General Debate 27 September 2016

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Manolo

Our resident multiculturalist would approve:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ahead-debate-trump-endorsed-u-immigration-officers-100639011.html

(Reuters) – Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump picked up the endorsement on Monday of the union representing 5,000 federal immigration officers, a boost of support for his immigration policy ahead of his first debate with Democrat Hillary Clinton.
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September 27, 2016 8:02am
- Icarus
  
  That is a very original topic to start the day manolo. Great work. Have you got more like that ?
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:24am
  - Jack5
    
    So we’re going to have another day of trolling from Icarus. I suspect he’s trolling from inside a very secure room.
    
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    September 27, 2016 10:08am
    - Icarus
      
      Trolling is what you are doing sunshine. Making inflamitory remarks you are unable to support with a reasoned argument.
      
      If you want people to stop calling you out, then stop talking shit. Crying troll only makes you look like a coward as well as stupid.
      
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      September 27, 2016 12:15pm
    - sam green
      
      Jack5 – Icarus has just given us a great example of the “no you” debating style.
      
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      September 27, 2016 1:00pm
      - Icarus
        
        Instead of shooting the messenger and crying troll like a baby, you could consider the very long journey towards elevating yourself from the sewer sam.
        
        You can start that daunting task by addressing the debate, rather than the person.
        
        I know you lack upbringing and education, but at least make an effort.
        
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        September 27, 2016 1:13pm
      - sam green
        
        Icarus – the original Angry Bird.
        
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        September 27, 2016 3:43pm
      - Icarus
        
        Come on sam, try and have a crack at an actual debate instead of name calling and snarling from the sidelines.. Elevate yourself a bit and overcome your disadvantages a little.
        
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        September 27, 2016 3:48pm
      - sam green
        
        Apologies Hot Chocolate – “It started with a troll ….” from you Icarus – the great pretender.
        
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        September 27, 2016 11:13pm
Chuck Bird

I heard Mark Hanagan claim the judge is well respected. He should have said was well respected.

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/what-you-need-to-know-about-name-suppression

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11717458
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September 27, 2016 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Judges work with the dregs of society day in and day out.
  
  So why do they not see that the kiss&cuddle policy isn’t working?
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:11am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What data support your statement that “the kiss&cuddle policy isn’t working”?
    
    Re-offending rates are lower where young offenders are treated as young people in need of help rather than criminals in need of punishment.
    
    Consider. Here is a misbehaving youth who has made some idiotic mistakes but will in all probability grow out of it in due course. Suppose though that instead, we want to make absolutely sure that instead he grows up to be a hardened, habitual criminal.
    
    Can you think of a better way to ensure that, than to confine him in an environment where the only people he will meet, form relationships with and learn from, are hardened habitual criminals?
    
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    September 27, 2016 8:19am
    - Lance
      
      Did you read what happened to the victims???????
      
      It was savage and barbaric and the fucker doesn’t even have to pay for their recovery.
      What a steaming crock of shit
      
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      September 27, 2016 8:22am
    - Icarus
      
      It’s pragmatic. Destroying someones life for a mistake will not benefit society and only create more issues in future.
      
      Though I understand the other point of view and feel my own blood boil about these crimes.
      
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      September 27, 2016 8:28am
      - Lance
        
        That was a mistake?
        If I make a mistake’ and damage someone else’s car, I have to pay to get it fixed
        
        So why no reparation for this deliberate act of wanton savagery? It probably cost them and the tax payer hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct costs alone, let alone the trauma and pain.
        
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        September 27, 2016 8:32am
      - srylands
        
        It is bullshit. This was a violent crime caused by alcohol. It may not mention that in the article but I guarantee it.
        
        This would be my deal with the rugby player to avoid conviction.
        
        A public apology.
        
        Reparations to the victims.
        
        A lifetime prohibition on alcohol or drugs consumption.
        
        If the last condition is broken he gets convicted of the assault and sentenced to the maximum penalty for that offence.
        
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        September 27, 2016 8:35am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        This was a violent crime caused by alcohol.
        
        No crimes are “caused” by alcohol, they’re caused by people choosing to act on criminal intent. This piece of shit hung out on the street looking for someone to beat up not because alcohol forced him to, but because he’s the kind of shit who hangs out on the street looking for people to beat up.
        
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        September 27, 2016 10:16am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Apologies to Psycho Milt – I did not mean to report you, I meant to respond to your comment.
        
        Let’s assume you are right that “he’s the kind of sh*t who hangs out on the street looking for people to beat up”. Do you think he is more likely to stop being that as a result of spending eighteen months meeting nobody except even worse pieces of sh*t, or as a result of spending time having it demonstrated that there are better ways to behave?
        
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        September 27, 2016 11:47am
      - deadrightkev
        
        Society needs lessons and consequences.
        
        Doing next to nothing sends exactly the wrong message and I do not want my family members on the end of someone like this because of a weak spineless judiciary. It is already pathetic.
        
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        September 27, 2016 12:44pm
    - cmm
      
      “Re-offending rates are lower”
      
      No they are not lower. All that happens is we are deluding ourselves by giving these criminals (and I use that term deliberately) diversions so they don’t show up in the stats. The “tag and release” policies etc.
      
      “Can you think of a better way to ensure that, than to confine him in an environment where the only people he will meet, form relationships with and learn from, are hardened habitual criminals?”
      
      That is “ambulance at the bottom of the cliff thinking”. If a 19 year old is running around violently stomping people then the die is cast – he’s a violent criminal well on his way to a life of crime.
      
      What we need is harsher punishments earlier so that the connection is made in his pea brain that criminal behaviour has consequences and those consequences are unpleasant.
      
      If we let someone off for crimes like these all we end up with is a bloke (and his mates and others watching) that violent criminal behaviour has no real consequences. He should have been stopped with serious consequences when he was 13 or 14 – tagging, bullying or doing whatever other crap he was doing.
      
      We see the same in that French bastard who was let off for shoplifting. All he had to do way pay for the good he stole. That sends the message that the justice system is weak. Why not try shoplifting if the worst is you’ll just have to pay for the item.
      
      This is how society rots.
      
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      September 27, 2016 9:15am
      - Hajji
        
        Most of our problems with the criminal class could be solved quickly and cheaply by the introduction of the rattan cane applied severely and mercilessly, and mandatory reparations.
        
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        September 27, 2016 9:37am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Your data for “re-offending rates are not lower”, please.
        
