General Debate 28 September 2016

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duggledog

I think Clinton was far more polished and smooth and yeah maybe more Presidential yesterday than Trump who fumbled often – but this was, maybe perversely, Trump’s own trump card.

The flawless, rehearsed delivery and rebuttal and rhetoric that is so professionally wielded by career politicians is what regular people are sick of, and why they have warmed to non politicians all over the world – like our very own PM, who they said could not make it and was a joke.

What resonated with the dispassionate folks I watched it with (and I watched them almost as much as the debaters themselves) was Trump repeating that Clinton and her cohorts don’t live in the real world, have had years to fix things, don’t do good deals, and have got the US in the pickle it’s in, in the first place.

That’s what this campaign is all about – not Trump’s bloody tax returns.

Hillary may have won the debate technically but Trump’s argument seemed more ‘sound’ to me. She reminds me of Phil Goff – knows everything there is to know about the system, but won’t do anything meaningful once in the seat. Unlike here, it seems the Americans know horse shit when they see it.
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September 28, 2016 8:04am
- EAD
  
  Duggledog,
  
  I know your position but I still don’t get why you (and DPF) say Clinton “technically won” – it’s just a repeat of the talking points the MSM is feeding the public.
  
  Trump won every poll by 10% to 20%. He destroyed Clinton on the economy, jobs, trade, law and order, her record in government, all of the important issues.
  
  #TrumpWon is the number one trending topic on Twitter. It’s a joke watching MSM outlets calling it for Clinton and going on about the fact Trump called a Mexican beauty pageant contestant “miss piggy” and “miss housekeeping” 20 years ago because that’s all they have. Racist misogynist wah wah!
  
  It is absolutely pathetic watching the aftermath. The global MSM has completely parted ways with the people.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:14am
- Jack5
  
  Was Trump nobbled by the moderator – at least on Trump’s position on the Iraq War?
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/2003-clip-backs-up-trump-on-iraq-war-opposition.html
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:55am
- Fletch
  
  She had slight speed wobbles at one point, but managed to recover. “Whoo! Okay!” It looks like another seizure, though she was probably heavily medicated to dial back the effects.
  
  https://vine.co/v/5raAaEwKaKz
  
  As one politician commented – I wonder if she went in to the debate on or off her meds?
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:17am
- dave_c_
  
  Ha ! Clinton caught cheating again – being coached from the support team ! There is nothing this woman will not do . A despicable liar with no respect for any form of personal restriction and conformance to accepted norms.
  Yes sir, I’ll obey the debate rules – yer right
  http://www.charismanews.com/politics/events/60186-has-hillary-been-caught-cheating-again
  
  even this !
  
  http://lamecherry.blogspot.co.nz/2016/09/how-hillary-clinton-was-fed-information.html
  
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  September 28, 2016 1:20pm
  - jonar
    
    http://www.snopes.com/clinton-secret-earpiece-debate/
    
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    September 28, 2016 1:49pm
Viking2

Another grey day without sunshine.
Bloody greenies.
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September 28, 2016 8:07am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Cheer up, the Little one may put his foot in his mouth for a change
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:11am
oldpark

The so called USA Presidential debate. Almost back to the future. In the 2012 debate between Romney and Obama, Obama took a verbal kicking from Romney. Obama came off the ropes in the second and third debate,and got the job of Commander -In -Chief. Wonder will history be repeated again in the second and third debates between Trump and Clinton.
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September 28, 2016 8:08am
- cmm
  
  One difference is that Obama could play the “slave got a thrashing from the white master” sympathy card. Nothing like that for Trump.
  
  One really wonders how much people hang on these debates. They might have been a pivotal point in the past but these days people have most likely already picked their side and just entrench.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:17am
  - dave_c_
    
    @cmm 8:17am
    Indeed – I have serious doubts about the reported ‘100 or more millions who supposedly watched.’
    Yet another establishment / MSM wet dream
    
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    September 28, 2016 9:29am
- Ed Snack
  
  Obama got rescued by the moderator in the second debate though. Obama flat out lied about calling the attack terrorism; the network had video footage of him denying it was terrorism but suppressed it. the Moderator backed Obama and said that he had as she was unaware of the video, she later admitted that she was wrong. However it was too late, Obama was on the ropes at that point and the moderator intervened specifically to rescue him and back up his lie. Romney never recovered his momentum.
  
  Clinton has the same huge advantage, if she screws up you won’t know unless you saw it yourself as the MSM won’t report it.
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:46am
- KevinH
  
  Old Park
  Exactly. Clinton delivered a polished performance and in my view won the first debate.
  However she fired all her guns and won”t have much ammo left for the remaining debates. She may try to hammer Trump on his taxes and personal wealth but next time round Trump will be ready.
  Trump copped a blood nose and should have learned a few lessons. To his credit and to his own admission he did say that there were things he chose not to raise but believe me he will be swinging next time round.
  I believe he will go hard in the next debate, he will attack the Clintons, he will attack the Democrats, he will attack Obama”s record.It will be, not nice.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:07pm
Don the Kiwi

A comment on a American blog raised the point, that he was sure that Hillary had seen the questions – whether or not that’s true will remain conjecture, but she appeared to be often reading from notes, and her answers were off pat in the order of the questions. I wonder?
Then, the left has always lied and cheated anyway, so what’s new?
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September 28, 2016 8:09am
- mikenmild
  
  Could it just possibly be that she is experienced in debating and prepared well?
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:19am
  - calendar girl
    
    Maybe, but if she was so experienced and so well prepared, why did she need to glance at her notes quite so often?
    
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    September 28, 2016 8:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      calendar girl, the debate was not quite the same as the theatre at Trump’s rallies where he can bluster and rave on at will and go completely unchallenged .
      
      Very unfamiliar territory .
      
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      September 28, 2016 9:08am
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi, playing the good old poor me victim game ? Sob, sob !
  
  Hillary Clinton unexpectedly did a lot better than many predicted crippled as it was claimed with Parkinson’s symptoms and other serious maladies .
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:42am
- Icarus
  
  Clinton lacks the intellect and energy to debate Trump.
  
  The only reason she is running is her total lack of morality and decency. She will sell out America to her pay masters in order to achieve office.
  
  The only thing more repugnant than Hillary are her disgusting supporters. Every one of them is a smear on humanity.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:27pm
Paulus Gnome

Laugh! She who must not be mentioned fails to be mentioned in a newspaper aka ‘a shoddy little tabloid’

‘Yesterday, at the start of what is expected to be a seven-week trial at the High Court at Auckland, fringe mayoral candidate and self-styled anti-corruption campaigner for a while sat in the front row of the public gallery.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11717850

Warm fuzzies all round 🙂
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September 28, 2016 8:09am
- sooty
  
  Makes a change I think from been in the dock, which is her normal place in court!
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:59am
Manolo

As if Germany needed more problems!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809996/Migrants-hooked-gambling-staking-ENTIRE-benefits-allowance-single-bet-German-experts-warn.html
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September 28, 2016 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  South America has Banana Republics, totally corrupt and disorganised. Germany is heading for similar, once proudly clean and well run, but now occupied by humans who have less manners than a wild ape.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:25am
billmurray

Trump is a bumbling stumbling lying interjecting fool.
That’s being kind!.
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September 28, 2016 8:21am
- Happychappy
  
  He sounds a bit like the Labour leader Andrew Lttle and that’s being not so kind
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:45am
Paulus

Now I know how wonderful it will be to have Clinton as President.
I assume that she was well medicated to keep her from falling down.
Very early on yesterday I heard a commentator say that Clinton was going to be the winner of the debate – hardly a debate – do they not know what a debate actually is – no, they’re Americans.
The man in charge appeared to be biased from the start against Trump – but he is from the so called media so it is not surprising.
It is not over until the fat lady sings………………
Frankly Bloody Frightening whoever wins
– Putin will love to talk to Hillary – she will rant at him and he will smile. Currently Putin is holding all the Trumps.
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September 28, 2016 8:21am
- Fletch
  
  I assume that she was well medicated to keep her from falling down.
  
