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Kimbo

Witness regrets going public after All Black Aaron Smith’s airport toilet encounter with woman
6:09 AM Wednesday Oct 12, 2016

A man who witnessed All Black Aaron Smith slipping into a disabled toilet with a mystery woman says he regrets going public and apologises to the player.

The man, who has asked not to be identified, said he “absolutely” regretted going to the media with the story, after he and his wife and their children saw the couple at Christchurch Airport the day after an All Blacks test last month.

In an email to the Herald, the original tipster said the only organisation they had thought to report the incident to was a particular airline, as they believed the woman involved was an flight attendant or airport employee.

“We thought that was very unprofessional of her. We didn’t end up saying anything to the airline, though.”

He said he never imagined the story would “blow up this big”.

“We have had a lot of abuse since the story broke.

“It was actually my wife who wished to go to the media and it has therefore caused a lot of strain in our relationship this past week,” he said.

“I would like to formally apologise to Aaron Smith and the rugby union for reporting the story.”

Smith received a one-match suspension after the news of his bathroom meeting was made public last week.

Before a flight back home from South Africa, he gave a tearful apology in front of media; apologising to his fans, family and his partner, Teagan Voykovich.

The witness acknowledged that they had a video of the incident, but would not be releasing it publicly any time soon.

“Due to the backlash, we have chosen not to distribute the video.”

Lawyer Natalya King told The Spinoff the couple who made the recording of Smith’s toilet tryst and the outlets that broke the story may have committed an invasion of privacy.

Legally invasion of privacy was the “highly offensive” disclosure of private facts.

The closed toilet cubicle was considered a private space and Christchurch Airport was a private business that prohibited filming within its premises unless permission was granted and a location charge paid.

King said even if the airport was considered a public space that didn’t mean Smith’s sexual activity automatically lost its privacy status.

And even if Smith’s prominent All Black status put him in the public eye, according to law a person’s right to privacy could be diminished if there was legitimate public concern in the matter. This, according to the courts, covered issues like public health and safety or the conduct of the government.

She said although that might automatically mean well-known figures had a lesser right to privacy an All Black and his sex life rated at a far lower level in national importance.

Veteran Auckland public relations consultant Cedric Allan said there was little chance Smith would ever shake the infamy.

It would cost him financially, in lost potential endorsement deals, and emotionally.

“It’s up to the All Blacks’ management whether this affects his future playing career. [But] he will always be known as the All Black who did this, just like older people know [former All Black] Keith Murdoch was sent home from the [1972] tour for punching someone.

“That’s the thing with reputation – it can take a lifetime to build and less than a second to destroy.”

Redemption could come, but it would take a long time.

A quicker journey might be to distinguish himself in another career, or do something so amazing it eclipsed his previous behaviour, Allan said.

“He’d have to save half a dozen drowning people at the beach. He is going to pay a horrendous price for this, way out of proportion to the seriousness of the offence.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11727063

Gutless coward. Still hasn’t got the guts to put his name out in public as Aaron’s Smith’s is…and now he tries to throw his wife under the bus for going to the media with the story! Don’t like the “abuse”. Shoulda thought of that before you decided to shit on someone’s life and use the excuse “will no one think of the children?!”.

And some dickhead whore-for-hire consultant comparing Smith to Keith Murdoch?! Total loss of perspective…
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October 12, 2016 8:06am
- SGA
  
  @Kimbo
  
  The man, who has asked not to be identified, said he “absolutely” regretted going to the media with the story
  
  And an adverb abuser! – beyond redemption.
  
  Total loss of perspective…
  
  Agreed
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:11am
- holysheet
  
  Quick, put him on TV tearing up and offering an apology to Smith and saying he is sorry, that it’s all the missus fault. She made me do it Blah blah blah.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:22am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  I didn’t and don’t agree with him being named, and would have preferred the RU do say that it was a private matter, it must have been a close decision for them not to do so and he may well have a claim against them for constructive dismissal if his contract affords him that basic right. I think they’ve let him down, so now is the time to support him if the damage is not too deep and he decides to take a hike.
  
  Bit of irony an indignant anonymous commentator calling the father a gutless coward even after the man apologised.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:22am
- dime
  
  We always knew it was the wife.
  She was loving it
  
  “he’s a role model. He gets paid a lot of money ” etc all the key phrases one would use trying to be popular on talk back.
  
  This dude needs to learn how to control his bitch
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:27am
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, dime, not that I am in favour of corrupting the thousands of children who regularly read Kiwiblog (!), but I was really (adverb alert!) surprised when you posted yesterday that snorting a line of coke off a prostitute’s hip should be on every man’s bucket list…
    
    and frankly (adverb alert!) I’m appalled you failed to keep true to your carefully (adverb alert!) -cultivated on-line persona
    
    …when you implied only one hooker at a time.
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:54am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ dime
      
      It’s about keeping up standards, dime, and being an appropriate role-model. I do anal retentive, Odakyu-sen gives the Japanese perspective, Scott does his…thing, as does stephie
      
      …and dime is the resident apostle of dissipation, dissolution and decadence.
      
      Will no one think of the children?! 😉
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:11am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Generally speaking, I don’t take much notice of my writing style, but for you I am going to seriously make an effort to cut down on adverbs.
      
      Will I fail? Absolutely!
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:52am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Crap, pushed the wrong button Dime, sorry!
    
    The wife probably wanted to report it because her husband noticed the woman was attractive and was pissed off.
    
    Seriously tho, vindictive bitch married to a gutless wanker. Go figure.
    
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    October 12, 2016 1:48pm
  - Gabby
    
    You’d have to be a perverted piece of slime and mentally deficicient to deny the girlfriend’s right to know her scum boyfriend is potentially riddled with VD.
    
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    October 12, 2016 6:16pm
  - Viking2
    
    I recall listening to her on the telly. Definitely a pom.
    
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    October 12, 2016 7:52pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  The husband, in throwing his wife under the bus, has obviously never heard of the old truth “Happy wife, happy life”. Little wonder this situation has “caused a lot of strain in our relationship this past week: 😀
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:28am
  - G152
    
    Diddums.
    Deserves all he gets and hopefully we’ll find out who they are and can give them a demonstration of what its like to be public pariahs
    
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    October 12, 2016 9:07am
- cmm
  
  “A man who witnessed All Black Aaron Smith slipping into a disabled toilet with a mystery woman says he regrets going public and apologises to the player.
  The man, who has asked not to be identified…”
  
  An anonymous apology is not an apology. Gotta man up.
  
