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Viking2

Only in Wanganui.

Fire and ambulance staff were called to a laundromat in Gonville yesterday afternoon after a child became shut inside a drier.

The 9-year-old girl climbed into the appliance while her aunt and uncle were attending to the washing.

The girl said she did not know why she got inside the machine but said her brother had shut the door.

Her brother said he shut the door because his sister asked him to.

The children’s uncle called emergency services, and Whanganui Fire Service officer Bob Wills-Rawlings said hand tools were used to free her from the machine. “The St John staff checked her over and said she was fine,” he said.

Mr Wills-Rawlings said it was good that the situation was easily dealt with.

“It’s all in a day’s work,” he said.

She was the second child to to be rescued from a machine at the Alma Rd laundromat.

A 10-year-old boy was stuck in a washing machine in October last year.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11718971
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September 29, 2016 8:02am
- wiseowl
  
  Obviously not enough rules and regulations around washing machines and driers.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:29am
  - G152
    
    Should be a fence. And a big big sign. And a Braille sign. And all that H&S nonsense on the walls.
    Oh, and one of those latch thingees they have on the front of those machines to open the door…
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:41am
- Dave Mann
  
  I suppose it was impossible to simply open the door? FFS!
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:34am
  - jonar
    
    Yeah, all those Fire Service guys are morons not thinking of that.
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    The door would lock shut while the machine is operating since opening it during a wash would spill water everywhere. Possibly the door locked when shut with the child inside but the machine did not start as money had not been inserted.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:31am
    - wiseowl
      
      Then someone should have put a coin in.
      Not long before cycle completed and a lovely clean child emerges.
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:37am
      - Hajji
        
        And whiter than white…!
        
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        September 29, 2016 10:15am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Its a drier, No water?
      
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      September 29, 2016 10:07am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Thanks for the explanation…. I’m not sure that its correct as that would mean the effectively customer loses the clothes and can’t add or remove clothes before starting the wash. But good thought, thanks.
      
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      September 29, 2016 11:14am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Needs a safety sign as they do in a Laundromat in Honolulu:
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/i67dom7cmzal1xm/Drier.JPG?dl=0
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:59am
dave_c_

WATCH – Proof Fraud, Evil Hillary & Hack, Whore Holt WORKED TOGETHER
Using Hand Signals (& Her Earbud) To Control & Manipulate The Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XSuG5aCFGs&feature=youtu.be

Even Holt has an earpiece – Debate Commission said NO earpieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekv4QIgbFgQ

They must think you and I are stupid
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September 29, 2016 8:02am
- eszett
  
  LOL!
  Funniest conspiracy theory so far on the debate.
  So much better than “I had a bad mike”, which was pretty lame.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:15am
  - dave_c_
    
    Get your head out of the dark place and use some intelligent assessment.
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:17am
- Griff
  
  They must think you and I are stupid
  
  Yip you are.
  A conspiracy because Trump came across as an ignorant buffoon.
  oh dear
  We have another below.
  Clinton brought off the FBI.
  You have to wonder why some people so readily believe such gibbering nonsense.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:24am
  - dave_c_
    
    And your poof that this is not a conspiracy ?
    Other than just your ‘opinion’, are you prepared to refute what is seen on video, with solid comment – Feeds provided by the beloved establishment
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:02am
    - mikenmild
      
      Oh yes, the burden on proof must be on the sane people to prove that it is not a conspiracy…
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:25am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Because no one ever on Kiwiblog has spouted some insane batshit theory and challenged us to prove them wrong.
        
        Thus starting the descent into the madness that lies behind the pseudonyms stephieboy, redbaiter, EAD et al.
        
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        September 29, 2016 10:26am
  - Icarus
    
    Griff/stephieboy/Quail
    
    Troll… blah blah Troll……
    
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    September 29, 2016 4:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Looks like Hillary has had the first video pulled.
  Holt was definitely a cheat in the second, but hey, it’s different when the left do it
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:07am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  First vid pulled, maybe it was this.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGRwQTWYZCo
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:47am
- Gabby
  
  The Capital Letters and Gratuitously Insulting Language Mean you MUST BELIEVE It.
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:54am
duggledog

Heather du Plessis Alan made a wee slip up the other day whilst discussing the Trump / Clinton debate with her ‘Story’ co-host Duncan Garner on his radio show –

Garner: ‘You really hate Donald Trumnp don’t you’
DPA ‘We all do!’

Although not as definitive as Katie Bradford’s ‘No matter what we do…’ moment, it’s a clear sign that the media are, as usual, united in promulgating one candidate of the Presidential race. From the smirking of a news anchor through to patronizing articles in the print media it’s a been a daily spectacle for months.

Maybe it’s a good thing that the NZ media are, to a man, Trump haters. Maybe that says kiwis can see a knob end when they spot one, but I don’t actually want (overwhelmingly) one side of a debate. It’s not a debate at that point.

I want someone – anyone, aside from Leighton Smith – to come forward and say they think Trump is onto something and defend his position because with a rather large number of Americans behind him there must be more to it. Or is it just easier to ridicule someone who has rubbish hair, is not very articulate and is rude to women?
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September 29, 2016 8:04am
- Paulus
  
  What else do you expect from HDPA – she is a media troll.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:17am
  - G152
    
    Anything for the ratings. That’s the only thing that counts
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:43am
  - lilman
    
    Loved her passion to get the rugby player found guilty or retried as it wasnt right.
    Only hope she is so passionate to face court over her gun buying,police impersonating stunt.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:36am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Maybe it’s a good thing that the NZ media are, to a man, Trump haters. Maybe that says kiwis can see a knob end when they spot one, but I don’t actually want (overwhelmingly) one side of a debate. It’s not a debate at that point.
  
  I think you’ve hit the nail on the head duggledog. Kiwis are getting sick and tired of being told by the media what to think and believe, based on their myopic worldview. By and large we are intelligent enough to make up our own minds on issues, without being told what we should, in their opinion, be doing.
  
  You mention Duncan Garner there – yesterday he had this on his show’s FB page – “I think it’s time for Steve Tew to go – do you agree?”
  
  Naturally, a few rabid dogs rose to his clickbait. But interestingly, there were as many if not more people telling Garner to pull his head in; here’s a small selection:
  
  * Duncan slowly but surely you are giving me the shits with these outbursts and thinking everyone should fall inline with you’re thinking. It’s one crusade after another and to hell with those that disagree.
  
  * You are usually sensible Duncan but this time you’re going after the wrong man.Its theJudge that needs to go as hes the one who didnt convict Filipo. Tew cant be responsible for every rugby player’s off field behaviour.
  
  * Duncan I have just listened to your rant about Tew & Losi Filipo. You came across as a self righteous prat. Do you think NZ society will benefit from this boy being locked up ? This boy has been named & shamed, lost his job & if you & your bullyboys have your way, all hope for a decent future removed . Yes he carried out an horrendous act. I suggest that you look at ALL of the court documents ( I have ) & get your facts straight. I hate this “vengeance at all costs” society that we’ve become. I wish Filipo & his victims all the best for their futures. I have to say that I’m extremely disappointed with your judge, jury & executioner stance. By all means express your concerns, disgust , but don’t turn into a nasty bully. You have a responsibility to put a balanced side across & in this case I don’t think that you have.
  
  The “judge, jury and executioner” comment sums up our media perfectly. That’s why we are increasingly sceptical of their opinions, which they present as absolute fact.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:27am
  - dime
    
    the dudes a fair weather crusader. just saying what he thinks people want to hear.
    
    i listened to his drive show for a few months. i renamed it – auckland house prices with duncan gardner.
    
    if it wasnt house prices it was – business are doing better, are you getting your share? is your boss sharing the loot?
    
    shit like that.
    
    pretty sure in a big down turn we wont be earing from him – businesses are losing money, have you told your boss youll take a pay cut?
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:59am
- doggone7
  
  Was it a slip from du Plessis Alan ? And why shouldn’t she say what she said?
  Why shouldn’t the media be united in promulgating one candidate of the Presidential race if they individually have come to conclusions which are the same?
  Du Plessis Alan, Henry, Hosking, Garner, Smith and co. are all paid to give us their opinions and entertain. Viewing and listening figures suggest we can’t get enough of them.
  Getting sides of the debate is irrelevant, it’s not a debate, it’s entertainment, it’s stuff to fill the spaces between the ads.
  That goes for every topic not just the US election. An election which will not be affected in the tiniest, most minute, smidgeon of an iota by what Heather du Plessis Alan thinks or says about Donald Trump.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:10am
  - Garbageman
    
    Valid points Doggone but out of curiosity what do you think makes that particular profession so attractive to the leftards and social justice bullies, and why are they truly successful ones “rwnjs” like Henry & Hoskings
    
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    September 29, 2016 10:00am
    - doggone7
      
      That particular profession is clearly attractive to a lot of people. Isn’t their political persuasion incidental?
      
      It attracts people who like to be seen standing on their hind feet letting their opinion out.
      
      The question is interesting though in the sense it could be asked about other occupations like mayor and MP.
      
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      September 29, 2016 11:54am
- ross411
  
  I had to sit through several minutes of “Story” last night. I think some journalist was going on a pie and beer diet… What a load of garbage. At least that women’s magazine nonsense is not contrived viewpoints which exclude relevant facts, which seemed to be par for the course on Campbell Live.
  
  The channel was changed to the Hosking show where two bimbos simpered about musical choices and “Delta’s hair”. If TV One had to earn a crust, and not bludge off us taxpayers, these nohopers would have to try and get a real job.
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:54am
- Gabby
  
  Maybe Horeskin will oblige. He’s got good words. Or jellimeat. Or whatever.
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:59am
Manolo

The administration bought this bugger, didn’t it?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/28/comey-cheryl-mills-laptop-contained-some-classified-information.html

FBI Director James Comey testified Wednesday that former Hillary Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills and another top aide had “some” classified material on laptops they turned over to the bureau in its probe of Clinton’s private server use as secretary of state — yet the aides still received immunity.
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September 29, 2016 8:07am
- mara
  
  Comey used to be held in high regard. He is now revealed to be a weasel bought and paid for by the corrupt administration. If Trump becomes President, Comey should fear a trial for treason.
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:12am
  - ross411
    
    @mara: I’m sure they’ll schedule that right after the trial for Vice President Dick Chaney and all the uncontested contracts that were granted to Halliburton, which made $39 billion, during the Iraq war.
    
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    September 29, 2016 10:58am
rightoverlabour

Brilliant timing…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/senate-obama-veto-september-11-bill-saudi-arabia
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September 29, 2016 8:09am
Chuck Bird

What a crock of shit. I have the notes of Davidson DCJ. How can he say the assault on the women was just a bit of pushing and shoving. Did he not take a look at the photos?

Losi Filipo case: How the judges judge

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11718584

NOTES OF JUDGE B DAVIDSON ON SENTENCING INDICATION

[1] This is a sentence indication hearing for the defendant Filipo. He faces related charges of injuring with reckless disregard, assault with intent to injure and assault on a female.

[2] The charges relate to events, also involving his elder brother which occurred in the early hours of Sunday 11 October 2015 in the Wellington CBD. The defendant and his brother encountered another group comprised at the very least of 2 young men and 2 females, although they were all not together at the same time.

[3] The genesis of the incident is not entirely clear but what is clear enough is just how the defendant responded. He ran up to the first victim, that for which the charge is injuring. He grabbed him by the collar, punched him towards his head,knocking him unconscious, and while on the ground stomped on him around 4 times. This caused fairly significant injuries including concussion, grazing and bruising. The victim was taken to hospital and held overnight, presumably for observation. That victim has suffered significantly. He had been an active sportsman but has had to give up his chosen sport because of the risk of further head injury.

[4] From there, the incident developed. The 2 charges of assault on a female, apart from the fact they involve young ladies, are not particularly serious in themselves. They are more in the nature of pushing and shoving of each of them.
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September 29, 2016 8:10am
- dave_c_
  
  Who knows how these aging relics minds work ?
  It appears to me that over the last 5-10 years, there is a concerted effort (perhaps by design) on part of the judiciary to trivialise what were previously considered serious offences.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:15am
  - cmm
    
    “trivialise what were previously considered serious offences”
    
    and worse still, criminalising what were previously considered trivial issues.
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:22am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Dave, do you class Don Brash trying to hold John Key to account an aging relic. How old are you sonny?
    
