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Hajji

Let the endless battle against the commie wannabe tyrants in our midst – both the domestic traitors in NZ and the invasive scum in far of lands (ie United Nations) continue this fine Saturday!
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September 17, 2016 8:08am
- Icarus
  
  The trouble is most of the country will be waking up and reading the manifesto via mass media, not KB.
  
  They did not get that stupid and evil by accident.
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:22am
  - EAD
    
    The trouble is most of the country will be waking up and reading the manifesto via mass media, not KB.
    
    Ahh yes, good ol (((mass media)))
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:08pm
- Scott Chris
  
  domestic traitors in NZ and the invasive scum in far of lands
  
  The English language, like its German counterpart is notoriously irregular and difficult to learn for newcomers like you Hajji so I won’t lecture you in the subtle difference between of and off. 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:52am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Fat fingers and spellcheck are a curse to a keyboard activist made worse by phones with small key pads and those too vain to wear their glasses as their eyesight detoriates
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:01am
  - Hajji
    
    Merely a typo, wanker boy.
    
    Happens to the best of us, old chap.
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:10am
  - ross411
    
    Nicely put. I didn’t notice when I read it, but enjoy a reminder to get my own grammer good.
    
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    September 17, 2016 10:22am
duggledog

‘Nikolas was in the first two months of his Uni study away from home, in Dunedin’

There are two types of male uni students – those that take their dirty laundry home and those that do not. Delegat would be the former.

Yeah you could always spot them – finally emancipated from their lives of overweening structure and privilege they go completely ape shit from Day One, because it’s the first time in their lives they’ve been off the leash. Socially, emotionally retarded brats.

‘He made a bad decision in the heat of the moment which caused considerable harm to those affected which he regrets’

Whatever. Delegat’s conviction is a bump in the road. Those of you who believe his future is uncertain need to hear only two words, and one of them is Tony.
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September 17, 2016 8:09am
Stars And Stripes

South Sudan refugees reach one million mark
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-

No doubt soon another crisis will be declared and NZ will come under pressure from abroad and from within for another special intake of refugees.
Another great example of the result of granting independence to unmitigated savages who only know killing and warfare.
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September 17, 2016 8:10am
- Icarus
  
  ” unmitigated savages who only know killing and warfare.”
  
  That is no way to talk about Obama.
  
  https://www.stpete4peace.org/obama-fact-sheet
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  South Sudan? They’re black ,and despite the lies the media keep pushing , black lives don’t matter. The Congo is proof of that.
  
  “However, due to the location of this huge conflict and (perhaps) the identity of the victims, the war was under-reported and almost unknown by those who were not directly affected by it.
  
  Between 1998 and 2003, an extremely complex and chaotic civil war engulfed the Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) — a vast, thickly-jungled nation in Central Africa the size of Western Europe — and spilled over into neighboring countries, including Rwanda, Angola, Burundi, Zimbabwe and Uganda.
  
  While the estimated 5-million death toll from this war pales in comparison to the 15-million lives lost during World War I, and the 60-million who perished in the Second World War — the DR Congo inferno was nonetheless was one of the ten deadliest wars in recorded history.”
  
  http://www.ibtimes.com/congo-world-war-nobody-knows-about-213207
  
  If you were rating victims of that war it would be gorillas ……judging from media coverage.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:47am
  - Icarus
    
    Amid tough competition from neighboring black African countries, the Sudan is currently the biggest shithole on the planet.
    
    Rape and Cannibalism Cited Among South Sudan’s Horrors
    
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/world/africa/south-sudan-war-african-union-report.html?_r=0
    
    The scary thing is we allow these beasts to come here.
    
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    September 17, 2016 10:54am
Icarus

Muslim Jewish Atheists are working to bring communism to us all through their emissary David Bain and the Global Warming hoax, assisted by the Chemtrail and Fluoride mass drug programmes.
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September 17, 2016 8:11am
- Scott Chris
  
  Top marks Kea for most trollery packed into one sentence this week. Keep up the ~~good~~ work.
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:57am
  - Icarus
    
    Thanks sulphur crested cockatoo.
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:01am
All_on_Red

Trump trolls the media
‘WASHINGTON — The media showed up to the presidential ballroom of the new Trump International Hotel on Friday morning expecting Donald Trump to take questions about whether he still questions President Obama’s birthplace.
Instead, they got more than a half hour of a variety of military heroes — generals, medal of honor recipients and a gold star wife — expressing support for the Republican nominee. And it all aired live on the cable news networks.
Trump’s campaign released a statement saying: “Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.”

He plays on their desire to catch him out and just uses them. 20 minutes of free time- how much is that worth?
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/media-outraged-after-trump-tricks-them-to-cover-endorsements-from-military-heroes/#ixzz4KS445GZK
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September 17, 2016 8:13am
- deadrightkev
  
  Clinton started the birth certificate thing in 2008.
  
  In keeping with her spectacular hypocrisy and incompetence in 2016 she is saying Trump does not believe Obama was born in the USA.
  
  I don’t care Hillary but I do know Obama is not “American” and you are in no way competent.
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    The Clintons may of but Repblicans ,The Tea Party ( Wonder whats become of them ? ) and Sheriff Arpaio seized on and fanatically and zealously perpetuated the lie.
    
    Two wrongs don’t make a right ! But I suppose today anything goes among todays rabid rightoids .
    
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    September 17, 2016 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Wasn’t it his own literary agents who got the whole thing going, making him out to be so exotic.
    
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    September 17, 2016 8:45am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow, the truth hurts ?
      
      And I forgot Trump also actively promoted the lie it until possibly today !
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:54am
    - Icarus
      
      Kowtow, correct. Obama ran on a race card and made no secret of it. Nor did his supporters and media activists.
      
      The fact he was “exotic” was the single biggest factor in his first election.
      
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      September 17, 2016 9:11am
  - Fletch
    
    They did, and Tweets today by James Asher, the former Washington, D.C. bureau chief, confirm it.
    
    @HillaryClinton So why did your man #sidblumenthal spread the #obama birther rumor to me in 2008, asking us to investigate? Remember?
    
    He also tweeted that Blumenthal had personally shopped the Birther story to him — in person — in 2008:
    
    #CNN says #Hillary team in 2008 never raised #birther issue. #SidBlumenthal, long-time #HRC buddy, told me in person #Obama born in #kenya
    
    — James Asher (@jimasher) September 16, 2016
    
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-adviser-sid-blumenthal-spread-birther-story-editor/
    
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    September 17, 2016 11:02am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red ,
  Interesting charade and farce with those Military heroes honouring him .
  
  I wonder if they queried his draft dodging “heroism “?
  
  http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-draft-deferments/
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Why don’t you go and ask them Creepyboy? Let’s see how brave you are questioning their integrity face to face.
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:18am
B.L.Zeebub

Jeepers ,a bit of a red letter day at the `erald this morn.
They have finally decided they`ve milked the Chiefs stripper “scandal” for all it is worth and put it to bed and released the ~~new details~~ facts.
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September 17, 2016 8:15am
DifferentPerspective

Beat me to it All_on_Red – still it’s so good….

This is why the MSM is against Trump

Step 1 – the Hillary camp (desperate to get the attention of the fact that Hillary can’t stand on her own two feet anymore) start rolling out that Trump is a birther . (Okay so it was a pretty retarded play given that it was Hillary’s team in 2007 who did the groundwork on it when she was trying to topple Obama’s election campaign)

Step 2 – Word gets out to the cable news networks from the Trump campaign that Trump is going to address the ‘birther’ issue at his veteran’s rally.

Step 3 – CNN et al cut to Trump’s rally and show 20 minutes of Medal of Honor recipients explaining why Trump should be Pres .

Step 4 – Trump comes out and says “Obama was born in the USA, now let’s get on with making America Great Again”

Step 5 – (I’m only putting this in for stephie and milky – who are too obtuse to acknowledge the brilliance of this move) Trump gets a 20 minute prime time campaign ad totally free courtesy of his enemies in the MSM AND he gets it BECAUSE of the unrepentant dishonest MSM bias against him. (Lol “No matter what we tell the voters, the polls just won’t move”)

And also for milky and stephie – bummer! The polls now say he’s on track to win in the battleground states. Newsflash – only a four year old thinks elections are won because “It’s her turn”!
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September 17, 2016 8:15am
Icarus

I finally found something Obama did before he suddenly appeared.