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        September 27, 2016 11:44am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Here is a misbehaving youth who has made some idiotic mistakes…
      
      Trying to pick a fight with people who don’t want to fight you, and savagely beating them when they won’t in a way that could easily kill them, isn’t an “idiotic mistake,” it’s a deliberate and malicious serious violent crime. We’re now teaching that him that deliberate and malicious serious violent crime is something he won’t be punished for because he’s good at rugby. Anyone expecting a good outcome from that is fucked in the head.
      
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      September 27, 2016 10:20am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        He’s not “not being punished”. He is being punished in a way which is more likely to lead to him not re-offending than is banging him up in a place where the only people he will meet are habitual criminals. Isn’t that the outcome we want?
        
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        September 27, 2016 11:37am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        If you dispute the claim that he’s gone unpunished, can you describe what the punishment he was given consisted of? Because it hasn’t been mentioned in any of the news reports.
        
        It’s also not clear to me how letting him away with malicious, unprovoked and serious violent assaults is “more likely to lead to him not re-offending.” Isn’t getting away with the crimes you commit actually very likely to lead to further offending?
        
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        September 27, 2016 12:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      His brother was also involved in the incident.
      This Filipo was charged with 4 lesser charges and convicted.
      (Bet he wishes he had made rugby his career)
      
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      September 27, 2016 11:50am
      - GoVege
        
        What do you know?
        It runs in the family!
        I wonder WHY?
        Maybe if our police had been a bit more proactive about dealing with family violence a couple of decades ago, our streets (and homes) might be a lot safer now.
        
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        September 27, 2016 8:59pm
  - starboard
    
    Because they are run by the UN..they must do as they are told. Much like John Key..who’s arm do you think is up his arse?
    
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    September 27, 2016 9:10am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Do judges follow the progress of the people they convict?
    
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    September 27, 2016 9:20am
    - Icarus
      
      Before sentencing a Judge receives numerous reports into the defendants circumstances and lifestyle. The angry KB lynch mob does not get to see any of that.
      
      The Judge will be able to see any progress, or lack of, from those reports. Remember you only hear about the failures. That is not a good basis to entirely do away with sentences that try to address the underlying cause of crime and take a more holistic view.
      
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      September 27, 2016 12:29pm
- Lance
  
  Oh well, it was a victim-less crime.
  Four innocent people weren’t savagely assaulted for no good reason and one doesn’t need plastic surgery. Others haven’t had to take a year off work due to serious injury after being repeatedly stomped on the head.
  So no need for a conviction, no punishment, no reparations.
  
  … no… wait
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:19am
  - wiseowl
    
    This Filipo character was only 17 at the time of the assault and as it was in the early hours of the morning one could assume he and fellow thugs had been drinking somewhere.
    What is the legal drinking age?
    Rugby should not matter in this case.What an arse .Wellington Rugby should wipe their hands of this guy and the PC Mr Tew should re think his policy of diversity .
    
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    September 27, 2016 8:50am
    - godruelf
      
      As he was only 17 at the time does it mean that under the proposed changes by National that he would be in future be before the Youth Court and not have a record anyway? If the changes go through how many more will slip under the Radar.
      
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      September 27, 2016 9:06am
      - Jack5
        
        This is one of the most interesting aspects of this assault.
        
        Thirty-three groups have written jointly to the Prime Minister calling for the the youth court age to be raised to 18.
        
        Children’s Commissioner and former principal youth court judge Andrew Becroft said in an interview:
        
        “We are just entirely out of step and we just can’t go on simply ignoring it year after year – it’s just unacceptable and it represents really an enduring stain on our otherwise good justice record.
        
        “It’s got to be fixed, it’s got to be addressed and it’s got to be done now.”
        
        He added:
        
        “The Youth Court has still open to it the very serious sentences where young people can be convicted and transferred to the district court for sentence.
        
        “So if public safety is the concern, you can almost guarantee that every 17-year-old who goes to prison now, would still go to prison.”
        
        Of course there would be a veil of secrecy around the charge, and the rugby thug in Wellington, tried in a youth court, wouldn’t be shamed by publicity.
        
        Being cited in the youth court push is the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child. Becroft was to have talked to this foreign group in Geneva last Thursday.
        
        Let’s hope National doesn’t cave in to Becroft and Co. on the youth court age.
        
        I think Becroft at other times has suggested raising the youth court age to 19.
        
        Then it would be open slather for the thugs.
        
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        September 27, 2016 10:41am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        It would appear that if he was tried in the Youth Court that he would not only get discharged without conviction but permanent name suppression as well.
        
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        September 27, 2016 10:42am
    - WineOh
      
      WTF has diversity got to do with it?
      
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      September 27, 2016 9:06am
      - WineOh
        
        Given the downticks, I should probably expand on this. There is no indication that this young player was chosen based on anything other than raw talent other than ethnicity. Others are claiming that he is/was a prodigy.
        
        That in no way of course explains his reckless and thuggish behaviour. I don’t understand why Rugby players are treated so leniently when they behave badly compared to others – much as I love watching the game.
        
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        September 27, 2016 9:50am
    - CharlieBrown
      
      It’s not serious, it’s not like he hired a stripper gee.
      
      The real arse is the judge, I hope something like this happens to someone close to him. Perhaps someone should launch an appeal on how manifestly unjust the sentence was.
      
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      September 27, 2016 9:51am
      - RF
        
        I am waiting for the Police to appeal the cowardly piece of shit non conviction.
        
        Takes a lot to raise my blood pressure and it is now going through the roof when I think of this gutless woman beating bastard.
        
        I also hope that the Chief Judge becomes involved as I know Wellngton is like a hive full of bees at present.
        
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        September 27, 2016 12:29pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  What on earth does the piece on name suppression have to do with this case Chuck? There was no suppression order made in the Filipo case, so whilst he might have escaped a conviction, in many ways things just got worse for him because every bush lawyer and media “personality” in the country will now draw attention to his offending.
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:26am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    My mistake with my cut and paste,
    
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    September 27, 2016 8:33am
  - Happychappy
    
    It’s going to be interesting to hear what Parliament’s Polynesian MP’s have to say on this subject, especially Labours
    
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    September 27, 2016 8:36am
    - 3-coil
      
      Happychappy (8:36am) – not to mention Willie Jackson! He couldn’t shut up about the privileged “white rich-lister’s son” (Delegat) going “unpunished”….waiting to hear Willie’s flip-flop apologist excuses for this little brown thug.
      
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      September 27, 2016 8:49am
      - WineOh
        
        Doncha know… rugby players are considered ‘honourary whites’ …
        
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        September 27, 2016 9:07am
      - Colville
        
        Filpo aint a “little” thug. Around 105 kg professional athlete no comparison to the Delegat nancy boy
        
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        September 27, 2016 10:01am
    - Jack5
      
      It would be interesting to know whether the rugby thug was born in New Zealand.
      
