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Icarus

Dear Griff & Co.

This is General Debate, as opposed to an Echo Chamber.

That means other points of view may be presented and popular narratives may be examined, pedestals may be shaken. Your ideas will be challenged. This we call “debate” not “trolling”.

You may also find multiple people may share a view that differs from your own. This is not a conspriacy of Donald Trump and Big Oil working through their agents on KB.

Happy to help 🙂
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September 18, 2016 8:05am
- kowtow
  
  “pedestals may be shaken”
  
  Perches pushed and cages rattled?
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:40am
  - MH
    
    at the end of the day the workers come in and huck out the cage, replace the water, flush out the bowl, wipe the seat and replace the rolls of toilet paper discarded near an empty bin pick the soap off the floor then a final quick squirt of air freshener…….998 times a day
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:42pm
- Nukuleka
  
  The point is that, given the new format of Kiwiblog, General Debate is now even more tedious than it used to be given the relentless self-absorption of the trollers. DPF should recognise this negative feature of the changes and perhaps act accordingly.
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:43pm
  - Icarus
    
    By getting rid of pointless whining comments like yours ?
    
    Do try and elevate yourself.
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:48pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  the only debate Griff understands is the one prefaced with “Mastur”. Waste of time arguing with him as he he refuses to acknoledge any other viewpoint other than his own, and then belittles the person rather than argue coherently. Thats why I will never respond to his comments – ever.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:44pm
Hajji

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3794086/Horrifying-photos-children-dying-hunger-HALF-population-lives-critical-poverty-socialist-Venezuela.html

This is the New Zealand that Little ‘Brain’, the ‘Greens’ and Susan Bradford would deliver.
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September 18, 2016 8:07am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  When the revolution comes, it won’t be pretty, but it will have to come. That’s the price of socialism’s failure.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:07am
- Nermal
  
  It is also a cautionary tale for many families in New Zealand who breed and spend beyond their earning capability and expect the rest of us to house and care for them and their offspring
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:46pm
Hajji

@ Icarus

Actually Hajji is paid $$$$$$ by Donald and Biggest Oil to post here.

So are lots and lots of other right wing (=sensible) Kiwibloggers.

Eat your heart out, Griff and Mikenmad!
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September 18, 2016 8:09am
duggledog

Haj

Ultimately, like the Greeks and so, so many more populations around the world, they either voted for it to happen, or they let it happen.

Dumb arses.

I have an idea.

Let’s allow LOADS of immigrants from f***ed up countries into New Zealand! What could go wrong!
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September 18, 2016 8:09am
Chuck Bird

It appears that it is not just rugby players that have a rape culture but bus drivers as well. What a crock of anti-male crap. The woman was a stupid greedy prostitute. If she had paid for a minder this would not have happened. She took money for extras and I say that makes her a prostitute unless you but Bill Clinton’s definition of sex.

Chiefs rugby scandal: Bus driver admits touching stripper

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11711892
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September 18, 2016 8:12am
- Viking2
  
  Bet he worked for GoBus.
  
  At 70 you don’t turn down an opportunity like that.
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:35am
  - wiseowl
    
    Who owns Go Bus?
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:59am
    - Viking2
      
      Tainui and Ngai Tahu along with an overseas investment company.
      
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      September 18, 2016 12:15pm
- Gabby
  
  First rule of prostitutes: you fucking pay up unless you’re a fucking moron.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:52am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/84346494/new-zealands-racist-justice-system–our-law-is-not-colourblind

Dude, you still ended up in jail because you committed a crime. JK didn’t do the crime and have you framed for it – you did the crime, now face up for it.
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September 18, 2016 8:13am
Manolo

The loudmouth is catching the crook:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/race-tightens-projected-u-electoral-college-vote-reuters-114535676.html
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September 18, 2016 8:16am
duggledog

cmm

I’m sure in the last twelve months it was discovered that Police had been told to go easy on brown people?

Making the point in the article a bit of an own goal for the writer
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September 18, 2016 8:21am
starboard

You beat me to it cmm, what a crock of shit that is, and this from a lawyer..

“The defence lawyer had sought to have the judge take into account that his client had suffered social deprivation as a Maori…”

Like you said, do the crime, do the time..bro..
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September 18, 2016 8:22am
- cmm
  
  “social deprivation as a Maori”
  
  What crap.
  
  Why are the same people selling us bullshit that Maori culture, mana etc should be put on a pedestal and seen to be superior to Western culture?
  
  It seems you can’t have it both ways. Either:
  
  * The Maori “mana”, culture and value system are superior and generate better people with better values. If so, then being a Maori should not be seen as an excuse for committing crime.
  
  -or-
  
  * The Maori “mana” culture and value system are not generating better people with better values. If so, then we should not be brainwashing our kids with it.
  
  So which is it? It can’t be both.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:46am
  - ross411
    
    And yet, it is. What are you going to do about it?
    
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    September 18, 2016 10:33am
    - cmm
      
      “And yet, it is. What are you going to do about it?”
      
      Sorry it isn’t…
      But I still do a few things about it:
      
      1) I hold everyone to the same standard when I interact with them. I don’t hand out victim cards to Maori (or blacks or women or gays…) and expect them to perform to lower standards.
      
      2) I don’t pretend to be enraptured by Maori culture. I look for reason and evidence in decision making. Taniwha etc do not count.
      
      3) I Don’t apologise for being white.
      
      4) I homeschooled my kids so they would not be brainwashed by this stuff.
      
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      September 18, 2016 2:09pm
      - starboard
        
        Well said that man..especially number 4, good on you.
        
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        September 18, 2016 2:35pm
  - MH
    
    lack of macons……offence under the Trick and Treaty
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:50pm
    - MH
      
      macrons ssh
      
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      September 18, 2016 5:55pm
Griff

You may also find multiple people may share a view that differs from your own. This is not a conspriacy of Donald Trump and Big Oil working through their agents on KB

No we have a term that encapsulates you, all on red and Maggie and your anti science nutwhackery
Useful idiots.
As it is well know on this blog you are KEA and Kriss X you have no right to even post here having already recieved enough strikes to be permanently banned .

The tone argument (also tone policing) is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument is dismissed or accepted on its presentation: typically perceived crassness, hysteria or anger. Tone arguments are generally used by tone trolls (esp. concern trolls) in order to derail or silence opponents lower on the privilege ladder, as a method of positioning oneself as a Very Serious Person.

The fallacy relies on style over substance. It is an ad hominem attack, and thus an informal fallacy.
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September 18, 2016 8:24am
- mikenmild
  
  Re Kea/Legio/Witness/Kriss X and the other manifestations:
  “Do Not Feed the Troll”.
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:30am
- Icarus
  
  Griff you need some new material.
  
  You try this method to discredit people on other sites across the internet. The only result seems to be people regarding you as a loon.
  
  You and your fellow travelers need to either debate the topic, or find another hobby 🙂
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Gosh, our Griff is obsessed isn’t he. Talk about a stalker. I’m starting to think he has issues and should see a Doctor.
    Still, being made to look stupid on one of the most popular blogs in the world (WUWT) must be so cringingly embarrassing!
    Good job.
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:26am
    - Griff
      
      ROFLMAO
      All on red the stupidity displayed by you last night was so very funny.
      Especially the “you always want the last word”comment you made then four posts in a row gibbering away at me afterwards.
      I was watching and laughing hard enough to burst and still are cracking up.
      
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      September 18, 2016 9:33am
    - Icarus
      
      Yes Dr AoR, he is certainly put in his place on the world premier climate science site, by numerous researchers and science professionals.
      
      Maybe he thinks we are all too stupid and present easy pickings here on KB ?
      
      I just wish he would present a coherent argument – in his own words – instead of cutting and pasting, combined with personal attacks.
      
      Poor Griff, I wonder what the matter is with him.
      
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      September 18, 2016 9:34am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m a bit worried about him. He’s clearly obsessed- he’s seems stuck saying the same things. Over and over. Very angry too. I suspect he will pop a vein in his head soon.
        I think he just needs to calm down and relax. Take a walk in the country or something. Listen to some music. It must have been such a humiliating experience for him. Poor little man.
        
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        September 18, 2016 9:41am
- starboard
  
  When you copy and paste Griff, use these ” ” …otherwise you may look more intelligent than you make out.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:16am
  - Griff
    
    I know its hard starboard.
    Blockquote ……..
    Thats “” writ large.
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:25am
    - calendar girl
      
      The words / abbreviations for which you are searching, Griff, are “it’s” and “That’s”.
      
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      September 18, 2016 11:26am
      - Griff
        
        Dear dear
        What you are searching for is ‘.
        ‘ Is not an abbreviation or a word it is a punctuation mark that is missing my dear.
        Now if you are grammar nazi it might make a difference.
        But unless you are some sort of obsessive about such things who the fuck cares…..
        Have a nice day now and dont sweat the small stuff .
        
