weak too.
  
  It’s basically the same effect as the Stockholm Syndrome: after dealing with scum and lowlife for a long time you build empathy for them.
  
  I bet that this was not the stomper’s first violent act. Instead of being handled vigorously be was tagged and released and left to cause mayhem until it went too far.
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:14am
grumpy

….Euthenasia, and so it keeps going, the slippery slope to compulsion.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/720883/Euthanasia-granted-Holland-completed-life-Dutch-Suicide
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October 14, 2016 9:33am
Manolo

Cut the cord and let the bloody Scots go their own way and joind the EU. Just let them go broke.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/13/scotland-plans-new-independence-referendum-from-uk-over-brexit.html
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October 14, 2016 9:42am
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh dear, looks like Ms Sturgeon is going to keep at it until she gets the result she wants. Unfortunately for her the last Poll I saw , the Scots wanted to stay.
  They know where their Benefits come from.
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:07am
Manolo

Latinos (Univision) for the crook:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-10-13/-10-million-says-hillary-wins

Saban, who’s worth $3.7 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, has two targets at the moment. He wants to take Univision public. He and a group of private equity investors bought the network for $12.3 billion in 2007, when it was a solely Spanish-language operation, and have transformed it into a bilingual platform aimed increasingly at young, multiethnic viewers.

His other goal is to elect Hillary Clinton president.
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October 14, 2016 9:45am
- virtualmark
  
  Well when the other presidential candidates says the Latino audience that underpins your business are rapists and criminals then who do you think you’re going to support???!!!???
  
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  October 14, 2016 1:40pm
Manolo

Marie Antoinette exposed:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/13/michelle_obama_says_she_s_never_heard_anything_like_trump
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October 14, 2016 9:47am
- All_on_Red
  
  Riiiiight, yet Kanye West has been in the White House. Hasn’t she ever listened to the lyrics in his songs?
  Or Rap music in general.
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:09am
AgentBallSack

Sneaky Messiah, Dealing with the Devil

…. in 2012, in a scene that can only be described as bizarre and chilling, Obama sat with Russian President Dimitry Medvedev and when he thought no one could hear him, the following exchange took place: Obama said, “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it is important for him [Vladimir Putin] to give me space… this is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.” Medvedev replied, “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”
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October 14, 2016 10:02am
- stephieboy
  
  ABS, the author of the article ,
  
  Scott Wheeler
  Mr. Wheeler is an author, producer, Army veteran, former investigative journalist and GOP Trust Executive Director
  
  Interesting !
  
  “Putin warns Romania, Poland over implementing US missile shield”
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/28/putin-warns-romania-poland-over-implementing-us-missile-shield.html
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:08am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I saw who the author is.
    What does that matter? All authors in the US are partisan to one extent or the other. Doesn’t mean he’s not telling the truth.
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:12am
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS, it is a reminder that someone like Scott Wheeler has certain biases which may colour his thinking just as much if he was a Democrat Trust Executive Director .
      
      I would be a little bit more discerning and judicious selecting sources if I was you .
      
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      October 14, 2016 10:29am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I would be a little bit more discerning and judicious selecting sources if I was you
        
        Thanks stephie, I will take that advice on board.
        
        (Insert “rolling on floor laughing my ass off” icon)
        
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        October 14, 2016 10:37am
- AgentBallSack
  
  In June 2010, the FBI arrested ten Russian spies who had been living in the U.S. for years as a spy ring. These Russian agents had established relations with both Obama officials and Clinton officials. According to press reports, their covert mission was to recruit members of the administration who might be helpful to Russia. Captured spies are usually kept in prison for years, isolated and interrogated. This is to find out who they work for, who they have been in contact with in the U.S., what information about our national security they may have reported back to Moscow, and who was supervising them. Not only was none of this done by Obama and Clinton, the spies were immediately returned to a hero’s welcome in Moscow with all but an apology from Obama for capturing them. The Clinton State Department officials inexplicably boasted to the media about how great a relationship they had with Russia, after handing them the best gift one nation could give another. The word “appeasement” falls so woefully as a description for the Obama-Clinton surrender to Russia.
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:10am
  - Andrei
    
    LOL – you don’t think the USA has spies in Russia or that when they get caught they don’t get sent back to the USA
    
    Its a game mate that has been going on since before you were born – most of it we don’t get to see
    
    Those who are American citizens selling secrets to Russia go to jail but Russians get repatriated – it works the same way in Russia for the simple reason it suits both sides
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:24am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Of course but as that article points out – Putin is being held out as the great threat to America, especially under a Trump presidency when in actual fact he has been very helpful to the Messiah and his bag lady.
      