      If this happened in Australia, and he was born in either New Zealand or somewhere in the Polynesian islands, he would be on the plane.
      
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      September 27, 2016 10:55am
    - GoVege
      
      They won’t say anything.
      Polynesian and Maori leaders steer carefully away from the subject of violence.
      Or mock anybody who tries to get males to stop.
      That’s why it’s not changing.
      
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      September 27, 2016 6:09pm
      - Icarus
        
        “males”
        
        Mother arrested for murder after eight children stabbed to death in Cairns
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/19/at-least-seven-children-killed-in-mass-stabbing-in-cairns
        
        According to court documents, the mother cut their throats open at her home in Memphis.
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3671701/Tennessee-mother-cut-four-children-s-throats-open-butchers-knife-charged-degree-murder.html
        
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        September 27, 2016 6:15pm
      - GoVege
        
        Icarus..it’s well documented that childbirth, especially of a large number of children, upsets a woman’s hormones and can lead to the psychotic behaviour you describe.
        Most of DV and street violence is committed by males.
        
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        September 27, 2016 8:51pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  But wait; only rich whities get preferential treatment by the courts. That’s what the meeja told me….
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:28am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes I spotted that too – there’s both a contrast and a parallel with the dickhead Delegat tuff guy that beat a policewoman senseless in Dunedin. The contrast is their skin colour and gives the lie to the assertion that white defendants are treated more leniently.
    
    But that falls over when you add the other factor that seems to make all the difference – rrrrrugby. That and the resources you can marshal behind you in support of your indefensible actions. In both cases, Delegat and Filipo have had expensive legal representation and a lot of “character” references. People blame this on alcohol, and alcohol plays a part, but it doesn’t cause you to become a thug, it just reveals the thug that was always there.
    
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    September 27, 2016 5:49pm
- virtualmark
  
  Who was the Judge?
  
  Every media story I’ve seen on this so far has been careful not to name (and shame) the Judge. Why?
  
  We the public need to be able to monitor the people we appoint to judge people on our behalf, and if those people we appoint don’t reflect the peoples’ consensus then they should be removed from their positions.
  
  For far too long society has tugged its forelock and prostrated itself in front of judges. Why? Most of them are uninspiring people. And their track record suggests they are far far softer on criminals than the general public wants them to be. Time for some accountability.
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:05am
  - oldpark
    
    Judges Name, Bruce Davidson. His track record even includes an up skirt offender, being discharged without conviction. The no conviction was in 2014, in Wellington.
    
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    September 27, 2016 9:11am
  - GoVege
    
    What I’d like to know is how this teenager became a violent thug?
    Violence is learned.
    Who did he learn it from?
    His family should be explaining how they produced this thug.
    Maybe there are more thugs we don’t know about….yet.
    
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    September 27, 2016 6:15pm
  - GoVege
    
    Don’t hold your breath, virtualmark.
    These judges are answerable to no-one.
    A mate of mine has been trying to get answers from a judge who let off a violent offender with a record.
    After 2 years of trying, his latest delaying tactic is to tell her she must get the agreement of the basher himself!
    
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    September 27, 2016 6:20pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  It’s good to hear that Filipo gets a second chance at life and that he is remorseful.
  
  Has he made any apologies to his victims? Is he helping the young man whose life he has forever changed, finacially? Who is still suffering from the side effects? No?
  
  Remorse comes cheap, apparently.
  
  Watch this guy. Next time he’s had too much to drink, and is let loose in public..
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:58am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Well, in the sense that “remorse” has come to mean a display that the defence lawyer encourages you to make for the judge at sentencing, he has been “remorseful.” I can understand why the crims put on the display, what I can’t understand is why judges treat it as genuine.
    
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    September 27, 2016 10:13am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    According to Stuff, yes he has NW:
    
    Filipo apologised for his actions in a statement to Newshub.
    
    “I took full responsibility for my actions by pleading guilty to the charges and have apologised through my lawyer to the people involved.
    
    “I have been fortunate to have support from throughout the community so that I continue to take positive steps to ensure nothing like this ever happens again.”
    
    I have mixed feelings about this. It was serious offending, which would normally attract jail time. I’m sure alcohol would have been a factor, after all there a few sober people lurking around the streets in the early hours of the morning. Alcohol though, is NOT an excuse, but in a 17-year-old, it can significantly impair judgment.
    
    On the other hand, the publicity the case is attracting today is a significant punishment in itself. Filipo is going to have to live with the consequences of being known as a violent thug, even if this was an isolated, out-of-character incident. The media is now going to hound him, and as some who comment here will know, that can be particularly unpleasant.
    
    Everything published to date suggests that Filipo got off lightly. But there may indeed be something we haven’t yet been told by the media which might counter-balance what has been published.
    
    I’m reserving my decision for a few days.
    
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    September 27, 2016 10:28am
- PhilP
  
  And a little later after the Court appearance he was in town and came across two of his victims and verbally abused them. He should have gone down, fuck the cuddly Judge.
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:14pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  An update – and a welcome one http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11717900
  
  I was even more incensed prior to reading the above, when I read the judge’s “sentencing indication” where he spelled out that if this young thug pleaded guilty he would get a discharge without conviction. He didn’t even have the guts to stand up and say Guilty without being given the word from the “judge” that he would literally get away with serious violence.
  
  Worse were the weasel words Filipo said afterwards: “I took full responsibility for my actions by pleading guilty to the charges” bullshit mate you got told you’d be let off before you pled guilty. And this: “I have been fortunate to have support from throughout the community so that I continue to take positive steps to ensure nothing like this ever happens again.”
  
  It didn’t “happen” you low-life thug – you did it. People say this like it was something that just happened, when what they should be doing is owning their actions and saying so.
  
  I also highly doubt he wrote either of those statements, or the one in which he said he was leaving Wellington Rugby. He’s still dodged a very large bullet and needs to make up for it every day of his life from now on.
  
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  September 27, 2016 5:44pm
Happychappy

Wasn’t it good to see last night on Prime News a mother with five young children caught out in the Coromandel floods and having to sleep in their car not complain or mention the word homeless
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September 27, 2016 8:15am
- Colville
  
  A night sleeping in the car in a flood?…. A good Mum will sell that to the kids as an adventure, a real treat! 🙂
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The mother was doing her best to encourage the kids saying it was’fun’. The eldest child wasn’t so sure about her mothers positive attitude
    
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    September 27, 2016 8:42am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Time to pop the Chloe Swarbrick ‘methane bubble’?

