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duggledog

I see the Government is introducing legislation requiring dangerous breeds to have their balls removed so they can’t breed, wear collars indicating their aggressive nature, with signs installed at their place of residence.

Imagine my disappointment when I learned this only applied to dogs.
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September 25, 2016 8:09am
- Dave Mann
  
  ???????
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:32am
- cmm
  
  My “go to” argument when anyone brings up gun control is that it would make more sense to have single mother control.
  
  Single mothers and their associates (ie. their children, their partners, their familieis,…) with more criminal behaviour (everything from tagging to murder) than any other demographic.
  
  Rational people would not run screaming from a man carrying a shotgun. They would run screaming from a teen mother pushing a stroller.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:37am
  - GoVege
    
    Don’t be too harsh on the single/ teen mum.
    Most of them would have had virtually no parenting to end up that way.
    And somebody impregnated them..
    In the past we forced errant dads to face up to their responsibilities.
    
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    September 25, 2016 3:33pm
Happychappy

Is Andrew Little on holiday or have Labour and their cry baby MP’s finally tried to muzzle him and give themselves a chance of retaining their seats at the next election,
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September 25, 2016 8:12am
Manolo

The aging philanderer is licking his lips.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/donald-trump-bill-clinton-gennifer-flowers-presidential-debate

Donald Trump on Saturday threatened to bring a woman that Bill Clinton had an extramarital affair with when he debates Hillary Clinton.

“If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Jennifer Flowers [sic] right alongside of him!” Trump initially tweeted.
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September 25, 2016 8:34am
Manolo

France digs deeper (pun intended).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805710/We-ll-close-Calais-Jungle-says-France-s-President-Hollande-sets-plans-9-000-migrants-centres-France.html
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September 25, 2016 8:37am
duggledog

Corbin re-elected as Labour leader in the UK.

Tories to govern unopposed, for eternity, one presumes
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September 25, 2016 8:40am
- ross411
  
  Such an interesting thing to observe.
  
  Replicated in several countries, politicians who have either outdated or extreme political beliefs, have taken over the main opposition parties. The public doesn’t really want what they want. And so the opposition party is being made irrelevant from within.
  
  I guess it’s the disadvantage of being left. You force all the views on the party that wouldn’t have cut it in the past, and slowly the party becomes a reflection of those views, until it no longer represents anything particularly palatable to the public. In fact, the only way voters find it palatable is if they aren’t particularly aware of how extreme the party really is – or don’t pay attention.
  
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  September 25, 2016 8:52am
  - sooty
    
    I know! Lets have an MOU.
    
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    September 25, 2016 9:10am
    - niggly
      
      Yet another winning Labour “Game Changer ™” idea!
      
      “What can possibly go wrong this time”, says Andy, Annette & Gracinda!
      
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      September 25, 2016 9:21am
  - Dave Mann
    
    A very insightful analysis Ross. Spot on.
    
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    September 25, 2016 9:18am
    - ross411
      
      The sad thing is that I am just describing what we’re all seeing, and shaking our heads at. There’s no new insight here, just perplexity at watching it happen.
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:20am
Notsofast

Arthur Taylor says

“Secret Witness ‘C’ appears before the High Court at Auckland for a one day hearing next Thursday 29th September. I’ve got a reasonable chance of having his name suppression lifted, and exposing the gutter rat at long last. The public will be horrified when they realise that the Crown Prosecutor and Police put someone like this as a witness of truth.Strangely the Crown Prosecutor, whom one would think would be representing the interest of justice, has filed a massive brief supporting name suppression to remain. Not only do I have to ‘shoot’ down secret witness ‘c’s taxpayer-funded lawyer, Chris Wilkinson-Smith… I’ve also got to battle the Crown, who have unlimited resources. You can draw you own conclusion as to why the Crown wants his identity secret.”

Taylor is putting a lot of effort into this, and this is a good thing. It is vital to call the Court of Appeal to account in the way they rubber stamp bad jury decisions, the murder cases alone being Bolton, Thomas, Tamihere, Pora, Bain and Lundy. Thomas Bain and Pora twice. Kenneth Gresson just hanged Bolton of course after adjudicating both trial and appeal.

Witness C in the Tamihere case said amongst other things

“He didn’t tell me exactly where the attacks took place, but that it
was in the search area. He said that they had almost been sprung by
a couple who had come across them. He didn’t say what they were
doing when this couple came across them, except that the girl was
sitting down. He didn’t say what the couple were, I just thought he
was talking about a man and a woman.
“At the time this couple came across them he said Heidi was too
terrified to say anything because the man was tied up to a tree
nearby”

Tamihere v R CA428/90 May 21 1992 Cooke, Richardson, Casey, Hardie Boys & Gault JJ wrote

“Is the new material so material that a verdict returned without
it might amount to a miscarriage of justice?
“We are quite satisfied that the answer must be no…as was clearly
recognised at the Trial, crucial to the whole case was the sighting
of the man and woman at Crosbie’s, by two trampers. They said
the man looked like Tamihere; he wore a belt with a pouch, and
was using an axe similar to those items found at Tamihere’s house;
he was putting up a tent of an unusual design, and of interest to
them, which both regarded as similar to the tent found at his house.
“The girl was remembered as similar to a photograph of Heidi
with blonde hair and fine features; and she was wearing an unusual
poncho similar again to one found at Tamihere’s house. The discovery
of such a garment and tent at his house would be a most
extraordinary coincidence. In conjunction with other matters just
described, it makes the odds against the couple being other than
Tamihere and Heidi so high as to put that possibility beyond rational
consideration.
“Once that identification is accepted, the rest of the Crown’s
evidence falls into place as convincing circumstantial proof that
the couple were murdered by Tamihere.”

So there we have it, witness C happened to describe a crime these judges believed despite a body being found 73 kms away meantime, and accepted forensically by pathologists and the crown to have been killed there.

The truth is obvious, Detective Hughes fed that crap to witness C, and bribed him with a favorable parole prospect to perjure himself.

Interestingly this same man offered /was sought his testimony in Lundy 2002 and 2015. What truth did the keystones expect on those occasions?
Considering witness X was the perjurer in Lundy 2015, and should be called to account, these court proceedings may bear on future police acts of bad faith.
Scarcely noticed is the disgusting use of secret witnesses in the Pora case, and also Thomas. They must have been perjuring themselves by axiom.

Ultimately those appeal court judges live with the consequences today and forever. But of course they don’t give a flying continental. It works every time to fool the public. My polling shows it right here.

I am genuinely interested in debating this here. Few contributors but many readers.
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September 25, 2016 8:55am
- G152
  
  Go get them.
  Not only the narks but their enablers.
  Name and shame and put them away for as long as legally possible
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:01am
- Dave Mann
  
  I’m picking that not many people will be interested in debating with you. You go on and on… 713 words is not a comment, its a flippin’ essay. My advice is to get your own blog 😀
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:25am
  - Notsofast
    
    My reasoning for occasionally bringing matters of public interest, matters that need changing for the good of the community is that this is the most widely read blog in the country. I was not aware there was a word limit. The media are sinning by omission, here is a great story, but it’s not a house price. Oh well.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:27am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Are you familiar with the expression TL:DR? It stands for “Too long; didn’t read”, which is the case with your 8.55am.
      
      Dave Mann is spot on; get your own blog, and stop being parasitic on the audience DPF has built up over many years.
      
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      September 25, 2016 3:46pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Thanks for that. I see there is considerable work to be done. Of course DPF can choose who he wants to contribute. I have no intention of getting a blog, there is a very good audience here. I am assuming many more readers than voters.
        
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        September 25, 2016 9:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Notsofast , you can always discuss and debate these issues on Nostalgia’s or that Lauden blog thingy. There everyone appears to enjoy chasing ghosts and vast Police and MOJ conspiracies .
  
  I suspect most here don’t !
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:25am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Oh God… I feel like my world is upside down… I just upticked a comment of Stephie’s….! ???
    