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        September 18, 2016 11:36am
      - calendar girl
        
        Sorry to have upset you Griff. I thought that you were doing exactly that (i.e. “sweating the small stuff”) with your rather petty retort to starboard. His suggestion to you had been eminently helpful and sensible. Cuts both ways doesn’t it, Griff?
        
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        September 18, 2016 8:17pm
    - Icarus
      
      “But unless you are some sort of obsessive about such things who the fuck cares…..
      Have a nice day now and dont sweat the small stuff ”
      
      LOL 🙂
      
      Epic self awareness fail from poor Griff.
      
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      September 18, 2016 11:38am
      - Griff
        
        Gosh, our ~~Griff~~ kea is obsessed isn’t he. Talk about a stalker. I’m starting to think he has issues and should see a Doctor.
        
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        September 18, 2016 11:40am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh dear, looks like there’s a glitch and the Climabot has had a short circuit. Zzzzzzt
        Instead of cutting and pasting it’s now repeating what we write!
        It could have overloaded after the pasting it got at WUWT.
        Probably needs to be junked and replaced with a new model-maybe one with a personality which knows how to spell.
        
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        September 18, 2016 2:25pm
      - Icarus
        
        Dr AoR, I have found why it keeps referring to “Kea”.
        
        I think it is jealous. 🙂
        
        Griffin
        
        v
        
        Kea
        
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        September 18, 2016 2:28pm
Paulus

Talking again to cus in New York again.
Two points arise- one he is a democrat voter (and rich retired) – His friends do not want Trump in the White house as it could interfere with their tradings and dealings – With Clinton there she has no knowledge of business – except the Clinton Foundations, so they believe she will leave them alone to continue same same money making continuously. (Cus has 3 wives ans ex wives to contend with).

Secondly there is mayhem in the political circles because Clinton has already made overtures to her supporters for appointments. As she and Obama are historically toxic, as Obama took her job, many Obama staff will be UTU’d out rapidly and replaced by her appointees. It is well known that many Obama staff have fallen foul of Clinton over the years and she will see that “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”. Her own staff know this as she has brutally sacked a large number of her staff quite openly.
Wall Street are worried that Trump will not chop heads in the same way. He is too smooth a business man for their liking.
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September 18, 2016 8:26am
- Reid
  
  So any hint he understands the depth of Clinton’s corruption Paulus?
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:52am
  - Paulus
    
    They are all corrupt – business and politicians alike -that’s what makes the USA what the shithole it is.
    
    All that matters is MONEY
    
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    September 18, 2016 11:23am
    - Reid
      
      Yes but does he see that?
      
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      September 18, 2016 11:35am
Happychappy

I see there have been arrests over the stolen Police gear, so it is going to be interesting to hear how Labour,the left and these low lifes are going to defend their actions as it will be a bit hard to say they were homeless, or it was John Keys fault.In my opinion the law needs to come down hard on these criminals because why would you steal body aurmor if you did not have the thoughts of a bigger crime planned
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September 18, 2016 8:30am
- Viking2
  
  What would be more interesting would be an explanation for the lousy security at the police station, apparently not alarmed nor monitored.
  Poetic justice really in the week after Collins sent them all to every burg.
  Well that lasted a week, nothing heard of since.
  
  Perhaps someone should ask the Minister in the house a question. Did the police immediately attend the reported burglary at the police station and what steps have been taken to ensure police stations are safe from burglars?
  
  They are spending millions around the country to keep their customers out of the front office because some might be crims.
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:43am
  - Happychappy
    
    Or like you a crim lover,you sure you have not got a brother named Kelvin
    
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    September 18, 2016 8:59am
    - Viking2
      
      Not sure where you get that opinion from but like anything you rush into print with it bears no semblance to the truth or reality.
      go waste your opinions over at the that other blog with the communists where you will be among friends.
      
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      September 18, 2016 12:20pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Just your general attitude and your continuing whining about National but i suppose when you have a i am attitude and do not give any one else any respect and most of your comments are full of shit,i am allowed that opinion
        
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        September 18, 2016 1:09pm
  - Gabby
    
    They were busy. They’ll send an officer around hevenchwallee.
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:57am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Greetings Birthers and Trumnpists !

“I t is midday and the clock has struck 13 “( Orwell’s allusion opening 1984 to the altered reality of Oceania with Truth turned on its head )

I wonder how our Birthers ( Manolo, Ed Snack , Icarus , Fletch , Harriet etc, etc )are feeling today now that Trump has done a flip flop on Obama’s Birth Certficate and gone against everything he has stood for and claimed .

I wonder also how the poor old wizzened Arizona Sheriff is feeling ?

The only thing that Trump got wrong was that the Clintons started the runour . That is a myth. His next task is to renounce that and of course that silly and stupid claim that the Preident is a Muslim .
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September 18, 2016 8:32am
G152

So the new Aussie coach for the Lions can see faults in the All Black game?
Good luck with that with the current All Black team.
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September 18, 2016 8:32am
Icarus

I wonder why the media don’t mention this, but will bang on about a bloody wall to facilitate immigration laws in a non-violent way ?

Will Trump get a Nobel Peace Prize soon after election ?

Why Is the US Spending $1 Trillion on Nuclear Weapons?

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/04/18/Why-US-Spending-1-Trillion-Nuclear-Weapons
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September 18, 2016 8:55am
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus . 1 Trillion ? Untrue ! That refers to the estimated amount modernising the Nuclear arsenal and infrastructure over a three decade [period
  
  http://nationalinterest.org/feature/5-myths-about-americas-nuclear-weapons-debunked-12136
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:02am
  - Icarus
    
    Thanks for confirming Obama has signed up for a Trillion dollars on nukes. You even gave the details to prove it.
    
    Good to see you waking up to Obama.
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:06am
questions

Just relecting on a post from earlier in the week, isn’t it ironic when you lot bring up “but the Jewish people are indegenous to Israel”, I mean it’s not like you have ever cared about the rights of indegenous people ever before.
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September 18, 2016 8:55am
- starboard
  
  Question, question..whats “indegenous” ?
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard , ” indigenous ” ? Example the Maori as first occupiers and possessors of Aotearoa NZ.
    
    Another exanple the Celts in Britain and of course the Ameican Indians in the Americas .
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:11am
    - starboard
      
      Thanks stiffybot…I would never had guessed that..
      but for your info, and being a guest in my country, maori were not the first peoples to arrive in NZ.
      
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      September 18, 2016 9:19am
      - mikenmild
        
        Fractal wrongness. Epic knowledge fail combined with lack of self awareness.
        
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        September 18, 2016 11:58am
      - starboard
        
        You know deep down maori were not here first mm, why continually deny it, why keep up the facade? You’ll give yourself an ulcer.
        
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        September 18, 2016 12:09pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I only go along with what the archaeologist have demonstrated, starboard. If you want to believe crackpot alternatives, that’s up to you. Just makes you look (more) stupid.
        
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        September 18, 2016 12:15pm
    - marleybob
      
      Funny enough, Maori oral history state they are not the first to be here. So for anyone to say they are indigenous would be telling porkies.
      
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      September 18, 2016 10:39am
      - mikenmild
        
        Maori, like most cultures, have fairy stories. Funnily enough, there are people on blogs who deride the use of oral history when they don’t agree with the story it tells, but are happy to cite it if it seems to back their suppositions. Sauce for the goose and all that.
        
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        September 18, 2016 11:59am
      - MH
        
        some of the oral orators were eaten and the sounds were lost forever. We only have the victors view of their history, and missionaries written translations -to be taken with a grain of salt.
        
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        September 18, 2016 1:58pm
- kowtow
  
  The “irony” is the pro Israel commenters are deploying the left’s own tactic ( legitimacy extending from indigenous status) against the left. But in the case of Israel the left won’t extend that legitimacy to the Jew.
  
  I think the correct term is hypocrisy.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:22am
  - Kimbo
    
    Not if Jews are not “indigenous” to Israel. This very Jewish Jew says, ‘not!’. But then as per the old joke, ‘nine Jews, ten opinions’:
    
    …From a Torah perspective, the notion that we Jews have a claim to Eretz Yisrael based upon “indigenous rights” is absurd. We are not “indigenous” to Israel. Indigenous is a nonsense term which race obsessed multiculturalists use. Israel belongs to the Jewish nation, because G-d gave it to us. We conquered the Canaanites, and now it is ours. Our claim to Eretz Yisrael is Divine inheritance. Indigenous claims amount to pseudo-science, which in turn, would grant indigenous rights to practically every other minority group living in Israel today. In fact, this is the intention of many who advocate for such a concept.
    
