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DifferentPerspective

Lyin’ media been lyin’ to us about Trump all the while

In no surprise at all to the sane among society, that the latest Rasmussen poll shows that the all-out propaganda war waged by the MSM against Trump is not having much effect on the US voters as Trump support weathers the storm.

It’s not that Clinton is a horribly unelectable candidate. A liar, plagued by mistrust, funded by the chief purveyors of muslim imperialism (the House of Saud), an apologist for urban terrorism and an apologist for violence to women in all forms.

It’s not that Trump is a good candidate. In my view he’s not well suited to be president.

It’s that the average US citizen is sick of:
– made-up socialist thought-crimes dressed up as political correctness
– made-up theories about globalisation benefitting them (it doesn’t! it makes them unemployed!)
– being asked to trust totally untrustworthy bought political shills like Clinton, Obama and the Bushes
– being lied to by the media (you know, the ones whose owners want their ‘bought’ candidates to keep on doing their bidding)
– being lied to about the latest ‘Chicken Little’ fear theory to keep the voters compliant (yes Climate Alarmism).

Trump is gaining ground because he is the Anti-candidate. He is the opposite to all the crap political insiders that have gone before him. The cretins on the left don’t get it – but he’s what they wanted all along. He is the first sign that the comfy post-war political accord that has pulled the US into mediocrity is over.

Trump’s real offence in the eyes of the political insiders and the MSM is he has widespread popular appeal (remember Katie Bradford on Key “no matter what we say or what we do, the polls don’t change”).

The reason there is a propaganda war being waged against Trump is that he just won’t do as he’s told!

Imagine how awful that would be, a President who is answerable to the voters and not to the big money funders.

No wonder everyone is so worried about this!
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September 2, 2016 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  Stephies all over Mt Roskill will be banging their heads in furious prayer; Trump must not win over the ‘chosen one’.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:12am
- Paulus
  
  When will our so called MSM realise that to viciously continue to portray the negative anti Donald Trump gets up people’s noses more than a little flattery.
  The more they, for example, are denigrated the more people will ignore the so called Media.
  K Bradford tried everything at the last election to denigrate Key and the National Party and cannot understand why she was ignored. Silly !!!!!!!!!
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    I would not have said # silly #. I would have said # stupid #.
    
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    September 2, 2016 1:45pm
- EAD
  
  It’s become something of joke when the Elites use the word ”populist” in a pejorative sense, meaning it’s morally wrong to be popular.
  
  However, from their perspective it’s no joke, because these populists, Trump being the big one, are bringing into question their right to rule us, their right to reshape the world and its populations as they see fit.
  
  Do people ever just wonder why do they have that right and from where did it come and upon what does this power rest?
  
  In the end it’s just money and media control, nothing else, and it will have to be taken away from them, in the end.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:29am
- Scott
  
  I agree with you on Hillary. She just wants to run out the clock till election day, attend fundraisers to make even more money than she has now and if she does a speech half of the content is to bash Donald Trump.
  
  I think Donald Trump has done a real pivot to the centre, particularly on immigration, where he is going to win over the centrist voter who is concerned about immigration but still wants to be politically correct while doing so. Trump has visited the Mexican president, showed himself as presidential, and then got home and delivered a major speech on immigration which has been well received even by his conservative critics on the right.
  
  The essence of Trump’s position on immigration appears to be – build a wall and enforce the border, immediately get rid of criminal alien elements and actually enforce the immigration laws already on the books. When the border is secure and the flood of illegal immigration has stopped and is a memory then anyone left in the United States who is still an illegal immigrant their fate can then be decided. This is important because any move to Amnesty, which is the Democrat position, will act as a vacuum pump to bring even more illegal immigrants to the United States.
  
  Obama’s position on immigration has been hopeless and is one of the key reasons for the rise of Trump. Trump’s position on immigration is now very strong and even his most vociferous conservative critics give him grudging respect.
  
  Trump is on a roll for the general election. Hillary is not well and cannot respond.
  
  http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/09/trumps-immigration-speech.php
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    DifferentPerspective,
    
    “Imagine how awful that would be, a President who is answerable to the voters and not to the big money funders.”
    
    And who has Trump been answerable to ?
    
    Board of Directors ? Nope.
    Shareholders . Nope
    
    Negotiating and willing to compromise over eg the stupid i1900 mile wall . Nope .
    
    Anybody else ? Nope .
    
    Scott, where is the evidence of Hillary is not well conspiracy like the Body count or Benghazi conspiracy ?
    
    But go ahead and spend your spare time flogging dead horses .
    
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    September 2, 2016 8:50am
    - Scott
      
      Stephieboy – far be it from me to call your mate Hillary a “dead horse”! But she does remind me of a grumpy old great aunt that I once had that needed a nap every afternoon. Face it stephieboy she is not well. She can’t even hold a press conference this whole year!! I understand that would interfere with her afternoon nap time?
      
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      September 2, 2016 11:27am
  - mikenmild
    
    Trump is on a roll
    
    Only a matter of time before that becomes manifest in the polls, right?
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:07am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Lol – wouldn’t want to pop your balloon with the truth and all. But did you click on the link in my post?
      
      I doubt it as that would involve coming to a little place ordinary, decent folk call “reality” – a place not often visited by the idealogues of the left.
      
      But thank you for sharing your unique and special views once again. We’re all enriched by the diversity you bring – even if you don’t read too well.
      
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      September 2, 2016 10:05am
      - mikenmild
        
        I commented elsewhere on the Rasmussen poll. What effect do you think that has had on the aggregates of polls and the forecasting models?
        
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        September 2, 2016 11:09am
    - Paulus
      
      The media will not let this happen – they will continue and increase their vehemence against Trump.
      Ask Katie Bradford, Du Plessis Allen, and Andrea Vance.
      
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      September 2, 2016 10:57am
    - Scott
      
      Good point Mikey – the polls are tightening, Trump has momentum, Trump is in Mexico talking to the Mexican president, Trump delivers a great speech on immigration – it’s all Trump, all the way.
      
      Hillary hasn’t got the energy to do anything except fund raise which is wired into the Clinton DNA. She hasn’t done a press conference in 2016! She can barely fill a high school gym for her occasional rallies. Even the liberal mainstream press are going after her – when will you hold a press conference? Even the mainstream media realise she missed an opportunity to go and visit the Mexican president. But she’s too busy Mikey – it’s time for her afternoon nap!?
      
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      September 2, 2016 11:24am
      - mikenmild
        
        The polls are tightening? I suppose that’s true, if you call going from neck-and-neck at the start of august to an eight-point lead to Clinton in mid-August to only a four-point lead now ‘tightening’.
        
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        September 2, 2016 11:52am
  - SPC
    
    There was no pivot to the centre on immigration.
    
    His speech reinforced his intent to deport all 11M illegals. He was told off by Sarah Palin for appearing to go lax on this, with a focus on removing only those who had committed crimes, so he re-asserted his first position to deport all of them.
    
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    September 2, 2016 4:03pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Good comments. I think Trump is very well suited to be potus. He’s run a huge, successful organization with thousands of employees. He’s got some great USA centric policy proposals. He’s not running to be potus because he wants to be “the uniparty” club; he loves the USA. The USA’s “system” is SUPPOSED to have people from all walks of life ELECTED to serve temporarily – NOT professional (bought and paid for) “politicians”. The average USA citizen is TIRED of being lied to and a NON politician being potus ticks lots of boxes. Oh and sickly liar Hillary’s “likability” factor? Diminishing by the day…. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-number-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:59am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yes, Hillary Clinton is very unpopular. Luckily for her, Donald Trump is even more unpopular.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:10am
    - Scott
      
      Sorry Mikey – Hillary’s unpopularity is now dead even with Donald Trump’s. People are warming to the Donald, Hillary is too tired to respond!
      
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      September 2, 2016 11:30am
      - Scott
        
        Just replying to Mikey – sure Clinton got a big bounce following her convention and 2 weeks of the mainstream media viciously piling on Trump for every single syllable he uttered.
        But since then Clinton has been hit with more email revelations and the expose of the Clinton foundation and the expose that she is tired and probably not well.
        While Trump has hit his straps with better speeches, laying out his policy on immigration and not going off script so often.
        
        The latest Rasmussen poll has Trump up by one. There is still plenty of time till November for Trump’s numbers to rise and Hillary’s to continue to sink.
        
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        September 2, 2016 12:44pm
  - Scott
    
    Great points Lisa – couldn’t agree more.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:29am
- DJP6-25
  
  Hammer meets nail. Well written -:)
  
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  September 2, 2016 11:53am
Manolo

Invasion alert:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3768776/Fury-fear-Paris-Wealthy-residents-outraged-two-migrant-camps-built-elite-neighbourhood-3million-apartments-French-capital.html

Paris residents have reacted with fury to the building of new camps in the city that are set to be full of thousands of UK-bound migrants by next month.
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September 2, 2016 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  When the wealthy get affected anywhere in the world, cages get rattled. Politicians in France should be worried.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:16am
  - kowtow
    
    Same in Italy. Too bad the plebs don’t rise up , afterall it’s the jobs at the bottom of the pile that go to the illiterate incomers, the few that will work.
    
    “But locals say Capalbio is too small to accommodate so many foreigners and fear that their presence could damage tourism and the town’s reputation as a summer retreat for Rome-based writers, artists and Left-leaning politicians.”
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/17/hilltop-town-in-tuscany-in-revolt-over-plan-to-take-in-50-refuge/
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:00am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      “…..summer retreat for Rome-based writers, artists and Left-leaning politicians.””
      
      By all means we should definitely send them there then. Nothing like having to live in your own stench to clear the nose and smash the rose tinted glasses off your face.
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:48am
- EAD
  
  @ Manolo,
  
  getting rid of the invaders can be done. Read about these great developments in Kenya for which we can be sure the Western MSM will not be reporting on:
  
  http://newobserveronline.com/kenya-expel-425000-somali-refugees/
  
  abridged:
  
  The black African state of Kenya has ordered the expulsion of 425,000 Somali “refugees” back home, calling the invaders a “breeding ground for terrorism” and an “economic burden.”
  
  The West’s controlled media has blacked out the news because it undermines the “Somali refugee” narrative promoted in the West—and because it is a black state doing the expelling, instead of a European state.
  …
  The expulsion of the Somali “refugees” back to Somalia—with the acquiescence of the UNHCR—shows conclusively that there is no justification for the hundreds of thousands of Somalis claiming “refugee status” in Europe.
  
  It also shows that mass repatriations are possible—and if a Third World nation like Kenya can do it, then it can be done with far greater ease by a First World nation with the necessary willpower.
  
  Finally, the West’s controlled media blackout of the Kenya-Somali expulsions reveals the deceitful nature of that media. Not only do they ignore how black nations deal with invaders, but their behaviour also reveals the true agenda: the flooding and destruction of European nations only.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:59am
  - mikenmild
    
    Kenya is a ‘black’ African state? From various nature documentaries, I would have described it as a dusty brown state.
    
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    September 2, 2016 12:42pm
  - SPC
    
    Sure Europe is particularly dumb on refugees and immigration.
    
    Merkel’s unilateral abandonment of Shengen was a total breach of EU form and Germany getting away with it demonstrated who is above the rules applying to the others (who reigns).
    
    And its risible how Nigerian Christians are using the Moslem-Christian conflict in northern Nigeria to claim they are refugees (when they are safe in the south of the country). Joining the Eritreans and Ethiopians on that gravy train as economic refugees.
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:47pm
tom hunter

Okay space fans, here’s your latest launchpad explosion in HD, courtesy of Space X, from just a few hours ago. Start at 1:00 in to save time.

Seems they were about to launch a satellite for Facebook (they need their own?), when the fueling went wrong. While I feel for Elon Musk, I’m not sorry that Facebook takes a hit.

The camera is about 4km away and so the way the explosion shakes it is…. impressive.

No humans were harmed in the fueling of this rocket.
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September 2, 2016 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems he is having a bit of a funding problem
  http://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-faces-cash-squeeze-at-tesla-solarcity-1472687133
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:13am
  - tom hunter
    
    Solarcity is a farce, and Tesla was always going to be trying to crack an awfully tough nut in making electric cars mainstream and profitable. Developments will continue to be incremental and while Musk has shown the way with Tesla (electric cars can be cool to look at), his company could fall by the wayside as things develop, just as in any new industry.
    