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    September 25, 2016 10:35am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Go to confession now. It’s not too late to atone for such a mortal sin. I will downtick now to get the universe back in balance…..
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:32am
  - Notsofast
    
    Is witness C a ghost? How do you feel about “Production Shed TV was granted more than $1 million in funding byNZ on Air.”
    for Chris Gallavin to pick the only controversial case where the guy did it to spout crap? No one bothers to seek out the obvious solutions to these cases. Witless fools roam the country, but it is true, you won’t get jailed for a crime of otheres, or murdered any time soon.
    Of course these other guys didn’t pick it either.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:35am
- Happychappy
  
  So you are like Kelvin Davis any thing that Arthur Thomas says or prints is gospel
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:34am
  - Notsofast
    
    No, Arthur is wrong about Watson.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:36am
  - Notsofast
    
    I think you mean Arthur Taylor by the way. I am interested in this prosecution also because it presages the exposure of police corruption in trying to bury Lundy.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:38am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I would not say there is a lot more chance of Tamihere being innocent on the balance of probabilities than David Bain.
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:40am
  - Notsofast
    
    100% doesn’t have greater thans Chuck.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:36am
- starboard
  
  Arthur Taylors a scumbag.
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:52am
  - fernglas
    
    Whatever you may think of Taylor, he has hit on an interesting prosecution, if only because it is funny to see a gaol house snitch being prosecuted on the basis of cellmate confessions.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:02am
    - Notsofast
      
      The issue is that win or lose, witness C perjured himself under John Hughe’s instruction. For some strange reason the police, politicians, judiciary think that is just fine because D Tamihere is a bad guy. But his kids weren’t and their lives were ruined by Hughes corruption.
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:41am
3-coil

We made the trip down to Wellingtown last night to the centennary showing of the 1916 silent movie The Battle of the Somme, with live soundtrack provided by the NZ Symphony Orchestra (at the Michael Fowler Centre).

Absolutely stunning! The original silent B&W footage was all from the battlefield, and revealed some of the total “other world” of the brutality and primitive technology of WW1 – has to be seen to be believed.

But the performance by the NZSO was totally sublime. If it is on anywhere else around the country try to see it – absolutely unforgettable.
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September 25, 2016 9:36am
- mikenmild
  
  I believe some scenes were staged, but nevertheless is amazing viewing.
  I think this is it:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lTnK5LAoBc
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:53am
  - mikenmild
    
    Some downticks are downright puzzling…
    
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    September 25, 2016 10:02am
    - Griff
      
      Pity we can not see who the idiots are .
      
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      September 25, 2016 10:05am
- Reid
  
  Perfect of course for a professional recording, one assumes that will released soon.
  
  It’s be like The Wizard of Oz and Dark Side of the Moon.
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:42am
Manolo

Labour’s opposition rejoice:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805365/Rejoice-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-landslide-election-met-glee-Tories-Corbynistas-GERRY-ADAMS.html
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September 25, 2016 10:03am
Odakyu-sen

Is it proper to challenge cultural beliefs? Or it this only permissible when the holders of the belief are “privileged”?

What is the difference between a “cultural belief” and a “superstition”?

For example, until the Meiji Period, women were forbidden to climb Mt. Fuji.
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September 25, 2016 10:35am
- Reid
  
  Can you give us an example O-s?
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:40am
  - Inandout
    
    When the movie makers were not permitted to film Mt Egmont, even when koha was offered; that is ‘privileged belief’. Imagine the Nepalese forbidding photographs of Mt Everest.
    
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    September 25, 2016 10:47am
    - cha
      
      When the movie makers were not permitted to film Mt Egmont
      
      Do tell….
      
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      September 25, 2016 10:51am
      - Inandout
        
        A forgettable Tom Cruise movie with a Japanese theme I think.
        
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        September 25, 2016 10:59am
      - mikenmild
        
        I thought the Last Samurai was filmed in Taranaki because Mt Taranaki resembles Mt Fuji.
        
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        September 25, 2016 11:00am
      - cha
        
        The movie where the film makers used Taranaki as a backdrop, that one?.
        
        https://youtu.be/T50_qHEOahQ?t=1m5s
        
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        September 25, 2016 11:14am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Reid,
    
    Okay. How about this one:
    
    “Women can’t be sushi chefs.”
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:03am
    - Reid
      
      Where I’m at on this is that in societies all over including Japan we’ve ditched a lot of traditional views that had stood the test of time for hundreds of previous generations and now, for some reason, we know better because we’re more “advanced.”
      
      Consequently we’re all suffering the effects in stats such as low marriage and birth rates which is mostly where these traditional beliefs were passed on. We used to be nations of families, we’re all becoming nations of disconnected individuals momentarily forming relationships then moving on.
      
      Not all traditions of course are focused on that nor affect but many do both directly and indirectly.
      
      Our collective problem is that unless you know how the program works – to have changed us from what we used to be just after the war to what we now all are – you don’t know which is which. And not many people know that.
      
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      September 25, 2016 12:13pm
- mikenmild
  
  I should have thought the most important distinction comes when ‘cultural beliefs’ trample on core human rights. For example, a culture may endorse slavery of genital mutilation.
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:48am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Should we make a distinction between:
    
    – cultural beliefs,
    – religious beliefs, and
    – popular beliefs?
    
    How does a “cultural belief” differ from a “popular belief”?
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:07am
    - Flash
      
      That’s an interesting question. I’ll have a go: a popular belief is one currently held, and recognised by a section of the populace. It may be superseded by another ‘belief’ or a variation of itself. It may be based on misinformation; it is ephemeral. But, over time it may become accepted and embedded in the framework of a society or civilisation, become a reference to history and thus to be honoured by all as a cultural belief on which the society is founded.
      I THINK that what I mean.
      
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      September 25, 2016 4:54pm
Reid

A bit of history on when the US started using Islamic fundamentalists as a bludgeon against Arab nationalists and socialists.

Dates from just after the Iranian revolution.

Amuses me when people downtick facts. Things that are true but they don’t like them so they refuse to acquaint themselves with them. Just like children do.

https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/sandinismo/#more-2356
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September 25, 2016 10:39am
- cha
  
  Suppressing Arab nationalism has always been part of the plan.
  
  https://pando.com/2015/03/28/the-war-nerd-a-brief-history-of-the-yemen-clusterfck/
  
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  September 25, 2016 10:45am
  - Reid
    
    Yes, it’s no accident the only countries in the ME the US has targetted for destruction are those ruled by a secular dictator: Iraq, Libya and Syria.
    
    It’s as if they want to turn the region into a seething cauldron of conflict by introducing religion where there wasn’t any, and fuck all the millions of people who once lived happy, peaceful lives in those countries.
    
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    September 25, 2016 10:55am
    - Icarus
      
      IRAN BEFORE AMERICA “HELPED” THEM VIA THE CIA
      
      In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[17][18] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out “under CIA direction” and “as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government.”[19]
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , there is no evidence that the US has targeted the secular dictators of Iraq , Libya and Syria .
      
      For example, the UN under resolution 1973 authorised military action against Gaddafi’s Libya . Russia and China abstained and did not exercise their power of veto .
      
      Why ?
      
      A useful timeline backgrounding to the origins of the Syrian civil war including the fateful moment Assad turned on peaceful protestors and shooting them ,
      
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14703995
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:11am
      - Icarus
        
        Yeah there is stupid and the black warlord Obama has been the worst.
        
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        September 25, 2016 11:15am
      - Reid
        
        Yes I’m afraid stephie there’s in fact mountains of evidence on it but you have to be of a certain intellect to understand it and if you don’t, won’t or can’t assimilate it correctly I’m afraid there’s very little I can do, even if I wanted to.
        
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        September 25, 2016 12:16pm
publicwatchdog

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Good moaning Kiwibloggers 🙂

Seen this?

‘Activists – get things done’

Unlike ALL the other Auckland Mayoral candidates – I successfully petitioned Parliament for an urgent inquiry into Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs).

The following information I made available to Mayors in other parts of NZ to assist in their fight back against the continued corporate takeover of our local democracy, our assets and our public property.

The following proves that I already have an effective working relationship with central government.

Read for yourself …

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/51DBSCH_SCR69296_1/924613ec7fb831c4e74bd062f73287ac2ceb5081

Petition 2014/33 of Penelope Mary Bright and 55 others, and Report from the Controller and Auditor-General, Governance and accountability of council- controlled organisations

Kind regards

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2016 Independent Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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September 25, 2016 10:57am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See? I Spray and Walk Away.
  Rubbish stays,
  I Walk Away
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have always thought that you (PWD) are right in your fight for more transparency around CCOs.
  
  But if you read the link, there’s really no change from the status quo… with the exception of the recommendation that the Wellington City Council pay their councillor reps on CCOs!!!!
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:37am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Go and protest. It’s raining and you need free water to wash. GD has been so much better without your mindless drivel. By the way got any idea yet of how many morons have voting rights in Auckland? (Just count the handful that voted for you)…..
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:38am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Seen this Kiwibloggers?
  
  Self-described public watchdog and whistle-blower Penny Bright has been ordered by a judge to pay Auckland Council’s $7000 legal fees for her appeal against late rates payment costs.
  
  http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/penny-bright-ordered-pay-council%E2%80%99s-7000-legal-fees-cg-p-194669
  
  How much do you owe them now Penny? Must be over $100k by now…
  
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  September 25, 2016 3:51pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    House is worth way more than that (I hope)
    She will lose the lot soon, unless it is in a Trust and she is not a Trustee or Settlor
    
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    September 25, 2016 5:07pm
Jack5

Whale has an interesting piece on Dame Devoid:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/09/what-susan-devoy-has-in-common-with-social-justice-bullies/#more-273897
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September 25, 2016 11:00am
- Inandout
  
  What an appallingly unsuitable appointment Devoy was, absolutely a waste of space.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:03am
  - Icarus
    
    Inanadout, those are the exact qualities that made her suitable.
    
