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waikatogirl

Most NZ’ers underestimate how much money they will need for perhaps 30 years of retirement.

Diane Maxwell, the Retirement Commissioner on Paul Henry this morning discussing the myths surrounding Kiwisaver. She has been traveling the country talking to ordinary kiwis to promote Kiwisaver. She was concerned that some believe
“The problem with Kiwisaver is it’s not real money and the govt takes your money.”
No, It is your personal bank account, not held by the govt.

Some believe the govt takes your Kiwisaver if you die before you are 65. No, it is your money to leave in your Will to whomever you wish.

Not Kiwisaver, but Dianne Maxwell was concerned to find a bunch of people she was speaking with believed if they avoided paying their debts for 5 years, the debts get written off!

Financial literacy fail for many kiwis.
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September 5, 2016 8:02am
- peterwn
  
  The Official Assignee is trying to line up the Government for a law change to allow him/her to grab a bankrupt Kiwisaver’s account after losing a court case over this. One justification for this is the availability of NZ Superannuation (never mind that an objective of Kiwisaver is to replace NZ Super in due course). IMO Kiwisaver accounts should be kept out of the hands of creditors. Exceptions would be where the account is over a certain value or where the person has made recent bulk contributions to Kiwisaver.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:20am
  - WineOh
    
    Peterwn- Can you outline for us why should Kiwisaver be treated differently to any other financial asset in the case of bankruptcy? Any other managed fund, term deposit, rental property or other asset that can be used to fund retirement is open to the Official Assignee, why not Kiwisaver?
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:30am
    - peterwn
      
      People with some wealth can form a family trust which among other things puts the assets out of the reach of creditors. Yes, a trust can be busted as a sham if not properly set up and maintained, and assets gifted to a trust can be ‘clawed back’ within two years (or five years in some cases). However anyone in business would be crazy if they did not put their house and other assets into a trust.
      Since the trust mechanism is available to the fairly wealthy, then an equivalent arrangement should be available to all with respect for a reasonable amount of retirement savings. If those who thought that Kiwisaver should be open season for creditors, they had their chance to make submissions to the Select Committee at the time. They have now missed the bus – arguably the Select Committee would have rejected any such submissions. An enactment must be interpreted in accordance with its text and in the light of its purpose – by no stretch of the imagination can bankrupcy be treated as the equivalent of ‘hardship’.
      
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      September 5, 2016 12:36pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What is the basis for your assertion that an objective of KiwiSaver is to replace NZ Super in due course?
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:16am
    - peterwn
      
      I cannot be bothered doing the research, but the whole scenario behind the setting up of Kiwisaver and winding back NZ Superannuation indicates that there there is likely to be a transition from NZ Superannuation to Kiwisaver over the years. While nothing is likely to happen as long as Winston Peters is in Parliament and John Key is Prime Minister, once they are gone it is likely that the eligibility age will go up and there may be some asset and means testing. People will then be more dependent on Kuiwisaver for retirement, perhaps initially to bridge between 65 and 70 years old.
      
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      September 5, 2016 12:42pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        No point you doing any research, for no matter how much you do, you will find absolutely nothing that indicates that either this Government or the one that set up KiwiSaver ever stated any intention that KiwiSaver would transition into a replacement for NZS. There are plenty of reasons why that would not be a particularly good idea.
        
        If that were to change, then the argumentation about whether KS should be available to creditors in the case of bankruptcy would change.
        
        However, for as long as it is simply an assumption about what a future Government might do, it ha no relevance to that argumentation.
        
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        September 5, 2016 1:35pm
- EAD
  
  Financial literacy fail for many kiwis.
  
  Replace “American”, with “Kiwi” and H.L. Mencken’s quote sure rings true:
  
  “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the ~~American~~ Kiwi public.”
  
  Just ask the average Kiwi what Fractional Reserve Banking and the consequences of it are, and watch their eyes glaze over.
  
  Tell them the money they borrow from an overseas bank that they spend their lifetime repaying is created from thin air (effectively making them a slave), then watch them dismiss you as a “conspiracy theorist”!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWR4_ekego
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:27am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Someone wrote:
    “Gold is the money of kings,
    “Silver is the money of gentlemen,
    “Barter is the money of peasants, and
    “Debt is the money of slaves.”
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:39am
    - Jack5
      
      We thought you were in Japan, Odakyu-sen. How did the trip go.
      
      From this post I see your brain has been refreshed.
      
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      September 5, 2016 11:12am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Jack5,
        
        Got back a couple of days ago.
        
        Had a great time. Japan is so civilized and safe. Food (especially from the convenience stores open 24/7) is cheaper than in NZ. Accommodation (B grade) is less expensive than in NZ. Petrol about $1.50 a liter.
        
        Things I noticed this time included:
        1. More obese people in Tokyo (damned Western diet?)
        2. More joggers and serious cyclists in Lycra
        3. Derelict and abandoned 2nd- and 3rd-tier hotels and lodges both on the coast and in the mountains.
        4. Mortgages (30-year) at a rate of 0.6%. The trouble is that your house might only be worth 75% of its purchase price in 30 years’ time. Still, cheaper than renting.
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:07pm
    - Icarus
      
      You do understand that our entire monetary system is based on debt ?
      
      Money is not handed out in a wheelbarrow. It is released into the economy through loans, which attract interest, which is even more debt. As a result, there is more money owed in the world than there is money in circulation.
      
      Enjoy your servitude slave.
      
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      September 5, 2016 1:06pm
- brett68
  
  Once you take out deaths under the age of 5, the average age for Men is 85 and 89 for Women.
  
  20 years of retirement is a hell of a long time.
  
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  September 5, 2016 10:04am
- Jack5
  
  It’s not all New Zealanders’ fault as individuals. Politicians playing to our short-term greed are also to blame.
  
  Compare the colossal sovereign fund built up by Norway from its North Sea oil, and how late we were in getting out own sovereign fund, the National Superannuation Fund, up and running.
  
  We haven’t had a big oil bonanza like Norway, but we have had good times when money could have been siphoned off into the National Super Fund had it been started earlier. I also think Bill English was wrong in turning off tax inflow into this fund, which has performed well.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:22am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    People always wish that they had saved more and started earlier. However, to do so they would have had to not buy stuff that they wanted to buy. For the Government to put money into the Fund, it would have had to not spend that money on something else. What something else do you think that should have been?
    
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    September 5, 2016 12:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yes, Albert, getting agreement on what not to spend on is always harder.
      
      Addressing the financing of students into tertiary education that doesn’t economically benefit the country; getting Radio NZ, TVNZ and Maori TV off the taxpayers’ back; MFAT pride projects such as aiming to get NZ on the Security Council; …. there are heaps of ways I think spending could be cut.
      
      Then of course, I would hack into businesses that, by having charity status, avoid paying company tax. The Seventh Day Adventists’ Sanitarium and Ngai Tahu’s businesses are the ones I know of.
      
      Look after the millions and the billions will look after themselves, as it were.
      
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      September 5, 2016 2:34pm
    - starboard
      
      Maori language..50 000 000
      
      Wharnaora..couple of billion
      
      Govt quangos..
      
      for starters…
      
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      September 5, 2016 5:09pm
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Ok Kiwibloggers – I’m 62 today – be nice 🙂
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Screening of the film of the recent play “Bright – beyond belief” , together with a live interview of Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright.

WHEN: Thursday 8 September 2016.

(And Thursday 15 September -same time and place).

TIME: 7pm

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‘Activists – get things done’.
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September 5, 2016 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Happy birthday, Penny.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:12am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  “Ok Kiwibloggers – I’m 62 today – be nice”
  
  You really don’t get irony do you? I can hear my dear old mum now – “treat others as you expect to be treated”. Even at 62 you could learn a thing or two.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:18am
  - sooty
    
    You don’t look a day over 93. Pay your rates, you old hag!
    
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    September 5, 2016 8:22am
- Peter
  
  You should definitely take this to the West End of London, Penny. Cheap flights at the moment.
  
  People would appreciate it.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:20am
- nasska
  
  …..”I’m 62 today”…..
  