    But SpaceX is the real deal. They’ve already wowed the industry with cost savings combined with launch success rates that nobody thought possible, and they continue to push hard on all that. Still a lot of bugs to work out in the reusable rocket area but the progress they’ve made has been impressive. Can’t wait to see the Falcon Heavy make its debut, and get astronauts to the ISS and back via the Dragon spacecraft.
    
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    September 2, 2016 8:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You can’t deny he’s a clever man and that Tesla cars are innovative and good looking.
    But, the ‘big’ boys like VW group are watching. Look to them to copy and start competing. Porsches new E Mission 4 door looks great.
    
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    September 2, 2016 8:39am
    - Griff
      
      😆
      A concept car they say will hit the market in 2020 that does not even meet the specification of a production S available now.
      Porsche E Mission3.5 sec to 100kmh range 500 km still a concept .
      Tesla model S p100d 2.5 sec to 100kmh range 610km and you can order one today.
      https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design
      Where will Tesla be in 2020 with their already proven technology and history of upgrades
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, so they are coming. So? Porsche also always understate performance. What’s with the puerile ????
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:08am
      - Griff
        
        I am laughing at you thinking that Porsche is in the running with a concept car not even a preproduction model yet. Tesla already has a real car you can buy today that out preforms the concept by a large margin .
        When Porsche finally gets into production the Telsa it will be competing against will be still faster and have even more range than today’s car. Tesla have a policy to upgrade the car every year or so by the time Porsche is on the shop floors Tesla will be selling a p120d .
        As well Telsa have a huge network of fast chargers allowing free long distance travel in major markets already in place. Porsche has a unique charging system that they will need to build from scratch to compete
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:22am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Griff
        You don’t get nuance do you fool. My point was the others are watching and will soon compete. It’s a concept. So? Let’s see if Tesla is still in business in 2020. But really you just want to have a go, eh fuckwit..
        Gosh, next you will be making US all laugh as you try to tell us you ‘think’ more than us. Soooo funny.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:34am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “Where will Tesla be in 2020”
        
        In bankrupcy.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:41am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Tesla, fast off the line but useless on a circuit. Fastest lap time at Nurburgring is > 10 minutes. My VW estate can beat that.
        
        Stoplight cowboy car for wankers.
        
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        September 2, 2016 12:24pm
      - Griff
        
        So Ed you have one ordered then?
        
        It is not really about the 0 to 100kmh time on a drag strip or how fast it is around a race track in the real world .
        Your time exposed to danger when overtaking is what counts on the road .Electric full torque always right under your pedal no gearbox ratios to shift or turbo to spool up to put the car into its torque band
        
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        September 2, 2016 1:04pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Forgot to add, bigger total life environmental footprint than my Petrol VW as well, carries a lot less, and goes only a little more than half as far before needing several hours (unless at a specialized place) to recharge.
        
        Car for wankers who want to pretend to care so they can lecture the rest of us.
        
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        September 2, 2016 3:27pm
      - Griff
        
        I do so love it when someone compares their little euro trash buzz box to a full size luxury sport sedan Ed .
        It sort of says .
        Inadequate.
        By the way the Tesla has a front trunk as well as a back one.
        The back boot volume alone is bigger than your wagons with the seats up.
        
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        September 2, 2016 6:23pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  While I feel for Facebook, I’m not sorry that Elon Musk takes a hit. The $30k per car he is getting from US taxpayers is the only thing keeping Tesla from insolvency.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:24am
  - tom hunter
    
    Yeah – but I was looking solely at SpaceX in saying that. I suppose you could argue that there is a “subsidy” from the US government when it comes to the ISS freight contracts, but the space station is there already, has to be serviced, and the only alternative is the Russians, who have used the monopoly they’ve had since the retirement of the Shuttle to cash in.
    
    And in the private sector launch world, Musk has beaten the competition openly and honestly.
    
    As far as Facebook is concerned – if it collapsed tomorrow I’d rejoice.
    
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    September 2, 2016 8:36am
- DJP6-25
  
  Thank God nobody was killed or injured.
  
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  September 2, 2016 11:57am
wiseowl

What a shake!
But don’t panic.As long as red radio pronounces Moori words right everything will be fine.
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September 2, 2016 8:07am
- EAD
  
  It always brings a smile to my face how they invent Maori words to describe modern technology.
  
  Maori is rooted in the stone age with no historical written tradition nor grammatical flexibility to adapt.
  
  The one that made me snort my coffee even more than normal when I heard some PC wanker imploring his listeners of the Maori word for “smartphone”
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , and what makes you think your brain ( Up tickers too ) is in better form from these “stone age ” Maori Graduate medical Doctors ?
    
    http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/news/2015/september-2015/24/maori-doctors-a-growing-force-–-but-don’t-take-them-for-granted.aspx
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:06am
    - EAD
      
      Well Stephie, when I was at Otago University, Maori Graduates + those from other low IQ populations (i.e Pacific Islands etc.) only required 71% (B grade) in 1st year Health Sciences to get into Med School whilst all those from High IQ populations (i.e. European, East Asian) required 86% (an A grade) to get into Med School.
      
      I had smart friends scoring low – mid 80’s averages, just missing the grade for Med school and either having to take the lesser Pharmacy or Physio path whilst (relatively speaking) thick Maori’s got put on the fast track to becoming a Doctor.
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:16am
      - stephieboy
        
        Well EAD, many graduates like this Maori Surgeon certainly needed more than a B+ to graduate in his chosen specialist field ,
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/274595/surgeon-hopes-success-will-encourage-young-maori
        
        Two other matters ,
        
        You might also like to explain why Jews contribute” astonishingly disproportionally “to the number of Noble Laureates in especially the physical sciences including molecular biology ?
        
        “The usually self-assured biologist, author and atheist Richard Dawkins expressed his bewilderment at the disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes won by Jews in a recent interview with the New Republic, saying he is “intrigued by” the “phenomenally high” number of Jewish laureates…”
        
        http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/10/29/richard-dawkins-perplexed-by-high-number-of-jewish-nobel-prize-winners/
        
        Nefarious conspiracy ?
        
        Again as asked before describe how you think your brain is physically superior to a Maori or a Jewish brain for that matter ?
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:31am
      - cmm
        
        Unfortunately they still get the same certificate to hang on the wall.
        
        So now if you find your doctor is a bro, you have to ask yourself. Did he:
        A) Get their on his own capability
        -or-
        B)Get their by climbing the brown ladder
        
        This unfortunately means that Maoris who really do well get tarred with the same brush. If must be somewhat annoying for them.
        
        But, hey, ideology is what’s important!
        
        NB: I specifically used “he”, because males are now a minority in med school and we must do everything we can to help build the profile of minorities.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:36am
      - Flash
        
        I worked with one of those graduates. Lovely chap, but he was a total failure in the hospital setting and after 2 years was consigned to a public health role in the provinces.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:37am
      - dave_c_
        
        Ahhh! We done have separatism in this country ! yer right
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:51am
      - Rich Prick
        
        In my day it was by way of application to enter on the quota system. A very good mate of mine refused to go down that path and got through on his own ability. I won’t share his views on those who applied for “special treatment”.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:54am
      - RF
        
        When I went through Police College we had a Maori recruit who was a nice guy but “slow”. His Exam results were a mess as he was continually failing them and falling behind with his studies. Another recruit who was not a Maori had slightly better exam results and was in a similar position. Unlike the Maori guy he was really trying to catch up and spent weekends studying. Unfortunately he was eventually dumped from the wing.
        
        The Maori stayed and it was obvious he only graduated because of his race.
        
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        September 2, 2016 12:52pm
  - Kimbo
    
    It always brings a smile to my face how they invent Maori words to describe modern technology.
    
    Maori is rooted in the stone age with no historical written tradition nor grammatical flexibility to adapt.
    
    The one that made me snort my coffee even more than normal when I heard some PC wanker imploring his listeners of the Maori word for “smartphone”
    
    Yeah, coz it’s not like English doesn’t import words from other languages like…taboo (tapu) or tattoo (tatau) is it?!
    
    I seem to recall a few weeks ago SGA and I did a quick run through of the Hindi words that came into English courtesy of the Raj. Just off the top of my head:
    
    indigo
    bungalow
    juggernaut
    jodhpurs
    pyjamas
    
    more here:
    
    khaki
    shampoo
    thug
    veranda
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Hindi_or_Urdu_origin
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:57am
    - Kimbo
      
      correction – indigo was originally Greek. But then does anyone want to know how many Greek words were imported into English? Practically everything we use for biology (except bones) and nearly every other science.
      
      In summary: EAD, you are an idiot.
      
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      September 2, 2016 10:04am
      - kowtow
        
        Idiot , imported from the Gaelic , ” Eejit”.
        
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        September 2, 2016 10:25am
    - kowtow
      
      Tank, nullah, shroff, wallah, verandah.
      
      I think more to the point though is now it is a top down , forced policy as opposed to simple adoption through usage.
      Mind you a lot of leftists should oppose this “indigenisation” ,as when honkey dresses up as a Red Injin she is guilty of “cultutral appropriation” but when the savage adopts whitey’s ways , it ain’t a problem?
      
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      September 2, 2016 10:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s an English-Maori science dictionary, in case you want to flex your Te Reo.
    http://putaiao.tki.org.nz/Papakupu-Putaiao/Nga-Kupu-Ingarihi
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:34am
    - Jack5
      
      Japanese, English, Russian, and many other thriving languages adopt heaps of words from other languages.
      
      If you have teams of people making up words for everything needed you eventually end up with something approaching an artificial language, like Klingon.
      
      Some Maori inventions seem needless. For example, for Aurora australis.
      
      In English we borrow from the Latin and typically just call the phenomenon “the aurora”, as everyone knows from the context it’s the southern aurora. An older name, southern lights, never really caught on.
      
      In Maori, for Aurora australis, we have from the dictionary in Maggy’s link: “Tahu-nui-a-rangi”, which means something like great sky fire. The translators could just have used “Rakiura”, the Maori name for Stewart Island and which is said to mean glowing skies. However, it would have been more rational still just to borrow “aurora” direct from Latin.
      
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      September 2, 2016 2:07pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    All living languages invent, borrow and adapt words as necessary. Chinese for ‘credit card’ is ‘xinyong ka’, the first word being original Chinese for ‘credit’ but the second is obviously a transliteration. Chinese for computer is ‘diannao’, literally ‘electric brain’.
    
    Whether or not Maori continues as a living language (I’m sceptical) depends on people’s willingness to use it for everyday purposes and that requires, among other things, continually extending its modern vocabulary.
    
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    September 2, 2016 2:01pm
All_on_Red

Mexico’s President Nieto said he had a nice meeting with Donald Trump. He also said that one day he hopes he can afford to meet with Hillary.
Kidding aside, impressive that Trump did a rally in the morning, went to Mexico, had the meeting, flew back and did a major speech at another rally. Hillary doesn’t have the stamina for that. I see she is being poked as people say Trump has had more press conferences in Mexico this year than Hillary in the US! Not sure her strategy of hiding is working so well. Trump is seizing all the iinitiative.
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September 2, 2016 8:15am
- Manolo
  
  Mrs Clinton will hide all the way to Election Day. She knows she can count on a complicit MSM prepared to shield her.
  
  A press conference will be the last thing she wants to face. Expect total silence from her.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:21am
- Paulus
  
  What is Hillary afraid of by not doing unscripted appearances ?
  A number of assumptions have been raised.
  All she can do is scream at Trump not raise and valid election points.
  Negative, negative will do her and Angry Andy no good.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:27am
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    She’s afraid she’ll munt out on stage, the old girl isn’t well, I suspect she’ll sleep her way to the election.
    
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    September 2, 2016 8:51am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Wed , said like a Trump true believer . Hillary is not deluded .Why should she visit Mexico as she doesn’t propose to build a 1900 mile ten feet taller wall nor try and make Mexico pay for it ?
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:56am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Border crime for a start, Nieto is also concerned about it, but thank goodness you are here. ‘Honeypots’ in cafes all over Auckland will breathe a sigh of relief.
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed , you now admit that Trump did not get Mexico to pay for the wall nor got the President Enrique Peña Nieto’s undertaking to do so ? That the President happens to be Mexico’s most unpopular President since polls were taken and the visit was roundly condemned by most Mexicans ?
      