  Yup, you could see she had the wobbles, but her meds helped control it.
  
  https://vine.co/v/5raAaEwKaKz
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:21am
Griff

You can see from the comments of Trumpets that Clinton easily won the debate.
All those who posted dribbles about Clinton health showing up in the debate will have to find another piece of propaganda to bore us with.
Same goes with all the conspiracy nonsense.
Trump is a blaggard who in a serious situation away from the theatrics of his rallies is floundering around totally outclassed. Anyone who thinks Trump is going to do any better trying to renegotiate treaty’s against the worlds well informed government leaders is deluded .
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September 28, 2016 8:24am
- mara
  
  Trump is going to be prepared for Preparation H next time. Yeah, she did well to stay on her hoofs for 90 minutes but did anyone see her again after ole Bill helped her up the stairs and out of there?
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:38am
- Icarus
  
  Troll ^^^
  
  Stick to lying about the weather.
  
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  September 28, 2016 7:57pm
Keeping Stock

The first “fix” or “dirty deal” arising from the marriage of Labour to the Greens is in:

Labour has claimed the first dividend from its agreement with the Green Party after the Green Party decided not to contest any Mt Roskill byelection.

Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said today the Greens would not stand in a byelection in Mt Roskill should current MP Phil Goff win the Auckland mayoralty.

“The Mt Roskill by-election will be closely contested, and we don’t want to play any role in National winning the seat.”

However, she said it did not have a position on whether it would endorse Labour’s candidate Michael Wood or actively encourage Green supporters to vote for him.

It is the first ‘deal’ in an electorate under the agreement between Labour and the Greens to campaign together more closely and work to increase the centre-left vote.

Labour leader Andrew Little said it was the Greens’ decision. “I welcome it.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11717757

Where’s Paddy Gower when you need him?
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September 28, 2016 8:24am
- dave_c_
  
  Just another example of why ‘we the people’ hold the view that politicians are dirty, lying, hypocritical, self gratifying, duplicitous bastards
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:34am
- calendar girl
  
  The Greens denying their Mt Roskill supporters an opportunity to vote for the latter’s preferred party.
  
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  September 28, 2016 2:36pm
- sooty
  
  Hiding around the back, pretending to be the three monkeys. I see, I hear, I do, no evil.
  
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  September 28, 2016 4:14pm
oldpark

Roy Morgan Poll last month gave National circa 53%. This month circa 41.50% . Who or what are they polling. All sounds like they polled, do nothings, as against do everythings. Like a fair days work for a fair days pay. The do nothings voters ,would rather bludge of the do all the work voters.
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September 28, 2016 8:31am
- cmm
  
  The polls carry comments like: “If a New Zealand Election was held now then xxx”
  
  But they aren’t being held now. People will have a wee grumble knowing that they are not voting and it is “safe” to do so.
  
  What people say when there are no consequences is very different to what they actually do when their actions have consequences.
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:09am
Longknives

Steve Tew is a lying, arrogant piece of work-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/84729614/paul-henry-slams-new-zealand-rugby-chief-executive-steve-tew-over-losi-filipo-handling

“We only found out two days ago”- BULLSHIT!

“and it’s taken that long to get a result that we believe is the right one for all the victims here, including Losi.”- Really? Losi (who was stomping on people’s heads) is a ‘Victim’??
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September 28, 2016 8:31am
Happychappy

I will probably get a few down ticks for this post and let me be clear i am not going into bat for NZ Rugby or Steve Tew but Paul Henry is doing this story for Paul Henry and his ratings at a time,and also wants to make sure he stays well ahead of TV ONE and Hillary Barry.
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September 28, 2016 8:38am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I think you’re right Happychappy. I would have actually liked to have heard what Tew had to say this morning but Henry’s badgering, hectoring and interrupting was at a level where Tew barely got a word in edgeways.
  
  In partial defence of Tew (and with tongue firmly in cheek), he’s just lost his head spin doctor. Mike Jaspers has gone to work for Andrew Little, but it seems he might have leapt from the frying pan into the fire!
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:52am
Loddenthinks

From Sunday’s editorial http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84618529/jonathan-milne-winston-peters-should-be-docked-the-cost-of-aborted-treaty-settlements-from-his-own-salary

Milne completely misses the point about Peters’ (in my view) completely correctly scuttling the treaty settlement last week. “Let us be very clear: apartheid is excluding people because of their skin colour, denying them autonomy. What this settlement does is precisely the opposite, restoring a degree of self-determination to the iwi of Taranaki.”

Creating 6 seats reserved solely for maori is the literal definition of electoral apartheid. If Milne has a better definition for the act of excluding candidates from 6 seats because of the colour of their skin, I’d like to see it. What a pineapple.
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September 28, 2016 8:42am
- wiseowl
  
  And the Treaty settlement should have no ability to allow this to happen.
  The smart arses have learned this from trade agreements.It’s more like blackmail.
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:40am
- Jack5
  
  Jonathan Milne is editor of the Sunday Star-Times. That gives you an idea of his intellectual weight: mg rather than kg. And you’d need to be a woofter liberal to sit in the newspaper’s editor seat.
  
  On race relations, Milne is probably not far in position from Mahatma Judd.
  
  I doubt you’ll hear Milne speaking out about the neo-apartheid of race-based seats in Parliament or on local bodies.
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:05am
- wiseowl
  
  Wonderful Ngapuhi lady on with Leighton now about this apartheid.
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:17am
thedavincimode

I never thought I’d see the day when the mad waterwoman was outdone in the batshit crazy department but wow, who is that Alezix Heneti creature?
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September 28, 2016 8:57am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’ve just posted the link to the video below davinci. Both Alezix Heneti and Adam Holland are Green Party crazy!
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:15am
  - thedavincimode
    
    I would have thought Mongrel Mob given what was on offer, but I’ll take your word for it – she certainly qualifies derangement-wise. No love lost between melons and ex melons.
    
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    September 28, 2016 9:28am
Nigel Kearney

The original complaint, which I agree with, is that he was treated differently because he is a rugby player.

But if rugby players are supposed to be treated the same as everyone else, I don’t know of any other violent assault where the CEO of the organisation the offender worked for was hauled over the coals on national TV.
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September 28, 2016 8:58am
- dave_c_
  
  @Nigel Kearney 8:58am
  The reason the CEO and others of the rugby union are drawn into these issues and expected to make a statement (or two), is because they are the ones who try and fool the people into believing they have both the players and public’c interest at heart – good role models, standards of behaviour, and all that.
  I don’t know of any other CEO who gives a monkeys cuss about the predicaments of their employees, nor who would make such lying statements about their organisation’s beneficient outlook for all and sundry.
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:40am
Simon

MSM working themselves into a frenzy about Trump and first debate. Lol

Poor Griff has been fooled yet again. What a bell weather he is for MSM propaganda retardation

Trump will piss in.
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September 28, 2016 9:01am
- Griff
  
  Yip Simon .
  Self selecting polls are known to have bias that makes them worthless.
  There is a market on the result of the election .
  People bet with their money on the result .
  Guess what happened to the odds of trump winning after the debate?
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:10am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Self Selecting? Not really a major issue when the question is as simple as ; who won the debate? Self selecting tends to show up in, say sociology Polls.
    Also the trend Trump won is clear across many Polls- which is why 538 watches and records several Polls also as it tracks the trend. But hey, I’m surprised at the Polls as I thought Clinton debated better . But then I watched it.
    You didn’t watch it did you.
    
