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Paulus

Well said Judith Collins – parents must take some responsibility for their children. Listen to the whole answer she gave at the Police conference not the bits the so called media want you to know.
Jacinta – give it up – when you are older and perhaps have children you will have a better understanding of what Judith says.
Not the usual left wing socialist rhetoric.
Whilst not PC what Judith says is right – Parents matter.
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October 13, 2016 8:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Paul Henry reports this morning that Judith is in trouble with Twitter posters for her comments.
  
  PH is in trouble with some of his staff for agreeing with Judith. As he says, perhaps before you have another child you should consider whether you are willing to pay the cost of having more children?
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    It appears we live in a twitterocracy. Hopefully politicians aren’t swayed by the idiots on it. The media certainly seem to be in thrall.
    
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    October 13, 2016 8:37am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      ” The media certainly seem to be in thrall.”
      
      Thats because your average “journalist” these days is a smat phone addicted 20 something white female clasping a “Media Studies” degree with a side order of Wymmin Studies or Queer Theory 101.
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:01am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m not sure whether being “in trouble” with mouth breathing, social justice twigglypuffs limited to 150 characters is necessarily a bad thing.
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:01am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Exactly, a junk yard dog like her will be basking in it.
      
      Those Social Justice Warrior twitter bullies have no attention span, they very quickly move on to the next manufactured media outrage, especially when the targeted victim stands their ground.
      
      Time and time again you see the more a hapless target grovels and pleads for mercy from the Social Justice Warriors, the more enraged that mob becomes.
      
      It may sound funny, but innocent people are having their careers and lives destroyed by these modern day Progressive/Left witch hunts.
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:09am
      - EAD
        
        Welcome Mr Jazz,
        
        a great new addition to the Kiwiblog commentariat.
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:15am
artemisia

“No Sugary Drinks” logo a fizzer. It has been pulled as it looks rather like a specific bottle shape.

Fail.
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October 13, 2016 8:12am
- kowtow
  
  Fail. What a pity . Left wing Radio Red invested a lot of air time promoting this latest attempt at attacking private property rights and curtailing civil liberties, all in the name of the so called obesity epidemic , when all it would take is a modicum of self discipline.
  Not to worry , plenty more of that Nanny out there to promote.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:09am
- Fletch
  
  According to what I read, the World Health Organisation wants to impose a 20%-50% tax on all sugary drinks.
  
  http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/10/11/world-health-organization-pushing-for-20-50-tax-on-soda/
  
  Totalitarian much?
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:13am
  - Lance
    
    How long before they go after meat?
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:21am
    - GoVege
      
      Cool!!
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:48am
Inandout

If the new Horowhenua Mayor refuses to get sworn in under an ‘unsafe’ building, where was he when they held council meetings – standing outside? Seems they voted in a right charlie.
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October 13, 2016 8:14am
- peterwn
  
  The initial meeting and swearing in will be in the Public Library. The Mayor will then presumably seek the support of Council to try and resolve the matter.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    One more contradiction. The public library refit was apparently overseen by the same company that was involved in the council building. To carry his concerns to a logical conclusion he should also shun the library as well.
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:12am
- Ole Bill Mole
  
  I hope he is careful crossing the road….
  
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  October 13, 2016 10:43am
Captain Mainwaring

‘Child poverty’ is another way of saying ‘parental irresponsibility’.
Let the lefty rabble argue that however they like.
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October 13, 2016 8:14am
- mandk
  
  From Stuff:
  Variety CEO Lorraine Taylor said: “We’ve heard of families who share one towel. . . or children who don’t have their own blankets.”
  
  I can understand how some families might find it difficult to afford towels and blankets, but it’s difficult to see how a situation like the above could arise, when all a parent would need to do would be to get down to the nearest Salvation Army family centre to get what they need without charge.
  
  Is it shame, laziness or stupidity that causes this sort of thing?
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:10am
  - Flash
    
    It’s quite likely that families who share one towel have simply never thought about the desirability for more than one. Or, they don’t see the need.
    One wonders what their concept of hygiene is.
    Education might be the answer.
    Blankets. I decided to stay over night at a camping ground with friends, but I hadn’t brought any bedding. I went to the local Warehouse and bought a couple of faux plush throws for $6 each, and found them much warmer than wool and they wash like rags. (in a pinch you can use them as towels too.)
    
    Obviously towels and blankets are not on their list of priorities, so not a matter for concern. It would be better for the do-gooders to do a bit of consciousness-raising and tell these people about personal cleanliness & where to source stuff cheaply.
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:38am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “Is it shame, laziness or stupidity that causes this sort of thing?”
    
    Defintely IQ is involved – remember half the population has below average IQ.
    
    Single mother households ( Thanks Feminists!)
    
    Druggie culture. ( Thanks Progressives!)
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:12am
- kowtow
  
  Do you include John Key in that rabble, he’s bought into the silly notion too. But then he’s “progressive.” That’s why so many low intelligence wimmin voters seem to like him.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:12am
waikatogirl

Promise of more police on our streets.

As long as they are on the front line dealing with crime and not just road ‘policing’.
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October 13, 2016 8:27am
- peterwn
  
  No worries here – Judith is seeking a ‘general policing’ budget increase. This is distinct from the road traffic policing budget via NZTA.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:51am
- G152
  
  What’s the bet that those numbers will find themselves catching criminal drivers who exceed the speed limit ?
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:53am
- calendar girl
  
  Police have to be allocated disproportionately to “road policing” because of perverse revenue / funding effects of that part of their job.
  
  Despite the ‘no tolerance’-type of traffic policing over the last couple of years, the road toll is increasing again, markedly. Even those of us who are great admirers of our NZ Police have to despair at some political management of the portfolio (prior to Paula Bennett) and the top-level strategy-setting of Police management.
  
  As you call for, waikatogirl, we need more police on the streets of our towns and cities.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  Promise of more police…….
  …….must be an election coming up.
  
  And yeah , they’ll be sucked into “administration” or so called domestic violence cases ,checking bail etc. We won’t get much bang for our buck out of it.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:14am
  - peterwn
    
    Domestic violence and checking bail are important policing functions. If anything domestic violence should take precedence over burglaries. Also overseeing alleged offenders on bail is far more economic than having them in jail. I do not know if Corrections is involved in bail monitoring – if not they should be as far as practicable to allow police to get on with other things.
    
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    October 13, 2016 10:37am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Sure thing Peter! Just like that dindu nuffin with the ankle bracelet (for raping a 5 yo girl) went and ran down a women on the street, raped her broken body and dumped her dead in the local cemetery.
      
      I’m sure the victim was thinking – “well at least this is far more economic than having him in jail.”
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:19am
      - GoVege
        
        Jails were built for exactly that kind of offender.
        Put all the Benny fraudsters on home detention and there will be room for the violent predators.
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:51am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Isn’t the police being called out to numerous domestics everyday part of the problem. If the police are busy breaking up drunken disputes they can’t be out looking for criminals or preventing crime while on their beat.
      
      Police must attend the call but perhaps recidivist drunks who are handy with their fists should receive a hefty fine for wasting everyone’s time. At least they’d have a few less $ to waste on booze.
      
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      October 13, 2016 1:11pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The richness of Diversity comes to Palmerston North ,

” New settler family of 17 heading for Palmerston North after fleeing war-torn Syria ”

“The call came last January when Tammam Tamim was at home with his family.

“Congratulations, you are going to be resettled in New Zealand,” said a worker of the United Nations refugee agency UNHCR.

Tamim arrived in Bangkok two years ago after fleeing the war in Syria. Since then he and his 17 relatives were virtual prisoners in a 65sq m apartment, too terrified to go outside for food or medical treatment. The family remained hidden on expired visas, hoping for resettlement.

“When I knew I would be a New Zealand citizen, and not a refugee, I felt for the first time in my life a human being. Upon receiving the news, I cried. We all cried,” says Tamim, 38….”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11725701
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October 13, 2016 8:29am
- Manolo
  
  Sob, sob. Pass the hankies, please.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:32am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Said in the spirit of a true Trumpist and alt righter
    
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    October 13, 2016 8:46am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      That’s right, the game is up for the (((Globalist Elite))) and their project to flood white countries with Vibrants.
      
      Trump is only the very beginning. No matter the (((media))) rigged US circus show, white America has only just woken up and started fighting back.
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:24am
- Scott
  
  The richness of diversity comes to Sydney Australia. Coming soon to a town near you:
  “Police in Sydney, Australia, broke into the home of Iranian couple Amir Darbanou and his wife Nasrin Abek on the morning of Thursday 29 September after Nasrin’s father became concerned for her safety. On entering the apartment in the affluent Sydney suburb of Potts Point they found that Nasrin had been murdered during the night. Darbanou, 42, was allegedly enraged that his wife had converted to Christianity and killed the 35-year-old hairdresser in a frenzied knife attack.
  
  Darbanou is said to have stalked his wife previous to the night of the fatal assault, seemingly suspicious of her activities. In the small hours of the night, neighbours heard screams but then there was silence. According to reports, it was after this that Darbanou called Nasrin’s father in Iran to tell him that she was dead.
  
  Nasrin’s father made several anguished phone calls to Sydney police, eventually persuading them to investigate. At 6.20am on Thursday morning, the police forced entry into the building and discovered Nasrin’s body. Darbanou was arrested and appeared before Sydney’s Central Local Court on Friday 30 September. He did not enter a plea or apply for bail and was remanded into police custody.
  
  Police said that there was no known history of domestic violence between the couple, who had been living in Australia for four years on temporary bridging visas.”
  
  https://barnabasfund.org/news/Iranian-convert-to-Christianity-murdered-by-Muslim-husband-at-their-home-in-Sydney?audience=NZ
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:45am
  - stephieboy
    
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    scott, another Trumpist and alt righer in action ?
    
    Yes, a tragic crime and of course domestic violence is not unique to the Muslim community there nor her in NZ as you must know or willfully choose not to know .
    
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    October 13, 2016 8:52am
    - nasska
      
      Perhaps you could link to the last report of a New Zealand woman murdered by her husband because she changed the brand of her sky fairy.
      