    Do you really think they would appoint anyone who treats people equally regardless of race and gender ?
    
    White males are the target and if you think otherwise you would never get the job.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      Joris de Bres a white male previously held the position that Susan Devoy holds .
      
      I think the general public are satisfied with performance of both but naturally not a tiny slither of a minority like you lot .
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:27am
      - sam green
        
        She’s not as smart as Joris but she’s white, married, a mother of four sons, and driven and competitive. I think she’s relatively apolitical if not slightly righty as well which in many regards would make her ideal for the role.
        
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        September 25, 2016 11:45am
    - Gabby
      
      Hey, it turns out Social Justice Bully is this week’s phrase. Gravitas must be for later.
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:34am
      - Icarus
        
        Gabby, unlike “original” terms like: racist, bigot, anti semite, sexist, … phobic etc ?
        
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        September 25, 2016 11:50am
    - Reid
      
      Here’s what I don’t get: white males know we’re the target, but hardly any white males resist in any way the attacks made on them by the P.C. psychobabble crowd as they successively progress, one after the other, slowly, slowly, slice the elelphant, decades in the making, decades still to come. Most white males in fact swallow whole the lipstick they use, which is the human wights justification bollocks. Through such actions, white males are bringing this entirely on themselves, for all it takes is to stand up and say: nah, fuck ya, I’m not having that bollocks, fuck off.
      
      That’s all it takes.
      
      But no, white males continue to commit fraticide, matricide and infanticide, for marriage, family and providing security thereto, is what being a male of any colour is about, and by their actions since the 60’s, you’ve given away all of that to them, if you’re a white male. Because duh, you’re supposed to be the brainy ones, and look what you do, everytime an attack on one of those things comes up? You get all dewy eyed and weep and wail and wend your clothes in the name of this poor imaginary figment who no-one ever knew was yet another widdle victim, oh dear, that nobody had ever heard of before now. That’s precisely what many to most of you dudes do. To someone who watches it as it happens, time after time after time after time, it’s very, very sad.
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:37am
Reid

The end of stealth? New Chinese radar capable of detecting ‘invisible’ targets 100km away

A top Chinese military technology company shocked physicists around the world this week when it announced it had developed a new form of radar able to detect stealth planes 100km away.

The breakthrough relies on a ghostly phenomenon known as quantum entanglement, which Albert Einstein dubbed “spooky action at a distance.”

Quantum physics says that if you create a pair of entangled photons by splitting the original photon with a crystal, a change to one entangled photon will immediately affect its twin, regardless of the distance between them.

A quantum radar, generating a large number of entangled photon pairs and shooting one twin into the air, would be capable of receiving critical information about a target, including its shape, location, speed, temperature and even the chemical composition of its paint, from returning photons.

That sounds similar to a normal radar, which uses radio waves, but quantum radar would be much better at detecting stealth planes, which use special coating materials and body designs to reduce the radio waves they deflect, making them indistinguishable from the background environment.

In theory, a quantum radar could detect a target’s composition, heading and speed even if managed to retrieve just one returning photon. It would be able to fish out the returning photon from the background noise because the link the photon shared with its twin would facilitate identification.

The photons had to maintain certain conditions – known as quantum states – such as upward or downward spin to remain entangled. But Ma said the quantum states could be lost due to disturbances in the environment, a phenomenon known as “decoherence”, which increased the risk of entanglement loss as the photons travelled through the air, thus limiting the effective range of quantum radar.

The CETC breakthrough benefited largely from the recent rapid development of single-photon detectors, which allowed researchers to capture returning photons with a high degree of efficiency.

Quantum radar systems could be small and would be able to evade enemy countermeasures such anti-radar missiles because the ghostly quantum entanglement could not be traced, it said…

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/2021235/end-stealth-new-chinese-radar-capable-detecting-invisible-targets-100km
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September 25, 2016 11:11am
- Icarus
  
  The whole stealth thing appeals to kids growing up on playstation and propaganda.
  
  The F-22 craptor is a failure and the F-35 project is in crisis. The few operational planes the US has made are temperamental expensive rubbish.
  
  Which is why they are only used to bomb civilians and soft targets over secured airspace, for political/propaganda purposes.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus , the 35 project is in crises etc ???
    
    Then why is Israel choosing to include an additional 33 F 35s in its latest military package ?
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-15/us-israel-sign-military-aid-package/7846744
    
    You seem to be completely out of your depth there !
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:34am
    - Icarus
      
      Not a single fully operational F-35 has ever been produced. This in spite of them lowering the final specifications again and again.
      
      And no, I will not google that for you.
      
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      September 25, 2016 11:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        Icarus , the first two F 35s will be delivered to Isreal in December as per my link.
        
        I think the Isreal air force are in a much better position to evaluate their operational capabilities than either you or me .
        
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        September 25, 2016 1:25pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/f-35a-damaged-in-fire-at-air-force-base
    
    Reported yesterday. The electronics in the 35 are super advanced. One plane can pretty much identify all targets and then coordinate air and ground attacks. It’s more than just a fighter.There’s no doubt it’s been problematic. They’ll get there but it’s way over budget.
    They are talking about an upgrade for the F22. Better engines and fitting the electronic suite from the F35. No change to the airframe. They’ve used it in Syria and recently when two intercepted a pair of Russian fighters, they had no idea they were there until they were alongside.I’d take what the Chinese say with a grain of salt- at the moment. Never say never.
    
    Edit, sorry Icarus, as my link shows they have several operational. One flew all the way across the Atalantic recently to the UK too as they start delivery.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:54am
    - Icarus
      
      Predictable PR bullshit.
      
      Yes they have planes flying with F-35 written on them.
      
      No they do not do all the things promised.
      
      You are confusing the sales talk with what is delivered.
      
      Fundamental failure: Military admits F-35 fighter doesn’t work but says it’s too late stop $400B program
      
      https://www.sott.net/article/315096-Fundamental-failure-Military-admits-F-35-fighter-doesnt-work-but-says-its-too-late-stop-400B-program
      
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      September 25, 2016 12:00pm
      - Icarus
        
        TECH LOCKHEED MARTIN
        Only One of Six Air Force F-35s Could Actually Take Off During Testing
        
        http://fortune.com/2016/04/28/f-35-fails-testing-air-force/
        
        America’s ‘everything’ fighter jet is a total disaster
        
        http://theweek.com/articles/601080/americas-everything-fighter-jet-total-disaster
        
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        September 25, 2016 12:03pm
      - Icarus
        
        John McCain: F-35 is ‘a scandal and a tragedy’
        
        Updated 1011 GMT (1811 HKT) April 27, 2016
        
        http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/26/politics/f-35-delay-air-force/
        
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        September 25, 2016 12:07pm
    - Icarus
      
      The Pentagon’s official F-35 bug list is terrifying
      
      http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/222380-the-pentagons-official-f-35-bug-list-is-terrifying
      
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      September 25, 2016 12:08pm
    - Icarus
      
      Officials Continue Putting Off Key Tests Needed to Prove Combat Capability
      
      http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2016/the-f-35-still-failing-to-impress.html?referrer=https://www.google.co.nz/
      
      Dr AoR, you should have spent 0.23 seconds doing a quick search beyond the political PR releases. The US govt and Military are outraged over this and it is well reported.
      
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      September 25, 2016 12:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Icarus , what ever . The proof is in the pudding as All on Red mentions .
        
        Further evidence of that proof is here from my earlier link,
        
        “..The funding will allow Israel to update “the lion’s share” of its fighter aircraft, including purchasing additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.
        
        Israel is scheduled to receive 33 F-35s aircraft, the first two of which will be delivered in December.”
        
        As I said earlier I doubt the Israelis would accept delivery of bum aircraft .
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-15/us-israel-sign-military-aid-package/7846744
        
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        September 25, 2016 1:32pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  what could be done is fakery by subliminal imaging to buy time . Ghost jets. J Key will probably be seen speaking on Queen St in this manner very soon. apparently Obama already is.
  
  Just like the Bible said. Worshipping the image of the beast to be seen world wide
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:22pm
Reid

There is an ominous operation that will soon appear in south Chicago’s Jackson Park, one that will advance the cause of political disruption and international conflict around the world.

The Barack Obama Center and Presidential Library will become a magnet for those malevolent forces wanting to advance Obama’s «existing international order» and a nightmare for nations and leaders hoping to stem the tide of globalization, free trade, open borders, and social and religious bedlam.