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    September 28, 2016 9:20am
    - Griff
      
      http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/a-journalists-guide-to-opinion-polls/#q6
      A Journalist’s Guide To Opinion Polls
      
      5. Are other kinds of surveys bound to be wrong?
      No. Just as a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, unscientific surveys will occasionally produce right percentages. But they are far more likely to be badly wrong. The most common forms of unscientific surveys are phone-in polls conducted by television programmes and self-selecting surveys conducted over the Internet. These contain two defects. First, their samples are self-selecting. Such polls tend to attract people who feel passionately about the subject of the poll, rather than a representative sample. Second, such polls seldom collect the kind of extra information (such as gender and age) that would allow some judgement to be made about the nature of the sample.
      6. But surely a phone-in or write-in poll in which, say, one million people take part is likely to be more accurate than an opinion poll sample of 1,000?
      Not so. A biased sample is a biased sample, however large it is. One celebrated example of this was the US Presidential Election in 1936. A magazine, Literary Digest, sent out 10 million post cards asking people how they would vote, received almost 2.3 million back and said that Alfred Landon was leading Franklin Roosevelt by 57-43 per cent. The Digest did not gather information that would allow it to judge the quality of its sample and correct, or “weight”, groups that were under- or over-represented. A young pollster called George Gallup employed a much smaller sample (though, at 50,000, it was much larger than those normally used today), but because he ensured that it was representative, he correctly showed Roosevelt on course to win by a landslide. In the event, Roosevelt won 60% and Landon just 37%. The Literary Digest closed down soon afterwards.
      
      As I said all on red.
      Self selecting polls are unreliable when a large number of very biased peploe are involved .
      Like the trumpet fan bois.
      
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      September 28, 2016 9:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nice cut and pasting- as usual Griff
        Personally I prefer the wiki definition
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
        
        ‘In statistics, self-selection bias arises in any situation in which individuals select themselves into a group, causing a biased sample with nonprobability sampling. It is commonly used to describe situations where the characteristics of the people which cause them to select themselves in the group create abnormal or undesirable conditions in the group.’
        
        As I said, it mainly occurs in sociology Polls where for instance people answer questions to determine a personality type but tend to be biased in their answers as they try to skew things to get an answer they are happy with.
        But your stretch of the definition, even an Election Poll would be self selecting.
        But… As I have mentioned before to others I hold no great credence for on line Polls anyway.
        Also, I have pointed out many times I’m not a Trump supporter. So get stuffed.
        
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        September 28, 2016 11:27am
- mandk
  
  Excuse me for being pedantic, but the word you are looking for is bellwether.
  It refers to a castrated ram leading a flock and wearing a bell. The point was that you knew what was coming before you could actually see it, so I’m not sure you could describe Griff as one in this particular context.
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:10am
- G152
  
  The thing about these ‘talkies’ is to get the great unconcerned concerned and to change the minds of those who are going to vote one way.
  The MSM have been running these for years and finally the audience is waking up and doing what they want to do.
  That’s why Brexit happened.
  Neither said much to change minds
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Bell-end more like
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:12am
flipper

And as for “facts”, my buddy Colorado Bill and I examined Snopes last week and agreed that its “facts” are sometimes wanting.
Moreover, the following is a classic misrepresentation of ”fact” by other “fact checkers” – Polifact and Politico. The Clinton denial that she had described TPP as “the Gold Standard” was blown away by her ABC Australia TV tape. And then there was Holt’s BS “birther” issue – another Clinton (dodging Blumenthal) herring.
Even the Clinton News Network did not buy that one.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/2003-clip-backs-up-trump-on-iraq-war-opposition.html

(see also link below)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/online-polls-declare-trump-debate-winner-despite-media-consensus-for-clinton.html
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September 28, 2016 9:05am
Manolo

I enjoy the sight of addled Griff, a fervent progressive and AGW monger, cheering for the ultra corrupt Clinton, who has become his second greatest hero, after Al Gore.
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September 28, 2016 9:07am
Keeping Stock

Local democracy at its finest; not!

Auckland mayoral candidates came close to “a brawl” at a debate on Tuesday night, after a screaming war of words descended into a shoving match.

David Hay, who earlier informally pulled out of the mayoral race and threw his support behind Phil Goff, was abused by rival Alezix Heneti as he tried to make a speech at the debate, which was hosted by Auckland University Students’ Association at university bar, Shadows.

Hay arrived late from another meeting, but was given permission by a students’ association representative to make a 30-second statement.Auckland mayoral candidates came close to “a brawl” at a debate on Tuesday night, after a screaming war of words descended into a shoving match.

However, Heneti took umbrage, and a fracas ensued, with her repeatedly yelling into a microphone at Hay: “You pulled out! You don’t deserve the right to be here!”

She then climbed off the stage and tried to snatch a microphone out of his hand, waving pages of paper in his face in a heated exchange.

Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party candidate Adam Holland – dressed in a kaftan – then commandeered the mic to yell “vote for me! Vote for me!”.

As 22-year-old mayoral candidate Chloe Swarbrick stepped in between Hay and Heneti, Holland continued his commentary: “There’s going to be brawl! Ooh, I can feel a brawl!”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/84728872/auckland-mayoral-debate-turns-into-shoving-match-between-screaming-candidates

Oddly enough, through all this nonsense one candidate, wearing a black beret, sat serenely on stage, so a rare uptick for Our Pen for not blowing a fufu valve and becoming involved in this unseemly mess.

Anyway, watch the video, have a laugh, and I expect Adam Holland to follow fellow ex-ALCP candidate Metiria Turei onto the Green Party list; he’s certainly mad enough!
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September 28, 2016 9:13am
- nasska
  
  ….”one candidate, wearing a black beret, sat serenely on stage”….
  
  How disappointing. Given past performances I was sure that she would have set her body odour control on ‘stun’ & charged into the fray! 🙂
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:38am
- Scott
  
  Thanks for posting that keeping stock. I was wondering as well what is going on in Auckland? Down here in Masterton we are used to reasonably civilised electioneering.
  
  But one has to wonder what is up with those Aucklanders? And is it true that one of them shouted out Allah Akbar? Is that our multicultural dividend beginning to show?
  
  Quick where is stephieboy to explain this to us?
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:47am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m not aware of Adam Holland having Islamic leanings Scott, so I suspect his cries of “Allahu Akbar” might just have been part of the theatre of the event.
    
    This is interesting though:
    
    A lawyer who has made a name for himself by losing elections by spectacular margins has announced he will be contesting the Auckland mayoralty and Mt Roskill by-election simultaneously.
    
    The fact the mayoral and a possible by-election will not be held simultaneously does not bother Adam John Holland, who describes himself as “kind of an anarchist”.
    
    He is standing as a Not A Party candidate and encouraging people not to vote.
    
    If elected Auckland Mayor he will not do a single thing “just as I haven’t done a single thing for the past seven years of my retirement”.
    
    “It is my belief that the role of an elected official ought not to impose one’s own views and laws on the people, but rather to stand down immediately and allow local communities to build and grow naturally,” Mr Holland said.
    
    He has stood for office three times for a total of 57 votes.
    
    His record as a candidate is even worse than that of Penny Bright, and that’s saying something. I liked the kaftan though; very Bob Moodie-like 😀
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , yes the diversity dividend of Mt Roskill ready to burst at the seams and declare Jihad at the advent of the Auckland Mayoral election .
    
    Vaughn Vocker and his Right Wing Resistance making their mark on the Masterton local body elections ?
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:12am
    - Scott
      
      At least Vaughan will spare us the Allah Akbar and the call to the mosque over loud speakers. Also they are not a terrorist outfit.
      Not all Muslims are terrorists but right now all terrorists are Muslims.
      
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      September 28, 2016 10:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott , 50,000 Muslims living in NZ. Identify which ones ?
        
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        September 28, 2016 11:12am
      - Scott
        
        Good question stephieboy. I did not realise there were 50,000 Muslims in New Zealand? That’s just over 1%. Once they get to 2%, say 80 to 100,000 Muslims then we will have trouble. 2% appears to be the magic number when Muslims feel they are numerous enough to start asserting themselves. As it is we give them special prayer rooms in schools which we probably wouldn’t do if Christians asked for a prayer room.
        