      Nor will the Trump and his disciples’ racist jibes and attacks on Mexican-Americans or Mexicans stop ?
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/31/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-president-pena-nieto-immigration
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:19am
      - All_on_Red
        
        He didn’t ask him to pay for it. You should watch the press conference. Might learn something.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:37am
- Ed Snack
  
  Like that one, best Hillary joke of the month so far. Be a lot funnier if it wasn’t so true…
  
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  September 2, 2016 12:27pm
billmurray

Anybody know if the tax debt that Matt McCarten had with IRD some years ago has been paid back yet?.
Appreciate any information, thank-you.
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September 2, 2016 8:21am
- Hajji
  
  There should be a judicial enquiry into Mmmmmat MmmmaCccccartttens tax arrangements.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:28am
- stigie
  
  “Appreciate any information, thank-you.”
  
  Been paid back says Liarbore and the unions !~
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:29am
- holysheet
  
  don’t forget the drunken dwarfs 150K he also stole from the taxpayer.
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:31am
- mikenmild
  
  I should have thought that had been resolved some time ago. IRD is not known for its patience in recovering monies owed.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:11am
- calendar girl
  
  The same sort of question needs to be asked about the c. $1.5m that Sir Ngatata Love has been convicted of misappropriating from his Maori Trust, via a deal that granted property development rights to a company in exchange for a lucrative consultancy in favour of his partner’s company. Will that money ever be recovered from the ‘Knight’ and his partner, the former now said to be ill and the partner excused earlier from trial because of her own illness?
  
  I see that the judge is considering home detention for the convicted Love, probably the right course for a now 78-year-old. But maybe that could be made more realistic by repayment of the c. $1.5m from sale of the waterfront mansion at Plimmerton that the crime is said to have financed.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:21am
  - mikenmild
    
    It might be a little tricky. I think the money came from the company that ‘won’ the contract. I suppose it could be argued the trust lost money if it could be shown that the developers made artificially high profits from the building at the expense of the trust.
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:29am
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      Sorry, mm – I pressed the ‘Report’ button in error (not the down-tick!).
      
      The Court case has already found that the Trust lost money through deception. The money went to Love’s partner’s company, and from there to pay off the mortgage on a luxury Plimmerton lakefront property. All that’s needed is for the Love-birds to sell that property and pay back the ill-gotten gains.
      
      If Love and partner are not prepared to do that, now, then a prison term for Love should become automatic. This was theft for personal enrichment on a substantial scale.
      
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      September 2, 2016 10:55am
  - starboard
    
    Take Loves knighthood off him, he’s a criminal.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:45am
- The Virgin
  
  See my comment further down Bill
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:24am
Huevon

Brasil inaugurated its new president yesterday after removing corrupt leftist Dilma Rousseff. Check out the new first lady!

http://www.latercera.com/noticia/mundo/2016/09/678-694905-9-marcela-temer-reina-de-belleza-y-doctora-en-derecho-el-perfil-de-la-nueva.shtml

With Melania in the White House, we’re in for a bright future of grace and femininity. What a pleasant change from the Sisterhood years.
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September 2, 2016 8:28am
- mikenmild
  
  ‘Corrupt leftist’ replaced by even more corrupt rightists?
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Pity you had to say “even more” there mikenmild. If you’d stuck with just plain corrupt I might have even contributed an upvote as that’s pretty truthful…they’re all politicians after all.
    
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    September 2, 2016 12:30pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not so sure about that Ed. When the impeachment thing first came up there were plenty of articles about some of the deeply unpleasant things a number of legislators came up with.
      One of them dedicated his vote to one of the most notorious torturers under the old military regimes. Rousseff, of course, was one of the victims of that torture.
      It seems that Rousseff is in fact guilty of what is alleged. Illegally transferring money from state enterprises to fund other agencies. As far a Brazilian corruption goes, that’s pretty small beer.
      However, the takeaway for Kiwibloggers will probably be ‘leftist’ president impeached – yay!
      
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      September 2, 2016 12:50pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mikenmild, I agree that they’re all corrupt to greater or lesser degrees; only it seems to be a purely political judgement over who is the more corrupt. If you’re a leftist then the replacement is, a rightist then Rousseff is….
        
        The Charge that Rousseff was indicted on , well , small beer maybe, but the whole process is quite legitimate and in accord with the constitution as it exists.
        
        A sort of bitter irony that Maduro protests about it being a coup…
        
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        September 2, 2016 3:09pm
      - calendar girl
        
        “It seems that Rousseff is in fact guilty of what is alleged.”
        
        So why would you even try to ameliorate the criticism of her? Especially after your undocumented, generalised, round-house smear of her political opponents (“… replaced by even more corrupt rightists”)
        
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        September 2, 2016 10:17pm
- DJP6-25
  
  Wow, a First Lady who doesn’t look her dog just got run over by an SUV driven by Donald Trump. What a refreshing change.
  
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  September 2, 2016 12:04pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I think all voters should consider the attractiveness of a candidate’s spouse before casting a vote.
    
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    September 2, 2016 12:51pm
- SPC
  
  Like Trump a wife half his age.
  
  Not a first wife of course. Presumably not married in a church.
  
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  September 2, 2016 3:53pm
Manolo

The treatment of women by some devout followers of the religion of peace:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/islamic-state-torture-cells-found-in-syria/ar-AAinef1?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Rebel Syrian fighters have reportedly uncovered a prison used by Islamic State militants to torture women.

Ibrahim Al-Mohammed told the agency: “We discovered an Islamic State group prison for women, with rooms for groups as well as solitary prisoners.

Military council group leader Omar Mazerli said: “We found various kinds of pills, including sexual stimulation, contraceptives and narcotic pills which were used by the Islamic State group for torture.
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September 2, 2016 8:30am
EAD

Here is Trumps speech yesterday on immigration.

At 52 mins in Trump explains he’s going to establish a commission to ”preserve population norms”. That seems to me like he’s resisting white dispossession

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3149&v=wGWZUce9syE

Mexico has laws which explicitly state that immigration must not disrupt the ethnic makeup of the country (i.e. the same as the rest of the World except all White European countries), as did America until 1965 until it got changed by intensive lobbying by certain elements.

It should be the most reasonable and natural thing in the world if it weren’t for the neo Marxist nut house we live in.
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September 2, 2016 8:48am
- mikenmild
  
  Trump is definitely the candidate of choice for those concerned about the future of the white race. Unfortunately, for Trump, there are not sufficient numbers of white supremacist nutcases to sway the election.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:15am
- SPC
  
  Well Drumpf’s father was arrested at a NW European rally in New York back in the 1920’s calling for immigration curbs on people from South and East Europe to maintain the NW majority within the white race majority. Sort of funny given his current wife from Slovenia sort of embodies SE European.
  
  Just as sad as the Christians who oppose divorce and abortion voting for someone on their third marriage and who cares nothing for their pro life policy. Just showing that race and identity trumps their values.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:41pm
dime

September 26 is the first debate.

That should be hilarious. Can you image what the filthy clintons are getting up to behind the scenes.

how is this frail, sick old woman going to go against a weapon like Trump?

Maybe they will go for the sad, pathetic loser sympathy card afterwards?

“he was mean to her because shes a woman”.

imagine how shrill and offputting she is going to sound.

with a bit of luck she falls over mid debate.

then we get to have lefties tell us that she didnt fall over, its a conspiracy!
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September 2, 2016 8:48am
- mikenmild
  
  Because she did so poorly in the primary debates?
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:13am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The competition was a geriatric commie. Even I would have been upset if she had done badly against that.
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:22am
    - mikenmild
      
      Perhaps the debates will provide such treats as this, Trump explaining the contradiction between his account of the meeting in Mexico and the account from Pena Nieto:
      
      No, no, I didn’t say—I didn’t say that. No, no, I just saw it on television. Actually, I said, no, we did discuss the wall. And I actually said that and, you know, I guess it was a question that was asked. I said—they said, did you discuss the wall. I said we did discuss the wall. So the wall was basically discussed.
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:27am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Actually if he’s smart (and I question that with Trump and his campaign); all he has to do is to repeat the joke above. “Yes, we discussed it and he’d like to discuss it with you too but he can’t afford the Clinton Foundation donation to get an appointment”
        
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        September 2, 2016 12:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Rich Prick ,and how old is Trump the geriatric fascist ?
      
      70 ?
      
      Hillary 68 ?
      
      mm, Trump is so full of flip flops that the Primary debates are likely to be a circus .
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:46am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Its all relative dear boy, Sanders is 124. That, or he spent 30 years in the womb.
        
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        September 2, 2016 9:55am
      - Ed Snack
        
        As Hillary was named after Sir Ed (or so she alleges), she can’t be more than 62-63 or so, a near spring chicken surely.
        
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        September 2, 2016 12:33pm
  - dime
    
    yeah she was garbage. slayed by an old communist who lived in him mothers basement til he was 40. a guy who honeymooned in the soviet union. that was her competition and he made it a fight lol
    
    also, bernie played very nice. too nice.
    
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    September 2, 2016 9:29am
- Komata
  
  Dime, you DO realise, of course, that there is a very distinct possibility that she will do a ‘no show’ and that it will all be Mr. Trump’s fault should that occur. In respect of her ‘stability’ (both physical and mental) there would indeed seem to be a distinct possibility of a ‘melt-down’ on stage as (if the ‘experts’ are to be believed) her ‘condition’ is one which reacts very badly to multiple questions and strobe-type lights. This could possibly explain her very noticeable absence over the last few days and the complete lack of press conferences for the past 280 + days. With that in mind (and because it would be their worst nightmare), no doubt her ‘handlers’ are trying to cover all and any possibilities that could conceivably occur, to ensure that she both makes it through the session and doesn’t say something compromising. No doubt ‘dirty tricks’ will also be being considered. Of course, no one has told ‘The Donald’ that she should be ‘handled with kid gloves’ so the debate could be more interesting than usual. No doubt the ‘Clinton Media’ have already been briefed in respect of their roles, and, should she ‘fail’ the headlines denigrating Mr Trump have already been prepared,. Scripts must be followed and ideologies persued. No deviation is permitted.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:09am
  - mikenmild
    
    This seems highly unlikely, as Clinton has participated in many debates before.
    I think the debates will be well worth watching, but if you are expecting her to collapse or something, I fear you will be disappointed.
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:14am
- RF
  
  For those that still believe that Clinton is the full quid I suggest that you log into You Tube. Some of those shots of her rolling her eyes with mouth wide open and nodding her head like deranged person and talking crap, scare the bejesus out of me.
  
  The silly old cow is currently hiding from Trump as she is scared. She will also be counting her money.
  
  I am looking forward to the debates to see her crack up.
  
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  September 2, 2016 1:51pm
Happychappy

I wonder if MSM would find it funny if we started a campaign for the tax department to do audit on TV Stations, Newspapers, TV Hosts and Journalists and i would think you would find they would create a outrage. The reason i say this is because they scream about privacy but never worry about it when they decide to go after the wealthy or business they think and push their own agenda but criticise when others push their story.I personally think some worms would crawl out of the woodwork if the tax department put them on notice and Journalists that lack ethics would be put on notice to improve their skills
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September 2, 2016 8:58am
- DJP6-25
  
  You start the petition, and I’ll sign it.
  
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  September 2, 2016 12:08pm
RF

MSM here in NZ are very selective concerning their reporting or else it’s police censorship at its worse.

The armed special person that has just been arrested up north had stolen a police car at gun point after the unarmed cops ran off.

Apart from the first day when it happened there has been no mention of the Police car being taken at gun point and they only referred to several cars being stolen.

The more I think about it and hearing about our Police involved in other blatant cover ups I have this sinking feeling that Joe public is being lied to by those that protect us.
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September 2, 2016 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  “protect us” ? Are you kidding? That’s certainly their job , but they’ve bought into the treaty industry and every other industry going , including “equality” which is another lie. Equal pay but unequal entry and fitness requirements is not equality , it’s social engineering. Their “priorities” are so skewed that they’ve had to make a promise to visit every burglary , why haven’t they been doing that already. They’ve lost the plot . Crime is up . They have special posts for Maori liaison , for alcohol harm reduction , they wear lovely caring ribbons on their lapels but they sure as hell aren’t doing what their paid to do if they aren’t attending every reported fucking burglary.
  Happening all over the west.
  Donncha just love “progressive” policies.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:19am
  - Jack5
    
    That’s a good point Kowtow. As a country we have loaded heaps of PC bullshit on to the police, with the MSM whacking it at every opportunity for society problems.
    
    Maybe we need two police forces: one armed and enforcing the law; the second unarmed and the tool of feminists, multiculturists, and every other …ist.
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:00am
- AgentBallSack
  
  RF ~
  (Google) Lauda Finem
  Go to the heading Corruption in New Zealand.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:54am
Steve (North Shore)

What was John Key doing at 4.38am this morning?
Is he responsible for the mass panic?
Update – the warning has been lifted, all you silly sheep can now get your arses to work
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September 2, 2016 9:11am
- Ed Snack
  
  Maybe like a lot of us, shaking in his bed ?
  