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      October 13, 2016 9:12am
      - RalphT
        
        Sadly Nasska I suspect we will be able to find a case in NZ before too long. But I bet it won’t involve a couple of old codgers like us two, upset that our Christian wives have become Muslim.
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:20am
    - Scott
      
      Stephieboy – you’re completely right in that domestic violence is not limited to the Muslim community.
      
      However you are completely wrong and unbelievably dense to say that this is just a case of domestic violence. There was no violence in the marriage until the wife became a Christian. The husband then became enraged and killed her because she became a Christian. This is accepted behaviour in a Muslim family and the head of the house, the husband, is duty-bound to kill any member of his family who becomes a Christian, who becomes an apostate, and this is perfectly acceptable in Islam and indeed honourable and the right thing to do according to the Prophet Mohammed.
      
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      October 13, 2016 9:27am
      - GoVege
        
        I doubt if this was the first instance of domestic violence in this family.
        Women of other ethnicities rarely report DV.
        They know they will be punished in even more hurtful ways if they do.
        I personally know an extremely violent man who threatened to leave his wife, unless his step-daughter (who was terrified of him) returned home.
        
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        October 13, 2016 8:33pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Death to apostates is quite literal and mandated by the Koran. The husband is only guilty of being a good Muslim.
      
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      October 13, 2016 9:52am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Prick and Scott death to apostates is c;early mandated in the Bible in both Old and New Testaments ,
        
        “It is often believed that the Bible gives absolute religious freedom to everyone. Most of the Christians in the United States and the the West think that the freedom of choice and speech that they have comes originally from the Bible. Let’s just see how accurate this myth really is. ”
        
        Deuteronomy 13:6-9
        
        Deuteronomy 17:3-5
        
        2 Chronicles 15:13
        
        Matthew 15:1-9
        
        (Matthew 23:1-3)”
        
        Romans 1:20-32
        
        Clearly, the above sampling of old and New Testament verses demonstrate that death to apostates is sanctioned . A sanction that the Quran drew from ,
        
        http://www.answering-christianity.com/death.htm
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:12am
      - Rich Prick
        
        You’ve copped quite a spanking your satanic death cult love-in already, so I shall leave that alone, except to say there aren’t too many Christians dying in their homes for the sin of switching sky fairies.
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:18am
      - Lance
        
        @stephieboy
        What most Christians get is John 18:36 and Matt 26:52
        God is all powerful. So Christians don’t have to fight, kill or maim in his name. If they do then they have missed the entire point.
        What sort of God needs defending? Surely that’s up to God
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:33am
    - Lance
      
      @stephieboy
      How come we don’t read any stories of Christians murdering partners for converting to Islam?
      If you could site any it would be illuminating
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:25am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Or stories of Christians mutilating their daughters genitals.
        
        Or stories of Christians beheading young boys.
        
        And so on and so on.
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:29am
      - Manolo
        
        You seem to forget stephieboy is an unabashed apologist of Islam, a Muslim who will never find fault with his violent religion, and who will attempt to justify barbaric acts because Christians did the same five centuries ago.
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:38am
- Huevon
  
  Distain unseen since the days when the starving French were told “let them eat cake”
  
  A tribe of 17 Islamic colonists is imposed on the quiet, rural, homogeneous town of Palmerston North without their consent…but they are informed this is “richness”.
  
  Stephie – and all your pro diversity liberal cohorts – best reflect on the fate of Marie Antoinette.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    Never mind Marie A…….modern France is in a shit load of Islamic trouble.
    
    “He also suggested that today’s “veiled woman” could become a Marianne, the female symbol of the French republic, and attacked his rival Nicolas Sarkozy as “the little De Gaulle”.’
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/12/francois-hollande-france-has-a-problem-with-islam-french-president-book-nicolas-sarkozy-little-de-gaulle
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:18am
- Rich Prick
  
  What’s wrong with Bangkok? There are no current Thai wars to run from. It must have been the sight of ladyboys that caused them to flee. Just wait untill they cop an eyefull of Palmerston North’s hookers.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:07am
  - Rich Prick
    
    … ah, no welfare in Thailand. Palmerston North starts to make sense now. 17!! of the buggers too. I vote stephieboy picks up the tab this time.
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:16am
  - Jack5
    
    Rich Prick (9.07 post). The Thais will be pleased to see Muslims leave. The Thais are fighting Muslim insurgents in the south of Thailand.
    
    Next, the ratbag UN will be trying to resettle the insurgents in NZ.
    
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    October 13, 2016 2:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Yeah baby, we come to NZ and get the benefits straight away; the whole 17 of us. In 10 years there will be 30 of us.
  
  Cut immigration and simply replace with ‘refugees’. Woodhouse is a knob if he thinks we fall for the 2500 cuts a year story.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:23am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  stephieboy
  
  Is he and his family Muslim, Yasidi, Christian – or what?
  Will he fit in, or will he still be imbued with jihad?
  Were these questions even asked?
  
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  October 13, 2016 12:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Only 17 Muslims in this family!
  
  To all those who influenced John Key to back track on his initial decision not to lift the refugee intake, Thank you!
  
  Notably, Rachel Smalley (famous for her view, “NZ women are lardo’s) and Matthew Hootton, Radio NZ’s Labour Programme spokesman for the political Right.
  
  If the Labour-Greens alliance wins the next general election, there will be hundreds of Muslim families like this coming into the country.
  
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  October 13, 2016 2:41pm
  - kowtow
    
    It’s beyond me how the left , who are constantly screaming about poverty , lack of resources etc are quite happy to put an even bigger strain on and waste even more scarce resources on these Middle Eastern types.
    
    Is there no end to their largesse on the tax payers’ dollar?
    
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    October 13, 2016 2:50pm
Manolo

Danger! stephieboy, number one fan of the Messiah, could have a heart attack:
https://news.grabien.com/story-video-2008-campaign-appears-show-obama-flaunting-erection-fe
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October 13, 2016 8:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, you personally live in desperate and dire times .
  
  Note ” appears ”
  
  However it can’t beat this piece of bizarre rubbish from a favourite of yours , WND,
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/is-this-the-most-bizarre-conspiracy-theory-about-barack-obama-10442224.html
  
  nor ,
  
  Alex Jones: ‘Michelle Obama Is A Man’ Who Murdered Joan Rivers To Cover It Up
  
  http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-michelle-obama-is-a-man-who-murdered-joan-rivers-to-cover-it-up/
  
  Manolo , you freak !
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:40am
- RF
  
  What a stupid looking wingnut.
  
  What’s with the flashing etc… must be the water they are drinking over there.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:53am
Happychappy

Another Herald misfit that thinks being a Journalist he has the right to call our PM gutless and tell him that he has to attend the Waitangi Treaty Celebrations.Who is Andrew Dickens and what gives him the right to tell John Key that he must associate with thugs and bully’s to listen to people slag off and abuse the NZ government without the right of reply.
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October 13, 2016 8:31am
- itstricky
  
  Who is Andrew Dickens
  
  A voter, presumably, who has an opinion. A being a voter entitles him to that opinion. I mean, god forbid you actually having any opinions. You do have opinions, don’t you? Oh yes, you do – thugs and bullies – that’s an opinion.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:23am
  - Happychappy
    
    wow must have hit a sore point,if Maori want respect it has to go two ways and if they not thugs and bully’s what were they last year.I have been a friend of Hone Sadler for nearly fifty years but believe just because they are activists does not give them the right to abuse a NZ PrimeMinister
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:34am
    - itstricky
      
      I am not saying there aren’t some out of control activists.
      
      I am saying that “who does he think he is” statements are null and void. There’s no shortage of opinions around here – this is his, just like yours.
      
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      October 13, 2016 10:40am
  - Jack5
    
    The Leftist, itstricky, at 9.23 posted of Dickens, “A voter, presumably, who has an opinion”.
    
    Dickens is a radio announcer, who seems to have moved from pop music to running a talk show slot previously filled by Kerre Woodham. The fact that he is in the Hooerald relates to the newspaper’s ownership and that ownership’s radio interests.
    
    Dickens is on ZB radio, owned by NZME, which also owns the Hooerald and is trying to get Commerce Commission clearance to merge with Fairfax Media. That would give them dominance of the NZ media.
    
    Something is happening in NZME. Perhaps a decision by the Commerce Commission is imminent. This week, Murdoch’s News group sold its 15 per cent stake in NZME.
    
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    October 13, 2016 3:03pm
- Inandout
  
  Dickens looks like a twat. Another reporter headed for the dole queue when the Herald closes.
  
  http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-sunday-cafe/
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:27am
  - itstricky
    
    The handful of recent comments on here about Andrew Dickens are actually positive. Good old oldpark, or wiseowl, or one of your usual Monday ranters actually heaped praise on him as the ‘new Holmes or Hoskings’ with a corresponding 18 up votes.
    
    So, as usual, I expect this is a case of him just being the devil if he says something the crowd doesn’t like, or being the messiah if he echos the predominant line.
    
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    October 13, 2016 10:49am
    - Happychappy
      
      Point taken but most people don’t have respect for their elders or people of prominence nowadays so in my younger day being raised in Nelson we were taught to respect our older’s and not being racial that included Maori so with a son inlaw and two grandchildren that are part Maori i hope to see them gain the same respect.Now the point i am making even though i despise Andrew Little if he becomes PrimeMinister i would demand he is treated the same way, reporters should not be creating disrespect for any PM
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:10am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’d suggest everyone just ignore Harawira Day altogether.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:33am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Why is everyone so concerned about an event that isn’t even happening for another 5 months?
  
  Unless I somehow time warped to February 2017, because I am sure its still October here.
  