    Fellow Jews, leave the indigenous argument in the halls of the U.N. where it belongs. G-d gave us the land of Israel and that is enough.
    
    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/columns/fuchs-focus/263683/2016/03/03/0/?print
    
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    September 18, 2016 11:32am
  - Kimbo
    
    Despite the historic connection, I also don’t think Jews qualify as indigenous to Israel any longer. No matter what other “boxes have to be ticked” (original and long-standing and unbroken connection to the land in question, etc), the term and related concepts surrounding “indigenous” are used in contrast to the nationality, race and cultures of those who undertook European-initiated journeys of discovery some 500 years ago. In most cases those first contacts were eventually followed by conquest and/or colonisation, which especially gathered pace in the 18th and 19th Centuries courtesy of European technical superiority, accelerated by the Industrial Revolution.
    
    The very fact they used the term “discovered” when there were already people there (often described by Europeans with the catch-all phrase “aboriginal”) indicates “indigenous” was originally a Eurocentric idea. Indeed if you read the preamble of the Treaty of Waitangi, the (arguably patronising and paternal) language that governs it reflects the perspective:
    
    HER MAJESTY VICTORIA Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland regarding with Her Royal Favor the Native Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand and anxious to protect their just Rights and Property and to secure to them the enjoyment of Peace and Good Order has deemed it necessary in consequence of the great number of Her Majesty’s Subjects who have already settled in New Zealand and the rapid extension of Emigration both from Europe and Australia which is still in progress to constitute and appoint a functionary properly authorised to treat with the Aborigines of New Zealand for the recognition of Her Majesty’s Sovereign authority over the whole or any part of those islands
    
    So it is hardly surprising that “indigenous rights”, and the left-wing dialectic methods – originated by Marx applying the philosophy of Hegel – are now a useful tool for radical left academics and activists agitating on behalf of those who “tick the boxes” as “oppressed/marginalised/colonised native peoples”.
    
    However, it wasn’t the radical left wing that originally politicised “idigenous rights”. Instead, it was the break-up of Empires after the Great War and the initial acceptance Woodrow Wilson’s 14 points as the basis for negotiating the peace, which also included:
    
    XII. The Turkish portion of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees.
    
    …that highlighted the moral necessity of self-governance for “native” people in general, and Arabs in particular. Indeed, even the Balfour Declaration of the year before, issued by a government with far less anti-colonial enthusiasm than Wilson (!) noted:
    
    His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
    
    The huge influx of Jewish settlers to Turkish and then-British administered Palestine during the 20th Century, especially in the period between 1945-48 is, based on their cultural, and, yes, even ethnic origins – Ashkenaz and Sephardi – makes Zionism more an act of Euro-centric neo-colonialism. The concerns to escape the anti-Semitism of the time – the pogroms, the Holocaust – were European. Zionism is a Middle Eastern solution to what was over-whelmingly in the 19th and first half of the 20th Century a European problem. And the current constitutional democracy of Israel is steeped in and filtered through “Western Civilisation” – both Ancient Greece and the Western European Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment.
    
    The modern state of Israel, courtesy of the fact it is now “there” has a right to exist and defend herself, plus also the responsibility to, as much as possible, live at peace with her neighbours. Admittedly that is an impossibility at present, and, as the original Zionists were warned, will probably never happen. Nonetheless, I don’t think the Jewish people are “indigenous” to Israel any longer. They are European neo-econquerors and colonialists,
    
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    September 18, 2016 12:12pm
    - Scott
      
      Hi Kimbo,
      Just to let you know I will reply to your posting on Genesis 1 by Friday.
      Just busy at the moment with an essay due.
      Cheers
      
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      September 18, 2016 6:02pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Cheers – take your time and go hard with the essay
        
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        September 18, 2016 10:55pm
- Icarus
  
  How do you feel about the indigenous ethnic Slavs and Germanic people currently suffering cultural dilution and marginalisation in their native lands ?
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:25am
Manolo

stephieboy’s mates at the centre of the problem:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/tensions-rising-in-germany/article/2004386

Germany is blowing up again over migration. The Saxon town of Bautzen has, like dozens of similar places across Germany, a barracks for some of the million or two Middle Eastern migrants who have been streaming across the Mediterranean for the past year-and-a-half.

People in Bautzen aren’t used to foreigners, and now groups of young men have taken to congregating in city’s central square, the Kornmarkt. The migrants say they come there for the free internet. This upsets the locals, 80 of whom waged a pitched battle against 20 teenage migrants on Wednesday evening.
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September 18, 2016 8:58am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , how does is feel that Donald Trump has gone against everything that you have stood for and cherished ?
  
  “The Kenyan ”
  
  LOL !
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:07am
  - Icarus
    
    stephieboy, do you agree with Trump that Obama was born in the USA, in spite of the questions Hillary raised when she ran against him for office ?
    
    YES/NO will do thanks
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:12am
    - stephieboy
      
      Icarus , the answer is NO .There is NO evidence that Hillary Clinton started the Birther controversy ,
      
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/16/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/
      
      Yet another Trump porkie !
      
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      September 18, 2016 9:18am
kowtow

PC gone mad.

“Sharon White is black and, given the word’s odious historic associations, it is no surprise the remarks went down badly.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/lynching-remark-lands-devon-farmer-in-hot-water/
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September 18, 2016 8:58am
- Gabby
  
  Sounds like Haddock should lay off the mad cows, the Bashi-Bazouk. Lucky not to be arrested for inciting a terrorist act.
  
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  September 18, 2016 10:08am
  - kowtow
    
    “Lucky not to be arrested for inciting a terrorist act.”
    
    Yep , the state has got frighteningly huge and needs rolling back.
    
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    September 18, 2016 11:00am
Reid

Meanwhile, in the South China Sea where Obongo’s “pivot to Asia” now lies in ruins since the Phillipine President called his mom a whore and now the US only has Thailand left to play its pivot pointman, a Singaporean has a really brainy idea…

The reason for Obama’s visit was to actually sell the pivot once again to Asia in tandem with its “NATO on trade” arm – the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Obama insisted that, “TPP is a core pillar of America’s rebalance to the Asia-Pacific. And the trade and the growth it supports will reinforce America’s security alliances and regional partnerships.”

He added, “failure to move ahead with TPP will not just have economic consequences, but call into question America’s leadership in this vital region…”

…Still, the only discourse emanating from Washington boils down to Pentagon obsession with confrontation in the South China Sea and White House obsession with TPP, the trade arm of the pivot.

Kishore Mahbubani, dean of Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore, has been clever enough to propose a way out. What if Washington accepted a Chinese contribution in terms of high-speed rail technology – as a means to jump-start the US economy from the Pacific to the Atlantic. This China-US partnership in infrastructure would be, according to Mahbubani, a “match made in heaven”.

The American Society of Civil Engineers has projected a $1.44 trillion investment funding gap in the US between 2016 and 2025 – generating a huge drag on business, exports and incomes. China would have the financial and institutional capacity to build that much-needed infrastructure. TPP is a dead end. Perhaps Mahbubani should send his proposal to Donald Trump.

http://thesaker.is/china-ups-the-game-in-the-south-china-sea/
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September 18, 2016 9:05am
- Icarus
  
  Obama lacks the character and intelligence to be statesman like. He simply takes an aggressive stance and loads up with the bling bling of war.
  
  Witness him spending one Trillion dollars on new nukes because he can not cut-it with Russia and China.
  
  He is a bit like those other black despots strutting around with gold plated AK-47’s while their country lays in ruins.
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus , Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…. yawn !
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the UK is realising that Chinese money offers a better future than EU debt.
  https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/15/hinkley-point-chinese-firm-to-submit-essex-nuclear-plant-plans
  
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  September 18, 2016 12:27pm
Reid

Hillary Clinton Campaign Systematically Overcharging Poorest Donors

Wells Fargo fraud department inundated with calls from low-income Clinton supporters reporting repeated unauthorized charges

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by purposefully and repeatedly overcharging them after they make what’s supposed to be a one-time small donation through her official campaign website, multiple sources tell the Observer.

The overcharges are occurring so often that the fraud department at one of the nation’s biggest banks receives up to 100 phone calls a day from Clinton’s small donors asking for refunds for unauthorized charges to their bankcards made by Clinton’s campaign.

he Clinton campaign has been pulling this stunt since Spring of this year. The Hillary for America campaign will overcharge small donors by repeatedly charging small amounts such as $20 to the bankcards of donors who made a one-time donation.

However, the Clinton campaign strategically doesn’t overcharge these donors $100 or more because the bank would then be obligated to investigate the fraud.