  So should the media. Snooping into other people’s lives is not news is is sleazy tabloid stuff – how low the modern journalist stoops.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:41am
- Rich Prick
  
  Snitches are never popular. Initially I’m sure they were hoping to bask in their 15 minutes of fame. The price of those 15 minutes to others never occurred to them. Ironically they now demand anonymity for themselves after so publicly denying it to their victims. Shameful.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:49am
- KevinH
  
  Public figures, celebrities, all have a right to privacy and in this instance Aaron Smith’s privacy was violated because the interior of Christchurch Airport is private property and secondly filming or recording audio in a toilet is a criminal offence.
  The public interest argument is fallacious, it is not an excuse to break the law by invading a person’s privacy in such a surreptitious manner.
  Should video of the incident surface in the media then I would expect the Police to uphold the law and prosecute the offenders.
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:10am
- Lance
  
  So just to get it straight here.
  Was it, or was it not right for Aaron Smith to commit adultery in a public toilet
  Is his only fault being caught?
  Does the true fault lie only at the feet of the one who outed him?
  Or is it all fine for anybody to root away in public shithouses with lots of people milling about including kids?
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:25am
  - Kimbo
    
    No, cheating on your partner (not technically “adultery” if you are not married) is not right.
    
    But it is a private matter with little or no intrinsic news value, with a public “need to know”. Or have you not noticed it is hardly ever reported when public broadcasters, or even politicians do it?
    
    And “rooting while kids are around”?! What a load of crap.
    
    The (toilet) door was closed. Pretty much like any responsible adult should do at home when kids are around. Plus, courtesy of the media, kids today live in a sex-saturated world. And you want to join them in “protecting the kids”? I call “bullshit”, just as with this couple “going public with their story for the same reason.
    
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    October 12, 2016 10:26am
- Longknives
  
  “Gutless coward. Still hasn’t got the guts to put his name out in public as Aaron’s Smith’s is…”
  
  Weird logic- He wasn’t the one shagging in the Disabled Toilets when he was supposed to be at work..
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:53am
  - Kimbo
    
    I thought Smith was on his down time waiting for a flight, although admittedly still in his All Black blazer. I think the NZRU would be struggling to enforce a “you can’t have sex in the extended weeks and sometimes months while in the All Black camp” ban in their employment contracts. And it was not in a public place.
    
    At worst Smith used a disabled toilet cubicle when he isn’t disabled. Which is pretty crappy (excuse the pun) and not good. But that isn’t the real story for the media, nor the reason the original arseholes dobbed him in
    
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    October 12, 2016 10:29am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Yeah but it was not a disabled toilet; it was a toilet that could be utilised by men, women and was suitable for those with a disability, it was not exclusively a toilet for the use of those confined to a wheelchair (or some other form of disability)
      
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      October 12, 2016 10:50am
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry, I didn’t realise that. Makes the decision to dob him in – and report it – even worse.
        
        And might I add your use of the adverb “not exclusively” was thoroughly warranted, indeed necessary to give appropriate context. 😉
        
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        October 12, 2016 10:55am
    - SGA
      
      @Kimbo
      
      I thought Smith was on his down time waiting for a flight, although admittedly still in his All Black blazer. I think the NZRU would be struggling to enforce a “you can’t have sex in the extended weeks and sometimes months while in the All Black camp” ban in their employment contracts. And it was not in a public place.
      
      Don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB management took the view that once you assembled as a team for travelling that you were “on the clock”, as it were. Just a thought.
      
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      October 12, 2016 11:10am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeah, probably. Hence the one-week ban.
        
        The real crime as you’ve suggested elsewhere – “getting caught and giving the media an excuse for a witch-hunt – no matter how unjustified” by acting in that often indefinable and amorphous way that “damages the employer’s brand”. Or, the “no dickheads” team protocol (‘scuse the bad pun).
        
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        October 12, 2016 11:19am
      - SGA
        
        Just by way of conversation – I imagine that team management can be a bit of a Scylla and Charybdis situation as well. Some want you to be the fence at the top of the cliff for people with problems or potential problems (e.g., Murdoch, Hewitt, Guilford), others want you to “let boys be boys”.
        That’s a more general comment rather than relating to Aaron Smith in particular.
        
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        October 12, 2016 11:37am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ SGA
        
        Yes.
        
        From what I know speaking to those who have been there, while you get the “special projects” you have to work on, unless they do shape up and can be managed to a certain extent, especially by senior players, they have to go. If not, the core-culture of the team starts to rot, and it is only a matter of time before everyone pays. Longknives and big bruv can be a bit tiresome, but they are probably old enough to remember some of the “arrogant All Blacks” of yesteryear. There was a particularly bad crop in the 1980s and 1990s.
        
        Professional and/or international sport is high pressure and results-driven, both on and off the field. It is not the place for people with serious “issues”, nor passengers, and therefore there is a limit to how much the “set-up” can assist, or even prove unproductive to mental and emotional well-being. Those with “serious issues” will crack. I don’t put Smith in that category, but the others you mention – yes, sadly they were better off out of it. Jesse Ryder, despite his supporters, is another. Or at least he has thus far.
        
        But the way with teams these days is for players especially to set the protocols and standards…and hold fellow players accountable to it. But everyone tends to say the “right thing” when those are set. The real test is when you have to hold people accountable. Then there is the temptation to let it slide or make excuses. But you also have to remember that the environment in which they have to operate is so artificial, almost military. Human nature wants and almost needs to rebel from time to time to retain some sense of individuality, even if subconsciously.
        
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        October 12, 2016 11:46am
      - SGA
        
        Kimbo
        
        But you also have to remember that the environment in which they have to operate is so artificial, almost military.
        
        Very much so, and it’s not surprising given we are talking about something akin to ritualised combat 🙂
        
        Human nature wants and almost needs to rebel from time to time to retain some sense of individuality, even if subconsciously.
        
        And ill-judged rebellion can have it’s consequences – young barristers shouldn’t call the judge an old plonker no matter how accurate that might be.
        
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        October 12, 2016 12:05pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I acknowledge the adverb alert and will try harder in the future.
        
        I will be more alert to this form of grammatical offending in the future as I am well aware that the world needs more lerts
        
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        October 12, 2016 1:04pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  So the guy with the camera and his deranged wife now realise that they are just arsholes
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:14pm
Don the Kiwi

Are the polls really correct?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/the_11point_lead_for_hillary_in_wsjnbc_poll_sure_looks_like_psyops.html

As usual, media in the Clinton’s pocket.
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October 12, 2016 8:06am
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi, from yesterday this New Yorker Jack Shaw mate of yours .
  
  Real or Plagiarism by you from American Thinker ?
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Is the real gap as small as 11 points?
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:21am
- Ross12
  
  Don
  
  Here is another view on that figure –take what you like out of it :
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/latest-nbcwsj-poll-utter-nonsense
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:29am
  - Griff
    
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
    ROFLMAO
    Poor poor pathetic trumpies
    Trump is Losing, losing big , he is the biggest loser, he loses bigger than any one has ever lost before .
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:43am
- Inandout
  
  An interesting article from the same site-
  http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/when_muslims_complain_about_islamophobia.html
  
  This explains the new Islamic invasion, and Europe will surely enter a new Dark Ages, and be laid waste by parasitic and violent migrants’, unless there is push back:
  
  ‘It’s really up to Muslims. If they’re concerned about Islamophobia, they need to call off the jihad. They need to stop killing and persecuting non-Muslims. It won’t be easy, because they’ve been doing it for 1500 years. But that’s the solution.
  