  FWIW New Zealand day is just another day off to me. And I ignore the news channels.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:48am
jcuk

I think Judith Collins hit the nail on the head with part of her comment……parents do not know how to raise children …..have no training except for Plunket and their parents.
But if a child has a baby to escape their home and it is second or third generation how can they possibly know how to raise a child.
I certainly didn’t but fortunately my wife came from a large and supportive childhood.
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October 13, 2016 8:32am
Manolo

Well-behaved Pakistanis and multiculturalism arrive in Italy:
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2016/10/12/violenza-sessuale-su-una-ragazza-di-22-anni-fermati-tre-uomini-nel-bresciano/3094406/

Sono accusati di violenza sessuale su una 22enne. Per questo tre uomini di origini pakistane, richiedenti asilo, sono stati fermati a Chiari, nel Bresciano, e adesso si trovano nel carcere di Canton Mombello.
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October 13, 2016 8:37am
Hugh Pavletich

Liam Dann: Are the banks bracing for a storm? – Business – NZ Herald News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11727593

Is it time to batten down the hatches?

It has been smooth sailing for the New Zealand economy this year but there are worrying signs that the big banks are preparing for a storm.

News that BNZ may shed hundreds of local jobs comes as a KPMG report found bank profits fell in the March quarter despite record levels of lending.

Margins are clearly getting thin. Too thin for at least one West Auckland property development.

This week Jon Sandler – the developer who has pulled the pin on a 91-unit Avondale apartment complex – partially blamed increasingly restrictive bank lending for the move. … read more via hyperlink above …

‘Housing affordability’ the major concern of New Zealanders – Ipsos Research … Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1610/S00186/what-new-zealanders-think-about-immigration.htm

August report …

Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
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October 13, 2016 8:48am
- peterwn
  
  Despite all the horrid things said about Aussie banks (who own 4 major NZ banks), they weathered the 2007 storm very well and this enormously benefited the Australian and NZ economies. They are exercising similar caution at present. It has to be remembered with banks that their shareholders have their backsides on the line, therefore this justifies that they are paid a reasonable dividend for the risk (Bill English personally would not risk taxpayers’ with bank ownership but a noisy rabble demands that he does with respect to Kiwibank).
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:01am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I suspect if one of those banks were to fail, the pressure on the government to bail it out would be immense. So our backsides are on the line too.
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:17am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Not ours, the Australian governments (except Kiwibank). There’s exactly the same house price inflation happening in Australia especially Sydney so risk for those banks in Australia as well.
      
      The prime issue is still the tsunami of cheap money and low interest rates. This is the consequence of the policies followed by all OECD nations in response to the GFC of 2008-9; has has had some (?) positive outcomes but real negative ones as well.
      
      It does demonstrate the application of the two simple rules of economics: Incentives matter; and Opportunity costs – there’s always opportunity costs.
      
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      October 13, 2016 9:28am
  - Jack5
    
    Peter, I used to sympathise with those who opposed the concept of Kiwibank, but I now think it’s worth having.
    
    The four other main banks – ANZ, Westpac, ASB, Bank of NZ – look solid. However, apart from State-owned Kiwibank, the NZ minor banks’ credit ratings don’t indicate much leeway for any severe national financial setback. Mostly they sit just on or a little above minimum investor grade.
    
    If we had smarter politicians we might have encouraged or negotiated for the four Aussie banks to maintain NZ subsidiaries with minor stakes in which NZ investors could buy shares on the NZ Stock Exchange. At least one of these banks previously had this arrangement.
    
    With this, in an international financial fall, our Government might have been able to take equity stakes in the subsidiaries. These stakes could either be sold to NZ investors later, or resold to the Aussie banks. This would beat the taxpayer handouts to investors that occurred in the finance companies crash.
    
    As it stands now, NZ sacrifices a little of its independence by relying so heavily on the Australian banking system. Kiwibank is at least an attempt to lower this dependence.
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:02am
    - Brigitte
      
      Actually, most of the minor banks have pretty solid ratings. They are all detailed on the Reserve Bank site:
      
      http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/regulation-and-supervision/banks/prudential-requirements/credit-ratings
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Brigitte, here are the ratings you mention:
        Co-operative Bank BBB
        Heartland Bank BBB
        Southland Building Society (SBS) BBB
        TSB A-
        
        The TSB rating is quite good, however, note that all four of these second-tier banks have ratings only from Fitch.
        
        The main trading banks and Kiwibank are all rated in the “A’s” by the three main rating agents: Standard and Poor’s, Fitch, and Moody’s.
        
        The explanatory piece above the item at the Reserve Bank you link to puts the approximate probability of default over five years for a Fitch BBB at one in 30. For a single A the probability is one in 150.
        
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        October 13, 2016 3:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Hugh:
  
  China has the mother of all property bubbles.
  
  Things are so serious, you wonder if all the politicians aren’t like some parents in an Indian garden where a snake is slithering towards the kids.
  
  “What cobra? There’s no cobra there. Nothing at all. What are you panicking about?”
  
  http://economyandmarkets.com/markets/housing-market-markets/harry-dent-orgasmic-real-estate/
  
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  October 13, 2016 6:48pm
waikatogirl

Sad to see that the shooting in Mohaka, Hawke’s Bay was the father shooting his mentally ill son.

Another fail with community care.
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October 13, 2016 8:48am
- Jack5
  
  Waikatogirl, I think you’ve made this point before.
  
  Do you want a return to the old strategy of institutional care?
  
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  October 13, 2016 10:48am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Why not? Seems to keep the community safer.
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:09am
  - Jack5
    
    Captain M., it’s a tough choice. On one hand, shocking family murders and schizophrenics homeless in the streets. On the other hand, many people now living happily and safely in the community when under the institution system they would have been virtually prisoners for life. I think we have over-cut institutional care though.
    
    It looks as though NZ, and probably many other Western countries, seriously under-fund mental health care – and this would apply regardless of whether the community care or institutional approach were taken.
    
    With the health system under pressure from rising population and activist and media attention, mental health is seen as a soft option in budgeting.
    
    Mental health system problems draw less media attention. The media almost daily hammers hospitals and doctors in the general health system over statistically insignificant failures.
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:21am
- VicParking
  
  First we locked them up in “Nut Houses”: that was wrong
  Next we locked them up in DHB hospitals: that was wrong
  Next we locked them up in community houses: that was wrong
  Now we house them in unlocked community houses and DHB hospitals: that is wrong
  So now we must ???????: and that will be wrong
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:23am
Keeping Stock

Paul Henry suggested this morning that the Government should campaign next year on a proposed Sugar Tax.

Why the hell would they want to do that? The merits of a Sugar Tax are as yet unproven, and are likely to remain so for some time. So why would an incumbent government want to campaign on something like that?

Instead, let Labour and the Greens campaign in favour of a Sugar Tax, and let’s see what the public chooses.
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October 13, 2016 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  Henry is a clown , only he’s not wearing a costume. How some people think he’s a great right winger is beyond me.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:23am
  - Ed Snack
    
    But is he a Scary Clown !
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:28am
  - Manolo
    
    And nowadays a wowser!
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  This is how a tax would not work-
  
  Coke sells their drinks at say $3.00 a bottle at retail, add 10% sugar tax makes $3.30. Coke then arranges a supermarket special at $1.95 a bottle, so where is the incentive to drink less Coke? Just like with Muldoon’s price freeze on groceries, manufacturers then introduced new packaging at a new and inflated price. You simply can’t legislate for all eventualities, because human ingenuity will find a way around it.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:38am
AgentBallSack

The problem with a sugar tax is that sodas and colas are not the most sugary drinks out there. That title belongs to fruit juices, and milk.

So the consequences are that children will end up drinking more soda because “healthy” drinks will have to be taxed too.
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October 13, 2016 9:41am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Are you serious ? Natural milk sugar – lactose ?
  It’s got an kj energy value in the same range – sure.
  Huh ? End up drinking more soft drink – um, ok.
  Wow – talkback logic.
  I’m fairly sure you’re just flat out wrong – look at nutrition label of milk and soft drink – added sugar. milk – zero. Milk is ‘sugary’ and more than soft drink ? Really ? Nah.
  No – milk wouldn’t get sugar taxed – how ridiculous.
  
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  October 14, 2016 4:48am
Inandout

Oh stephie, sorry mate, but WO survives to fight another day.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/10/the-kitten-lives/#more-276718
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October 13, 2016 9:46am
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout , Cameron no doubt eternally thankful and saved by your generous and magnanimous 20c worth into his beggar bowl ?
  
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  October 13, 2016 10:49am
  - Inandout
    
    Actually no, I donated once when I was a commenter on his site, but Bad Pete banned me for some vague reason. However I still visit WO to find out what is going on in the world.
    
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    October 13, 2016 1:13pm
wiseowl

Made me laugh hearing Nick Smith suggesting Trump is out of touch with reality.

Smith ,like Hillary, has been in politics since nappy time it seems and it is he, like Hillary that is out of touch.
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October 13, 2016 9:55am
Ross12

So will all those who got themselves twisted in knots over a private conversation between two testerone fueled guys, years ago, get equally enraged about this

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/12/show-porn-kids-teach-gender-studies-school-says-bbc-presenter/&gws_rd=cr&ei=wqb-V-6ME-ff0gLHjJSIBQ
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October 13, 2016 10:16am
- Ole Bill Mole
  
  as in Monty Python’s “The Meaning of Liff, sorry, Life”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaWq2TXRXE
  
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  October 13, 2016 10:52am
Jack5

Trump would win the US presidential election by a landslide if it were a “dudes only” election, argues feminist columnist in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/12/backlash-against-feminism-new-low-donald-trump-republicans-women
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October 13, 2016 10:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I guess that’s a good reason women got the vote.
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:11am
  - Jack5
    
    Captain M: You think they got the vote because they were tired of old geezers talking about grabbing their “pussies”?????
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:28am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I don’t think women are overly impressed with Hillary either.
    When how she treated those women Bill was involved with is being talked about on ‘The View’ then you know it’s out there.
    Don’t think Millenials who supported Bernie will be happy with the Podesta emails either. They all confirm what was suspected and exposed in the DNC emails.
    Dirtiest election evah.
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:29am
    - GoVege
      
      I wonder how the average bloke would talk to another dude who was shagging his missus?
      Somehow I think Hilary’s reaction would fade into insignificance by comparison.
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:01pm
Manolo

The Clinton mafia took the old bugger Sanders for a ride:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/dems-planned-fool-sanders-supporters-convention/

Newly released emails show former Democratic Party officials offering Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign detailed advice on how to trick “self-righteous” supporters of Sen. Bernard Sanders into thinking they won concessions from the party establishment.
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October 13, 2016 11:04am
tom hunter

Stephen Green of PJ Media has a regular series where he wargames the Electoral College.