“We don’t investigate fraudulent charges unless they are over $100,” the fraud specialist explained. “The Clinton campaign knows this, that’s why we don’t see any charges over the $100 amount, they’ll stop the charges just below $100. We’ll see her campaign overcharge donors by $20, $40 or $60 but never more than $100.” The source, who has worked for Wells Fargo for over 10 years, said that the total amount they refund customers on a daily basis who have been overcharged by Clinton’s campaign “varies” but the bank usually issues refunds that total between $700 and $1,200 per day.

The fraud specialist said that Clinton donors who call in will attempt to resolve the issue with the campaign first but they never get anywhere. “They will call the Clinton campaign to get their refund and the issue never gets resolved. So they call us and we just issue the refund.

The Clinton campaign knows these charges are small potatoes and that we’ll just refund the money back…”

Seriously, who the fuck could possibly be dumb enough to support this scum for POTUS. Who the fuck on the planet is dumb enough not to see who this person really truly actually in fact is?

So, this scum’s campaign does this to its poorest donars, it does it systematically as a matter of policy and it’s calculated at a level not to trigger a fraud investigation. And this is from people who support her. She does this to them.

http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/
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September 18, 2016 9:26am
- mikenmild
  
  Seems to be widespread:
  https://mic.com/articles/150640/donald-trump-donations-how-to-stop-recurring-payments-credit-cards#.r1DOBeaI8
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:33am
Hajji

@ Reid

Serves them right! Dumb lefty scum.

Give me a straight shooting (but coarse!) ‘redneck’ anytime.

And Sweet Home Alabama!
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September 18, 2016 9:36am
Reid

More outputs of the diversity dividend:

A Summer Beach Trip Shows How Badly America Has Declined

http://www.returnofkings.com/96221/a-summer-beach-trip-shows-how-badly-america-has-declined
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September 18, 2016 9:43am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , so obesity is caused by the Obama admnistration ?
  
  Are you envisaging (and hoping ) the obese and Muslims been excluded from beaches under Trump ?
  A more racilly purified white US ?
  
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  September 18, 2016 12:59pm
  - Icarus
    
    Mexicans are one of the most obese people in the world. Keeping these criminal lard arses out is a great idea.
    
    Fortunately Democrats passed immigration laws, to do just that, many many years ago.
    
    Obama used men with guns and attack dogs to do the job. Trump wants to do the same with non-violent means.
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Tell me this isn’t what feminism is coming to…

A woman pays money over to some bloke so she can get married to another chap so that she will then be able to work for the rest of her life.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/84368489/woman-coerced-into-marrying-man-and-paying-10000-in-attempt-to-get-permanent-residency

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September 18, 2016 9:44am
- Reid
  
  This is not uncommon in the Indian community Maggy, it’s all part of the diversity dividend and isn’t it wonderful.
  
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  September 18, 2016 10:04am
  - stephieboy
    
    Maggy W. many immigrants often bring srtange customs and beleifs here but likemost of us ( including hopefully you ) most readily learn to adopt our laws and customs
    
    OK ?
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What are you saying here, stephieboy?
      
      If you are implying that I am an immigrant, think again!
      
      Conceived, born and bred in the slums of W(h)anganui. I am an indigene of this fair country.
      Ko au te awa. Ko te awa ko au.
      
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      September 18, 2016 2:15pm
      - Reid
        
        What are you saying here, stephieboy?
        
        None of us can ever work it out either Maggy.
        
        It’s a riddle inside an enigma wrapped in a mystery.
        
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        September 18, 2016 4:34pm
Yvette

Chuck Bird – The woman was a stupid greedy prostitute. If she had paid for a minder this would not have happened. She took money for extras …
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If you believe Scarlette’s story – and now that might be a little difficult, everyone has lied, including her – she was paid $100 and didn’t in fact get the $50 extra.
Of course if that had been paid fully – just a whip around of everyone there, so about $2.50 each – the whole mess would have not occurred and everyone would have been happy, except perhaps the bus-driver’s partner, if he has one.

But what now of Susan Devoy? – having condemned the rape culture of rugby, will she now write an open letter, with the others, to the bus-drivers’ union.
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September 18, 2016 10:04am
- MH
  
  it’s the 50c that’s so hard to find at that time of night.
  
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  September 18, 2016 11:35am
Keeping Stock

Last week Lizzy Marvelly was writing a scathing column about how bad rugby was with its rape and booze culture.

Last night, she sang the national anthem at an All Black test match, and I doubt she did it for free. To be fair, she sang it well.

But for those who see a pretty clear double standard at play here, let’s have three rousing cheers for Ms Marvelly; hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!

The lure of the filthy lucre wins again…
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September 18, 2016 10:10am
- kowtow
  
  Why was she invited to sing then? This is part of the problem there’s no push back against the cultural marxists , we consistently fail to stand up for ourselves.
  Last night on Prime or 3 , we were treated to a story about Louise Wall applied as a woman to join NZRU board which has no wimmin.Turned down. And then a promise from the NZRU that that will be made good within a year. Quotas. There was an implication that there’s a Maori seat at the board too.All this was presented in the context of the Chiefs debacle.
  PC bullshit.
  
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  September 18, 2016 10:58am
  - Kimbo
    
    There has been a Maori seat on the board since about 1910 – when the then-NZRFU made overtures to bring Maori rugby “into the tent” rather than be lured off to the then-rapid encroachment of Rugby League. Ned Parata and Ralph Love, outstanding administrators by any measure, were among the most prominent holders of the office over the years.
    
    So I’m not sure if pre-Great War rugby administrators would understand your accusation of “PC bullshit”. Indeed New Zealand rugby administration has often been characterised by a conservative, sometimes even reactionary perspective.
    
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    September 18, 2016 12:35pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …and here’s the exact time line of the evolution of the Maori seat (which came into being as long ago as 1952!) on the NZR(F)U board, and the overall recognition of the distinct presence of Maori within New Zealand rugby:
      
      1910 – Ned Parata’s request to the NZRU for a team consisting solely of Māori is accepted. New Zealand Māori play their first game against the Rotorua Sub-union on 21 May. They went on to tour Australia
      
      1922 …The Māori Advisory Board of the NZRU is formed by Ned Parata.
      
      1923 – The first internal Māori regional competition is organised and the teams play for the Te Mori Rosebowl.
      
      1927 – The Prince of Wales presents a cup bearing his name in Dunedin. The Prince of Wales Cup is played for by regional Māori teams for the next 66 years.
      
      1934 – Jack Ruru tragically dies while captain of Te Tai Hauauru. The following year his mother gifts a memorial cup to be played for in conjunction with the Prince of Wales Cup and the Te Mori Rosebowl.
      
      1949 – Following the (1949 NZ Maori tour) tour (of Australia), one spectator was so enamoured with the efforts of coach Tom French, he presented a cup in his honour. The cup is still presented to the best Māori player each year.
      
      1952 – Sir Ralph Love becomes the first appointed Māori representative on the NZRU Board, a position he held for 21 years.
      
      https://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/mo-te-puni-kokiri/kokiri-magazine/kokiri-19-2010/a-history-of-mori-rugby#.V93najXpV9k
      
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      September 18, 2016 1:11pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Yes Impey implied the board had caved in to the pressure, led by the MSM , and were going to appoint a women .More madness.
    I am going to apply for a position on Netball NZ Board.
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:10pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Netball NZ already has two blokes on its board, so your point is, what, exactly?
      
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      September 18, 2016 1:12pm
publicwatchdog

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Hi Kiwibloggers!

I think some of you will enjoy my ‘dogged’ approach to the Auckland Mayoralty 🙂

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Please help stop the mainstream media censorship SHARE and help send around the WORLD!

(Especially Auckland!)

‘Penny Bright for Mayor’!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrVlkMPL_w
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September 18, 2016 10:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Penny, the best comment I’ve read about your mayoral candidacy was the newspaper story last week that said you should be disqualified from standing for Mayor or even voting until you PAY YOUR RATES.
  
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  September 18, 2016 11:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sorry Penny,
  
  I could only do the first 48 seconds, before the cringe factor overcame me.
  So I jumped along the rest of the 14 min track…
  dog vaguely amusing, …
  but seriously.. TLDW (too long didn’t watch)
  
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  September 18, 2016 11:05am
  - Kimbo
    
    …and I thought poor Katie Bradford was afflicted with that lazy nasally Kiwi woman’s “Lyn of Tawa” accent!
    
    “tha mussung mullyan Nu Zild voturs…”
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:53pm
- stigie
  
  Christ, i have never heard so much shite !~
  
  Got through 2 minutes of it and then spewed..?
  
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  September 18, 2016 12:06pm
  - Gabby
    
    You were feeding your young.
    