  Islam is a religion of conquest. The jihad is a fundamental tenet of the faith. Mohammed conquered most of the Arabian Peninsula, and the armies of his successors swept into the then-Christian Middle East, across North Africa, and through Spain. After the killing, pillaging, raping, and arson, the fields of Egypt and Sicily, the granaries of Europe, were overrun by the flocks of the conquerors, Muslim pirates infested the Mediterranean, and the jizya, the Islamic tax, was imposed. The European economy was devastated and the Dark Ages commenced’.
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Western Europe’s population is as at 2009 395 million .
    
    How many millions of these Muslims are pouring into and conquering it ???
    
    Which countries have Iran , Egypt , Iraq, Syria etc conquered and annexed of late ?
    
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    October 12, 2016 9:12am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      All those places you mentioned are violent Islamic shitholes where the punishment for being a Christian is a mock trial and 20 years in prison, if you’re lucky. Failing that, practising to be Icarus without the wings.
      Way to pick out the very countries your argument is trying to disprove.
      
      Not the brightest molotov in the crate are you Stephen?
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:42am
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, and your not the brightest ( along with Donald ) to have your paws on the Nuclear codes and yet another contribution from you of stupefying ignorance and stupidity !
        
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        October 12, 2016 10:54am
- cha
  
  As usual, media in the Clinton’s pocket.
  
  Is that you, Jack?.
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  October 12, 2016 9:41am
Padriv Ustoev

The UK has really gone to the dogs lately. All symptoms of the rotting Decadent West. Only embracing Allah will save the British from more degeneracy as this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833010/Herdfordshire-primary-school-teacher-kept-guns-underwear-drawer-jailed-Class-drugs-gang.html
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October 12, 2016 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
  Padriv Ustoev,
  
  are you alluding to this kind of thing?
  
  http://imgur.com/w4woWrg
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:19am
Tom Barker

Glenn Beck declares for Clinton. Starting to feel a bit cold and lonely on the far-right, Trumpeters?
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October 12, 2016 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  Who is Glen Beck? more importantly, Who cares?
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Who is Alex Jones that Trump consorts with ?
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:36am
- dime
  
  He has been pro maggot for ages.
  
  He has lost a ton of viewers because of it.
  
  Hope his creepy little media empire falls
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    But, but , but Glen Beck thinks the President is practically a foreigner and surrounded by Communists and Radicals ,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVE6KWGKJE
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:39am
Happychappy

I see it only takes one day after the holiday break from Parliament for Andrew and Labour to start the whinge,we need compulsory voting in our election and after going on about immigration now it not good enough and it is a flipflop.Andrew wants every thing that benefits Labour to be legislated and when not able to do that defraud the system like he is doing with Matt McCarton
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October 12, 2016 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Andy doesn’t understand free market principles.
  
  If you offer them something worth voting for they will vote. No need to threaten them with violence.
  
  Same for the Maori music awards people the other day that said NZ radio stations should be forced to play Maori music because it is so good. Nope. If it is so good, the people will demand it and the radio stations will play it without you threatening them.
  
  You need to hold a gun to a person’s head to force them to eat a plate of turds. If you offer then a nice steak (or lentils if you want) people will eat it voluntarily.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:46am
- Rich Prick
  
  Just as Ford probably wished it was compulsory to buy cars when it launched the Edsel.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:53am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Compulsory voting is the only way that Angry thinks he can win back the Missing Million.
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:23am
Paulus Gnome

So what did this council cluterfk cost the rate payer after it wound its way through the commissioning and approval processes?

‘Auckland Council approves art, then removes it anyway’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11726953

I even suffered the newspaper advertisement video and understand why the contractors took the ‘art’ away; it was shit.

One of the things that will have to go so we can pay the living wage to council staff.

Has anyone calculated the additional cost downstream as those in the system who have seniority, better qualifications, more time, etc. who will see their position margin reduced, demand more money to maintain their position within the council structure? Those on $20.00 / hour who have been there for ten years, those with some sort of tertiary qualification, those who produce some value for the organisation?

$4 mil is not anywhere near the end of it.

Goofy?
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October 12, 2016 8:23am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Red Necks out there Whaleoil has the beggar bowl out . Before he ends up at the City Mission food banks kindly spare even a gold coin.But remember not to break the bank,

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/10/whaleoil-needs-your-help/
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October 12, 2016 8:34am
- cmm
  
  At least he’s asking and people are choosing to support him or not in a free market environment.
  
  Unlike the dole bludgers who don’t even bother begging. They just get their mates – the state – to do their dirty work for them.
  
  Make no mistake, bludger money is extracted from us by force. The only difference to robbery is that it is legalised by the state doing it.
  
  I would have much more respect for bludgers if they begged. At least they’d be recognising where there money comes from.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm , the point is will you flick a coin into Cameron’s beggar bowl ?
    
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    October 12, 2016 9:07am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      There’s no point. It’s just you being a snarky little prick like always.
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        Oh, yet another 10c donor in the making ?
        
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        October 12, 2016 10:58am
- Inandout
  
  You would love to get rid of all blogs that shine a light on your slippery religion, wouldn’t you?
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:09am
- mara
  
  If he and his mods didn’t ban so many commenters he would have a bigger readership and maybe more advertising dollars. Only sycophants bother with him now. No sympathy from me.
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:30am
- jonar
  
  Maybe if he stopped offering plates of turds he wouldn’t have to beg?
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:34pm
flipper

Kimbo…
and
Nos NZ….

Both excellent comments. Quite agree.

Kimbo describes the so called PR guru wonderfully well. That (PR bullshit) is a problem we face as a nation – perception being seen as more important than reality …….. well, along with the usual left wing panty waist hysteria.
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October 12, 2016 8:37am
flipper

Stephie et al…..
If it is not Aaron Smith then it must be Trump….. BUT ………
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Trump’s Comments: The Latest Left-Wing Hysteria
By Dennis Prager
October 11, 2016
Regarding Donald Trump’s private sexual comments: We are living through a national hysteria.
To understand how and why, it is necessary to understand the indispensable role hysteria plays on the left. The left is always in major crisis mode. And, in nearly every case, the crisis is either wildly exaggerated or simply false.