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  September 2, 2016 12:41pm
kowtow

Ah summer time . Sunshine, the outdoors , a beer or two , a barbeque with the family , with the family ……not barbeque the family .

“A Syrian refugee in Germany who tried to kill his wife by setting her on fire using barbecue lighter fluid ended up dying in the flames. ”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769330/Syrian-refugee-Germany-dies-flames-engulf-trying-set-fire-wife-using-barbecue-lighter-fluid.html
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September 2, 2016 9:13am
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps Allah gets a bit grumpy with all the misogyny now and then. Memo to self: don’t set the missus on fire this week.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:32am
Hajji

Good morning stephieboy and assorted followers of Karl Marx’s failed religion of economics.
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September 2, 2016 9:20am
- Jack5
  
  Good morning to you Haiji, and to the Stephie team, and all fellow Kiwibloggerites.
  
  Regarding your post: What about China, still run as a one-party state by the Chinese Communist Party? Owns and runs everything from the land, the banks, to the core industry – steel.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:45am
  - dime
    
    china isnt communist. hasnt been for decades.
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:30am
    - mikenmild
      
      They still pretend to be communist. A bit like the National Party pretending to favour free enterprise.
      
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      September 2, 2016 12:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      Dime, you are plain wrong.
      
      The name of the country is the People’s Republic of China. The CIA World Factbook classifies the political system as “communist state”.
      
      China has moved to a more market-oriented economy, but is still communist. This is from the CIA World Factbook:
      
      In recent years, China has renewed its support for state-owned enterprises in sectors considered important to “economic security,” explicitly looking to foster globally competitive industries…
      
      There is one political party, the Communist Party of China, plus a few powerless minor parties that this party controls. Last November, the Government unveiled its fifteenth five-year plan. (Do capitalist countries have five-year plans?). The State owns all land. The state owns nearly all of the key industry – steel – and shuts out foreign investment in it.
      
      According to Wikipedia, the Communist Party of China continues to participate in the International Meeting of Communist and Workers’ Parties each year.
      
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      September 2, 2016 2:39pm
The Virgin

billmurray
Anybody know if the tax debt that Matt McCarten had with IRD some years ago has been paid back yet?.
Appreciate any information, thank-you.

OK, you will see on the final liquidators report that ‘No Funds Were Recovered For the benefit of Creditors’ (dated 17 June 2011)

https://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/424A2139C091556AFB779B40F5BC3BDF

Insolvency was completed as of 29 May 2013

http://www.insolvency.govt.nz/oasis3-web/oasis3/page/-oasis/domain/communications/SearchInsolvencyRegister.wdk

I am picking that as it was a Court Liquidation, and in line with the Official Liquidators Report he paid back sweet fuck all. Certainly he should be asked to provide evidance that the $150K was paid back if it is disputed. Given he was sole shareholder and director with no assets I am guessingIRD wrote it off.

https://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/6468499620097808D622E037202D5BC2
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September 2, 2016 9:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  @ The Virgin – that was the record in respect of Unite Support Services Limited, a limited liability company of which McCarten was the sole owner, shareholder and director.
  
  The tax debt for Unite Union was a completely separate issue.
  
  The Council of Trade Unions wants an explanation from Unite on why it failed to pay the IRD more than $36,000 in PAYE on behalf of its employees.
  
  Unite, one of New Zealand’s largest unions, owed IRD over $130,000 for the year ended March 2009 (its most recent filing), including more than $57,000 in unpaid GST. For the same financial year its liabilities outweighed its assets by more than $170,000.
  
  Unite head Matt McCarten confirmed yesterday that the union owed money to the IRD but said he had made choices to pay for union campaigns rather than clear the debt. “I don’t shy away from these decisions, I make the calls.”
  
  He said Unite paid $8000 in PAYE each month to the IRD but kept incurring late payment penalties. He claimed not to know exactly how much it owed the IRD.
  
  He agreed it was not a good look for a workers’ union to fail to pay its employees’ tax.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4418030/Union-asked-to-explain-36k-debt
  
  No Matt, it wasn’t a good look then, and it’s still not a good look. It’s also a criminal offence, with the potential to attract a significant term of imprisonment; up to five years:
  
  http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/04/a-little-elephant-in-the-room-part-3/#more-245272
  
  Yet McCarten continues to enjoy the confidence of his fellow union hack, Andrew Little, even if he has been shifted sideways. Employing a man who admits to having been a tax cheat is bad enough. But employing a man who played fast and loose with money he had deducted from his staff is an extremely “bad look” for a political party which purports to represents workers.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:00am
  - starboard
    
    “I don’t shy away from these decisions, I make the calls.”
    
    Righto, you made the call to defraud..off to prison with you then criminal. That’s right, its ok when the left do it…as you were.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:51am
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    Keeping Stock, thanks for the info, the matter is still murky, anyway thanks again
    
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    September 2, 2016 4:59pm
- billmurray
  
  The Virgin, thanks for the info, your info seems to be at odds with others on other sites whom state that he is paying off at $8000 per month or the matter is still outstanding against him!, anyway thanks again
  
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  September 2, 2016 4:54pm
Inandout

How the poison of extreme Islam can gradually take over a once peaceful group of islands. A Mr Gaydoom (oh the irony in that name) is now a behind the scenes Saudi influenced Muslim radical, bringing Sharia to the streets outside of tourist areas.

‘Influx of preachers
Predominantly Buddhist for hundreds of years, the Maldives converted to Islam in the 12th century. A relatively relaxed version of the religion was practised under Gayoom until 2004, when an influx of preachers, funded mainly by Saudi Arabia, arrived after the tsunami. It had caused widespread damage and killed some 100 people.
“It was a turning point in the radicalisation process,” says Naseem. “Local Islamists were very clever in their use of the tragedy to convince Maldivians that the tsunami was punishment from Allah for not practising the ‘right’ Islam – which is the ‘purist’ Islam that Salafis and other fundamentalists want all Muslims to turn to.

“Bikinis, alcohol sales and consumption, unmarried and homosexual sex are all permitted in tourist resorts,” says Velezinee, “but they are all crimes outside resorts.”
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September 2, 2016 9:21am
- Kimbo
  
  You failed to link. It seems you are quoting from a 2014 article.
  
  http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/tourists-blissfully-unaware-of-islamist-tide-in-maldives-1.1898425
  
  Locals have always been allowed to visit resorts but are not allowed to consume alcohol or pork like the tourists. Homosexuality has always been illegal. And women have always been forbidden by law from marrying non-Muslims. Converts from Islam face jail. And yes, some have been radicalised recently to the extent of joining ISIS.
  
  But Maldives is an interesting one as its Islam was very localised and developed in isolation to other Muslims. For example, until recently you could essentially divorce your wife on the spot in what was a form of legalised adultery something like what Jesus was criticising in religiously legalistic 1st Century Judaism in Matthew 19: 9:
  
  I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife (Kimbo explication: with the intent of marrying another!) , except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
  
  Back to Maldives – the former President Gayoom was brilliant, with many of the political instincts of, say, John Key. A model of a secularised modernising Muslim leader who had to be careful he did not go too far so he became isolated from his support-base. But he clamped down and banned the hijab. It was a common rumour in the Maldives, for example, that he was a closet-Christian hence his attempts to reform and dilute the local religion and culture, which functions in much the same way as Christianity in the Pacific islands.
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:46am
  - Inandout
    
    I was referring to that Irish article, but it also says that Gayoom still was the power behind the scenes. And the Maldivians still face a bleak lifestyle.
    
    ‘In April, following a 60-year moratorium, the Muslim country’s government reactivated the death penalty. Facilities are being built at a prison on Maafushi Island to have murder convicts executed by lethal injection. The age of criminal responsibility in the Maldives is 10, but children as young as seven – who may be found guilty of certain crimes under Islamic sharia – could now potentially face a death sentence.
    Executions of convicted minors would take place once they turned 18. The government has defended the measure in the face of international criticism, citing the state’s overcrowded prisons and rising violence between drug gangs’.
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:50am
    - Kimbo
      
      Sorry, you talking Maldives…or Texas?
      
      Their country, their laws. And as many young Maldivians are being targeted, and some are being groomed and recruited by ISIS, they need tough laws and penalties to deal with it.
      
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      September 2, 2016 10:57am
    - Kimbo
      
      And the Maldivians still face a bleak lifestyle.
      
      Um, in the main it is a “lifestyle” the locals choose….and scare-mongering aside it is not bleak – just what in the Pacific Islands is called “the traditional way of life”.
      
      Maldivians are free to travel and do. Their kids regularly study and gain tertiary degrees overseas. They are not ruled from above like the Taliban. More, like many localised traditional people groups, they are juggling modernity with a natural inclination for conservatism. Nonetheless, some going off the deep end and linking up with ISIS is a problem…
      
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      September 2, 2016 11:06am
  - Kimbo
    
    Divorce, Maldives-style, and an interesting sociological and human behaviour study of how supposed religious fundamentalists (of all persuasions!) manage to circumvent the intent of sharia/torah/”Christian heritage and values”:
    
    http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/in-the-maldives-everyones-divorced/news-story/651310f7ddb9f7ae4d6d60687eb2be3b
    
    In the Maldives, everyone’s divorced
    
    March 23, 201612:02pm
    
    It looks like an island paradise, but broken hearts abound in the Maldives.
    
    THEY call it the “sunny side of life”, but if the figures are anything to go by, this island paradise is more like the bitter side of life.
    
    While the Maldives, a set of 1200 islands nestled within the Indian Ocean, is set along a background of beaches, blue lagoons, and tropical bliss, it holds a Guiness World Record that might come as a surprise.
    
    While the islands are a sought-after attraction for the perfectly picturesque wedding, its locals haven’t quite mastered the art of monogamy, and so it’s earned the trophy for the highest divorce rate in the world.
    
    In fact, the UN says the average 30-year-old Maldivian woman has been divorced — wait for it — THREE times. That’s 11 divorces per 1000 people. Every. Single. Year.
    
    The rate is twice as high as second placed Belarus. The United States, sitting pretty in third place, are less than half of the Maldives’ numbers with approximately four divorces per thousand.
    
    And if you thought those figures were depressing enough, the reason why takes the cake (and not the wedding variety).
    
    The Maldives is a Muslim country and runs under Sharia’ah Law, so premarital sex is severely frowned upon. So by the time kids turn 18, they’re simply just incredibly “horny”, Anthony Marcus, chair of the anthropology department at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, told Ozy.com.
    
    So the easy — and respectable — way to get laid is to simply just get married. According to Mr Marcus, weddings aren’t such a big deal in the Maldives. Ten bucks will get you a judge, a marriage certificate, and a license to get freaky in the sheets.
    
    Then again, the honeymoon doesn’t always last — and so the country finds itself spinning around a wheel of broken hearts — and eventually, broken marriages.
    
    And if you couldn’t tell — getting a divorce in the country is relatively easy; if you’re a guy, especially so.
    
    A Maldivian man simply needs to state he is getting a divorce out loud and in front of a witness. No messy paperwork here. Yet a woman can only seek divorce through the courts — and if a judge agrees the grounds are justified.
    
    The good news among all this marriage mess? The U.N. and the Maldivian government are now offering counselling to those who care to give the relationship a red hot crack. Results though, are yet to be seen.
    
    But hey, if it doesn’t work out, at least there’s plenty of fish in the sea, right?
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:56am
  - Kimbo
    
    Sorry, my apologies – Gayoom banned the burqa in Maldives. The hijab is standard, but not compulsory, although some/many families and especially fathers and husbands do expect/pressure their daughters and wives to wear it in line with traditional customs of dress and relationships between the sexes
    
    President Gayoom, who had risen to office on his Muslim credentials – and thereafter declared himself as the Supreme Authority on Islamic Affairs – had by then begun to regulate religion through the state, whereby Islamic issues could only be discussed by an authorised few who followed, and subsequently preached, his prescribed form of Islam. As such, Islam, despite its many variations, was essentially fed to the people of the Maldives as hegemonic. The president’s oft-repeated slogan became a reference to how “homogenous” the Maldives was.
    