WARNING: Reading this requires knowing something about US politics, history and reading polls. Brain dead, drooling imbeciles who scream about national polls, vast stadium crowds, and “rigged” polls may as well not bother. This is not a Brexit-type one-national-shot vote.

Key points:

This map isn’t quite right — you’ve got to spot each candidate one more point for the Maine split, which 270toWin’s app won’t let you do without giving the rest of the state to the other guy. So it’s really Clinton 260 – Trump 165.

You’ll notice that Clinton clinches it by taking just one of AZ, FL, GA, MN, NC, or OH.
…
So, as I said back in April, Trump’s challenge isn’t getting to 270 — it’s getting to 200.
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October 13, 2016 11:11am
- All_on_Red
  
  Exactly. Unfortunately the US is going to have to endure the complete debacle Clinton will be until finally, just maybe they see sense and clean out most of their political elite- on both sides.
  It’s going to be up to the Millenials to do that.
  Also I think this election we have seen the MSM enter its death spiral.
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , will really enjoy your lamentations and self-torture in the next four or so years .
    
    MSM in a death spiral ? Replaced with this ?
    
    Alex Jones crazy rant compilation
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4zxYpLY9QM
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:28am
    - All_on_Red
      
      That’s alright Stephie, I’ll console myself my reminding everyone here what a Creepyboy you are.
      Everyday.
      Sooooo, have you been out perving lately?
      Lol
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:31am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Who’s Alex Jones?
      
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      October 13, 2016 11:37am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Part of the powerful alternative online media that is destroying the corporate controlled (((US Media))).
        
        Alex Jones is great, he has hilarious theatrical melt downs ( that only Yanks know how to do ) on screen pointing out how corrupt and degenerate the (((Global Elites))) are.
        
        Great entertainment while providing an excellent alternative info source to state/corporate propaganda.
        
        Highly recommended viewing – bring your own popcorn.
        
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        October 13, 2016 11:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Putin is still deciding who will win.
    Russia now appear to have the electronic voting system under their control.
    
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    October 13, 2016 1:30pm
- Kimbo
  
  @ tom hunter
  
  WARNING: Reading this requires knowing something about US politics, history and reading polls. Brain dead, drooling imbeciles who scream about national polls, vast stadium crowds, and “rigged” polls may as well not bother. This is not a Brexit-type one-national-shot vote.
  
  Bugger that! As per our resident constitutional expert and political scientist, deadrightkev, Trump (aka he who is going to “piss in”) will, on assuming office, somehow circumvent the separation of powers, and presumably initiate a Presidential executive-order-directed Star Chamber of some sort , and “imprison” Hillary Clinton.
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:52am
Manolo

CNN does not want to know about Clinton’s “son”:
http://www.drudgereport.com/clintondw.htm

CNN boss Jeff Zucker has directly ordered network staff not to cover shocking allegations made my Arkansas resident Danney Williams, the Drudge Report has learnt.
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October 13, 2016 11:11am
- All_on_Red
  
  Apparently it’s untrue that he has been DNA tested.
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:17am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, if true ( which I seriously doubt. Refer below ) it would be because of this,
  
  “Clinton Didn’t Father Hooker’s Son”
  
  “A claim by Bobbie Ann Williams, a Little Rock prostitute, that her son, Danny, was fathered by Bill Clinton has been proven false by DNA analysis. Star, the tabloid that first published Gennifer Flowers? claim that she had been one of Clinton?s lovers, was reported to have paid Williams “a low six-figure” sum for exclusive rights to the story. It arranged to have Danny?s DNA checked against that of the President. On January 9, the Drudge Report broke the news that Time magazine had learned that the DNA tests cleared Clinton….”
  
  http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/clinton-didnt-father-hookers-son/
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:23am
  - All_on_Red
    
    That article says Clinton never consented to a test.
    ‘Clinton never offered to submit to a paternity test to prove that the rumor was false,’
    
    So where’s your evidence?
    Mat Drudge has since come out and said he was lied to about there being a test.
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red ,
      
      “Accuracy in Media, a right-leaning media watch dog site, published the Drudge Report’s scoop in 1999:
      
      A claim by Bobbie Ann Williams, a Little Rock prostitute, that her son, Danny, was fathered by Bill Clinton has been proven false by DNA analysis. Star, the tabloid that first published Gennifer Flowers’s claim that she had been one of Clinton’s lovers, was reported to have paid Williams “a low six-figure” sum for exclusive rights to the story. It arranged to have Danny’s DNA checked against that of the President. On January 9, the Drudge Report broke the news that Time magazine had learned that the DNA tests cleared Clinton.”
      
      Why the rumour has been revived ,
      
      “But with Clinton continuing her lead in the polls and a poor debate performance from Republican nominee Donald Trump, right-wing sites seem like they are reaching. Trump publicly praised himself after the first presidential debate for not spilling the beans on Bill Clinton’s past infidelities — now the Drudge Report has resurfaced the false story about Clinton’s illegitimate son, with even more dubious sources.”
      
      http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/3/13147842/bill-clinton-son-danney-williams
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You are claiming that Bill did a DNA test, so where is the evidence?
        
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        October 13, 2016 12:34pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Bill Clinton is a serial sex abuser.
    
    Hillary Clinton and her feminist followers are silencing his victims.
    
    Hillary even took the Feminist slogan “Believe Her” part out of her website page on sexual violence.
    
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    October 13, 2016 11:43am
Manolo

Do or die:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-campaign-blasts-trumps-scorched-earth-tactics-as-protesters-accuse-her-husband-of-rape/2016/10/12/7b8a6df2-908f-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html
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October 13, 2016 11:19am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Leftists/Feminists wail incessantly about “Rape Culture”(TM) and tweet #BelieveHer – unless the perpetrator is nonwhite, Muhammadan or a popular Leftist politician.
  
  Then they change to #IgnoreHer, #DontBelieveHer, #SilenceHer.
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    5 Insane Theories from Alex Jones, Trump’s Favorite Conspiracist
    With Trump as the new Republican standard bearer, the discourse just went to the lowest common denominator, aka Jones.
    
    Hillary Clinton is a witch and responsible for the Dallas Police murders
    
    The Clintons are murderers- the body bag conspiracy theory
    
    Orlando, and Sandy Hook, and Boston, and Brussels, etc. were ‘false flags.’
    
    The government has a ‘weather weapon’ that ‘can create and steer groups of tornadoes.’
    
    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/5-insane-theories-conspiracy-theorist-and-trump-supporter-alex-jones
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:21pm
Manolo

When money is not a problem:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielasirtori/2016/10/12/facebook-billionaire-dustin-moskovitz-pledges-an-extra-15-million-to-stop-trump/#37a04ca8776a

Piorities USA Action, a super PAC aimed at propelling Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton to the Oval Office, got a windfall this past weekend.
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October 13, 2016 11:28am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Trump is incredible, the fact that he has made it this far with the entire ((( US media))), Dem and Republican Establishment, (((Wall Street))) against him and rigging the election.
  
  The main thing that has come out of this US Presidential campaign is that white working class America now sees just how much the (((Globalist Elite))) hates them and wants them ethnically cleansed by repopulation of the US with Third Worlders.
  
  And the story is not that different here in NZ.
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:38am
  - tom hunter
    
    Trump certainly is incredible; he’s managed to blow up an election even worse than I expected him to.
    
    I wonder what the bellowing geniuses who promoted him will think when they not only have a President Hillary, but a Democrat Senate and perhaps even the House – plus a Democrat Supreme Court? Will reality finally bite? Will they realise what they’ve done to themselves?
    
    Nah – like their hero, they never lose, even when they lose huge. It will always be somebody else’s fault: rigged polls, rigged elections, whah, whah, whah.
    
    Fucking flopsweat loser talk from life’s losers. But I don’t think even that talk will wipe away the stain of knowing that he lost to the worst Democrat candidate in living memory.
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:23pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      tom.
      Remind me again who it was that promoted the “sex talk” video that dragged this election into the gutter?
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:30pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Don – this was always going to happen with Trump. Always. It was written in stone. He’d talked and written about his success with Te Ladies, almost endlessly since I first heard him bragging and boasting in late 80’s USA. Crowing about his cheating wih married woman and all the rest.
        
        The key difference here was hearing his voice. But they’ll be plenty more where that came from.
        
        And I can blame his opponents in the GOP primary as well, all eyeing eachother as the “real” threat, while they let this clown escape through the middle.
        
        But ultimately it’s the voters: they live in reality TV and they got a reality TV Presidential candidate. It’s amazing, yet not surprising, how different a tune is being sung to that of the All Powerful, Unstoppable, Trump I was hearing about two months ago. How he’d “smash” Hillary everywhere and anywhere.
        
        Morons. Utter, fucking morons. Welcome to what it feels like to be NZ and UK Labour 2016.
        
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        October 13, 2016 12:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Can Pence and Trump swap places?
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:35pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Fucks sake, enough with the tinfoil hat (((zionist))) conspiracy shit. Yes the rich and powerful tend to vote for and support campaigns that go along with their preferences and beliefs. But so does everyone else too, it is not some grand conspiracy.
    
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    October 13, 2016 4:44pm
stephieboy

Jazz-Hands Mc Feels,

the entire ((( US media))), Dem and Republican Establishment, (((Wall Street))) against him and rigging the election.

Breitbart, Washinton Times , Fox , WND , Alex Jones etc ???

Rigging the election ? Evidence ?

NZ ethnically cleansed and repopulated by Third Worlders ?
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October 13, 2016 11:45am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  ” Evidence ?”
  
  Have you not been keeping up with the latest wiki leaks, cupcake?
  