For example:
–Few people deny that the earth is warming. To assert that is not hysteria. What is hysteria is the left’s position that carbon emissions will destroy life on Earth.
–No one denies that there are racist cops. What is hysteria is the left’s claim that innocent blacks are routinely shot to death by racist cops.
–The widespread protests against the name Washington “Redskins” were pure left-wing hysteria — ended only by the revelation through polling that the vast majority of American Indians couldn’t care less about the name.
The examples are endless: from the alleged epidemic of heterosexual AIDS in America and preschool molestation scares in the ’80s to the wildly exaggerated dangers of secondhand smoke and the baseless fears about electronic cigarettes.
We are regularly forced to endure a new left-wing manufactured, media-supercharged hysteria.
The latest is the tsunami of horror in reaction to Donald Trump’s gross and juvenile comments made in private 11 years ago.
The tsunami of condemnation of his remarks is quintessential left-wing hysteria. That more than a few Republicans and conservatives have joined in is a testament to the power of mass media and hysteria to influence normally sensible people.
This is hysteria first and foremost because the comments were made in private. I would say the same thing if crass comments made by Hillary Clinton in private conversation had been recorded. In fact, I did. In 2000, in a Wall Street Journal column, I defended Hillary Clinton against charges that she was an anti-Semite. That year it was reported that Clinton had called Paul Fray, the manager of her husband’s failed 1974 congressional campaign, a “f—ing Jew bastard.”
Even the left-wing newspaper, the Guardian, reported that three people — two witnesses and Fray — confirmed the report.
Nevertheless, I wrote in the Journal, “I wish to defend Mrs. Clinton. I do so as a practicing Jew and a Republican. … We must cease this moral idiocy of judging people by stray private comments.”
I gave two more examples:
One was Harry Truman, who often used the word “kike” when referring to Jews. Yet, he was the Jews’ greatest friend when he changed Jewish history by resisting powerful State Department opposition and recognized the State of Israel.
The other was Richard Nixon, who made anti-Jewish remarks in private conversations in the Oval Office. These were revealed on tapes he himself made of his conversations, and he was accordingly widely labeled an anti-Semite. Yet, as president, Nixon appointed the first American Jewish secretary of state and, more importantly, literally saved Israel’s life with his quick airlift of military supplies during the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
As I concluded:
“It is highly misleading to probe private comments for evidence of anti-Semitism, racism, bigotry and sexism.”
In addition to not taking all private comments seriously, Republicans, conservatives and independents need to ask themselves if what Trump said — not did, but said — in a private conversation is any way comparable to the truly awful things Hillary Clinton and her husband have done both to women and to the country.
They also need to ask themselves if it is worth giving the left the White House over such trivia.
If Hillary Clinton wins, will Republicans and conservatives who gave up on Trump because of this recording really think that it was worth: having a left-wing Supreme Court for the next 30 years; having left-wing judges completely dominate lower federal courts; radically curtailing religious liberty in America; having speech codes go from colleges to the society as a whole; massively increasing the size of the government and of the debt; bringing in tens of thousands of refugees from the Arab Middle East; and having open borders?
How can anyone answer in the affirmative?
The answer is the left-wing hysteria got to them.
On the same day the recording came out, so did leaked emails that revealed that Hillary Clinton told a Brazilian Bank in 2013 that she is for “open borders.”
Open borders mean the end of the United States as we know it.
That, my fellow Americans, is worth getting hysterical about.
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October 12, 2016 8:42am
- stephieboy
  
  flipper, I suspect that Dennis Prager is in a similar league as Alex Jones , Glen Beck , Ann Coulter and unsurprisingly sympathetic to climate denial and so-called Creation science .
  
  A rebuttal to much of the above is here ,
  
  http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35656_A_Reply_to_Dennis_Pragers_Open_Letter
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:01am
  - Ross12
    
    Stephieboy
    
    The woman you want to be USA President hates ordinary Americans;
    
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433
    
    “Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2015, at 4:20 PM, John Podesta wrote: I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans,…”
    
    How is that going to work?
    
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    October 12, 2016 9:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross 12 , here how it works,
      
      Official Warning: #PodestaEmails are already proving to be riddled with obvious forgeries & #blackpropaganda not even professionally done.
      
      Malcolm Nance added,
      
      KA Semenova @SemenovaKA
      
      Please be skeptical of alleged #PodestaEmails. Trumpists are dirtying docs. Not all will be as lame as this one is.
      
      https://twitter.com/hashtag/blackpropaganda?src=hash
      
      and,
      
      http://fortune.com/2016/10/08/russian-government-campaign-hack/
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:43am
      - Ross12
        
        Blame it on Trump and the Russians hahahahahahahahaha
        What BS.
        
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        October 12, 2016 9:59am
    - cha
      
      In context, the email is obviously addressing her dislike of use of the phrase everyday Americans .
      
      I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I’m running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion.
      
      I think if she doesn’t say it once, people will notice and say we false started in Iowa.
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:59am
      - Ross12
        
        So the phrase should have been deplorable Americans instead of everyday Americans ?
        
        Does that fix it cha?
        
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        October 12, 2016 12:39pm
- SPC
  
  Hilarious, talking about left wing hysteria then if Hillary wins … end religious liberty …
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:14pm
Manolo

Germany is digging its own grave:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3832108/The-giant-German-refugee-camp-Syrian-refugee-bomb-plotter-hid-YEAR-noses-police-claimed-333-month.html

Set behind thick, iron bars in a quiet, leafy suburb of Chemnitz, Germany, the Refugee Centre houses over 500 people until they are granted official asylum status.

It was there that Syrian Jaber Albakr, arrested on suspicion of planning to blow up a Berlin airport, spent a year living alongside genuine immigrants and claiming monthly benefits of €370.
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October 12, 2016 8:51am
waikatogirl

Congrats to the new Knight, Sir Rock’n Rod. ?
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October 12, 2016 8:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Sir Rod Stewart was knighted for services to music, divorce lawyers and marriage celebrants 😀
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:50am
Sideoiler

It is easy when it is other peoples money.
I hope she is going to the private sector when she is looking for a new job.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11727053
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October 12, 2016 9:26am
Manolo

The Muslim primitives continue to kill:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/11/afghanistan-gunmen-kill-fourteen-people-shia-shrine-ashura-kabul

Gunmen have killed at least 14 people in a Shia shrine in Kabul, compounding fears that militants are trying to stoke ethnic tensions in the escalating Afghanistan conflict.

The attack took place on the eve of Ashura, one of of the holiest days of the year for Shia Muslims, who constitute a sizeable minority in the country.
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October 12, 2016 9:31am
Manolo

Griff wetted his pants at the sight of it:
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/10/11/watch-live-al-gore-hillary-clinton-florida/21579606/

Former Vice President Al Gore is set to join Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail Tuesday in Florida.

The Miami event marks the first time Gore is campaigning for Clinton since he announced he was voting for her in July, and will be focused on climate change.
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October 12, 2016 9:44am
- Griff
  
  As pointed out many times Manolo.
  The obsession with Fat Al Gore is yours .
  You are the only one who wets his panty’s over the name.
  Still drunks are well known for pissing them self’s …EH .
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:16pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

NZ Herald reports a fight in school while teachers stand there watching, kids look Maori, anyone surprised?:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11726978

“Rosehill College principal Sue Blakely told TVNZ the teachers had actually called for back-up on their walkie talkies and had been shouting to the boys to stop.

She told One News she had previously told staff members that their safety must come first and advised them not to intervene or put themselves at risk.

“If it had been males out there on duty they may well have restrained [the pupils], but that would have been their choice because they felt they were able to do so and preserve their own safety,” she said.”

Wow, principal working hard to bury this one, she believes women are not capable of being teachers because they can’t stop their students getting in a scrap.