I think so.

In my view the voting public have been totally sold a pup with young Chloe Swarbrick.

Chloe supports PPPs for infrastructure – which means she supports privatisation – which means she supports corporate control over public assets via multi-national companies.

Actually – in my view – Chloe Swarbrick is actually a neo-liberal wolf cub of the female variety – a new young mouthpiece for the corporate 1% and commercial property developers.

How many Auckland voters have been totally swept up and sucked in by this mainstream corporate media manufactured Chloe Swarbrick phenomenon and are now regretting it?

How much responsibility does The Spinoff have in promoting this, in my view, Chloe Swarbrick methane bubble – based on the proverbial?

I’ve just posted this yes/no question on fellow Mayoral candidate Chloe Swarbrick’s Facebook page:

“Hi Chloe – I don’t think I’ve yet had a reply from you to my following question?

Given you have stated that you support Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) for infrastructure, can you please confirm whether or not you support PPPs for water services infrastructure?

Yes or no?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.”

I asked Chloe this straight question a couple of days ago in a discussion on Cathy Casey’s Facebook page – but never got an answer.

Given that water privatisation via Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) has proven to be VERY unpopular historically with the
Auckland voting public, I look forward to Chloe’s prompt and honest reply.

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’
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September 27, 2016 8:26am
- Lance
  
  Hey Penny
  I didn’t vote for you
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:28am
  - stigie
    
    Chloe is very pretty Penny..?
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:46pm
- graham
  
  Oh the irony … Penny complaining that somebody isn’t responding to her questions.
  
  How many times have questions been posed to Penny which she has refused to answer or even acknowledge?
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:32am
- srylands
  
  ““Hi Chloe – I don’t think I’ve yet had a reply from you to my following question?”
  
  Well Penny you have never answered any of my questions. So it is karma.
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:38am
- stephen2d
  
  Old lying hag, who is in the politics just to avoid sorting out her rates.
  
  Edit: oh, allegedly!
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:39am
- G152
  
  Piss off Penny.
  Said in a concerned and caring way of course.
  And pay your rates
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:41am
- Rich Prick
  
  anti-corruption Public Watchdog
  
  Do you think it is corrupt to take all the Council services you enjoy, without paying?
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:45am
- Awww C-mon
  
  You like FB aye Penelope… its a great place to have your friends chase ‘private’ donations and the irony of unanswered questions has made my day too…
  
  “Hey Awww C-mon describe Penny using one word”
  
  Easy…. my word is Fuck, is in
  
  Fucking Fucker is Fuckin Fucked
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:51am
- wiseowl
  
  Some advice Penny.
  Chloe is not the enemy.
  Goff is.
  You won’t gain any more votes taking on Chloe.
  Said in a caring way of course.
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:53am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:23am
oldpark

Lest we forget, in the race for who is the next mayor for Wellington. Justin Lester, and the carpet bagger Nick Leggett, both with Labour/Green Party socialist spending in their DNA,it has been, just to reiterate their stance on Wellington” LightRail”. Given the chance they are all for it. Even though the cost of, for every $100 dollars spent, a return of $5 would be the result. In fact a financial disaster for the good ship Wellington. Thank fully common sense will prevail, once “Go Jo Coughlan” becomes the mayor,she vehemently opposes it.
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September 27, 2016 8:30am
godruelf

All set for a couple of hours in front of the TV this afternoon watching the debate. After looking at the EPG for poor mans TV pleased to see Al Jazeera are showing it live. I’m sure it will be better to see it all rather than the selected excerpts with the well informed slant from the likes of Jack Tame etc.
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September 27, 2016 8:31am
- ross411
  
  Yes, why do these actors think their opinions are more important than us being able to form our own. Is it to ensure we don’t?
  
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  September 27, 2016 10:32am
- Dave Mann
  
  Many thanks for the heads up! I was wondering how I could watch it and so I’ll tune in now. Cheers!
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:54pm
Keeping Stock

Contrast:

How many Auckland voters have been totally swept up and sucked in by this mainstream corporate media manufactured Chloe Swarbrick phenomenon and are now regretting it?

with:

I hate lies and I detest liars. I don’t do gossip or personal comments. I don’t do political dirt.

One of these things is not like the other.

Ms Bright must be positively fuming at the prospect of being beaten by a 22-year-old woman, to turn on a display of such weapons-grade hypocrisy.
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September 27, 2016 8:31am
- Griff
  
  Penny might poll more than Mr Blank and Mr Invalid this year .
  Though not by much.
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:47am
- graham
  
  Penny Bright, 2015:
  
  I don’t do gossip or personal comments.
  
  Penny Bright, 2016:
  
  Actually – in my view – Chloe Swarbrick is actually a neo-liberal wolf cub of the female variety – a new young mouthpiece for the corporate 1% and commercial property developers.
  
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  September 27, 2016 8:58am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so Graham.
    
    But them we’ve all known that Penny Bright says on thing about other people, then does the complete opposite herself. Her hypocrisy is sickening, but she is so self-absorbed she can’t (or won’t) see it.
    
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    September 27, 2016 9:06am
  - stigie
    
    I still think Chloe is very pretty Penny !~
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:50pm
Rich Prick

Helen Clark’s free money:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/84666320/student-loan-defaulters-break-1b-mark

See what happens when it’s free and has no value.
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September 27, 2016 8:42am
- ross411
  
  New Zealand Union of Student Associations’ president, Linsey Higgins, says some defaulters see their student loan debt as an “insurmountable beast”.
  
  Heaven forbid, people who choose to borrow money should have to take on some adult responsibility and pay it off like the rest of us. Or to be frugal and borrow the smallest amount possible, rather than blow it on whatever.
  
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  September 27, 2016 10:35am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’d argue the case for a debtors’ prison for those who decide to opt out of their responsibilities.
    
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    September 27, 2016 11:15am
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      Well, we agree something should be done, but debtor’s prison is a relic of the past we should not bring back – IMO.
      
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      September 27, 2016 12:07pm
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks for that link, RP. Defaulters (not ordinary student borrowers) accounted for $1.073bn of overdue student debt at the end of June, with that figure increasing at a rate of around $1m per day.
  
  Many if not most of the major defaulters seem to be overseas with no intention of returning, or of working out with IRD a long-term plan for repaying their debts:
  
  “Over 100,000 student loans are in default, with around 80% of their borrowers living offshore.”
  
  “The data, released by the Inland Revenue Department (IRD), revealed the top 10 biggest debtors owe more than $300,000 each and are all based overseas.”
  