  If we had a whip around & each donated two litres of water Penny could have a bath to celebrate the occasion. 🙂
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:22am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m good for two litres. I’ll “pass” it on to you as soon as I can 😉
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:35am
- wiseowl
  
  Happy Birthday Penny.
  The media are barstards the way they ignore your efforts and neglect to include you in Mayoral coverage.
  Get stuck in to Goff. We don’t need him as Mayor of the super failure city.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:35am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is a tiny theatre tiny enough for the rates-bludger’s fan club?
    
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    September 5, 2016 8:57am
    - sooty
      
      A phone box would be too big!
      
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      September 5, 2016 9:41am
- billmurray
  
  Happy birthday to the future Mayor of Auckland, then perhaps bigger goals in the future like Prime Mininister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:00am
  - rangitoto
    
    She should throw her hat in for the UN secretary general job. Much better chance than Clark.
    
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    September 5, 2016 11:09am
- cmm
  
  ‘Activists – get things done’.
  
  No. Doers get things done.
  
  Activists just demand that other people do thing for them.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:06am
- Hajji
  
  62 and in the financial poo.
  
  Not much to celebrate!
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:07am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Happy Birthday Penny,
  
  Will you be celebrating your birthday counting those ‘private donations’ your friends ask for on your behalf?
  
  Today you can call them ‘gifts’ which will be a nice change up.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:48am
- Jack5
  
  You’re in good shape for 62, Penny. Many happy returns.
  
  You are taking high risk by not selling up in Auckland before the bubble bursts, settling your debt with the council, and getting that cottage in a warm northern seaside town. Think of pottery, chardonnay socialists to sip and chat with, and you could of course post on Kiwiblog.
  
  Sell and go before it’s too late.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:15am
Captain Mainwaring

Fresh from his defence of Indian students (who he had previously opposed until it presented an opportunity to have a crack at the Govt.) the drunken dwarf has now announced that he plans to include driving classes in the school curriculum, the lessons being provided by volunteer pensioners.
I can see two small problems with this:

1. Although many pensioners are still better drivers in a practical sense than they are given credit for, how many of them would cope with the pedantic crap that’s in the current road code?
2. How would the army of currently qualified and licenced driving instructors react to having their jobs eliminated by slave labour?

Again and again this clown proves himself to be a complete fool, yet the media keeps giving him oxygen.
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September 5, 2016 8:06am
- marcw
  
  Now that Winston has identified obtaining a driving licence as an essential milestone, his intention is that once again nanny state should become the default provider. What happened to young adults taking responsibility for growing up in the real world?
  
  The way Labour are going on as well, it is apparently the governments duty to provide to any couple a new 4 bed/2 bath/2 garage house in a suburb within 15 minutes commute to their state provided job.
  
  In addition both Parties want to provide taxpayer paid tertiary education without any contribution from the person benefiting from our largesse.
  
  Three years of this crap after the next election and we will be back to being a South Pacific basket case economy, begging the Chinese to come and bail us out.
  
  Personal responsibility – Nah … too hard.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:41am
- cmm
  
  Winston missed a chance to plug his old favourite: Compulsory Military Training.
  
  The youth could all learn to drive while they’re doing CMT.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:10am
- Keeping Stock
  
  His justification for this is that most young criminals’ lives beyond the law start with a ticket for driving without a licence. He believes that if he helps them get their licences, he will turn their lives around.
  
  I call bullshit on that. Where are the figures to support his supposition? And if he seriously thinks this will be the key component in turning people away from becoming a career criminal, he’s been spending far too much time with Johnnie, Jack and Jim.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:40am
- fernglas
  
  Don’t underestimate the willingness of retired people to volunteer. With increasing numbers coming on stream, there is a potential labour market crisis looming. Where I live, the community nespapers are full of retirees prepared to work for a pittance just to keep themselves busy. They don’t need the money and so will undercut most people who depend on their income to survive. Coupled with an increase in the age at which people actually retire, the prospects for younger people looking for work are compromised, to say the least.
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:38pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Interesting point on Paul Henry was that you can’t get a licence until you are 16, most of the target demographic have left school. I agree that any head start is good but it would still only be ‘learners’.
  
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  September 5, 2016 7:07pm
Tarquin North

I see the price of the Horrid has gone up today. Must be to balance out the down hill slide of the cut and paste content.
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September 5, 2016 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  They learnt off Sky, just keep raising prices until you have no customers left.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:47am
  - burt
    
    Sky learnt from NZ Post.
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:53am
    - Griff
      
      They did not learn more like it Burt.
      The Internet
      It has killed print, post and TV as a way of communicating.
      What we see are zombie industry’s.
      They are already dead just the corpse has not realized .
      
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      September 5, 2016 11:02am
      - Icarus
        
        Yeah, all those on line shoppers just get sent a picture of their product through the “internet”.
        
        So we don’t really need post do we Griff ?
        
        You sound so modern.
        
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        September 5, 2016 1:11pm
kowtow

Merkel’s humiliated.

“Its co-leader, Frauke Petry, described Sunday’s result as a blow to Angela Merkel. “Now it is our responsibility to make politics for the people. The people no longer trust the old establishment parties to do so,” Petry said.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/mecklenburg-vorpommern-german-anti-immigrant-party-strong-regional-election-exit-polls-merkel
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September 5, 2016 8:12am
- Icarus
  
  Merkel is a traitor to her people and should be tried for treason.
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:16pm
pdm

Capt -disappointing Mike Hosking did not ask him about the $158,000 plus interest he owes from 2005.
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September 5, 2016 8:12am
Longknives

Has anyone else seen that horrible Nike Ad where Serena Williams claims she is ‘The Greatest Athlete of All Time’?
Not even in the top fifty lady.
People tend to remember things like locking herself in a ‘Panic Room’ when the Drug Testers came calling and her disgraceful on Court tantrums and threats to Officials etc etc
Nike have lost the plot.
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September 5, 2016 8:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Longknives , sure Serena the greatest athlete of all time is highly debatable . Maybe the greatest Female Tennis athlete .
  
  I wonder also if your concerns might have also had something to do with the colour of her skin ? Clarify, please .?
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:54am
  - Longknives
    
    Stephieboy- Considering my personal ‘Greatest Athletes of all Time’ list (and this is all opinion) includes the likes of Muhummad Ali, Carl Lewis, Joe Louis and Michael Jordan…
    Try again Pal…
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:03am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      The greatest athlete (or even the greatest 50 athletes) is an interesting question.
      
      No female I could think of would qualify simply because with very few exceptions females compete in an inferior competition.
      
      Of your list Lewis would be disqualified due to a drugs question.
      
      Then, how do you rate about ten Ethiopian long distance runners, each as good as his predecessor? Was Lasse Viren better than all of them?
      
      Fred Truman v Malcolm Marshall v Dennis Lillee (no batsman qualifies as an athlete 😉 )
      
      Bolt definitely.
      
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      September 5, 2016 9:31am
      - Longknives
        
        Drugs question over Lewis but no Questionmark over Bolt?? Surely you Jest?
        
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        September 5, 2016 9:41am
  - Longknives
    
    “Maybe the greatest Female Tennis athlete ”
    
    Steffi Graf, Margaret Court, Billie Jean King and Martina N might have something to say about that as well!
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:05am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Bolt has never, unlike Lewis, Armstrong, Bonds etc. had any connection made with him and drugs despite being tested by independent testers using the latest techniques.
      
      I like to think he is clean, if only because I believe a failed test from him would destroy athletics for all time.
      
      So yes, Bolt in, Lewis out (imho).
      