Male teachers should be paid more than female teachers then.
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October 12, 2016 9:50am
- Longknives
  
  Those dropkick schools with Feral students need Taser-Wielding Security Guards patrolling like they do in the States..
  
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  October 12, 2016 10:16am
- KevinH
  
  Rosehill College is located in Papakura, South Auckland where there is a large Polynesian population within their catchment. There is every possibility that the boy’s fighting were Polynesian, either Samoan or Tongan and not necessarily Maori.
  The students are physically large and it would be foolish for a female teacher to impose herself between the fighting students for fear of injuring herself.
  The fight was short in duration, senior students were able to diffuse the situation.
  It was proper and correct for teachers in attendance to call for back-up in the contingency the fight escalated to involve a larger group of students. Media reports that teachers stood by idly are sensational and completely false.
  The scenario of students fighting is an example of the conditions teachers throughout New Zealand have to contend with on a daily basis and this type of activity is not restricted to low decile public schools but can be found in most schools where boys and sometimes girls respond to adolescent peer pressure with acts of physical aggression.
  
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  October 12, 2016 11:11am
mara

Teachers in some schools should carry a taser and know how to use it.
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October 12, 2016 9:59am
RF

I was watching Goofy giving his final speech yesterday and realised that he must have had a brain fade. Nothing was mentioned about his leader Clark getting her arse handed to her by JK and he finished up with the poisoned chalice. The poison worked as he was a terminal case in the following election.

I might have fallen asleep … did goof have a kind word for the Greens ?

Perhaps not.
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October 12, 2016 10:02am
tom hunter

Meanwhile, out in the real world of death and geo-politics, the New York Times publishes a sad, little piece of nostalgic naval gazing as they ask, Syria Provokes an American Anxiety: Is U.S. Power Really So Special?:

The unstated premise to many American foreign policy considerations is that the country has both a special ability to solve complex problems and a special responsibility to do so.

Witness the rare moment of bipartisan agreement when the vice-presidential candidates were asked in last week’s debate, regarding the humanitarian crisis in the Syrian city of Aleppo, if the United States had a “responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale.” Both said it did.

No other country has a self-assigned global role that is based on universal values rather than national interests.
…
Meanwhile, skeptics such as President Obama often focus on risks, warning that, as Professor Nye put it, “the United States has suffered greatly when it has succumbed to illusions about how easy it is to do something.”

For both sides, the debate is not just about Syria, but about clashing views of the nature of American power.

Whah, whah, whah.

A different writer looks at the silence and lack of response of the Obama Administration to numerous, recent provocations and nails the real problem that has developed…

The simplest explanation for the huddled final days of the administration? They have been burned, and they want no more of that unpleasant experience.

The “smartest people” on the planet found they were not quite as clever as they thought.

They should not have been surprised. Over the last decade presidential hopefuls have come from the ranks of thinkers without much experience in governance or the wider world. They knew all the answers — in theory — but none in practice. Individuals who spent all their adult lives learning how to raise money, craft talking points, perfect stances before the camera, fund opposition research, and recruit surrogates found that special skills did not travel so well in the wider world.
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October 12, 2016 10:12am
- SPC
  
  I would have thought it was the Bush regime that got burnt, the Iraq occupation revealed the limits of American power and the combination of easy credit and tax cuts led to the GFC and a ballooning public debt – multiplied saving the economy from the GFC.
  
  Obama just governed confined within the strait jacket of the new reality, diminished government capability domestically and internationally.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:19pm
oldpark

Just finished watching channel 92 or RT .Kim Dot Con was the guest of the so called Keiser Report. Dot Con was completely gushy to the point of AD NAUSEAM. The interview finished with Keiser asking DOT CON would he consider changing his name to “Kim Bit Coin”. Interesting question.
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October 12, 2016 11:03am
- sooty
  
  Change his name to Kim Da Crim!
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:46pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Lifer Kim
    
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    October 12, 2016 1:15pm
- RF
  
  Interesting stuff on RT.
  
  Does not paint Obama and the US State Dept in a good light.
  
  . War Crimes ????
  
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  October 12, 2016 10:35pm
waripori

Apparently Rush Limbaugh has come to the conclusion Trump is a Liberal plant. Tom Hunter has been convinced of that for months. Certainly the MSM were keen he became the nominee and Ted Cruz is wondering where the ” Locker room talk” tapes were during the Primaries.

Big problems for the GOP with Trump running as an independent but with his name at the top of their ballot and probably with unwavering support from 35% of their base. Ryan doesn’t know what to wish for. He probably wants Hillary in the White house but hamstrung by Republican houses. Problem is , if he alienates enough Trump true believers they may not vote Republican down ticket.
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October 12, 2016 11:35am
- tom hunter
  
  Tom Hunter has been convinced of that for months
  
  Crap.
  
  I’ve alluded a few times to it as a joke, as when I wrote about a phonecall Trump had with Bill Clinton before the former got into the race.
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:03pm
- SPC
  
  That was reid, but he has since become a Trump supporter – the white race strongman brotherhood with Putin convinced him otherwise.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:33pm
waikatogirl

Singapore are electing a new President.
Before candidates are eligible to stand they must have run a $100m company. There is a move to increase this to having run a $500m company to be eligible.

Anyone who has not run a business is not eligible to run for office.
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October 12, 2016 11:42am
- Kimbo
  
  The difference between the priorities of Singapore and New Zealand in a nutshell.
  
  In Singapore, on the primetime news TV, the business news lasts 20 minutes and the sports news 30 seconds. In New Zealand? It’s 30 seconds business, 20 minutes sport.
  
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  October 12, 2016 11:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    and 40 minutes ads, repeats of earlier stories, opinion pieces to camera, more ads some promo for a pos that they are showing on later in the evening, more pos presentations with pictures for the program immediately after the ‘news’ and something I have already read about here two days earlier.
    
    They are so busy that they always seem to ‘drop the dead donkey’ story when in fact the donkey story is the item they should have kept and made Katie Bradford and all those other left leaning opinionated ‘I hate the National Government’ wankers, redundant
    
    God allowed the invention of mysky for a very good reason
    
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    October 12, 2016 1:17pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    But Singapore’s no good at rugby.
    
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    October 12, 2016 3:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …but they host a good Sevens tournament.
      
      I have a mate who gets pissed at Raffles every year following our rugby club 😉
      
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      October 12, 2016 8:47pm
- Griff
  
  Socialism as practiced in Singapore is running businesses
  The government owns majority shares in most of the infrastructure banks airlines etc and prohibits competition.
  
  Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these
  
  The major issue is Singapore is not a Democratic county so the masses have little practical say in government.
  Such restrictions as you have highlighted on who can stand serve to limit candidates to those already inside the ruling elite.
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:23pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes Griff, that is why there is opposition to increasing the limit to $500m. Less eligible candidates.
    
    The Singapore PM is also expected to have run a business. Not capable running the country if no business experience.
    