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    September 29, 2016 1:35pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Just reading a book Badlands NZ: A Land Fit For Criminals by David Fraser on that very subject. It is an interesting read.
    
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    September 29, 2016 6:46pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  That’s it Chuck? Just four paragraphs? Or have you selected just a small portion of a longer report to make your point.
  
  That’s the problem with this case. Davidson made his decision based on a totality of information, not little snippets in isolation. We need to see ALL the information before we rush to judgment.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:33am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Maggy and I have put the link there. Do you still believe all judges have the Wisdom of Solomon?
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:51am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Thanks for that. As for the judges, they certainly have far more wisdom that either you or I Chuck, and they have ALL relevant information in front of them when considering their decisions.
      
      That is not to say of course that they don’t make mistakes. We only have to look at the volume of cases being appealed to higher courts. I look forward to the Solicitor-General’s review of the Filipo sentencing.
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:19am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Thanks for that. As for the judges, they certainly have far more wisdom that either you or I Chuck
        
        You can speak for yourself not me. Are you saying every judge has more wisdom than you? How about honesty and integrity?
        
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        September 29, 2016 9:41am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        KS, Retired Judge Roy Wade does not have the confidence in the judiciary that you do.
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201817748/retired-judge-shocked-losi-filipo-discharged-without-conviction
        
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        September 29, 2016 12:35pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        And at the same time Chuck, another retired DC Judge says Judge Davidson’s decision was “based on law and a simple legal test”:
        
        The judge who discharged rugby player Losi Filipo without conviction may be facing a public backlash for his decision.
        
        But a former district court judge said the decision was based on law and a simple legal test that allowed Judge Bruce Davidson to come to his particular ruling.
        
        Retired Judge Dr David Harvey, now a lecturer at the University of Auckland’s Faculty of Law, said he had read the judgment and was not going to question Judge Davidson’s ruling.
        
        “Once you read his reasoning, then a lot of things become clear. It would be wrong of me and indeed it would be wrong of anybody to second-guess the judge, because he had the opportunity to hear the evidence and make the evaluation and step through the process.
        
        “I don’t know what I’d do, because I don’t have all of the information that he has.”
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11718584
        
        Once again, I suggest we wait to see what the Solicitor-General has to say.
        
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        September 29, 2016 1:58pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        The SG has spoken.
        
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        September 29, 2016 5:18pm
    - Garbageman
      
      arnt they all ex lawyers – if so nuff said
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:56am
  - peterwn
    
    The judge in his sentencing notes made no reference to higher court decisions on ‘discharge without conviction’ – that is the part that would have been of interest. There is nothing in the notes that adequately explains why a ‘discharge without conviction’ was warranted when people had been seriously hurt by his actions.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:41am
- ross411
  
  That article, was basically saying punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Which to me read like, a rugby player shouldn’t have their reputation and career jeopardized just be cause they beat someone senseless, because rugby players are more important.
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:16am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I am glad to see common sense has finally prevailed. Some highly paid lawyers will say this proves the system works. How would it be if the medical profession worked like that – a competent doctor fixing up an incompetent ones stuff ups.
  
  If Davidson DCJ had a degree of common sense this would not have happened. If the system worked he would be asked for his resignation.
  
  Police to appeal Losi Filipo sentence
  
  http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11719370
  
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  September 29, 2016 3:29pm
Manolo

Germany is starting to harvest the benefit of opening its doors to the hordes of enlightened Muslims:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811251/Knife-wielding-refugee-shot-dead-German-police-screaming-not-survive-lunging-migrant-sexually-abused-eight-year-old-daughter.html

German police have shot dead a refugee who tried to avenge his eight-year-old daughter after she was allegedly sexually abused by another migrant in the camp they shared.

Detectives in Berlin were leading a 27-year-old suspect away in handcuffs when the girl’s father, 29, ran at him with a knife screaming: ‘You will not survive!’
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September 29, 2016 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  And Austria.
  
  “A forecast for 2017 results in an increase of 35 percent in social benefits since 2014, the year before the outbreak of the refugee crisis. Without the newly arrived migrants the raise in social benefits would only be 15 percent according to the institute.”
  
  https://www.thelocal.at/20160927/immigration-to-cause-massive-increase-in-benefit-costs
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:57am
- AgentBallSack
  
  They shot dead the wrong one. I would at least have wounded the chomo in the crossfire.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:04am
- mara
  
  Trouble is, they shot the wrong person.
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:16am
  - ross411
    
    The sad question is, if they shot them all, will the country be better off in the long term?
    
    Note that I am not advocating shooting them, merely questioning the long term effect of incorporating religious fanatics who have recently shown violent and sexual proclivities, and who will likely not integrate as non-muslim might.
    
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    September 29, 2016 11:18am
flipper

Newt Gingrich on the “intellectual yet idiot” (IYI) class.

One has to say that the NZ media is chocker with them. And it is frequently the omissions that are more telling and supportive of that view rather than arguments (most specious) advanced in support of their wishful thinking.

Gingrich explains…..

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/09/27/newt-gingrich-trump-won-debate-dont-believe-intellectual-yet-idiot-class.html
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September 29, 2016 8:17am
- Griff
  
  “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
  Isaac Asimov
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    This could equally apply to political correctness and “Diversity”.
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:34am
  - Icarus
    
    Yes just look at those anti technology luddites telling us the world is ending unless we walk everywhere and live in straw huts.
    
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    September 29, 2016 5:00pm
- ross411
  
  I didn’t watch the debate, and can’t judge if Gingrich is fairly representing his own views, but he made a lot of sense.
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:33am
pdm

Chuck Bird 8.10

Apart from your word how can we get confirmation that those notes are genuine?
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September 29, 2016 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here are the Judge’s sentencing notes
  
  https://www.scribd.com/document/325434267/Losi-Filipo-sentencing-notes#from_embed
  
  Chuck Bird has transcribed the 4 paragraphs correctly.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks Maggy
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:47am
  - Jack5
    
    The notes are interesting Maggy.
    
    They include as a mitigating factor the fact that the thug was willing to undergo restorative justice. That seems stupid to me. Who wouldn’t want to undergo it if this meant a lighter sentence? If you choose a lighter sentece, that’s a mitigating factor?
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:35am
- Chuck Bird
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/84686129/assault-victim-calls-for-wellington-rugby-to-drop-losi-filipo
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:45am
Paulus Gnome

Quote of the day from a Barfoot & Thompson real estate agent on the North Shore who did not get a listing:

‘We like all sellers in this market are enjoying the 16% increase as it is not always the case for agents and it is unbelievable that someone who is raking in an amount of money on a house sale should begrudge us a small slice of the action.’

Nothing like the smell of entitlement in the morning (with apologies to the late great Robin Williams)
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September 29, 2016 8:17am
- Garbageman
  
  No surprises there Paulus vile creatures that they are, I have sold both my houses privately and take great joy in informing agents that I didn’t work all my life for someone with a cheap suit & leased car to bludge my hard earned coin
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:07am
Dave Mann

Syria. I’ve just watched ‘What’s really happening in Syria’ on YouTube where ‘Syrian Girl’ gives an explanation of the US vs. Russia proxy war there. She claims that the US is supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda in an attempt to aid in the establishment of a Kurdish state (presumably to act as a buffer and US client in the whole region).

It really seems to me that America has a romanticized notion that their form of government should prevail worldwide and they are prepared to unleash all sorts of hell to overthrow dictators (like Sadam and now Assad) to ensure that the people get ‘democracy’ with no regard to the consequences. Well, guess what… some people don’t want ‘democracy’ and its not a viable governmental system for their cultures: they just don’t function like that. They want and need strong dictators otherwise they run riot (literally).

Anyway, if you can ignore the extremely sexy lips of this ‘Syrian Girl’ and listen to the content, she gives an interesting account of the recent ceasefire breakdown on YouTube here:

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwik7MeA4bLPAhXJmZQKHb-mC0cQtwIIGjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOJZRvp6w4wc&usg=AFQjCNG4TKK7Sb4n6Yg9aJSB33k8HshHJA&sig2=Rc6yXpx7dyEpizoGHss97A&bvm=bv.134052249,d.dGo
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September 29, 2016 8:29am
- Scott
  
  Couldn’t agree more Dave. The US under Obama and also to be fair under George Bush, seem to want to export democracy to these Middle East nations.
  
  The problem is that these nations have no concept of democracy, no tradition of democracy, it is not part of their thinking at all.
  
  So the US goes around unseating these dictators, the guy in Egypt, the guy in Libya, the guy in Iraq and now they want to unseat the guy in Syria. Then if they do unseat these guys they hold an election and go hey presto its democracy, everything will now be all good.
  
  Well guess what? The new democracy promptly elects an Islamic leader who proceeds to institute sharia law and that’s the end of democracy.
  
  I know you won’t agree with me at this point but I would say the problem is at the deeper level of religion. In the West we have the tradition of Christianity and the example of Greek democracy which means that we understand the principles of democratic rule. For Muslims they believe that God sits there alone, he is a kind of strong man who controls everything. Therefore based on their theology they gravitate naturally to a strongman who will rule them strongly and that’s the government they will accept.
  
  So the best you can expect in a Muslim nation is a strongman who will run the country reasonably harshly but is not a Muslim fundamentalist. The idea that you can have democracy given their deeply Islamic mindset is just ridiculous.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:53am
  - Kimbo
    
    For Muslims they believe that God sits there alone, he is a kind of strong man who controls everything.
    
    Sounds like the orthodox Judaeo–Christian view of God/Yahweh, who sits enthroned in the third heaven above the dome that restrains the waters above the earth, and who created the “heavens and the earth” unopposed and with meaning and purpose, and who also continues to rule it, u.e., not absenting himself as per Deism.
    
    Is called the “doctrine of transcendence”, i.e., God is separate from the creation, not part of it as with animists and pagans (and in a different way, Hindus and Buddhists)
    
    Or do you mean that for Muslims Allah is sooo transcendent, he has no capacity for the balancing doctrine of immanence, i.e, the capacity and willingness to draw near and engage with his created order, as with the Exodus and succeeding preservation of his holy people, Israel, and culminating (from a Christian perspective) with the Incarnation, Life, Death, Resurrection and Ascension of his Son, Jesus Christ?
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:34am
  - Kimbo
    
    I think you are misapplying Muslim theology, or at least you are looking in the wrong place. Leaving aside the historical factors (Mongol invasions, missing the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment, and then Western colonisation). It is not the doctrine of God “ruling as a strong man” as such. Jews and Christians also believe in the “end of the age” and final judgement, when God will impose his rule perfectly on the earth.
    
    The real defining and separating issue is “what about before then?”. Orthodox Jews, like Muslims with Sharia, view the Torah as a perfect expression of God’s will. However, they don’t necessarily see (biblical) Israel as the earthly means of imposing that, plus their Scriptures, particularly the Books of Judges to Chronicles, and also the Prophets portray Israel as a very fallible institution, At the end of the Old Testament/Tanakh you are left asking “these weak unfaithful people seem incapable of living as Yahweh intended, so when is he going to do something to transform them?”
    
    Christianity goes a step further and says that Torah is not the ultimate word in God’s intention for the world – indeed, due to human weakness it is incapable of sufficiently transforming human nature and behaviour. Instead, it offers Christ and the succeeding ministry of the Holy Spirit. So when it comes to politics, as per the development of the Early Chrurch, and post-Christendom, it is not necessary to occupy Caesar’s throne, let alone enjoy his favour – or even freedom from persecution.
    
    Islam, however, sees Sharia as the pinnacle of Allah’s intent, and as there is precious little canonical “after-story” showing how human nature can and easily does pervert spiritual goals the Muslim is left with the political, social and religious mandate – impose this, by persuasion if possible, by conquest if necessary. Hence you need a strong man to do it.
    