  What to do about it, other than what IRD is currently doing (which is not having the effect of actually reducing the default amount?
  
  There must come a time (after due warning to persistent defaulters who refuse to cooperate) when the Government / taxpayer ramps up its collection procedures. For example, will the worst defaulters continue, indefinitely, to be able to hide behind name suppression? And to be able, at their sole option, to renew their New Zealand passports by simply applying and paying a $180 application fee?
  
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  September 27, 2016 12:02pm
- Gabby
  
  Lawyers get their kids to help themselves.
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:18pm
Longknives

The ‘Old Boys Network’ is alive and well in New Zealand.
How many times have we seen prominent Rugby morons strutting out of Court with a smirk on their Faces after being ‘Discharged without Conviction’ for some violent or dangerous offence?
This is fucking bullshit…If I went out this weekend and viciously assaulted three people, including two women, I would lose my job and go to jail.
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September 27, 2016 8:58am
- doggone7
  
  “How many times have we seen prominent Rugby morons strutting out of Court with a smirk on their Faces after being ‘Discharged without Conviction’ for some violent or dangerous offence?”
  
  Tell us. Rugby has been played in the country for well over a hundred years and has probably involved more than a million people. One of them in committing a violent or dangerous act is too many.
  
  When you’ve told us the number of times, maybe you could list the names of prominent, rugby morons, who have strutted out of court, a smirk on their faces, having been discharged without conviction, for some violent or dangerous offence. Be precise.
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:23am
  - ross411
    
    He was asking you how many times, why don’t you answer him? You could at least read his post.. 😆
    
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    September 27, 2016 10:36am
wreck1080

I wanna be a rugby player then i can beat and smash people outside of rugby too. Gangsta.
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September 27, 2016 9:04am
pdm

1.Interesting that Upper Hutt Mayor Wayne Guppy allegedly provided a letter of support for Filipo. If he did I would not want Guppy as Mayor of my town.

2. There is no mention of the judges name in either Stuff or Herald reports on this case. Why?

3. I trust the Police will appeal this decision!!
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September 27, 2016 9:04am
- oldpark
  
  Judges Name .Bruce Davidson.
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:18am
  - dave_c_
    
    Ethically devoid !
    
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    September 27, 2016 1:53pm
Sideoiler

There is no mention of the judges name in either Stuff or Herald reports on this case.

Bruce Davidson was the judge.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/officials-support-for-losi-filipo-disgraceful-2016092708
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September 27, 2016 9:20am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s about time that judges starting getting more heat when this happens. They are the ones making the decision. Our laws are fine and just need judges to start handing out criminals the sentences they deserve. The media should put the judge front and centre and hold him accountable, similar to what happened in the Stanford rape case.
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:59am
big bruv

Let’s stop pretending that Rugby are concerned with this type of behaviour. Let’s stop pretending that they are acting to stamp it out. The fact of the matter is that this sort of thing is not considered to be a big deal in rugby circles; it is seen as the boys letting of some steam. The Wellington rugby union don’t seem to have an issue with it at all; the rugby media are just as guilty. I know for a fact that one highly placed rugby coach has numerous criminal convictions for assault, the rugby media are aware of it yet they still go to him often for comment on the game. This coach (and ex player) is held up as a “legend” by his club and as a ‘good hard bugger’ by many in the rugby media.

Make no mistake, the wider NZ rugby community do not see Filipo’s behaviour as being anything other than a mistake….and some of you wonder why I hate the NZRU and the NZ team.
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September 27, 2016 9:20am
- Icarus
  
  They are violent rapist thugs and cowards. People don’t hear half of what goes on. This is only the stuff that slipped past the network of protection.
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:29am
- stephieboy
  
  ALL BLACK HALL OF SHAME,
  
  http://nzrugbybadboys.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/all-black-hall-of-shame.html
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:34am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Stephieboy, you have earned more downticks than anybody else on this blog.
    Then you bring out that link. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. It appears that a significant number of top professional rugby players are bad for your health, be it physical health or financial health. The list is astonishing.
    
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    September 27, 2016 10:48am
- doggone7
  
  big bruv
  You’re entitled to hate. Just as you are also entitled to spout the type of garbage you have written here.
  
  Conveying a level of reason with emotive bullshit from a base of hate is not easy.
  
  You hate because you hate and you want to. Complicating it with other nonsense is not necessary.
  
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  September 27, 2016 9:55am
Don the Kiwi

bb
Care to name? – and shame?
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September 27, 2016 9:39am
big bruv

I do hope that the people of Upper Hutt remember Mr Guppy’s involvement in all of this when they cast their vote for Mayor.
Mr Guppy is of course steeped in rugby culture, he is a past coach of the Upper Hutt rugby club.
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September 27, 2016 10:03am
kowtow

Ridiculous ,and to think ‘progressives’ claim this sort of mental illness is a human right .

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/714481/Transgender-man-gives-birth-OWN-BABY-world-first
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September 27, 2016 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Relax,
  
  It’s still the same old baby-making biology;
  male impregnates female.
  
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  September 27, 2016 10:30am
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA WARNED TO REIN IN GROWING MOUNTAIN OF DEBT – OR ELSE … AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION (ABC)

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/09/chinese-literally-stampede-property/

China warned to rein in growing mountain of debt or risk triggering another global financial crisis – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-26/china-warned-to-rein-in-debt/7878426

There are renewed calls for China to rein in its extraordinary mountain of debt or risk what Australia has been worried about for years — a “hard landing” for China’s economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 27, 2016 10:24am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Since mainland Chinese have known nothing but economic growth since the early 1980s, much the same as Japan experienced from 1950 to 1992, most working-age Chinese would have no memory of economic recession.
  Think about it. The Chinese economy started to lift off a couple of years after its leader Deng Xiaoping began to champion “reform and opening” in 1978.
  How old would the youngest “working age” Chinese have been in, say 1981, when the Chinese economy began to open up? If the typical young worker was aged 20 in 1981, they would have been born around 1961. That would make them 55 years old today.
  I suggest that no Chinese under the age of 55 knows what a recession is like. Please note that I am talking about “recession” and not “hard times.” Of course, life was hard back in the early 1980s, as it was for Japanese in the early 1950s, but each year became better than the last in terms of economic growth.
  If you have never experienced a recession or a real estate crash, it is unlike anything you can imagine. Real estate crashes happen very slowly at first, and then very, very quickly. After the fact, people look at each other in disbelief and exclaim, “How could we have been so stupid.”And yet, at the time of the housing bubble, leveraged speculation seems to be the most sensible thing in the world to do.
  