    That would clear out some of the unsuitable people we end up with in the top job, especially on the left who think business is a dirty word.
    
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    October 12, 2016 1:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Road deaths heading up again.

http://autotalk.co.nz/news/dismal-milestone-2016-road-toll

Hang on, wasn’t lowering the drink-drive limit and hassling drivers at 5 km/h over the limit supposed to be the answer?
Well it’s not.
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October 12, 2016 11:44am
- starboard
  
  My thoughts exactly. Watch a senior Plod put a spin on it..cant wait. Epic fail by Plod, they have lost the plot. How about spending the same amount of time wasted on traffic duties catching burglars instead? Too hard basket.
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:43pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Hang on, aren’t there a growing number of vehicles clogging our roads. Stands to reason there will be more accidents.
  
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  October 12, 2016 1:51pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not exactly. When the roads are jammed up with traffic you can’t go fast enough to have a fatal crash unless you try very hard.
    
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    October 12, 2016 3:12pm
Fletch

Danney Williams, Bill Clinton’s African/American illegitimate son, talks about his famous dad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLOp2yBhuTE
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October 12, 2016 11:55am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , done and dusted long , long ago ,
  
  “Clinton Didn’t Father Hooker’s Son”
  
  “A claim by Bobbie Ann Williams, a Little Rock prostitute, that her son, Danny, was fathered by Bill Clinton has been proven false by DNA analysis. Star, the tabloid that first published Gennifer Flowers? claim that she had been one of Clinton?s lovers, was reported to have paid Williams “a low six-figure” sum for exclusive rights to the story. It arranged to have Danny?s DNA checked against that of the President. On January 9, the Drudge Report broke the news that Time magazine had learned that the DNA tests cleared Clinton.
  
  Time ran a short story in its January 15 issue under the headline, “Scandal Interruptus; A bit less Jefferson in William Jefferson Clinton.” What Time was trying to do in this strange headline was to remind its readers of the claim that DNA tests had proven that Thomas Jefferson had fathered a son by his slave, Sally Hemings, as it reported that DNA tests had cleared Bill Clinton of fathering a son by a black hooker…”
  
  http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/clinton-didnt-father-hookers-son/
  
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  October 12, 2016 1:03pm
EAD

Lots of red-pilled below the line comments in this Zerohedge article:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-10/why-do-they-hate-us-so-one-western-scholars-reply-worried-russian-student

i.e.

The top Communist leaders have never been as hostile to their counterparts in the West, as the rhetoric suggests. They are quite friendly to the world’s leading financiers and have worked closely with them, when it suits their purposes.

As we shall see in the following section, the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution. Those hidden liaisons have continued to this day and occasionally pop to the surface, when we discover a David Rockefeller holding confidential meetings with a Mikhail Gorbachev in the absence of government sponsorship or diplomatic purpose.

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html
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October 12, 2016 12:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, put it simply the Jews were behind all this ?
  
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1IA79L8E53BJ9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=091298645X
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:09pm
- SPC
  
  Not consistent with reports Germans financed the revolution to win the war.
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:38pm
infused

ill leave this here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11726591
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October 12, 2016 12:13pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Wow.
  
  Rachel Stewart: No predator more dangerous than the human male
  
  That woman is seriously unhinged.
  
  For me, all of this day in and day out misogyny, leads me to a place of righteous anger. I mean, you’re reading a columnist right now who has had numerous rape and death threats merely for expressing an opinion. I totally comprehend the degree of hatred some men have for women. I get it.
  
  Watching Trump, for example, stalking Hillary Clinton around the stage and standing close behind her in the second debate made me want an American bald eagle to grab his pudgy orange face. We know they don’t like him either.
  
  I’m pretty sure my wrath about bullies comes from being bullied by an older male sibling. Let’s just say that he seemed to deeply enjoy inflicting physical pain on his little sister.
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:27pm
  - stigie
    
    Hate to say it folks but i think she needs a damn good root !~
    
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    October 12, 2016 12:48pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      So you’re implying she needs her pussy grabbed the same way she suggests an American Bald Eagle should grab Trumps face?
      
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      October 12, 2016 12:57pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        no, a baseball bat to the legs is the miserable Stewarts’ standard . . . . .
        
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        October 12, 2016 1:26pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Even Penny’s better looking than that but the smell might be different
      
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      October 12, 2016 1:39pm
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        that is funny
        
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        October 12, 2016 2:05pm
starboard

Nice to know what awaits us in our older years, looks and sounds muslim, Sonali Ananta Deo…care to comment steffybot?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/85211835/former-caregivers-guilty-plea-over-slap-caught-on-camera
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October 12, 2016 12:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard , gladly ! Caregiver abuse is a problem and it’s not confined to Muslims like Sonali Ananta as you might fervently wish and hope for as this CYF caregiver more than amply illustrates ,
  
  CYF caregiver jailed for horrific sex abuse
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/cyf-caregiver-jailed-for-horrific-sex-abuse-2016062411
  
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  October 12, 2016 12:52pm
  - starboard
    
    I’m talking elder abuse dropkick..now, if you want to open the can on sexual abuse by muslim offenders..how long have you got.
    
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    October 12, 2016 1:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard , very well one of the worst cases of elder abuse in NZ by one Joanne Quinn ,
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11426843
      
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      October 12, 2016 5:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not a muslim name at all.
  
  Indian/hindu
  
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  October 12, 2016 3:59pm
  - starboard
    
    Muslim Indian..they do exist
    
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    October 12, 2016 5:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, I know there are muslim Indians….. I am pointing out that her name is not one associated with muslims.
      
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      October 12, 2016 6:20pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    There are a lot of Indian Muslims.
    
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    October 12, 2016 5:34pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi ,and there a lot of Indian Hindus 53% of the NZ Indian population .
      
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      October 12, 2016 5:36pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        And there are a lot of Indian Buddhists –
        And there are a lot of Indian Christians –
        And there are a lot of Indian Catholics, the original Christians.
        
        Have we missed any stephie? 😉
        
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        October 12, 2016 5:41pm
      - sam green
        
        Yeah – the Sikhs, the Jain, etc …. idiot.
        
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        October 12, 2016 9:38pm
Longknives

“Longknives and big bruv can be a bit tiresome”

Kimbo I’m going to cry myself to sleep tonight mate!

*Sorry I also accidentally reported that comment! In my rush to reply to your vicious barb…
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October 12, 2016 1:18pm
- Kimbo
  
  Longknives, as Fred Trueman once said in response to a fancy-cap Oxbridge batsman who presumed to acknowledge a delivery from the Yorkshireman,
  
  “Aye, but it were wasted on likes of thee!” 😉
  
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  October 12, 2016 1:44pm
Paulus Gnome

450 additional police officers (?) = more pressure on the ferals in our society and more speeding tickets for the rest of us.

Sincerely, well done Judith Collins
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October 12, 2016 2:05pm
Manolo

ISIS goes high-tech:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/12/exploding-drone-sent-by-isis-allies-kills-and-wounds-troops-in-iraq-report

A drone rigged with explosives and sent by Isis allies killed two Peshmerga fighters in Iraq and badly wounded two French soldiers, according to a report.
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October 12, 2016 2:23pm
starboard

Its a lovely religion..