        So I don’t know which Muslims specifically will be doing the terrorism. I only know based on overseas experience that we can expect Muslim terrorism as we get more Muslims. It is interesting in countries like Poland they don’t have Muslim terrorism. That’s because they don’t have many Muslims.
        
        Unfortunately these appear to be the hard facts. It’s a shame because I don’t have animus towards anyone personally, I just don’t want terrorism over here and that’s appears to be what we get when we have more Muslims.
        
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        September 28, 2016 11:21am
- thedavincimode
  
  a rare uptick for Our Pen for not blowing a fufu valve and becoming involved in this unseemly mess-
  
  She would have been too stunned to participate once she’d realised that this deranged Heneti apparition would inevitably split the looney vote – the waterwoman’s key constituency. Will she even get to three figures now?
  
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  September 28, 2016 12:39pm
Happychappy

You hear the media and Hillary Clinton going on about how could you trust Trump with the nuclear button but nothing ever said about how could you trust Clinton with the troops when she has already sent some to their death,then you have the media siding with her and calling Trump a moron that can’t be trusted and this coming from Journalists that have been named as the most untrustworthy profession of professions to be in.I hope Trump wins because why should the media in all country’s dictate who they want
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September 28, 2016 9:24am
Manolo

The Spectator on UK’s Labour:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/this-could-be-the-end-of-the-labour-party/

It has no way forward even as a credible opposition so long as it follows Corbyn’s vicious, vacuous creed.
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September 28, 2016 9:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

New study shows babies’ outcome at birth better under the care of a GP or specialist than a midwife.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/314359/babies-more-at-risk-in-midwife-led-births-study

This is going to upset a few apple-carts.
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September 28, 2016 9:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff, interesting .Your link includes this comment,
  
  ” Lead researcher Ellie Wernham, a midwife training to be a doctor, said they were important findings.
  
  “And an adverse outcome in maternity has got such serious consequences that if there’s any chance of improving rates of these outcomes then we need to work towards that.”
  
  However Ms Wernham said researchers did not know what was driving the difference.
  
  “It could be anything from the level of funding around maternity care, resources, level of collaboration between doctors and midwives, the way we triage mothers, the level of training of midwives and postgraduate support, the referral process during delivery.”
  
  My wife and I were very unhappy about the way our midwife handled the birth of our first child . The hospital had to intervene and take over from her . Her attitude seemed to be a natural childbirth regardless of the clinical circumstances . A GP-led delivery any day .
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:56am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    A rare moment of agreement Stephieboy. Both my children are old enough to have been doctor-delivered, for which I am exceedingly grateful.
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:15am
    - stephieboy
      
      KS and MW,
      
      I can tell you my wife and myself breathed a huge sigh of relief when the Senior Obstetrics Registrar intervened when our boy wouldn’t come out . He directed an immediate Cesarian section.
      
      Midwives should only handle uncomplicated and straightforward deliveries with a Doctor/ GP always in the background keeping an eye on things .
      
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      September 28, 2016 11:05am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Did he comment on the lack of genitalia on your wife or did you get that done as a 2 for 1 deal?
        
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        September 28, 2016 11:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s not very nice.
        
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        September 28, 2016 11:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stephieboy
    
    I am afraid to say that I have heard similar stories from mums younger than me.
    
    I think it is a disaster that local GPs no longer do deliveries. Your local GP usually knew the full medical history of the mum-to-be and was on hand to watch the progress of the new babe into a child and teenager. The GP also was familiar with the development/medical history of other siblings.
    
    A midwife seems to just flit into the life of an expecting mum for a short time and for 1 event.
    
    I have a friend who is a senior hospital midwife…
    she and her crew have to cope with the difficult deliveries that independent midwives don’t touch.
    Sometimes they have to deal with deliveries that have been poorly managed by independent midwives. She says the independents usually make themselves scarce at such occasions.
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:53am
  - Paulus
    
    The College of Midwives – one Gilliland says its all about money.
    Bollocks – the feministas in the Clark Government forced Doctors out of midwifery.
    Now you have some conclusions.
    No doubt the shit is only beginning to hit the fan and Angry Andy will only want the Unions Midwives to remain the lead provider.
    Both mine which were difficult births were under Doctor care.
    
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    September 28, 2016 2:29pm
- Jack5
  
  Now there are at least as many women as men graduating in medicine.
  
  If the feminists had waited a decade or so, female obstetricians rather than midwives might have predominated in NZ.
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:35am
- mara
  
  Indeed. As a retired RGON, I saw this coming decades ago when the childless Klarkula decided that men (doctors) delivering babies were misogynistic, interventionist and clearly power-hungry so she empowered the feminist madwives to take control. The process became nearly more important than the outcome and mothers and babies suffered.
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:02am
EAD

Enjoyed this – The tragic lifestyle of the baby boomers:

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/the-tragic-life-cycle-of-baby-boomers.html?m=1
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September 28, 2016 10:00am
- Manolo
  
  Thank you, EAD. I enjoy this paragraph:
  Hillary’s corruption is now absolute, she’s literally willing to die for The System, she is feeding herself in her old age to the Talmudic beast which created her long ago, if she can only hold onto life long enough to stop Trump entering the White House, then, then, she has their permission to die.
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD and Manolo ,
    with the added bonus of a fair headed bimbo with monster silicone implanted melons , of course a seasoning of the Jewish Frankfurt school nonsense and the Talmudic beast suggests another whiff of antisemitism to boot .
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:43am
stephieboy

Kathryn Ryan on RNZ this morning presented a very good comment and discussion about Clinton vs Trump . Very fair and balanced to both sides ,

Breaking down the debate,

“Republican strategist, Brad Blakeman and Democratic strategist, David Goodfriend discuss the outcome of yesterday’s US Presidential debate.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201817830/breaking-down-the-debate

Worth a listen.
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September 28, 2016 10:06am
Keeping Stock

Serena Williams is going to be the star turn at the ASB Classic women’s tennis tournament in Auckland in the New Year. Although Venus Williams has played in the tournament for the last few years, tournament organiser Karl Budge has excelled himself in getting the younger Williams sister to play here.

I’m betting big bruv and Longknives will be the first in the queue for tickets, given they was telling anyone who listened during the Olympics how much they admired Serena’s skills and athleticism…
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September 28, 2016 10:14am
- Happychappy
  
  Andre will be spewing and putting up the suggestion that Serena Williams is a drug cheat.
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:29am
- Manolo
  
  Only the “athleticism”?
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, and the colour of her skin ?
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:46am
    - Manolo
      
      Some of us darkies are blessed by it. Don’t you think so, stephieboy?
      
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      September 28, 2016 10:50am
Manolo

Hiawatha could well qualify to be a card-carrying member of the PPTA and NZEI:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_politics/2016/09/elizabeth_warren_against_charter_school_increase?utm_source=facebook

U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren has come out against the ballot question that would lift the cap on charter schools, after taking heat for staying on the fence.
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September 28, 2016 10:35am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Pocahontas*
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:05am
Manolo

Will the crook Clinton last the distance?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dilbert-creator-clinton-engineered-alertness/article/2602968
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September 28, 2016 10:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, bioengineering now come of age ?
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:09am
- dime
  
  the dilbert guy is an interesting dude.
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:32am
  - mikenmild
    
    I like the cartoon, and his books are pretty funny too, but he has some peculiar views.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scott_Adams
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:15pm
- Fletch
  
  She had the speed wobbles at one point – it looked like tremor or seizure, barely disguised by her meds, but the media are spinning it as a “shimmy”.
  
  https://vine.co/v/5raAaEwKaKz
  
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  September 28, 2016 12:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch, weak. I can detect a bit of the sore loser syndrome coming from Trumpists like you .
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:10pm
wiseowl

hobsonspledge.nz
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September 28, 2016 10:58am
- mikenmild
  
  What happened to the 1Law4All crowd?
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:34am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Didn’t Penny destroy them from the inside?
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:08pm
stephieboy

Scott

“Good question stephieboy. I did not realise there were 50,000 Muslims in New Zealand? That’s just over 1%. Once they get to 2%, say 80 to 100,000 Muslims then we will have trouble. 2% appears to be the magic number when Muslims feel they are numerous enough to start asserting themselves. As it is we give them special prayer rooms in schools which we probably wouldn’t do if Christians asked for a prayer room….”