On September 20, Obama gave an inkling as to the priorities of his center in his final speech as U.S. president before the United Nations General Assembly. Obama’s presidential center may be the most malignant for the United States and the rest of the world in the history of non-profit and tax-exempt centers dedicated to preserving the memories of past American presidents.

…the Obama Center, run by the tax-exempt Obama Foundation, will advance the concept of American bullying of countries, leaders, and political parties that fail to fit in with Obama’s worldview of a globalized world full of compliant and complacent participants.

Obama lectured the General Assembly that the «existing international order» is here to stay and broadly hinted that anyone or any nation that does not agree with it should suffer the consequences from a globalized world.

…the Obama Center will be a major international status quo propaganda operation to challenge nationalist, secessionist, and popular right-wing and left-wing governments and political parties the world over.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/09/23/beware-coming-obama-center-force-conflict-disruption.html
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September 25, 2016 11:23am
- mikenmild
  
  An evil presidential library. I wonder if its architecture will give any clues to its satanic purpose.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:30am
  - Gabby
    
    It will be clad in lizard skin with third eyes scattered all around.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:39am
  - Reid
    
    You mean like the Israeli Supreme Court or St John the Divine in NY or Denver International? You mean like that?
    
    No, I don’t think he will do anything like that, but goood try. Isn’t he evil tho, isn’t he just. Look what he’s done, just look at it. You’d have to be a complete idiot not to see the complete and utter murderous mess he’s made of the US and the world during his Administration, wouldn’t you. Of course you would be.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:46am
    - mikenmild
      
      Yes, I mean just like all those other lunatic conspiracy theories. Everyone knows evil maniacs always signal their intentions that way. It’s just like the James Bond villains always outline their evil plans so that he can escape and destroy them.
      
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      September 25, 2016 12:55pm
      - Reid
        
        So you can’t look at his record? His destruction, gloabally? These are facts mm, indisputable. History. Stuff that happened.
        
        Not rocket science, is it. Except evidently to you.
        
        BTW, did you check the archecture of those buildings, those are facts too, you know.
        
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        September 25, 2016 1:00pm
      - mikenmild
        
        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denver_Airport_conspiracy_theory
        Hiding in ‘plane’ sight, geddit?
        
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        September 25, 2016 1:03pm
      - Reid
        
        Understanding the symbology they use is quite an advanced subject mm far beyond do they exist or not and since you haven’t even got there yet, how the fuck do you expect to understand precisely what all of those symbols are saying, because to someone who does know, all three of those sites are related to the same thing and are saying the same thing, but you wouldn’t know that, because you have no knowledge even of the elementary who “they” are question.
        
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        September 25, 2016 1:43pm
- Icarus
  
  Obama needs to face trial for war crimes. Same as Saddam did.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    What war crimes ? GWB and his Dad too ? Lets add Bill Clinton .Shall we add Ronald ?
    
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    September 25, 2016 1:34pm
    - Reid
      
      Crikey stephie, finally you get something right. Only trouble is, you don’t know it and think you’re being sarcastic, so no banana this time. But keep trying, like monkeys and Shakespeare, sooner or later stephie, one of these days…
      
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      September 25, 2016 3:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , suggest you provide factual evidence and not parrot Veterans Today or some other .
        
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        September 25, 2016 3:05pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  you have to be a Dinosaur not to understand this
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:23pm
Jack5

Here’s something Auckland’s Chinese expatriates could do that would please a lot of New Zealanders.

Get their families and friends in China campaigning against those in China who are buying elephant skins and causing slaughter of the beasts in Burma and other countries.

There are heaps of humans in the world, but fuck all elephants, and to hunt these great animals for some leather fashion is appalling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805873/The-scourge-skin-poachers-Hideous-sight-butchered-elephant-exposes-sick-trade-animals-hides-feed-soaring-demand-China.html
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September 25, 2016 11:32am
- Icarus
  
  Tip of the iceburg. The number of animals endangered due to the Chinese obsession with animals parts is beyond belief.
  
  It is too sad and depressing for me to even bring myself to supply some links.
  
  I like the Chinese, but there is something wrong with them in this regard.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:38am
- mikenmild
  
  Probably the best thing you could do Jack, is join or donate to one of the mainstream wildlife groups, like WWF, and join their campaign to pressure government like China to do more to stamp out the trade in endangered species.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:40am
  - Icarus
    
    They are political activist groups milky, not wildlife groups.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:41am
  - Jack5
    
    I’ve just had a look at WWF, Milky. It’s interesting. The name apparently isn’t World Wildlife Fund now, except in North America.
    
    Most of the aims are worth while, but the liberals may have infiltrated WWF in the UK, where the site is into things like eating less dairy and meat, and “food miles” and focusing on eating local produce. These seem to have little to do with saving world wildlife, and cut across NZ’s economic interests.
    
    I wonder whether WWF in NZ is linked to the British organisation, which may have been infiltrated by leftist activists, who have taken over lots of once-good organisations like Amnesty.
    
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    September 25, 2016 11:54am
    - sam green
      
      Maybe you could donate to something that Icarus finds acceptable then.
      
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      September 25, 2016 12:08pm
      - Icarus
        
        Maybe you could care enough to have an opinion instead of this contrived and fake cut and paste morality you put on .
        
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        September 25, 2016 12:14pm
      - sam green
        
        Off to church with you grumpy.
        
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        September 25, 2016 2:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps the WWF could use the money it raises in NZ to print little slogans in Mandarin that donor tourist businesses could stick on to itinerary documents, guide pamphlets, and so on.
    
    They could read something inoffensive like: Help us save the world’s elephants and tigers. Avoid buying elephant and tiger products. Tell your friends how this is wiping out world wildlife.
    
    The Greens could push for signs in Chinese where incoming tourists wait at Customs, again letting them know we oppose Chinese demand that is wiping out rhinos, tigers, and now elephants.
    
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    September 25, 2016 12:10pm
- RF
  
  I was watching piles and piles of elephant tusks being burnt on the news the other night. What a waste. To prevent the ivory poachers making a profit why not flood the market with these confiscated tusks and crash the selling price.
  
  Or is that too simple ?
  
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  September 25, 2016 12:02pm
  - Reid
    
    There isn’t a market RF. It’s illegal to trade but some rich people don’t much care about that consequently there’s a black market. Do you think we should flood the black market?
    
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    September 25, 2016 12:48pm
stephieboy

Jack 5 , interesting. I thought the African elephant was the species under threat /

The Indian Elephant used in Asia is domesticated but it would be a shame if they were being slaughtered too to satisfy the Chinese market !
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September 25, 2016 11:38am
- Jack5
  
  It must be the change to summer time: Stephie and I are agreeing today.
  
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  September 25, 2016 11:40am
- Gabby
  
  We should be marketing possum pizzles as jungle tree tiger manly strength and many children.
  
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  September 25, 2016 12:19pm
Icarus

“I thought”

Bullshit stephieboy. You simply said what you think is the current PC response with no “thought” at all.
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September 25, 2016 11:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Icurus , an open season on the slaughter of African and Indian elephants should be declared ?
  
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  September 25, 2016 1:36pm
lofty

Nice and actually a sound idea Gabby.
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September 25, 2016 12:33pm
- Reid
  
  So you’d buy some lofty?
  
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  September 25, 2016 12:50pm
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    You bet Reid..at my age I would give anything a go.
    
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    September 25, 2016 4:01pm
Ross12

Things are getting very messy in Europe. Merkel has ruled out a bailout of Deutsche Bank ( could the German Govt. afford it given the continuing cost of the immigration matters?)

https://mishtalk.com/2016/09/24/merkel-says-no-aid-for-deutsche-bank-depositor-bail-in-coming-up/

I heard a French commentator on TV last night highlighting the fact that French debt per head of population is higher than the Greek debt per head.

Something has to give soon.
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September 25, 2016 12:52pm
- Reid
  
  Key passed same legislation here as they have there, a year or two ago. It means you lose any deposits and get shares in the bank instead. Isn’t that nice.
  
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  September 25, 2016 12:58pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ironic that Merkel’s self-inflicted immigrant costs may weaken the German State to the point where it can no longer prop up Deutsche Bank.
  
  Iron is forged in fire and violence. Time for the Germans to find theirs.
  
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  September 25, 2016 1:15pm
Stars And Stripes

All this talk about endangered species such as elephants and whales makes me think this cannot possibly be true.
They are regularly found in plague proportions at your nearest Pak n Save usually double parked near the front door or in the disabled space.
Viewing opportunities can be had inside the store as well around the confectionary aisle but sometimes near the soft drink area too.
The female of the species usually can be identified by the wearing of tights and jandals.
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September 25, 2016 1:26pm
- sam green
  
  Harsh.
  