“Women exist to be married and have children. In jihad, feelings do not matter. Women survive; they do not live.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/85251484/women-survive-they-do-not-live
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October 12, 2016 3:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard, certainly under ISIS ( as the article was actually referring to )
  
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  October 12, 2016 5:41pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Yes, that’s right stephie. Muslims.
    
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    October 12, 2016 5:42pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi , ISIS kills other Muslims ,’
      
      DUH !
      
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      October 12, 2016 6:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi ,
      
      ISIS murder and massacre Kurds and Shia ,
      
      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=507_1403360137
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1116173/ISIS-promise-kill-captured-Kurds-shocking-new-video.html
      
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      October 12, 2016 6:06pm
      - starboard
        
        You miss the point..again..on purpose.. steffybot
        
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        October 12, 2016 9:18pm
Happychappy

It must be a worry for the Herald when it is allowing Opinion Journalists to write Columns on threessome’s so are we going back to the days of the Truth or have the public got sick of the Political lies being posted by pass their date Journalists employed by MSM
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October 12, 2016 3:14pm
sooty

How come Andrew Little is not running in Mt Roskill. After all Fool Goof had name reconnition and was a Labour MP. It should have been a walk in the park for the wonderful assitant MOU party leader.
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October 12, 2016 3:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Easy answer.
  He doesn’t want to go into the General Election having turned Mt. Roskill into another New Plymouth.
  
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  October 12, 2016 3:40pm
  - RalphT
    
    Captain, sadly I suspect even he would be able to retain Mt Roskill, but doing so would mean having to maintain a presence there and having to listen to ordinary people and their problems. Much easier to draw the same salary from home. Besides, he probably doesn’t speak Stephanese.
    
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    October 12, 2016 4:08pm
- RF
  
  Although it would be a safe bet for a Labour candidate it would be just too risky for Angry, the 2 times loser. Even if no one else were to run against him he would still come last.
  
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  October 12, 2016 4:15pm
Brigitte

A good result for the All Whites earning a draw against the US and having some chances to win it too.
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October 12, 2016 4:07pm
sooty

Now that fool goof has left the labour party. The question is now, who should stay and who should leave as well! There is not much time to the next election?
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October 12, 2016 4:49pm
sooty

Trevs leaving this term.
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October 12, 2016 4:52pm
sooty

Whos seat is Greg O’Conner going to parachute into.
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October 12, 2016 4:55pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  McCully’s
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:52pm
tom hunter

I don’t think my heart can take much more of this….

Cubs win the game and the series right at the end. After trailing 5-2 for most of the game they pile on four runs in the top of the 9th – their last chance – and then Chapman and his 100mph+ pitches buried the Giant’s batters.

Now on to another tough series against whoever wins the Nationals-Dodger’s playoffs.
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October 12, 2016 5:09pm
dad4justice

How many oriental’s will New Zealand be infested with in 2025 ? One or two million??
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October 12, 2016 5:21pm
- itstricky
  
  No apostrophe.
  One question mark, two doesn’t make your point anymore outstanding.
  Infested suggests vermin. Try a different word, because I’m sure you didn’t mean that.
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:06pm
- Reid
  
  According to conservative sheeple d4j the real actual and only question is how many will have Chinese sounding names so they can bray happily and endlessly to their fellow idiots that Akld house prices are only rising because of only one side of the supply-demand equation.
  
  Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooopid.
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:07pm
- Nostradamus
  
  D4J:
  
  Stephieboy would like to know if you could accommodate a family of Syrian refugees in your home?
  
  Red Cross national programmes development manager Rachel O’Connor said they would love for their resettlement programme to return to Christchurch.
  
  “Many Cantabrians have contacted us wanting to help over the last few months, having seen the refugee crisis in the news, so we know that when we return, the city will open its arms to its new residents.”
  
  One downside might be that you’d have to change your Kiwiblog name to Dad4Diversity 🙂
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:08pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  by orientals you really mean thai ladyboys aye Dad…
  
  I’m sure Starboard can hook you up some contacts you dirty little fucker.
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:50pm
- stigie
  
  If you had a choice between oriental and muslim, who would you pick Dad..?
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    That would depend on whether you prefer to kiss a Thai ladyboy with scented lipstick or a Muslim with a bushy beard – tough choice!
    
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    October 12, 2016 7:00pm
    - stigie
      
      I see the frustration that would cause Nostra, so Dad is best to hate orientals, muslim along with all transexuals..?
      
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      October 12, 2016 7:09pm
    - Griff
      
      Thanks nostra I did not need that choice etched into my minds eye for the rest of the day.
      
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      October 12, 2016 7:18pm
      - stigie
        
        Just for you Griff !~
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/a/s/5/g/4/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1asilz.png/1459830890181.jpg
        
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        October 12, 2016 7:35pm
      - nasska
        
        Submissions like that are outlawed by the Geneva Convention stigie! 🙂
        
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        October 12, 2016 7:45pm
  - starboard
    
    Muslims are oriental..
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:32pm
Ross12

Clinton’s chief advisor/organiser thinks Obama’s Iran deal will lead to nuclear war

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/10/top-hillaryobama-advisor-says-obamas-iran-deal-will-lead-to-nuclear-war/
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October 12, 2016 5:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross 12 , bet you the email was bogus ,
  
  Don’t believe it’s from Wikileaks just cuz somebody says it is. Some docs are fake & some are dirtied by pranksters, idiots, partisans, FSB.
  
  KA Semenova added,
  
  Kurt Eichenwald @kurteichenwald
  Wikileaks released info. Russians altered it. Trump recited alteration. Follow the whole chain, with US intel input. http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635 …
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  https://twitter.com/SemenovaKA
  
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  October 12, 2016 6:11pm
  - Ross12
    
    Back to blaming the Russians and Trump. Desperation & BS !!!
    Why I believe the emails are bogus? –just because some Democrat lacky suggests they are.
    
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    October 12, 2016 7:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross 12 , now come on . Would you believe a Roger Stone hacked email if he stated that the Iran Nuclear Peace deal was a positive move that would lead to an enduring peace ?
      
      Now think about it !?
      
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      October 12, 2016 7:51pm
Longknives

Excellent Article from Rattue-

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11727375

Pretty amazed how many gushing,starstruck Kiwibloggers think that their All Black ‘Heroes’ should be allowed to behave as disgracefully as they want without any consequence..
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October 12, 2016 6:46pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I agree. We should bring back public floggings for gladiators who displease us.
  
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  October 12, 2016 7:59pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    AgentBallSack:
    
    Does that include six of the best for the Black Caps and the support crew (including the coach) – or should we punish them with a Vindaloo curry diet until their on-field performance improves?
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:33pm
Reid

Here’s another email exchange between Podesta and Killary:

A new Wikileaks email dump released yesterday reveals Hillary’s eight point plan to destroy ISIS, and destroy Syria…in what can only be described as a reckless and naive view of the region that Hillary herself actively destabilized with her support for the Iraq invasion, and as the driving force behind the violent regime change operation in Libya.