That 2% a figure David Garrett likes to trot out is on what evidence ?

The Kurds , Iraqi , Afghan and Syrian army and rebels etc fighting ISIS terrorism etc is illusory ?

If affirmative go and visit your Doctor!
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September 28, 2016 11:28am
Manolo

Will this once rock-solid bank be saved by the German government?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/27/deutsche-bank-troubles-dont-look-for-a-bailout-anytime-soon.html

Anyone waiting for a government rescue of Deutsche Bank shouldn’t expect one just yet.

The consensus of analysts who spoke with CNBC is that no government rescue is imminent, or even necessary yet, for the imperiled German financial institution, despite Deutsche Bank shares hitting all-time lows Monday.
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September 28, 2016 11:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

I am not the biggest fan of stephieboy’s contributions, but I see no reason on earth for AgentBallSack’s 11:51am disgusting attack on stephieboy’s wife.

As far as I know, stephieboy’s wife doesn’t post here on KB. She does not deserve this type of filth, neither does stephieboy.
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September 28, 2016 12:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  Thank you Maggy W for the support . I’ve reported it but won’t expect much to come of it .
  
  Tells more about AgentBalls Sack and his kick them in the back and whilst they’re down debating style .
  
  Sad little fellow and a Sicko too !
  
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  September 28, 2016 12:15pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Suck it up stephie.
    Wah wah wah. Your misogony is very pronounced when the person isn’t related to you so – too fucking bad 🙂
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:19pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    ~~Don the Kiwi,~~ stephiebitch playing the good old poor me victim game ? Sob, sob !
    
    😀
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:33pm
- mikenmild
  
  Definitely out of order. Hopefully reported by enough to trigger a sanction.
  
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  September 28, 2016 12:15pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Oh I hope so 🙂
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:21pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Stephie says
  
  EAD and Manolo ,
  with the added bonus of a fair headed bimbo with monster silicone implanted melons , of course a seasoning of the Jewish Frankfurt school nonsense and the Talmudic beast suggests another whiff of antisemitism to boot
  
  As far as I know Trumps wife doesnt post here either but she’s fair game?
  
  Lighten up it was meant tongue in cheek. If people take offence at what I said, too bad.
  
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  September 28, 2016 12:17pm
  - William of Ockham
    
    So. Trying hard to be a wit but only making half-wit.
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:22pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Have experience in that do you?
      
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      September 28, 2016 12:28pm
Jack5

Patsy Reddy is sworn in as Governor-General. An experienced businesswoman, she will do a good job.

To think, that if we were an official republic instead of a de facto one, all this ceremony would be for someone like Helen Clark or Jim Bolger (I am lifting from the Hooerald site):

A powhiri greeted Dame Patsy Reddy and her husband, Sir David Gascoigne, as they arrived at Parliament.

Dame Patsy will take the Royal Salute and inspect the guard, made up of personnel from the Navy, Army and Air Force at a dais on the forecourt.

A 21-gun artillery salute from Point Jerningham across town in Roseneath will sound over Wellington to mark the occasion.

The swearing-in ceremony features the Royal New Zealand Air Force band and the New Zealand Opera Chorus. The Navy and Air Force will also parade their respective colours and banners.
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September 28, 2016 12:16pm
- mikenmild
  
  She will do a good job? How will we measure that?
  1. Reads the Speech from the Throne without saying ‘um’ or ‘er’?
  2. Cuts ribbons without injuring herself?
  3. Doesn’t nod off during state dinners?
  4. Spells her name correctly when signing legislation?
  
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  September 28, 2016 12:26pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    5. Doesnt spend her tax payer funded day commenting on Kiwiblog.
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:30pm
    - mikenmild
      
      We don’t know that, ABS. She could be commenting right now.
      
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      September 28, 2016 12:35pm
  - Manolo
    
    You ought to be patient, mikenmild. If your beloved comrade Helen does not become UN SG, she could be our next GG. Think of it.
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:35pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Amusing you reported me for an off the cuff remark about stephies wife, then come out and make 4 disparaging comments about a Dame of our Realm, and our current Governor General, Dame Patsy Reddy.
    
    Just shows what a spiteful little cretin you are.
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:37pm
    - starboard
      
      I thought it was funny Sack.
      
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      September 28, 2016 12:51pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Please let me know who I am allowed to disparage.
      And if you can’t tell the difference between nasty remarks about a commenter’s wife and poking fun at the office of Governor-General, then I might have to stop helping you.
      
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      September 28, 2016 12:57pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Its fine Mikey you’re doing a great job as Blog Monitor.
        
        Hypocrite.
        
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        September 28, 2016 2:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky:
    
    Reddy is very smart. She raises the average IQ of NZ’s Governor-Generals (perhaps that should be Governors-General).
    
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    September 28, 2016 12:54pm
    - mikenmild
      
      It is governors-general. I didn’t say she wasn’t smart. It might be inferred from my remarks though, that intelligence is not particularly required in such an office.
      
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      September 28, 2016 12:59pm
      - labrator
        
        When was the last time a governor general acted in a non-ceremonial role?
        
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        September 28, 2016 1:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops! Sorry Labrator at 1.02. I accidentlly clicked “report” button when I was looking for a “reply” button on your post. This has happened before. It would be better if the “report” word/button was to the right of the date/time.
        
        Any way, I was going to say the fact that the Governor-General acts only in a ceremonial way is the attraction of our pseudo-republic system. The benefits of a republic without another tier of Government and some president poking her/his nose into things.
        
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        September 28, 2016 1:59pm
      - labrator
        
        Huh, I’d been wondering why an innocuous comment was in moderation Jack5, no problem…
        
        I’m fine with the GG acting only ceremonially, I thought mikenmild’s comments were pretty funny but they did make me wonder when the last time the GG ever had to do something significant (in terms of outcome). I’ve become so complacent about the GG’s current role, I’ve forgotten that they (apparently) do have significant power they can wield if needed.
        
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        September 28, 2016 2:04pm
    - Viking2
      
      The campaign, Hobson’s Pledge, is named after the first governor of New Zealand, Captain William Hobson, and his statement upon signing the Treaty of Waitangi that “we are now one people”.
      
      Brash said the catalyst for the campaign was a number of government policies which would “create a constitutional preference for those with a Maori ancestor”, such as proposed changes to the Resource Management Act to require iwi involvement.
      
      “I’m not trying to win another election – I’m out of politics – but I want to avoid New Zealand drifting further into a racially-based society.”
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84742581/antiseparatist-campaign-launched-against-maori-favouritism-ahead-of-2017-election?cid=facebook.post.84742581
      
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      September 28, 2016 8:59pm
  - Viking2
    
    How about asking a question.
    Why do we need a GG that is supposedly a sharp legal mind?
    What skull duggery is National up to?
    What are they planning re Treaty Of Waitangi, elected and appointed positions in Govt?
    Given the clauses that seem to have been inserted in some af the Treaty deals should we be more carefully scrutinizing these things.
    Her appointment must have been one of the best kept secrets prior to the announcement.
    I have yet to see a justifiable reason for appointing Ready.
    
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    September 28, 2016 8:19pm
William of Ockham

Watched the Drumpf and Judy show.

Every punch was parried with wry amusement.

His real strength is his fake tan.
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September 28, 2016 12:24pm
Don the Kiwi

Just a few of the problems the Obamaessiah has brought to the USA, and Hillary will continue and worsen.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/economics/whats-killing-american-dream

Just a bunch of stinking socialists.
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September 28, 2016 12:31pm
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi ,
  I thought Trump rejected trickle down theory and supply-side economics ?
  