Obama and The Bell Curve

October 2014 marks the 20th anniversary of the publication of the most hated book in the history of the social sciences, the 845-page The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life by Charles Murray and the late Richard J. Herrnstein.

One of the less vituperative denunciations by the many reviewers who likely hadn’t actually read the book was by “civil rights lawyer, Barack Obama.” The future president intoned on NPR in 1994:

http://takimag.com/article/obama_and_emthe_bell_curve_em_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4KS7pChIC
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September 17, 2016 8:26am
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus t, he Bell Curve is a myth and lie funded by a far right ” think ” tank. Towards the end of the book Murry and Hernstein explain the modus operandi for the book and that was to deny disadvantage blacks and other communities any kind of assiatance or ” “affirmative “action . In fact a rationale and justification for returning to discrimination and segregation laws . Simply put they did not have the IQs to justify them,
  
  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:48am
  - Icarus
    
    It is solid science and numerous independent studies support the findings.
    
    Average IQ can be predicted by race, regardless of environment.
    
    Its no more in dispute than Gravity is. It has nothing at all to do with discrimination.
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      Icarus carefully read my link .
      
      “Average IQ can be predicted by race, regardless of environment.”
      
      Refuted here ,
      
      The Myth of the Bell Curve
      
      http://crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/normalcurve.htm
      
      I repeat the Bell Curve is a rationaislation to justify inequality !
      
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      September 17, 2016 10:00am
      - Icarus
        
        People are not equal. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. If you claim we are all equal… as you appear to imply… then there can be no “inequality”.
        
        See how stupid PC makes you ?
        
        I do not think people should be mistreated, but that does not make them equal in every way.
        
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        September 17, 2016 11:07am
    - sam green
      
      IQ is a construct – Gravity is a force.
      
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      September 17, 2016 4:27pm
      - Icarus
        
        Equality is another construct. Do you have a point ?
        
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        September 17, 2016 4:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X and the rest of the PC mob hijack a term, from maths, the bell curve, the graphical shape of normal (or Gaussian) distribution.
    
    Stephie, why don’t you distinguish “Bell Curve” as a loaded sociology or political term from “bell curve” as a description for a common, bell-like shape in a graph of probability distribution.
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:57pm
Icarus

Hillary Clinton’s disastrous Labor Day raises the question: If Donald Trump were as bad as she says, shouldn’t Hillary drop out so a better candidate could beat him?

But first… Why is Trump outsmarting Hillary? And what’s this “alt-right” she’s denouncing?

Hillary has been doing almost nothing but politics for over 40 years, while Trump has had a lot of other fun stuff to think about. Shouldn’t she be dominating him on the issues? How is this a close race?

http://takimag.com/article/political_punk_rock_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4KS8N1baL
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September 17, 2016 8:30am
- Fletch
  
  Because Hillary is corrupt, for one, and doesn’t have anything to offer, for the other. She’s only in the race for herself and for the cash and many people know it.
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:31pm
dave_c_

So ! Whats this outrage regarding illegal dumping of fish.
The authorities have video proof of such dumping, yet chose not to charge the fishing operator.
Smells of corruption to me !
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September 17, 2016 8:33am
- G152
  
  Not corruption.
  It all has to do with the monitoring cameras.
  And the crews allowing it.
  I’m sure a quick letter to the Useless Nations will find a few hundred laws broken by the presence of monitoring cameras and we don’t want to piss the UN off do we.
  And those tear jerking photos of a Dolphin in a net..
  Real tear jerker but no actual evidence that it was anything to do with modern fishing methods or when.
  Remember greens lie and green peace more so
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:10am
  - marleybob
    
    Someone needs to go to spec savers.
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/email-shows-mpi-feared-prosecuting-fish-dumpers-2016091619
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:50am
  - marleybob
    
    And this.
    http://mpi.govt.nz/protection-and-response/environment-and-natural-resources/sustainable-fisheries/independent-review-of-prosecution-decisions/
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:56am
Happychappy

So Andrew Little has again show that he lacks skills to lead this country by his inability to even take a decent selfie.
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September 17, 2016 8:33am
wiseowl

To all of yoous voting today, remember to feel for those elected to office who have to sit next to unelected people who are paid by ratepayers .
I look forward to some mass walkouts in protest at this anti democratic situation courtesy of you know who.
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September 17, 2016 8:34am
Southern Raider

What’s a complete load of taxpayer funded drivel last nigh called “What’s Up with Our Education System” or something like that. The journalist was an ex teacher and as soon as he said that I knew what the slant was going to be. Of course he dropped in several times “individualism”, “neoliberalism”, “consumerism” and “giving parents choice” which he considered all to be evil. He praised the quality of NZ teachers and rallied against lack of Govt engagement with teacher unions for last 30 years.

We also paid for him to travel to Finland to learn how well their centralised control model works without mentioning they pay over 50% tax. Also went to China about how great their achievement and centralised model is without of course raising kids spend all their time at school or after school programmes so have no life and of course it’s centralised as its a communist country.

He then went to a charter school in NY where the guy who started said they needed to be pre scriptive as most of the kids came to them unable to read or write, but the presenter disagreed with him stating kids just needed an innovative environment.

He then rallied against school measurement systems like exams saying it should be left to teacher evaluation of students and that focusing kids on passing exams didn’t prepare them for work life. I commented to my wife that it was strange that the kids in my classes at school who got good grades are now doctors, architects, lawyers, senior managers etc and the ones that didn’t work in retail.
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September 17, 2016 8:51am
- ross411
  
  I went to China once, and there were kids who weren’t in after school programmes shortly after school let out. They were on the side of the road in front of their parents shop at a small desk doing homework with the parent.
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:57am
Stars And Stripes

20 people, including two newborns, in one home
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201816517/20-people-including-two-newborns-in-one-home
“Two mums with newborn babies, sharing a four-bedroom house with 16 others – that was the situation for these two sisters who came to NZ in 2012 from Tonga under the Pacific Quota Ballot System”.

What a great reason to abolish this quota, people are bought here with no money or skills and just end up pregnant and bitching to the media that they need assistance and life is too hard.
Go home if you don’t like it girls as you have zero to offer this country anyway besides being a drain on everyone.
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September 17, 2016 8:53am
- kowtow
  
  It’s called cultural enrichment, the diversity dividend. Embrace and celebrate it……..while your taxes get wasted on them.
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:01am
Southern Raider

I watched a Nigel Latta programme on our housing issues and one of the couples had arrived from Rarotonga a year ago, lived in a tiny crap flat and paid 70% of their low wages on rent.

Why are they here and why does NZ need more unskilled workers? All the manual jobs are going so why does immigration keep on letting them in
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September 17, 2016 9:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Because Cook Islanders have NZ citizenship. They have the right to live here in NZ and have been able to do so since 1901.
  http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/cook-islanders/page-1
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:11am
  - Icarus
    
    The “right” eh.
    
    Okay time to change the law. PI’s should have the exact same immigration hurdles faced by Germans when coming here.
    
    Lets see how that goes for them…
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:12am
  - olebillmole
    
    why do you think that we have required a passport to go to Oz since 1981?
    
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    September 17, 2016 10:40am
  - RF
    
    It’s not right. They arrive and go straight on the dole, breed, pop out numerous babies and add to our housing problems by crying poverty.
    
    Someone has to have the guts to make a brave decision.
    
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    September 17, 2016 8:33pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  They looked like mother and son, it seemed really wierd; they did manage to have a child here at their adopted country’s expense to increase the multicultural diversity dividend just that bit more.
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:14am
  - mikenmild
    
    But it’s not their ‘adopted’ country. As Maggy pointed out, the Cook Islands are part of New Zealand, a legacy of our mini-empire in the south Pacific.
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:23am
- ross411
  
  Nobody made you watch a Nigel Latta programme, why do we have to suffer hearing about his poorly made garbage and also have to live with the consequences of your choices?
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:21pm
All_on_Red

Speaking of the Alt right, check out this masterclass from Milo Yiannopoulos as he runs rings round anchors from CNBC .
The leader of the supposed ‘racist homophobic’ Alt Right is ‘a gay Jew who won’t shut up about his black boyfriends’! Lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgl53EXInPc
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September 17, 2016 9:05am
- Icarus
  
  Milo is a Catholic,not a Jew, but I love his stuff.
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Gasp, a Catholic? Burn him!
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:11am
    - Icarus
      
      That is currently frowned upon though I agree it is well worth revisiting.
      