    Very simplistic, but that would be where I would put the difference in the (now post-) Christian world’s ability to develop democracy and why it seems to find stony ground in the Muslim world.
    
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    September 29, 2016 10:02am
- stephieboy
  
  David Mann,
  
  Syrian Girl Partisan :
  
  Staunchly pro-Assad , NWO, anti-Zionist and Conspiracy theorist , Claimed that the Ebola Virus was manufactured by the Global elite . Attracted attention of Alex Jones and appears on his Infowars .
  
  Unsurprisingly she is a Trump supporter.
  
  Enough said !
  
  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/SyrianGirlPartisan
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:05am
  - Andrei
    
    Unsurprisingly she is a Trump supporter
    
    Do you know why she is called Syrian girl Stephieboy?
    
    Because she is a Syrian, a Sunni Muslim in fact, and therefore does not get to vote in the US election
    
    You are so pathetic mate – when you hear things you don’t want to hear you attack the messenger and do not debate the topic.
    
    Fact: Bashir al Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria and the Americans actions in Syria are a violation of International Law
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      Andrei , she may well be a Sunni Muslim and I understand she is, in fact, an Australian Citizen as well as an Assad stooge !
      
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/17/the-kardashian-look-a-like-trolling-for-assad.html
      
      Not sure if she has got a green card etc but you might be able to clarify ?
      
      Violation of what international law ?
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:41am
      - Andrei
        
        Read the UN charter you dumb bunny.
        
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        September 29, 2016 10:01am
  - lilman
    
    I hope Trump gets in just to see the left squirm.
    Was at a diner last night and heard 3 people give it to Trump based on race,money experience and honesty .
    They were very quiet when the other 5 supported him and gave reasons that they simply had too agree was fair and balanced.
    Still laughing today.
    
    Drones forever !!!!!!!
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:41am
- kowtow
  
  And Gaddafi. Look at the mess we made of Libya. Cameron, Hollande ,Obumbler and others should hang as major war criminals. But the propaganda machine run from the WH has all sights set on Putin , and the “free press” of the west plays along, amazing.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:05am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow , the US sought approval and support from both the UN security council including very importantly the bipartisan support of Congress and got it !
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:25am
- Komata
  
  Dave Mann: FWIW, many years ago (as the vietnam action was slowly emerging into public view) when discussing the differences between the emerging American Empire and the expiring British one, it was put to me that the difference was essentially one of ‘attitude’. The British Empire was (in analogy) an older gentleman who had seen a lot of life and, by experience, had learnt what actually worked and what didn’t. In his ‘retirement’ the Empire was slowly being ‘given away’. The Americans, by contrast, were likened to an 18-year old teenager, who thought he knew it all (and was, indeed, quite CERTAIN that he knew it all), and acted accordingly. Under this scenario, (and based only on what he knew), to America. ‘Democracy’ (the US version) was so good and wonderful EVERYONE (especially his ‘friends’) just had to have it as well!! It didn’t matter that ‘Democracy’ (the US version) may not actually ‘suitable’ or even wanted by the ‘locals’, they were going to have it ‘ANYWAY’ , like it or not. Indeed, NOT to have it was to show that the ‘friend’ actually wasn’t, and he would automatically become an enemy. As with most teenagers, when the ‘imposition’ was inevitably rejected he (the USA) reacted very, very negatively and became extremely vengeful. At the time of this discussion, events were unwinding in Laos and Cambodia and the analogy seemed appropriate, especially as ‘the older gentleman’ previously referred-to had achieved essentially the same result (without the carnage) in Malaya (although events in ‘British’ East Africa didn’t exactly fit the proferred narrative). Some 50 years on, the analogy of the ‘Teenager’ still seems appropriate and relevant; time may have passed, but the desire to impose ‘Democracy’ (US-style) still seems to be paramount. On present evidence, it doesn’t seem likely to change anytime soon…
  
  As I said, FWIW.
  
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  September 29, 2016 2:57pm
Happychappy

So after a good poll result from Roy Morgan the Labour Party have decided to play poker with Auckland and NZ voters by placing their racial profiller and chinky name producer as campaign chairman for the next election.Why would any foreign person living any where in NZ want to donate to Labour when there basic policy is racial discrimination to stop people that have moved to NZ for a better life from buying property
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September 29, 2016 8:31am
Nostradamus

Student auctions her virginity online to pay tuition fees

A young student who has never had sex is selling her virginity to raise enough money to be able to study abroad.

Bidders in the online auction can even get two virgins in one night if they also make an offer for the student’s best friend.

The opening bid: NZ$231,754. And you’ll have to travel to Russia (flight costs not included in bid).

But I want to make a serious point:

Ariana, 20, from Russia is auctioning her virginity on an escort website with bids starting at €150,000 (NZ$231,754).
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The website offers the possibility for people to bid for Lolita’s virginity alone or in combination with Ariana’s. … The minimum bid for 21-year-old Lolita is also set at £130,560 (NZ$233,956), but her reasons for offering herself online are currently unknown.

Can anyone see anything wrong (as in mathematically wrong) with the figures given? Yes, the NZ Herald has annotated a Daily Mail article, and made a pretty obvious currency conversion mistake.
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September 29, 2016 8:35am
- Scott
  
  I can see quite a few things wrong. The mathematics of currency conversion are the least of the wrongs in this whole sordid exercise.
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:55am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Scott:
    
    I understand your position – and wouldn’t want my daughter to offer herself up in a virginity auction. But as you know, sex sells, and so virginity auctions will inevitably make news headlines.
    
    This story – Christian Girl Auctions Off Virginity For Church Repairs – is equally wrong:
    
    When the Nashville Christian Church asked its members for donations to help fix a leaking roof, one of their followers dug deeper than others.
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    Miller had placed her virginity up for sale on the online auction site Ebay and the bids immediately started pouring in. Saudi billionaire Saad Hariri won the auction with a winning bid of $975,215.61.
    
    Miller spoke to CNN about the sexual encounter with the Saudi billionaire. “It was absolutely horrible,” Miller said. “It was really sweaty and there was lots of hair everywhere, but I was more than happy to do it for my church and for Jesus.”
    
    The church was more than happy to accept Miller’s generous donation; but when the following Sunday came, Sarah and her family were no longer allowed to attend services.
    
    There are so many things wrong here. First, the church accepted a $975,215.61 donation, knowing how it was obtained. Second, Sarah’s family disputed the ban, so presumably her parents condoned what she did. Third, she’s described as a “19-year-old unemployed college student”, so I imagine life will be challenging for her with this media publicity and uncertain job prospects.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:11am
    - Scott
      
      Nostradamus – presuming the story is true (and it seems incredible that it could be), I totally agree. Appalling behaviour all around. And if the church was happy about what she did and also accepted the money that’s bad as well.
      Hopefully the story is false? I cannot imagine a church condoning such a thing?
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:18am
    - mikenmild
      
      Undoubtedly a false story. No church leaders could be such hypocrites.
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:29am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Starts with a D and is prevalent (read predatory) in south Auckland
        
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        September 29, 2016 10:30am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  One is euros and the other is pounds.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:07am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Thanks Nigel – I stand corrected!
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:31am
wiseowl

Assad is not a dictator.He was democratically elected.
However I agree the yanks appear to be helping the rebels .The spin coming out of the USA at present is amazing.
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September 29, 2016 8:37am
- Dave Mann
  
  OK I take your point. Lets call him a ‘strongman’ then…. but we basically agree, I think ?
  
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  September 29, 2016 8:54am
- Happychappy
  
  A Tyr’ant would be more fitting for that arsole
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:26am
- mikenmild
  
  ‘Democratically elected’.
  Of course. With 89% of the vote, too. Can’t get too much more democratically elected than that.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:30am
- cha
  
  There’s nothing democratic about Al-Assad being elected president by unopposed ballot in a single-party police state.
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  September 29, 2016 7:00pm
stephieboy

A primer on Trump’s Foreign Policy the Iran Nuclear at one of his rallies

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

Trump’s simple message — “the Iran deal is bad for the United States” — was interrupted by musings on his uncle’s education, his own education, the power of nuclear energy, prisoners, the intelligence of women, and the negotiating prowess of Iranians, seemingly without rhyme or reason. Slate even called on the public to help diagram it.”

These kind of ramblings ( typical at his rallies ) don’t stack up to one on one debates and like his microphone Trumpists please don’t blame the Moderators !
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September 29, 2016 8:52am
stephieboy

Andrei , elaborate please backed up by evidence and facts ?
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September 29, 2016 8:54am
Griff

Cafes across the world are serving a very topical lunch – the Donald Trump sandwich. On boards outside the venues, they advertise it as having “white bread, full of baloney, with Russian dressing and a small pickle”.
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September 29, 2016 8:58am
- AgentBallSack
  
  They should follow it up with the Hillary burger. Full of dry old chicken, no flavour and impossible to swallow. Buy now and you receive a free 1TB thumb drive.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:07am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The Lettuce, Gherkin, Bacon and Tomato sandwich will leave a queer taste in your mouth.
  It is marketed as the LGBT sandwich.
  
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  September 29, 2016 1:50pm
Scott

Or stephieboy we could stick with Obama who is moderate, restrained, impeccably politically correct and very articulate. And he has been completely wrong on every foreign policy issue that he has touched.
Or we could go with Trump who is brash, outspoken, not politically correct and is offering a fresh approach.

It reminds me of World War II when the voice of reason was Neville Chamberlain. He was smart, he was restrained, he was sensible and he was popular amongst the ruling classes. Churchill on the other hand was brash and loud and lots of people didn’t like him.

But one person was right in World War II and one person was a complete failure. Sometimes desperate times require desperate measures. And with the world going to hell on a hand cart and Isis on the march everywhere these are desperate times. Tolerance in the face of great evil is not a virtue. Isis is evil and we should not tolerate their presence upon the earth.
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September 29, 2016 8:59am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott, and” bombing the shit out of ISIS ” is sound and reasoned military strategy ?
  
  Innocent civilian casualties as collateral damge don’t matter ?
  
  Churchill on Neville Chamberlain,
  
  ” It fell to Neville Chamberlain in one of the supreme crises of the world to be contradicted by events, to be disappointed in his hopes, and to be deceived and cheated by a wicked man. But what were these hopes in which he was disappointed? What were these wishes in which he was frustrated? What was that faith that was abused? They were surely among the most noble and benevolent instincts of the human heart-the love of peace, the toil for peace, the strife for peace, the pursuit of peace, even at great peril, and certainly to the utter disdain of popularity or clamour. Whatever else history may or may not say about these terrible, tremendous years, we can be sure that Neville Chamberlain acted with perfect sincerity according to his lights and strove to the utmost of his capacity and authority, which were powerful, to save the world from the awful, devastating struggle in which we are now engaged. This alone will stand him in good stead as far as what is called the verdict of history is concerned.”
  
  http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/28671
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:17am
  - Scott
    
    Stephieboy – I so hate to burst your bubble but the fact of the matter is that war is an aggressive and very unpleasant business. So the only thing to do if you have to go to war is to do it with all of your might, win the thing as quickly as possible and then peace will break out. Going on with half measures just prolongs the thing and makes it worse. So yes bomb the hell out of Isis. I would also say a couple of divisions of American ground troops going in would complete the job. You cannot let Isis carry on their wicked ways. Defeat them utterly and then the problem of Muslim terrorism would be far less around the world. At the moment Isis is the strong horse that is attracting heaps of terrorist wannabes who believe that Isis is winning.
    
    Once Isis is defeated and seen to be defeated then the problems of Muslim terrorism would be half of what they are now.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:23am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott , bombastic and inflammatory rhetoric is not a substitute for well thought out and reasoned military strategies which Trump conspicuously lacks.
      Is it ISIS terrorism or Muslim terrorism that Trump and you are fighting ?
      
      Are Kurds , Iraqi , Syrians, Turks etc fighting ISIS terrorists ?
      