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      October 14, 2016 10:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, there is nothing new about the trade offs that often occur in international espionage that you attempt to rather sensationally and inaccurately present .
    
    The famous spy exchange between U2 pilot Gary Powers and US leading KGB operative Rudolf Abel comes to mind . it was dramatised and accurately portrayed by Steven Spielberg in “Bridge of Spies “,
    
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3682448/
    
    Very good movie .
    
    BTW could you kindly link the claims you made in your spiel ?
    
    Also ,do you think Obama should of water boarded those Russin spies along Trump’s lines ?
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:47am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Stephie in case you missed this one glaring fact in your statement:
      
      Trump has never been Commander in Chief. Therefore no waterboardings have been ordered by, or performed under his tenure.
      
      Your mate Obama though…..
      
      EDIT. Links are in the opening comment to the article on Forbes.
      
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      October 14, 2016 11:21am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      stephie says:
      
      that you attempt to rather sensationally and inaccurately present
      
      Are you trying to break my irony meter pal? I can’t take much more before I shriek with uncontrolled hysterical laughter.
      
      Thanks for the humorous start to Friday though!
      
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      October 14, 2016 11:27am
Stars And Stripes

Tenants From Hell: Landlords Pay The Price
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11728428
“Angela Maynard, Tenants Protection Association Coordinator says
“”What you have to look at is the huge amount of rents that people are paying for a start – how are they going to be able to insure themselves?”
Maynard said landlords, who are charging rents “way outside” what was reasonable “really have no right to complain about it”.

Oh really lady.
So basically you are saying it is okay for a bunch of losers to wreck someone else’s house as they are victims of landlord exploitation and because he is a rich prick he deserves it.
All of these tenants destroying private and public rentals are just savages who will never have anything decent themselves so all they do is wreck what other decent people work for.
They should all be back in the jungle where they belong.
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October 14, 2016 10:06am
- cmm
  
  The costs have to be recovered somehow or the landlords can’t provide the service.
  
  If the bad tenants cannot be prosecuted and forced to pay for damages then the only other way those costs can be covered is to charge all tenants more.
  
  That just means the costs of bad tenants are moved onto good tenants.
  
  But that makes sense, I guess:
  * The cost of sick people is covered by healthy people.
  * The cost of the lazy is covered by hard working people.
  * The costs of single mothers is covered by married fathers.
  * The costs of Maori are covered by Pakeha.
  etc etc
  
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  October 14, 2016 10:22am
- starboard
  
  So long as my arse**** points downwards, I will never ever let any of my properties to anyone other than a white person.
  
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  October 14, 2016 12:19pm
Stars And Stripes

Secret cameras found in Waikato dairy sheds
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/country/315610/secret-cameras-found-in-waikato-dairy-sheds
“Dairy farmers are being urged to check their farms for hidden cameras after some Waikato farmers found them in their milking sheds.”

Not too hard to work out which haters and zealots would have done this.
Same people who have no proper work of their own so they spend all day trying to destroy someone else’s livelihood.
Be a damn shame if one of them get blown away by a farmer who thinks he is a stock rustler.
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October 14, 2016 10:37am
All_on_Red

Trump HAS to win Pennslyvania, so this is interesting, but why aren’t these numbers reflected in the Polls.
Actually, why aren’t the huge numbers who turn up to Trump rally’s and the poor numbers who go to Hillary’s reflected in the Polls too!
‘Almost 100,ooo Pennsylvania Democrats switched their party affiliation to Republican in the past ten months.
CBS Pittsburgh reports that 97,607 Pennsylvania voters made the switch from Democrat to Republican since the beginning of 2016, whereas 38,020 Republicans changed their party affiliation to Democrat.
“The surge in Republican registrations is nearly twice the number of newly registered Republicans compared to both the 2008 and 2012 numbers combined,” the Pennsylvania GOP said in a statement, calling their gains “historic.”
Since November 2015, the Pennsylvania GOP registered 243,139 new Republican voters.’
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/13/pennsylvania-republican-party-registers-over-243000-new-voters-including-nearly-100000-former-democrats/