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    September 18, 2016 12:59pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I don’t even eat tripe, let alone listen to it.
  Pay up or piss off
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:26pm
- thedavincimode
  
  It looked like you were campaigning at the local rubbish dump but incredibly managed to scare the seagulls off.
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:47pm
  - sooty
    
    Penny, your house and yard looks like it needs the concil to step in and call you a hoarder and declare it a health hazard. Then clean it out at your expense off course. Just like on tv. Why would people vote for you. Pay your rates.
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:59pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  Good news and bad news!
  
  First the good news: Micky Savage at The Standard has endorsed you for mayor.
  
  Now the bad news: you only come third on Micky Savage’s endorsement list – after Phil Goff and Chloe Swarbrick.
  
  For Mayor vote Phil Goff. If for any reason you wish not to then Chloe Swarbrick presents a young principled alternative and the ever present Penny Bright is still campaigning the good campaign.
  
  Uh oh – there’s more bad news on that thread:
  
  Ad
  18 September 2016 at 11:59 am
  
  You lost your last three elections, you will lose this election, stand next time, lose the election, and stand the next time. That really is a personal cult of one. Get a job at an anti-corruption NGO somewhere if you’re that keen.
  
  infused
  18 September 2016 at 1:47 pm
  
  lol Penny Bright. You’d have to be a complete idiot to vote for her.
  
  You don’t seem to have many voter friends at The Standard?
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:08pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Penny Bright of the ‘donations and give a little a great idea but please do so privately’ Facebook friends…
  
  Follow the money people, watch where Penny’s interests are and who she protests against! Look at her supporters and their interests! Notice anything??? Open the books Penny!!! Nothing to hide???
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:44pm
Icarus

The sober and measured voice of an actual scientist is worth considering on this important topic 🙂

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Global warming believers are like a hysterical ‘cult’: MIT scientist compares ‘climate alarmists’ to religious fanatics

-Comments were made by professor of meteorology, Richard Lindzen

-‘Instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more fanatical,’ he said

-He says 70% of the Earth is ocean, and measuring its temperature tricky

-He has previously blasted the IPCC for blaming humans for a global warming trend – and then glossing over the warming slowdown

Climate change alarmists have been likened to a fanatical ‘cult’ by an MIT professor of meteorology.

Dr Richard Lindzen told a Massachusetts-based radio station that people who believe in global warming are becoming more hysterical in their arguments.

‘As with any cult, once the mythology of the cult begins falling apart, instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more and more fanatical,’ he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2922553/Global-warming-believers-like-hysterical-cult-MIT-scientist-compares-climate-alarmists-religious-fanatics.html
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September 18, 2016 10:51am
- olebillmole
  
  Bugger…….. now you’ve done it for the day!
  
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  September 18, 2016 11:30am
- Reid
  
  It’s a pretty dumb anything when Al Gore’s the founding father of it but as we can all see, dumb never stopped the warmist fanatics.
  
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  September 18, 2016 11:46am
- Griff
  
  ^^^^
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAeQGItbpds
  
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  September 18, 2016 12:36pm
  - Icarus
    
    “-‘Instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more fanatical,’ he said”^^^^
    
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    September 18, 2016 12:39pm
    - Griff
      
      Yes kea
      Richard lizden .
      Wrong years ago .
      Wrong still today .
      Meantime back here in the real world the cult of global warming is falling apart.(sarc)
      
      The Paris Agreement was opened for signature on 22 April 2016 at a high-level signature ceremony convened by the Secretary General in New York. At that ceremony, 174 States and the European Union signed the agreement and 15 States also deposited their instruments of ratification.
      
      Currently, there are 180 signatories to the Paris Agreement. Of these, 27 States have also deposited their instruments of ratification, acceptance or approval accounting in total for 39.08 % of the total global greenhouse gas emissions.
      
      http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9444.php
      Keep howling at the moon buddy.
      
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      September 18, 2016 12:45pm
      - Icarus
        
        You keep going on about “Keas” in your comments. Is this because the Griffin looks like a hideous distortion of that wonderful bird the Kea ?
        
        Such a disturbingly odd wee fellow aren’t you Griffy ?
        
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        September 18, 2016 12:53pm
      - Icarus
        
        Here’s the problem alright
        
        Griffin
        
        v
        
        Kea
        
        🙂
        
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        September 18, 2016 1:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Climate Misinformer: Richard Lindzen
  
  Richard Lindzen is an American atmospheric physicist and Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
  
  Climate Myth
  “”We’ve already seen almost the equivalent of a doubling of CO2 (in radiative forcing) and that has produced very little warming””
  25 July 2012 (Source)
  
  What the Science Says
  This argument ignores the cooling effect of aerosols and the planet’s thermal inertia.
  “If I’m wrong, we’ll know it in 50 years and can do something.”
  30 April 2012 (Source)
  
  Climate myth,
  
  “If I’m wrong, we’ll know it in 50 years and can do something.”
  30 April 2012 (Source)
  
  What the science says ,
  
  A large amount of warming is delayed, and if we don’t act now we could pass tipping points,
  
  etc, etc
  
  https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Richard_Lindzen.htm
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:48pm
  - Icarus
    
    Why would a professor of meteorology at MIT do that ?
    
    Do I believe you, or a professor of meteorology at a leading university ?
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:52pm
Reid

So US military scum bomb Syrian Army positions and IS attack immediately after. Obviously the US Defence Secretary is attempting to nullify the cease-fire. The link I gave yesterday on the background to the Geneva talks said that Carter was totally against it every step of the way.

And all this leads the offical Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson to say this:

Speaking on Rossiya 24 Television the Rusisan Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova said: “If earlier we had suspicions that the Nusra Front is protected this way, now, after today’s airstrikes on the Syrian army we come to a really terrifying conclusion for the entire world: the White House is defending IS [Islamic State or Daesh).”

And yes, the US military are scum. Not the ones who were following the orders, the ones who issued them.

https://sputniknews.com/news/20160917/1045418962/russia-white-house-daesh-terrorists.html

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160917/1045418270/coalition-airstrike-bombing-syrian-army.html

https://sputniknews.com/news/20160917/1045419350/Russia-emergency-obama-airstrikes-syria.html
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September 18, 2016 11:01am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , this has been well coverted in Western MSM media and we don’t need Kremlin propoganda to tell us of it ,
  
  http://www.dw.com/en/us-led-coalition-bombs-syrian-army-positions/a-19559428
  
  It was also a Major news item on RNZ 8.00 am news this mornng .
  
  There is no evidence that the bombing was deliberate !
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:56pm
Reid

More on Killary’s “integrity…”

Advisor to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign Peter Daou, the lead editor for the liberal media news outlet ShareBlue, previously known as Blue Nation Review, launched a rallying cry on Twitter on Friday for Donald Trump to be interrogated and arrested by the United States Secret Service.

The outlet’s owner David Brock also spearheads the pro-Clinton SuperPAC Correct the Record, the only SuperPAC ever to directly coordinate with a candidate’s campaign which many legal analysts believe openly flouts campaign finance laws and restrictions, which is best known for paying staff to create nonexistent pro-Hillary Twitter accounts and bots to create the false appearance of a vibrant social media support for the former Secretary of State.

The call to arrest and interrogate Trump came in response to statements he made criticizing Hillary’s aversion to the guns and the Second Amendment suggesting that if Clinton believed that guns were unnecessary for protection then why does she surround herself with armed Secret Service officers?

The call to action, which was quickly circulated by a suspicious number of bot accounts, quickly rose to the top of the Twitter trend list at a time when the social media outlet was buzzing about McClatchy News revelations that Hillary Clinton’s right-hand man Sidney Blumenthal originated the “birther” claims that Barack Obama was not born in the United States with the news outlet even dispatching reporters to Kenya in the heart of the 2008 campaign cycle.

Once Daou was able to get the hashtag trending, presumably with the help of his boss David Brock at the Correct the Record SuperPAC, the Clinton camp and mainstream media outlets seized on Trump’s comments saying that he threatened and was alluding to the assassination of Hillary.

“I think her bodyguards should drop all weapons. I think they should disarm – what do you think? Take their guns away, she doesn’t want guns and let’s see what happens to her,” said Trump. This quote taken purely as text disregards the candidate’s playful grin and laughter of the audience which did not seem anywhere near incited to violence, but even taken solely as text it is unfathomable that the Secret Service would actually disarm making it unclear where the purported threat to Clinton is.

https://sputniknews.com/us/20160917/1045417567/trump-guns-hillary-secret-service.html
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September 18, 2016 11:28am
- Icarus
  
  To tell the truth Reid I think Trump is a joke and do not really care about the USA anymore. They lost all credibility as a force for good years ago.
  
  My concern is the impact the next president will have on the wider world. Hillary is a warmonger and is not held to account by the media. Just as Obama’s warmongering is hidden from public scrutiny.
  
  If Hillary gets control of the military the impact will harm the entire world. That is my concern. Trump is a buffoon but is not an interventionist warmonger.
  