      Make up your mind !
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:32am
    - mikenmild
      
      Sure. The obvious solution to the rise of a terrorist state in the wake on an American invasion would obviously have to be a bigger American invasion.
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:33am
      - Scott
        
        Mikey – do you actually believe what you write? You know that in 2010 when Obama inherited the situation in Iraq which everyone agreed was stable following the surge, Obama then decided to declare victory and bring all the troops home. That created the vacuum which allowed Isis to prosper. You knew that right?
        
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        September 29, 2016 9:47am
      - Griff
        
        You do know that the withdrawal of troops was agreed between the Iraq government and the bush administration dont you?
        
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        September 29, 2016 9:53am
      - mikenmild
        
        I’d be careful about assuming that Scott knows anything.
        
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        September 29, 2016 11:25am
  - Scott
    
    Sure Churchill was a classy guy and said good things of his opponent at the time. But the facts of the matter are still the same and you know that.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      And you claim the President is a Chamberlain is patently false !
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:33am
  - lilman
    
    Stephie if you truly believe that Mohammed will be a fair god and save the innocent lives that are lost then why worry?
    
    Dones are a gift from God ,are they not,under your beliefs?
    
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    September 29, 2016 11:22am
dime

im starting to think griff doesnt like donald trump..

i could be wrong though. lets see the tone of his next hundred trump posts.
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September 29, 2016 9:02am
- Simon
  
  Griff gets triggered easily. There are many others here who have been brain washed but he is a good eg.
  
  KB puts up a Donald Trump post and so many haters and boring blow hards are triggered. MSM in action.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:12am
Manolo

Griff is an irrepressible progressive, AGW zealot, and Clinton supporter. Another puff, man!
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September 29, 2016 9:03am
- Griff
  
  Dear dear Manolo
  If you dont support Trump you support Clinton .
  Black and white thinking along with the inability to string more than one sentence together is a sign of stupidity.
  One has to ask is your condition a result of fetal alcohol syndrome or is it self inflicted by excessive drinking since?
  Have yet another drink while you ponder your single sentence reply.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:15am
Manolo

The incompetent Messiah is slapped by Congress:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/28/overruled-congress-soundly-rejects-obamas-veto-of-911-bill/

After a series of impassioned floor speeches Wednesday morning, both the U.S. Senate and House acted with sweeping bipartisan comity, rejecting the president’s opposition to a bill that allows the families of American victims of the 9/11 attacks to sue the government of Saudi Arabia.
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September 29, 2016 9:07am
big bruv

More on the evil that is the Catholic Church.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/on-the-trail-of-a-predator/story-e6frg8h6-1226667668803
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September 29, 2016 9:08am
stephieboy

Manolo, and you are an irrepressible Trump makeup attendant .

Scott and yourself care to unpack and analyses his policy on the Iran Nuclear deal based on his above speech ?
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September 29, 2016 9:11am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Still judging people by the colour of their skin stephie? A post you made me yesterday had me thinking. You described Obama as “the first African American President”
  
  So I decided I would rank him on those qualities-:
  
  As an African American man he gets a solid 9/10. He hasnt killed anyone (that we know of) and he looks after his family, despite being a filthy smoker.
  
  As President he gets a sad 1/10
  None of his policies have worked, he has increased racial hatred, firearms sales and escalated the wars in the middle east.
  
  (In four years time I may strip Hillary down too.)
  
  Also being an African American isn’t a quality, it’s just a fact. Only racists like you feel the need to mention it. The rest of us just call him the President.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:33am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, it is beyond the powers of an African American President to wipe clean generations and generations of racial prejudice and hatred such as yours.
    
    He has not dragged the US with boots on the ground 2003 Iraq invasion style . It’s not his fault that NRA and the GOP insist the US is awash with assault and sundry weapons that anyone like Omar Mateen, can casually purchase .
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:51am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Why the need for the qualifier “African American”? The correct term would be Mulatto by the way. And there’s a damn good reason people are feeling scared and buying weapons. Under Obama interracial relations has plummeted to an all time low.
      
      With the fear that’s constantly awash and instigated by the liberal SJW media, people are rightfully feeling worried.
      #BLM
      
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      September 29, 2016 9:57am
  - Manolo
    
    stephieboy is condescending towards dark-skinned people, who he feels must be helped at any cost.
    
    Yes, you can say he is a racist of the “progressive” kind.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:54am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      He seems to point it out a lot about Obama. Funnily enough, I never see him describe other people as “The Maori Meteria Turei”, “That Jewish John Key”, “Ex Young Republican President and Good Old Girl from the South, Hillary Clinton”.
      
      Strange.
      
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      September 29, 2016 10:04am
  - Gabby
    
    ‘The rest of us’, icky wusses excepted.
    
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    September 29, 2016 1:09pm
  - Komata
    
    ABS
    Ummmm, there is a very slight problem with Stephie’s statement that ‘…Obama as “the first African American President’. Obama (or whatever his name actually is) is NOT a ‘pure’ ‘African American. His mother was actually ‘white’! Now while this could be a situation similar to that which we have in NZ where anyone with even a single drop of ‘Maori’ blood in their veins can call themselves ‘Maori’, purely in the interest of accuracy, I would suggest that Stephie is incorrect. On that basis you may care to reconsider and modify your comment ‘As an African American man he gets a solid 9/10’. Since he is actually not a ‘real’ African American man he should perhaps be rated somewhat lower than the 9/10 you have given. The fact that Mr Obama deliberately presents himself as being ‘black’ when he is demonstrably not, would seem to strongly indicate that he is lying, so perhaps that fact should also need to be considered, were you to decide to reconsider your assessment.
    
    Just saying, FWIW.
    
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    September 29, 2016 3:18pm
- Scott
  
  Happy to stephieboy. Obama negotiated a tough deal with Iran which gave them at least 24 hours notice before site inspections, left some sites completely untouched and un-available to inspectors and Iran has promised to not develop nuclear weapons, at least for a while. In exchange for Iran’s “word” Obama has let all of the sanctions go thereby giving Iran a funds boost of 1 to $2 billion and he has paid them ransom money in exchange for hostages.
  Iran now has the money they need to develop all the weapons they want in secret sites which are not open to inspection. They also continue to support terrorism all around the Middle East and the world. They also continue to acts belligerently against the USA including the humiliating act of forcing US sailors to abase themselves and kneel before their captors. They still call the USA the great Satan and children in Iran continue to begin their day by chanting death to America and death to Israel.
  
  But in exchange Obama is able to wave around a piece of paper called the Iran nuclear deal and declare peace in our time.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:55am
Inandout

The Maori Industry will not be happy some ‘racist’ is questioning their divine right to privileged voting rights on councils. The special people have enjoyed overwhelming pandering from National and there is deep disquiet amongst the voting base. Key’s continual servility when dealing with iwi matters is puzzling; perhaps it stems from living in sumptuous, and isolated from reality Parnell.
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September 29, 2016 9:11am
- dave_c_
  
  At least Key is being consistent (at the behest of his NWO masters) Just look at the privileged position the invaders of Europe (and especially Germany) hold.
  Preferential treatment to ease their ‘integration’. All part of the plan
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:41am
Chuck Bird

It is good to see Don Brash is holding National to account.

Don Brash backs Winston Peters to end Maori ‘separatism’

http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/don-brash-backs-winston-peters-to-end-maori-separatism-2016092908
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September 29, 2016 9:14am
- big bruv
  
  I might just hold my nose and vote for Peters next year.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:20am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, but he’s a former Auckland Maori rugby rep, bb! From the “bad old days” of the 1970s with all those “skeletons in the rugby cupboard” you keep on hinting about 😉
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:24am
  - dime
    
    im 50/50 between him od seymour.
    
    still offended seymour called people like me xenophobes cause we say we arent big fans of muslim refugees!
    
    that screams libertarian idealogue.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:34am
    - Inandout
      
      Winnie would regard Seymour as a poly still in nappies. Peters has been in parliament longer than Seymour has existed, and consequently he has dirt on many past and some current MPs.
      
      “Shake with your right hand, but hold a rock in your left”
      Frank Underwood
      
      That is Winston Peters.
      
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      September 29, 2016 10:09am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Epsom is 40% asian. You don’t shit where you eat.
      
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      September 29, 2016 11:05am
      - dime
        
        not sure asians qualify as muslim immigrants.
        
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        September 29, 2016 11:37am
  - Manolo
    
    Agree. Something I thought I would never do has become a distinct possibility.
    
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    September 29, 2016 9:50am
  - doggone7
    
    I’m sure he’ll hold his nose and accept it.
    
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    September 29, 2016 11:56am
- Chuck Bird
  
  More details – link below.
  
  Brash says new anti-separatist campaign could donate to NZ First
  
  http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11719282
  
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  September 29, 2016 1:09pm
kowtow

AGW?

Here’s an item from the Gruaniad aboout a secret Cold War US facility in Greenland. The item warns of doomagedon , the headline evn mentions the receding ice. However the evidence cited in the story talks of the incredible amount of ice that has grown over the facility.The only melt is a forecast melt at the turn of the century…….don’t panic!

“Thus far their assumption has proven correct. Up to 12 metres deep at the time it was abandoned, the ice covering Camp Century has since thickened to around 35 metres and will continue to deepen for a while yet.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/27/receding-icecap-top-secret-us-nuclear-project-greenland-camp-century-project-iceworm
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September 29, 2016 9:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  how inconvenient
  
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  September 29, 2016 1:54pm
Paulus

Now that Tryhard has been appointed Overlord of the Labour Election committee what will little Angry do when Tryhard sets out the strategic policy for the election.
Tryhard is getting a lot of good MSM publicity, but he is not a Unionist, so I suppose it doesn’t matter at the present time.
With the sycophants lapping up his Overlordship, wishing to get recognised, it will encourage Tryhards movement towards the Leadership, now that Grunty appears to have fallen by the wayside with innocuous so called financial (expertise) balls ups.
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September 29, 2016 9:25am
- oldpark
  
  “Tryhard”, or is it “Lyhard”, is a failed Oxfam charity bludger. Seems there are easier pockets to pick by being an anti Chinese ratbag, and telling lies about what the Lie-bour /Green Party will do for housing if elected. The only thing Green/Liebour joined at the hip,will be to devastate the NZ Property market, and drive hard working mortgage payers into negitave equity.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:44am
Jack5

US Republicans go after Federal Reserve chairwoman Yellen.

Perhaps independent central banks aren’t so independent.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/federal-reserve-under-fire-for-ties-to-democrats
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September 29, 2016 9:28am
Manolo

He is a joke, so how can the clown Kerry threaten anyone?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITED_STATES_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-09-28-11-11-20

Secretary of State John Kerry threatened on Wednesday to end all cooperation between the United States and Russia to stop Syria’s civil war, unless Russian and Syrian government attacks on Aleppo end.
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September 29, 2016 10:07am
- Andrei
  
  They are panicking as the Syrian Government regains control of Aleppo
  
  I think these lunatics will start WW3 – I think they actually want it.
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:18am
- BananaLlama
  
  This is quite dangerous i hope it is just rhetoric.
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:25am
- tom hunter
  
  Dear god but that man is a fucking fool. But to be fair he’s simply carrying out the wishes of his master, Barack ODumbass, who has held firmly to the belief that “there is no military solution in Syria.”
  
  The Russians, Syrians and Iranians have never believed this is the case and are now proving it.
  
  What has cracked me up – in a black humour way – was how PBS was trumpeting the cease fire a couple of weeks ago. Basically it was put across as another great diplomatic triumph for Obama-Kerry, and I found myself just sitting there shaking my head, astounded that they could be so stupid and so naive about what the Russian-Assad negotiators were pulling on them.
  
  Nothing to be done now boys. Five years ago a no-fly zone would have worked, but red-lines were just words – and Vlad has taken you at your pussified worst.
  
  Oh, and for all the “peace” types and war-is-awful lefties who made such a meal of the Iraq invasion – this is what the world looks like when the fighter-bombers are controlled by someone other than the US. They could not give a shit about all the TV guilting and shaming, the heart-breaking images of broken children and the rest. That shit just does not work with Vlad and company, and I think CodePink and their allies know it, which is why they’ve hardly bothered protesting.
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:28am
  - Andrei
    
    Five years ago a no-fly zone would have worked,
    
    Like it worked in Libya – huh?
    