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  September 25, 2016 3:04pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The offspring are quite noisy as well
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:14pm
- Gabby
  
  Or so your butler informs you.
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:12pm
Jack5

The Hooerald reports:

Next Sunday, TVNZ docu-drama Doubt: The Scott Watson Case questions the evidence that led to him being jailed for the crime.

Are taxpayers funding this crap through NZ on Air?
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September 25, 2016 1:58pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  How many rubbished Ian Wishart and Howling at the Moon publications until he spoke out against Watson. Pfff
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:17pm
Manolo

How many Mt Roskill residents would take up a similar offer?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805943/Bribed-home-Illegal-migrants-given-hugely-generous-packages-persuade-leave-UK.html
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September 25, 2016 2:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, why should they take up the offer if they’re perfectly happy living here and equally importantly done nothing illegal or wrong ?
  
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  September 25, 2016 2:20pm
Jack5

Muriel Newman’s NZ Centre for Political Research has an interesting list of local body candidates’ views on non-voted appointments to councils. If you are interested in this issue, you might want to have a look at it before you vote.

(There’s an interesting article on the centre’s site about the Kermadec fishing reserve, too.)

http://www.nzcpr.com/local-body-candidate-feedback-2016/#ccc
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September 25, 2016 2:45pm
Chuck Bird

I hear Steve Maharey on Q + A this morning claim that NZ is corruption free. No country in the world is. NZ has a low level of corruption but as long as ex MPs and friends and relations of MPs get preferential treatment in the Criminal Court including permanent name suppression NZ cannot claim to be corruption free.
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September 25, 2016 3:26pm
Manolo

What if the uber corrupt Mrs Clinton loses?
http://nypost.com/2016/09/23/if-hillary-loses-democrats-face-a-long-time-in-exile/
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September 25, 2016 3:47pm
Fletch

@Manolo 8:34

Not only was Trump threatening to have Bill Cinton’s former mistress Gennifer Flowers in the front row at the debate (in response to a threat from Hillary), it looks as though Flowers has agreed!

Donald Trump responded to news that Hillary Clinton’s campaign was planning to place outspoken Trump critic Mark Cuban — a Clinton supporter — in the front row at Monday’s debate to troll the Republican nominee.

“If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him!” Trump responded on Twitter Saturday morning.

BuzzFeed reports that Flowers’ assistant, Judy Stell, emailed them a statement saying, “Ms. Flowers has agreed to join Donald at the debate.”

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/24/trump-threatens-seat-former-bill-clinton-mistress-front-row-debate/

That would be political theatre indeed! Just image – Bill’s mistress in the front row!
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September 25, 2016 3:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  And Hillary Clinton should do likewise and arrange to seat Jeffrey Epstein who Trump has fraternized with on many occasions .
  
  True Bill has done also but is a fact Trump won’t like to be reminded of ,
  
  “The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton”
  
  “Trump’s supporters have long wondered whether he’d use billionaire sicko Jeffrey Epstein as ammo against the Clintons—until a lurid new lawsuit accused The Donald of raping one of Epstein’s girls himself….”
  
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html
  
  Something for Breitbart to ponder with Jeffrey Epstein in the front row
  
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  September 25, 2016 4:23pm
- cha
  
  Just image – Bill’s mistress in the front row!
  
  Yeah, Mark Cuban can’t get into Donald Trump’s head.
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  September 25, 2016 4:31pm
- cha
  
  “Ms. Flowers has agreed to join Donald at the debate.”
  
  Trump’s secret weapon
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:16pm
- cha
  
  Bill Cinton’s former mistress Gennifer Flowers in the front row at the debate
  
  Will Trump’s former mistress be there? I think her name is Melania something.
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:27pm
MH

What I also don’t like about these blue on black extra judicial killings is the fact that relatives seem content to film the event from a distance rather than directly intervene, it’s as though -he’s gonna get shot but I love him just enough to film it for family records or compensation claims. Invariably the VIctim refuses the lawful commands of America’s finest, hell I’d be on the ground arms behind my back keeping my mouth shut unless asked something- such as why I still had my KKK gown and hood on.
The amount of deaths is a worry and brings under the spotlight what may have happened previously. No excuse for rioting, demonstration yes……but will they vote?
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September 25, 2016 4:15pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  This is the truth
  Police Killings Since Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri on a map. http://www.vox.com/a/police-shootings-ferguson-map
  
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  September 25, 2016 5:13pm
- Gabby
  
  Given what they’re recording, just wtf do you think would happen if they ‘intervened’?
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:08pm
cha

heh

“I’ll haunt you when I die.”

http://adage.com/article/campaign-trail/jewish-grandparents-promise-rise-dead-haunt-grandkids-vote-hillary-clinton/305980/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

http://www.weveseenthisbefore.org/
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September 25, 2016 4:31pm
wikiriwhis business

Troops Prefer Trump and Even Johnson Over Clinton: New Poll

—A new poll suggests that American troops are more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump or Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson than they are for Democrat Hillary Clinton.
According to the Military Times poll out Wednesday, the percentage of enlisted troops who said they would vote for Trump was 39.8% and 36.1% for Johnson.

Clinton received just 14.1% support while Green Party candidate Jill Stein was 1.3% and write-in or other third party candidates were 3.2%. The poll also found 5.5% of the troops had no plans to vote.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/21/troops-prefer-trump-and-even-johnson-over-clinton-new-poll.html
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September 25, 2016 4:59pm
cha

After eight years it’s almost like congress wants a military flop.

Wonder why…?

Defense Secretary Ashton Carter expressed deep displeasure with the congressional budgeting process Thursday, calling it “deplorable” that the government seems poised to begin a new fiscal year under a continuing resolution for the eighth year in a row and accusing lawmakers of sacrificing spending on future innovation in favor of weapons systems the Pentagon does not want.

http://federalnewsradio.com/defense/2016/09/carter-eighth-consecutive-year-continuing-resolutions-deplorable-creates-strategic-risk/
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September 25, 2016 5:04pm
DifferentPerspective

Is NZ Labour the Alt-Left?

Hearing about Corbyn’s re-installation to the UK Labour party leadership and watching the floundering of NZ Labour’s perennial losing leader (I mean seriously, even the stupidest of idealogues wouldn’t really think that a man who can’t even win his own electorate seat has much to offer when it comes to winning a General Election).

It struck me, the Left isn’t the Left anymore. They’re a parody of themselves – they’ve morphed in a trans-gender kind of a fashion in the new Alt-Left.

Which is kind of like the Alt-Right in the US (except without their coherent set of policies and without any popular support).
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September 25, 2016 5:44pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  The right definitely isn’t right anymore and J Key certainly does not consider himself right.
  
  Both parties are centrist which means absolutely nothing except collusion
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:00pm
Odakyu-sen

I’ve picked up something on the radar recently: MGTOW. Seems similar to the “herbivorous males” of Japan.

While Europe may be letting in truck-loads of testosterone-packed immigrant males (to offset the decline in population?), Japan cannot do so without having the “purity” of its culture contaminated.

Is MGTOW self-correcting, or is it a warning sign of the kind that John B. Calhoun inferred from his rodent population experiments in the early 1960s.

Are MGTOW / herbivorous men what John B. Calhoun called “the beautiful ones” in his 1960’s mouse experiments?

Discussion, anyone?
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September 25, 2016 5:47pm
- mikenmild
  
  RationalWiki sums them up:
  
  It’s unclear if the movement has any power beyond “disgruntled douchebags talking shit about women on the Internet.” The reaction of people who come across their posts online largely tends to be “Go your own way and stop whining already!”
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:16pm
- Reid
  
  You raise interesting questions O-s.
  
  While Europe may be letting in truck-loads of testosterone-packed immigrant males (to offset the decline in population?)
  
  It’s not doing it by choice but by political coercion. Their politicans have never put it to a vote, as in, “vote for us if you want lots of Africans and Muslims living here,” have they. Not once, over the decades this has proceeded apace up to and including the recent massive surge, which the European politicians caused in the first place via their support through NATO of the US actioms in supporting the thugs attacking the Syrian people. Not once, in any separate democracy in Europe, was that choice ever put to the people, not once, anywhere. So that should say something to those of you who think.
  
  Is MGTOW self-correcting
  
  Of course but to correct a dis-ease you need to identify root cause and eliminate it. Immediate and superficial root-cause og MGTOW is porn availability. Sex is the driver behind getting together with a long term partner. Other things quickly take over, but that’s the initial driver. And web porn for free has decimated that driver. Think that’s accidental?
  
  Web-porn is not the only superficial root-cause there are others such as the respect society as a whole through its culture as expressed in media, art. etc grants to “social instituions” e.g. marriage. And as we know this has been in general decline.
  