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      September 17, 2016 9:14am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red ,
  
  “..Yiannopoulos has a deep and abiding need to be smarter than his rubes audience; so he steadily chased downwards to find a demographic befitting his intellect, finally landing on the Gamergate manufactroversy, the racist alt-right movement and the populist, anti-intellectual Breitbart.com “news” website. Given Yiannopoulos’s history of professional failure and general ignorance of technology and gaming culture[6] (along with Breitbart.com’s own sterling reputation for ethical journalism[7][8]), he was clearly the right man to head Breitbart.com’s technology and gaming culture section. Surely, journalism of only the highest intellectual caliber and ethical standards will come of such a pairing.
  
  His greatest journalistic assets are probably his British accent and use of humour rather than humor, which his audience confuses with intelligence..
  
  ..Yiannopoulos’s journalistic ethics are what you’d expect from his publisher ethics. He is nearly unmatched in recklessness and his “sources” primarily consist of Twitter trolls and anonymously posted content from the Internet’s sewer (and that sewer’s runoff). He published an article pertaining to Gamergate (which, he openly admits, is culled from 8chan and /r/KotakuInAction[21]) that took seven edits by Breitbart’s editorial and legal staff before it could be posted. Yiannopoulos further established a relationship with Joshua Goldberg, a Gamergater and white-nationalist troll (funny how often that combination seems to occur) who, in turn, fed Yiannopoulos the original claim that Shaun King was white.[22] After Goldberg was arrested on domestic terrorism charges, Yiannopoulos furiously attempted to scrub all evidence of his links to Goldberg,[23] then pretended to have no knowledge of him when called on it,[24] to the point of claiming that the FBI’s arrest of Goldberg that day was part of a conspiracy to smear him, as payback for his releasing another hitpiece on a Gamergate victimtarget a few hours prior.[25] In actuality, Goldberg was arrested and charged several days before Yiannopoulos posted his article.
  Yiannopoulos does not in fact write most of the words under his byline, said words being the output of forty-four interns, paid and unpaid (“A lot of these guys are young 4chan guys”), researching and drafting for him. He reassures us that “ghostwriting is too great a word” and that this practice is “completely standard.” So that’s all right, then….”
  
  And he rather oddly he refers to Trump as “ Daddy “
  
  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:40am
  - Icarus
    
    He is a conservative supporter of traditional family and a Catholic. He considers being gay is largely a choice and advises against it.
    
    He is also flamboyantly gay and likes black men.
    
    Thereby exposing the hypocrisy of the new left. So you people do all you can to shut him down and deny him freedom of expression.
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:55am
- ross411
  
  Great link. I don’t think he ran rings around them, I thought they wanted him there to do what he did because he does it so well and it makes great compelling viewing. Something that can’t be said about a lot of news.
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:07pm
Happychappy

John Roughan on Penny Bright in column in Herald
“Until she pays her rates she should not be able to vote,let alone stand for election”
Finally we have someone from the Media showing some balls and putting their view in print
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September 17, 2016 9:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Thing is, I am usually not that interested in their views, unless it is an opinion piece, and usually not even then, author dependent.
  
  Who the f is Lizzie Marvell and what she has to say is important why?
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:19am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Lizzie Marvelly is the new oracle, she is an expert on everything and knows everything. Kind of like a paler version of Stan Walker and not quite as fluent in bro speak. Between her and that hideous Wendyl Nissens raving about the Hokianga you have to wonder they even bother publishing at all.
    
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    September 17, 2016 10:09am
wiseowl

But,but,but Happy. We have someone who has the balls to stand up to a council that is out of control.
She has had the balls to make a stand and it has certainly drawn attention to some issues that maybe should be taken more seriously.
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September 17, 2016 9:18am
- Zed
  
  this may be true but couldn’t she have done the same and paid her tax?
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:30am
- Happychappy
  
  Sorry you had to stutter with your answer and your values but all activists like her do is stop good abiding citizens from having upgrades in their communities and all she is capable of is zero apart from bludging.
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:36am
- calendar girl
  
  She’s breaking the law. But that’s OK because she’s “making a stand”?
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:17pm
  - sooty
    
    She should be standing in the corner looking out thru bars.
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:37pm
trout

A win for the environment. The Waikato Regional Council voted last week (on the casting vote of the chairman) to implement a plan to clean up the Waikato rivers. The votes against were from the farmer reps whinging about loss of profit and equity.
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September 17, 2016 9:23am
Captain Mainwaring

Sir Geoffrey ‘Moses’ Palmer hasn’t finished destroying this country yet.
He’s all over the DimPost this morning, going on about getting rid of the Monarchy and having a written constitution which includes the Treaty of Waitangi. He also wants to give judges the power to ‘strike down laws that are unconstitutional’.
As he flagellates away in his office at Victoria University we have to wonder who keeps giving oxygen to this deluded old fool.
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September 17, 2016 9:26am
- RF
  
  At times around 84 / 85 when l lived another life I was in close contact with Palmer. He was a nasty vicious piece of work who had double standards.
  
  I would not trust this person.
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:51am
  - sooty
    
    Hes still wet behind the ears.
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:39pm
  - Paulus
    
    I was close by in Wellington CBD in the 70s and 80s – yes, he does have double standards !
    I agree with RF I would not trust him one iota.
    
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    September 17, 2016 2:08pm
- Kabull
  
  And I found it somewhat hypercritical that he wants to change the system to prevent individuals gaining too much power, like Muldoon or Douglas. Yet he (Palmer) single-handedly drove us into the dreadful state we are in. His biography is an enlightening read …
  Heaven forbid that he manages to make any progress with his new crusade.
  
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  September 17, 2016 3:05pm
stephieboy

“Dinesh D’Souza Crying For Help Again”

Tweets Trump admires Putin because unlike Obama does not love and fights for his country .

The response tweet ,

If Obama really loved his country the way Putin does , you’d have been dead for 7 years now

Read more at http://wonkette.com/606631/dinesh-dsouza-crying-for-help-again#0eUITWJeQkeEe0r2.99

LOL !
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September 17, 2016 9:26am
All_on_Red

Morning Maggy
Loved your exposé last night of our resident Climate Nutter Griff posting on Watts Up With That.
Im still chuckling over the pasting he got in the comments.
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September 17, 2016 9:29am
- Icarus
  
  Yes I think more work needs to be done in that space 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:33am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Indeed, here’s a sample.
    ‘Griff,
    That’s called a straw-man argument. Look it up. The fact that you would stoop to such tactics means that you have no cogent arguments. This is why you are mostly ignored here.’
    
    ‘Anyone ever notice how Griff, just loses perspective of the article and discussion then wanders off in his hunt for assumptions and conspiracies?
    If his writing was a little more obtuse, he could be Loserandownsky researching his next fabrications.’
    
    ‘I gather, that you Griff, with your usual total lack of reading comprehension did not read the comments.’
    
    ‘Absolute confirmation that griffypoo, never reads the articles or most comments.
    Read the article griffy, before making grossly wrong statements.’
    
    Yep, that’s our Griff! ?
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      All On Wed,
      
      , interesting company climate change deniers like you keep with one of the most sought after Climate Change skeptics and other forms of snake oil and quackery ,
      
      “He has TWICE been asked by Republicans to testify about climate change before committees of the U.S. Congress, I ascribe him more significance. To me, Lord Monckton is a living symbol of the fact that many climate change contrarians will believe anything that seems to support their case, even if it’s coming from the most ridiculous source. He’s the gift that keeps on giving to folks that are trying to convince the public that we need to do something about climate change. His strange behavior comes up so often, however, that it’s easy to forget the older examples. To fully appreciate Lord Monckton, you have to keep in mind the sheer volume of kookiness he produces..””
      
      https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord-moncktons-rap-sheet/
      
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      September 17, 2016 9:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        What exactly do I deny Creepyboy? Besides, Maggy brought it up. Talk to her about it.
        It’s pretty funny though given the way he condemns anyone who looks at the site- a bit like you.
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:47am
      - Icarus
        
        stupidboy, this is about the science not your equally ill informed political preferences.
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I see your edit- the site is run by Anthony Watts. Monckton has nothing to do with it. You are ill informed – as usual.
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Actually, I didn’t bring up the topic of “Griff” commenting on WUWT. If you read through last night’s post, you will see Griff accused all_on_red of lying about being the “Griff” on WUWT.
        