    You are so naive yourself Tom Hunter – the endgame of the USA has always been to destroy Syria.
    
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    September 29, 2016 10:36am
    - tom hunter
      
      Pfft – I wish. As someone who has very much wanted to see butcher Assad, with his Soviet backing and secret police groups, go down the toilet for two decades, the degree to which the USA supported this was as pathetic as Obama keeping silent while the so-called Green Revolution was crushed in Iran.
      
      If Assad had gone, Iran would have lost a valuable partner in crime. It would have weakened them a lot. That’s exactly what I’ve wanted for years.
      
      So I’m not coming at this from a Stephieboy-must-defend-Obama-at-all-costs viewpoint. I very much desired everything you’re opposed to – and I saw 5/8ths of fuck all support for that from Obama and company.
      
      All this shite spouted about the evil, secret machinations of the US in Syria is just a mish-mash of Russian propagandistic crap straight out of the Cold War, picking up the useful threads of NWO conspiracy nutters in the West. The Assad crime family created this situation the same way all dictators do, by fucking over his own people for decades. They owned this shit from day one, revolution and all.
      
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      September 29, 2016 10:49am
      - Andrei
        
        Do you really think that the USA’s endevours in the ME have been benign?
        
        FFS
        
        What has Iran done to you that is so worthy of a war that will kill millions?
        
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        September 29, 2016 11:11am
      - Andrei
        
        Let’s call a spade a spade Tom Hunter – the USA with its allies, those bastions of democracy Saudi Arabia and Qatar, has been sponsoring terrorism in Syria for five years.
        
        And when the legitimate Government of Syria has tried to deal with these, head lopping, liver eating barbarians complained about atrocities
        
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        September 29, 2016 11:20am
      - tom hunter
        
        Spoken exactly like the hardest of hard-line Leftists during the Iraq War that you supported.
        
        One of the screams was that a vast American invasion force would be dropping into Iran next, especially if the dreaded war monger McCain was elected.
        
        In vain did people like me point out that the two situations were different; that the terrain, geography and population size of Iran meant that any military attack would have to be much larger and would never work anyway. In vain was it pointed out that one could desire the destruction of the Ayatollah’s without having an invasion.
        
        The Iranian Shia “revolution” is dying slowly because the Iranian people are resisting it in all its’ forms, including the fact that they’re not having enough kids to supply all the soldiers the Ayatollah’s want. But the bastards are still are potential threat, with all their stupid religious and military posturing and their utter contempt for any rules or norms other than what they set for themselves, as has been the case since they invaded the US Embassy in 1979 and took hostages (technically an act of war).
        
        In any case, a man who certainly thinks they’re a serious potential military threat – Bibi Netanyahu – has developed quite a good, working relationship with your hero, Vlad. I’m sure that makes the Iranians and Assad more than a little uncomfortable – which I’m sure amuses Vlad greatly. I can very much see Vlad and Bibi being on the same page on a lot of ME issues, not to mention both being tough and smart-minded.
        
        But you can drop the implication that what Russia is doing in the ME has anything to do with ethics and morality either. And as for benign? Pfft!
        
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        September 29, 2016 11:27am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , open season for Russia and Syria on both Syrian Rebels and Syrians ?
  
  Andrei , the US and NATO start WW3 ? How and when ?
  
  You acknowledge that Syrian Girl Partisan Maram Susli born in Iraq and raised in Australia ?
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:01am
  - Andrei
    
    Where were you born and raised Stephieboy?
    
    And does where you were born and raised give you the superiority to pontificate on countries and lands far away that you have never even fucking been to and know nothing about?
    
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    September 29, 2016 11:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Andrei, I don’t think the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church would be impressed with your abuse and language skills .
      
      I would say few people here like All On Red , kowtow ,cmm, Manolo etc have also had the privilege of visiting Syria unlike obviously you ?
      
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      September 29, 2016 12:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        You seem to be unaware of the Russian language’s rich vocabulary
        of obscenities.
        Be assured Andrei’s use of “fucking” is very mild, indeed.
        
        http://home.uchicago.edu/~vfriedm/Articles/020Friedman79.pdf
        
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        September 29, 2016 6:59pm
Manolo

Disguised as a “refugee”, multiculturalism arrives in Greece:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811363/Pakistani-boy-gang-raped-Greek-migrant-camp-police.html

Four Pakistani teenagers have been arrested for allegedly gang-raping a 16-year-old boy in a Greek migrant camp and recording it on their mobile phones.

The 16 and 17-year-olds were detained at the Moira camp on the island of Lesbos on Sunday and now face felony rape and child pornography charges.
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September 29, 2016 10:21am
publicwatchdog

No posts or comments yet Kiwibloggers on this ground-breaking bribery and corruption trial currently happening at the Auckland High Court?

How big is this corruption ‘iceberg’ that is being exposed regarding contracting by Auckland Transport?

“Corruption at council widespread, says Crown”

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/matt-nippert/news/article.cfm?a_id=644&objectid=11717850

“….Yesterday, at the start of what is expected to be a seven-week trial at the High Court at Auckland, fringe mayoral candidate and self-styled anti-corruption campaigner Penny Bright sat for a while in the front row of the public gallery. …”

I’m the only Auckland Mayoral candidate who has been ‘blowing the whistle’ for years about, in my view, the corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’ at Auckland Council, and with Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs).

I’ve also attended 5 International Anti-Corruption Conferences, and put hundreds of hours into my one A4 page ‘Action Plan for transparency and accountability for local and central government and judiciary’.

Ask how many from mainstream media have asked for an interview with me, as an Auckland Mayoral candidate on this issue?

Yep – NONE.

In my view, the effective mainstream media manipulation of this 2016 Auckland Mayoral election, in order to help steer the majority of electors into voting for the candidate the major of BIG business (and commercial property developers) want you to have (Phil Goff), is simply beyond belief.

I’m a third-time Auckland Mayoral candidate, who polled 4th in the only poll that counts, the 2013 election with 12,723 votes.

Hardly ‘fringe’ Matt Nippert!

Unlike all the other 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidates, I’ve had 20 years experience in Auckland local government, as a full-time, self-funded ‘Public Watchdog’ community activist, helping to defend the public and the public interest.

I’m not doing this for the money.

Which arguably makes me VERY dangerous politically, because nobody ‘owns’ me.

If you want an Auckland Mayor with a proven track record of standing up to, in my view, the corrupt corporate 1% who are bleeding Auckland locals and local communities dry, it’s really simple.

MAYOR tick BRIGHT!

TICK it and FLICK it.

One little tick to help make history!

Time for an Auckland ‘BREXIT’ moment?

I think so.

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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September 29, 2016 10:31am
- Garbageman
  
  Hmmm what happened to the activist crap at the end Penny, u finally starting to realise people hate activists ? although I will give you kudos for not getting mixed up in that farce on stage recently, made your daily ramblings look normal
  
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  September 29, 2016 10:41am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away.
  Rubbish stays.
  I walk away
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:05am
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  I’m surprised you haven’t called for John Key to be charged with corruption. Surely, if we look hard enough in the right places, we’ll find a connection between Auckland Transport and Bank of America?
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:12am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Graham McCready is already looking into that Nostradamus. But Penny has more immediate and pressing legal issues to attend to, like the awarding of $7000 of costs to Auckland Council last week in the matter of Bright v Auckland Council, heard in the Auckland High Court on 7 September 2016:
    
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/2e/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/a4379663-d11f-40ef-881c-21ea3455e729/a4379663-d11f-40ef-881c-21ea3455e729.pdf
    
    Ms Bright’s debt to the Auckland Council must now be fast approaching $100,000, and that’s not taking interest into account. How can she have any legitimacy as a political candidate with a massive and obvious conflict of interest?
    
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    September 29, 2016 2:16pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Keeping Stock:
      
      Last night, quite coincidentally, I read •Bright v Auckland Council [2016] NZHC 1560 (11 July 2016) [the substantive decision] and •Bright v Auckland Council [2016] NZHC 2117 (7 September 2016) [the costs decision].
      
      The substantive decision is bad news for Penny. I reminded myself of what Penny said in her 12 questions interview: “I really enjoy court. I enjoy the opportunity to skewer those who have got me into court when they’re in the witness box”. Well, let’s say that Venning J skewered Penny.
      
      Smackdown 1:
      
      Ms Bright also sought to adduce further evidence to support her appeal. She sought to file an affidavit which attached a submission she had made to the Local Government and Environment Select Committee. The affidavit also referred to and attached correspondence confirming her involvement with the World Justice Project, Rule of Law Index. … The proposed evidence is irrelevant to the matters in issue. Leave to adduce the further affidavit evidence is declined.
      
      Smackdown 2:
      
      To the extent Ms Bright considers that the Public Records Act has anything to do with this appeal, she is simply wrong.
      
      Smackdown 3:
      
      Ms Bright next referred to the rates postponement issue and the fact that she had attended a meeting of the governing body of the Council and made submissions to that body. … The Council has not agreed to a rates postponement.
      
      Smackdown 4:
      
      None of the issues that Ms Bright raise amount to a defence to the Council’s claim for rates. Ms Bright may wish to make a point about the Council’s obligations under the Public Records Act and the Local Government Act, but these proceedings are not an appropriate vehicle to do so. Ms Bright, like other ratepayers, has an obligation to pay the rates that have been validly assessed as payable by her. Her refusal to do so simply increases the administration costs of the Council.
      
      Then, as you rightly point out, Venning J slapped her with a $7,080.00 costs order.
      
      Penny prattles on about conflicts of interest – her ongoing crusade against Auckland Council, and the significant judgment debt payable, has to be a material conflict of interest.
      
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      September 29, 2016 2:49pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Hardly ‘fringe’ Matt Nippert!
  
  Probably wasn’t allowed to print ‘nutjob’ Penny.
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:13am
  - Happychappy
    
    Two people suited to each other neither are squeaky clean and both with major skeletons under their beds
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:27pm
- starboard
  
  Pass me that bong when you’ve finished Pen, you’re hogging it again..
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:34am
- wiseowl
  
  ‘nobody owns me’
  You’ve been listening to Trumpy!
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Is whoever at Auckland Council responsible for collecting your rates arrears guilty of corruption for failing to do so?
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:49pm
- mikenmild
  
  Penny
  How the hell did you spend ‘hundreds of hours’ to produce one A4 sheet of paper?
  
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  September 29, 2016 3:14pm
Morrissey

The longest 90 minutes of Donald J. Trump’s life condensed to 24 seconds:
Hillary’s dressed as a man in this clip…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZibpW2NxGWc
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September 29, 2016 10:49am
Manolo

Who remembers the cries of “oil at $200 per barrell” from the communist Norman, now Greenpeace boss?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/28/oil-bankruptcies-100-down-maybe-100-more-to-go.html

Roughly 100 North American oil and gas companies have filed for bankruptcy since the start of a two-year oil price rout, and the industry may be only halfway done, according to restructuring specialists.