  Or this sleuth’s reports:
  
  New York Election Board Commission blabs while being secretly recorded that buses are used to ship minority race voters around districts to fraudulently vote there.
  
  The commisioner points out that it is against NY law to ask voters for ID, so getting illegals and race minorities to rig elections is easy.
  
  HIDDEN CAM: NYC Democratic Election Commissioner, “They Bus People Around to Vote”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0
  
  Why do you think the Dems refuse to support voter id systems? They are engaging in massive election fraud.
  
  Then there is the (((US media))) and its blatant campaigning for Killary.
  
  And so on and so on.
  
  You need to educate yourself on what is going on, steph.
  
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  October 13, 2016 12:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Republicans’ “voter fraud” false flag: Voter ID laws offer imaginary solutions to imaginary problems
    
    Recent Gallup poll finds a majority of Americans consider “statistically nonexistent” voter fraud a real problem
    
    “At the risk of employing an overused quote, the 20th Century’s most notorious propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, famously said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.” There are innumerable modern examples of the efficacy of this strategy, repeating a lie, but few are as obvious as the push for voter ID laws as a means of thwarting alleged “voter fraud.”
    
    Following the historically disastrous 2000 election debacle, when the laser-like focus should’ve been all about reforming elections by standardizing the voting process and guaranteeing equal and convenient access to polling places, the GOP, instead, set about attacking a separate and distinct problem; a problem which the party conjured out of thin air, to expressly disenfranchise Democratic voters. It wasn’t about irregularities with voting machines, “hanging chads” or butterfly ballots, they said; it was all about individual voters scamming the system. That was the myth they concocted to cover up the obvious trespass against voting rights. The lie is called “voter fraud….”
    
    http://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/republicans-voter-fraud-false-flag-voter-id-laws-offer-imaginary-solutions-to-imaginary-problems/
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:29pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yes but using Salon as a source is the same as repeating the Democrat and Clinton machine spin line.
      
      The major reason that not a lot of vote fraud is “known” is that investigating it is actively discouraged and labelled racist. There have been widely acknowledged if not definitively proven cases; JFK’s victory over Nixon in 1960 being a case in point. The election hinged on the result in Illinois and it is I suggest broadly acknowledged that the result went Kennedy’s way due to mainly union organized voter fraud.
      
      That is a fairly serious case, a long time ago agreed, but no signs that the risks have reduced. I would have thought that a relatively fraud-proof (and demonstrably so) system is necessary for a Democracy to thrive. The US system is very open to abuse and suspicions will continue to rise until proper investigations are permitted. The law is that only US Citizens can vote, so why is it illegal to ask if a voter is a citizen ?
      
      Of course as it is in the Democrats interest to enable non-citizens to vote (including dead and other non-existing persons) they will fight by any means possible to prevent proper investigations because of why such would reveal.
      
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      October 13, 2016 3:29pm
      - Fletch
        
        It’s interesting that in the 2012 election, Obama won states that did not have voter I.D laws by 99%, and sometimes 100% of the vote. I just can’t see that happening. Very fishy.
        
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        October 13, 2016 4:30pm
All_on_Red

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/79929846/Second-peeping-tom-caught-in-Auckland-suburb

Wonder if they started out lurking in cafes.
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October 13, 2016 11:56am
- Manolo
  
  Could they be residents of multicultural Mt Roskill? 😀
  Some are known to suffer from sexual repression…
  
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  October 13, 2016 11:58am
  - sooty
    
    Or hanging around disabled toilets.
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:24pm
Ross12

The reality is the rest of the world is laughing at the USA either directly ( A Russian Minister is reported as saying there “too many pussies on both sides in the USA election”) or by just getting on with building their own countries with developments which will make the USA with it’s broken down infrastructure look second rate.

Look at what China is doing ( note I say doing, not just talking about it)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/eurasian-century-now-unstoppable
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October 13, 2016 12:04pm
- Manolo
  
  One has to blame the Obama administration for the steady decline of the reputation of the United States.
  
  The piss-weak incompetent that inhabits the White House has a lot to answer for.
  
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  October 13, 2016 12:12pm
  - Fletch
    
    Is all part of Obama’s warped mindset that no nation should be more powerful than any other, so he has sought to weaken the U.S in many ways. He has inherited his father’s anti-colonialism thinking.
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo and Fletch , it must be hard to be a part of sinking ship
    
    glug, glug , glug !
    
    http://crooksandliars.com:8080/files/primary_image/15/08/anchor_baby_trump.jpg
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:31pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

It is dawning on US Progressives/ (((Global Elitists))) that Trump is only the beginning of the push back by white working class Americans:

(((New York Times)))

Article by Roger (((Cohen))):

“Trump likes to bloviate about China and unfair trade deals, but you can take China out of the equation and the American jobs lost to cheap labor in Asia are not coming back. Robots are doing those jobs, artificial intelligence is replacing them, and technology is advancing at an unprecedented pace in ways that make human beings redundant.

People know this. They feel the tectonic plates shifting, not only of America’s place in the world after two wars without victory, but also of production, employment, their livelihoods. Precariousness is the new normal. Everything is visible, including the immense wealth of the rich. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/opinion/trumpism-after-trump.html
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October 13, 2016 12:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jazz-Hands Mc Feels,
  
  Do you seriously believe along with Alex Jones that the US government has a big weather making and destruction machine that has and is causing the Tornado destruction in the mid west ??
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ZW3Io7IxI
  
  And that Sandy Hook and Orlando were false flags staged by rise actors ?
  
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  October 13, 2016 12:35pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Do you seriously believe that Quantitative Easing has saved the US economy which is now doing fine re: Obama, Killary?
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      First, address and authenticate Alex Jones weather manipulation and flag claims .
      
      Does the US Govt have a weather making and manipulation machine that causes Hurricanes and Tornados ?
      
      Was Sandy Hook , Orlando , Boston bombing staged ?
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jazz didn’t say that’s what the US govt did and he is not responsible for what others say. (See Jazz? Check out no 1 on my list below)
        Found that evidence Bill did a DNA test yet?
        If its true then given Bill is so famous it must be easy to find,
        
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        October 13, 2016 12:56pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Nice try at changing the subject, by the way 😉
    
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    October 13, 2016 12:37pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Jazz
      You’ll learn a few things about Stephie after awhile
      1. He misrepresents and lies about what you have said
      2. He’ll ask questions and demand evidence but never responds when asked himself (or see 3)
      3. Often the links he uses to back up his statements don’t do that at all and often have nothing to do with what he said
      4. He is blind to all reasonable argument and has zero objectivity.
      5. His support for Islam and Hillary is extreme
      6. He flies around this blog sqwarking like a seagull and dropping shit everywhere.
      7. And, well…sorry, but he’s a bit thick too.
      
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      October 13, 2016 12:47pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Extremely juicy wikileaks of emails from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta:

Iran Deal “condemns the next generation to cleaning up a nuclear war.”

From:john.podesta@gmail.com To: john@algpolling.com Date: 2015-07-15 19:33 Subject: Re: you call it

Yup

On Jul 15, 2015 5:21 PM, “John Anzalone”

wrote:
> “This agreement condemns the next generation to cleaning up a nuclear
> war in the Persian Gulf… This is the greatest appeasement since Chamberlain
> gave Czechoslovakia to Hitler.”

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/727
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October 13, 2016 12:35pm
Ed Snack

Another fascinating reveal in the Podesta emails.

Ira Magaziner, who is Vice Chairman and CEO of the Clinton Health Access Initiative, sent an email to John Podesta and Amitabh Desai, Director of Foreign Policy at the Clinton Foundation, in which he said that “CHAI [Clinton Health Access Initiative] would like to request that President Clinton call Sheik Mohammed to thank him for offering his plane to the conference in Ethiopia and expressing regrets that President Clinton’s schedule does not permit him to attend the conference.”

He appears to be referring to Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Ali Al-‘Amoudi, a Saudi Arabian and Ethiopian billionaire businessman, whose net worth was estimated at Forbes at $8.3 billion as of 2016.

He is also a prominent donor of the Clinton Health Access Initiative.

To this the response by Desai is a very simple one: “Unless Sheikh Mo has sent us a $6 million check, this sounds crazy to do.”

At this point, Bill Clinton’s former chief advisor and current president of the infamous Teneo Holding Doug Band, chimes in that it probably is a good idea: “If he doesn’t do it Chai will say he didn’t give the money bc of wjc.”

Finally, John Podesta chimes in: “I agree with Doug and this seems rather easy and harmless and not a big time sink.”

Pay to Play ! Of course this is normal, nothing to see here, move along please. Oh look, John Podesta accuses Russian Intelligence of hacking his emails, and the FBI is investigating. Apparently they have absolute proof that Putin ordered it but as he didn’t mean to and there was no intent to commit harm (the emails are innocent banter after all), no charges will follow…
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October 13, 2016 12:39pm
- Manolo
  
  Rotten to the core. The same Clinton Mafia which will be selling political favours after the next election.
  
  The United States has lost the plot.
  
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  October 13, 2016 12:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo , Lost the plot The U S needsPutin and Russian Intelligence to hack emails and falsify them ?
    
    https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/784539641529720832
    
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    October 13, 2016 1:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ed Snack ,
  
  The Podesta emails are bogus ,
  
  THE SCOOP
  DEAR DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN, I AM NOT SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL
  BY KURT EICHENWALD ON 10/10/16 AT 7:45 PM
  
  Updated | I am Sidney Blumenthal. At least, that is what Vladimir Putin—and, somehow, Donald Trump—seem to believe. And that should raise concerns not only about Moscow’s attempts to manipulate this election but also about how Trump came to push Russian disinformation to American voters.
  
  An email from Blumenthal—a confidant of Hillary Clinton and a man, second only to George Soros, at the center of conservative conspiracy theories—turned up in the recent document dump by WikiLeaks. At a time when American intelligence believes Russian hackers are trying to interfere with the presidential election, records have recently been fed to WikiLeaks out of multiple organizations of the Democratic Party. But now that I have been brought into the whole mess—and transformed into Blumenthal—there is even more proof that the Russians are not only orchestrating this act of cyberwar but also really, really dumb.
  