        I noticed a “Griff” was quite prolific on WUWT during the last time he was banned from Kiwiblog.
        
        What a funny coincidence, I thought, back then. Two “Griffs” ever so interested in the same aspects of the Global Warming debate.
        Who would have thunk it?
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:26am
    - Griff
      
      Recurrent Fury: Conspiratorial Discourse in the Blogosphere Triggered by Research on the Role of Conspiracist Ideation in Climate Denial
      
      Abstract
      
      A growing body of evidence has implicated conspiracist ideation in the rejection of scientific propositions. Internet blogs in particular have become the staging ground for conspiracy theories that challenge the link between HIV and AIDS, the benefits of vaccinations, or the reality of climate change. A recent study involving visitors to climate blogs found that conspiracist ideation was associated with the rejection of climate science and other scientific propositions such as the link between lung cancer and smoking, and between HIV and AIDS. That article stimulated considerable discursive activity in the climate blogosphere—i.e., the numerous blogs dedicated to climate “skepticism”—that was critical of the study. The blogosphere discourse was ideally suited for analysis because its focus was clearly circumscribed, it had a well-defined onset, and it largely discontinued after several months. We identify and classify the hypotheses that questioned the validity of the paper’s conclusions using well-established criteria for conspiracist ideation. In two behavioral studies involving naive participants we show that those criteria and classifications were reconstructed in a blind test. Our findings extend a growing body of literature that has examined the important, but not always constructive, role of the blogosphere in public and scientific discourse.
      
      http://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/443/html
      
      If you drill down deep enough you always get to the tinfoil wearing conspiracy level.
      http://www.bris.ac.uk/expsych/people/stephan-lewandowsky/
      Stephan lewandowsky got a huge amount of recognition for his work as well as a chair at Bristol university.
      Another friend of yours is now professor John Cook.
      Isn’t it funny how these academics you think have failed or are discredited get promoted in the real world .
      Must be a conspiracy……
      Eh all on red.
      
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      September 17, 2016 10:05am
      - Icarus
        
        See how it can’t use its own words to explain things ^^^
        
        Its a virus.
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:08am
      - Griff
        
        Its called an abstract kea.
        It is what scientists place at the beginning or their scientific papers to introduce the content .
        Not that you would know as your scientific literacy is strikingly similar to an ihc inmate who licks windows .
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Most lecturers at US universities are called Professor. You get the title there as soon as you are appointed to the equivalent of a Junior Lectureship here in NZ.
        
        Am I right in thinking that John Cook has gone to the scandal-hit Climate Communication Center at George Mason University?
        http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/435395/climate-change-rico-letter-george-mason-university-professors-emails-made-public
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:17am
      - Icarus
        
        It’s called, cut-and-paste, Red Breasted Partridge
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:19am
      - Griff
        
        Maggie dear.
        Linking to a right wing propaganda source is par for the course.
        Well done lovey.
        The rico investigation of Exxon is on going.
        Tobacco company have been successfully prosecuted for the same sort of behavior often with the same “scientists” and “think tanks” involved.
        It will be only a matter of time before Exxon is as well .
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:27am
      - Griff
        
        Lovey there is another Griff at the guardian as well.
        Who would have thought .
        Not you or your funny little friends obviously .
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:29am
      - Icarus
        
        Griff, a panel of experts have PEER REVIEWED your submissions and the CONSENSUS VIEW is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
        
        That makes you a DENIER !
        
        How do you feel about that Griffy ? 🙂
        
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        September 17, 2016 10:31am
Huevon

Hillary congratulations a woman “shouting her genital herpes” on the Internet. ..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/07/hillary-clinton-just-slammed-the-stigma-surrounding-sexually-transmitted-infections/

We live in bizarro world…
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September 17, 2016 9:37am
duggledog

Captain

The only people who have done as much damage to New Zealand than Geoffrey Palmer are Helen Clark and Sue Bradford.

The seeds these fools planted aren’t evident for a generation, but they do sprout eventually.
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September 17, 2016 9:45am
- Manolo
  
  I agree. The pompous and arrogant Mr Palmer is a disgrace to NZ.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:20am
- Reid
  
  They’re not fools, they’re evil, and the biggest damage done by far was by Lange, when he brought in Tomorrow’s Schools, which has generated two generations and counting of increasingly dumbed down, politically correct, vacuous, petulant, demanding, materialistic people incapable of self-disicpline and delayed gratification.
  
  When these people come to political power, we’re going to see roaring mentalism on an unparalleled scale.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:31am
  - mikenmild
    
    The young people today. I tell you, it wasn’t like that in my day…
    
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    September 17, 2016 11:12am
  - peterwn
    
    The main effect of Tomorrows Schools was to knock over the old Education Boards who effectively ran the primary, intermediate and area schools. The old School Committees were limited to hiring janitors, paying bills and fundraising.
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:51pm
Icarus

“Anyone ever notice how Griff, just loses perspective of the article and discussion ”

Oh yes Dr AoR. I suspect Griff is actually a simple computer virus put together by some kid in his mums basement after being grounded for spying on his sister in the shower.

This simple bit of code picks up on key words and then searches a few climate alarmist sites for cut and paste.

You will notice that whenever you say something that requires reason and thought, the virus resorts to personal attacks and abuse.

DPF just needs to run a virus scan and it should be the end of the Griff 🙂
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September 17, 2016 9:49am
stephieboy

All on Wed

What exactly do I deny Creepyboy?

This ? ,

Climate Change Implications for New Zealand

” New Zealand is being affected by climate change and impacts are set to increase in magnitude and extent over time.

Floods, storms, droughts and fires will become more frequent unless significant action is taken to reduce global emissions of greenhouse gases, which are changing the climate….”

http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/expert-advice/papers/yr2016/climate-change-implications-for-new-zealand/
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September 17, 2016 9:51am
- All_on_Red
  
  Have they become more frequent?
  Evidence please.
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:56am
  - mikenmild
    
    You have an issue with the Royal Society’s statement?
    
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    September 17, 2016 9:59am
Manolo

Marie Antoinette lends the crook a hand:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/michelle-obama-greeted-with-four-more-years-chants-at-clinton-event/article/2602060

First lady Michelle Obama was greeted with chants of “four more years” shortly after she opened her first campaign event in support of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton Friday.
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September 17, 2016 9:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I don’t think that’s “a hand”; it’s the crowd sayoing they’d prefer a third term for Obama than to have another Clinton as President 😀
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:53am
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    Only allowed one up tick for what will be the presidential comment of the day
    
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    September 17, 2016 10:25am
  - Paulus
    
    They might still get him – if Hillarious physically craps out just before the election M’Bama, by Presidential decree, can delay the election unf and carry on pro tem.
    
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    September 17, 2016 2:13pm
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      Bullshit
      
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      September 17, 2016 2:22pm
Keeping Stock

Looks like there is a full complement of Stephieboys on duty this morning. They’re spinning so hard for Hillary that Metservice has just issued a tornado warning for Mt Roskill.

And you’ve got to hand it to the Trump supporters; they’ve had a pro-Trump parade in America’s largest retirement community in Florida, where they’ve pimped out their golf cars. I love the one with the “Proud 2 Be Deplorable” sign on the back.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/776888753499561984
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September 17, 2016 9:52am
Kimbo

@ Scott

Following up your GD post yesterday:

Hi Kimbo,
Coming back to you on the question of Genesis 1:8 and whether it can be understood consistent with a scientific framework or whether as you put it reflects a Hebrew pre-scientific understanding of the creation. The issue is whether God has accurately described in the Bible what took place and whether science can flow from that understanding? In Genesis 1:8 I think the problem with the word raquia or expanse is one of biblical translation.
According to the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis – The term is often rendered as firmament or translated as expanse or skies or heavens.The verbal root is hammered out.So it could be a hammered out dome or vault?
However it could also mean the verb describes God’s creative actions of spreading out the earth (Ps 136:6; Isa 42:5; 44:24) or the skies Job 37:18).
So did the word used mean that the author wanted to get across the stretched out nature of the raquia rather than its hardness? From the context we could see that the stretched out nature would be the more logical explanation.
According to Answers in Genesis “The context of Genesis 1:6–8, 14–22 makes it clear that Moses intended his readers to understand raqia simply as the sky (atmosphere and heavens or space) above the earth, as even the sun, moon, and stars were placed in them. In fact, in modern Hebrew raqia is the word used for sky, and there is no connotation of hardness.”