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  September 28, 2016 2:01pm
- William of Ockham
  
  You wouldn’t recognise a stinking socialist if one slithered up your rrrs and stroked your spleen.
  
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  September 28, 2016 4:59pm
Jack5

Ahoy Griff! The marijuana mayoral candiate cuts loose!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/84733917/auckland-mayoral-brawl-candidate-defends-allahu-akbar-cry
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September 28, 2016 12:45pm
Jack5

Radio NZ’s Labour Radio in the lunchtime international segment brings in the BBC for a snooty sneer at Trump.

It’s almost enough to make you hope Trump wins.
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September 28, 2016 12:47pm
Manolo

More on what dave_c said: All sort of theories on the crook Clinton.
https://conservativedailypost.com/who-was-on-the-other-end-of-hillarys-earpiece/
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September 28, 2016 1:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, you and dave c are obviously very fond clutching at threadbare straws and wild speculation going way back to Birtherism ,” The Kenyan ” thingy and other shape-shifting lizard stuff .
  
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  September 28, 2016 1:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X:
    
    Shape lifting lizard stuff. Ridiculous stuff that, just like millions of people stoning a big cube of rock because they think it’s the “devil”.
    
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    September 28, 2016 2:50pm
- jonar
  
  It’s on the internet, it must be true.
  
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  September 28, 2016 2:33pm
All_on_Red

After a couple of decades of decline Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released Monday by the FBI.
The last two years have seen a rise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.14f0f17e8d62
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September 28, 2016 2:15pm
- Manolo
  
  Isn’t the Messiah doing a fantastic job?
  
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  September 28, 2016 3:24pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “My favorite part about the Obama era is all the racial healing”
    Jon Gabriel
    
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    September 28, 2016 3:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The fact that America has had it’s first and largely successful African American President speaks volumes .
      Unfortunately ongoing racial prejudice and bigotry towards them did not magically disappear under his watch largely thanks to right tard types like Manolo and yourself .
      
      http://www.livescience.com/55337-unconscious-racial-bias.html
      
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      September 28, 2016 5:28pm
rightoverlabour

If you have the time, read this. http://www.breitbart.com/jihad/2016/09/27/10-things-milo-hates-islam/
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September 28, 2016 2:35pm
stephieboy

rightoverlabour ,

But one of the many items Milol Yiannopoulos,lists and gets wrong or is highly questionable is where he cites the Centre for Security Policy a far right wing conspiracy orientated think-tank that is militantly Islamaphobic . That poll they conducted is highly questionable full of skewed and loaded questions directed at the US Muslim community to get the answers they want ,

,https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/center-security-policy

I wonder if Yiannopoulos and Breitbart wants Trump to stop supporting those Muslims – Kurds ,Iraqis , Syrians , Iranians who are presently battling ISIS and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan .
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September 28, 2016 2:55pm
- All_on_Red
  
  No, I’m sure that Trump and co are more than happy for them all to fight it out- over there. So they can stay there and not come to the US or the UK or NZ.
  Islam is incompatible with western beliefs.
  
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  September 28, 2016 3:10pm
mikenmild

It’s always fun to see what’s up in Jesusland. Fundie nutcases can’t have boys playing sport with girls:
http://deadspin.com/high-school-boys-soccer-team-forfeits-rather-than-risk-1787043793
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September 28, 2016 3:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The Muslims are the same. What’s wrong with all these Sky fairy believers and their intolerence.
  Bunch of nutters.
  
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  September 28, 2016 3:20pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Nice to see you acknowledge at last that sky fairy belief is not unique to Islam
    
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    September 28, 2016 5:20pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Always have been a believer in a Secular society. You obviously aren’t given your unwavering support for the followers of Islam.
      
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      September 28, 2016 6:08pm
- Gabby
  
  Whew. Mass cootie outbreak averted.
  
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  September 28, 2016 5:47pm
- Scott
  
  Mikey out of a clear blue sky always feels the need to disparage Christians. No need for Christians to do anything to upset him personally. Just them living and getting on with their lives is enough.
  Not everyone can be a secular success story like you Mikey. Some of us need divine help.
  
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  September 28, 2016 5:50pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I guess that depends on how you define “success story” Scott. If having a public service job that allows him to spend all day on Kiwiblog constitutes success, the mikenmild has it in spades. Personally, I set my sights a little higher.
    
    And yes, I’m a follower of Jesus as well, not that I ram it down people’s throats. I need divine help more than most 😀
    
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    September 28, 2016 6:19pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Getting on with their lives? By telling their sons they can’t play sport with girls?
    
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    September 28, 2016 6:40pm
- Fletch
  
  OK, but it begs the question – why do men and women not play on professional sports teams together? Discrimination? Yes, of course; just discrimination. Men are naturally stronger than women and so you don’t mix sports teams that way. So why should a school team be any different? because they’re only kids? That’s a poor reason.
  
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  September 28, 2016 6:30pm
  - mikenmild
    
    That’s not a poor reason, actually. Many sports are mixed at a junior level.
    Even if the girls were much poorer than the boys in this team, would that necessarily be a reason to exclude them?
    And that’s not the reason why the Christians wouldn’t let their boys play against girls anyway.
    BTW – speaking as a pedant – it’s not ‘begging’ the question, it’s asking or posing the question.
    
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    September 28, 2016 6:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don’t muddle up a packet of fags with a pistol in your pocket
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/omar-chaouk-wept-after-shooting-himself-in-testicle-during-crime-spree-court-told-20160927-grpjqz.html
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September 28, 2016 5:06pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy….
  
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  September 28, 2016 5:26pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Well Oscar Pistorius could do us all the same favour.
    No tears would be wept here
    
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    September 28, 2016 6:55pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  This should be mandatory sentence for all child sex offenders. Recidivism would be low.
  
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  September 28, 2016 7:00pm
rightoverlabour

Fuck Stuff.co.nz are morons…..

The headline suggest she got arrested.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/84732912/Katy-Perry-gets-arrested-for-stripping-off-in-a-polling-station-in-a-Funny-Or-Die-voting-sketch
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September 28, 2016 5:32pm
starboard

Here you go mm..you were wondering earlier

“Separatism by Nats Looms as Election Issue”

“Ms Costello who, with former National Party leader Don Brash, represents a new national campaign named Hobson’s Pledge, launched today, [28 Sep 2016] said that successive Governments have taken New Zealand further and further away from the kind of country that most New Zealanders want – one where everybody is equal before the law.”

http://wp.me/p3Avhv-1dL
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September 28, 2016 6:17pm
- mikenmild
  
  Yeah, I saw that earlier. Like I said, what happened to the 1Law4All crowd that was last pushing this barrow?
  
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  September 28, 2016 6:46pm
  - starboard
    
    Does everything need to be spelt out to you MM?
    They are there..in black and white. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder over them ?
    You sound like you are happy with one law for one lot of Kiwis and another law for the rest? How could this be? I never took you to be a racist MM ?
    
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    September 28, 2016 6:52pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Just pointing out that they are likely to be as successful as the last attempt to set up a political party on this single issue.
    
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    September 28, 2016 7:17pm
    - starboard
      
      Its very unlike you to point things out mm..very unusual..
      
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      September 28, 2016 7:20pm
  - Griff
    
    Same people mm just a rebrand.
    The website is one law for all .
    
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    September 28, 2016 7:22pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Oh, so failing to get traction with one brand, they have concluded the problem is branding, not the concept?
      
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      September 28, 2016 7:33pm
      - starboard
        
        So you are alright with forced maori seats etc, not voted for, but forced upon..because they are maori..
        
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        September 28, 2016 7:51pm
      - Icarus
        
        Troll ^^^
        
        [gosh this is so easy, rather than all that thinking nonsense. I can see why he does it]
        
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        September 28, 2016 7:59pm
Reid

This is interesting.