    The newly-arrived scholars had brought with them a diversity of ideologies from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Kuwait, Libya and Egypt, and to each, his version of Islam represented the absolute truth. Furtive dissent to Gayoom’s form of Islam slowly emerged and grew. By the 1990s, women were beginning to wear the full burqa. The president reacted by officially banning the covering of the face – purportedly in the name of security
    
    http://old.himalmag.com/component/content/article/1325-gayooms-abuse-of-faith.html
    
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    September 2, 2016 2:21pm
Hajji

I admire the Maldives for banning Grant Robertson and Mrs Alf.
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September 2, 2016 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  When?
  
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  September 2, 2016 9:38am
Keeping Stock

Did the earth move for you this morning? It certainly was a decent shake over here in Whanganui, and our visitor from Christchurch was somewhat unimpressed!

Civil Defence can’t win in a situation like this. If they are conservative with their warnings and things turn badly, they would get pilloried for it. Likewise, they get criticised for alerting people to a “possible” scenario which doesn’t eventuate, leading to allegations of scaremongering.

And if you want to know why they warn people away from waterways as well as the coast, check out this video. If you don’t want to watch the whole 25 minutes, go through to about 8 min when you see the bridge across the river, the camera pans away, there is a creaking noise and some shouts from onlookers, and the camera pans back to where the bridge used to be; it’s pretty sobering…

https://youtu.be/P8qFi74k2UE
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September 2, 2016 9:34am
- Griff
  
  Yes KS I have been out on the water when one hit here . A Tsunami is a lot more powerful than people think even if the wave it’s self is only a few centimeters high.
  Here is the Avon river getting hit by about a 20 cm wave.
  You do not want to be in a small boat or standing to close to the edge .
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zG_ARyrEKM
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:37am
  - starboard
    
    Were you stoned Griff? What was that like ?
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:55am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Interesting, not really a problem at 20 cms, looks worse in that video because it is across mudflats; and even in shallow water there’s no trouble riding over a small one, I’ve also done that.
    
    The real problems come because it’s not a wave really but a surge, like a medium term lift in sea level for several minutes at least. A large wave hitting the shore dissipates pretty quickly but a Tsunami surge just keeps on going.
    
    there are lots of very graphic videos on the Japanese one especially, and quite a few on the Indian Ocean Boxing day one as well. But the Japanese ones, surges at 10-15 metres, whole houses just being ripped from their foundations and carried inland disintegrating as the go. Horrendous to watch. In some you can see people running, not all of whom escape.
    
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    September 2, 2016 12:52pm
Jack5

An interesting graphic on South Pacific quakes, including today’s shaker.

http://earthquaketrack.com/r/south-pacific-ocean/recent
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September 2, 2016 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  This is the Earthquake God’s reaction to Maurice Williamson going to Hollywood. The coincidence is just too much.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:53am
B.L.Zeebub

So now Devoy`s Human Rights Commission ,like the BSA,is reduced to fishing for complaints in an effort to justify its existence ,

http://www.thatsus.co.nz/
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September 2, 2016 10:02am
- Rich Prick
  
  “That’s Us is our first nationwide, anti-racism campaign that asks Kiwis to start sharing their own stories about racism, intolerance and hatred.”
  
  OK, I’ll start with two burglaries, one threatening assault and one tagging episode. Oh, I see, it’s a one way street.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:17am
  - EAD
    
    In Key & Devoys’s new New Zealand, you should be aware that 111 is for important matters such as online hate crime, not for wasting police time over complaints of murder, rape or assault.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:02am
  - graham
    
    Rich Prick, sadly you appear to be correct when you say it’s a one way street. I assume you also read this on the front page:
    
    “We’ve always had a problem with racism in New Zealand – ask any Maori New Zealander.“
    
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    September 2, 2016 12:48pm
- Manolo
  
  Devoy is a lightweight, a political appointee of little or no importance.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:20am
  - Paulus
    
    I understood that Dame Susan took the job as nobody else wanted it.
    There was some difficulty finding anybody to take it, and the officials look wide within their own public servant and left wing friend circles.
    It is a mugs job.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:12am
- kowtow
  
  I’m genuinely appalled at that piece by Devoid. In itself it is racist , using a fine democracy like Australia as an example of racism , by golly that’s enough to cause a diplomatic incident. But she’s right about the overt racism there. The Abos are destructive rioters and the Muslim Lebs are learing louts and they’re allowed to get away with it.
  She talks about regime murder of children and yet we have a cynical , unlawful in its operation ,institutionalised mass baby destruction through the taxpayer funded health system.
  Why Ngati Notional doesn’t save a few mil and close this quango down I don’t know.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:23am
- Kimbo
  
  So now Devoy`s Human Rights Commission ,like the BSA,is reduced to fishing for complaints in an effort to justify its existence
  
  Agree. No matter what misinformed thinking caused its establishment some 40 or so years ago, the Race Relations/Human Rights Commission has long-since outlived its comparative usefulness and there are other more effective ways to combat racism if and where it exists. Far too much jaw-boning and our race relations would benefit hugely IMHO if those in government adopted a policy of “benign neglect” towards them.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Ah yes – civil servants trying to create a justification for their existence.
    
    The advertisement is almost an incitement to racism.
    
    It also contains this description of New Zealand:
    
    … one of the most ethnically diverse nations…
    
    According to Wikipedia, using the Fearon list, New Zealand ranks 102nd among the most ethnically diverse countries.
    
    Not only is the Human Rights Commission a tax-bludging outfit promoting the neo-Marxist ideology of multiculturism, but it is inept in trying to make its Utopian world match facts.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
    
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    September 2, 2016 10:47am
    - Jack5
      
      In inviting people to report on fellow Kiwis they see as racist, the Human Rights Commission should be open and honest about the reports it receives.
      
      What if … New Zealanders reported their feelings of discrimination about not having race-based seats for their particular race; what if … people complain about the crusade for race-based local body government; what if … Aucklanders reported about feelings of being outsiders at housing auctions; what if … a former, say, police woman complained about the career destroyed for an off-duty, drunken, racist remark; what if … people piled in with the vast ethnic change occurring in NZ without discussion or political debate or a chance to vote on it.
      
      This “report on fellow Kiwis” campaign isn’t too dissimilar to campaigns the Stasi might have run in East Germany, the Nazis in Germany, or Stalinists in Russia.
      
      The Human Rorts Commission might have started something that will surprise it.
      
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      September 2, 2016 11:03am
- Huevon
  
  I’m pleased that the HRC is finally investigating our legal system that grants parliamentary seats and numerous other legal privileges based on one’s skin colour.
  
  What? No. Ah, ok then.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:44am
EAD

Israeli think tank: Don’t destroy ISIS; it’s a “useful tool” against Iran, Hezbollah, Syria

https://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/israeli-think-tank-dont-destroy-isis-its-a-useful-tool-against-iran-hezbollah-syria/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

According to a think tank that does contract work for NATO and the Israeli government, the West should not destroy ISIS, the fascist Islamist extremist group that is committing genocide and ethnically cleansing minority groups in Syria and Iraq.

Why? The so-called Islamic State “can be a useful tool in undermining” Iran, Hezbollah, Syria and Russia, argues the think tank’s director.

“The continuing existence of IS serves a strategic purpose,” wrote Efraim Inbar in “The Destruction of Islamic State Is a Strategic Mistake,” a paper published on Aug. 2.

Inbar, an influential Israeli scholar, is the director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, a think tank that says its mission is to advance “a realist, conservative, and Zionist agenda in the search for security and peace for Israel.”

This prominent and influential Jewish strategist is quite happy for attacks to continue on Western Soil and that the genocide of Christians, Yazidi’s and non Sunni Muslims is a price he’s prepared to pay.

At least he is consistent with the Jewish State who have been providing support for ISIS soldiers (even the MSM had to release the below heavily censored version after all of the “far-right”, “extremist”, “conspiracy” websites had been pointing out Israels duplicity including funding of ISIS)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html

“none are so blind as those who will not see”
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September 2, 2016 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , Efraim Inbar is an Isreali scholar who runs a think tank who has certain views albeit strange ones. .Views that do not reflect or inform Isreal government policy .
  
  Israel has not aided or abetted ISIS in any shape or form . That video was taken in the fog of war and it is not clear that those fighters were actually ISIS or al Nursa .
  
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  September 2, 2016 11:08am
- mandk
  
  Typical EAD
  
  You take an interesting story about a particular and peculiar Israeli point of view, and then you turn it into an anti-Jewish piece.
  
  Long live Israel! And peace be to all her citizens: Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists and many others.
  
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  September 2, 2016 11:51am
- SPC
  
  Inbar is an embarrassment to Israel, openly declaring his governments ME policy – to enjoy (rather than get caught facilitating) the division between Islamists and leftist secularists.
  
  Which is why the right wing GOP connected Zionists backed the PNAC programme to regime change in Iraq. And then there is the local Hamas PLO/Fatah division which undermines Palestinian unity.
  
  It’s a hard-line security first policy, it is not based on what is good for the wider region.
  
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  September 2, 2016 7:52pm
Manolo

The seller of smoke has been talking to our own Griff:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/01/pope-francis-calls-on-christians-to-embrace-green-agenda

In a message to mark the Catholic church’s World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation that he launched last year, Francis said the worst impact of global warming was being felt by those who were least responsible for it – refugees and the poor.
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September 2, 2016 10:32am
- Huevon
  
  I’m a regular mass going Catholic, but it’s hard to distinguish what comes out of the Vatican these days from Amnesty International or Greenpeace. Worst of all, Francis has reduced the papacy to a shallow pop culture figure dispensing platitudes and bromides, like the Dalai Lama.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    Huevon, the Vatican not sufficiently war like for you or doesn’t support coal fired power stations ?
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:14am
    - Huevon
      
      Yes, Stef. You have it exactly. Your insight and intelligence seemed to be increased after your Friday prayers. All that banging your head on the floor works wonders.
      
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      September 2, 2016 11:28am
  - mandk
    
    I’ve heard a number of Catholics and ex-Catholics saying similar things about Francis.
    
    Jesuits used to be regarded as staunch upholders of the faith, but Francis seems to be on the verge of apostasy.
    
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    September 2, 2016 11:57am
    - Kimbo
      
      Personally, I’d date that “apostasy” as a gradual incremental process approximately sometime between the papal reigns of the entirely-misnamed Innocent III (1198-1216) and the Borgias and Julius II of the late 15th/early 16th Century, but then if people don’t want to avail themselves of the benefits of the Protestant Reformation… 😉
      
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      September 2, 2016 12:02pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Some of the names from those times remind me of Gloriavale.
        
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        September 3, 2016 12:36am
  - DJP6-25
    
    In 2010-11, I was thinking of converting. That’s off the agenda.
    
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    September 2, 2016 12:18pm
  - SPC
    
    Oh the irony, being in the place of someone who dismisses the Jewish law, but step aside from commanding obedience to the ancien regime relic impersonating true faith and they become too modern for their position.
    
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    September 2, 2016 2:56pm
Manolo

The mullahs are having a wank:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1709199/iran-sinks-american-navy-fleet-with-huge-tidal-wave-weapon-in-isis-style-propaganda-video-showing-slaying-of-great-satan/
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September 2, 2016 11:00am
- Reid
  
  No it’s actually the Western propagandists wanking Manolo, and most of you are swallowing their output without a thought.
  
  The conflation with ISIS is a tell, to reinforce the Western meme that Iran is behind ISIS, when in reality, it’s a creation of Western intelligence using Saudi Arabia as the proxy. This is why ISIS behaves like Wahhabbis, because that’s where it gets its inspiration from.
  
  Then you have MEMRI, which is a Mossad propaganda unit.
  
  This is all very basic stuff which the whole world knows, apart of course from the silly ole Western sheeple, who are so dumb they consume without complaint nor question, the gallons of execrable output from the Western propaganda wankers. Man, those guys must laugh at you guys.
  
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  September 2, 2016 11:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  It seems Will Smith wasn’t available for that one.
  
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  September 2, 2016 11:26am
Manolo

Singing Kumbaya. Way to go!
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/09/01/georgetown-to-give-slave-descendants-priority-for-admission/

Georgetown president John DeGioia told news outlets that the university in Washington will implement the admissions preferences. He says Georgetown will need to identify and reach out to descendants of slaves and recruit them to the university.
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September 2, 2016 11:32am
skyblue

Another loser gets caught with meth in Bali:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11703103 – Taupo woman found with meth arrested in Bali: reports

Probably get the sob stories on what a nice person they are.

Wonder if this will end with a 1 way trip to Nusakambangan…….
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September 2, 2016 12:09pm
dave_c_

School lunch for one !