243,139 new voters…
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October 14, 2016 10:47am
- mikenmild
  
  You might be falling for a bit of cherry-picking there, AoR.
  Yes, Trump has large crowds of excited true believers at his rallies. There is no doubt he has a committed core of voters.
  This does not necessarily translate into winning overall.
  As for Democrats changing allegiance in Pennsylvania, 538 gives Clinton an 88% chance of winning the state with the ‘now-cast’, with recent polls there giving here a 9-10 point lead. In 20012, Obama took Pennsylvania with 3 million votes to Romney’s 2.7 million.
  Even if 100,000 Democrats had changed side (remember, this is a Breitbart story) if might not be that significant.
  
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  October 14, 2016 11:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hi Mikey, you been away?
    The data is easy to find given the way people register in the US so not sure why Breitbart reporting on a CBS story puts the accuracy in doubt.
    Anyway, that’s a huge increase regardless. As you say Hillary has a 9-10 point lead, yet we also know she is not getting the same level of support Obama got from Blacks, Hispanics and Millennials so are the Obama vs Romney numbers valid? She’s a fair few points down from where Obama was and there seems to be low enthusiasm from those groups across the board- will they stay home? Add to that 243,000 new GOP voters?
    So the gap of 9-10 seems too big. I would have thought it closer.
    I guess we will know for sure Nov 8.
    
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    October 14, 2016 11:29am
    - Ross12
      
      All_on_Red
      
      I read a post from a trucker who had spent the last week or so doing thousands of miles (working!) around the mid-north east states. He said the interesting thing was didn’t see one “yard board”
      ( hoarding/signage) or bumper sticker for Clinton
      ( just a couple of “bought and paid for” signs).
      
      But for Trump: “Trump signs everywhere, even in MA and NY and NJ and PA! I even passed a predominately blue bus on I-287 with TRUMP in block letters on both ends and both sides. Plenty of people had made their own signs and many of them weren’t small ones either. ”
      
      He concluded his post “If enthusiasm and motivation win this election then Trump is going to be the next POTUS”
      
      Anecdotal but interesting.
      
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      October 14, 2016 12:12pm
      - ross411
        
        Upvote for the interesting anecdote, I don’t know which grinch didn’t like it.
        
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        October 14, 2016 1:44pm
      - sooty
        
        MSM don’t count! They are on her side.
        
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        October 14, 2016 2:02pm
Manolo

Would Palmie, Wellington or Dunedin do the same?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3836351/That-s-coming-Far-right-French-mayor-sparks-outrage-anti-migrant-posters-calling-referendum-allowing-refugees-stay-town.html
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October 14, 2016 11:17am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Eventually…
  
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  October 14, 2016 11:24am
- kowtow
  
  No Aotearoan mayor would have the balls to let the electorate decide what happens in their own towns.
  Quite the opposite, Mayor Cull, here in Daft Dunners (and I have to say much if not all of the Establishment ) recognised a big opportunity to dip into the taxpayers pocket by creating a refugee industry here.
  It must be the same around Europe. Thick politicians replacing the natives with hyper fecund Muslims just to keep GDP ticking over. It will end very badly for the natives.
  
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  October 14, 2016 12:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    kowtow, you seem to forget the benefits, the joys, multiculturalism brings to society, as our own Muslim stephieboy proclaims.
    
    It enriches our lives many times over, mate.
    
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    October 14, 2016 2:06pm
    - RalphT
      
      Thanks Manolo, you’ve convinced me. Do they make good pets and are they easily trained? If so perhaps you could send me one.
      
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      October 14, 2016 3:57pm
starboard

The worlds longest reigning monarch has died.
The King of Thailand dies aged 88 after a long illness. Interesting times ahead for Thailand. The Kings son Prince Maha will take over. He ain’t half as much revered as The King , infact he is quietly disliked by many Thais. Thailand is currently under military rule which makes the future even more interesting. Unfortunately I can see bumpy times ahead for Thailand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/85329608/thai-king-bhumibol-adulyadej-who-ruled-for-70-years-dies-at-88
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October 14, 2016 12:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Having a rethink about moving there starboard, or do you enjoy political instability?
  