September 16, 2016 4:24pm

Thanks, Scott. Some around here may be “spray-and-walk-away” cowards and trolls, but no matter what our differences I didn’t take you for one. Good on you for stepping up to the plate. For more reader-friendly formatting, and to ensure this does not be come one gigantic post, I’ll fillet up what you have said and respond point-by-point.
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September 17, 2016 10:03am
- Kimbo
  
  Coming back to you on the question of Genesis 1:8 and whether it can be understood consistent with a scientific framework or whether as you put it reflects a Hebrew pre-scientific understanding of the creation. The issue is whether God has accurately described in the Bible what took place and whether science can flow from that understanding?
  
  Sorry, is that a question or your belief? because if it is – that good science, as a requirement of the discipline must refer to the Scriptures as a prerequisite, then we are back in Galileo days. Science is concerned with physical data, and of its very nature that is what it confines itself too. If not, then it is no longer science.
  
  Also, arguably, the same applies to theology, and in particular biblical studies if it must continually be validated by science to stand on its own merits as a discipline.Ironically it is a failure to understand that which characterises both creationists and their new atheists protagonists who are uncritically steeped in logical positivism.
  
  A better approach, IMHO is the “sphere sovereignty” developed by the Neo-Calvinists Abraham Kuyper and .I offer that advise as I don’t simply want to be critical of what you currently believe, but offer the alternative which I think better reconciles the biblical and scientific data surrounding the Hebrew creation and flood accounts.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere_sovereignty
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:04am
- Kimbo
  
  as In Genesis 1:8 I think the problem with the word raquia or expanse is one of biblical translation.
  
  Umm, no. Or not in the first instance as most biblical scholarship works with the original Hebrew. So I think “understanding” rather than “translation” is more precise. Sorry to nit pick but, with theology, as with any discipline, “divinity is in the details”! 😉
  
  According to the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis – The term is often rendered as firmament or translated as expanse or skies or heavens.The verbal root is hammered out.So it could be a hammered out dome or vault?
  
  Sure. A word used in the Bible (or in any form of communication for that matter) has a potential range of meanings. However, as I will explain below, it is the context in which it occurs that limits that range, and the translator/exegete/reader is the left with only those options that fit.
  
  Unless they want to ignore the intent of the author and impose a foreign interpretive system. When we do this with the Scriptures it is “the traditions of men” failing to submit to the authority of Scripture…even if that “tradition” is attempting in a misguided fashion to “defend” the Bible.
  
  That’s not just aimed at “literal Genesis creationists” btw. Jehovah’s Witnesses do it…as do most Christians at one time or other. is natural to want an existing schema by which to understand something. The issue is does the schema stay when conflicting data comes along, and if so, is that data properly considered, or rationalised away, often by cherry-picking any old “get out of jail free” factoid that suits.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:06am
- Kimbo
  
  However it could also mean the verb describes God’s creative actions of spreading out the earth (Ps 136:6; Isa 42:5; 44:24) or the skies Job 37:18).
  
  None of which eliminates, in Genesis 1, or the other texts you have cited, the possibility – indeed, as I’ll explain shortly the almost certainty – option of a solid dome….sky. It is merely your knowledge of “modern science” that is imposing an alternative pre-understanding on the text. Leave the science aside (while entertaining the possibility you can reconcile the bible and science later in a way that is different and better than what you believe at present), and let the texts speak for tehmselves. What in their context falsifies the possibility the authors thought was a solid dome?
  
  Indeed, I’ll go a step further – and this is my key argument, especially as I’ve been stressing letting the Scriptures speak on their own terms. Remember how I’ve been asking you previously about those pre-existing waters in Genesis 1:2? Well, as per Genesis 1:6, to deal with them:
  
  God made the vault/raqia/dome/firmament/sky and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.
  
  …which means that the writer and the original readers understood it was solid…because only something solids keeps back that amount of water! Now, some literal creationists will try and argue, the “firmament” refers to (as you have below) “the atmosphere”. Um, no. Scientifically we know the atmosphere includes water vapour, whereas in the context of genesis, the raqia is distinct from “water”, indeed its very purpose is to “separate waters”. How can it do that if it is water itself?
  
  Now. I’m sure the creationist authorities to whom you refer will come up with an ‘explanation/possibility (most likely a form of rationalising), and I’ll deal with that psychological thought-process below. Nonetheless, simple context with no reference to outside schema or science demands that Genesis presents God as creating a solid dome sky.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:06am
  - Kimbo
    
    @ Scott
    
    …and to look at your supposed proof texts further, the earth, which, in Ps 136:6, and Isa 42:5 and 44:24 is subject to the Hebrew verb raqa’/stretching/hammering
    
    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7554.htm
    
    …is clearly solid:
    
    Psalm 136:6a
    …who spread out the earth upon the waters
    
    And interestingly in the next two examples you cited, raqa’ is placed in parallelism (the Hebrew method of poetry, rather than rhyming as with English) with spreading out (Hebrew: natah – I’ll come back to that) the heavens….which therefore also implies the writers understood both are solid!
    
    Isaiah 42:5a: –
    This is what God the Lord says—
    the Creator of the heavens, who stretches (natah) them out,
    who spreads out (raqa’) the earth with all that springs from it,
    
    Isaiah 44:24b
    “I am the Lord,
    the Maker of all things,
    who stretches (natah) out the heavens,
    who spreads out (raqa’) the earth by myself,…
    
    And if you don’t think the clear language of Genesis 1:6 is indicative of a solid dome sky, then your citation of Job 37:18 is shooting your own argument in the foot:
    
    .…can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?
    
    Ultimately, the biblical data shows that raqa’ refers to the process by which a solid object is hammered out so that its final appearance is that of a stretched flattened object. In the case of the sky, the “metal work” is taken to the extent of finely polishing it so it reflects (not refracts as per modern scientific understanding!) light from the sun!
    
    Hence, with use of the alternate Hebrew verb natah
    
    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5186.htm
    
    …the heavens are also compared to a stretched tent – which is also a thin yet solid (as distinct from liquid or gaseous) object.
    
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    September 17, 2016 11:54am
    - Icarus
      
      What about the “sky” fairy ?
      
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      September 17, 2016 11:57am
- Kimbo
  
  So did the word used mean that the author wanted to get across the stretched out nature of the raquia rather than its hardness? From the context we could see that the stretched out nature would be the more logical explanation.
  
  From what “context”? And from what “more logical explanation”. What you really mean is “my existing literal creationist schema of understanding”. Remember when I asked what were your forms of ‘quality-control’ by which we can check we are making interpretive those decisions on the basis of Scriptural authority, rather than imposing our own presuppositions and/or interpretive system? That’s why. It is a useful tool, which, if used right stops us from automatically seeing “context” and “logical understanding” when what we are really doing is imposing the comfortable reassurance of an existing dogma.
  
  According to Answers in Genesis “The context of Genesis 1:6–8, 14–22 makes it clear that Moses intended his readers to understand raqia simply as the sky (atmosphere and heavens or space) above the earth, as even the sun, moon, and stars were placed in them.
  
  Love how that word “simply” (my emphasis) just got dropped in there. What they really mean is “we know the sky is not solid, but our understanding of Scripture demands that it must not be scientifically invalid….therefore the context must mean raqia is not solid”…which, as it is a form of circular reasoning is very…illogical.
  
  The other option that “Answers in Genesis” could have taken to preserve their belief that Genesis is (to quote you) “consistent with a scientific framework” was to do what you did when I mentioned that the Flood narrative includes the detail that “the windows/sluice gates of heaven opened” – it is figurative. Er, but didn’t you insist that Genesis is literal? Obviously it is…unless you come across something that is incompatible with modern science…therefore it must be figurative. Those who have dealt with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and seen arbitrary and ever-changing uses of literal and figurative meanings to buttress the pre-exisiting system recognise the technique.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:07am
- Kimbo
  
  . In fact, in modern Hebrew raqia is the word used for sky, and there is no connotation of hardness.”
  