  As for deep root-cause, do we find accidental drivers that just coalesced a bunch of random stuff and hey presto? Or do we find a design.
  
  As most know I think its the latter. I base this on the limiited territorial ubiquity (all Western nations and allies but only those and no others), the timing (last few generations and not before for hundreds if not thousands of generations and when things happen they happen simultaneously (e.g. gay marriage campaign) across all vasal nations at the same time and many other similarities which rule out random patterns.
  
  It originated in communism. Over time it’s become refined but its goal remains the same: destroy social institutions such as the family and religion so the individual relies on the state.
  
  The fact it happens only in the West and apparently the West is democratic yet it keeps happening is quite beyond to assimilate so they don’t even bother and evidently pretend they don’t notice.
  
  Sad really.
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:49pm
wikiriwhis business

FBI Finally Releases Tesla Documents on Death Ray, Ball Lightning and More

At long last, the FBI has released its document cache of files containing information on Nikola Tesla, including his inventions like death ray and ball lightning, as well as how the government obtained his notes and memos following his death.

Tesla, an inventor and innovator considered at least decades ahead of his time, predicted and helped develop an early prototype of a smartphone, among many other things.

In the Volume 100 of Popular Science Monthly in 1922, for example, Tesla predicted video calling:

“It will soon be possible to see as well as hear by means of electricity. ‘Television’ will be employed as generally as telephoning. As one listens to a voice at the other end of the line, he will also see every expression of the speaker’s face,” explained Tesla in his article.

“In a general way the instrument used for television will closely resemble the mechanism of the human eye. Success in transmitting vision depends upon four things, and of these I have already perfected two.

“The radio transmission of sound will also be developed in the future far beyond the present system. It will be possible not only for any person with a station to listen in, but also to transmit at the same time to every other station. I have already accomplished this in my experiments.”

Tesla’s experiments and inventions, and incredibly forward-thinking vision, made him the target of FBI and government surveillance. Upon his death in the midst of World War II — which had been documented January 7, 1943, though the new cache of documents suggests he didn’t pass away until the following day — the FBI rushed to seize trunk loads of his work in order to prevent anything falling into the hands of Axis forces.

But considering his inventions centered around electricity and involved the amplification of power, the United States government likely had motivations it never put to paper.
http://hpub.org/FBI_Finally_Releases_Tesla_Documents_on_Death_Ray%2C_Ball_Lightning_and_More-54279/
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September 25, 2016 5:58pm
- Reid
  
  You heard of Curious George wiki?
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiki,
  
  Certainly, Telsa was a remarkable individual and inventor. However, his major stumbling block was that unlike Edison or Bell he did not have a good business head and who could not, therefore, realise the economic potential of his discoveries .
  
  He ended up a broken and lonely man living in poverty .His attempt to transmit electricity wirelessly failed and proved impractical,.The Wardenclyffe Tower fiasco . The concept of” free energy” of his was a myth
  
  http://listverse.com/2014/09/26/10-uncomfortable-truths-about-nikola-tesla/
  
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  September 25, 2016 6:34pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    He was ripped off by J P Morgan who saw the possibility of free power to consumers and immediately stamped on Tesla
    
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    September 25, 2016 6:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      wiki , from my link,
      
      Tesla’s most ambitious project—and his biggest failure—was Wardenclyffe Tower. He envisioned a gigantic tower that could transmit incredibly powerful amounts of electricity and wireless communication all around the globe. He asked for $1 million to fund the project, which is close to $30 million in today’s money. However, the only major backer he secured was J.P. Morgan, who offered him $150,000 dollars, or about $4 million now. Morgan also wanted a stake in Tesla’s patents, which indicates that he might not have had much faith in his investment. Once Tesla had his funding, he went straight to work. He purchased plots of land and hired laborers to build his tower, which consisted of 16 steel supports that went hundreds of feet into the Earth. He intended to use the Earth itself as a conductor and believed that the supports from his tower would “grip the Earth” and “make it quiver” even at those relatively shallow depths.While many people think the structure failed because Tesla didn’t receive the proper funding, he apparently completed the plans outlined in his patent and produced a transmitter. The problem was that it didn’t work. Tesla was desperate to fix it and begged Morgan for more money, but Morgan refused, disappointed in the initial results.
      “Modern-day experts who have studied the Wardenclyffe Tower have come away with more questions than answers. They couldn’t figure out how Tesla’s device was supposed to accomplish its intended purposes, and the same patent that proposed the plan to use the Earth as a conductor contained another plan to shoot the energy into the Earth’s ionosphere. They aren’t sure which method he intended to use or even which one he actually tested. It’s likely that no money in the world would “
      
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      September 25, 2016 6:57pm
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        You mean Tesla wrote no proposals to explain anything ?
        
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        September 25, 2016 7:48pm
wikiriwhis business

Hey, how hard is to be John Key? Not very. Yesterday in New York for instance, Key basically took an old May 2 Washington Post article written by Barack Obama, recycled it back to the Americans, and still scored headlines here at home such as: “John Key Warns US Of Risks In Failing To Ratify TPP…” That’s telling them.
For the record, here’s the link to Obama’s five month old article in which Obama made this point:

‘Building walls to isolate ourselves from the global economy would only isolate us from the incredible opportunities it provides. Instead, America should write the rules. America should call the shots. Other countries should play by the rules that America and our partners set, and not the other way around…..The longer we wait, the harder it will be to pass the TPP. The world has changed. The rules are changing with it. The United States, not countries like China, should write them. Let’s seize this opportunity, pass the Trans-Pacific Partnership and make sure America isn’t holding the bag, but holding the pen.

And here’s what Key said yesterday :

“So our view is that if TPP fails to get ratified during the ‘lame duck’ period it will be a massive lost opportunity for the United States both for their consumers and business, but also for the geopolitics of the region.….. [Key] said failure to get a TPP deal through Congress would…..potentially cause it to lose geopolitical ground to China. “Because, in the end, if that vacuum is not filled by the United States, it will be filled by someone else – it has to be…..”

So here was New Zealand, dutifully pitching in as the White House messenger to a Congress that has heard this message many times before, and been notably unimpressed by it. Throughout 2015, the Obama administration repeatedly depicted the TPP in these geopolitical terms, vis a vis China. It did so here and mid 2016, administration officials repeated this regional security theme:

“Failure to pass TPP will have an impact,” said Catherine A. Novelli, Under Secretary of State for Economic Growth, Energy, and the Environment. “China is actively working in Asia and has strong relationships with its neighbors and we expect this will continue. TPP provides balance in the region and sets a very high bar for transparent rules and open and fair trade.”

In April last year, Defense Secretary Ash Carter even claimed the TPP was as valuable in a strategic sense, as an aircraft carrier.

In short, Key wasn’t telling the Americans anything yesterday that they hadn’t said (and heard) themselves many, many times before.
http://werewolf.co.nz/2016/09/gordon-campbell-on-our-posturing-at-the-un/

And outside of the NZ media propaganda machine the world didn’t care
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September 25, 2016 6:08pm
cha

What a relief!. I was beside myself worrying about this.
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Kim Kardashian confirms: 'I stand with Hillary' https://t.co/LjTFjdB3jA pic.twitter.com/KBtXLY6JmM— The Hill (@thehill) September 24, 2016
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September 25, 2016 6:21pm
- cha
  
  He’s a lazy fucker that Kanye.
  
  I see Kanye is still refusing to change diapers. pic.twitter.com/sR2wyAeRfE— Stansaid Airport (@StansaidAirport) September 21, 2016
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:57pm
Jack5

A suspect has been arrested for the mall shooting north of Seattle in Washington state. He’s a Turk.

Wait for the usual PR release: (as yet) no known terrorist links, hasn’t been going to the mosque lately, has had a personality change, family had warned police or someone, disturbing incident in childhood overseas.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37465495
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September 25, 2016 6:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , we will let you take over the investigation to allow you to reach your predetermined conclusions based on an impeccable and objective gathering of your evidence and facts .
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:01pm
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    Go on, Stephie, make a couple of quick calls to Stephiestan and get us the inside story.
    
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    September 25, 2016 7:37pm
- Manolo
  
  Another lone wolf and devout follower of the religion of peace, maybe?
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/25/mall-shooting-suspect-was-zombie-like-when-arrested-officials-say.html
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:18pm
  - Inandout
    
    Zombie like? Probably just had a prayer session in the local mosque.
    
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    September 25, 2016 9:53pm
- kowtow
  
  TVNZ leads its evening “news” with a long look at the police shooting of a blackman. A couple of items in it spends literally just moments on the Arcan Cetin shooting, doesn’t tell us he’s a Turk , but does say ‘motive unknown”. 99% of Turks follow the religion of peace…….motive unknown.
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:22pm
  - cha
    
    The disabled black man who was shot in an open carry state by police who were on the scene to serve a warrant on somebody else. That black man?.
    