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  October 14, 2016 12:46pm
  - starboard
    
    Yup, having a think about it. Mite just leave it for now and watch the dust settle. I have a horrible feeling that this may be the start of not nice things over there.
    
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    October 14, 2016 12:56pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    As people become more desperate, sexual services will get cheaper. The downside is all the aids.
    
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    October 14, 2016 1:01pm
    - starboard
      
      If you don’t wear a rubber, you are no great loss.
      
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      October 14, 2016 1:53pm
Albert_Ross

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11728857

Can you believe the hypocrisy of this guy? He doesn’t want to pay the price of ensuring that an Art Deco building has protection against alteration or demolition himself, but he now wishes that that same price had been imposed on somebody else.

Preferences have a price, people, and you have no right to impose the price of your preference on others.
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October 14, 2016 12:56pm
- ross411
  
  Protection wasn’t applied for, because it might lower the sale price. And now he’s complaining about it. What a prat.
  
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  October 14, 2016 1:47pm
Ross12

Any of the Middle East experts like to comment this

https://www.rt.com/news/362559-syria-iraq-mosul-isis/
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October 14, 2016 1:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  Rudaw reported that the group “Raqqa is being slaughtered silently” claim that a convoy of Daesh Jihadists from Iraq have just arrived in Raqqa.
  
  http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/131020162
  
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  October 14, 2016 2:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross12 , Russia Today is a Kremlin-controlled propaganda agency that has on a number of occasions perpetuated the myth ( along with Trump ) that the US and Israel created and sponsor ISIS Your ink is obviously in the same league ,
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-myths-debunked_n_5875050.html
  
  BTW RT provides a source but conveniently it is in Russian
  
  Other than that there is nothing but an allegation with no video or photos of US or SA defence personal .
  
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  October 14, 2016 3:25pm
Manolo

The crook is taken to task:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/religious-leaders-hillary-clinton-campaign-wikileaks/index.html

Catholic and evangelical groups slammed Hillary Clinton’s campaign in a statement Thursday over comments revealed in the WikiLeaks emails hack between two high-level campaign officials.

Dozens of religious leaders who signed the statement expressed their “outrage at the demeaning and troubling rhetoric used by those within Secretary Clinton’s campaign.”
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October 14, 2016 1:55pm
- Ross12
  
  Manolo
  
  I think this will be more damaging to Clinton than the lastest sleeze attack on Trump.
  
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  October 14, 2016 2:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo and Ross 12 ,
    
    It will have nothing on this revolting shenanigans by Trump,
    
    Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-old
    “A federal judge in New York has ordered counsel for Donald Trump and the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein to appear in court along with the attorney for a woman referred to only as “Jane Doe” who alleges the Republican presidential nominee raped her when she was 13…
    
    …The order raises the extraordinary prospect, were Trump to win the 8 November battle for the White House, of counsel for a US president-elect being called into federal court in proceedings relating to allegations of rape of an underage girl.”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit
    
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    October 14, 2016 3:36pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Still trying to push this yet from your own link we see this
      A Guardian investigation this summer found that the lawsuit appeared to have been coordinated by a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show who has been associated in the past with a range of disputed claims involving celebrities including OJ Simpson and Kurt Cobain. A publicist acting for “Jane Doe” also attempted to sell a video in which the woman describes her allegations against Trump to media outlets at a $1m price tag
      The Guardian investigation found that a publicist calling himself “Al Taylor” attempted to sell the videotape of “Jane Doe” relating her allegations for $1m. It linked Taylor through a variety of means including shared email addresses and phone numbers to Norm Lubow, who used to work on Springer’s daytime talk show.
      
      Not working Stphie, the story has zero credibility
      Heh,heh heh… !
      
      Given your own admission ps of creepy behaviour I don’t think you are qualified to call others behaviour ‘revolting’n
      
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      October 14, 2016 3:53pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

The deciding game 5 of the Dodgers vs Nationals playoff is underway – winner to face the Cubs for the National League pennant, and then the winner of that to go on to the World Series.

http://m.mlb.com/gameday/dodgers-vs-nationals/2016/10/13/487616#game_tab=gameday,game=487616,game_state=live

So…who are good Cubs’ supporters hoping for? “Washington…first in war, first in peace, and last in the…League”? 😉
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October 14, 2016 2:17pm
- Kimbo
  
  But then at least an MLB team playing out of DC has won a World Series comparatively recently – 1924 – so they may be more used to pressure than the Cubs in post season! 😉
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Washington_Senators_(1901%E2%80%9360)
  
  …and I gotta admit, my unnecessary use of that adverb was both deliberate, and positively (adverb alert!) incorrigible 😉
  
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  October 14, 2016 2:23pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Muhahahahahaha.
    