Auckland primary school wanting to implement restrictions against ALL students bar one.
That child has “anaphylaxis”, meaning they are severely allergic to kiwifruit, eggs, dairy products and nuts.
So they plan to ask ( implies – prevent) parents to ensure their children bring none of these things onto the school grounds.
So just watch nanny National supporting this egregious PC claptrap.

What an upside down world we are becoming – I would have thought the school should be ensuring (forcing) the parents of the one child to ensure that child does not share anyone else’s food.
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September 2, 2016 12:19pm
- mikenmild
  
  The kid should probably be locked up in a controlled environment. honestly, who do there parent think they are, wanting their kid to survive schooling?
  
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  September 2, 2016 12:39pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Mikenmild, that’s a fairly wide set of restrictions for everyone else though. No nuts or products that might contain a trace thereof, no dairy (no butter, milk, cheese, yogurt, nothing made with butter like a lot of pastry)…it is almost certainly better to have controls that one child than hundreds of others.
    
    We had some friends whose daughter was dangerously allergic to nuts and stuff; didn’t demand that the school go nut free, gave her a epi-pen equivalent, two in fact, made sure she carried them and knew what do do and when; and the school knew the same. Managed to get (so far) to 19 or so and isn’t dead yet.
    
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    September 2, 2016 3:17pm
Rich Prick

A refugee story that ended well.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83746020/corrections-to-appeal-after-losing-bid-to-supervise-child-sex-offender-with-disturbed-past-settled-in-wellington

Alinizi raped a 15-year-old-girl and twice indecently assaulted a nine-year-old girl.

Mohammed would be impressed.
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September 2, 2016 12:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rich Prick ,like this kiwi of European descent child rapist ,
  
  Child rapist Robert Burrett jailed for 19-and-a-half years
  
  “..the 64-year-old grandfather admitted 21 abuse charges relating to 12 young victims, including rape, sodomy, forced oral sex, indecent assaults, video-taping of the offending, and watching pornography, often in his underground caretaker’s shed…”
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11621027
  
  Would Jesus be impressed ?
  
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  September 2, 2016 3:07pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Which demonstrates we have enough bad bastards of our own without importing more of them from you-know-where. Personally, I’d prefer fewer child rape victims. And FYI, Jesus wasn’t a peadophile, Mohammed on the other hand was quite fond of his nine year old “wife”.
    
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    September 2, 2016 3:51pm
rightoverlabour

Gisborne has a 30 cm wave and all hell breaks loose. Less fear mongering, some real science and a mature approach would be far more helpful. The trouble with all the false alarms is when there is a real problem, no one will pay attention.

“Earthquakes below 7.5 or 7.0 usually do not trigger tsunamis,” said geophysicist Don Blakeman of the U.S. Geological Survey’s National Earthquake Information Center. “However, sometimes 6.0 earthquakes can trigger local tsunamis, which are smaller and less destructive.”

http://www.livescience.com/8824-earthquakes-tsunamis.html
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September 2, 2016 12:34pm
kowtow

Well knock me down with a feather.

“The 25-year-old man who shot three people in Christiania on Wednesday night has alleged ties to terrorist groups, police said late on Thursday.”

http://www.thelocal.dk/20160901/christiania-shooter-is-isis-sympathizer
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September 2, 2016 12:42pm
kowtow

Sweden we have a problem……..

“Malmö police have arrested a man after they caught him in the act of setting a vehicle alight in the Rosengård district as the city’s spate of summer car fires continued.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20160823/malm-police-catch-car-arson-suspect-in-the-act
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September 2, 2016 12:48pm
- Scott
  
  Good post kowtow. That’s normal practice from the Muslim play book. Increase crime, set fire to cars and drive out the non Muslims. That’s what happened in France. Asian youths (read Muslim) would set fire to cars and make it difficult for white people to live there. They would never set fire to cars of their fellow Muslims.
  
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  September 2, 2016 2:06pm
chiz

How Russia often benefits from Wikileaks.
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September 2, 2016 12:57pm
Ed Snack

That Kaepernick and his not standing for the US National Anthem because in his view the US discriminates against minorities.

I wonder what his view on Hillary Clinton is ?
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September 2, 2016 1:01pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ha, he thinks Hillary should be in prison and that Trump is a racist. Check out his girlfriends background. Interesting…
  
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  September 2, 2016 1:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ed Snack ,
  
  If it helps Hillary stands for the Star Spangled banner which I suppose may appeal to your superficial patriotism ,
  
  http://heatst.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Hillary-Clinton.jpg?w=594&h=330&crop=1&quality=80&strip=info
  
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  September 2, 2016 3:11pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Stephieboy, sure she stands, I wonder who pays her to do that. Does nothing without a quid pro quo, preferably to the “Foundation”…
    
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    September 2, 2016 3:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Ed Snack , as I stated your idea of patriotism is short and shallow rather like candy floss.
      
      http://refe99.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Slide162.jpg
      
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      September 2, 2016 3:23pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  When me and mine become a minority, I bet that I will not get any special treatment.
  
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  September 3, 2016 12:45am
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83796737/complaints-against-police-include-brutality-dog-bites-tasers-and-sexual-misconduct.

NZ Police ..not what they used to be.
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September 2, 2016 1:13pm
- mikenmild
  
  Yes, they didn’t have to put up with complaints in the good old days.
  
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  September 2, 2016 1:19pm
starboard

..another fab one liner from the maestro, nigh on 25000 of them.
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September 2, 2016 1:34pm
- mikenmild
  
  Always delighted to hear from the fanbase, starboard.
  How was the Friday lunch special at the Woolston RSA?
  
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  September 2, 2016 1:37pm
  - starboard
    
    Very nice thanks but the desserts aren’t up to much,
    nothing like ya mums mm heh..nudge nudge
    
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    September 2, 2016 2:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      True, but she’s given up cooking them now. Something about never getting any thanks from her lover, who seems to be more interested in surfing the web for gay porn.
      
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      September 2, 2016 2:32pm
Manolo

What will the UK and France do?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769688/Top-British-horsewoman-tells-terror-horsebox-attacked-gang-armed-migrants-Calais.html
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September 2, 2016 1:39pm
Manolo

The EU vs Apple:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37242357

Apple chief executive Tim Cook says the European Commission ruling that Apple should pay billions of euros in back taxes to the Republic of Ireland is “maddening” and “political”.

The EU ruling said Apple had been given €13bn of “illegal” tax benefits. Mr Cook said he was “very confident” the ruling would be overturned on appeal.
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September 2, 2016 1:52pm
Griff

Storm surge cam ceder key Florida.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/YASbYUZFccF
Cat one Hurricane Hermine still a couple of hours away and the tide is rising .
The sea has gone from only just topping the wall to surging over in the last twenty minutes.
The potential for this storm to cause flooding over the east seaboard of the us as it tracks up the coast is quite high .
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September 2, 2016 2:00pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Jeepers, just a week ago I was in Apalachicola, 35 degrees and not a breath of wind.
  
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  September 2, 2016 2:47pm
- skyblue
  
  It’s called weather Griff, just like the cold winter in Perth, Australia.
  
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  September 2, 2016 2:50pm
  - Griff
    
    Well bugger me .
    I did not know a hurricane was weather.
    I though it might have been a sign from god because of all the fornicating and bumfoolery.
    It is a storm. Not even a very big one it only made cat one a few hours ago.
    I watch storms and thought some might have found it interesting to watch a storm surge slowly come up.
    As a reference the normal high tide water level is about two meters bellow the wall.
    
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    September 2, 2016 3:01pm
  - Griff
    
    Bugger the lights went out just as someones boat was going to get wasted .
    They are back on but the boat has gone along with most the hand rails.
    
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    September 2, 2016 3:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Nice day for a demonstration in Venezuela
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37243191
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September 2, 2016 2:18pm
Stars And Stripes

Pamela Anderson urges men to give up pornography describing it as ‘corrosive’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11703116

“Pamela Anderson, the former Playmate, has described pornography as a “public hazard” that affects men’s “ability to function as husband, and, by extension, as father”.”

Yeah good one Pamela as I’m sure with your long history of virginity and modesty everyone will take notice.
I reckon Ron Jeremy would be good to join you in this crusade.
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September 2, 2016 2:26pm
starboard

Stiffybot, one of your lot playing up again. Not even safe in a public swimming pool.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/australia/mother-allegedly-sexually-assaulted-in-sydney-olympic-aquatic-centre-pool
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September 2, 2016 2:35pm
Stars And Stripes

Questions have been raised about whether more could have been done to alert people in the first hour, especially in regard to the timing of the tsunami warning.

Comments like “WHY did it take Civil Defence almost 90 minutes to send out a text alert this morning?” appeared on social media.

I got a theory on this one, maybe all the public servants were too busy on Kiwiblog.
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September 2, 2016 2:43pm
- mikenmild
  
  Was 4.30am a particularly busy time on Kiwiblog this morning?
  
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  September 2, 2016 2:50pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Why are you getting all defensive, that comment was not aimed at anyone in particular…….
    
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    September 2, 2016 2:53pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Just my natural curiosity.
      Why would you think that I might think that the comment was aimed at me?
      
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      September 2, 2016 3:00pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Don’t worry Mike. Some of us are realistic and understand that you wouldn’t be able to get away from the Quarry Inn at short notice – particularly at that time of the morning!
        
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        September 2, 2016 3:11pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I fear that the Quarry Inn may be more in nasska’s field of expertise than mine.
      My hobbies are fairly mundane.
      
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      September 2, 2016 3:20pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Your main hobby appears to be commenting on Kiwiblog.
        
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        September 2, 2016 4:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Your main hobby appears to be ~~commenting~~ trolling on Kiwiblog
        
        There! Fixed that for ya! 😉
        
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        September 2, 2016 4:10pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I have other hobbies. Commenting on Kiwiblog is not exactly time consuming, unless one is moved to look up some actual facts to counter a particularly egregious piece of nonsense.
        
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        September 2, 2016 4:24pm
      - dirty harry
        
        Gee..would never had guessed..I had you down as a stamp collector.
        
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        September 2, 2016 4:55pm
rangitoto

I see Corbyn wants to ban after work drinkies as it discriminates against mothers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/drinks-after-work-are-unfair-on-mothers-jeremy-corbyn-claims/
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September 2, 2016 3:23pm
- Manolo
  
  Jeremy Corbyn is not only unelectable, but an imbecile of the highest order.
  
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  September 2, 2016 4:16pm
SPC

What happens when the Tea Party hoi polloi meets the white race rump within the GOP, Trump.

So what do the Koch brothers who financed the Tea Party and the GOP establishment do,

a, wash their hands and walk away
b, go to confession/get born again/seek a therapist
c, jump off Trump Towers
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September 2, 2016 4:09pm
Fletch

Ship of Fools 2.0. In echoes of the Christmas / New Year ship full of warmists that got stuck in Antarctic ice a couple of years back, another “green” ship which is heading to the Arctic to raise awareness of climate change has been frustrated and put behind schedule by large quantities of ice.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/01/green-arctic-expedition-frustrated-large-quantities-ice/
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September 2, 2016 4:13pm
- Brigitte
  
  Interesting link. When one compares the two graphs of sea ice it provides, it’s quite apparent just how much the ice coverage has reduced in less than a decade.
  
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  September 2, 2016 5:08pm
Griff

😆
breitbart
yip Fletch do they have any news on the bloody great cruise ship going though right now .
https://www.yahoo.com/news/photos-worlds-largest-luxury-cruise-slideshow-094934129/photo-view-crystal-serenity-photo-120025461.html
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September 2, 2016 4:20pm
- kowtow
  
  Yeah such an ice free Arctic cruise it needs an ice breaker to accompany it!
  
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  September 2, 2016 4:58pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Whereas until a few years ago no ship could have made the trip – including the icebreaker. Your point being?
    
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    September 2, 2016 5:05pm
    - kowtow
      
      Nonsense.
      
      “In 1906, the Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen first successfully completed a passage from Greenland to Alaska in the sloop Gjøa.[17] Since that date, several fortified ships have made the journey.”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage
      
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      September 2, 2016 5:34pm
      - mikenmild
        
        And how long did he take?
        
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        September 2, 2016 5:40pm
      - Griff
        
        Roald Amundsen took three years to do it kowtow as your link explained.
        Now why did you not report that minor detail ?
        lets guess it hurt your little brain.
        He was stuck in one place for two years .
        Three years compared to a few weeks in a cruise liner .
        ROFL
        The ice breaker will be because insurance policy makes it mandatory to have one on hand not because they needed it.
        