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  September 27, 2016 10:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Long been known that the Party fears most is chaos and the people rising up , that’s why they’re spending like there’s no tomorrow ,building cities etc that noone will ever live in.
    
    Kowtow reckons it’s not a matter of if China will implode but a matter of when……..
    
    …….is Aotearoa , formerly New Zealand , ready ?
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:41pm
Manolo

Amazon, owned by Bezos, number one Hillary supporter, cannot hide its bias:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/26/bias-alert-amazon-fixed-reviews-for-hillary-clintons-book.html
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September 27, 2016 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, yet Bezos and their Amazon is happy to market and sell Trumps books ,
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Trump/e/B001H6O8M2
  
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  September 27, 2016 10:33am
  - Manolo
    
    The article does not talk about the selling of books, but the scrubbing/deletion of critical reviews. Allahu akbar.
    
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    September 27, 2016 10:36am
wreck1080

I just read this in the media…

“”Wellington Rugby is extremely disappointed in Losi’s actions and does not condone such behaviour from any member of the organisation regardless of their position or status.”

By allowing this thug to play they do condone his behaviour.

This is all BS. Like schools too, when they say they have 0 tolerance for bullying and violence. But, by allowing the bullies and thugs to stay at the school they do have tolerance.
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September 27, 2016 10:35am
Tauhei Notts

Mine host,
At 1.00 p.m. eight days ago you brought to our attention a very serious matter. I would be grateful if you could be so kind as to provide us with any progress that has been made on that matter.
I am aware that you may have to delete this comment, for the legal wheels move in a most mysterious manner.
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September 27, 2016 10:36am
Ed Snack

Oh my, cue the multiple explosion of heads. Nate Silver (538.com) is currently forecasting likely Trump wins in at least three critical swing states, Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina.

If Trump doesn’t totally fuck-up the debate tonight is the unthinkable going to happen. Is this America’s Brexit moment. ?

There’s still 6-7 weeks to go and things certainly can change, but the momentum is with Trump for now.
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September 27, 2016 11:03am
Tauhei Notts

I wonder if Hillary’s health is improving.
I note that on Betfair Joe Biden’s odds to be the next president, which had got as low as $40, after Her collapse 18 days ago, have moved out to $110. Turnover on that site is now approaching GBP46,000,000. The moll is still a red hot $1.58 favourite.
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September 27, 2016 11:14am
Odakyu-sen

Deutsche Bank shares are not doing well. If the German State has over-reached on the immigration front and is unable to provide support to DB, I wonder if Deutsche Bank will follow the path of Lehman Brothers?
After cat-bouncing back from 2009, DB shares have drifted downwards until they are now lower than they were in the wake of the “Lehman Shock.”
If DB fails, the repercussions will be severe. I will be keeping an eye on Deutsche Bank from now on.
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September 27, 2016 11:29am
- Gabby
  
  They may have to sell Greece.
  
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  September 27, 2016 12:55pm
Fletch

Don’t look directly at the Gorgon or you’ll be turned to stone!

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/selfie-generation-room-full-people-and-no-one-looking-hillary-clinton
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September 27, 2016 11:34am
Fletch

Your song for today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C1BCAgu2I8

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates’ debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you’ve got to choose
Any way you look at it you lose
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September 27, 2016 11:36am
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Where have you gone Joe di Maggio?”
  
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  September 27, 2016 11:49am
Fletch

Here we go again – the ‘rape-ugees’ just can’t seem to help themselves, for some reason.

Mother ‘Drugged, Abducted and Raped’ by Gang of Migrants in Sunderland

A mother-of-three was allegedly drugged and raped by a gang of migrants in Sunderland, sparking violent demonstrations and social unrest in the city.
The 26-year-old woman believes her drink was spiked during a night out, leading to her waking up in a strange house covered in cuts and bruises. She has no memory of getting there.

Police have arrested six men from Iraq, Syria and Bahrain on suspicion drugging and sexually assaulting her.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/26/mother-drugged-abducted-raped-gang-migrants-sunderland/
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September 27, 2016 11:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Where does a mother of 3 (assuming younger children) find the time and money for a “night out.” Where was her husband (if he was not at home looking after their 3 children)?
  
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  September 27, 2016 12:42pm
  - Icarus
    
    Because you paid for it. She spreads her legs and you stuff in the money.
    
    Of course you have no choice, none of us have who pay taxes.
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:48pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes, please let’s immediately blame the victim. She was probably asking for it. The slut.
    
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    September 27, 2016 6:11pm
stephieboy

Who will win the debate / cage fight this afternoon ? It all depends on who is the most consummate liar and Trump by far has shown to be master of the big lie. Not speak of his expertise stoking the fires of bigotry and hatred .
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September 27, 2016 12:00pm
- Fletch
  
  Are you kidding? Hillary has been getting away with lying for years, and not only lying. She’s gotten away with breaking the law, with scandal after scandal. Both Clinton’s have. She should have been in prison years ago. Anyone else who had done the things she’s done would have been locked up.
  
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  September 27, 2016 12:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch, I never suggested that Hillary Clinton never lies just that Trump is much better at it .
    
    Also, Trump is much, much better at trading insults and shouting others down.
    
    Expect to see his lie and insult machine at full power which I don’t think Clinton won’t be able to match.
    
    However lets wait and see .
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:22pm
  - doggone7
    
    Imagine when she gets to play golf with JK then if she’s the liar you call her! 18 holes in one being recorded on their cards?
    
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    September 27, 2016 1:48pm
Steve (North Shore)

Dysfunctional Veterans USA:
How many of you are gonna watch the debate tonight? And should i go live on fb and give you my running commentary what is happening like they do on football? I’m gonna watch this debate like people watch NASCAR for the wrecks!
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September 27, 2016 12:11pm
- Icarus
  
  This is the only debate where we can expect one participant to have a mental breakdown on camera, or physically collapse.
  
  Either way, we know the pro Hillary media will try and spin it to look like the evil old hag won. Trust me, they have a plan in place to attack Trump immediately afterwards.
  
  Hillary supporters are evil rotten people with no boundaries. The fact Trump is a bit of a moron does not make supporting pure evil a good thing.
  
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  September 27, 2016 12:21pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus , the estimated 100 million American viewers will draw their own conclusions, not the pro-Hillary media nor the true beleiver Trump supporters like you !
    
    Of course, the hardcore Trump poor White supporters like you won’t be convinced by anything.
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:28pm
    - Icarus
      
      And in spite of a smear campaign based on lies, they have “draw their own conclusions”.
      