    I don’t usually bother with KB comments on a Friday night, but after watching Grosse Point Blank with my youngest and listening to all that great 80’s alt-music ….. I’m in a good mood.
    
    Besides, since I’m the only one here who understands the shit you’re slinging I may as well respond.
    
    Curse? Fuck the goat. After scoring three runs in the 9th I think the curse is dead. Oh, strange shit may happen; some godforsaken, broken-down hack of a batter may get the hit of hits against the Cubs – it wouldn’t be baseball without those stories (Bucky Dent – seriously?) – but a team that’s cursed does not pull back a three-run deficit in the 9th. Fuck me but we’re in Met’s ’86 territory on that one.
    
    So yeah. Watched the game today – finally ponied up the money for the MLB.TV post-season – and I’m glad it’s the Dodgers. You want the storied teams. They’ll be tough to beat.
    
    So even though it wasn’t in the soundtrack for GPB (they picked another of their songs), here’s The English Beat, with Save It For Later.
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:36pm
rightoverlabour

So the poor fireman gets found guilty. When the prosecutor and judged in this case need the fire department in the future I hope they drive at 20 km/h the whole way. Twats

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/85288429/Firefighter-hits-out-after-being-found-guilty-of-careless-driving-on-his-way-to-fire
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October 14, 2016 3:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Welcome to brave new Aotearoa, where the state shafts its own volunteers. I reckon all the volunteers should stand down for a week to teach the state a lesson.
  
  BTW why did the woman think she could proceed through a junction when there was an emergency vehicle approaching with lights and sirens ? Once upon a time New Zealanders would and allow their fellow citizens to get the emergency services to the scene quickly. Perhaps it’ s multiculturalism again , our changing culture and that diversity dividend we’re all receiving?
  
  I see cop cars pissing thro junctions at way more than 20 k with lights and sirens , double standards for the boys in blue? Donuts going stale?
  
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  October 14, 2016 3:35pm
Captain Mainwaring

A journo talks sense at last.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/85332788/this-is-how-you-fix-child-poverty-in-nz
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October 14, 2016 3:18pm
rightoverlabour

Fucking Savages http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/10/gang-rape-by-migrants-are-so-common-that-this-one-only-gets-attention-because-she-is-in-a-wheelchair/#more-276761

Time to stop all Raghead immigration.
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October 14, 2016 3:37pm
- kowtow
  
  What ,and miss out on all that enrichment?
  
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  October 14, 2016 4:22pm
Jack5

Looks like the PC mob in Britain are going after the scalp of NZ’s Justice Lowell Goddard. They seem to reckon she’s a racist.

I doubt that Goddard’s a racist. More likely this is part of a campaign to get a non-white lesbian into the job, or maybe it’s the PR division of Islamics Unlimited trying to divert attention from the mass rape and sexual enslavement of British kids by Pakistani paedophiles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3837325/Judge-quit-child-sex-abuse-inquiry-racist-tyrant-Dame-Lowell-Goddard-denies-saying-Britain-paedophiles-Asian-men.html
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October 14, 2016 3:42pm
Stars And Stripes

Xena: the Warrior Princess’ Lucy Lawless tells of the time Trump made his move on her
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11729033

So not content with flying all over the world and burning enough fossil fuels to power a small city she now thinks politics is her specialty as well.
Go boil your head Lucy as I am not interested.
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October 14, 2016 3:56pm
- KevinH
  
  Trump called me for date.
  Not much of a headline, pathetic really. While we are on the subject could Lucy reveal who else made a pass at her and that includes females.
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:25pm
publicwatchdog

My latest petition – for an Independent Commission Against Corruption!

It “Respectfully requests:

That the House establish an Independent Commission Against Corruption, tasked with the prevention, education, detection, and prosecution of corruption in New Zealand.”

Now that NZ has FINALLY ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption (UNCAC), (which supports such a body), and NZ has slipped to now being ‘perceived’ as the 4th ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – according to the Transparency International 2015 ‘Corruption Perception Index’ – IT’S TIME!