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        September 2, 2016 5:52pm
  - Icarus
    
    The increasing ice is a global problem for shipping as we have had a series of record winters around the world.
    
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    September 2, 2016 5:07pm
Icarus

So what do the Koch brothers who financed the Tea Party and the GOP establishment do,

And lets not forget the Freemason/Illuminati/Jew/Reptilians who are all part of this conspiracy, because… reasons.
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September 2, 2016 4:36pm
Icarus

Maggy Wassilieff

Seems he is having a bit of a funding problem

Yes because he is selling an image to people with more money than sense. His cars are an over priced over hyped indulgence of elite posers. They are also powered by Coal and Nukes in most countries that buy them.

A bit like Jobs and his crime empire making absurdly expensive trinkets in sweat shops and marketing them to halfwits at inflated prices, while not paying tax.
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September 2, 2016 4:42pm
SPC

Andrea Vance nails it with her comment on the Clark bid for the UN SG position – it aint going to happen. The veto powers do not want a reformer, they would veto the candidacy to protect that power within and over the UN.

I would add a New Zealander led WADA, and Russia will not want that sort of idealism to international standards at the UN. Nor would some of the other veto powers – China would veto anyone from a nation with commitment to collective security, human rights and international law – such as the 200 mile zone.

Vance claims there is animosity towards Clark from a key US figure. Sort of irrelevant because they, France and the UK would veto over anyone who raise the issue of UNSC reform (including their loss of veto power). It’s all the French and UK have left from their imperial past.

As it is, it’s the East European term mantra, though some are proposing a women’s term before an eastern European turn next time around (partly based on east Europe being unstable at the moment and taking partisanship on those matters out of the equation).

So why not Angela Merkel or some Scandinavian (if German aspiration for a permanent seat on the UNSC un-nerved the status quo powers too much).
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September 2, 2016 4:43pm
- SPC
  
  Clarks’s Che Guevara quote was a concession she was the outsider candidate and would be rejected.
  
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  September 2, 2016 4:49pm
- SPC
  
  Is it the mention of the Vance and Merkel names in the one post that drives the impulse to downtick, reading an implied criticism of Key for continuing with the support to Clark’s campaign (no problem with it, but the mendacity behind the UN is the way the 5 powers obstruct it from being a principled body and thus it like the UNSC will be fruitless).
  
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  September 2, 2016 7:08pm
Jack5

What’s mine is mine, what’s yours is half mine.

Is this another sop by National to the 2 per cent Maori Party? The Hooerald reports:

Radio NZ seems to have ended its confrontation with Willie Jackson and iwi stations over getting more Maori content on RNZ National. This week RNZ signed a memorandum of understanding with a network of Maori stations.

The agreement will see the Maori stations and RNZ sharing content and working together.

The memorandum acknowledges the view that Maori wanted more content on RNZ than it had delivered in the past.

Perhaps the Government should give the whole of Radio NZ to Maori, who will then kill it off.
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September 2, 2016 4:53pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Perhaps the Government should give the whole of Radio NZ to Maori,”…..
  
  Give it to them! Take $20 cash or hire purchase & throw in a KFC discount voucher if they bargain hard.
  
  Just get rid of it!
  
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  September 2, 2016 6:38pm
Jack5

The French Army is now involved in controlling refugees at Calais. On the other side of the channel, it won’t be long until the British are deploying troops against border crashers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769688/Top-British-horsewoman-tells-terror-horsebox-attacked-gang-armed-migrants-Calais.html
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September 2, 2016 4:59pm
Jack5

C’mon guys … only 215 posts in General Debate on a Friday … Am I the only one still awake? Here’s another bone.

Indians are about to try to bully New Zealand into allowing to stay in this country 150 Indian students on illegal visas.

If NZ caves in on this it is gutless and dim-witted. It will be swamped by hundreds more Indians on illegal visas.

The following is reported by State media operator Radio New Zealand:

The director of the New Zealand India Research Institute at Victoria University, Sekhar Bandyopadhyay said the cases were likely to hurt New Zealand’s reputation in India.

Well an Indian lecturer would likely say that, wouldn’t he?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/312389/fears-of-indian-student-backlash
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September 2, 2016 5:07pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Yes there could be an uprising in dairies around the country over this one.
  
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  September 2, 2016 5:29pm
- Reid
  
  Not to mention Indian restaurants.
  
  You’re quite right Jack, this is serious.
  
  Don’t panic everyone, don’t panic!
  
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  September 2, 2016 5:39pm
  - Jack5
    
    The pictures show Indian girls as well as guys. I reckon we should let the girls stay. In fact we should welcome and encourage them.
    
    Indian women tend to be well educated, personable, good looking, and happy to be in a country where they are treated better than they are in India.
    
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    September 2, 2016 5:44pm
    - mikenmild
      
      They’re not all Muslims, either.
      
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      September 2, 2016 6:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        Bugger all head or face coverings among the Indian girls I see.
        
        Are you sure the Mozzies would let their daughters come to NZ on their own for study? Would they trust the Stephiestanis of Wellington to keep them safe? I doubt it.
        
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        September 2, 2016 7:46pm
SPC

The first issue the UN SG has to deal with is the matter of Crimea – the UN is a collective of member states with defined borders (though one could argue Taiwan is a longer standing matter of uncertain national borders).

A principled position would be that Crimea has a recognised parliament that authorised a plebescite on whether it would be part of Ukraine or Russia (and this means is preferable to armed insurrection or a war between nation states over Crimea) – if so the same would apply to Taiwan. So that even if it was (as the mainland government claims) part of one China it has an independent parliament and capacity to organise a plebescite on independence.

Known in three dimensional chess as how to divide and conquer the Asian mainland hydra nemesis (Russia and China). Sweetening this proposal with recognition of an eastern Ukraine parliament with the right to organise its own plebescite in the fullness of time would tempt Russian buy in (though it could be argued Russia cannot just formally acquire Crimea without taking on its pro rata share of the historic Ukrainian debt).
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September 2, 2016 5:41pm
- Jack5
  
  SPC: you sound like someone from MFAT.
  
  Crimea is now back as part of Russia, but there’s Abkhazia to sort out.
  
  Why has NZ spent so much time, effort and cash to get on to the Security Council to stuff around with such foreign problems?
  
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  September 2, 2016 5:50pm
  - SPC
    
    Jack 5, who recognises that Crimea is part of Russia?
    
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    September 2, 2016 5:52pm
    - Reid
      
      who recognises that Crimea is part of Russia?
      
      The Russians who live there SPC, who else?
      
      But Putin hasn’t done anything about that sentitment from the people who live there – 80% of the population. No. All he’s done is said he won’t stand by and permit genoicde there.
      
      That’s it.
      
      So not really too sure what you’re complaining about, and why.
      
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      September 2, 2016 6:23pm
      - SPC
        
        The beauty of the new style thread is that it allows people to follow the discussion, it enables context.
        
        To help you out, the discussion was about states with recognised national borders being members of the UN and the UN acting to ensure peaceful resolution of inter-state conflict.
        
        Thus about recognition by the UN and its members of Crimea being within either Ukraine or Russia – and then the related matter of on and by what principles the UN gets involved and how.
        
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        September 2, 2016 6:44pm
      - Reid
        
        To help you out, the discussion was about states with recognised national borders being members of the UN and the UN acting to ensure peaceful resolution of inter-state conflict.
        
        So it wasn’t based in reality SPC? Oh I see. Thanks for the correction.
        
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        September 2, 2016 7:08pm
      - SPC
        
        It was about truth and diplomacy, two topics outside your jurisdiction.
        
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        September 2, 2016 7:13pm
      - Reid
        
        You don’t get those from the UN SPC. You get one but not the other. And you only even get the one if you ignore some of those relevant aspects of the definition of that discipline concerning ethics and avoidance of participation or collusion in war crimes. Include those and it’s 0/2, re: the UN.
        
        Everyone knows that.
        
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        September 2, 2016 7:19pm
      - SPC
        
        Which takes us back to my 4.43pm post, why it is so hard to get the UN to perform as it is supposed to, when the 5 veto powers block any attempt to do so.
        
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        September 2, 2016 7:43pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Russians and the Crimeans ? (Recognise that Crimea is part of Russia)
      ‘In a referendum that was disputed as illegal and under occupation, a vast majority of Crimean residents who voted reportedly chose to secede from Ukraine and join Russia. Shortly thereafter the Russian government approved the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine. In late March 2014, the General Assembly of the United Nations approved a resolution declaring this referendum and Russia’s annexation as invalid and affirming Ukraine’s territorial jurisdiction of Crimea. One hundred of the UN’s 193 member states approved the resolution, and 11 member states voted against it.’
      National Geographic
      The UNs position seems a bit moot as I doubt the Russians will give it up. And what could the UN do any way. Put sanctions on Russia? Lol
      
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      September 2, 2016 6:27pm
      - SPC
        
        There have been (and still are) sanctions on Russia.
        
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        September 2, 2016 6:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, I like the thread running this way too. I knew there were sanctions but Russia doesn’t seem to care. Would like to discuss their internal economy which is stated to be trading quite well internally as some economy of scale seems to have been reached ala the Us in the 60’s but have to go out. Another time.Too many resources in Crimea and the Black Sea for the Russians to give way now and good luck to any military action to remove them from Sevastopol. The UN should sort out the corrupt govt in Ukraine and then there might be progress towards peace.
        
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        September 2, 2016 6:58pm
  - SPC
    
    As for Abkhazia, it once was 50% Georgian and only 20% Abkhaz – ethnic cleansing forced Georgians out and then Russian backing came.
    
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    September 2, 2016 5:59pm
    - SPC
      
      Like South Ossetia it is under Russian occupation, but not included within Russia.
      
      If Russia was to be consistent (in support of Ossetia independence) it would allow North Ossetia and South Ossetia to merge (thus both Georgia and Russia would lose territory).
      
      However both Russian actions were taken to show support for Serbia over Kosovo (as much against NATO), not for favour of the independence of ethnic peoples in their own affairs.
      
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      September 2, 2016 6:09pm
  - SPC
    
    Why should NZ have an interest in the peaceful resolution of international conflict? Well preserving the peace is good for our trade and it is not as if we can expect idealism and altruism to guide the major powers – because they are too often blinded by their hubris, pride and base nationalist posturing.
    
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    September 2, 2016 6:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

Now I know why you Hillary lovers are so scared.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/706l2c02bszuff3/Clinton%20hitlist.jpg?dl=0
Tow the line or end up here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwxyebcy6qcbx1l/Clinton%20hearse.jpg?dl=0
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September 2, 2016 5:41pm
waikatogirl

Good luck getting a good nights sleep in the eastern bay of plenty tonight after this mornings earthquake.
I’d be sleeping with one eye open just in case.
😉
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September 2, 2016 5:42pm
- Inandout
  
  That would make you half asleep, or one eyed. But I see your point.
  
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  September 2, 2016 5:50pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Bit of both InandOut. 😉
    
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    September 2, 2016 6:12pm
- Brigitte
  
  “I’d be sleeping with one eye open just in case.”
  Something like….
  
  Sleep with one eye open
  Gripping your pillow tight
  Exit light
  Enter night
  Take my hand
  We’re off to never-never land
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384
  
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  September 2, 2016 7:14pm
mikenmild

Anyone else a fan of the Betoota Advocate?
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/staff-drinks-ruined-by-hipster-interns-revolting-craft-beer-selection/
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September 2, 2016 6:05pm
EAD

This phrase sums up Alex Jones and his motives well:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/01/911impairment/

Then again, maybe Alex isn’t as stupid as he looks. Maybe he knows that if he acts stupid, he will be permitted to make a lot of money, live in relative luxury, and get invited onto big media periodically as a supposed “truther” – whose real purpose is to make truthers look like idiots.

Of course, Alex Jones may act like an idiot. And he may talk like an idiot. But don’t let that fool you. Maybe he really IS an idiot
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September 2, 2016 6:36pm
- mikenmild
  
  He is either an idiot, or a smart man making good money from gullible people.
  
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  September 2, 2016 6:46pm
Scott Chris

Discovered a real Trumpist today; person I’ve worked with for a couple of years with whom I’ve had a cordial relationship with:

Started with my slur on certain evangelical Christians I’d had an issue with; having realised my mistake I quickly renounced my prejudice citing Deism as a convenient way to justify my moral outrage. Anyways, the Trumpist was cool with that, as she was with, it turns out, Hitler. I thought I’d Godwinned our exchange by saying my father’s generation often credits Hitler for raising the German nation but it turns out she buys into that credential.