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    September 25, 2016 7:39pm
    - Inandout
      
      Should he be a blue man?
      
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      September 25, 2016 9:55pm
stigie

Call me a terrible person but i reckon Helen would easily get the top job if she looked like this as she was in the good old days..?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Helen_Clark_2.jpg
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September 25, 2016 7:15pm
- dad4justice
  
  Surely you jest stigie that cannot be that terrible Klarkula ?
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:17pm
- sam green
  
  Awww she’s gorgeous!
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:23pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Gorgeous to a transexual.
    
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    September 25, 2016 7:26pm
    - sam green
      
      I didn’t know you were a tranny dad.
      
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      September 25, 2016 7:33pm
      - big bruv
        
        Opps…..
        
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        September 25, 2016 7:34pm
      - stigie
        
        No , that’s not right Sam, he’s only had a bit to do with trannies..?
        
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        September 25, 2016 7:36pm
- Fletch
  
  That’s the infamous “airbrushed” photo from one of her last elections. She never looked like that.
  
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  September 25, 2016 8:14pm
- PhilP
  
  stigie, that photo adorns the halls of Parliaments gallery of former Prime Ministers. I wonder to myself, where is Helen Clark’s picture hanging???
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:16pm
stigie

Some say she was rootable back then Dad..?
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September 25, 2016 7:21pm
- Manolo
  
  Even the redoubtable Mr Davis would have been tempted? ?
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:23pm
- dad4justice
  
  I wouldn’t shag that horrible witch for all the money in the world. Yuck.
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:24pm
  - stigie
    
    You just don’t know there Dad, could have been one hell of an experience with the professor watching on ole chap..?
    
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    September 25, 2016 7:29pm
  - big bruv
    
    Her husband might disagree D4J.
    
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    September 25, 2016 7:29pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Does her husband spend much time in New York with his wife?
      
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      September 25, 2016 8:19pm
      - stigie
        
        Is he even allowed to leave the country Dad..?
        
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        September 25, 2016 8:25pm
      - big bruv
        
        I imagine he does. Most married couples spend a lot of time together.
        
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        September 25, 2016 8:27pm
Jack5

Here’s a topic for a Sunday night. One James W. Stack read a paper in Christchurch on 4 September 1879 in which he discussed Maori language’s handling of colours. Forgive the long post, but I hope some of few find this subject interesting. ( The full paper can be read in the link at the end):

… There are only three colours for which terms exist, namely, white, black, and red. White, ma (sometimes tea—very limited application). Black, pouri, pango, mangu. Red, whero, kura, ngangana.

AND

… Ma is not only the term for whiteness and clearness, but also for all the lighter tints of yellow, grey, and green. Grey hair is called hina … every other grey object was either ma or pango, as it inclined to a lighter or darker shade.

To express blackness three terms exist, pouri, pango, and mangu. The night was pouri, and any very dark tint might be expressed by the same word. Pouri and Marama were constantly used to express opposite mental conditions. Pango and mangu were applied indiscriminately to describe anything black …

… To express the quality of redness we find whero, kura, ngangana, uraura, mumura, and in addition to these huru kehu to describe red hair, and kokowai, red ochre; but neither of these words was ever applied to describe redness in anything but human hair and ochre …

AND

Yellow and green were recognized, not as abstract conceptions of colour, but only as they are associated with objects. Puakowhai, or kowhai flower, is the term which represents yellow; but waipakurakura is sometimes applied to yellow liquids with an orange tint = reddish-yellow.

Kakariki or kakawariki = green … the word representing green … means literally, little parrot. This word, slightly altered to kakawariki, means green lizard; and I have sometimes heard kawakawa used to describe green. Pounamu or greenstone … is sometimes used now as a colour term.

… The word matomato, often employed to express the idea of greenness in vegetation, signifies luxuriance ….

AND

Blue was not formerly recognized, as no word exists to represent it. Anything blue was classed with black …

… No words are found in the Maori language to express violet, brown, orange, and pink colours …

The paper:

http://rsnz.natlib.govt.nz/volume/rsnz_12/rsnz_12_00_001430.html
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- Jack5
  
  What sparked off this Christchurch paper reading was a theory espoused by Gladstone, four times Prime Minister of Britain, and also an eminent scholar of Ancient Greece, and of Homer in particular.
  
  Gladstone noted that the Ancient Greeks had an extremely restricted vocabulary for colours – mainly black, white, and red.
  
  Gladstone’s colours thesis is today once again a subject of debate and an inspiration for further research.
  
  This great man, who wanted to give the Irish Home Rule as early as 1886, is today remembered chiefly for his rivalry with the Conservative leader, Disraeli, and for his relations with Queen Victoria, who once grizzled: “He always addresses me as if I were a public meeting.”
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:45pm
  - nasska
    
    Of Disraeli, Gladstone is reported to have said:
    
    “I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease”.
    
    Disraeli replied, “That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.”
    
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    September 25, 2016 8:11pm
wikiriwhis business

New #scottwatson doco “waste of a million dollars” says Wishart, announcing free webinar on the case
http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/…/new-scott-watson-do…/
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September 25, 2016 7:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good programme on Prime at the moment..

Historian Michael Woodhouse on the History of China.
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September 25, 2016 7:57pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  No mention of Hudson Taylor no doubt
  
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  September 25, 2016 8:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s only the 1st episode…2000BC – 200BC
    
    Michael Wood doesn’t get to the 19th C. until Episode 5
    
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    September 25, 2016 8:26pm
    - wiseowl
      
      Very interesting.
      Watched that after ‘Who do you think you are?’ .
      Tracing Indian family that revealed in 1947 fathers were killing their daughters and women were jumping into wells in preference to being captured by Muslims during partition of Punjab.
      What a terrible religion.
      Worth watching if it is on again.
      
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      September 25, 2016 8:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        wiseowl , the partition was indeed a bloody and tragic affair . That family you describe could equally be a Muslim family,
        
        http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/the-great-divide-books-dalrymple
        
        Both Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs suffered terribly with an estimated 1 million slaughtered . Families and communities who had lived peacefully together for generations and generations turned on each other in wholesale massacres .
        
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        September 25, 2016 8:59pm
      - Manolo
        
        One result of the partition is the execrable failed state of Pakistan, another violent Muslim country.
        
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        September 25, 2016 9:04pm
wikiriwhis business

Call for inquiry into Niue resort contract
The Labour Party has asked the Auditor-General to investigate the awarding of a resort management contract in Niue to one of the National Party’s biggest donors.

Businessman Earl Hagaman made a large donation to the National Party two years ago, and a month later his company announced it had secured the luxury resort contract in Niue.

Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully said there was no link between the two events, nor $7.5 million in aid funding to expand the resort a year later.

But Labour leader Andrew Little said he had written to the Auditor-General asking for an investigation.

“There is a real issue when you look at the timing of the events, so the donation to the National Party, the awarding of the contract and then some months later a further contribution from the government to upgrade the hotel.

“It just looks murky from the outside, it looks shady, and I just think we need some answers and some assurance that there isn’t anything untoward here,” Mr Little said.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/301746/call-for-inquiry-into-resort-contract

Definitely an interesting case of public interest no matter what McCully says
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September 25, 2016 8:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are you living in a time warp?
  
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  September 25, 2016 8:45pm
stigie

Time the NCC and the police moved this wanna be homeless person along with all his shit cluttering the main street in Nelson disrupting business owners !~

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/84552097/nelson-retailers-launch-counterprotest-to-lewis-stantons-central-city-camp
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September 25, 2016 8:18pm
- nasska
  
  Give the poor old bugger his horse & cart back first! 🙂
  
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  September 25, 2016 8:28pm
  - stigie
    
    Yeah, that’s a bloody fine idea Nasska ole chap, as long as he stays away from Eketahuna..?
    
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    September 25, 2016 8:34pm
    - nasska
      
      Send him up to Eke then stigie. There’s bound to be a bit of spare room on the Main St that he can spread out on.
      
      Like about 90% of it.
      
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      September 25, 2016 8:37pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nassska:
        
        I’m assuming that people have stocked up on fumigation chemicals in Eketahuna? The guy looks like he could do with a bit of a spray. Come to think of it, maybe we could send Penny down your way for a weekend at Nasska’s to have a country spa treatment?
        
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        September 25, 2016 8:49pm
      - stigie
        
        As long as the SPCA will let me send the horse up with a guarantee from you that the poor bastard will have plenty of shade in the summer and his mother can send him up, she has plenty of dosh. A win win for everybody putting yourself and the kind gesture in the Eketahuna Daily.
        