IT’S TIME for New Zealand to to have a genuinely Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC)!

Actually, in my view, it’s LONG overdue….

#NZCorruption
#NZICAC
#PublicRecordsAct
#OpenTheBooks

Penny Bright

Consistent – persistent anti-corruption ‘Public Watchdog’
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October 14, 2016 5:32pm
- Nostradamus
  
  My latest petition
  
  Excellent – I was running low on 3-ply!
  
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  October 14, 2016 5:46pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  why the fuck hashtag here? it is as pointless as your mayoral campaign and post in general
  
  #fuckoffyoumadbitch
  #oxeygenthief
  #aucklanddeservesyou
  
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  October 14, 2016 5:51pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Corruption is refusing to pay your rates while living off the largess of others.
  Fuck off you mad bitch.
  
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  October 14, 2016 6:40pm
SGA

Driver leads police on 4-hour chase from Nelson to Dunedin

A massive police chase has spanned the South Island, finishing just north of Dunedin.
The pursuit started in Stoke, near Nelson, shortly after 1pm on Friday.
Later, police tried to stop the blue Subaru in Christchurch.
“The vehicle was involved in three instances of fleeing vehicles today,” a police spokeswoman said.
Police spotted the car in Waikouaiti, north of Dunedin, shortly before 5pm.
The trip is about 720km.

errr… yeah, ok. That’s an average speed of 180km/hour on public roads with other traffic and not allowing for petrol stops.
Either the driver should be snapped up immediately by a race team somewhere, or a Stuff journalist needs their head read.
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October 14, 2016 5:41pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Donthekiwi will tell you that’s easy in a Sub…
  
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  October 14, 2016 5:53pm
- SGA
  
  Someone at Stuff has woken up and changed the story (and the headline) – the chase started at 1am not 1pm – lol.
  
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  October 14, 2016 5:56pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Don will be disappointed
    
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    October 14, 2016 6:37pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Awww-C-mon.
      
      If one drives an Impreza STI, or a decent 3.0 ltr. B Sport Plus Legacy properly, cops fade quickly in the rear view mirror.
      Just ask both my sons. 🙂
      
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      October 14, 2016 8:13pm
  - sooty
    
    Stuff had the kiddies in did they?
    
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    October 14, 2016 8:13pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

I sense that you’re feeling a bit down-and-out about the election result.

It’s interesting to compare your 2013 and 2016 performances:

– In 2013 you received 11,723 votes (putting you in 4th place) and comfortably above “Informal” (1,584) and “Blank” (7,147).

– In 2016 you received 7,022 votes (putting you in 6th place) and still comfortably above “Informal” (1,427) but only marginally above “Blank” (5,815).

My advice (seeing as you were only marginally more successful than a blank voting paper) would be to call it quits while you’re behind.

The people of Auckland have voted – and resoundingly rejected you!
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October 14, 2016 6:04pm
- stigie
  
  “The people of Auckland have voted – and resoundingly rejected you!”
  
  They really want you to pay your rates and arrears Penny..?
  
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  October 14, 2016 6:16pm
- nasska
  
  It’s notable that Penny shed 4700 votes this time Nostra. Would you put it down to policy or body odour?
  
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  October 14, 2016 6:25pm
  - stigie
    
    How do you think she lost all those votes Nasska ?
    
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/image001.jpg
    
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    October 14, 2016 6:36pm
    - sooty
      
      I love that picture, it shows penny’s best side.
      
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      October 14, 2016 8:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You may remember some months ago I volunteered to run Penny’s PR campaign from my organisational hub in the hinterland.
      Penny rejected me and assured us all that she had a team of “young” people on the ground, all go.
      
      Well, there you are….. the evidence speaks for itself.
      I bet Penny didn’t set foot in one Krochet Klub or attend a girls’ gin night or pose for a double spread in House & Garden.
      Wasted votes.
      
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      October 14, 2016 8:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        She did get some good coverage, Maggy. For example, a very brave Spinoff writer spent a day with her:
        http://thespinoff.co.nz/auckland-2016/08-09-2016/her-warship-abides-a-day-with-unsinkable-would-be-mayor-penny-bright/
        
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        October 14, 2016 8:42pm
      - nasska
        
        I remember that article Mike. That’s the one where she tried on the line that a packet of geriatric nappies on the table were to clean billboards with. 🙂
        
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        October 14, 2016 8:47pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    It could be both of those – on top of her poor performance before Justice Venning on 6 July 2016.
    