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      September 5, 2016 10:09am
  - cmm
    
    stephie: As one so obsessed with colours of skin, would you say Serena is the greatest Black Tennis Athlete?
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:12am
  - pentwig
    
    daffy
    you turned a simple harmless comment into a racial slur. You have really highlighted your intelligence today.
    Keep it up you ignorant troll you.
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:17am
- EAD
  
  Just look at images of Serena. Just like Castor Semenya, all her achievements should have an asterix beside it
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2015/07/black-power-tennis-sharapova-vs-williams.html
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, this typical post from your link and maybe explains everything about the site and you ,
    
    “Argentina’s president recommended The Merchant of Venice as a book to schoolchildren to understand economic exploitation. The Jews flip out:”
    
    “I”n fairness to the Williams sisters, they are both bloody good at tennis and aren’t just sluggers. Also – and to their credit – at least they succeeded in a proper sport, rather than traditional Negro activities such as crack smoking, crime, baby production, and welfare consumption.”
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:07am
G152

So Peters thinks that he’s going to be PM…
Didn’t know Paul Henrys show invited comedy turns.
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September 5, 2016 8:19am
Happychappy

So Winston is read y to take us back to the 1990s when he had nearly all the Maori seats but this time he wants us to believe that the missing million will get out of bed for NZ First like they did then.When you way up ths you come to one conclusion how would he get them out of bed to vote when they are to lazy to get out of bed to support their families and get a job or go to work. The other problem he faces is in man management so for evidence you only have to go back to what happened in the 1990s,the other problem Winston has is his ego and this is what happens when you think you are indepencable
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September 5, 2016 8:25am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Let’s not forget that Winston Peters has been a Minister three times, and is yet to survive a full three-year term without being sacked or stood down. He is patently unfit to be a Minister because he is a lone wolf, not a team man. All that counts for Peters is whatever’s in it for him.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:48am
Stars And Stripes

Mahuru Māori: The man who speaks only te reo every September.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/312310/the-man-who-speaks-only-te-reo-every-September

This guy seems really proud that every September he will only speak Māori and nothing else.
Yeah well I am even prouder because for not just one month but a full twelve I make sure I speak no Māori which in our PC society of today is a much bigger achievement.
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September 5, 2016 8:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m wildly impressed by your use of the macron.
  
  I’m much too lazy to indicate how to sound out vowels.
  
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  September 5, 2016 8:39am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes my computer does it automatically so obviously it was made by a company allied to the Human Rights Commission.
    I have tried to teach it how to be racist but up till now my efforts have been in vain.
    
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    September 5, 2016 8:46am
EAD

Headline in Daily Mail:

Angela Merkel is smashed in her home state polls by the far-Right a year after she let hundreds of thousands of migrants into Germany

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3773361/Merkel-smashed-home-state-polls-far-Right-year-let-hundreds-thousands-migrants-Germany.html

Let me rephrase that headline for you Daily Mail:

“Angela Merkel is smashed in her home state polls by normal people sick of her extremist policies after letting hundreds of thousands of predominately military age 3rd world males into Germany without any mandate against the peoples wishes”
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September 5, 2016 8:42am
- Icarus
  
  All over the world people are pushing back against the totalitarian left.
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:21pm
Andrei

Look where this man has turned up now 🙂
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September 5, 2016 8:50am
Hajji

The rest of the world considers New Zealand’s health care to be awesome!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3773112/The-best-worst-backpacker-destinations-injured-including-USA-Australia-India.html
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September 5, 2016 9:05am
RF

God help us if Hillary Clinton wins the election.

I can just see US atomic war heads being launched on Russia – and Hillary claiming that she thought the red launching button was her medical alert one.
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September 5, 2016 9:18am
- stephieboy
  
  “US atomic war heads being launched on Russia”
  
  Utter drivel !
  
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  September 5, 2016 10:43am
BeaB

The sad thing is how many people think voting for Winston First ‘sends a message’ when what it means is months and years of posturing until he is bought off (and then we have that odious vulgarian Ron Mark) and possibly a Labour/Greens government. Whatever our niggles with National we need to give them our party and electorate votes and make sure they have a robust majority for their next term.
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September 5, 2016 9:21am
- PhilP
  
  Well said BeaB, wholeheartedly agree with you.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:18am
- calendar girl
  
  That’s all very well, Bea, but when is National going to begin listening to its core supporters – instead of taking them for granted? Two issues to kick off with:
  
  1. Immigration – when will National set out a clear policy, for the electorate to endorse or reject, regarding the numbers, origins and skill-sets of immigrants to be accepted into NZ annually? (Returning NZ citizens excluded from such calculations.)
  
  2. NZ Government Debt to GDP – given that the global financial crisis is well behind us, what are National’s medium-term plan and timetable to reduce Debt to GDP levels from 30.26% in 2015 to below 20%? (comparisons 31.54% in 2011, and 16.9% in 2008)
  
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  September 5, 2016 12:11pm
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Seen this Kiwibloggers?

An enthusiastic response from some representatives of the (organised) 99%, at the recent Mayoral forum on the ‘Living Wage’.

https://thestandard.org.nz/the-mayoral-candidates-and-the-living-wage-proposal/

Auckland Mayoral candidates and the LIVING WAGE proposal, at St Mathews in the City, Thursday 1 September 2016.

Greg Presland’s opinion of the meeting:

“..The three questions were:

* Did they support a living wage for staff and those regularly employed by contractors of Council as well as CCOs,
* Did they support requiring the successful tenderer of the 2017 renewal of cleaning services employ staff paid a living wage, and
* Did they support the establishment of a sub committee of Council to support implementation of a living wage and that the committee includes members of Living Wage Aotearoa.”

“… Penny Bright received the biggest cheer of the night by describing herself as the Bernie Sanders of the Auckland Mayoral race.

She railed against the corporate 1% and stated that contracting out is more expensive than employing staff.

She received another huge cheer by advocating that Council should bring services back in house, and do away with contractors and consultants.

Her answers were categorical.
Absolutely yes, absolutely yes and yes. ”

“…The second part of the meeting sought candidates’ commitments to supporting a comprehensive transport system and a review of night and weekend services to support workers as well as questions relating to Council initiating a voluntary scheme for warrant of fitness for rental properties and interest free loans being made available to land owners.
…..

Penny Bright said there was no such thing as public transport, there are ten private bus companies, four private ferry owners and a French company running the trains.

If Mayor she would make the system truly public.

In relation to housing she was totally opposed to sell off of state or public housing to private groups, even churches.

Her answers were yes, yes, yes and yes.”

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

‘Activists – get things done’.
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September 5, 2016 9:35am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Penny; will you accept the Mayoral salary of $269,500 per annum if elected, or would you be prepared to do the role for the Living Wage?
  
  And if elected, will you declare a conflict of interest and stand apart from any decisions with regard to legal action between the Auckland Council and Penelope Mary Bright?
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    KS:
    And you’re expecting a response?
    We live (vainly) in hope.
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:12am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I’m an Auckland ratepayer Captain, even though I don’t live there. I’m not only expecting a response; I’m demanding one!
      
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      September 5, 2016 10:38am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And Auckland Council has for nearly ten years been demanding that their rates get paid.
        Good luck with your demanding.
        
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        September 5, 2016 11:01am
SteveRemmington

“Greg Presland’s opinion of the meeting:”

Penny, you write that as if anyone really gives a rats arse what Pweslands opinion is.

Even the diehard Labour sycophants have stopped taking any notice of that tool!
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September 5, 2016 9:39am
- sooty
  
  Penny, you are dreaming.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:48am
Keeping Stock

Andrea Vance tweeted yesterday that Ron Mark was busy putting away empty seats before Winston Peters’ keynote speech at the NZF conference yesterday. Shortly after, Tracey Martin tweeted that Peters had attracted a standing-room-only crowd.

In the trustworthiness stakes, NZF still has some distance to go.
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September 5, 2016 9:45am
- kowtow
  
  Ron Mark was engaging in special ops there! oops , special force.
  
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  September 5, 2016 10:53am
- paul scott
  
  You mean we believe the soul of light Andrea Vance KS ? Get real dude. NZ voters, conservative, are going to give Nanny Nat the hiding she deserves .
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:33pm
cmm

Something I noticed today…

We’ve had MMP for 22 years now, but we’ve never had a List PM.

It seems that unless the PM can get the thumbs up from his/her constituency, there’s no way they’re going to score the thumbs up from the whole country.

If that trend continues (and it looks likely to do so), Little and Labour are stuffed for a while yet.
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September 5, 2016 9:47am
- sooty
  
  Just you wait, Stuart is going to try!
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:51am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    sooty, he’s got to retain his list seat first. And they require 23% for that to happen.
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:15am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  We’ve had MMP for 22 years and we’ve never elected a PM whose first or last name started with a letter from the second half of the alphabet.
  