The crude glut has persisted longer than many thought, and the prolonged oversupply has kept prices stuck in the $40 to $50 range for much of the year.
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September 29, 2016 11:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  They’ll be back. Meanwhile in Saudi Arabia they have cut wages and salaries across the Nation by 10%. Good job.
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:09pm
AgentBallSack

Great, someone left the door to the nuthouse open again.
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September 29, 2016 11:10am
- Morrissey
  
  And this is what we saw through that nuthouse door….
  
  http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/56feb17752bcd01b008ba4e8-480/donald-trump.jpg
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:24am
Morrissey

Horrifying thought experiment: Imagine if “Sir” Robert Jones was a woman. I believe she would be pretty much like THIS woman….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/82811152/passenger-slaps-flight-attendant-because-she-wouldnt-carry-her-bag
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September 29, 2016 11:11am
Fletch

If you go by the unofficial polling on Twitter – ABC, Fox, CNBC, C-Span, Politico, CBS – then Trump won the debate.

https://twitter.com/brian7280/status/780797797851287552/photo/1

CNBC, and Time Magazine online polls also show Trump as winning the debate.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/27/cnbc-time-magazine-online-polls-say-donald-trump-w/
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September 29, 2016 11:30am
- Morrissey
  
  You’re delusional Fletch.
  
  http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/55918b77ecad04a3465a0a63/nbc-fires-donald-trump-after-he-calls-mexicans-rapists-and-drug-runners.jpg
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sure Morrissey, the Mexicans who are smuggling the drugs, raping the female illegal immigrants they smuggle, cutting off heads of rivals, murdering ranchers, doing the home invasions on both sides of the borders, having massive firefights with the Police are all just a conspiracy.
    What an idiot.
    It’s no surprise that the Mexicans near the border want to see the wall go up.
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:00pm
    - Morrissey
      
      All_on_Red,
      
      As a fan of satire and black comedy, I appreciate our comical little fantasy about Mexicans. I especially like the bit about Mexicans who “want to see the wall go up.”
      
      Comedy gold! Keep it up, my friend.
      
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      September 29, 2016 12:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh, Morrissey , we are always amused here by your ignorant little diatribes.
        Is it Dole Day today? Shouldn’t losers like you be off to collect it.
        
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        September 29, 2016 12:10pm
      - Manolo
        
        Why did you leave The sub-Standard fetid swamp? Or were you banned? Don’t they miss you there?
        
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        September 29, 2016 12:18pm
  - starboard
    
    How long have you been out on parole Morrissey?
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:35pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  All those sites were raided by 4Chan to give the impression The Don won.
  Not sure how many votes were cast in jest but I would say quite a few thousand.
  
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  September 29, 2016 11:56am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Time had 800,000 votes cast.
    I think CNBC was 400,000
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  This item alerts to how online and twitter polls can be skewed stacked with ideologically inclined votes whether Trump/ alt-right or Clinton Supporters .
  
  Their CNN poll suggests that Clinton won the debate ,
  
  http://mashable.com/2016/09/27/online-polls-tell-different-story-debate/#x4Rt3lR__Zqx
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:25pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lol, Stephie talks about skewed Polls and then refers to one done by the Clinton News Network.
    Now that’s funny.
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:36pm
starboard

“Take care when opening, image may induce vomiting, cold sweats and nightmares”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84771857/helen-clarks-chances-at-the-un-take-a-hit.

Heh heh..*snigger chuckle *
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September 29, 2016 11:33am
- stigie
  
  Well Starbored, i thought back in 2005 she had her teeth straightened perfectly….What’s Happened..?
  
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  September 29, 2016 1:29pm
  - starboard
    
    Photo-shopped stigie but at the end of the day you cant make silk out of a sours ear can you.
    
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    September 29, 2016 1:33pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    I’d say she’s been too busy campaigning to be UN Secretary-General to worry about dental treatment.
    
    Which reminds me of the Hairy Maclary piss-take from a few years back. Based on Don Brash and Helen Clark and with the classic lines: “Helen Clark. Teeth like a shark” and “Hairy Maclary. From Donaldson’s dairy”.
    
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    September 29, 2016 1:53pm
Morrissey

In spite of what many people believe, there ARE some honest right wing people. Here are six of them….

6 Conservative Talking Heads Who Say Trump Bombed
Not even their hate for Hillary can compel these conservatives to say Trump won the debate.
by ELIZABETH PREZA, AlterNet, 27 September 2016

Donald Trump’s debate performance was bad; so says the consensus among even casual political observers who last night witnessed the GOP candidate hold his ground about 10 minutes before sinking into a pool of Rosie O’Donnell insults and begging Sean Hannity for a life preserver.

Even conservative pundits, who have every reason to spin the GOP candidate’s debate performance into a sign that their bloviating demagogue is prepared to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world, are wringing their hands. While some of the more out-there right-wing thinkers (Hannity, everyone at Breitbart) insisted moderator Lester Holt was largely responsible for Trump’s poor debate performance, here are 6 conservative talking heads who thought Hillary Clinton trumped Trump. …..

Read more….
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/6-conservative-talking-heads-who-hated-trumps-debate-performace
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September 29, 2016 11:41am
- AgentBallSack
  
  In spite of what ~~many~~ some people believe, there ~~ARE some~~ aren’t any honest ~~right~~ left wing people.
  
  FIFYF. Finally
  
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  September 29, 2016 2:27pm
Stars And Stripes

Sir John Kirwan apologises to Losi Filipo victims ‘on behalf of all rugby people’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11719190

Oh John would you like to apologise for anything else while you are at it?.
How about for being a man maybe, or producing boring TV advertisements maybe.
For god sake that piece of rubbish Filipo needs to own his shit and people like you with empty gestures like this don’t help.
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September 29, 2016 12:02pm
- ross411
  
  A meaningless gesture of narcissism from someone who involves themselves in something that they are not otherwise meaningfully attached to.
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:10pm
- Kimbo
  
  But wait! It might placate and satisfy big bruv that the game has sufficiently transformed itself from the bad old days…
  
  Yeah, nah. As a prophetess for our age once opined, “haters gonna hate”
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:30pm
skyblue

How is the Green Energy ‘investment’ going in South Australia? A poster child for Green Energy? Of course the Greenies are blaming climate change for the lack of reliability of their green folly.
SA, most expensive and most unreliable energy in Australia.
Long may Old King Coal reign. Dirty BUT reliable.
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September 29, 2016 12:18pm
- kowtow
  
  Plentiful and cheap.
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:59pm
Manolo

Astonishing coincidence! Didn’t stephieboy say exactly the same? How could he be in the know? 😀
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/taliban-leaders-watched-us-presidential-debate-blast-non-serious-trump/ar-BBwKe76?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Taliban leaders followed the U.S. presidential debate closely but heard nothing on Afghanistan, a spokesman said on Wednesday, adding that they were not impressed by Republican candidate Donald Trump, whom they considered “non-serious”.
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September 29, 2016 12:37pm
kowtow

Sweden , the country that HC most admired. A multicultural haven of peace and civility. Interesting how the int’l MSM treat us to so many shooting incidents in the US of A, but not so much from the social democratic paradise of Sweden………

“While Sweden is generally a peaceful, safe country with low crime rates, police have had difficulty addressing violence in poorer neighbourhoods in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö.”

For “poorer” read immigrant.

https://www.thelocal.se/20160926/malm-gunfire-missed-child-by-centimetres
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September 29, 2016 1:02pm
AgentBallSack

stephieboy approved:

“Filipo was 17-years-old at the date of the offence, and the proposition was that he would not be able to work if convicted. We now discover you don’t work if the public don’t want you to. And is everybody happy with that? A 17-year-old with no other prospects, now not working.

“For young, brown young men sport is virtually the only chance to break out of bad circumstances and blah blah blah.” Robert Lithgow QC said.

“Black people” can do no wrong. They can murder rape and thieve at will and its all the colonizers fault.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/84774898/leading-defence-lawyers-defends-losi-filipos-discharge-without-conviction
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September 29, 2016 1:14pm
- MH
  
  They have some good league teams in most jails playing the Police and warders, never a Victim 13 though.
  
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  September 29, 2016 4:04pm
Manolo

Dangerous scum. How many of those are potential terrorists?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811211/Up-12-000-migrants-run-skipping-meeting-border-chiefs.html

More than 11,000 asylum seekers failed to turn up to their first meeting with border authorities, sparking costly attempts to track them down.

Figures released today show that of the 77,000 asylum seekers whose applications are currently being processed, 11,988 did not attend their first meeting.
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September 29, 2016 1:23pm
Manolo

Silencing the crook’s critics:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/26/top-rated-talk-show-host-michael-savage-pulled-off-air-discussing-hillarys-health/

Top rated radio talk show host Michael Savage was abruptly pulled off the air on Monday afternoon after launching into a segment on Hillary Clinton’s delicate health. The talker called his abrupt removal an act of “sabotage.”

Savage, host of the nationally syndicated The Savage Nation radio program, was discussing Hillary’s health and suggested she may have Parkinson’s disease when he was alerted that his show had been pulled from the air on New York’s WABC radio.

Not long after discovering he was pulled from WABC, as Savage was telling his audience what happened in New York, his live feed was suddenly cut off to many of his other affiliates and a replay of an earlier episode was substituted for the live feed.
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September 29, 2016 2:30pm
stephieboy

Manolo,

Manolo, somehow you have to stop this kind of ineptitude lazily repeating from the Gospel according to Breitbart without a fact check,

CLAIM: Radio personality Michael Savage was fired because he talked about Hillary Clinton’s health on the air.

MOSTLY FALSE

WHAT’S TRUE: Michael Savage’s nationally syndicated radio show was temporarily preempted by one station in favor of live, on-scene coverage of the 26 September 2016 presidential debate.

WHAT’S FALSE: Michael Savage was not fired or removed from the airwaves for discussing Hillary Clinton’s health.

http://www.snopes.com/michael-savage-removed/
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September 29, 2016 2:40pm
- rangitoto
  
  Snopes on political matters: Mostly False.
  
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  September 29, 2016 5:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Police to appeal Losi Filipo’s discharge without conviction
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11719370
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September 29, 2016 3:20pm
- thedavincimode
  
  And a big shout out to John Kirwan for apologising on behalf of all rugby people because this violent thug just happens to play rugby. Given this arsehole also punched the girl in the face, it’s a pity Kirwan didn’t also apologise on behalf of all males.
  
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  September 29, 2016 3:56pm
  - MH
    
    Yes, Cunliffe was a bit slow coming out on my behalf….
    
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    September 29, 2016 4:00pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      I think I know what you mean MH, but still, an edit might be in order …
      
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      September 29, 2016 4:02pm
      - MH
        
        David Cunliffe another person taking it upon himself to apologise on my behalf for being a man ? i.e we are rapists at heart.
        
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        September 29, 2016 4:26pm
- MH
  
  does conviction in this case mean the Police don’t really want to ?
  
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  September 29, 2016 3:58pm
  - Gabby
    
    They didn’t seem too bothered about the application to discharge. I guess it’s encouraging that they managed not to mislay the evidence before the trial.
    
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    September 29, 2016 7:28pm
- thedavincimode
  
  In fact, whilst we’re on the subject of apologies, can I apologise on behalf of all rugby people for Joe Karam boring us all senseless over DB, Stephen Pokere for being light-fingered … and on behalf of all cricket people for Bruce Taylor .. and … and …
  
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  September 29, 2016 4:00pm
dime

sweet mother of god:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11719218

A long-serving principal of an Auckland primary school has been censured for serious misconduct after he grabbed a 9-year-old boy by the collar and dragged him out of a hall.

the herald had this in bold:

‘I had to walk on my tippy toes’

HAHAHA oh you poor little delicate flower.

bet the kid was being a real shit head.

cant be assed reading the article. i hope for the kids sake the parents didnt go this teacher. if so, he will turn out a right little wanker.
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September 29, 2016 3:30pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Right little wanker? He already is. Not the first time either.
  
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  September 29, 2016 5:34pm
- Fletch
  
  Our family knew of a teacher years ago that grabbed a child’s jumper when he and another boy were fighting. It was enough to get him fired.
  
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  September 29, 2016 9:54pm
Ed Snack

Well, the lastest FBI release of documents has some tasty titbits.

1. Clinton had over 1,000 emails between herself (and staff presumably) and General Petraeus deleted and wiped. Since at the time Petraeus worked as Chief of Staff of the Army and then Director of the CIA, it hardly seems likely that these would be personal, no ?

2. Clinton swore on oath, under penalty of perjury if incorrect, before a federal judge, that she released all emails that were relevant. She lied didn’t she, she committed perjury. Scooter Libby was jailed for some time (later released but not pardoned) for less.

3. Obama said, on the record, that the first he knew of Clinton’s private server was from the news (he hears a lot of things that way). Turns out that he was sending emails to HRC at her private email address – and get this – under a pseudonym ! Another flat out liar.