  Indeed. However that is an example of what is known as a “semantic anachronism”. Of course words change meaning as time goes on, and the meaning or understanding of existing words expands to incorporate new nuances. For example, the modern Hebrew word for photograph is, probably not surprisingly, derived from the same word (tselem) used in Genesis 1: 26:
  
  26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness…
  
  …but Genesis is in no way referring photography! 😉 Hence it is clutching at straws to try and impose the scientific understanding of modern Hebrew speaker – whose language is not identical to Classical biblical Hebrew. btw – just like our English is different from Chaucer and Shakespeare!
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    Kimbo , I thought this book could be of interest to you ,
    
    Unapologetic: Why, despite everything, Christianity can still make surprising emotional sense
    by Francis Spufford
    
    “Francis Spufford’s Unapologetic is a wonderfully pugnacious defense of Christianity. Refuting critics such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and the “new atheist” crowd, Spufford, a former atheist and Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature, argues that Christianity is recognizable, drawing on the deep and deeply ordinary vocabulary of human feeling, satisfying those who believe …more
    
    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15929332-unapologetic
    
    Maybe of interest to us all !
    
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    September 17, 2016 10:34am
Manolo

The consequence of Merkel’s lunatic policy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704112/Terrifying-price-Merkel-s-decision-teenage-refugee-s-axe-attack-German-train-passengers-grand-immigration-plan-isn-t-looking-grand-days-writes-SUE-REID.html

The Germans have no true idea of the type of people who were allowed into their country as a result of their leader Angela Merkel’s decision to open Germany’s doors wide during the biggest migration crisis in Europe.
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September 17, 2016 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  The type of people? This type. Germany will be basking in the invigorating diversity and enrichment for generations to come and paying very dearly for it.
  
  “An Afghan migrant has been jailed after he forced a four-year-old Iraqi boy to perform a sex act on him in an asylum centre toilet.”
  
  Meanwhile European navies are still bringing them ashore by the thousand in Italy. Madness.
  
  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/afghan-migrant-caged-after-forced-8851395
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:40am
Icarus

I see Kimbo is in good form pompously posting screeds of drivel about imaginary things.

Reminds me of Griff, but a different religious cult.
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September 17, 2016 10:22am
- stephieboy
  
  Infinetly more preferable than your anti Obama, climate change denial and Bell curve tirades .
  
  And can we add Creation Science ?
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:30am
tom hunter

Bruce Schneier is CTO of Resilient, an IBM Company, a fellow at Harvard’s Berkman Center, and a board member of EFF (Lectronic Frontier Foundation). His books, articles, and academic papers deal mainly with computer security issues.

I put all that in because otherwise the headline might cause people to think “tinfoil”. It’s not: Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet

Recently, some of the major companies that provide the basic infrastructure that makes the Internet work have seen an increase in DDoS attacks against them. Moreover, they have seen a certain profile of attacks. These attacks are significantly larger than the ones they’re used to seeing. They last longer. They’re more sophisticated. And they look like probing.
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There’s more. One company told me about a variety of probing attacks in addition to the DDoS attacks: testing the ability to manipulate Internet addresses and routes, seeing how long it takes the defenders to respond, and so on. Someone is extensively testing the core defensive capabilities of the companies that provide critical Internet services.

The attacks steadily ramp up, then stop, then re-start at that level again. Moreover, they attack in such a way that the target companies are forced to respond by using everything in their defences.

This sounds exactly like the sort of air defence probing that went on during the Cold War, with the USA and USSR forcing defence system response with single plane overflights or near-flights. The US did this a lot in the buildup to Operation Desert Storm.

Who would do this? It doesn’t seem like something an activist, criminal, or researcher would do. Profiling core infrastructure is common practice in espionage and intelligence gathering. It’s not normal for companies to do that.

And most of them, aside from the likes of Google, would not have the resources to do it.

Furthermore, the size and scale of these probes – and especially their persistence – points to state actors. It feels like a nation’s military cybercommand trying to calibrate its weaponry in the case of cyberwar.
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September 17, 2016 10:36am
Reid

Allegations of Fraud Surface Over “One Time” Donations to Hillary that Occur Repeatedly

https://mishtalk.com/2016/09/16/allegations-of-fraud-surface-over-one-time-donations-to-hillary-that-occur-repeatedly/
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September 17, 2016 10:41am
- Icarus
  
  The only thing keeping her from criminal charges are blackmail and corruption against those who may otherwise speak out.
  
  She is a career criminal guilty of :
  
  – War crimes
  – Corruption
  – Treason
  – Fraud
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:45am
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus , please document the above ?
    
    Shall we start with – War Crimes ?
    
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    September 17, 2016 11:08am
tom hunter

I had to chuckle the other day at the scoffing about Wikileaks damaging Hillary over the next few weeks, the claim being that they were always threatening but never producing.

As one article I read pointed out:

The DNC has already lost a party chairwoman, a CEO, a CFO and several other high ranking figures because of embarrassing leaks.

That’s not minor stuff.

Assange is a nasty, America-hating piece of shit who – were he up against Putin – would likely already be dead. But as another commentator noted – it’s not him or Wikileaks writing these emails and other material.
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September 17, 2016 10:49am
- Icarus
  
  How is releasing documents “America hating ” ?
  
  You are shooting the messenger to hide the edifice of lies your views are based on. No intelligent decent person regards the USA as a beacon of light.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:56am
  - tom hunter
    
    Yaaaawwwnnnnn…… Scratches balls!
    
    Kea at work – again
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:01pm
    - Icarus
      
      So no answer to the topic Canary ?
      
      So its distraction and personal attacks.
      
      Tragic loser.
      
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      September 17, 2016 12:07pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Troll level – Camille Beauty School
        
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        September 17, 2016 12:13pm
Reid

Very good summary of the Geneva talks on Syria

http://www.unz.com/ishamir/pizza-and-vodka-secrets-coming-out/
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September 17, 2016 10:52am
Icarus

And every one of them a potential US president:

NAIROBI, Kenya — Gang rape, the massacre of civilians and even instances of forcing captives to jump into fires and eat human flesh are among a long list of atrocities committed during South Sudan’s continuing civil war, according to a long-awaited report by the African Union.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/world/africa/south-sudan-war-african-union-report.html?_r=0

Seems black lives matter least to blacks !
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September 17, 2016 11:00am
stephieboy

Icarus , and everyone of these is a potential US Preident ?,

Kosovo Conflict ,

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kosovo/cleansing/

Not forgetting the Invasion of Iraq ( supported by Trump ) and its aftermath

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/iraq-war-aftermath-paul-bremer
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September 17, 2016 11:09am
- Andrei
  
  Using the American Government propaganda channel to talk about Kosovo is like letting a rapist call his victim a slut
  
  We all know the Godless USA annexed Kosovo to steal its minerals and to place an army of occupation there to dominate the Balkans
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:26am
  - mikenmild
    
    No, we don’t all know that.
    
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    September 17, 2016 11:31am
  - DoctorDoc
    
    No only US-hating commie retards like yourself and Yoza think that Andrei
    
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    September 17, 2016 11:55am
- Icarus
  
  Only if they are born in Africa stephieboy 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:26am
BarryB

Although its difficult to be sure that the Herald has got anything right – they report today that the stripper at the centre of the Chiefs affair has been telling a great big lie. And they are saying that it seems none of the team did anything she claimed at all.
I hope all those rabid female commentators and other carpetbaggers who made statements about how bad the chiefs have been come out with their apologies…….. but I think we will grow very old before they get the courage to do that.
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September 17, 2016 11:19am
- MH
  
  certainly put the ball under her own hookers feat. I ruled it from the TMO as touch in goal, where she should be.
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:42am
- Paulus
  
  See the one time TVNZ expert Linda Clark is the Stripper’s Lawyer.
  How appropriate – pro bono ?
  
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  September 17, 2016 2:18pm
mikenmild

I see the TAB has South Africa as $9 outsiders to win tonight.
Surely big bruv and Longknives will be investing heavily.
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September 17, 2016 11:25am
- Longknives
  
  You’d be nuts to bet against the All Blacks Mikenmild! Everyone knows that even if South Africa start dominating a terrified referee will bail the self-professed ‘Greatest Sports Team in History’ out..(How many times have we seen that happen in recent years?)
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:04pm
  - Kimbo
    
    I always regard every All Blacks vs Springboks test match as even money for both teams, irrespective of lead up form. Their fixtures are littered with so many “unexpected victories against the odds”:
    
    All Blacks in the 2nd and 4th tests of 1928
    
    Springboks in the first test of 1960,
    
    Springboks in the 3rd test of 1965 (lost 7 tests in a row and down 5-16 at halftime against the Meads brothers, Whineray, Treamain, Lochore, Gray and Laidlaw!)
    