The email exchange between Hillary Clinton, and top aide John Podesta, is breathtaking…full of hubris and stupidity.

It portrays a cold and calculating Clinton concerned with destroying ISIS in Iraq, but scheming to help jihadist groups in Syria n order to overthrow Assad with “moderate” forces that cannot be properly vetted.

Let’s not forget that Hillary’s financial conflict of interest runs deep in the troubled region, with Qatar giving between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation, and Saudi Arabia having donated upwards of $25 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation.

Hillary’s 8 point plan is conflicted and personal. Taking on Qatar and Saudi Arabia puts her at odds with big time Clinton Foundation donors.

Things get further complicated when we remember that in 2010, (as reported by The Intercept) Clinton’s top aide said that the up to $60 billion weapons transfer of fighter jets and helicopters to Saudi Arabia was a “top priority.”

On August 17, 2014 Hillary Clinton sent an email to John Podesta (then counselor to President Barack Obama, now current Hillary campaign chairman), where HRC details her roadmap to defeating ISIS, propping up the Kurdish forces in the north, and striking a decisive blow to Assad in Syria…

http://theduran.com/wikileaks-bombshell-hillarys-8-point-plan-to-destroy-isis-and-syria-qatar-and-saudi-arabia-providing-financial-support-to-isil/

I wonder when the dummies will finally click that ISIS couldn’t and wouldn’t exist were it not for the US?

I’m picking, never.

Not even when the nukes are flying between Moscow and Washington, such is the profound stupidity of the dummies.
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October 12, 2016 6:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , kindly explain this excerpt from the wiki leaks emails, ?
  
  2. It is important that once we engage ISIL, as we have now >> done in a limited manner, we and our allies should carry on until they are >> driven back suffering a tangible defeat. Anything short of this will be >> seen by other fighters in the region, Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, as >> an American defeat. However, if we provide advisors and planners, as well >> as increased close air support for the Peshmerga, these soldiers can defeat >> ISIL. They will give the new Iraqi Government a chance to organize itself, >> and restructure the Sunni resistance in Syria, moving the center of power >> toward moderate forces like the Free Syrian Army (FSA). In addition to air >> support, the Peshmerga also need artillery and armored vehicles to deal >> with the tanks and other heavy equipment captured from the Iraqi army by >> ISIL…..”
  
  Now how does that square with your Conspiracy and Trump’s Claim that Obama and the US Founded / created ISIS ?
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:05pm
  - Reid
    
    Reid , kindly explain this excerpt from the wiki leaks emails, ?
    
    stephie, kindly stop asking profoundly stupid questions.
    
    When you do that, I’ll give you an answer.
    
    BTW, I don’t expect based on your record we’ll be discussing anything anytime soon.
    
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    October 12, 2016 8:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , your code for ” like Alex Jones I’m a retard !”
      
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      October 12, 2016 9:36pm
Scott Chris

Alex Jones goes full retard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5KTiAcTEyc
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October 12, 2016 8:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scott Chris , with the advent of Trump Alex Jones goes mainstream !
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:07pm
- Reid
  
  What do you think of the fly though Scott?
  
  Hillary Clinton’s eyebrow doubled as a landing strip as a fly clung to her face during the latest presidential debate.
  
  The unidentified fly has been bragging about its newfound stardom on the Twitter account ‘Flies for Hillary’, tweeting “Showing my support for Hillary! I can’t believe I’m on TV!” It is unknown why the fly did not land on Donald Trump’s face.
  
  Unfortunately, the housefly is unlikely to be able to vote in the upcoming election given its life span is less than a month.
  
  Several accounts are claiming to be the fly, meaning we’ll probably never know the true identify of this American hero.
  
  Fans of HBO’s new TV show Westworld have speculated that the fly is proof Clinton is in fact a machine, recalling a moment in the show when a robot was unfazed by a fly walking across its eye.
  
  If Clinton’s bid for the White House fails, HBO might be asking her to audition for season two of the popular show.
  
  The fly’s choice in candidate has led some to point out what flies are usually drawn to…
  
  https://www.rt.com/viral/362221-debate-fly-clinton-robot/
  
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  October 12, 2016 8:20pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fly ?
    
    Reid and RT at their ludicrous best ?
    
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    October 12, 2016 9:34pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

Well done! The Cubs win game four of their play-off against the Giants (and no need for a Merkel Boner to do it! 😉 )

..and advance to a play off for the pennant. Only 8 more wins needed to break a 108 year-old curse.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/10/12/giants-cubs-nlds-game-4/91930026/
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October 12, 2016 8:27pm
stephieboy

starboard

You miss the point..again..on purpose.. steffybot

Which is what ?

“on purpose ” how ?
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October 12, 2016 9:33pm
- starboard
  
  When are you moving to Mt Roskillstan , and if not..why not?
  
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  October 12, 2016 9:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard , happily living in Mt Eden you deluded fool . Now where is your hovel ?
    
    Another question ?
    
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    October 12, 2016 9:55pm
starboard

Queenstown butt face, overlooking the plebs.

You should be living down the road with the rest of your ilk in the shithole that has become Mt Roskillstan.
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October 12, 2016 10:02pm
stephieboy

starboard , of course, based on your personal experience living there ?

Queenstown ?

At this sewerage facility ?

http://www.qldc.govt.nz/services/water-services/waste-water/
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October 12, 2016 10:14pm
- starboard
  
  Take the towel of ya head plonker, its restricting the blood flow..
  
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  October 13, 2016 1:02am
Left Right and Centre

feral fashion . . .
swandri – hood on over beanie – inside works too. Hoodie over beanie. Hoodie over hat. Just a hoodie. Nothing but hoodies on hat gangsta hard men.
Socks only. Bathrobe. Pajamas. Who are these people ? The hoodie over hat class – ever take them off ? Sleep in them ? Those hats must be foul as fark – scalp oils creaming them all day – ewwww – and you know they ain’t never washed or nothin – woooof !!

Paki’n’g ferals bought some new small trolleys – fresh meat for ferals to take home / throw into streams / push mates around in. Says – no kids in basket. But – they can’t read letters or recognise symbols.
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October 13, 2016 5:44am
Left Right and Centre

Oh yeah – what a great win – something called netball ?
I wouldn’t be too surprised – played on something called ‘Tasmania’. Kiwi gals are used to playing on small land masses – giving away home advantage there.

With my KB ears on – Aussie commentators (I didn’t watch much – just trust me – but the rarity of a win over cocky ockers – viewable) used ‘girls’ to describe grown sportswomen. Outrageous !! How demeaning !! Wow – white people are still making national rep teams ?
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October 13, 2016 6:45am
Manolo

Banana republic:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/12/podesta-hacks-shows-clinton-staffers-discussing-which-emails-to-release/
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