Turkey Trying to ‘Break up Alliance Between US and Syrian Kurds’

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/20160926/1045699249/turkey-us-syria-kurds.html

Interesting because obviously the US isn’t going to do anything unless Turkey cancels its reactions to the US coup attempt, and will Erdogan do that? Probably not I daresay, but it’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.

The US BTW support the Kurds because that nation has a crucial part in the divide-and-rule-by-separating-ME nations ruled by secular dictators into seething cess-pools of mayhem and violence-then-build-a-pipeline-to Europe-to-screw-Russia strategy.

That’s what’s at stake and Erdogan knows that but he’s calculating Turkey is the critical lynchpin toward securing Syria for the US pipeline without which victory the Kurds are irrelevant.

So what’s the US going to do?
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September 28, 2016 6:52pm
- Gabby
  
  Well, shaft the Kurds, again, of course.
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:07pm
Stars And Stripes

Massey racism provokes call for university name change
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/84753337/massey-racism-provokes-call-for-university-name-change
It’s reached New Zealand now with the PC revisionists rounding on figures from NZ history and trying to condemn them.
Maybe need to review this guys public funding as well if this is all he has to occupy his time.
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September 28, 2016 6:52pm
- wiseowl
  
  Pleased someone else saw that .
  I demand they change the name of the stadium in Porirua.
  Named after someone responsible for slavery,murder and appalling atrocities.
  Talk about blood boiling.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:50pm
- wiseowl
  
  Elers is from a tribe that missed out on payment in a land purchase when they were down to 45 members.
  Settlers supported them and took claims to the privy council who awarded them 4500 acres or 100 acres each.
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:26pm
- Jack5
  
  Elers is a lecturer in Massey’s “School” of communication, journalism and marketing .
  
  His online details describe him as being a Ph. D. candidate and “Auckland University of Technology vice-chancellor’s doctoral scholarship recipient and a Waikato-Tainui doctoral scholarship recipient”.
  
  A political activist.
  
  On the wananga.tearapoutama web site I found this about Elers:
  
  He has a master degree in public relations and has a range of work experience including four years as a police officer in Australia. His PhD research is an examination of Maori perspectives of the constructed identities of Maori that are portrayed in television advertisements such as Ghost Chips, It’s Not OK etc. The purpose of the research is not to measure the efficacy of the campaigns but to obtain Maori perspectives of the campaigns. It is hoped that this research will assist future designs of public relations / social marketing campaigns that are targeted at Maori. Upon completion of his doctorate he wants to continue in academia and encourage Maori to enter communication studies in order to promulgate Maori views by working in media, public relations, government etc.
  
  After a Bay of Plenty police siege, Elers appeared on TVNZ’s show, Breakfast Today and the TVNZ web site reports this :
  
  … Steve Elers said he wouldn’t be comfortable talking with non-Maori police officers.
  
  “If a cop knocks on the door, he’d better be Maori or I’m shutting the door and asking for an iwi liaison officer.”
  
  Elers’s tribal affiliations are listed as: Ngati Kauwhata, Ngati Haua, Ngati Maniapoto, Ngati Kahungunu ki Wairarapa, and Ngai Tahu. I wonder whether Elers was born in Australia and whether he is an Australian citizen.
  
  Would you want to scrutinise graduates who had been indoctrinated by Elers before hiring them?
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:41pm
Icarus

Well as predicted the msm are frantic at re-imaging Hillary’s embarrassing debate as some sort of win.

Trump was composed and Presidential, which they re-branded as dull, in contrast to their earlier branding.

The only question is if there are enough stupid rotten people in the USA to vote that evil vile candidate in to carry out the war agenda of her sponsors.
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September 28, 2016 8:05pm
Reid

Big media made a deal with the Clinton devil long ago

http://personalliberty.com/big-media-made-deal-clinton-devil-long-ago/
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September 28, 2016 8:08pm
- Icarus
  
  Reid you crazy loon. The evil filth that support Hillary are immune to evidence. If they cared about that stuff they would never have supported her.
  
  They use Hillary supporting as an expression of their inner rage against life and society. The have re-branded this hatred and negativity as – caring and compassion. In their hearts lays pure hatred and evil.
  
  And that is the “normal” Hillary supporter. It gets much worse when you look into the mind of people like the Griff/stephieboy troll creature.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:14pm
Nostradamus

That Auckland mayoral anti-debate is hilarious.

The event description:

There are 18 people running to be Mayor of Auckland for the next three years. Unfortunately, so far you’ve really only heard from four of them.

It’s not right that the candidate polling 4th has been excluded from the debates so far. It’s not right that a candidate who is just graduating from University was not included in the debate hosted by her alumnus! It’s not right that 14 candidates are being deprived of a platform

AUSA is hosting the debate that no one else will – the Anti-Debate. We are inviting all of the candidates to appear, so you can hear from the 14 who haven’t been invited to the major debates.

Well, speaking for myself, I hope we don’t hear from any of these nutters (and I exclude Chloe Swarbrick from the list) again!

And the star candidate:

We’ve had a last minute confirmation from mayoral candidate Alezix Heneti!

A four time Auckland mayoral candidate, Heneti said she has business and deal-making success.

The businesswoman said she closed nearly $1.4 million in government contracts in just over 20 minutes.

Of Tuhoe and Ngatikahangungu descent, Heneti has also previously run for mayor in Hamilton and the Far North.

Good grief…
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September 28, 2016 8:30pm
nasska

Plans are afoot to make lessons about sex and relationships compulsory in all NZ’s schools from ages five to sixteen. A spokesman said: “Girls will be taught the importance of establishing confidence and stability in a relationship before suddenly changing their minds. Whereas boys will be taught how to let it all wash over them.”

Exam papers will be astonishingly easy. For girls the answer to every question will be “Oh nothing!” and for boys it will be “Fuck this shit, I’m off to the pub.”
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September 28, 2016 8:31pm
- Icarus
  
  Easier than that.
  
  1. Women are virtuous victims.
  
  2. Men are evil rapist pigs.
  
  Get either question wrong and you are an evil rapist pig. So really its just one question.
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:35pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Years ago, I picked up this girl in the Pub. Being the first date she said she wanted the sex to be magical. So after we had done it , I disappeared…
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:05pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Did you see this comment from Starboard?

Maybe he’s a Brethren..they’re not supposed to use computers, fax machines etc etc..? he may just write everything down on rolls of shit paper.

I guess that’s one way to post Kiwiblog comments – but even the most dedicated commentator might call it quits after being surrounded by reams of toilet paper with 25,000+ comments on them!
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September 28, 2016 8:40pm
- nasska
  
  On reading the post it’s hard to disagree with the sentiment expressed Nostra. He could however, have enlarged somewhat on the used/unused status of the paper. 🙂
  
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  September 28, 2016 8:45pm
Jack5

China’s 400,000 hackers poking around the web (how soon will they pop up on Kiwiblog?:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/hackers-are-having-a-field-day-on-china-s-wild-web
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September 28, 2016 9:29pm
- Icarus
  
  They cant be worse than the Griff/stehpieboy/ sparrow , troll entity .
  
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  September 28, 2016 9:59pm
Reid

Radio Sputnik discussed the situation in Syria with American journalist, author and columnist specializing in intelligence and international affairs, Wayne Madsen.

The expert commented on the US role in Syria as well as the result of its military activities in the country.

“This is a big mess. The United States has to recognize the fact that they got themselves involved in a big mess and get out of Syria, get out of Iraq, let the Kurds and the Syrian government take care of this situation,” Madsen said. “Every time they get involved in something they make the situation worse. Other parties try to make this situation better.”