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        September 25, 2016 8:52pm
      - nasska
        
        It’s a sad case Nosta. The poor old sod drove his horse & cart laden with his worldly wealth to Nelson in order to have a chat with the Council about something. While he was waiting for an appointment to see the ringer of the outfit the citizens of Nelson gradually stole his horse, his cart, his trailer, his personal possessions until now you see him wintering over, half naked in the town square.
        
        I have a good mind to approach the HRC & the Green Party on his behalf.
        
        The Nelson City Council are probably only a matter of months away from harvesting one of his kidneys to sell!
        
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        September 25, 2016 8:57pm
cha

A rather strange Islamist.

In response to a letter in the Whidbey News-Times in May 2013 praising President Obama and Washington Governor Jay Inslee, Cetin commented that the pair’s liberalism “sounds like Communism.” On his Twitter page, which hasn’t been updated since the summer of 2015, Cetin recommended Hillary Clinton and “Hitler’s wife” to be the new face of the ten dollar bill.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/arcan-cetin-cascade-mall-burlington-washington-shooting-suspect-shooter-name/
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September 25, 2016 8:29pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Let me guess. This man Cetin has “mental issues” (in addition to anger management issues) it seems…
  
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  September 25, 2016 8:39pm
  - cha
    
    From what I’ve read he’s more Eliot Rodger loser than Adam Lanza weirdo.
    
    https://twitter.com/ArcanCetin
    
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    September 25, 2016 8:54pm
dad4justice

“Most married couples spend a lot of time together ”

Such a high profile thing who wants to be head of UN and she is never in the spotlight with her husband. Why is that Heather surely the WORLD needs the truth?
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September 25, 2016 9:03pm
stigie

Do you think Heather is more rootable than her husband then Dad..?
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September 25, 2016 9:10pm
- dad4justice
  
  Ask Clint Heine.
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:32pm
stephieboy

Manolo

“One result of the partition is the execrable failed state of Pakistan, another violent Muslim country.”

Could not the same be said of your homeland ?

http://www.indonesia-investments.com/business/risks/radical-islam/item245
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September 25, 2016 9:11pm
- Jack5
  
  Stephie X:
  
  Don’t be too touchy about Stephiestan.
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:50pm
Manolo

Violent, intolerant Islam kills again:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/nahed-hattar-shot-dead-prominent-jordanian-writer-charged-with-offensive-facebook-post-killed-a7328651.html

A Jordanian writer who was arrested for posting a cartoon deemed offensive to Islam has been shot dead.

Nahed Hattar was assassinated in front the Supreme Court in Amman with local media reporting he was shot three times in the head.

The risk of bringing Muslims to NZ is too high.
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September 25, 2016 9:11pm
nasska

The year is 2016. There are machines which can look through skin & see bones. There are machines which keep you alive when your brain & heart have stopped. There’s even a machine that can tell you who your parents are with a single drop of spit.

However, when I need my prostate checked a man sticks his finger up my arsehole & wriggles it about a bit.
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September 25, 2016 9:17pm
- dad4justice
  
  I think you should shut down that milking machine Hillbilly and finger the herd .
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:23pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  a man sticks his finger up my arsehole & wriggles it about a bit
  
  There’s a few commentators here who would pay for that experience!
  
  Evening Dad. How’s life down your way?
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:24pm
  - dad4justice
    
    All good Nostra just trying to keep warm.
    
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    September 25, 2016 9:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I could describe the machine we ladies have that scrunches our mammaries flat (bottom to top, and sideways)…just pray they don’t invent similar for your goolies.
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    I would have thought a breast rub would be nothing compared to a pap smear test.
    
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    September 25, 2016 9:32pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      A breast rub!!!!
      Holy moly…
      It’s a compression at somewhere around 30Newtons at the same time as the armpit skin is stretched to get as much of the lymph nodes in…
      
      As long as the speculum is at room temp, having a pap smear is probably not much different from having a finger up your bum… (or so I try & tell the hubby.. who doesn’t do Drs).
      
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      September 25, 2016 9:57pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Your husband isn’t into Doctors and Nurses in the bedroom? Where’s his sense of adventure! Johnboy could teach him a thing or two about role-playing, I’m sure!
        
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        September 25, 2016 10:05pm
sam green

Oh dear – the tone.
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September 25, 2016 9:27pm
stigie

“Maaaarvelous” Nostra !~
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September 25, 2016 9:28pm
Manolo

Sexually repressed “refugees” and the joy of multiculturalism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806185/Woman-26-abducted-raped-gang-six-migrants-Iraq-Syria-Bahrain-spiked-night-out.html
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September 25, 2016 9:29pm
Nostradamus

Thieves target Auckland Council candidate

Thieves ransacked an Auckland Council candidate’s Mt Eden home as he and his family slept, before taking a trailer off his car, which was full with election billboards, and driving off in it.
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The Albert-Eden candidate said he went to bed at midnight and someone broke into his house sometime before 9am when his family got up.

“They crept through the house while my wife, daughter and I were sleeping in it,” he said.

“They passed within two metres of our bedrooms.”

That’s pretty scary.
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September 25, 2016 9:29pm
- stigie
  
  They wouldn’t dare go near that other candidate Nostra that lives in School Rd Kingsland, the stench of cat piss would be a deterant !~
  
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  September 25, 2016 9:38pm
  - nasska
    
    After eight years of restricted , yet sorely needed, water at that address Penny’s armpits have been registered as deadly weapons.
    
    Any intruders would be lucky to escape with their lives! 🙂
    
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    September 25, 2016 9:41pm
    - RF
      
      I can just imagine a terrified burglar handing himself in to the Police after being confronted with a deranged mad women smelling of cats piss and shreeking about not paying her rates.
      
      He will require intensive treatment for years.
      
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      September 25, 2016 10:21pm
Manolo

The other Hitchens on the corrupt Clinton:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3805989/The-world-s-fixated-Trump-Hillary-drag-catastrophic-war-writes-PETER-HITCHENS-America.html
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September 25, 2016 9:31pm
Nostradamus

A horrible day in the office…

North Sydney crane collapse leaves workers hanging inside dangling boom

Three workers left dangling by their safety harnesses inside the boom of a crane that collapsed atop a North Sydney building site have been rescued.

Fire and Rescue New South Wales Inspector Ron James said emergency services were called to the crane collapse at Arthur Street about 11:30am, with reports that three people were trapped.

“On arrival, we found the boom of the crane was hanging over the side of the building with three people [hanging] inside the boom,” Inspector James said.

Check out the photos – these guys would’ve been crapping themselves…
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September 25, 2016 9:37pm
cha

Well this fucking sucks.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2016/09/23/monty-pythons-terry-jones-diagnosed-with-dementia/90901288/
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September 25, 2016 10:59pm
cha

Whanganui born Whovian Major Barrington and minor python Terry Bayler has kicked off, too.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/sep/22/terence-bayler-obituary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Games
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September 25, 2016 11:11pm
Jack5

If any members of the Stephie team are still awake, perhaps they would like to bring this up at the staff meeting after prayers in the morning.

A Pakistani actor in England has made racially offensive statements about Indians. It might be in prudent for the Stephie team to pass a resolution deploring this racism:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806058/Pakistani-born-Coronation-Street-star-Marc-Anwar-sacked-racism-calling-Indian-s-b-s-Twitter-rant.html
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September 25, 2016 11:18pm
BeeSting

Look this is what happens when you get rid of
all the Evil White people or refuse to allow them passports? as Liberia Does.

Liberia set up by Freed Slaves from America.

Wow it this Utopia or What?

It is not Logan South Auckland Owairaka or
Mount Roskill

But anyway

The Cannibal Generals of Liberia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwI5unlK9M

When Auckland is finally ethnically cleansed
will it go become this?
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September 26, 2016 1:18am
- Icarus
  
  Every one of them a potential US president.
  
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  September 26, 2016 7:47am
Manolo

The outcome was rigged and predetermined:
http://observer.com/2016/09/the-fbi-investigation-of-emailgate-was-a-sham/

From the moment the EmailGate scandal went public more than a year ago, it was obvious that the Federal Bureau of Investigation never had much enthusiasm for prosecuting Hillary Clinton or her friends. Under President Obama, the FBI grew so politicized that it became impossible for the Bureau to do its job – at least where high-ranking Democrats are concerned.
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September 26, 2016 7:02am
- Griff
  
  A conspiracy Manolo .
  How tinfoil .
  When are you going to take back all the birther nonsense you have posted all over this blog for years?
  Don’t you wonks learn? Your sources are pushing rubbish .
  
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  September 26, 2016 7:32am
  - Icarus
    
    Mr Trump ended that birther nonsense Hillary started.
    
    Do try and educate yourself on the topic a little Griff before making a fool of yourself.
    
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