  So Little is well qualified. Either that, or the sample size is too small to reliably conclude anything.
  
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  September 5, 2016 10:19am
Stars And Stripes

Families booted from emergency accommodation for sports visitors
http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/families-booted-from-emergency-accommodation-for-sports-visitors-2016090417
“Homeless families in Tauranga have been forced to leave emergency accommodation in motels so that visitors for an intermediate school sports tournament can have their rooms.”

This is a scandal, imagine all the people who booked these rooms for the sports tournament now finding that they were crash pads for the homeless previously.
Who would want to stay in these rooms with all the fleas and body odour ever present.
My heart goes out to all the competitors.
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September 5, 2016 10:09am
- Brigitte
  
  And how would they have reported it if the booking had been for a Labour or Greens party conference?
  
  And how would the parties have reacted once those details were revealed (that homeless were using the rooms they had booked)?
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:13am
- starboard
  
  I hope the rooms were tested for P usage before letting others in.
  
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  September 5, 2016 12:19pm
Fletch

Bill Clinton in his 1995 State of the Union comments saying exactly the same things on immigration that Trump is saying now.

Liberals never change their minds – they just “evolve”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs
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September 5, 2016 10:32am
- JIV
  
  Much the same as Thatcher being vilified for breaking the miners and closing down all the pits. Exactly what all the warmists want to do now.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:51am
  - Griff
    
    Maggie was a warmist
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fys5Z63xCvA
    
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    September 5, 2016 11:55am
    - Icarus
      
      Yes Maggie was a warmist. She created the fiction of global warming to fabricate a moral reason to destroy the coal industry in order promote nuclear power.
      
      The whole edifice of global warming is built on lies and corruption.
      
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      September 5, 2016 1:41pm
Jack5

Radio NZ’s Labour Programme showed the fruit of its tighter partnership with Maori partnership this morning.

Two self-described part-Maori women lamented their white culture as opposed to their Maori heritage , with heavy sentiment from Kathryn Ryan indicating support.

Ryan, when the pair talked about parents not knowing how to speak Maori: “People carrying this internal sense of I’m not entitled. …”

The young women, on learning at university to speak Maori:

“Culturally reclaiming ourselves …”

“That thing was crushed out of us …”

” …. identity crisis that I’m not a proper Maori because I don’t speak te reo …”

” … plastic Maori … ”

Kiwibloggerites, you can be assured your tax money is being put to good use in State radio (which also aspires to be State internet central). Add this wise tax expenditure to your reasons to vote National at the next election (National recently reappointed key board members of Radio New Zealand).
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September 5, 2016 10:46am
- BeaB
  
  Precious little petals having to live in ‘pakeha-inhabited places’. Whining away in their posh voices.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:09am
Fletch

The Iranians have made a propaganda film in which U.S warships attack, but Iranians with flags run into the water and start a tidal wave which destroys all the U.S ships.

https://youtu.be/A5f2hRGUbv8

But yeh, we should trust them like Obama does.
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September 5, 2016 10:50am
- SGA
  
  CGI needs some work 🙂
  Curious, I found this about this video and related videos – slightly different perspective.
  
  In Iran, there is an internal clash between the ultra-conservative wing – which includes Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard – and reformist-centrists, like Iran’s president Hasan Rohani. The president wants to develop Iran’s relationship with the West, especially with the United States. But the ultra-conservatives don’t see things quite the same way.
  
  The ultra-conservatives didn’t fight the nuclear deal for a variety of reasons, but mainly because they wanted Iran to emerge from the financial crisis brought on by international sanctions. Still, they don’t want Iran to fully normalise its diplomatic relations with the United States.
  
  Why? Because anti-American discourse is a key element in defining the Islamic Republic of Iran, and it is used to justify everything from financial crises to divorce rates. It also helps consolidate the ultra-conservative camp’s base of supporters. In domestic matters, the United States is a useful enemy.
  
  The ultra-conservatives control the state media; they have endless money to spend on propaganda. Videos like this are their way of showing their supporters that yes, Iran agreed to the nuclear deal, but their position on the United States has never changed.
  
  So not only have these videos never stopped, but we can expect to see more. Most Iranians, however, don’t take this propaganda seriously, and many criticise it.
  
  http://observers.france24.com/en/20160831-iran-propaganda-music-videos-usa
  
  Of course, in the West we’d never see anyone trying to pursue a domestic agenda by fear mongering in this sort of way.
  
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  September 5, 2016 2:16pm
Jack5

And Saudi cleric says Western women wish they could live live Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFXVo2UgQDo
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September 5, 2016 10:53am
Fletch

Slightly different post. Someone showed me a video yesterday of this Aussie band called City Calm Down who have that 1980s vibe. If you were into Joy Division, New Order, Psychedelic Furs, etc, you’ll most likely dig it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmRo8PaMVAQ

They’re a few years old now, but I am not up with my music these days.
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September 5, 2016 10:54am
Michael

I retired at 60 and have been retired for over 21 years. I started having money deducted from my salary when I was 18 to go in the company pension scheme . When I retired I took it all in a lump sum.
Made some good investments, made some bad investments. At the present time my/our [ and I include my wife] investment dividends basically equal our Government pension. Kiwisaver probably is similar to the company pension scheme I contributed to so my advice would be to get in early. don’t withdraw a cent unless you absolutely have to , and age 65 you will have a tidy nest egg.
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September 5, 2016 10:58am
- Jack5
  
  But it’s a pity the company pension systems – or all that I know of – were killed off by Kiwisaver.
  
  They fostered stable staff turnover and company loyalty.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:06am
  - mandk
    
    Couldn’t you equally argue that they hindered labour mobility and encouraged dead wood.
    
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    September 5, 2016 11:59am
    - Jack5
      
      You could argue that mandk, especially if you were some sort of consultant who made a living from high staff turnover.
      
      Perhaps the de-industrialisation of the West isn’t unrelated to business heads who can’t lead and build stable organisations, and who rely only on payment as incentive.
      
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      September 5, 2016 12:16pm
Jack5

The property bubble isn’t just in Auckland. If the Sydney bubble pops around the same time as Auckland’s what will this mean for our main banks – all Australian based?

Australian economists, urban planners, and community groups have written an open letter to the New South Wales Government to consider more than the supply side in addressing Sydney’s property bubble.

(Our politicians and media seem also locked in focus on the question of supply – how to build more houses.)

Perhaps our Treasury, Reserve Bank, and politicians should be considering the effect on our banks if both bubbles bust together.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-government-says-it-has-a-plan-to-fix-the-housing-affordability-crisis-this-chart-suggests-it-doesnt-20160902-gr7sbz.html
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September 5, 2016 11:05am
- Icarus
  
  No politician has the guts to do what needs to be done.
  
  Having Aucklander’s million dollar homes reduce to 200k is not a vote winner.
  
  The real value of a house is what it would sell for if there was no lending. Of course greedy fools don’t want to hear that.
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:25pm
Stars And Stripes

World’s largest gorilla now ‘critically endangered’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11703788

I reckon the quickest way to fix this is to declare all the remaining gorillas refugees and then stuff them in a rickety boat and set sail for a Western country where they can all be settled in a state house and put on welfare in a protected environment.
In fact they might be more civilised than some of the current people arriving.
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September 5, 2016 11:06am
- Jack5
  
  As long as those big fuckers don’t learn how to make P.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:08am
- Icarus
  
  The problem is the black Africans killing them. Which at least stops them killing each other for a change.
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:26pm
Fletch

Prager U on unemployment rate statistics in the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRlK16ut9GU
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September 5, 2016 11:09am
Manolo

The crooked sisterhood:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/04/meet-the-mastermind-behind-clintons-massive-email-coverup/

Newly released FBI documents detailing the bureau’s investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails reveal the aide who would likely follow her into the White House as chief counsel was central to a cover-up of evidence sought by investigators.
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September 5, 2016 11:57am
Keeping Stock

Nikki Kaye is taking leave from her ministerial roles to start treatment for breast cancer. Wishing her all the best for a complete recovery.

https://www.facebook.com/NikkiKayeMP/posts/10153877183427957
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September 5, 2016 12:53pm
- mikenmild
  
  Fortunately there are excellent prospects for surviving breast cancer when it is detected early.
  