That’s exactly correct, as history shows, to all but profound and total morons who continue to hallucinate all poor widdle US of A wants to do is spwead peace and democwacy evewywhere it goes but the big bad meanies keep getting in the way and wuining evewything and the poor widdle US of A just has to step in the clear up the mess that just somehow appeared, for no reason, out of nowhere.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/20160926/1045721328/trump-end-wa-syria.html
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September 28, 2016 9:31pm
rangitoto

Turned on the telly to hear Latte talking shite about the “good old days”. I actually remember those days. No thanks.
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September 28, 2016 9:35pm
Manolo

Is the crook Clinton healthy?
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1fa5d876cd9e4d899b277574f84b9d96/ap-poll-voters-more-confident-trumps-health-office

The AP-GfK poll found 51 percent of voters are very or extremely confident that Trump is healthy enough to be president. In contrast, just over a third of voters — 36 percent — had the same confidence in Clinton’s health.
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September 28, 2016 9:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

South Australia … no power
1.6M without electrickery
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/84769346/state-in-the-dark-south-australias-major-power-outage
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September 28, 2016 10:00pm
- sam green
  
  Omigosh Maggy. What would we do if the power went off?
  
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  September 28, 2016 10:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @sam green
    we could huddle together and share our bodies’ warmth.
    
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    September 28, 2016 10:22pm
    - sam green
      
      Goodness me!
      
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      September 28, 2016 11:12pm
      - sam green
        
        I’m sure we could recharge the whole of South Australia.
        
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        September 28, 2016 11:18pm
Griff

ROFL
I see that Kea /Icarus/ krissx is having an issue with being called a troll .
Poor poor pathetic sad little thing .
Get nursy to give you a hug Kea.
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September 28, 2016 10:27pm
Jack5

Why people are shaking their heads about the humanities staffs of universities …

Many University of Sydney academics oppose the university granting an honorary Ph. D. to former Australian Prime Minister John Howard.

More than a hundred of them have signed a petition that says:

“To confer a doctorate on him is an insult to Indigenous people, refugees, and anyone committed to multiculturalism, peace and social progress in this country and in the world.”

The Sydney Morning Herald report shows these academics blame the former PM for rising Right-wing views in Australia.

“Howard’s jingoistic, divisive and reactionary politics are directly responsible for the widening fractures in our society, starkly revealed just last week by the Essential Poll that found that 49 per cent of Australians support a ban on Muslim immigration.”

Howard has responded, calm and civil: “They are entitled to their views”.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/university-of-sydney-academics-protest-honorary-degree-for-racist-and-war-criminal-john-howard-20160928-grqf2h.html
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September 28, 2016 10:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Senator Nick Xenophon is pointing the finger at South Australia’s rush to go renewable…

“Senator Xenophon linked the incident to South Australia’s reliance on renewable energy.

“I support renewable energy, I support the Renewable Energy Target, but it’s how you achieve it and how you achieve sensible greenhouse gas reduction policies,” he said.

“This has not been sensible, it has been reckless — we have relied too much on wind rather than baseload renewables, rather than baseload power, including gas which is a fossil fuel but it is 50 per cent cleaner than coal and a good transitional fuel.

“We need a full independent inquiry. What I’m worried about now is that there are many vulnerable people in my home state that are at real risk of their health so we need to deal with that — this is an emergency.

“This is a textbook case of how not to do it and I cannot fathom, I can’t believe, that my state is in darkness at the moment.

“This should not have happened and if heads have to roll, so be it.”
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September 28, 2016 10:33pm
- Jack5
  
  Helen Clark will need a job soon. Perhaps the South Australia state government could hire her as official apologiser. Nearly all South Australian homes will have chairs, so she wouldn’t have to wreck her knees with continual kneeling.
  
  South Australia’s coal resources are more than 23 billion tonnes. However, its last coal-fired power station has closed.
  
  One of the problems with solar power that (with wind power) is replacing coal is that solar generation can’t service peak demands outside daylight hours. You get a windless night and you’ll likely be reading by candle light.
  
  http://theconversation.com/south-australia-is-now-coal-free-and-batteries-could-fill-the-energy-gap-59164
  
  http://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/black-coal/submissions/department_of_primary_industries_and_resources_south_australia_/sub046.pdf
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    and I think they had to turn off all the turbines in the windfarms (16 of them – supplying 40% of the State’s energy) as the storm rolled in.
    
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    September 28, 2016 11:15pm
- Griff
  
  Yip maggy the grid goes down because of extreme weather and it is the fault of renewable generation.
  Except they mostly use bloody gas.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_South_Australia
  Right now the only thing running is the renewable capacity.
  http://www.nem-watch.info/widgets/RenewEconomy/
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:19pm
- sam green
  
  Senator Xenophon from Planet Zeephos says …….
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:20pm
  - sam green
    
    What a fucking cool name. I want it!
    
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    September 28, 2016 11:29pm
  - rangitoto
    
    He looks in good shape for someone over 2,300 years old.
    
    Ξενοφῶν
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:03am
  - Jack5
    
    It would be great to see more X names in the NZ white pages, and I don’t mean X-rated. The x keys on keyboards aren’t getting their fair share of attention. Look at the wear on your A,S,D, and E keys. Hardly any.
    
    Somewhere there’s a tabloid hack called Xenophon, son of a famous xylophonist and whose stories are so xanthic even his teeth are xanthodontous. Xenophon jun. has XX-crossed every X-rated magazine boss he’s worked for. Funny looking little bugger – reminds you of a xerus. Got sacked by one woman editor because he kept sending her notes signed just “X”.
    
    At least unlike Russian names that begin with X, the name Xenophon doesn’t come into English as starting with Kh – as happened with the Ukrainian, Хрущёв (Khrushchev).
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:22am
Maggy Wassilieff

South Australia has been having problems with its heavily subsidised renewals..

http://www.theage.com.au/business/south-australia-pays-the-price-for-heavy-reliance-on-renewable-energy-20160928-grqq9k.html
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September 28, 2016 11:24pm
Griff

I am sorry that you want to live in the past maggy
The grid went down.
That is not the fault of renewables it is the fault of the grid .
We had the same here when Auckland lost a cable and the other parts of the grid were not robust enough to cope.
Stronger storms are part of the physics of global warming
All weather we now have is changed by the global warming we have already seen.,
This sort of thing will become more common in the future because we took head of a bunch of smegwits and failed to act sooner.
You are part of the problem not the solution.
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September 28, 2016 11:33pm
- Jack5
  
  Griff:
  
  And wind power has made South Australian electricity prices so volatile the swings are threatening the state’s economy.
  
  In July prices prices swung from more than $(A)500 a megawatt hour to up to $14,000(A). This led to some of the state’s biggest employers threatening shut downs.
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-28/sa-energy-price-'big-lessons'-for-nation/7667486
  
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  September 28, 2016 11:57pm
- Shunda barunda
  
  Damage from storms, more damage from earthquakes, tsunamis – anything is a result of higher population, larger urban centers, and greater exposure of critical (and increasingly high tech) infrastructure to risk.
  A massive solar storm could effectively wipe out the global economy overnight now, where as 100 years ago it would just make pretty lights in the sky.
  Global warming has nothing to do with it.
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:06am
  - Griff
    
    here is a graph of disasters notice that geological ones show little change compared to climate related events .
    http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/climatechange/2013/590x249_11151949_screen-shot-2013-11-15-at-1.35.00-pm.png
    
    That is proof that more extreme weather is to blame not increasing population or infrastructure .
    The same information can be sourced from a number of different places including from the large re insurance firms
    
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    September 29, 2016 12:19am
    - Jack5
      
      Well Griff, you certainly back your opinion with lots of reading and figures.
      
      As people have said before, why didn’t you take the glass-half-full action and head south instead of north.
      
      Land is cheaper in Southland than in the north, and if there is global warming, it should soon be growing interesting crops that at present require a warmer climate. Kiwifruit, grapes, perhaps even later citrus fruit.
      
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      September 29, 2016 12:32am
- starboard
  
  Tinfoil hat ..much.
  
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  September 29, 2016 12:38am
Manolo

The crook Clinton is chasing the black vote:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-florida-black-voters-228822
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September 29, 2016 7:09am
Manolo

When will U.K. Labour split?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811307/Hapless-Jeremy-Corbyn-facing-rebellion-shadow-cabinet-saying-NO-curbs-EU-immigration.html
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