    The Springboks in the entire 1970 test series
    
    The Springboks in the 1995 World Cup Final
    
    And even when our great teams won against their “average” sides in the 1996 series, and also the World Cup semi last year, it was still by very slim margins.
    
    …such that I would never consider odds of $1.04 vs $9.00 as an accurate reflection of the situation. Indeed, they are foolish. There is so much national pride, and so many ghosts who fought in battles past to be honoured in this fixture.
    
    Plus, like great prize fighters, they are perfectly matched, each one with an essential “style” that compliments and counters the others strengths and weaknesses. No matter what the circumstances, nor how it is achieved, I always consider an “ugly” and/or “controversial” win by a solitary point against the ‘Boks as something to be treasured.
    
    So if I was a betting man I’d be piling in to the men in green and gold tonight. Even if you lost, you would still have got, as per professional gambling criterion, a “quality bet”.
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:51pm
Reid

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha…

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/media-outraged-after-trump-tricks-them-to-cover-endorsements-from-military-heroes/
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September 17, 2016 11:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , as I posted earlier undoubtedly Trump also spoke to the military brass gathered about his own “heroic ” draft deferments and draft dodging ?
  
  Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha…!
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:16pm
Chuck Bird

This sort of dumb and unfair decision will discourage landlords from staying in the business. Surely a tenant is liable for accidental damage.

Tenant not liable for dog urine damage to rental carpets

According to Russ, the animals urinated and defecated on the carpet causing $3000 in damage.

He took Stewart to the Tenancy Tribunal and but it ruled in Stewart’s favour.

“While I accept that the tenant has intentionally breached the agreement by allowing a dogs onto the property the landlord has not established that the tenant intended to damage the carpet,” the adjudicator said.
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September 17, 2016 11:46am
- MH
  
  dogs rule becomes doggerel
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:51am
- Happychappy
  
  So what they are setting is a precedent allowing not only a animal to urinate all a carpet and saying that it can not be their fault but any human dog will have the same right.This will not help fix our housing crisis or encourage investment into the rental market
  
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  September 17, 2016 11:59am
Icarus

People are waking up to the truth and the medias lies.

POLL: OBAMA IS AMERICA’S WORST PRESIDENT
33% of Americans see Obama as the worst post-war president

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261308/poll-obama-americas-worst-president-daniel-greenfield
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September 17, 2016 11:58am
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus , what do the other 67 % think ?
  
  frontpage has always been notoriously anti Obama including promoting birther , Islamaphhobic and other Obama conspiracy theories,
  
  http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/91092/about-birth-certificate-benjamin-shapiro
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:11pm
  - Icarus
    
    stephieboy, do you think Hillary should face charges or do you agree she is too mentally incapacitated ?
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Charges for doing what precisly ?
      
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      September 17, 2016 12:17pm
      - Icarus
        
        Sources please ?
        
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        September 17, 2016 12:17pm
Icarus

Listening to Al Jazeera:

1. Multiple stories about climate change.

2. Attacks on Trump

3. Running cover for Hillary

4. Creating a story that Russia may hack computers to make Trump win . They are already creating a cover story. Just like they did when Bush won. “Conspiracy”
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September 17, 2016 12:11pm
kowtow

The corrupt EU’s deal with corrupt Turkey has fallen through.

” Violent clashes between refugees and locals have broken out in Greece – as the number of migrants arriving from Turkey has doubled to 1,000 in just one week.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3792576/Turkish-coastguards-tried-drown-Fist-fights-locals-sprayed-tear-gas-Greece-refugee-arrivals-DOUBLE-1-000-one-week.html
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September 17, 2016 12:28pm
Icarus

Ben Stein: Obama ‘most racist president’ in American history

Ben Stein on Sunday blasted President Obama for being the most racist president in American history, arguing that he and fellow Democrats are purposefully using race to divide the American people.

“What the White House is trying to do is racialize all politics and they’re especially trying to tell the African-American voter that the GOP is against letting them have a chance at a good life in this economy, and that’s just a complete lie,”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/3/ben-stein-obama-most-racist-president-in-american-/
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September 17, 2016 12:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus , not a very encouraging endorsement of Trump by Bob Stein . Neverthelss I think we know where his baises and prejudices lie ,
  
  Ben Stein Will Vote for Trump, Even If He Doesn’t Know ‘A Goddamn Thing about Economics’
  
  Ben Stein, economist and former Nixon speechwriter turned game show host, is decidedly unimpressed with Donald Trump. But that won’t stop Stein from voting for him, he told the Guardian in an interview published Saturday. Logic!
  
  “I don’t think Trump knows a goddamn thing about economics,” Stein said, instilling confidence in both Stein’s judgment and Trump’s ability to guide the nation’s economy into prosperity.
  
  Stein also gave Trump’s skills as a businessman less than a ringing endorsement. “He is not a great businessman. He inherited a great deal of money. He did some successful real estate deals… He is not a great businessman at all – in no way.”
  
  http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45527/ben-stein-will-vote-for-trump-even-though-he-knows-better/
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:40pm
  - Icarus
    
    The article is about Obama’s racism.
    
    esquire is a discredited anti Trump hate site. I need sources for your bizzare claims please.
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:56pm
VicParking

Big news for the Greens and Greenpiss.
We are at last coming out of the Ice Age and we can put our heaters away and get back to how it was before this cold decended on us
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160915-polar-bears-face-dramatic-sea-ice-decline
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September 17, 2016 12:39pm
- Icarus
  
  Polar Bear numbers are the highest in a long time and increasing.
  
  —————————————
  
  Global population of polar bears has increased by 2,650-5,700 since 2001
  
  https://polarbearscience.com/2013/07/15/global-population-of-polar-bears-has-increased-by-2650-5700-since-2001/
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Not so sure about that , I suspect it’s business as usual. Hot summers, cold winters. And all that bull about ice free Arctic is just that, bull. Here’s an interesting story from an alarmist paper , the Guardian about finding the almost perfectly intact HMS Terror. How this slipped past the sub editors is anyone’s guess.
  
  “With the first winter snow already falling in the High Arctic, Terror Bay will soon be encased in thick sea ice.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/12/hms-terror-wreck-found-arctic-nearly-170-years-northwest-passage-attempt
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:13pm
  - Icarus
    
    Reminds me of that epic slip when an ice burg appeared off the coast of Dunedin.
    
    They had some talking head academic droning on about climate change through fossil fuels, but she let slip that one came right into the bay way back when NZ was first settled.
    
    Maybe sailing ships caused it ? 🙂
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:24pm
tom hunter

Loved this quote from an article on Hillary and Trump…

Trump had to stop being Trump in order to gain in the polls; Hillary has to stop being Hillary in order to do the same. But it was easier for Trump to stop being Trump. That’s because Trump defined himself as a borderline nut job, a crazy man willing to do or say anything. To stop being Trump merely required him to start reading a script. So, like Shia Lebeouf, he got on message during the filming, and saved his actual cannibalism for his off-hours.

For Hillary, the problem runs deeper. People think she’s corrupt and dishonest. That’s because she’s corrupt and dishonest. To stop being Hillary, she must stop being corrupt and dishonest. It’s easier to feign sobriety than it is to feign truthfulness. Even when Hillary tells the truth these days, it sounds like a lie. And there’s no way for her to escape herself.
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September 17, 2016 12:40pm
- Griff
  
  Do you really want trump Tom?
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:44pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Do you really want Hillary, Griff?
    
    See how stupid the question is?
    
    I want a GOP controlled Senate and House that can stymie whichever of these two wins POTUS.
    
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    September 17, 2016 12:54pm
    - Griff
      
      Do you really want trump over hillary
      I mean do you think trump is going to make merca great
      or fuck it up badly ?
      Personally I see trump has far worse potential than Hillary to damage the USA and the entire world.
      He is all over the place from one day to the next.
      One of his brain farts might be lets push this big red button.
      Or lets go chapter 11 on us dept .
      or Putin is my friend who cares if he invades Europe.
      or tariffs on world trade because .
      or …..
      Just asking
      
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      September 17, 2016 1:00pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Meh – heard all that in the leadup to Reagan’s victory in 1980.
        