Luckily it was a face to face meeting so I was quite polite and diplomatic but in equal measures shocked.
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September 2, 2016 6:40pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Well done Scott. Looks like your two faced behaviour let you get away with it.
  
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  September 2, 2016 6:43pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    All good All_on_Red, I don’t have to work with you on Monday. That being said, how honest are you about the solutions you propose?
    
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    September 2, 2016 6:55pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Simple really. I avoid criticising and slurring people of any religion or indeed generally people at all- at work.
      Must go- enjoy your evening
      
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      September 2, 2016 7:01pm
- Kimbo
  
  My advice: ask her if she believes the world was literally created in six days some 6,000 years ago and then go on to ask if, as per further literal interpretation of the same Scriptures, that
  
  – there was a pre-existent dark watery mass before God created the heavens and the earth
  
  – the earth is a flat disk resting on pillars in “the midst of the waters”
  
  – the heavens/sky is a metal firmament/dome hammered out into shape on a giant anvil
  
  – that hold back “the waters above”
  
  – but with sluice gates in it that can open to release the waters
  
  – and that the sun and the moon rush across
  
  ….I asked Scott those questions a couple of weeks ago and it was like Spray and Walkaway/Dracula being offered a garlic milkshake to go with his garlic burger and garlic fries – not a whisper of response or the merest hint of engagement, just disappearance…
  
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  September 2, 2016 6:55pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    Kimbo, I’m not sure what kind of Christian she is, only that she took issue with with the term Happy Clappy. Not sure that she sees Christ as her mortal saviour or her political saviour.
    
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    September 2, 2016 7:07pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Likely a Charismatic/Pentecostal if she objected to the term “Happy Clappy”. And they have morphed in the last 40 or so years from a group that was almost entirely other-worldly, to one that seeks, indeed expects God-ordained, prophesied and directed political influence and power- without much of the wisdom gained by other Christian traditions from their centuries of successes and failures to temper the rampant triumphalism.
      
      Hence their gullibility in America falling for any and every false Messiah who is the Republican (i.e., non-Democratic, the party of the anti-Christ) presidential nominee. Brian Tamaki and Destiny’s dabbling in politics a decade or so ago is a local version.
      
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      September 2, 2016 7:13pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …to clarify further, even though abortion was enacted in 1973 by SCOTUS through Roe v Wade, and like banning guns it is practically impossible in the current American pluralistic political environment to amend the constitution to ban it, nonetheless abortion (and to a lesser extent gun control/crime) is the “dog whistle”/wedge issue that tends to steer the voting patterns of conservative Christians, including and especially Pentecostals and Charismatics.
      
      And as the Democrats are generally pro-women’s rights, and pro-gun control and anti-death penalty and longer prison sentences, a Republican candidate has to be a really useless political operator not to pick up their votes, irrespective of any personal religious affiliation. Just turn up to a prayer breakfast and mouth the right words…
      
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      September 2, 2016 7:32pm
- Inandout
  
  What conversation did you have with any Clitonists, and was it equally revealing? I was once aquainted with an elderly German lady who always ducked and dodged questions about Hitler, except to say ‘he did a lot of good things’. This attitude has now morphed into Islamic attitudes to Jews. As my old granny used to say, ‘there are nowt so queer as folk’.
  
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  September 2, 2016 7:53pm
Longknives

The media is desperately trying to drum up sympathy/support for the Maori woman arrested with Methamphetamine in Bali (The one with scribble tattoos on her neck that was acting erratically and abusing people at the Airport)

Does anyone on the planet (apart from a few ‘Crusading Journalists’) actually believe she has been ‘Framed’?
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September 2, 2016 7:27pm
- Kimbo
  
  Well, Notsofast reckons David Bain…and Mark Lundy (!) were, so why not with those obviously corrupt Indonesian customs officials? I say “obviously” because, well, they ain’t white. Hey, that’s what the Aussie media ~~stated~~ implied with Schapelle Corby! 😉
  
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  September 2, 2016 7:36pm
- SPC
  
  It is plausible that the amount (personal use level) found on the seat beside her was her friend’s/travel companion’s. Maybe her behaviour was because she had already used her share.
  
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  September 2, 2016 7:57pm
Griff

Trumps honest he is not going to play those money games. Honestly he is not going to buy favors

Donald Trump paid the IRS a $2,500 penalty this year, an official at Trump’s company said, after it was revealed that Trump’s charitable foundation had violated tax laws by giving a political contribution to a campaign group connected to Florida’s attorney general.

The improper donation, a $25,000 gift from the Donald J. Trump Foundation, was made in 2013. At the time, Attorney General Pam Bondi was considering whether to investigate fraud allegations against Trump University. She decided not to pursue the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/01/trump-pays-irs-a-penalty-for-his-foundation-violating-rules-with-gift-to-florida-attorney-general/
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September 2, 2016 7:44pm
Scott Chris

Griff

Trumps honest

Sure Griff in that a 10 year old child’s response to a challenging question can be considered honest. (apologies to the world’s current 10 year olds including the minority of drifters and future psychopathic killers.)
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September 2, 2016 8:03pm
Griff

Hanlon’s razor
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity,”
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September 2, 2016 8:08pm
nasska

For those ancient enough to remember Dean Martin & his signature song:

When you swim in the creek,
And an eel bites your cheek.
That’s a Moray.

When your horse chews his straw,
And then begs for more,
That’s some more hay.

When our habits are strange,
And our customs deranged,
That’s our mores, eh?

When your sheep go to graze,
In a damp marshy place,
That’s a moor, eh?

When you ace your last tests,
Like you did all the rest,
That’s some more A’s!

When you’re hit by a jug,
In a South Auckland pub,
That’s a Maori.
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September 2, 2016 8:17pm
dirty harry

Not nutting off tonight scottchris…hormones in check ?
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September 2, 2016 8:23pm
Scott Chris

Griff

Hanlon’s razor
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity,”

Yes tricky Griff. How about a ratio? The smarter you are the harsher the sanction for failure?
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September 2, 2016 8:27pm
Griff

Don’t ask me Scott C.
I am not part of the normal world .

After putting that quote up cribbed from a web blog I was reading I explored it further.
It is just another R A Hienlien quote.

Here is the political version.
Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory.
Bernard Ingham
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September 2, 2016 8:34pm
stigie

What milky’s mum and Starbored really get up to..?

https://gm1.ggpht.com/9NN8-zgKo-InXcvsg94ManckOCpa97WOXO8qCOVVeHYzUYPYbg_maNxx2jER5SK0Ia8IOyyhyxPPXIQCLhomDpzjAg05L8OHmzrThlamluLreONJ5joyM2S0kasHwmw89ZYOvYBTwbfCIQm-juy6T5F4qvx3-cj4jGoFB9zhUWs-Xnn0FebJwek0o4XjlMRYScWZiLQbfYXr3uHctaPxysb3opRxAEeU5Kh—Vq9SgWEHw_rw_zaMebGeNvSddmn-AeRgj6_6toCTrrnpaw1EKQX6ZdkOPxFDpvsxvt48GrjSW4Sno9K2oHieNqffB4cf5N0dGH-bfCPwIn28kzjPLQ8JnxInBCwy4sz9IwniRLVPfK4h0icLz-I7xqfmjyEi3bBmDpEQD4BSeHPTtz400AP89C78vc_EOa8JlnaTRdv5C8tnI97SBmKhlqMnfsc8OfZZOiYyk0bmLKJBwcoZNLoYgRMPTOrfVQhscLlJZii9S4yqhPPSpwrH0W1MTUxiXWn-EQLbjAEa421FR8a_ffzS5SmmiPQq102w7mgh20VMSZFeefeeU2x1rhukq4lB__KB4_QZSmTW1zZvbGLsltHrVaVkkalQKCOeKTBG2Jw5xyxKg6TJkzY57t-EwKJlthY8Y_4dBKI1j4YWzoyhZ4WOfuy4-0HIneo7cdrNpUoeqYpnbVKOA_skJjnubvJn3rLyCS=w920-h1208-l75-ft
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September 2, 2016 8:41pm
- Griff
  
  Stigie that link did not work .
  You should learn
  this
  
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  September 2, 2016 8:45pm
  - stigie
    
    Bugger thanks Griff.
    
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    September 2, 2016 8:47pm
Scott Chris

nasska

For those ancient enough to remember Dean Martin & his signature song:

When you’re hit by a jug,
In a South Auckland pub,
That’s a Maori.

Translation: If you aren’t a cow cockey fool and make friends in a Pukekohe Pub you get a free jug:

That’s a Maori?
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September 2, 2016 8:41pm
Komata

Totally off the current topic, but, one has to ask; Where’s Penelope? Her silence over the last few weeks is beyond deafening, especially as she is a self-proclaimed and much vaunted mayoral candidate – at least in her own mind. Curiously, she seems to noticeably seems to be MIA from any ‘Meet the candidates’ meetings that I have managed to find reports on. Did she get finally get up our host’s nose and banned? Did her house get sold? Has the water been turned off? Dis she lose the deposit for her mayoral candidacy? I know we all regard her as being somewhat beyond the pale, but does anyone actually have any idea about what she is doing?

Thanks.
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September 2, 2016 9:07pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My guess is that Stephieboy’s pillow talk has got her all excited.
  
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  September 2, 2016 10:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    Penny joining the Stephies team. Imagine her in a the head and face clobber. And General Debate would become as battered as No Man’s Land on the Western Front in World War 1.
    
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    September 3, 2016 12:04am
Jack5

Dame Devoid has extended her pseudo-authority internationally, taking a swipe at Australia.

The Guardian is reporting on her campaign (IMHO, totalitarian like) to have New Zealanders inform on incidents they think are racist.

The Guardian reports Devoid as saying:

… although “overt racism is not as widespread as it is in, say, Australia”, taking a proactive approach would help New Zealanders reassert their position as world leaders in race relations.

The British newspaper says Dame Devoid told it:

“We are often held up as a model of healthy race relations to the rest of the world, and the Treaty of Waitangi is widely admired. But I don’t want New Zealand to follow behaviour we are seeing in other parts of the world where hate speak, overt racism and divisive talk is becoming normalised.”

Anyone will be able to make up bullshit in these nark-on-neighours complaints. How will the alleged offender’s side of the story be checked? How can there be any balance? Activists will be able to make up whole series of lying allegations.

Stand by for our Leftist MSM to berate us all on the basis of this unsubstantiated politically correct rubbish.

IMHO, this campaign sounds like something a state like the former East Germany would encourage when seeking political dissidents, than something that will be taxpayer funded in the free and democratic society of New Zealand.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/02/new-zealand-warned-overt-racism-australia
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September 2, 2016 11:59pm
Scott Chris

Jack5

Dame Devoid has extended her pseudo-authority internationally, taking a swipe at Australia.

The Guardian is reporting on her campaign (IMHO, totalitarian like) to have New Zealanders inform on incidents they think are racist.

Well I’m reporting you for being a silly little bitch and probable racist Jack. How do you like them apples?
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September 3, 2016 2:51am
- Jack5
  
  Wear a dress when you play squash do you, Scott Chris?
  
  You are posting at 2.51 am, and off your head.
  
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  September 3, 2016 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  Wear a dress when you play squash do you, Scott Chris?
  
  You are posting at 2.51 am, and you are obviously off your heavy, dead head.
  
  Wow! Comment on a comment obviously and you get two whacks at an already well-whacked raver!
  
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  September 3, 2016 9:15am
Scott Chris

In the meantime, Donald Trump, the saviour of free speech is suing “The Daily Mail” for not being politically correct.

Yes you heard it here at some stage folks. Donald Trump talks big and boasts big buys big politics and says what he wants. Hell, if Donald Trump were to suggest his wife Melania was originally the highest class of call girl, well that’s just Trump style isn’t it? No societal holds barred eh??

No big balled straight talker would sue against that shit would he?

lmao.
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September 3, 2016 3:06am
Scott Chris

#ioncehadmelaniaupagainstthebigboatandshelovedit

rofl
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September 3, 2016 3:16am
Scott Chris

An excerpt from Dime’s memoires:

She’d flash her eyes and bleach her bum but only the landed gentry had access to the real Melania. Dime didn’t care much though; Dime’s clientele demanded different favours from Dime, though butt bleaching proved a lucrative sideline for Dime, over the years Dime began to adopt his clients’ butt bleaching ways but little did he know of the bleaching event that would change his life!
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- Jack5
  
  3.59, and you’re still raving. Obviously on something stronger than alcohol.
  
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