Any Clinton supporter (or Obama supporter come to that) care to try to argue that these two weren’t lying, and that Clinton committed perjury before a federal judge ?

4. And now it is revealed that Cheryl Mills (who was for some reason not only granted immunity – the extent of which we don’t know but also permitted in complete contradiction to the bar rules to act as Clinton’s counsel in a matter that potentially criminally affects them both) computer contained classified documents that she was not cleared to see; and possession of such is a serious federal crime. It should also be noted that conversations that further a criminal conspiracy are NOT covered by lawyer/client confidentiality.

Why don’t the laws that apply to (nearly) everyone else in the USA apply to Hillary Clinton ? Anyone care to hazard a guess why ?
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September 29, 2016 3:33pm
- VicParking
  
  Because she is a dying old lady and only has six months to live.
  
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  September 29, 2016 4:24pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    We hope.
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:31pm
Komata

Ed

To answer your question: It all depends on whom you know; or what you have on them…
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September 29, 2016 3:42pm
Manolo

The Washington Post on the crooked Clintons:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/enabler-or-family-defender-how-hillary-clinton-responded-to-husbands-accusers/2016/09/28/58dad5d4-6fb1-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html
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September 29, 2016 4:22pm
BananaLlama

A whole month worth of polling gains for Trump down the drain. WOW. He better bust his chops and practice debating for the next two or he is toast.
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September 29, 2016 5:16pm
Icarus

Some sensible commentary amid the predicted hysterical media propaganda machine, post debate.

Because her lips were moving: Why Hillary lost the debate

American voters aren’t quite as stupid as Clinton (or the “insiders” at Politico) think, and as a slew of after-event polls showed, they weren’t falling for her lies about Trump, her phony statistics, or her breath-taking claim that life in America’s inner-cities has improved over the past twenty years

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/297996-because-her-lips-were-moving-why-hillary-lost-the
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September 29, 2016 5:27pm
MH

Latest news on Colin Craig – he has resumed his job as frontsperson on Flight Centre 0800 44 44 44…with diminished rank sans cap and no flight attendants at his side.
It’s got to be him right?
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September 29, 2016 5:32pm
- starboard
  
  Heh, Ive often thought that..the resemblance is scary.
  
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  September 29, 2016 7:08pm
Jack5

A Somali, a naturalised New Zealand citizen, has been jailed in Australia for attempting to join Muslim extremists in Syria.

At the end of his five-year sentence he will be deported – presumably to New Zealand. Our authorities – and all of us – need to keep a lookout for this dangerous idiot.

Let’s stop any more Muslims from settling in New Zealand.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/brainwashed-wouldbe-foreign-fighter-amin-mohamed-jailed-20160929-grr49a.html
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September 29, 2016 5:53pm
- Icarus
  
  How will you know they are Muslim ?
  
  We need to stop all people from some countries coming here, regardless of their religion. Somalians should be the first on the list.
  
  I am sure some are great people, but millions are brutal beasts.
  
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  September 29, 2016 6:01pm
- Manolo
  
  I reckon the world would be a much better place without a place like barbaric Somalia. Let the sands glow.
  
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  September 29, 2016 6:06pm
  - Griff
    
    Its those bloody Muslims manalcoholo.
    We should start by tuning the worlds largest Muslim nation to glass and work down .
    Of course we should export home any natives we have here first .
    
    Indonesia also has a larger Muslim population than any other country in the world, with approximately 202.9 million identifying themselves as Muslim
    
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    September 29, 2016 6:15pm
    - Icarus
      
      Glass is made from sand, not people, or religion, Griff.
      
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      September 29, 2016 6:20pm
  - Icarus
    
    Same story all over Obama’s cultural homeland. The only places that did any good were Libya and Egypt and Obama bombed them and supported the jihadist group Muslim Brotherhood.
    
    You can take the boy out of Africa, but you can’t take the Africa out of the boy.
    
    Obama has bought a little bit of Africa to the USA as blacks riot and slaughter whites and cops.
    
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163047
    
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    September 29, 2016 6:17pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I would like the name of the Immigration Officer who signed off on this guy.
  I would also like the names of the committee members who approved policies (rubber stamped by politicians) that enabled people like this man to be admitted to NZ.
  What would OSH say?
  
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  September 29, 2016 7:04pm
stigie

There will be someone on here who will feel for the poor beggar Jack..?
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September 29, 2016 6:04pm
wiseowl

Here’s another case .
Stuff reports of this creep Mazahrih that has been jailed for 26 months for sexual assault.

She says he is a ‘new ‘ New Zealander.

No he is not.
How come he is in the country?What’s his religion ?
Deport him .
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September 29, 2016 6:16pm
- Reid
  
  What if he’s Jewish? Do we still deport him?
  
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  September 29, 2016 6:39pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    If he’s not, we circumcise him them deport him to another Muslim country. I suggest Germany,
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:39pm
    - Icarus
      
      Both Jews and Muslims are circumcised for religious reasons.
      
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      September 30, 2016 1:07am
  - Jack5
    
    Mazahrih ain’t Jewish: he’s an Arab from Jordan.
    
    WTF are we taking in migrants from Jordan, which has a big population of Palestinians?
    
    One of the charges was “sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection”. Is that rape?
    
    Talk about a bleeding-heart judge. Here’s what she’s reported as saying:
    
    “You are still a relatively new New Zealander. There will have been some issues you have had to adjust to, coming to a new country to live.”
    
    Judge Clark ordered that Mazahrih pay $1500 in emotional harm reparation to his victim before sentencing him to 26 months in prison.
    
    On hearing this outcome, Mazahrih’s mother, who was seated in the public gallery, began wailing and attempting to clutch her son from behind the railing.
    
    “This, I know, will be very difficult for you,” the judge told him as he was led away to the courthouse cells.
    
    This pervert should be deported at the end of his sentence, but the bleeding hearts will likely be of the same fibre as the judge, and will probably let him stay. The Aussies now won’t let him into their country though.
    
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    September 30, 2016 12:57am
Reid

Scott Adams scores the debate.

mm apparently doesn’t like him. This may be because Dilbert’s humour is a bit too complicatated. mm doesn’t seem to like anything he doesn’t understand. Which is why he’s always so angry, isn’t it, mm.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151007796236/i-score-the-first-debate
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September 29, 2016 6:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  I think I have made it clear before that I enjoy Dilbert. I have a few of Adams’s books.
  He just has some kooky views as well, that’s all.
  
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  September 29, 2016 6:43pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m a fan of Wally, of course:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wally_Dilbert.jpg
  
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  September 29, 2016 6:46pm
  - SGA
    
    Wally is a truly inspiring individual.
    (I noticed that there is an embryonic anti-adverb movement on KB, so apologies if the “truly” offends 🙂 )
    
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    September 29, 2016 7:54pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Assuredly your offense has been surely noted and will be especially counted against you if you most certainly re-offend. But to be fair, you weren’t using the adverb “truly” to try and insist something was so when it wasn’t necessarily the case. Adverbs like “surely”, “undoubtedly” and “absolutely” were more the target of my beady eye. Instead, you were deepening your emphasis on “inspiring”.
      
      Actually, I noticed after calling Yoza out for using “surely” that I actually used “actually” a few posts later on the same thread!
      
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      September 29, 2016 8:09pm
      - Griff
        
        Did this imperative come from god kimbo?
        
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        September 29, 2016 8:21pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Griff
        
        No. It is Kimbo’s law – in blogworld the validity of an argument is in direct inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs.
        
        So for example, next time someone posts something to the effect of: –
        
        Surely global warming is an absolutely bogus theory that is certainly not true
        
        …you might want to ask what other purpose the adverbs serve, other than acting as rhetorical schills. Most indubitably! 😉
        
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        September 29, 2016 8:32pm
      - Griff
        
        ~~Actually~~ kimbo I do add needless adverbs frequently and are trying to reduce the incidence.
        Remember grammar Nazis are almost as bad as trolls.
        Don’t let the power go to your head .
        
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        September 29, 2016 8:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Is it an example of grammar Nazi? (Bugger, you’ve utterly Godwined us!) More rhetoric Nazi, surely? After all I’m not saying it is grammatically incorrect to use adverbs – sometimes jt is needless (which I don’t have an issue with, as such), but other times it is more – rhetorically deceit – which is my point.
        
        Ah, what the hell. All KB regulars know I’m an anal-retentive pedant 😉
        
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        September 29, 2016 8:59pm
      - nasska
        
        But at least you’re our very own ‘anal-retentive pedant’. ?
        
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        September 29, 2016 9:10pm
      - sam green
        
        Oh god – don’t mention the anal area. It’ll be all on for young and old.
        
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        September 30, 2016 8:49pm
Stars And Stripes

14yo arrested following carjacking in New Lynn
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=
“A 14-year-old boy is in police custody after he allegedly assaulted a 62 year old woman and stole her car outside a shopping centre in West Auckland”.

This is getting beyond a joke now and it’s about time one of these little brats and it’s parents were shot as society does not need trash like this.
He will get a family group conference and some counselling then business as usual.
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September 29, 2016 6:45pm
- Reid
  
  He just needs a big wrap-around hug S&S which I understand is the correct venacular from Paula.
  
  Too bad our media are so profoundly broken none of them think to ask how come over the years, as we’ve given more and more and more and more and more hugs things have, in fact, as reported by said media, got worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.
  
  It’s a riddle inside a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
  
  Isn’t it.
  
  BTW, have you ever compared the East India Company’s flag to the Stars and Stripes?
  
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  September 29, 2016 6:59pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Is youth crime on the increase?
    
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    September 29, 2016 7:01pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      What I know MM is the brazenness and sheer brutality of it certainly is.
      
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      September 29, 2016 7:09pm
    - Reid
      
      When old ladies get bashed up by young CHILDREN, not men, children mm, it’s time for society seriously to research the issue to understand why.
      
      I have an idea.
      
      Human nature takes advantage of situations. Life is meant to be hard because it teaches people things they wouldn’t otherwise learn which is life’s purpose: we’re here to learn. Humans learn by challenges, they don’t learn by removing challenges or making them so ridiculously easy no sense of accomplishment is gained by achieving them.
      
      The opposite of what I just said is the mindset of most people in Parliament and in govt bureacracy and education. This is why the fools in all those areas insist on giving them fish instead of teaching them, and don’t argue with that mm, because you know that’s precisely what they all in fact, do.
      
      And that poison, that cancer, is what generates disrespect like this.
      
      What fucks me off is people who adopt this mindset proceed to justify in their clearly tiny minds by pretending they’re the kind ones, they’re the ones that are helping. They’re so fucking stupid they have no idea they’re killing the patient.
      
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      September 29, 2016 7:13pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes agreed Reid everyone is just being to tough on these poor mislead children.
    As for the flag thing no but I will take a look.
    
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    September 29, 2016 7:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I think the flag thing probably indicates that the British Empire continued to run the US after the revolution. Or maybe the Jews…
      
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      September 29, 2016 7:18pm
  - Gabby
    
    That’s just the casual yanker attitude to other people’s intellectual property. They nicked the national anthem too.
    
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    September 29, 2016 7:35pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Reason number 45,998 why West Auckland is a place to avoid.
  Any guesses as to the ethnicity?
  
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  September 29, 2016 7:42pm
Stars And Stripes

Muslim woman Noor Tagouri in hijab to appear in Playboy
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11719423
“Playboy magazine is to publish photographs of a Muslim woman fully clothed and wearing a hijab.”

Apart from Stephieboy who has probably already ordered his copy will anyone buy this PC pandering nonsense?.
I know there won’t be many schoolboys getting their thrills over this anyway as anything not showing jugs or snatch in my day was a non starter.
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September 29, 2016 7:04pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Think of the free media publicity that Playboy has garnered over this stunt.
  
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  September 29, 2016 7:09pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Muslim woman Noor Tagouri in hijab to appear in Playboy”…..
  
  How will we know that it is Noor Tagouri?
  