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  September 18, 2016 11:51am
  - Reid
    
    To tell the truth Reid I think Trump is a joke
    
    He’s a Ross Perot they’ve wheeled out so the sheeple hallucinate they have a choice.
    
    The only thing he’s got going is he probably won’t start a nuclear war with Russia and/or China.
    
    The US is in decline, empire-wise, but Exceptionalistan doesn’t see it and nor do the silly ole sheeple who are hallucinating it’s 1980 all over again and the commies are back in town. It’d be funny if it weren’t so dangerous but that’s where we are.
    
    The thing about Trump is clearly it’s not an act, the establishment really do hate him, possibly because they can’t control him like they can Killary. And that has to be a good thing in a POTUS.
    
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    September 18, 2016 12:20pm
    - Icarus
      
      What I like about Trump is he focuses on fixing the USA, not the world. He also challenges the msm created story and asks – why ?
      
      Trump has started people thinking again and that has to be good.
      
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      September 18, 2016 12:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , the US is not in decline judging by its highly enviable contributuins to digital and information tecnology not to speak of medical , aviation and engineering etc .
      
      By contrast the Russian economy is weak with a heavy dependecy on low oil and gas prices .
      
      https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/storm-clouds-ahead-putin-lacks-strategy-to-save-russias-economy-54956
      
      and,
      
      http://time.com/3998248/these-5-facts-explain-russias-economic-decline/
      
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      September 18, 2016 2:01pm
- Gabby
  
  The psychopath’s playful grin shows what a hoot he thinks assassination is. What a jolly fellow.
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:06pm
  - Icarus
    
    Look at this poor wee thing all lost and afraid. Here little fella, this is the way home:
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:10pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      That’s actually quite funny
      
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      September 18, 2016 3:58pm
Reid

Further to my previous about the emergency UN Security Council session called by Russia in response to the US bombing of Syrian Army positions and a subsequent IS attack immediately bombing ceased, the Security Council session started about an hour ago. I just listened to the live feed of Churkin (Russia’s UN Envoy) who used about the most undiplomatic langauge I’ve ever heard.

They haven’t issued a tape version yet but they will soon, here:

https://www.rt.com/news/359691-us-strike-syria-unsc-churkin/
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September 18, 2016 12:36pm
- Gabby
  
  It’s just possible they were suckered by their ‘moderate’ rebel chums.
  
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  September 18, 2016 1:11pm
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    No, it’s not. The area they bombed was one of special significance to the Syrian Army because it represented a long-term hold out against IS. It was a very effective bombing, killing around 80 soldiers, and it threatened the integrity of the stronghold.
    
    Now the US has been conducting air ops in Syria for about three years and not once has it ever helped out the Syrian Army. So the world is supposed to believe that just now, two days before D-day (as it’s referred to in the Geneva agreement) takes effect, they decide to do so, but sadly, they miss and hit the wrong side? You think that’s believable?
    
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    September 18, 2016 1:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      There is not a shred of evidence that the US delibrately targeted Assad’s troops and Churkin can use all the undplomatic, colouful and childish language he likes .
      
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      September 18, 2016 3:14pm
      - wikiriwhis business
        
        https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-concluded-usa-defending-isis/
        
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        September 18, 2016 3:27pm
      - Gabby
        
        ‘You can’t prove it’, eh?
        
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        September 18, 2016 4:05pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      Strange when only Russia was invited to help not America
      
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      September 18, 2016 3:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        wiki, it was Dictator Assad who asked Russia for help .
        
        The US is supporting the non Al Nursa and ISIL rebel factions opposed to Assad .
        
        DUH !
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-civil-war-timeline-tracking-five-years-of-conflict-a6929411.html
        
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        September 18, 2016 3:32pm
      - Icarus
        
        stephieboy, why does Obama support the Jihadist groups that have created the humanitarian crisis in Syria ?
        
        How many more must die before he is happy ?
        
        Do you think he does this sort of thing because he is from a violent savage tribal society ?
        
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        September 18, 2016 4:54pm
- Jack5
  
  No worries – John Key is on his way to New York and the UN, and NZ is chairing the Security Council.
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:00pm
Manolo

Did the philanderer offer a bribe?
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/17/ex-haitian-senate-president-says-bill-clinton-once-tried-to-bribe-him/
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September 18, 2016 1:54pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Thought you were talking bout the Auckland philanderer
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  
  this old Red State report about Bernard Sansaricq and his claims of corruption about those in Obama administration and the Clinton receiving bribes is not new ,
  
  http://www.redstate.com/diary/ETCartman/2010/01/16/mr-bernard-sansaricq-candidate-for-us-house-fl23-and-former-president-of-haitian-senate/
  
  Detail the ones that are true ?
  
  And does the ex hatian senate- President have anyway to document the bribe claim e. g telephone transcripts , emails and other communciations ?
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:28pm
Zapper

Massive explosion in New York City.

What’s the first thing that popped into your head?
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September 18, 2016 2:02pm
- Icarus
  
  Obama using his drones to kill “crackers and cops” in support of his BLM friends.
  
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  September 18, 2016 2:09pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Google
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:25pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  On the way to martial law
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:56pm
sam green

Jesus Icarus – is church closed today?
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September 18, 2016 3:07pm
wikiriwhis business

A lot of first responders who were the Fire Fighters have died as well, the ridiculous thing was their government had them go through a screening process with the FBI before their heath insurance would help them because they were first on the scene of 9/11 and were considered ….. potential terrorist. …..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GipH-eZOz-o

How insane the Bush admin was
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September 18, 2016 3:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  This report 13 mins ago indicates there were no deaths ,
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/17/explosion-new-york-chelsea-neighborhood/90605526/
  
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  September 18, 2016 3:36pm
  - sooty
    
    More of your cussys.
    
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    September 18, 2016 4:39pm
Nostradamus

Syria crisis: Besieged kids play on swings made of rockets

In Douma, Eastern Ghouta’s largest town, children sprint towards red-and-black swings made of rockets which government MiG fighters jets once rained on their hometown.
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In Arbin, another rebel town in Eastern Ghouta, kids ran down concrete steps into a dimly-lit, rocky tunnel that lead to their unconventional playground. It is a vibrant and safe area, with its own merry-go-round, a mini ferris wheel that almost grazes the ceiling and booming music.

Coming to an Adventure World near you soon?
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September 18, 2016 3:25pm
wikiriwhis business

General Goes Rogue, Reveals ‘Demoralizing’ Experience He Endured Under Obama

Throughout his presidency, Obama has made his disdain for our military men and women blatantly clear. Whether it’s skipping funerals of high-ranking military officers to play golf, refusing to return a salute, or using our Marines as his his personal umbrella boys, the list of his deliberate insults is quite extensive. But behind closed doors, things were must worse than any of us could’ve ever imagined. A retired officer is speaking out about the deplorable treatment he endured under Obama, now that he is out of the military and free to speak candidly, without fear of retaliation.

U.S. Air Force Gen. Norman Ham was one of the officers on the ground in Benghazi that fateful night, and decided to go rogue and ignore Hillary and Obama’s stand down order to surrender control of the area to Al Qaeda terrorists and leave our men in Benghazi to die. Upon receiving an order he felt was unlawful, General Ham made the unilateral decision on his own to deploy special operations teams to rescue our men, but was immediately arrested by his second in command and relieved of duty. Now that Gen. Ham has retired from the military, he’s coming forward with the demoralizing experience he endured, speaking openly about issues he had serving under Obama as Commander-in-Chief.

General Ham went on to blast Hillary Clinton as a “lifetime politician” who has “has never accomplished a real job in her life,” saying America needs a leader such as Donald Trump with integrity who will provide leadership that our country so desperately needs at this time.

http://www.fury.news/2016/09/general-goes-rogue-reveals-demoralizing-experience-endured-obama/
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September 18, 2016 3:41pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFbVUdxwEk

One more incident and Obama will declare martial law and suspend elections. here it comes people
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September 18, 2016 3:51pm
wikiriwhis business

Kissinger’s shadow and the new world order

The unbroken circle of endless wars

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/29487.html
Real conspiracy
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September 18, 2016 3:55pm
Viking2

Police called to deal with group of naked males running through Shannon

olice have been called to the Horowhenua town of Shannon after a group of naked males were spotted running through the township.

A police spokeswoman said a member of the public had called on Sunday afternoon, saying the group was made up of 10 males.

“It’s coded as a disorder job. It’s unfolding as we speak.”

Police were on their way to investigate, she said.
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September 18, 2016 4:31pm
- wiseowl
  
  Reports of dozens of females heading to Shannon.
  
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  September 18, 2016 4:34pm
- nasska
  
  Obviously the local gay Sauna & Health clubrooms are on fire!
  