      Love how you attacked people for being “poor” and for their perceived skin colour. You have just let the facade slip to show what a vile nasty person you really are. Eg: A Hillary supporter.
      
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      September 27, 2016 12:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Icarus , sorry but the truth can hurt ,
        
        http://theweek.com/articles/642979/why-poor-whites-flock-donald-trump
        
        Why ‘white trash’ Americans are flocking to Donald Trump
        
        http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/why-white-trash-americans-are-flocking-to-donald-trump/
        
        Man up and face facts !
        
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        September 27, 2016 12:38pm
      - Icarus
        
        Who are black “trash” flocking to ?
        
        Provide a list of all the “poor” people and “trash” you hate.
        
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        September 27, 2016 1:15pm
  - deadrightkev
    
    Clinton is an incompetent corrupt trougher that has sucked off the state for thirty years leaving a trail of destruction.
    
    Lets compare her and yourself to the fabulously wealthy and successful moron Donald Trump.
    
    I think Donald is quite some way ahead don’t you?
    
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    September 27, 2016 12:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      drk , a trail of destruction ??
      
      fabulously wealthy and successful moron Trump ?
      
      Trump University ,
      Trumps Mags ,
      Trump Steaks ,
      Trump Airline etc etc
      
      http://gawker.com/a-complete-list-of-donald-trump-s-business-disasters-1764151188
      
      And of course, this has nothing do with Trump unwillingness to be upfront and declare his Taxes etc ?
      
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      September 27, 2016 12:44pm
    - Gabby
      
      He’s a couple of steps ahead of his creditors is about all.
      
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      September 27, 2016 12:53pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Clowns should go for the juggler
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:15pm
wiseowl

Funniest headline ever on stuff.
PM says ‘one law for all’
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September 27, 2016 12:42pm
- Icarus
  
  That is all of, us, not all of them.
  
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  September 27, 2016 12:53pm
KevinH

Today’s debate will be watched by an expected 100 million Americans, if you factor in global interest you could expect that figure to be at least double, perhaps in the region of 200 million +.
Viewers will be looking for any health issues from Hillary and any lies from Donald.
The anticipated roles will be Hillary the passive and Donald the aggressor, how Hillary responds to Donalds attacks will have an impact on the undecided voter in the U.S. as well as firming up support from voters who have already made their decision.
You can expect both candidates to take excerpts from todays debate into the next debates.
I am expecting this to be a tense debate with both parties looking to exploit any weaknesses, miscues or unsubstantiated comments. Trump will no doubt attack and Clinton will be on defence.
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September 27, 2016 12:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kevin H , the debate / cage fight must surely favour Trump who reminds me of Muldoon who was an expert at attacking and going for the political jugular and who interestingly took the country nowhere.
  
  I’d be surprised if Clinton survived this kind of onslaught and with Trumps well aimed slurs and lies .
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:06pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’d be surprised if Clinton survived.
    
    There; fixed it for you Stephieboy 😀
    
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    September 27, 2016 1:10pm
Don the Kiwi

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/dramatic-footage-woman-uses-gun-defend-against-armed-home-invasion

This is why Americans fight to defend their Second Amendment rights.
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September 27, 2016 12:55pm
stephieboy

Don the Kiwi, fine as far as it goes . Did she use or casually purchase an AR15 or similar as with Orlando ?

Should those 2nd amendment rights be extended to here ?
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September 27, 2016 1:00pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘ . Did she use or casually purchase an AR15’
  Err, the PICTURE shows her holding a Pistol. When it comes to the most pointless and stupid questions you are in a league of your own. What an idiot.
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Wed , a contentious issue of the 2nd amendment is the easy availability of assault weapons for purchase as was discovered with the Orlando assailant ,Omar Mateen
    
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    September 27, 2016 1:44pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      What’s an “assault weapon” ?
      In my book, not only guns, but knives, baseball bats and any other instrument that can be used to inflict wounds or death on another person.
      Be more specific stephie – you bloody dunce !!
      
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      September 27, 2016 1:49pm
      - Gabby
        
        In the right hands, donkey wee is a potent assault weapon.
        
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        September 27, 2016 5:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stop telling lies Stephie. Omar Mateen was a Security Officer who had been vetted and as such was able to buy weapons. It’s stupid to then extrapolate that weapons are easy to get because of his example.
      MY post was about your stupid question not the second amendment. Of course your response is just as stupid.
      So, tell us more about all these ‘white trash’ you’re going on about?
      
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      September 27, 2016 1:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘All on Wed’
      
      All on Wed? Is that really the best you got? Sigh.
      You’re so hopeless- Creepyboy.
      
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      September 27, 2016 1:54pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Guns like the one used in Orlando are legal to purchase in NZ with a normal gun licence. The Gun City web site has a whole page of them.
      
      http://www.guncity.com/firearms/all-firearms/centrefire/semi-auto/223-rem
      
      But handguns that people actually want for self defence are much harder to get here. A shotgun will do the job though as long as it’s only one intruder or you get them close together.
      
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      September 27, 2016 2:14pm
      - Colville
        
        MSSA requires E Cat license . Not a standard A cat.
        
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        September 27, 2016 2:50pm
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        You don’t need E unless you want a large magazine. If somebody wanted to repeat the Orlando shooting here, they could just swap magazines. It’s NZ so nobody will be shooting back.
        
        Anybody with no criminal record can do that. The point is that it doesn’t happen here because nobody wants to do it, not because our guns laws are better than US ones.
        
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        September 27, 2016 4:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Our checking of firearms licence applicants isn’t perfect, but it isn’t bad.
        
        As has been pointed out on Kiwiblog before, it’s near-impossible to block off supply of military-style rifles. You can build your own with a fairly cheap CNC milling machine available on the internet. It mills a critical part for AR15 and AR10 rifles.
        
        Here’s how the machine maker describes it on its web site:
        
        Legally manufacture unserialized AR rifles in the comfort and privacy of your home.
        
        You can also make pistols with a 3D printer.
        
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        September 27, 2016 4:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        In my reply above (4.55pm) to Nigel Kearney, I may have been wrong drawing attention to the home milling machine for making military style rifles.
        
        Some TV reporter could now try to buy one online. Then she/he would try to build an AR rifle. In the rare probability they succeeded they just might blow off their toes or tits or something worse.
        
        Don’t do it folks. Don’t try.
        
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        September 27, 2016 5:21pm
    - Icarus
      
      Is that the “poor white trash” you referred to previously today stephieboy ?
      
      Because the statistics show it is mainly poor black people causing the problem.
      
      Question: Are they “black trash” ?
      