  The latest emerged thanks to the incompetence of Sputnik—the Russian online news and radio service established by the government-controlled news agency Rossiya Segodnya—which took words written by me and attributed them to Blumenthal…”
  
  http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
  
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  October 13, 2016 1:01pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Jesus stephie take some meds and lie down. There’s a good dhimmi.
    
    Your mania is showing again.
    
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    October 13, 2016 1:21pm
  - Ross12
    
    Keep trying stephieboy, some idiot will believe the “bogus” bit at some stage, but don’t hold your breath.
    
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    October 13, 2016 1:39pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    As Christine Keeler said “Of course he would say that…”
    
    Do you know that after he was hacked, and knew he’d been hacked, Podesta didn’t even change his passwords ! That’s like the DNC , who after their email system was hacked……emailed out new ones.
    
    And people want to give the nuclear codes to people with this level of retardation.
    
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    October 13, 2016 3:32pm
All_on_Red

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-wikileaks.html?_r=0

Just out. Podesta had a chance to say they were fake and hasn’t…
Very telling.
In fact he has admitted he was hacked!
‘John D. Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, said Tuesday that Russian intelligence officials intent on swaying the election to Donald J. Trump had been responsible for the illegal breach into his account.’
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October 13, 2016 1:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red ,
  
  and not forgeting ,
  
  Official Warning: #PodestaEmails are already proving to be riddled with obvious forgeries & #blackpropaganda not even professionally done.Malcolm Nance added,
  
  Please be skeptical of alleged #PodestaEmails. Trumpists are dirtying docs. Not all will be as lame as this one is.KA Semenova added,
  
  https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/784539641529720832
  
  Heh, heh , heh … !
  
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  October 13, 2016 1:14pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lol, a tweet is your ‘evidence’?
    I think I will wait for Podesta and the FBI to confirm that.
    Ok Creepyboy?
    Heh, heh, heh….!
    
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    October 13, 2016 1:17pm
stephieboy

All on Red , well try this Trump …sucker ,

Fake Podesta/Blumenthal email

Holy shit. I’ve got chills. A Kremlin-controlled news source comes up with something demonstrably false, and within what, hours?!?! Donald Trump repeats it. And uses it as another call to “lock her up”.

This is like something out of a Cold War spy novel. It’s hard to believe that it’s real life.

Read more: http://pandce.proboards.com/thread/554818/fake-podesta-blumenthal-email#ixzz4MvIbj28B

and,

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
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October 13, 2016 2:12pm
All_on_Red

How about this one?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6777

Podesta being a bigot calling Hispanics ‘needy’
Oh dear, cast your peeping peepers on that.
Actually, if Russia has hacked them, then good on them for exposing how corrupt and two faced these people are.
Oh, and you posting something four times doesn’t make it right…

Edit, just read your first link. It says ‘ this is fucked up’
Hahahaha
And you call me a sucker. You’re an idiot
Heh, heh, heh… !
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October 13, 2016 2:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Is it wrong to describe some members of a minority group as disadvantaged or deprived ?
  
  Sure beats being called ” Rapists”, Criminals ” etc ,
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b
  
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  October 13, 2016 4:21pm
Manolo

Is he Bill’s kid?
http://www.infowars.com/bill-clinton-son-tells-hillary-step-aside/

My name is Danney Lee Williams. I have many compelling reasons to believe that I am the biological son of former President William Jefferson Clinton — also known as Bill Clinton.

I am simply seeking the truth, and thus I am respectfully requesting that former President Clinton supply a court verified sample of his DNA to be compared with mine to determine paternity.
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October 13, 2016 2:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, sorry old cock ( excuse pun )but Time looked in to this and a paternity test came up with zero Zilch ,
  
  “Using the Starr Report’s FBI analysis of Clinton’s DNA as its reference, Star paid former prostitute Bobbie Ann Williams, the source for the Globe article, and her 13-year-old son for their story and blood samples. And the result: “There was no match. Not even close,” says a Star source. (The Starr Report contains sufficient data to make a valid DNA comparison to rule out paternity.) But if the tabloid was disappointed by the results, it’s putting up a good, Brill’s Content-ready front. Says editor in chief Phil Bunton: “We investigate dozens of stories every week, and if they don’t prove to be true, we don’t run them…
  
  The Starr Report contains sufficient data to make a valid DNA comparison to rule out paternity,” TIME magazine reported.
  
  The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that 13-year old Danny Williams is now dealing with the news that Bill Clinton is not his father.
  
  “Danny is holding up fine … doing quite well,” a source close to the situation in Arkansas explained on Saturday.
  
  “For him, this was always just a search for the truth,” the source added.
  
  In what now must be viewed as a cruel hoax by the boy’s mother — Bobbie Ann Williams even gave a paid interview to PARAMOUNT’s HARD COPY detailing her “relationship” with Bill Clinton — the story of sex for money that ended in pregnancy itself, in the end, was debunked and flunked by science. ..
  
  So, what’s the evidence before us?
  
  1. We have the sudden revisiting, in the final weeks of the 2016 presidential campaign, of a 1992 tabloid story claiming Bill Clinton had an illegitimate son by a prostitute — a story that all but disappeared in 1999 after it was reported that DNA testing failed to establish that Clinton was the father.
  
  2. We have two social media accounts in Danney Williams’ name, neither more than a year old, describing him as “the son of the 42nd President of the United States — Bill Clinton.”
  
  3. We have a plethora of head shots purporting to show a family resemblance between Clinton and Williams.
  
  4. We have a frenetic, 11th-hour effort by partisan web sites — including Drudge Report, which in 1999 concluded that it had been “debunked and flunked by science” — to peddle the Clinton love child narrative to voters.”
  
  Our verdict: unproven.
  
  http://www.snopes.com/bill-clinton-illegitimate-son/
  
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  October 13, 2016 4:14pm
  - Fletch
    
    Uhuh, they why was Clinton paying the William’s $700 a month in their mailbox, plus delivering Christmas gifts by way of Arkansas state troopers? It only stopped when he went into the White House.
    
    As far as I have read, there was no real paternity test done. There was a tabloid story about it, but whether that was true or not no one knows. Quoting left-wing site Snopes is neither here not there.
    
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    October 13, 2016 4:35pm
dime

Currently sitting by a pool on the GC.

So many trashy tattoos around surfers. Just awful.

The light rail they installed rocks. Changed the entire experience here.

I’m too scared to google the economics behind it though
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October 13, 2016 2:32pm
- RF
  
  It’s been beautiful weather but it changed today. Noosa was fantastic …. I could live there.
  
  Too many of our cousins in Surfers who give the place a bad name.
  
  Heading to cool Victoria … just like NZ in many ways.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:55pm
wreck1080

Hate the mainstream media, especially stories like this…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11728198
10 ways to smash 500 calories from your daily intake without noticing

1) Drop the sauces and spreads
3) Reduce the size of your coffee(and drop the sugar)
4) Cut your meat portions
5) Ditch the filler carbs
9) Go for low alcohol wine or beer

I just highlighted the points that i would notice significantly.

It is just a plain lie to say ‘without noticing’.

Imagine a big mac without the delicious mayo sauce, as one example.

Click bait.

It has been a slow day haha.
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October 13, 2016 3:19pm
Stars And Stripes

No Māori councillors, no surprise for Taranaki iwi leader
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/315336/no-maori-councillors,-no-surprise-for-iwi-
“”It’s not surprising actually and we’ve known that that’s the case – [we] know that we’re a minority, know that majority votes always win out in elections such as this.”

Sounds like crap to me lady as you are saying Māori cannot get elected in New Plymouth because they are a minority.
Well Howie Tamati served as a councillor for 16 years winning multiple elections and oh shit yes he is a Māori.
Maybe if that sop Andrew Judd hadn’t turned the voters off Māori issues big time or some decent Māori candidates without pink hair had have stood then the outcome may have been different.
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October 13, 2016 3:32pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Translation: Democracy is un-democratic when it doesn’t produce the result you want.
  
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  October 13, 2016 3:42pm
- kowtow
  
  If “Maori” were the homogenous block that the media and activists claim them to be then surely if they got their act together they could be a real force to reckon with ,especially with the relatively low voter turnout in local elections, simple really.
  
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  October 13, 2016 6:33pm
cha

Oh dear.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CunIeJlXEAErEUt.jpg:large
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October 13, 2016 3:37pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Not a good end to the week for Don the Octopus cha. But fear not; Hillary and Bill are ratbags therefore, it’s all good for Don; he can do no wrong.
  
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  October 13, 2016 3:46pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Great headline BTW: Tawdry Trump Perv Scandal.
  
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  October 13, 2016 3:47pm
- tom hunter
  
  Just one aspect of the change with Trump supporters is that they’re no longer claiming that useless “cuckservatives” are not needed and would be left behind in the wake of the yuugge Trump tsunami, but are actually to blame for his failures.
  
  Turns out that “Establishment Republicans” were not entirely useless then – which was entirely predictable. Like their hero, these guys will create an alternate reality where he didn’t lose.
  
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  October 13, 2016 3:52pm
  - cha
    
    Jeb Bush super PAC guy Luke Thompson is mightily impressed by the rat fucking.
    
    Ok. Trump is horrible. But I want to talk a little bit about the oppo dump that's happening in real time. This is world class work folks. 1/— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 12, 2016
    
    This is a brilliantly coordinated drop, with staggered embargoes. First, notice the mix of local outlets and national outlets. 2/— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 12, 2016
    
    There's a great mix of print and broadcast as well. Start with the NYT to get eyeballs on the web and TV. CNN picks it up immediately 3/— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 12, 2016
    
    Ok. Now you've got a story rolling. Within an hour, you start to get multiple waves coming out of local outlets. These get picked up. 4/— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 12, 2016
    
    Within ninety minutes you've got reporters reporting on existing reporting. The cycle is locked in. Nobody's assessing the stories. 5/— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 12, 2016
    
    And here's the kicker: the victims live in FL, OH, even UT. THEY'RE ALL SWING STATES! It's masterful to be honest. Take a bow. /fin— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 12, 2016
    
    edit:
    
    This isn't the bottom. We're not even close.— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 13, 2016
    
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    October 13, 2016 5:55pm
SPC

Guiliani now openly lies for Trump/against Clinton.

“Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani accused Clinton of failing to honour the victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre, suggesting at one point that she lied about visiting Ground Zero in the aftermath.

“Don’t tell me, if you said that, that you remember September 11, 2001. I remember September 11, 2001,” Giuliani said at the Trump campaign rally. “Yes, you helped to get benefits for the people who were injured one day. But I heard her say she was there that day. I was there that day, I don’t remember seeing Hillary Clinton there.”

While Clinton was not in New York on September 11 – she regularly mentions being in Washington that day – she flew there on September 12, in one of the few airplanes allowed to travel in the aftermath of the attacks. Pictures of Giuliani and Clinton inspecting the destruction together are widely available.”

Presumably its a conspiracy of the MSM to have preserved such evidence to deny the lies credibility.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11728333
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October 13, 2016 3:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  SPC, wonder if Rudolph Giuliani believes Trump’s story of thousands of Muslims across the Hudson cheering the WTC attacks ?
  
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  October 13, 2016 4:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X:
    
    They weren’t cheering the attacks. They were yelling to the plane-hijack “martyrs”: “Don’t take all the virgins in Paradise! Leave some for your brothers!
    
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    October 13, 2016 4:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Just across the Hudson in New Jersey ?
      
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      October 13, 2016 4:25pm
Jack5

The New Zealand MSM are enjoying socking it to Trump, but this in the Hooerald today, near the end of an article on Trump, is laughable:

Trump was also interviewed by TV3 (now Newshub) while visiting New Zealand in 1993 as part of a consortium bidding for a casino operator’s licence.

In the interview, Trump said some women were more beautiful than others.
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October 13, 2016 3:59pm
- sooty
  
  He’s right, some women should shave!
  
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  October 13, 2016 4:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! I am sorry. This piece I attributed to the Hooerald is actually from Stuff.
  
  It’s near the end.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/85300118/women-claim-donald-trump-touched-them-inappropriately
  
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  October 13, 2016 4:15pm
waripori

I understand it is fairly unusual for a party in US politics to effectively win a third term. Bush senior did but he was Reagan’s VP and Reagan was enormously popular. You could not say that about Obama at the beginning of this campaign ( he did say at the Correspondents dinner that Cruz and Trump may have had something to with his rising popularity). With no VP running and with Clintons baggage the Democrats should have been toast this time. Trump really has done a great job so far.
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October 13, 2016 4:19pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Labour is promising an extra 1000 cops on the beat.
Yes, there is a case for more cops, as there is for more efficient deployment and technology backup.
1000 sounds like a nice headline-grabbing number, but how much research went into coming up with it?
Why isn’t it 1017, or 973?
Typical Labour ‘shoot from the hip’ bullshit.
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October 13, 2016 5:30pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
I see you omitted the below from your Snopes link about Bill Clintons supposed DNA test.

‘There were a couple of issues with the reliability of the paternity test, however. One was its origin: the tabloids. Despite running with the story, Time’s only source for the Clinton paternity results was Star magazine (indeed, The Clintons’ War on Women co-author and former Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone claims there is no evidence the test was ever conducted). The other was a 1999 piece published in Slate arguing that because it was based on the limited analysis provided in the Starr Report and not a new DNA sample, the test results were inconclusive:
The FBI performed two genetic fingerprinting tests on the president’s DNA. The Starr report, for unexplained reasons, gives data only for the less specific of the two tests.’

Interesting omission by you. A poor quality test.
Heh, heh, heh…. !
Given the poor test it’s fair to call paternity unproven so perhaps a better test should be done.
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October 13, 2016 5:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , just a reminder who Roger Stone is . Until August he was at the forefront as Trump’s campaign advisor and then ” dropped ” back and is now Trump’s “confidente “.
  
  He gained notoriety by smearing Ted Cruz claiming that his father had a hand in assassinating JFK ( obviously unsubstantiated ) and that Bernie Sanders should be hung for high Treason . Stone has built up a formidable reputation for smearing and posting highly abusive sundry comments on social media directed at various MSM media presenters and journalists .,
  
  Much more here about his voluminous shady and sleaze bag political skullduggery and thuggery !
  
  http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-dirty-trickster-staggeringly-shady-dealings-political-operative-roger-stone
  
  I think that we can, therefore, be highly skeptical in regards his claims that test was never done .
  
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  October 13, 2016 6:20pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Stephie
    I know who Stone is. Snopes raised the uncertainty and that’s YOUR source.So where’s the CONCLUSIVE evidence that Clinton isn’t the father, which is what you keep claiming.
    That omission is just classic from you.
    You are either a deliberate liar or stupid.
    Which is it?
    
    Or as Tom Hunter would say, “embrace the power of ‘and’.”
    Heh, heh, heh… !
    
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    October 13, 2016 6:27pm
Reid

FBI, DOJ roiled by Comey, Lynch decision to let Clinton slide by on emails, says insider

The decision to let Hillary Clinton off the hook for mishandling classified information has roiled the FBI and Department of Justice, with one person closely involved in the year-long probe telling FoxNews.com that career agents and attorneys on the case unanimously believed the Democratic presidential nominee should have been charged.

The source, who spoke to FoxNews.com on the condition of anonymity, said FBI Director James Comey’s dramatic July 5 announcement that he would not recommend to the Attorney General’s office that the former secretary of state be charged left members of the investigative team dismayed and disgusted. More than 100 FBI agents and analysts worked around the clock with six attorneys from the DOJ’s National Security Division, Counter Espionage Section, to investigate the case.

“No trial level attorney agreed, no agent working the case agreed, with the decision not to prosecute — it was a top-down decision,” said the source, whose identity and role in the case has been verified by FoxNews.com.

A high-ranking FBI official told Fox News that while it might not have been a unanimous decision, “It was unanimous that we all wanted her [Clinton’s] security clearance yanked.”

“It is safe to say the vast majority felt she should be prosecuted,” the senior FBI official told Fox News. “We were floored while listening to the FBI briefing because Comey laid it all out, and then said ‘but we are doing nothing,’ which made no sense to us.”

The FBI declined to comment directly, but instead referred Fox News to multiple public statements Comey has made in which he has thrown water on the idea that politics played a role in the agency’s decision not to recommend charges.

Let’s watch stupidboy as he furiously googles Comey’s statements and trimuphantly tables them as if they have any relevance at all. Either that or he’ll google something completely different and demand I answer a question totally unrelated to what I’ve just posted. Won’t you, stupidboy.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/13/fbi-doj-roiled-by-comey-lynch-decision-to-let-clinton-slide-by-on-emails-says-insider.html
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October 13, 2016 6:02pm
Inandout

An Alabama woman told of in 1982 seeing Trump run into a kindergarten, grab a 2 year old child, and then proceed to eat her limb by limb. Snopes has verified the story. The Washington Post has carried the breaking story as a front page article. This story is expected to relegate the other ancient sex encounters exposes to page three.
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October 13, 2016 6:15pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You missed the part where he kicked a puppy on the way in and burnt four kittens as a sacrifice to Satan on the way out.
  
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  October 13, 2016 6:28pm
  - cha
    
    And the dead girl, the live boy and all the barn yard fun.
    
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    October 13, 2016 6:41pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      And then he went out on a date with his daughter.
      
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      October 13, 2016 6:45pm
stephieboy

Inandout , but not, of course, it happens to be one of the Clintons ?

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
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October 13, 2016 6:29pm
wiseowl

What is scary about the US situation is that now the wikileaks emails are showing the corruption taking place and the moves going on behind the scenes by the democrats aided by the media , we can see connections with our own system .
Kiwis are too slow and too sleepy to understand the manipulation that is taking place and the links to big players in the world that are leading us down the garden path.
Extraordinary times.
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October 13, 2016 6:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiseowl, those WikiLeaks have nothing on Trump dirty tricks sleaze bags Roger Stone
  
  http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-dirty-trickster-staggeringly-shady-dealings-political-operative-roger-stone
  
  and this animal ,
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/07/20/twitter-permanently-bans-trump-supporting-journa
  and ,list-milo-yianno/
  
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  October 13, 2016 6:39pm
wreck1080

The EQC must be extremely corrupt.

Fair go showed a single basic garage, cost 85,000 to build.

The EQC will not comment due to ‘commercial sensitivity’.

Methinks ‘commerical sensitivity’ = corruption.

nz is so full of crooks, the ones at eqc just don’t get jailed.
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October 13, 2016 6:33pm
Morrissey

You might think that the United States is full of mindless, thoughtless, easily manipulated people like the no-hopers chanting “Make America Great Again!” or “Hillary For America!” In fact, there are millions of smart and independent-minded Americans.

Even though the levers of power in the U.S. are—for now, at least—in the hands of reprehensible, cowardly and criminal types, when you read about courageous young people like the following, it’s difficult to be pessimistic about the future….

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/23/students-are-pulling-a-kaepernick-all-over-america-and-being-threatened-for-it/
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October 13, 2016 6:54pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Kaepernick is an idiot being led by the cock by his radical girlfriend but that aside.Do you think the Millenials see through Hillary’s mendacity and will stay home and not vote?
  
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  October 13, 2016 6:58pm
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    I think a lot of them will do exactly that, my friend.
    
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    October 13, 2016 7:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Morrissey , typical of those on the far left you do have a patronising and undivided contempt for the ordinary Ameican millennials or not.
  
  In Chomsky’s fake democracy with its “manufactured consent” where he comfortably resides in his academic post at MIT freely pontificating and commentating at will.
  
  http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/manufacturing.html
  
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  October 13, 2016 7:18pm
  - Morrissey
    
    stephieboy,
    
    You’re often muddled and confused in your commentary, but this one is simply incomprehensible.
    