    I’ve read Justice Venning’s judgment several times now, and it appears that some of Penny’s submissions were (if not misleading and deceptive) were of a nature that may have seen a barrister disciplined. Consider, for example, Penny’s submission that the Judge did not give sufficient weight to the fact the Council had “effectively offered [her] rates postponement” which she stated she would consider once information was provided. Justice Venning noted pointedly that “The Council has not agreed to a rates postponement”.
    
    By the way, Justice Venning wasn’t particularly interested in Penny’s special pleading that she’s made a submission to the Local Government and Environment Select Committee and been involved with the World Justice Project – Rule of Law Index.
    
    I think Justice Venning must like 3-ply too!
    
    Interesting coincidence: Penny’s 2016 vote tally (7,022) corresponds almost exactly to her Justice Venning’s costs order ($7,080) on 7 September 2016.
    
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    October 14, 2016 6:38pm
    - stigie
      
      Some interesting reading in the High Court sheet Nostra.
      I see she partly filled out a “Rates Postponement” form but was rejected…?
      Hasn’t she had a fucking rates postponement for the last 9 years ?
      
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      October 14, 2016 7:03pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Penny might describe that as a “rates deferral” (as distinct from a “rates postponement”) that Auckland Council has “effectively offered” by taking no enforcement action against her!
        
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        October 14, 2016 7:06pm
stigie

The hatred of the right at the Stranded is bloody childish to say the least about the death of Helen Kelly.
This from James…..

“Was not a fan of her politics, but did admire her for her tireless fighting for what she believed in. Her passing is sad not only for her family and friends but for those she fought for.”
And a reply from Muttonbird…..

“Is this your attempt at considering the disenfranchised and vulnerable? Noted.”
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October 14, 2016 6:28pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Is this your attempt at considering the disenfranchised and vulnerable”….
  
  Dear God. Somehow these wretched people have been deprived of the right to vote stigie!
  
  I must have forgotten to read the paper the day when that measure was announced.
  
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  October 14, 2016 6:38pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/85318395/former-southland-stag-pleads-guilty-and-is-sentenced-on-indecent-act-charges

I see the Rugby Union desperately tried to cover this up and get Permanent Name Suppression for their ‘Boy’…
Nothing ever changes with these arrogant pricks…
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October 14, 2016 7:23pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Where the fuck did you pick that up? His lawyer did… but NZRU??
  
  You need to get over yourself
  
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  October 14, 2016 7:34pm
Longknives

Who do you think is paying for/instructing this Sexual Predator’s lawyer mate?
I know you think your Rugby ‘Heroes’ can do no wrong but Jesus Christ read again what this guy was up to..
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October 14, 2016 7:51pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  the guy is fucking fruit cake!
  
  but for fucks sake, he is paying you stupid fucker! you need to give yourself an uppercut and stop being such a bitter old shit.
  
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  October 14, 2016 7:53pm
Morrissey

Colin Kaepernick Calls Trump And Clinton “Proven Liars” Who Were “Trying To Debate Who’s Less Racist”

Hillary Clinton won the presidential debate because Donald Trump is a bad man who is bad at most things. But acknowledging that the two-party system dominates American politics doesn’t mean you have to buy into moral relativism. Colin Kaepernick watched the debate and despaired at both choices. ….

Read more…
http://deadspin.com/colin-kaepernick-calls-trump-and-clinton-proven-liars-1787223273
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October 14, 2016 8:40pm
- Andrei
  
  Movie stars can say what they like…
  
  … but a black football player should know his place and stay on the reservation
  
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  October 14, 2016 8:56pm
Griff

Following what the company refers to as “overwhelming demand for Model 3 and enthusiasm from owners who have imported their Tesla’s into the country”, Tesla announced today a complete expansion in New Zealand with its vehicle business and its energy products, which are already available through the Tesla authorized installer Vector Energy.

Last year, Vector announced that it was giving away 130 solar installations with Tesla Powerwalls in New Zealand.

They will start taking orders for the Model S and X in November and by the second quarter 2017, they will have a Tesla Store and Service and Superchargers in New Zealand.

Due to its relatively small size, New Zealand will be ideal to deploy a DC fast-charging network like the Tesla Supercharger.