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  September 18, 2016 4:41pm
  - MH
    
    the unfolding has got to stop before things get out of hand.
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:06pm
- Reid
  
  How do you get there?
  
  I mean how are you sitting round having a conversation and it ends up with 10 people thinking it’s such a good idea to strip and run through town they’ll actuallly do it.
  
  I mean you’d think someone might have thought as they were slipping into commando mode, hang on, but no, apparently not.
  
  We should call Nigel Latte and get him to do a special program on it.
  
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  September 18, 2016 4:53pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    No need to ask Nigel – the research is already in:
    
    There are now just 91 men for every 100 women in the 25-49 year age group — fewer than there were in 1945 after the world wars demolished our male population.
    
    The “man drought” has inspired a few funny headlines over the years, but it’s been a serious demographic trend in New Zealand since 1983 and is now spawning a new problem. Women are concerned not only about the lack of men, but also about how difficult it can be to find an equal — and they may have a point.
    
    I guess these 10 men were trying to solve the demographic problem.
    
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    September 18, 2016 5:00pm
Nostradamus

~~Police were~~ Starboard is on ~~their~~ his way to investigate, she said

Fixed!

Seriously, though, is this a re-run of the Darren Hughes incident but with 10 naked men instead of one?
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September 18, 2016 4:43pm
sam green

?@nostradamus
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September 18, 2016 4:49pm
Don the Kiwi

Obama is an idiot.
Whether anyone likes Assad or not, even though he is a ruthless dictator, he is nevertheless the legitimate head of government in Syria.
Obama should keep his snout out of Syria – regime change is an immoral and flawed strategy. Look at Iraq, Egypt, Libya,Afghanistan. Wherever this dick head sticks his snout in, there are major international cockups.
Can’t wait for the fool to get out of office.
Trump – as impetuous as he is – is not anywhere near as stupid as the O’bumbler.
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September 18, 2016 4:51pm
- Kimbo
  
  …regime change is an immoral and flawed strategy. Look at Iraq…
  
  Um while I concur with your general rule-of-thumb, you may have the wrong POTUS when it came to the change of regime in Iraq.
  
  Mind you Ronald Reagan intervened successfully in Grenada to protect for democracy the world’s second-largest nutmeg producer. And isn’t Bush I’s drug-trafficking Panamanian bogey-man, General Manuel Noriega still in prison?
  
  Edit – seems not. They reduced his 30 year sentence to 17 for “good behaviour”.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Noriega
  
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  September 18, 2016 4:56pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Not forgetting Chile in 1973 😉 Yeah, I know Allende was elected, but it was a three-way plebiscite and that didn’t give him the mandate to revert the country to Marxism.
    
    Actually I don’t think getting rid of dictators is intrinsically immoral in the first instance. Just pragmatically unwise on most occasions as what you get often get is something even more evil – anarchy, followed eventually by an even worse dictator.
    
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    September 18, 2016 5:09pm
- mikenmild
  
  Just wondering how a ‘ruthless dictator’ can be the ‘legitimate head of government’.
  
  regime change is an immoral and flawed strategy
  
  And presumably you have a long history of denouncing US organised regime changes – Iran, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, etc, etc.
  
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  September 18, 2016 5:01pm
Icarus

A device at a second location in Chelsea appears to be a pressure cooker with dark colored wiring coming out of the top center of the device. The device, mentioned earlier by police, is connected by silver duct tape to a small dark colored device attached to the outside of the pressure cooker, according to multiple local and federal law enforcement officials.

None of the officials would say at this point what was inside the pressure cooker

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/17/us/new-york-explosion/index.html?adkey=bn

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I am guessing fried chicken. Obama’s BLM friends have gone too far after his 100% support of their mass cop killing
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September 18, 2016 5:09pm
sam green

Ohh look – church has released its faithful lambs.
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September 18, 2016 5:28pm
- Icarus
  
  Hilarious as always sam green .
  
  Where do you find all this original material day after day after day … ?
  
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  September 18, 2016 5:33pm
  - sam green
    
    Im a bit taller by the way.
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:10pm
    - Icarus
      
      Typical short arse response. It comes across in your comment style too sam green
      
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      September 18, 2016 6:15pm
- Griff
  
  Dont you mean nursey at the loony bin has left the gate open again sam?
  
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  September 18, 2016 5:45pm
  - Icarus
    
    Such an ugly thing the Griffin
    
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    September 18, 2016 5:48pm
    - nasska
      
      Where as Kea are cute! 🙂
      
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3gythtpymn5e84/Kea%20at%20Plunket.jpg?dl=0
      
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      September 18, 2016 5:53pm
      - Icarus
        
        Griffin
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        He does love his birds our Griff. Odd fellow.
        
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        September 18, 2016 5:55pm
Icarus

Incredibly they are have already started the cover campaign for these violent savages ! Obama has scraped a new low today. Planting bombs all over a city is not terrorism when blacks do it.

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An explosion in New York City’s Chelsea neighborhood Saturday night that injured at least 29 people appears to have been “an intentional act,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said, and a possible second device was removed several blocks away.

The mayor said that although investigators believe it was intentional, there appeared to be no link to terrorism.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/explosion-reported-york-city/story?id=42166654
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September 18, 2016 5:45pm
- Icarus
  
  LOL 🙂
  
  Hillary attacked Trump for calling it a bomb. Even after being told it was a bomb and pictures of a second bomb are all over the www.
  
  The media joined in the circus and will be writing up a story about a “lone wolf” no doubt.
  
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  @HillaryClinton calls NYC explosions “bombings” then joins reporter in slamming @realDonaldTrump for saying “bomb.”
  
  Media slams Trump for calling the New York explosion a bomb even after they KNEW he was right. Incredible.
  
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  September 18, 2016 5:59pm
  - Icarus
    
    This is another box of ammo for Trump. Hillary supporters are sick and evil people.
    
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    HILLARY CLINTON CALLS ATTACK IN CHELSEA BOMBING – THEN MEDIA BASHES TRUMP FOR CALLING IT BOMBING
    
    This is your state run media in the 21st century. It was bad under Obama. It’s getting even worse as they try and cozy up to Hillary Clinton. All of this despite the way Hillary Clinton has threatened the press up until now, not holding press conferences and roping them off.
    
    I don’t care if you like and support Donald Trump or not. This is downright corruption by the media and they continue to get away with it.
    
    http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2016/09/17/hillary-clinton-calls-attack-in-chelsea-bombing-then-media-bashes-trump-for-calling-it-bombing/
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:06pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Maybe Hillary was just saying that her daughter Chelsea was ‘da bomb?’
    
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    September 18, 2016 7:58pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  They are getting closer to Wall St which suggests they are not real terrorists
  
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  September 18, 2016 6:48pm
- cha
  
  Transformer shit itself.
  
  http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Power-outage-Downtown-following-possible-transformer-explosion–393851781.html
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:39pm
sam green

Do you have inside information Icarus? Regarding Obama planting bombs.
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September 18, 2016 6:00pm
- sam green
  
  C’mon. Post something from Breitbart.
  
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  September 18, 2016 6:16pm
  - Icarus
    
    Is it as loony and bias as CNN ?
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:19pm
    - sam green
      
      I don’t know – I only ever read what you post.
      
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      September 18, 2016 6:37pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    Check
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:46pm
wikiriwhis business

NZ PM John Key Walks Out While Facing Questions on #GCSB Bill From Scoop
In today’s post cabinet press conference Prime Minister John Key continued to make the argument that the GCSB’s powers are like some kind of super-charged Norton Antivirus. He refused to answer questions about assertions made by the Justice Minister that the GCSB had helped foil a child abuse ring and declined to say whether there was anything in the bill to protect NZers, businesses or individuals, from being spied on by the 5-Eyes partners and their contractors through data interception which takes place inside the United States under the authority of FISA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZRBv3hD7zA&feature=share
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September 18, 2016 6:06pm
- Reid
  
  Of course NZ is surveilled, by one of the other Five Eyes partners, that’s how they get plausible deniability, plausible only to sheeple naturally.
  
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  September 18, 2016 6:18pm
wikiriwhis business

FEDERAL JUDGE TURNS ON OBAMA W/ BOMBSHELL RULING – White House In PANIC MODE – ELECTION FRAUD PLANS RUINED!

A federal judge gave Barack Hussein Obama some bad news this week when he ruled that states can enact laws to prevent voter fraud by requiring voters to show identification at the polls.

This came after the League of Women Voters and the Obama administration teamed up to try to block voter ID laws in the states of Kansas, Alabama and Georgia. According to Western Journalism, they argued that federal laws do not require ID and therefore these states were putting an extra burden on people who wanted to vote.

Judge Richard J. Leon, however, wasn’t having any of it. He defied Obama by siding with the states in his ruling.