    Could you, or preferably someone more competent, translate it into English for the rest of us?
    
    Thanks for that.
    
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    October 13, 2016 7:54pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      oooh, a grammar problem.
      bags I have first go.
      
      Sentence one seems to be either a declarative statement or an inverted question.
      I think it translates something along these lines….
      
      1a. Morrissey, as a typical far leftie, you have contempt for ordinary American millenials.
      
      or
      1b. Morrissey, do you, as a typical far leftie, have contempt for ordinary American millenials?
      
      The remainder of stephieboy’s posting defies analysis.
      
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      October 13, 2016 8:08pm
      - nasska
        
        I must protest on stephieboy’s behalf Maggy. English is not his first language & Farsi doesn’t translate easily.
        
        The defence rests its case. 🙂
        
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        October 13, 2016 8:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska
        
        Oh thanks for that bit of info about Farsi..
        
        I’ll be onto it from now on, after I’ve mastered this paper on inversion in Farsi discourse.
        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0388000196000113
        
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        October 13, 2016 8:52pm
      - nasska
        
        When you’ve cracked it Maggy, could you give us an English/Farsi translation of “Good morning & welcome to Bunnings”? 🙂
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:01pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks very much, Maggy.
        
        https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b8e0f5e4b0bbfdca5ca1f0/t/536b7105e4b003ad9f58e455/1399550216011/i+think+.jpg
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska
        
        Bunnings is just about my most favourite store in the whole wide world.
        I don’t care what language I’m greeted in, as long as I’m directed to the correct aisle…
        چه خبر مرد؟
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Morrissey, like most on the far, left you do appear to have a patronising contempt for the aspirations of the ordinary American voter Millenial or not .,
      
      As far as Chomsky is concerned read this ,
      
      https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/alt.society.conservatism/dwMQCzg7MXA/atlDpjlztREJ
      
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      October 13, 2016 8:17pm
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        Sorry, stephie, but until you actually read something by Chomsky, your opinions, being based on ignorance, are simply worthless.
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:05pm
Manolo

Corruption at banana-republic levels:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/roland-martin-cnn-email-donna-brazile-wikileaks-229673

A new email obtained by POLITICO is shedding more light on the mystery of whether and how interim DNC chair Donna Brazile might have obtained the text of a proposed question from a town hall between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in advance, and possibly shared it with the Clinton campaign.

And now CNN, which co-hosted the town hall with cable network TV One, is pointing the finger at its media partner for what appears to be a breach of the traditional secrecy surrounding the questions for such events.
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October 13, 2016 7:07pm
Ross12

Looks like Clinton cannot get fellow leftie and woman Jill Stein talking nicely about her

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/12/green-partys-stein-hillary-clinton-with-nukes-much-scarier-than-donald-trump/

Good to see a senior USA politician waking up to the potential disastrous possibilities from the deteriorating relations between DC and Moscow —which are getting worse by the day with comments from Obama, Clinton and their mates in the EU like Hollande.
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October 13, 2016 7:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross12 , when has Obama or Clinton actually threatened Russia with WW3 or is more concerns about Putin attempting to revive the old Soviet Empire ?
  
  Putin’s Dream of Empire Doesn’t Stop at Crimea, Or Even Ukraine
  Why stop at Crimea? How Putin uses “political myth” to persuade his people they have every right to rebuild their former empire.
  
  https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-chances-of-Vladimir-Putin-rebuilding-and-reforming-the-USSR
  
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  October 13, 2016 7:26pm
- Gabby
  
  It will come as shocking news to Wall St that Hills is a leftie.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:08pm
Ross12

“Obama or Clinton actually threatened Russia with WW3” Your words not mine stephieboy
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October 13, 2016 7:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Good to see a senior USA politician waking up to the potential disastrous possibilities from the deteriorating relations between DC and Moscow”
  
  Expand on this please ?
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:19pm
  - Ross12
    
    Do your own research. Don’t you know how to use Google !!!
    But since you are so lazy here is some help :
    
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/us-russia-tensions-cold-war/
    
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/us-russia-relations/
    
    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/hitting-rock-bottom-55709
    
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-10/russian-tv-fans-war-hysteria-as-u-s-ties-hit-post-cold-war-low
    
    That enough for you ? Plenty more if you take just few moments to look.
    
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    October 13, 2016 8:50pm
Jack5

Another rugby player in trouble. Dillon Halaholo plays for Southland and has played for the Highlanders.

Once again the lawyer applied for discharge without conviction and name suppression.

His lawyer said Halaholo is moving back “home” to Auckland. However, if Halaholo is an import, he should be booked on the plane to home.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11728492
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October 13, 2016 8:25pm
- RF
  
  Thank god the judge convicted Halaholo for wanking in front of young girls. He is a gone burger.
  
  Anyone heard how DC and Rokocoko got on with
  their use of the dodgy drugs hearing in France. It’s not as simple as their agent would have every one believe.
  
  Not a good look for rugby who are supposed to be role models for NZ youth. That’s about 6 suspects in 4 weeks.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:02pm
Fletch

Putin calling officials back to “the Fatherland”?

VLADIMIR Putin has reportedly told officials to fly relatives living abroad back to Russia, leaving many worried about the reason for the “urgent” call.
The Daily Star reports local media as saying Mr Putin wants Russian officials and politicians to return to the “Fatherland” now.
The call extended to elderly relatives overseas and children, even if they are in the middle of the school year.

The newspaper says the edict applies to “administration staff, regional administrators, politicians of all levels and employees of public corporations” and that “anyone who fails to act will put their chances of promotion at risk.”
Russian political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky told the Star: “This is all part of the package of measures to prepare elites to some ‘big war’.”
It comes as relations with the West continue to deteriorate.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/vladimir-putin-orders-russians-abroad-to-return/news-story/7a161b208b03ae76b2237560a090c13c
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October 13, 2016 8:36pm
- Inandout
  
  Someone American caller to Leighton’s show today mentioned that he thought Obama would cancel the election on some pretext like a national emergency. Could be the Russian situation.
  
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  October 13, 2016 10:41pm
RF

From the I kid you not files

Clinton is to be interviewed by a radio station so they send her the script with their questions and her preferred answers.

At the end of the interview there was the word “sigh” in the script. Clinton was supposed to express a sigh to indicate her frustration with Trump.

The stupid bitch spoke the word “sigh”.

Jesus H Christ…. she wants to be president……
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October 13, 2016 8:50pm
- cha
  
  Cite or you’re making shit up.
  
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  October 13, 2016 8:53pm
  - RF
    
    It’s for me to know and you to find out however I will take pity on you. Listen carefully. It’s been all over Fox and now picked up by You Tube. Just look up Clinton sigh. Apparently it’s happened more than once.
    
    The questions and answers were loaded onto a Tele Prompter and she is there in all her glory making a great big dick of herself.
    
    Crooked Hillary lives up to her name.
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:15pm
    - cha
      
      So, a woman who makes a mistake is worthy of a post but you’ve nothing to say about a man who ogles ten year olds.
      
      Nice to see where your priorities lie.
      
      btw, tell us about you big fucking gun, again
      
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      October 13, 2016 9:21pm
      - RF
        
        Jesus how many mistakes does crooked Hillary have to make before you wake up
        
        Anyhow what’s with the big gun complex. I understand there is medication that you can take to enhance your problem.
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:42pm
      - cha
        
        well, you did tell us all about how back in your days as a close protection officer you had a big fucking gun….
        
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        October 13, 2016 9:44pm
- Reid
  
  Yeah that’s old RF, I read that months ago. cha needs to educate himself.
  
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  October 13, 2016 9:22pm
  - cha
    
    The next oppo drop…hiding in plain sight?.
    
    edit: a wee reminder
    
    This isn't the bottom. We're not even close.— Luke Thompson (@ltthompso) October 13, 2016
    
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    October 13, 2016 9:28pm
Reid

watching the Presidential race between Trump and Hillary I am amazed to see how deep and “in your face” the habit of lying, denying the obvious, deceiving and otherwise misrepresenting has permeated the US political discourse.

First and foremost, there is the absolutely unabashed way the corporate Ziomedia is bashing Trump without even so much as a pretense of objectivity or truthfulness. Of course, I always new that the US propaganda machine was lying and that the media was owned by the US deep state, but at least there was this thin veneer or pseudo-objectivity, of having “both sides” heard. Now this is over. When dealing with Trump, we have Orwell’s “Two Minutes of Hate” but spread over 24/7. Not that Trump does not deserve some of it, he sure does, but compared to how real scumbags like the Clintons are treated, the lynching of Trump is, I believe, unprecedented and unique. Why does it matter? Because now the masks have been taken off, the pretenses removed, and what you see is the true face of the corporate media as it always was: hateful, hypocritical and totally corrupted. And since a truly free and independent media is central to a functioning democracy, then the total corruption of the media in the USA is also the proof that this country does not have a functioning democracy.

http://thesaker.is/by-way-of-deception-thou-shalt-lose-your-empire/
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October 13, 2016 9:08pm
Manolo

The elites try to stop Brexit through the courts:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3835902/A-special-kind-arrogance-Brexiteers-condemn-investment-fund-manager-launches-landmark-court-battle-derail-process-leaving-EU.html
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October 14, 2016 6:28am
Manolo

Bob Dylan, Nobel Prize of Literature? A reflection of our times, I guess.
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October 14, 2016 6:53am
Manolo

The crook’s emails in the open:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/hillary-clinton-campaigns-wikileaks-emails-reveal-/

Long before Hillary Clinton called millions of Americans a “basket of deplorables,” her top campaign advisers and liberal allies openly mocked Catholics, Southerners and a host of other groups, according to newly released emails that offer a stunning window into the vitriol inside the Clinton world less than a month before Election Day.
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Manolo

The WaPo endorses the crook:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/washington-post-strongly-backs-hillary-clinton-president-111523671.html

The Washington Post on Thursday became the latest US newspaper to emphatically endorse Hillary Clinton for the White House, saying it was swayed as much by her competence as by the alarming specter of a Donald Trump presidency.
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