Additionally, Tesla will hold test drive events in the country by the end of the year. You should keep an eye on Tesla’s event page for upcoming events when they will be announced. The automaker is starting its hiring process in the country ahead of those events and the upcoming store and service center in the country.
https://electrek.co/2016/10/06/tesla-expand-new-zealand-overwhelming-demand-for-model-3/
NZ major corporates commit to electric vehicle fleet expansion

NZ major corporates commit to electric vehicle fleet expansion
Thirty of New Zealand’s largest companies are committing to at least 30 per cent of their corporate fleets being electric vehicles by 2019.

The initiative represents some 1,450 vehicles – a 75 per cent increase in the total number of EVs on New Zealand roads today.

It coincides with an unheralded government decision to begin procuring EVs for the public sector in quarterly tranches from the end of this year in an effort to bulk up demand for either fully electric or plug-in hybrids capable of being charged from the national grid and running on conventional fossil fuels. Older-style hybrids, which produce electricity from their own petrol engines, will not be eligible.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11729103
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October 14, 2016 8:48pm
- nasska
  
  Two questions Griff….one technical.
  
  How far would the energy produced from 50sq/m of solar panels during one Auckland winters day drive a small electric car?
  
  Two is, if electricity powered a 10% part of the urban light vehicle fleet where & how is the power going to be produced?
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:03pm
  - Griff
    
    Panel is about 300watts for 2 sqm
    Summer it works about at about 5 times name plate watts for a panel in Auckland.
    So 50sqm/2 x 300watts x 5.
    
    About 37.5 kwh a day
    Would be about 300km a day in a car in summer .
    Half that in winter .
    
    New Zealand is ideally suited to replacing petrol and diesel-powered cars with EVs because more than 80 percent of the country’s electricity is produced from renewable resources, with any increase in demand from EVs capable of being covered by renewable projects that are planned but not yet built.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11729103
    
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    October 14, 2016 9:12pm
    - nasska
      
      I can easily see a future for small electric cars (eg. a Nissan Leaf) within urban areas) & as battery technology improves the idea should sell itself.
      
      I still can’t figure out where all the non gas/coal generated power is coming from.
      
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      October 14, 2016 9:22pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Simple. Raise lake Manapouri to the original planned level to generate the extra power. You could even raise lake Taupo by 12 metres and generate heaps of power at the outlet to the Waikato river.
    
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    October 15, 2016 12:09am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Wouldn’t achieve much. Taupo outflow average 160cumecs, 12m increase in lake level would only give about 16MW. Manapouri is about 230m altitude and operates at about 65% average capacity (500MW), adding 30m head would only give about 75MW extra. Not much more that can be done usefully with Hydro in NZ.
      
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      October 15, 2016 12:53am
Captain Mainwaring

So Griff, have you paid a deposit for your car to Tesla, a company that will be tits-up within a year?
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October 14, 2016 8:51pm
- Griff
  
  Yip tits up with nearly 500,000 deposits already taken for their next model.
  Model S biggest selling premium car in many markets including the USA.
  I can not run a car off the new solar system I am building .
  Only 2kw pf panels and 1200 amp hours @12v for storage .
  It will have to be an Electric push bike. 😆
  
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  October 14, 2016 9:06pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Might have the deposits but don’t have the suppliers who are prepared to take a punt on getting paid when the deposits have already been spent.
    Enjoy your fizzbike.
    
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    October 14, 2016 10:09pm
Scott Chris

How the Republican movement could have been:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog
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October 15, 2016 12:05am
Manolo

Hope and change, uh? Team Obama’s corruption is even worse.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/wikileaks-podesta-asks-clintons-lawyer-think-we-should-hold-emails-and
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October 15, 2016 7:05am
Manolo

The reputation of Hillary’s defender is in tatters:
http://spectator.org/former-u-s-attorney-agents-see-fbi-chief-comey-as-a-dirty-cop/

“I know that inside the FBI there is a revolt,” Joseph diGenova tells The American Spectator. “There is a revolt against the director. The people inside the bureau believe the director is a dirty cop.

They believe that he threw the [Hillary Clinton email] case. They do not know what he was promised in return. But the people inside the bureau who were involved in the case and who knew about the case are talking to former FBI people expressing their disgust at the conduct of the director.”
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