“The organizational plaintiffs and their members will undoubtedly have to expend some additional time and effort to help individuals,” he wrote. “But let’s be candid: doing so pales in comparison to explaining to the average citizen how the [Affordable Care Act] or tax code works!”

Leon added that the laws did not create “real and irreparable harm.”

The states have been fighting to put in place voter ID measures as a way to combat fraud.

“This is a very real problem and the only way to solve the problem is to require proof of citizenship on the front end,” said Kansas’ Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach.

However, Obama and his minions are still claiming that requiring ID is a barrier to voting and plan to appeal the ruling.

“While we are disappointed in today’s decision, we will appeal to protect the critical rights of voters in these three states, especially during this election year,” said Chris Carson, president of the League of Women Voters.

http://viralliberty.com/breaking-federal-judge-turns-obama-w-bombshell-rulling-white-house-panic-mode/
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September 18, 2016 6:16pm
- mikenmild
  
  Not really a bombshell, wiki. And a federal judge’s ruling is not commonly reckoned to be ‘defiance’ of the president.
  In the real world, a number of federal courts have already overturned bogus voter ID laws in several states.
  
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  September 18, 2016 6:27pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    We have to fill out a voting enrollment then once again on voting day we have to repeat our details. and voting ID is too much to ask for ?
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:45pm
Griff

This is a very real problem and the only way to solve the problem is to require proof of citizenship on the front end,” said Kansas’ Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach.

yeah people keep voting for someone other than Rethuglicans.
Voter fraud in the USA is so small as to be nonexistent
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September 18, 2016 6:30pm
- Icarus
  
  It was your Democrat mates who fabricated the fraud story when Bush won. They went into a total meltdown 🙂
  
  http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html
  
  Keep up the fail Griffy. Every bit helps Mr Trump to victory.
  
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  September 18, 2016 6:33pm
stigie

Seems to be the in thing and fashonable in Hollywood these days, big arses. Not my cup of tea at all but whatever spins ya wheels

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201615/rs_634x1024-160205173139-634.rob-kardashian-blac-chyna-beach-138-water.jpg
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September 18, 2016 6:41pm
- Icarus
  
  Wacist ! That is considered very attractive in Obama’s homeland.
  
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  September 18, 2016 6:42pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    How do you know where Obama’s homeland is ?
    
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    September 18, 2016 6:44pm
    - Icarus
      
      His family is in Kenya.
      
      http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/23/africa/gallery/obama-kenya-family-visit/
      
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      September 18, 2016 6:49pm
wikiriwhis business

Watch: Trump Makes Entrance to ‘Do You Hear the People Sing?’ with ‘Les Deplorablés’ Banner

Friday at his rally in Miami, FL, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump made his entrance to “Do You Hear the People Sing?” from the Broadway play Les Miserables to the backdrop of a “Les Deplorablés” banner.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/09/16/watch-trump-makes-entrance-hear-people-sing-les-deplorables-banner/

As requested ~ Breibart
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September 18, 2016 6:43pm
Jack5

Leftist posters on Kiwiblog from time to time cite Noam Chomsky for his views.

These are Chomsky’s Lefty political views. However, the linguistic theory views on which Chomsky built his intellectual reputation are now also coming under fire.

Looks like Chomsky will join other fallen idols of the Left.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-rebuts-chomsky-s-theory-of-language-learning/
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September 18, 2016 6:49pm
- Icarus
  
  Noam is scathing of Obama.
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:02pm
- sam green
  
  “Looks like Chomsky will join other fallen idols of the Left.”
  
  Like Elvis?
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    Elvis a Lefty? Hardly. He might have been a mate of President Jimmy Carter, but he didn’t like hippies and asked Nixon to ban the Beatles from entering America.
    
    http://hollowverse.com/elvis-presley/
    
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    September 18, 2016 11:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This old fraud should have been decommissioned decades ago.
  
  Remember all the psychobabble he wrote about Khmer refugees who couldn’t possibly have witnessed atrocities, but were just telling tales because they were frightened.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman
  
  His universal grammar theory shifts ground every time someone shows up its inherent flaws. He just redefines anew what he thinks his theory is.
  He is a lousy cognitive scientist; just a clever linguistic gymnast.
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    Tom Wolfe has a crack at Chomsky (the link is via Arts and Letters Daily):
    
    http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Chomsky-Puzzle-Piecing/237558
    
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    September 18, 2016 11:45pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Jack5
      
      Tx – A good intro.
      It might save some poor souls from wasting their time reading Chomsky’s ridiculous
      (The article is by Tom Bartlett)
      
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      September 19, 2016 12:44am
wikiriwhis business

Hillary Clinton’s Number 1 Donor Just Admitted to Funding Al Qaeda!

Let me just say that I HATE Hillary Clinton. In fact, I’d go as far as saying that there is only ONE thing I hate more than Hillary, and that is her Number 1 Donor who just admitted to Funding Islamic Terror.

You guessed it, the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia just came out publicly and admitted to paying hundreds of millions of dollars to terrorist organizations and then LYING about it to the US.

http://www.libertywritersnews.com/2016/09/holy-hit-hillary-clintons-1-donor-just-admitted-funding-al-qaeda/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
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September 18, 2016 7:04pm
- Icarus
  
  All decent people hate Hillary.
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:14pm
  - nasska
    
    Hillary Clinton does not, contrary to the accusations of many of her critics, lie every single day. Some days she’s asleep.
    
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    September 18, 2016 7:18pm
    - sooty
      
      Yeah, but not straight!
      
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      September 18, 2016 8:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Truly, wikiriwhi’s business, have you just come across the relationship between the Saudis and the Clintons?
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:22pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    Seems so. According to the article
    
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    September 18, 2016 8:14pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  I never got 7 likes before. That must be a very good link. (actually I never got so many likes in one day!)
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:18pm
sam green

There ya go Wikiriwhi – you and Chomsky are decent people. Courtesy of Icarus. (Chomsky’s also pretty scathing of Hillary too).
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September 18, 2016 7:18pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Chomsky’s also pretty scathing of Hillary too”….
  
  I bet he gets a shitload of downticks. 🙂
  
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  September 18, 2016 7:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another lone wolf on a stabbing spree?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/18/us/minnesota-mall-stabbing/index.html
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September 18, 2016 7:47pm
- Jack5
  
  Off duty policeman shot him dead. If the Islamic terrorists hit NZ we will wish all our police routinely carried pistols and took them home with them, too.
  
  About this lone wolf, the same old story will be put around: mentally deranged, disturbed childhood in wartime Middle East, hasn’t been going to the mosque for some time, family and friends have been worried about him. Bullshit.
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:44pm
wikiriwhis business

America’s Largest Police Union Endorses Donald Trump

The 330,000-member union joins border patrol agents and the New England Police Benevolent Association in supporting the candidate

https://www.buzzfeed.com/coralewis/americas-largest-police-union-endorses-donald-trump?utm_term=.olkw6oQz#.vhjZNYo7
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September 18, 2016 8:14pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Repub
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:19pm
sam green

Either prospect is frightening.
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September 18, 2016 8:24pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Sam:
  
  Are you weighing up “this prospect” and “that prospect” and deciding which glory hole looks least frightening?
  
  Who are these prospects? (if you don’t mind me asking) 🙂
  
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  September 18, 2016 8:41pm
sam green

Clinton or Trump. Neither of them are glory holes.
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September 18, 2016 8:47pm
- Icarus
  
  You would know about them .
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:10pm
  - sam green
    
    How’s ya lesbian wife Icarus?
    
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    September 18, 2016 9:12pm
    - Icarus
      
      Well behaved and cooking eggs.
      
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      September 18, 2016 9:16pm
nasska

I admit to being a paid up member of the “anyone but Hillary” camp but it’s hard not to admire a good wind up of Trump.

Such as Seth McFarlane’s quip:

…..”This guy has an ego. When Trump bangs a supermodel, he closes his eyes and imagines he’s jerking off.”……
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September 18, 2016 9:12pm
- Icarus
  
  Filthy Mexican ^^^
  
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  September 18, 2016 9:17pm
sam green

Haha nasska. ??
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September 18, 2016 9:18pm
Jack5

Australian planes involved in bombing of Syrian Government troops: Australia offers condolences to the Syrians’ families.

Before we get into Aussie bashing, let’s remember the NZ artillery shelling Australian infantry in Vietnam.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/raaf-involved-in-accidental-strikes-on-syrian-troops-that-were-meant-for-islamic-state-terrorists-20160918-griygs.html
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September 18, 2016 10:37pm
Manolo

Allahu akbar! The devout followers of Islam are alive and kicking:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/stabbing-attack-minnesota-mall-leaves-least-eight-injured-045402647.html
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