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  September 29, 2016 7:23pm
  - Icarus
    
    How will you know its a woman ?
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:05pm
    - nasska
      
      Probably a picture of a woman’s face stapled to a sack of laundry. 🙂
      
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      September 29, 2016 8:10pm
      - Icarus
        
        We would have to get stephieboy in to be sure. He should be able to recognise his sister.
        
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        September 29, 2016 8:26pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Good question?
      All looked normal with this story as well till I looked at the family photo.
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/84645895/sudden-death-of-7yearold-west-coast-girl-likely-caused-by-undiagnosed-heart-condition
      
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      September 29, 2016 8:15pm
  - cha
    
    How will we know that it is Noor Tagouri?
    
    Who knows but I’d like to volunteer to find out.
    
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    September 29, 2016 8:26pm
    - stigie
      
      Dirty swine !~
      
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nasska

Q. What’s the difference between a feminist & a killer whale?
A. Twenty kilos & a flannel shirt.
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September 29, 2016 8:50pm
AgentBallSack

So its safe to assume that Playboy has been bought by Saudi Arabia and cohorts.

There’s a firm no clitoris edict.
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September 29, 2016 9:08pm
BeeSting

While Stephie is lecturing us on Ebola
and attempting to censure Syrian Girl

Let’s all watch a little clip on that
Whites Free Utopia called Liberia

That Whites free Utopia despite having cross dressing cannibals

also has

Has an Island for Disease Tested Chimps

Yes even Planet of the Apes did a documentary on it

Does Ebola thrive their because it is a backward
SH8t hole or did one of the disease tested chimps
get out??? who know who cares?

What I want to ask Stephie and anyone else can answer is these people have been free for a long time
and it looks like their state has not improved

IS THAT THE WHITE MAN’s FAULT???

Surely they would have created a new paradise by now – now they are free of the “White man”

https://youtu.be/69LDbyl4Xjs
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September 30, 2016 2:27am
- mikenmild
  
  Liberia is an interesting case. It was colonised, like the rest of Africa, but in this case it was colonised by free African-Americans. So its colonial experience was not that very different from the rest of Africa.
  The African-American elite remained in control until the 1970s or 1980s, after which the country was devastated by civil wars.
  
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  September 30, 2016 6:57am
  - Icarus
    
    Liberia is ~~an interesting~~ a basket case.
    
    Fixed it.
    
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    September 30, 2016 8:26pm
- sam green
  
  Errr. Wtf are you on about Beesting?
  
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  September 30, 2016 8:24pm
Manolo

Our resident Muslim apologist would claim these people are not true refugees:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813430/The-future-Iraq-death-Yazidi-family-fled-ISIS-document-harrowing-year-long-journey-land-sea-Germany-safe-happy-state-funded-apartment.html
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September 30, 2016 8:23am
Manolo

Will Mamma Merkel step in?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/pressure-seen-building-for-germany-to-rescue-deutsche-bank.html

Consequently, market talk intensified that it’s becoming time for the German government step in and assure investors that it will be at the ready to stabilize both Deutsche and the broader system — much along the lines of what U.S. officials had to do during the 2008 financial crisis.
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September 30, 2016 9:21am
Chuck Bird

I heard Grant Robertson on Paul Henry this morning refer to Don Brash as an irrelevant bigot because he supports any party that will hold a referendum on the retention of the racist Maori seats. Does he not realize is called the majority of voters bigots because they share the same view? This is also NZF policy so does he think Winston and those who might vote NZF bigots? Labour could do worse than Little for a leader.
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September 30, 2016 9:32am
Chuck Bird

Why has this teacher and her peadophile partner not been charged?

Teacher regrets relationship with 13yo

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11719567
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September 30, 2016 9:35am
- cha
  
  Why has this teacher and her peadophile partner not been charged
  
  There’s no mention of any sexual relationship so either you didn’t read the article or your frontal lobe’s melting.
  
  One or both?.
  
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  September 30, 2016 9:40am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    So you think grooming should not be a crime. You are the one who is sick.
    
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    September 30, 2016 9:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you have been following the Coroner’s inquest, you will see that the child’s mother believes there has been a serious conflict of interest concerning the police in this case.
  One of the investigating cops was the Chairman of the BOT at the Intermediate school where Beck (Mepham’s partner) taught.
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11704689
  
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  September 30, 2016 2:36pm
BeeSting

Liberia is an interesting case. It was colonised, like the rest of Africa, but in this case it was colonised by free African-Americans. So its colonial experience was not that very different from the rest of Africa.

<
Yes Correct and Now a "Free pretend African American" OBAMA or is his real name OSAMA
wants to colonise all of Europe.

What is happening in Europe today has been well documented and planned for many decades.

People say "White Genocide" is a "Conspiracy Theory" and if it is so….WHY? ? ?

Are there so many, many, many documents and plans outlining the methods of white Genocide like…

The Karlergi PLan
The Kaufman and Houton plans
and then that 1941 classic that basically started
the HoloCaust "Germany Must Perish"

Karlegi is particularly creepy

Links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

Available as a pdf
https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

Karlergi was one serious "Fruit Loop"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. …

< I would just like to add these people and their current supporters are more fanatical than any nationalist or old school national socialist, if you dare to even point out certain facts recorded in writing – they scream a bit like Triggly Puff

Right Wing Extremist Natzi and wait for it…
Racist ?

What has and was planned for Germany is now being implemented (with zeal) not just there but any other country with a population of white european people and i say people because we are people.

Syria was created among other things to implement the Karlergi plan for Europe anyone who can't see that VERY CLEAR FACT, is a RETARD.

This is also the plan for Australia and New Zealand
some parts of them are already almost and good as Liberia – but don't worry – give it time

Mass immigration – population replacement
– ethnic cleansing –
easier than starvation or a gas chamber.

Let's leave the supporters of all this to masterbate
over Aucklands projected "demographic maps"
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September 30, 2016 11:03am
- mikenmild
  
  Welcome to Kiwiblog, BeeSting. Before we commence some therapy, can I ask what medications you are currently taking?
  
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  September 30, 2016 12:42pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    mikenmild
    
    Welcome to Kiwiblog, BeeSting. Before we commence some therapy, can I ask what medications you are currently taking?
    
    Perhaps she stopped taking her meds?
    
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    September 30, 2016 1:45pm
Griff

The polling is in .
Trump is bombing after the debate in actual scientific polls not the self selecting ones we have seen Trumpies wank on about.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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September 30, 2016 12:34pm
- Gabby
  
  He needs better words. He had real good ones but I guess Crooked Hillary stole them. I don’t know.
  
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  September 30, 2016 1:47pm
- Scott Chris
  
  Griff the worrying thing is that there’s still a reasonable chance that a psychopathic orange-tinted man-child could be leader of the most powerful country in the world.
  
  Democracy is facing its toughest test ever. Will the lunatics take over the asylum?
  
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  September 30, 2016 1:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott Chris, this is where democracy faces one of its greatest tests ,
    
    there is overwhelming evidence that Russia has and continues to mount a cyber offensive that is trying to influence the outcome of the US Presidential election through hacked emails, stolen documents etc and even actual voting infrastructure designed to try and influence the outcome of the US election .
    
    Trump of course has moreoreless gone along with the intrusions with his effusive and high praise of Putin and of course goading him to continue the attacks .
    
    Now why is the Kremlin and Putin doing this ? Simply put is that the idea of open and free elections the heart of a liberal democracy goes against the regressive authoritarian aims and policies of Putin and his regime . Putin’s rapid rise to power can be attributed in part to the very same techniques he used against his political opponents putting his KGB training to good use .
    
    Much more here ,
    
    http://time.com/4512771/how-russia-wants-undermine-us-election/?xid=newsletter-brief
    
    Hopefully Hillary Clinton will be able to raise the issue in the next debate of Trump and his complicity ( by his own admission ) in the cyber attacks and hacking by Russian intelligence ,
    
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    September 30, 2016 2:03pm
  - Griff
    
    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
    
    Isaac Asimov
    
    “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
    
    ― George Carlin
    
    iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli / uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim / imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se / continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, / panem et circenses.
    
    (Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81)
    
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    September 30, 2016 2:11pm
stephieboy

BeeSting,

“..Mass immigration – population replacement
– ethnic cleansing –
easier than starvation or a gas chamber.

Let’s leave the supporters of all this to masterbate
over Aucklands projected “demographic maps”

Utter drivel based on what evidence ?

Mt Roskill the location for this population replacement and ethnic cleansing experiment ?

You being called in to substitute with 30 minutes to go kea, Kris X , Lego X II, Witness and Icarus ?
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September 30, 2016 1:55pm
Manolo

stephieboy will condemn him:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3814643/At-bishop-talks-sense-migrants-Senior-cleric-says-Britain-not-seen-soft-touch-demands-EU-nations-asylum-seekers.html

John Sentamu, the Church’s second most senior cleric, warned that Britain should not be seen ‘as a soft touch’ and demanded that other EU nations offer homes to asylum seekers in their own countries.
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September 30, 2016 2:39pm
Manolo

Where is EAD when I need him?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/asia-stocks-to-focus-on-deutsche-bank-report-us-losses-india-pakistan-tension-dollar-strength-yen-oil-prices.html

Nikkei drops 1.4%, ASX down 0.8%, as bank shares sink.
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September 30, 2016 2:41pm
- Brigitte
  
  That could be great news. I still have a stock of baked beans left over from his earlier predictions.
  
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  September 30, 2016 3:25pm
stephieboy

Manolo, a rather nasty and obnoxious post from you yesterday ,

“I reckon the world would be a much better place without a place like barbaric Somalia. Let the sands glow.”

Obviously, Cruz and Trump are teaching you some valuable lessons to a white trash wannabe ?
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September 30, 2016 2:45pm
- Manolo
  
  Please, accept my apologies. I should know Somalia is a very refined and civilised country.
  
  By the way, why do you think of this gentleman across the Tasman?
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813147/Judge-tells-wannabe-Ethiopian-born-Islamic-State-terrorist-Amin-Mohamed-26-not-lasted-long-Syria.html
  
  A wannabe Islamic State terrorist who was stopped from travelling to Syria was sentenced to five-and-a-half years in prison and told he ‘would not have lasted long’ if he’d made it to the war-torn republic.
  
  Melbourne man Amin Mohamed, 26, booked a one-way ticket to Istanbul, Turkey in 2013 to lend his services to the conflict, a Supreme Court heard.
  
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  September 30, 2016 2:54pm
- Scott Chris
  
  That’s fine Stephie. Manolo doesn’t have any children, let alone in Somalia.
  
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  September 30, 2016 5:57pm
Griff

Colin Craig ruled to have defamed Jordan Williams
Colin Craig has been found to have defamed Taxpayers Union founder Jordan Williams.

The jury returned with the verdict in the long running defamation case on Friday in the High Court at Auckland after retiring on Thursday afternoon.

As part of a jury’s role in a defamation case they also rule on damages – and ordered Craig should pay Williams $1.27 million in total.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/84790345/colin-craig-jury-returns-in-defamation-case
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September 30, 2016 3:01pm
Manolo

Griff will be outraged:
http://heatst.com/politics/chelsea-clinton-private-jet/
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September 30, 2016 5:11pm
- Scott Chris
  
  Manolo you linked to virus. Reported.
  
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  September 30, 2016 6:07pm
starboard

commenting late tonight scottchris? Haven’t you got somewhere else to be ?
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September 30, 2016 9:37pm
BeeSting

Welcome to Kiwi Blog

Where the Truth Hurts

https://youtu.be/ZpnyoffFloY
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October 1, 2016 1:52am
BeeSting

come on meds surely you could have at least called
me a racist natzi right wing extremist for pointing out what any one with a brain cell can see before them

More reading for the IGNORANT BIGOTS of
Auckland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

The EU was set up to implement the Karlegi Plan
and if you have not noticed that is what is happening

Awesome for my 21% rates increase I got a tragic
PDF from the council with pictures of no white people – even though some still live there –
so it looks like the ethnic cleansing plan
has council approval.

I was going to ask not to pay my rates if I do not exist?

Eu is almost as big a Crock as the
Auckland City Council

Same Plan Same Results
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