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      September 27, 2016 5:45pm
- Icarus
  
  Was that person “trash” as you call it stephieboy ?
  
  Was it “white” trash or another colour of “trash” ?
  
  Was it “poor” trash stephieboy ?
  
  You really need to be more clear about these things.
  
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  September 27, 2016 1:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Icarus
    
    Are you white trash, or just a supporter of white trash?
    I’m a little unclear as to what Stephieboy was implying at 12:28pm.
    But as you have never posted comments about supping lattes in Auckland malls, I suspect you are either trash (of some hue) or a tea-swilling sophisticate (like moi).
    
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    September 27, 2016 1:56pm
    - Icarus
      
      I don’t know Maggy, that is why I am asking stephieboy.
      
      All I know so far is:
      
      1. Poor people are trash.
      
      3. White people are trash
      
      But I do not know how poor, or white, you have to be. I am waiting to hear back from stephieboy.
      
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      September 27, 2016 3:11pm
dave_c_

No doubt Clinton’s lecturn is larger, in order to hide the ‘highchair’ !
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September 27, 2016 1:49pm
- Paulus
  
  Will she continue to use her earpiece to hear the answers she is to give ?
  
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  September 27, 2016 2:43pm
wiseowl

She’s nodding already.
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September 27, 2016 2:06pm
MH

Trump goes misère….no need for a macron there’s cheese already slipping off it, or more correctly off the e .
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September 27, 2016 3:47pm
Manolo

A potential problem for Mamma Merkel:
https://www.ft.com/content/c882de4e-83c1-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

Deutsche Bank has denied seeking assistance from Berlin and said it had no plans for a capital increase after investors attacked the embattled bank, sending its share price to its lowest levels in more than three decades.
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September 27, 2016 4:32pm
Jack5

Another example of why the Left is losing the working class. This one is from Britain, where Labour shows contempt for the working class lads and lasses who make up the ranks of the British armed services:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/momentum-jokes-about-injured-british-soldiers-reveal-the-corbyni/
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September 27, 2016 4:41pm
- Icarus
  
  Just like our very own stephieboy. He said today they are “poor white trash”. His idol Klark called them “ferals”
  
  stephieboy has gone all quiet after his revealing tirade, so I am not sure at what income level and skin colouration you become “TRASH”.
  
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  September 27, 2016 5:20pm
Happychappy

So the Greens have decided to stand aside and leave it to Labour if there is a by election for Phil Goff,s seat if he becomes the Mayor of Auckland.Now it will be interesting to see how NZ First see this and whether they will join the party as i think Labour will need more help to retain this seat.
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September 27, 2016 4:57pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Winston can hardly step aside after bagging other parties for doing it, plus he’s never going to follow what the Gweens do.
  
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  September 27, 2016 6:14pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wouldn’t it be nice if the gracious Parmjeet Parmar could win it for the Nats?
  Don’t be surprised if it happens.
  
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  September 27, 2016 7:19pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Didn’t National win the party vote last election and i think it was only that it was Phil Goff that they held the seat.The new candidate and his wife from Labour do not inspire the electrate so i can see them losing this seat
    
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    September 27, 2016 7:44pm
Jack5

Dame Devoid is standing firm in her debate with a member of the crap-TV programme Real Housewives of Auckland.

A way to get publicity: use a “racist” word, and Dame Devoid and her team will keep the headlines going.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/84661594/human-rights-commission-deny-real-housewifes-bully-claim
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September 27, 2016 5:15pm
- Gabby
  
  More shit brought to you by Julie Oxygen Thief Christie.
  
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  September 27, 2016 5:29pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Shit I never thought I’d give Gobby the luxury of an uptick but there you go.
    He’s right on this one.
    
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    September 27, 2016 7:16pm
    - sam green
      
      Yup.
      
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      September 27, 2016 8:03pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Lose Filipo was let off by the judge to protect his rugby career.
Now that Wellington Rugby has kicked him into touch, he has no rugby career.
Now he needs to go to his rightful place – jail.
But will the system make that happen?
And doesn’t the judge look like a complete arse.
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September 27, 2016 6:25pm
- SPC
  
  No.
  
  1. Filipo asked to be released from the current season contract.
  
  2. This does not prevent him from getting another contract in the future. Whereas a conviction would have impact on getting visas when travelling with teams.
  
  A quite sensible move, as the risk is the build of pressure to change the judges decision which would impact on his playing future. He should end his drinking and consider wisely his associations off the field.
  
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  September 27, 2016 6:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    He just has to keep his nose clean for a season and he’ll be back on Wellington Rugby’s books.
    
    Why else would they be offering him continued support?
    
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    September 27, 2016 6:55pm
    - SPC
      
      The modern contract is a multi-faceted thing, it implies a burden of care for the players welfare (player health and well-being, education, injury insurance, savings plan etc).
      
      It also expects the player to have some regard to the team and its cause (and to consider wisely their off the field regime).
      
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      September 27, 2016 6:58pm
- SPC
  
  Yes.
  
  The judges decision is probably wrong.
  
  While there is precedent for leniency – two young players committed one punch assaults and got no conviction. And George Moala continued punching someone on the ground and did not get a conviction – nor lose his Blues contract (not even for one season).
  
  But if they re-offend they will be convicted.
  
  In this case 4 separate people were assaulted, one severely and including two females king hit. A bit much to swallow as “impulsive” action when drunk, so as to give them a second chance.
  
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  September 27, 2016 6:55pm
Fletch

Talk show host and Trump supporter Michael Savage’s show is yanked off-air and replaced by an older episode when he started talking about Hillary’s health issues. Really? More destruction of free speech by liberals who usually say they are all for it. They can’t stand anyone to criticize their candidate and will go so far as to remove a syndicated radio hosts talk show.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/26/top-rated-talk-show-host-michael-savage-pulled-off-air-discussing-hillarys-health/
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September 27, 2016 7:22pm
Morrissey

Here’s photographic evidence that at least
some U.S. veterans have a heart, and a brain…

https://twitter.com/RTFanning/status/770419817027346433/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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September 27, 2016 7:59pm
greybeard

Wellington Rugby: bloody incompetent idiots.
Rob Nicol: an even bigger blind and “in-denial” idiot.
Losi Filipo: currently dangerous, and a definite future problem .
The four victims: thrown on the scrap-heap by a “judge” who should be removed immediately.
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September 27, 2016 8:01pm
Manolo

The enemy within:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809605/Islamic-street-preacher-abused-woman-street-wearing-skinny-jeans-called-Queen-terrorist-sentenced-today.html
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