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  September 5, 2016 12:55pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree with your sentiments KS, hope they’ve caught it early enough.
  
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  September 5, 2016 12:56pm
paul scott

Any person wishing to see an inspiring speech / article on Freedom of Speech and its association with the Islamic war on the West
go to
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2016/09/lindsay-perigo-magnificent-pandemonium.html

Lindsay Perrigo with Susan .
This Perigo speech is inspired, and inspiringa
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September 5, 2016 1:22pm
- mikenmild
  
  Yes, Lindsay Perigo is all about freedom. Of course, he wants to ban Muslims from coming here, in the name of protecting that freedom, of course.
  Fascist posing as a libertarian.
  
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  September 5, 2016 1:42pm
  - Icarus
    
    So do you disagree with NZ banning white nationalists and Neo Nazis from coming to NZ , as they do ?
    
    Or does your defense of freedom only apply to people you agree with ?
    
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    September 5, 2016 1:55pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I would not ban anyone from coming here on the grounds of their beliefs, no.
      
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      September 5, 2016 2:04pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        How about if they supported an ideology that would want to throw you off the top of a building?
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Icarus , people immigrating here are not screened and turned away based on their religious or political beliefs.
      
      However citing allegiance to the Islamic state or to known Neo-Nazi organisations might not be helpful to the success of the application.
      
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      September 5, 2016 2:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Islam has more in common with fascism than Perigo has in common with fascism.
    
    Hitler was cosy with many Muslims: the Bosnian SS unit, the Mufti of Jerusalem, etc.
    
    It is bullshit to state that attitude towards Muslim immigration can define a person as a fascist.
    
    A nation can decide who it wants to immigrate to it on any criterion it wishes.
    
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    September 5, 2016 2:12pm
    - mikenmild
      
      That’s a particularly ludicrous historical argument, even by Kiwiblog standards.
      
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      September 5, 2016 2:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, are you saying a country does not have the right to decide who it accepts as immigrants, even whether it accepts any immigrants at all>
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops double posted. Second time it’s happened under the new Kiwiblog format.
        
        ~~Milky, are you saying a country does not have the right to decide who it accepts as immigrants, even whether it accepts any immigrants at all?~~
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:22pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Mikenmild,
        
        Do you think that outsiders have right to dictate to East Asian nations (China, ROK, Japan) that they accept immigrants?
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:26pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Jack
        No, I didn’t say that. I was just commenting that the alliance of a Muslim leader with Hitler does not tell us anything about Islam generally.
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:44pm
      - Jack5
        
        While we’re diverted from whether a country has a right to set its own immigration policy, Milky, you might like to glance at the link to a Wall Street Journal review article about Hitler’s admiration for Islam.
        
        A taster for you:
        
        As David Motadel writes in “Islam and Nazi Germany’s War,” Muslims fought on both sides in World War II. But only Nazis and Islamists had a political-spiritual romance. Both groups hated Jews, Bolsheviks and liberal democracy. Both sought what Michel Foucault, praising the Iranian Revolution in 1979, would later call the spiritual-political “transfiguration of the world” by “combat.” The caliph, the Islamist Zaki Ali explained, was the “führer of the believers.” “Made by Jews, led by Jews—therewith Bolshevism is the natural enemy of Islam,” wrote Mahomed Sabry, a Berlin-based propagandist for the Muslim Brotherhood in “Islam, Judaism, Bolshevism,” a book that the Reich’s propaganda ministry recommended to journalists.
        
        The link:
        
        http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination-by-stefan-ihrig-and-islam-and-nazi-germanys-war-by-david-motadel-1421441724
        
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        September 5, 2016 2:58pm
- itstricky
  
  It’s hard to take seriously someone who uses ‘gaggle of’, ‘thought police’ etc in a formal speech.
  
  Then he conflates your average Muslim with Islamic terrorism, Godwin conflating Nazis with Germans along the way, then wonders out loud why people started shouting at him. Either he’s completely thick, or he did it on purpose.
  
  Irony involved in ‘I’m a libertarian, BUT BAN Muslims’ is massive, despite his protestations.
  
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  September 5, 2016 2:05pm
  - itstricky
    
    All Christians are paedophiles.
    
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    September 5, 2016 2:06pm
    - itstricky
      
      Gasp! Kiwiblog is full of a gaggle of PC thought police who are trying to shut me down. The downticks prove it. Can’t trust em Christians, implement immigration bans immediately.
      
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      September 5, 2016 5:25pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The key assumption that liberalism makes that that ALL people want to live and let live; whereas it is patently clear that some people want to live and let die.
    Tolerance only works when everyone practices it.
    
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    September 5, 2016 2:23pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’s hot ‘n’ strong on his own freedom which, after all is the only freedom that matters.
    
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    September 5, 2016 8:46pm
- Griff
  
  That is, elements of Islam have declared war on us,
  ………………………………………………………..
  In war, all bets are off. You don’t have to extend peacetime freedoms to those you’re at war with.
  
  We are at war?
  We may have a problem in the west with a very small element of Islam doing terrorist acts.
  We are not at war with all of Islam or all its adherents.
  Seeking to ban all Muslims or all forms of Muslim dress is a massive over reaction
  All the result would be is to force those Muslims already in our society towards the extremists.
  This is what Muslim terrorism is designed to do.
  Banning Muslims religious symbols or dress would be operating on the Muslim side in the battle against the west.
  
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  September 5, 2016 3:03pm
  - Icarus
    
    Now replace references to Muslims with pedophiles and see how it reads.
    
    It is quite okay to pick and chose who we let in. The last thing we need more of are religious people of any kind.
    
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    September 5, 2016 3:40pm
    - itstricky
      
      That’s quite possibly one of the silliest things I’ve read given the two terms are not equivalent.
      
      Paedophile = criminal. Explicitly implied.
      Muslim = Follower of religion. Not necessarily implied to be criminal.
      
      Almost sounds like a Donald Trump argument.
      
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      September 5, 2016 5:31pm
      - Icarus
        
        Sorry you missed the point. Maybe I should have typed slower so you can keep up. Or maybe you are just virtue signalling ?
        
        I was not saying the two are equivalent. The point is we want to keep certain types out of the country. In fact people are often refused entry for various un PC thought crimes, but that is seldom mentioned by your sort.
        
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        September 5, 2016 5:39pm
      - Griff
        
        Its a troll itstricky
        Being stunningly stupid to get a reaction .
        Such a sad little thing.
        It needs the attention it’s trolling gets. It attacks those it recognizes as doing better than it so they give it some attention. It is trying to get some self esteem back to make up for its failure as a functioning human .
        Pity it for its issues but dont encourage them getting worse by trying to reason with its insanity.
        
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        September 5, 2016 5:50pm
      - itstricky
        
        I think it’s a virtue signal, signalling virtue.
        
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        September 5, 2016 6:34pm
      - Icarus
        
        Griff, I think your constant personal attacks and unhinged ramblings fit the troll thing better than anyone.
        
        It is very clear you are somewhat limited in your intellect and nasty with it, but you would do well to make some attempt at addressing the issue being discussed. Personal attacks are fun, but do get boring.
        
        You are a rather tragic figure though you could do more to elevate yourself.
        
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        September 5, 2016 6:42pm
      - Griff
        
        Oh but I have discussed the issue in detail.
        I have even linked to physiological profiles to back my assertions .
        The issue my poor little broken one is you can not debate with someone who squawks whatever bullshite that comes into her head to get a reaction.
        I have made that extremely obvious to all .
        It really gets up your noise that I will not play your games as we can see with your little tantrums and pathetic attempts to troll me .
        Every time I think it is warranted I just point out what your game is to others. This inoculates them against your disease.
        I consider this a public service to the KB community.
        
        Did you chuck a tanty and delete the kriss x account when you got banned ?
        Oh dear… how sad… never mind .
        
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        September 5, 2016 7:02pm
      - itstricky
        
        Griff, I think your constant personal attacks
        
        Meh, you’re just virtue signalling.
        
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        September 5, 2016 7:03pm
Jack5

Can any of the Stephies use a tennis racquet?

Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi is refusing to come to NZ to play in the Pakistan team for the Davis Cup tie.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11703707
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September 5, 2016 2:20pm
- Icarus
  
  Hilarious. He can stay home and use the time to do stuff like this.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3214243/Indian-sisters-sentenced-raped-paraded-naked-streets-brother-eloped-married-woman.html
  
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  September 5, 2016 2:32pm
mikenmild

Jack

A nation can decide who it wants to immigrate to it on any criterion it wishes

Seeing you want to bang that drum.
A nation could also decide that it wants to murder every redhead in the country.
Stating that a nation could ban something doesn’t bring much to the argument.
If you are actually wanting to state a case for banning Muslim immigration, you might want to consider if there are any arguments of substance you could use.
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September 5, 2016 3:03pm
- Jack5
  
  There’s a vast distance between on the one hand, a country’s right to set its own immigration policy and its own tariffs, and on the other hand, deciding it wants to murder everyone of its people with a certain hair colour.
  
  Milky, you obviously think that Liberals have the right to overturn other countries’ immigration policies.
  
  That view’s more than a bit fascist.
  
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  September 5, 2016 3:26pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Where did I say that?
    Remember, we’re talking about a pretend libertarian wanting to ban people from this country on the basis of their religion.
    
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    September 5, 2016 3:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , I detect a serious disconnect there from the reality that Muslims here in NZ live out their daily lives , serve to obey our laws and not to “murder everyone of its people with a certain hair colour.”
    
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    September 5, 2016 3:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X, I’m sorry but I find this 3.31 post of yours unintelligible.
      
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      September 5, 2016 3:49pm
stephieboy

Jack 5 ,

a taster for you ,

Nazism and the Christian Heritage

Robert Carr draws uncomfortable parallels between Christianity and Nazism

“At first sight, the very idea that Nazism bears any relation to Christianity seems absurd. Yet before dismissing such an idea, we have we consider certain similarities. Certainly there were marked Christian influences on Nazism. This article will look specifically at the expression of Nazi anti-Semitism.

Christian Anti-Semitism

Nazi Germany was both a product of, and established in, Christian Europe. The Führer himself was educated in the strictest of Catholic institutions – a Benedictine monastery in Bavaria. More than that, he’d been a church chorister. Without doubt, childhood experiences help to mould adulthood. Christian influences certainly remained important in Hitler’s life: his favourite bed-time reading was Martin Luther. Luther had particular advice to offer concerning those who had failed to follow Christ – the Jews. Luther urged Christian action against them, including concentrating them in certain areas, drowning Jewish individuals and even wholesale murder:..”

http://www.historytoday.com/robert-carr/nazism-and-christian-heritage
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September 5, 2016 3:08pm
Michael

Seems there could be a bit of cheating going on at the paralympics.
My problem with competitors at these games, as I mentioned on Kiwiblog a couple of weeks ago, is how do you compare like with like?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/83906757/classification-cheating-fears-hang-over-rio-paralympics
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September 5, 2016 3:32pm
- Icarus
  
  The cheating started with banning Russia as part of Obama’s smear campaign. He really seems to hate white people.
  
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  September 5, 2016 3:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Good form there Icarus .Let us just blame the cheating on the President .
    
    Evidence and facts are of course irrelevant .
    
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    September 5, 2016 3:41pm
    - Icarus
      
      Yeah because a black president would never use propaganda. He is a racist who openly supported BLM as they murdered police. Obama was defending them even as the blood flowed.
      
      Obama hates white people and is a violent racist. He especially hates proud white people like the Russians.
      
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      September 5, 2016 3:46pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  The Paralympics is always going to be poor cousin to the Olympics and a non event in reality.
  Besides who is making the poppies for Anzac Day next year while they are away.
  
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  September 5, 2016 4:11pm
  - SGA
    
    Besides who is making the poppies for Anzac Day next year while they are away.
    
    Tacky – not even close to being funny. I hope no one in your family ever loses a limb or is confined to a wheelchair.
    
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    September 5, 2016 4:19pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Making assumptions about people based on what they write on a blog can be very hit and miss.
      You might be very surprised if you actually met my family in person.
      
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      September 5, 2016 4:36pm
      - Icarus
        
        Ignore him. He was just virtue signalling. Smug prick.
        
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        September 5, 2016 4:39pm
      - SGA
        
        Possibly, but I’m not sure that makes you any more a comedian (unless your comment wasn’t intended to be funny).
        
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        September 5, 2016 4:40pm
      - itstricky
        
        LOL the virtue signalling excuse i.e I want to defend something shitty without saying sorry.
        
        If S&S had said that in public and received a smack to the nose for it, would that blow be ‘virtue signalling’ or just ‘good riddance’?
        
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        September 5, 2016 6:32pm
      - Icarus
        
        “If S&S had said that in public and received a smack to the nose for it, would that blow be ‘virtue signalling’ or just ‘good riddance’?”
        
        If SGA had said that in public and received a smack to the nose for it, would that blow be ‘virtue signalling’ or just ‘good riddance’?
        
        If itstricky had said that in public and received a smack to the nose for it, would that blow be ‘virtue signalling’ or just ‘good riddance’?
        
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        September 5, 2016 6:38pm
      - itstricky
        
        Nice smoke signalling
        
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        September 5, 2016 7:06pm
Jack5

Stephie X, you are telling camels again (in your 3.08 post). Out of sensitivities for the Islamic religion, I cannot really accuse you of telling porkies.

To borrow your idiotic questioning technique: where is your evidence that Martin Luther was Hitler’s “favourite bed-time reading”?

Hitler put Luther on a pedestal with Frederick the Great, but it’s an Islamic fairy story that Luther was his bed-time reading.

Apparently Hitler had library of 16,000 volumes by the time he was 56. According to the article linked to below, his favourite titles included Cooper’s “Last of the Mohicans”, “Don Quixote,” “Hamlet”, Carlyle’s biography of Frederick the Great, and Ibsen’s “Peer Gynt” as well as the obnoxious book by Henry Ford, “The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem”.

Twelve hundred volumes of Hitler’s private library are now stored in America’s Library of Congress.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2008/10/17/hitlers-bedtime-reading.html
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September 5, 2016 3:41pm
- Icarus
  
  Hitler was a staunch Catholic. It is not disputed by any credible source.
  
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  September 5, 2016 3:57pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    Well maybe that was one of his proclamations but actions speak louder than words. I’m not a Christian but I’m more of a Christian than was Hitler.
    
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    September 5, 2016 6:30pm
    - Fletch
      
      Hitler was no Christian. During WWII he even forbade traditional Christmas decorations and ornaments and there was a whole propaganda movement with Nazi tree decorations and such.
      
      Also, The list of quotes below are from Hitler’s Table Talk
      
      “So it`s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.”
      [14/10/1941]
      
      “The same thing is happening to music as is happening to beauty in a world dominated by the shavelings-the Christian religion is an enemy to beauty.”
      [20-21/2/1942]
      
      “What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and technical level,Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level.
      When the Crown sees the throne totter,it needs the support of the masses.
      It would be better to speak of Constantine the traitor and Julian the Loyal than of Constantine the Great and Julian the Apostate.”
      [27/1/1942]
      
      The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus,which was later called Christianity,is nothing but the Communism of to-day”
      [29-30/11/1944]
      
      “If God is truly interested in men being enlightened,one wonders why He resorts to torture for that purpose.
      While we`re on the subject,let`s add that,even amongst those who claim to be good Catholics,very few really believe in this humbug.”
      
      I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie.”
      
      “Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.
      It will last another hundred years,two hundred years perhaps.
      My regret will have been that I couldn`t, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar.”
      [27/2/1942]
      
      “Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don`t believe the thing`s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”
      [14/12/1941]
      
      “Christianity is a rebellion against natural law,a protest against nature.
      Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”
      [10/10/1941]
      
      “I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians!”
      
      “But Christianity is the invention of sick brains:”
      [13/12/1941]
      
      “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity`s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.”
      [11-12/7/1941]
      
      “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”
      [19/10/1941]
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk
      
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      September 5, 2016 7:06pm
Manolo

Muslim-lover Mamma Merkel on the run:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/german-anti-immigrant-party-poised-big-gains-merkels-071222127.html

German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats were beaten into third place by the anti-immigrant and anti-Islam Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in a north-eastern state election on Sunday, TV exit polls showed.
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September 5, 2016 4:18pm
- Icarus
  
  The media are going to be busy, with smear campaigns opening on multiple fronts. Trump, Brexit and now this.
  
  Of course they already have floated the answer after the Brexit result, saying people are too stupid to vote and should have to pass tests first (to check for thought crimes) old people should not be allowed to vote, or simply calling for an end to democracy entirely.
  
  They are not taking the rise of the sensible right very well. Witness the increasingly frequent melt downs of Griff and fellow travelers here on KB
  
  Good times 🙂
  
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  September 5, 2016 4:33pm
  - sam green
    
    Really. You do have a rich fantasy life Shawn. What a cock you are.
    
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    September 5, 2016 11:13pm
Manolo

Our resident multiculturalist would be horrified:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/former-glamour-model-groomed-online-as-jihadi-bride/ar-AAiuGw0?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Islamic State extremists trying to sign up ‘jihadi brides’ to travel to Iraq or Syria have tried to recruit a former glamour model who converted to Islam.
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September 5, 2016 4:41pm
- nasska
  
  ‘Horrified’ wouldn’t begin to describe his anguish.
  
  A former glamour model would be well over nine years old!
  
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  September 5, 2016 4:48pm
  - stigie
    
    Let her go if that’s what she wants, if something happens that won’t suit ISIS, she will be passed around the soldiers like a piece of meat possibly never to return home..?
    
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    September 5, 2016 5:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Breaking news, Kevin Hague leaving Parliament to become CEO of Forest and Bird.
I for one won’t miss his thoroughly nasty persona.
Sounds like sour grapes after his unsuccessful tilt at the ‘male’ co-leader role.
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September 5, 2016 5:03pm
- starboard
  
  One less homosexual in Parliament..can only be a good thing.
  
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  September 5, 2016 5:15pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Just another example of why I could not take any environmental lobby group seriously in NZ as they seem to be just extensions of the Green Party in parliament.
  Norman to Greenpeace, Hague to F&B, who is next I wonder.
  
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  September 5, 2016 5:15pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Turei to Project Jonah?
    
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    September 5, 2016 6:58pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  That dooms fundraising for Forest and Bird. To think that I was once a member of that now ideologically marxist organisation.
  
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  September 5, 2016 5:48pm
starboard

Spotted that ginga ” give me my flag back ” Wussel Norman on tv sporting the craziest looking ginga beard Ive ever seen! Its all over the place..looks like he has been dragged through a blackberry bush backwards. Wild man of Borneo type.
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September 5, 2016 5:18pm
- stigie
  
  You need to take Wussell to Bangkok Starbored and show him a good time. Set him up with a couple of Ladyboys who can stick it to him just like Greenpeace trying to stick it to all New Zealanders !~
  
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  September 5, 2016 5:38pm
  - starboard
    
    Even Ladyboy’s have standards stigie and wussel would fall well short.
    
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    September 5, 2016 5:40pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Anything’s okay on an imaginary holiday.
      
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      September 5, 2016 5:44pm
      - stigie
        
        “Anything’s okay on an imaginary holiday.”
        
        Hell Milky, what would you say if a video came out with ya mother milking Starbored in Bangcock..?
        
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        September 5, 2016 5:58pm
      - starboard
        
        Poor Milky..has to sit at home with mum, cant go out, never seen a vagina, has sex with an oiled rubber bum..what a loser.
        
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        September 5, 2016 9:18pm
starboard

some lefty downtickers on the loose again..a pox on you
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September 5, 2016 5:39pm
- sam green
  
  Have you got one of those rubber bums starboard – you seem to know a lot about them.
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:11pm
Icarus

Barack Obama Under Fire For These Racist, Anti-White Remarks

A newly surfaced interview proves that Obama is a racist President who has a deep-seeded hatred for white people.

In the brief clip, Obama blasts his grandmother, calling her a “typical white person” who is fearful of blacks and therefore holds them back.

His comments suggest that Obama believes “typical” white people are out to get blacks, and can’t control their inner racism. In reality, it is Obama who is proven to be the racist one from these comments, not white people.

https://www.mrconservative.com/2014/10/51939-barack-obama-under-fire-for-these-racist-anti-white-remarks/

Soon he will finish playing president and Trump can get on with trying to repair the damage. Or they will tick the woman box, now the black one is ticked, and America is doomed.
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September 5, 2016 5:53pm
Icarus

A street hustler with sterling academic bona fides — which are always suspect — Mr. Obama had never accomplished a single thing as a politician when he decided to run for president. In his 2008 campaign, he was most admired for not voting to invade Iraq — a vote that took place years before he joined the U.S. Senate.

Yet not even one year into his presidency, and while directing two hot wars, Mr. Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy between peoples.” He was heralded in particular for his unparalleled success in the Muslim world.

Indeed, the soft bigotry of low expectations exists nowhere so virulently as in the whitest confines of Nordic lands and elite American academia.

The insultingly low bar set for President Obama, however, gave even those American voters who could not support his candidacy or policies some glimmer of hope.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/obama-tramples-on-high-ideals-of-america-fuels-bla/

There are few people more racist and ignorant than Obama fan boys. His presidency has been a miserable failure. The left indulging this hideous man has ruined it for any capable decent black person with political ambition.
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September 5, 2016 5:59pm
Captain Mainwaring

The Drunken Dwarf gets caught out again.
After laying into the leader of the new Indian party for previously donating to National, it was pointed out to him that he had also donated to NZ First, and a copy of the cheque was waved in front of his nose.
A totally flummoxed Peters was paraded on our screens and to his credit, Paddy the gnome gave him a right royal bollocking.
Still amazes me that so many slightly disgruntled Nats are prepared to put the country’s future in the hands of this idiot.
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September 5, 2016 6:27pm
Keeping Stock

Over at Stuff, there’s a headline that says

Green MP quits politics for the environment

Sadly, the Greens quit “the environment” a long time ago for politics. Not any old politics either, but for the extreme Left of the political spectrum. It’s telling that Hague has to quit the parliamentary Green Party to become an eco-warrior again.
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September 5, 2016 6:28pm
- Icarus
  
  Globally the environmental movement has been totally over run by people with political agendas.
  
  The swivel eyed loons screeching about climate change demand socialism as a cure, as one example.
  
  We are way too tolerant of these people and we should call them out on their BS.
  
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  September 5, 2016 6:32pm
Scott Chris

Keeping Stock

Over at Stuff, there’s a headline that says
Green MP quits politics for the environment

Yes haha but what are you doing for the environment KS? Nothing to see here?
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September 5, 2016 6:41pm
- Icarus
  
  Well he could do what the Greens do for the environment:
  
  1. Promote homosexuality.
  
  2. Rant about race issues.
  
  3. Promote the hatred of white males.
  
  4. Demand more socialism.
  
  5. Demand hand outs for certain elite groups like baby farming women, Maoris etc.
  
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  September 5, 2016 6:49pm
  - itstricky
    
    Meh, you’re just virtue signalling
    
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    September 5, 2016 7:10pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Actually Scott Chris, I spent a good part of yesterday planting grasses, flax, toi toi and cabbage trees at a local place where a wetlands has been recreated on unproductive farmlands. Fish life is already returning to the area, and as the native plants grow, bird life will thrive
  
  What about you?
  
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  September 5, 2016 6:51pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Ouch. What burn.
    
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    September 5, 2016 7:03pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    All good mate. Aside from my planet saving activities I traveled to Mt Smart for the Warriors’ last game of the season. I have only one thing to say on that subject: Bring Back Ivan.
    
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    September 5, 2016 8:34pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Given that you are a planet saver, I trust that you walked to Mt. Smart.
      I think Keeping Stock got you a good one there.
      
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      September 5, 2016 8:44pm
      - Icarus
        
        No. Planet saving things like walking, trains, bikes are only for the plebs, not the elite. Its lefty thought 101.
        
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        September 5, 2016 8:49pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I think my chances of driving along the Transmission Gully highway in my lifetime are greater than my chances of seeing the Warriors win the NRL.
      
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      September 5, 2016 9:40pm
      - Manolo
        
        Or seeing Angry Andy as PM of NZ!
        
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        September 5, 2016 9:43pm
nasska

Green apparatchiks will travel by BMW just like the Maori elite.

They are very, very important people.
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September 5, 2016 8:56pm
- Icarus
  
  Yes very important. It is also worth noting that those who identify as conservatives give more to charity than lefties.
  
  The whole edifice of lefty thought is based on the belief that people are rotten and bad, so they must be controlled and given as little freedom as possible.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Look folks, The Greens want some new candidates to do all their hard yakka for them.
Apply within:
https://www.greens.org.nz/become-green-party-candidate?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=2017candidate
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September 5, 2016 9:01pm
- Icarus
  
  Great I might have a crack at that. I can make NZ great again, by increased use of natural resources such as coal and oil.
  
  Our farming sector will also be great, with GMO crops covering the land.
  
  I will make further savings by cutting benefits to baby farming slappers and stopping the gravy train to Maori.
  
  They are going to love my forward thinking ideas.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I’d vote for you in a flash if you are open to cheap bribes.
    
    I see you will have to stump up with $5 first (membership fee).
    
    I could fiddle the accounts and pay this for you, in return for a little something when you take your place in the corridors of power.
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:14pm
    - Icarus
      
      Maggy, yes I am okay with that. I will form a network of the rich 1% . Join with me and your future is assured.
      
      Those hippies need to get real. I will give you a job running the beautification project of ripping down those useless ugly wind turbines. They can be melted down and repurposed as fracking and coal mining machinery.
      
      The project will be financed by the money saved from closing down the children’s hospitals.
      
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      September 5, 2016 9:45pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Don’t forget all that Gold on Great Barrier Island- and elsewhere like in the Coromandel.
    
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    September 5, 2016 9:26pm
    - Icarus
      
      Yes Red. You could be my minister for the environment/strip mining.
      
      The Coromandel is full of communists and useless scrub land. Your job will be to burn the whole lot down and retrieve the gold.
      
      The communists won’t have a benefit anymore so you can use them for labor.
      
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      September 5, 2016 9:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jobs for everyone!
        
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        September 5, 2016 9:52pm
Morrissey

Witless cartoonists strike again…

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/09/04/where-is-a-tsunami-when-we-need-one/
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September 5, 2016 9:02pm
- Icarus
  
  You want to cut their heads off ?
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:07pm
  - sam green
    
    Stop trolling Shawn you fuckhead.
    
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    September 5, 2016 11:07pm
Morrissey

Hillary Clinton Courts Henry Kissinger’s Endorsement Even After Meeting His Victims
by ZAID JILANI, The Intercept, Sept. 4, 2016

HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN has been seeking the endorsement of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, and their efforts may pay off, as there are reports that he is expected soon, alongside former Secretary of State George Schultz, to issue a joint endorsement of Clinton.

While those inside the national security community in Washington, D.C., may applaud the endorsement, Kissinger’s legacy of war crimes — from complicity in the 1973 coup in Chile to spearheading the saturation bombing of Indochina — has made him far less popular among human rights observers.

Clinton is well aware of that legacy. As secretary of state, she traveled to areas of the world that were devastated by policies Kissinger crafted and implemented.

The most relevant example is in 2012, when she visited Laos’s Cooperative Orthotic & Prosthetic Enterprise, a joint project between NGOs and the government of Laos dedicated to helping people with physical disabilities get prosthetic limbs and be rehabilitated. The project’s creation was prompted by the millions of submunitions littered across Laos, left over from the U.S. air war on the country during the conflict in Indochina.

A 2009 government report estimated that there are still 300 casualties annually from leftover ordinance.

During Clinton’s visit she met with Peter Kim, a young man who at age 16 happened upon an unexploded American bomb and lost both of his hands and his eyesight. “For everyone who works to help prevent injury and then to help survivors, and to the people of Laos, and I wish everything good for you,” Clinton told Kim as reporters watched on.

Kissinger served as President Richard Nixon’s secretary of state when that president expanded the U.S. air war in Laos. During the 1971 ground invasion of the country, Nixon complained about the media’s critique of the operation, leading Kissinger to quip that if “Britain had a press like this in World War II, they would have quit in ’42.”

The bombings made Laos, “per capita, the most heavily bombed country on earth,” with around a ton of bombs being dropped for every person in the country.

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/03/hillary-clinton-courts-henry-kissingers-endorsement-even-after-meeting-his-victims/
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September 5, 2016 9:11pm
Morrissey

Icarus @ 9:07 pm:

No I don’t. Why would you ask such a question?
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September 5, 2016 9:13pm
- Icarus
  
  Because that is what you people do to cartoonists. You kill them.
  
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  September 5, 2016 9:38pm
Tauhei Notts

I thought that on this blogsite at least one oversensitive Yid would have criticised Winston Peters’ comment about the banks retrieving their “pound of flesh” from sharemilkers in a bit of financial strife; now that the Fonterra price lift has brought them from deep insolvency to nearly broke.
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September 5, 2016 9:19pm
Scott Chris

Well if you want to use the epithet Yid then I suspect the feelers will be out for you Tauhei Notts.
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September 5, 2016 9:33pm
Scott Chris

banks retrieving their “pound of flesh”

Probably the most forgettable Shakespeare quote. He has much wiser stuff.
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September 5, 2016 9:45pm
Don the Kiwi

A man is seeking to join the Glasgow Police force. The
Sergeant doing the interview says:
“Your qualifications all look good, but there is an
attitude suitability test that you must take before you
can be accepted.”
Then, sliding a pistol and a box of ammo across the desk,
he says:
“Take this pistol and go out and shoot six illegal
immigrants, six drug dealers, six extremists, and a
rabbit”
The man being interviewed asks, “Why the rabbit?”
“Excellent” says the Sergeant. “When can you start?
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September 5, 2016 9:49pm
Don the Kiwi

I spent a couple of hours defrosting the fridge last
night.
Or “foreplay” as she likes to call it.
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September 5, 2016 9:57pm
Don the Kiwi

Went out last night and got really wasted.
I woke up this morning next to a fat old bird who was
snoring and farting … so, at least I got home OK.
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September 5, 2016 9:58pm
Scott Chris

Aim for this DonKiwi;

I have touched the highest point of all my greatness;
And from that full meridian of my glory
I haste now to my setting: I shall fall
Like a bright exhalation in the evening,
And no man see me more.
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September 5, 2016 9:59pm
- Icarus
  
  Pretentious prat ^^^
  
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  September 5, 2016 10:00pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    Yeah probably but I like the words anyway.
    
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    September 5, 2016 10:06pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Relax, unwind, and release the stress of a hectic day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pJG5pMives
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September 5, 2016 10:57pm
- Scott Chris
  
  Fuck off Bottocks feel tense to this bit:
  
  https://youtu.be/ED5-QGuxJs8?t=1683
  
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  September 5, 2016 11:14pm
Left Right and Centre

general tv – I have the great fortune to be viewing one of the finest programmes ever screened on NZ broadcast TV.
Great Continental Railway Journeys.
Good TV nightmare – endless staggering shots of Spain – utopian architecture, art, people – cool high speed trains. There is *no filler*. Every bit of it keeps your attention.
I’m trying to do my weights – there’s no gaps anywhere, I’ve simply got to wait – and type as I watch.
This is when someone *gets TV right*. I don’t even hate the incidental music soundtrack. And there’s token ad breaks – it’s a full hour.
TV at its utmost best – love it.
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September 6, 2016 5:31am
Viking2

Ploughman
Nz spend 20% of GDP on welfare of all sorts and 1% on Research and development, Germany spends 3% and Israel 4%. Israel is a world leader in dairy technology and exports more dairy tech than NZ even thou it is a pig of place to raise cows. Coordianted R&D has done it, govt, universities/reseach, and private enterprise working together
We go on about high wage economy but are not prepared to invest in the high value production side. all we have achieved is making NZ an expensive place
Along with the reserve bank act we need the 4% R&D act

Much truth in that statement.
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