        Oh -and facism too.
        
        Put simply, I believe Trump will niether Make America Great Again – nor fuck it up.
        
        It’s almost as if people think that POTUS is all powerful. That there’s no such thing as a Congress and a Supreme Court.
        – Big red button? See Reagan, Ronald, 1980, Democrat hysteria.
        – Chap 11 on the US? I’m not even sure what that means? Debt re-negotiations? Good luck working those through the US Fed and US Treasury.
        – Putin and Europe? Hate to tell you this, but after eight years of Smart Power and the great Reset, Putin is pretty much there already. And sanctions are not something Trump can lift unilaterally.
        
        To put it bluntly, if Trump is elected he’ll probably end up governing less like the Austran in Germany and more like the Austrian in California – and the latter faced the same hysteria too.
        
        Which is to say that Trump will be largely ineffectual on the detail that makes things work. About the only thing I’m semi-confident he’ll do will be to put one or two GOP-backed judges on the Supreme Court – which would be good enough for me.
        
        I’m not interested in hysteria, Griff. Seen it too often, especially in POTUS elections.
        
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        September 17, 2016 1:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        It’s almost as if people think that POTUS is all powerful. That there’s no such thing as a Congress and a Supreme Court.
        
        True, although as we’ve noted before, it is not surprising when, based on his eclectic set of “policies”, Trump himself seems to think and assume likewise…
        
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        September 17, 2016 1:22pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Trump himself seems to think and assume likewise…
        
        I think most of these clowns do – except for those who’ve been State Governors and have had to elbow legislation through the State governments and courts (and special interest groups).
        
        Unfortunately that is not what Obama and Hillary experienced, and Trump’s executive world has been in his own empire where his word is law. Not the same as even a typical CEO who could get canned by the Board of Directors.
        
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        September 17, 2016 1:42pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  And yet the media still claim she’s in front when the American public at large don’t trust her
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:59pm
Dave Mann

On the bank notes with the wrong name on them thing, I was overseas when I read on Kiwiblog about correcting the false name ‘Aotearoa’ on the new notes but, as I didn’t have any new NZ notes on me, I just filed it away in my mind for future interest.

Yesterday when I changed money at the airport – blow me down – I got a blacked out $10 in the pile! 😀

Lets do it! Seriously. You don’t have to black out every new note in your wallet (in case someone refuses to accept them)…. but if you cross out a few per day the message will start to get through.

I’m crossing my notes out with one thick line so the offensive word can still be seen and its obvious that a statement has been made.

Thank you to whoever first mentioned this a few days ago (can’t find the original comment under the new look format, sorry).
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September 17, 2016 12:45pm
- starboard
  
  I’ll take that one.
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:29pm
tom hunter

And this from the world that Obama, Hillary and especially all their nasty, shitty little worshippers want to create:

On campus, political correctness has become the Santa Claus who offers no presents. It sees you when you’re sleeping. It knows when you’re awake. It’s definitely making lists and checking them twice, and you’d better be correct for correctness’ sake. Otherwise you won’t even get a lump of coal, just a letter informing you how really sorry everyone is that they had to expel you for your own good.

Yet another sense-demolishing instance of campus lunacy was reported last week in The New York Times, which informed readers that their children off at college are being sternly warned not to say “you guys” (it might make women feel excluded), not to “show surprise” if a feminine-looking woman says she is a lesbian (acting ability now being as essential as learning ability) and to be very very careful about singing along with rap lyrics, even when alone in a car.

FFS!

This real world isanity in increasingly littel different from this fictional one:

A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police. Even when he is alone he can never be sure that he is alone. Wherever he may be, asleep or awake, working or resting, in his bath or in bed, he can be inspected without warning and without knowing that he is being inspected. Nothing that he does is indifferent. His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression of his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body, are all jealously scrutinized. Not only any actual misdemeanour, but any eccentricity, however small, any change of habits, any nervous mannerism that could possibly be the symptom of an inner struggle, is certain to be detected. He has no freedom of choice in any direction whatever.
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September 17, 2016 12:45pm
- Icarus
  
  You just described paradise to stephieboy, Griff and co.
  
  They all crave total dominance over their fellow man.
  
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  September 17, 2016 12:51pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Kea at work
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:18pm
    - Icarus
      
      Tom at work
      
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      September 17, 2016 1:48pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  “He has no freedom of choice in any direction whatever.”
  
  J Key’s ultimate goal for Kiwi’s. It’s my way or the grave
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:34pm
Dave Mann

On the subject of the bank notes with the wrong name on them, I was overseas when I read on Kiwiblog about correcting the false name ‘Aotearoa’ on the new notes but, as I didn’t have any new NZ notes on me, I just filed it away in my mind for future interest.

Yesterday when I changed money at the airport – blow me down – I got a blacked out $10 in the pile! 😀

Lets do it! Seriously. You don’t have to black out every new note in your wallet (in case someone refuses to accept them)…. but if you cross out a few per day the message will start to get through.

I’m crossing my notes out with one thick line so the offensive word can still be seen and it’s obvious that a statement has been made.

Thank you to whoever first mentioned this a few days ago (can’t find the original comment under the new look format, sorry).

p.s. I was in New Caledonia and racist separatism is so bad there that the country actually has TWO separate FLAGS. Its the only country in the world which doesn’t have one single flag to represent it…
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September 17, 2016 12:51pm
- Kimbo
  
  Um, I think it is illegal to deface and/or deliberately change the appearance of minted currency.
  
  But all the more opportunity to make martyrs for your cause 😉
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:00pm
  - Kimbo
    
    He he he.
    
    Looks like my posts are being down ticked on site. Now, let me guess. Isn’t a~~n Icarus~~ Kea a natural vandal? 😉
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:05pm
  - starboard
    
    How would they prove it..stupid law when you think about it.
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:31pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Isn’t the point, for better publicity and confrontation, to do it publicly, and, as I’ve said, evoke the martyr-effect?
      
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      September 17, 2016 1:45pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes it might be illegal… but I don’t actually give a flying fuck. There’s an important principle at stake here.
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:32pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Onya mate!
      
      Freeeee Dave Mann!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU
      
      Um, before I start printing t shirts, would you be so kind as to articulate said “important principle”? Despite two posts, neither outlined precisely what it was. If you’re gonna be an effective martyr, it helps to summarise in one post-it note sized bullet point 😉
      
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      September 17, 2016 1:39pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …for example
      
      “Brexit” was the goal, and the “important principle” that motivated people to support the goal was “protecting British sovereignty”.
      
      “Black-out Aotearoa” is your goal, and the “important principle” that will motivate others to do so is…?
      
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      September 17, 2016 1:59pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Don’t forget to be consistent in your principles and cross out ‘Aotearoa’ on your passport as well.
      
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      September 17, 2016 2:15pm
      - Icarus
        
        Don’t forget to cross out : Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea , on yours.
        
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        September 17, 2016 2:19pm
- Dave Mann
  
  My apologies for double posting this in error…. sorry.
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:11pm
dime

lol

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/media-outraged-after-trump-tricks-them-to-cover-endorsements-from-military-heroes/

sorry if this was already posted/discussed. havent had time to read he thread. i just found this funny.
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September 17, 2016 1:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  dime , as I noted earlier Trump missed the real funny part and that was in regard to his draft deferments and dodging.
  
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  September 17, 2016 3:33pm
  - Icarus
    
    Sources ?
    
    Evidence ?
    
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    September 17, 2016 3:34pm
wikiriwhis business

We Misled You’: How the Saudis Are Coming Clean on Funding Terrorism

On his latest trip, a former senior U.S. official finds a new attitude in Riyadh. But will it stick?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241#ixzz4KTLTPo7t
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September 17, 2016 1:31pm
- Icarus
  
  Nutter.
  
  Saudi Arabia is a beckon of democracy and human rights. Especially in the area of religious freedom and women’s rights.
  
  They also were not behind 911. That was done by illiterate Afghan peasants living in mud huts herding goats in the mountains.
  
  Soooo stupid 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:40pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    I see we on the same page
    
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    September 17, 2016 1:55pm
wikiriwhis business

Ben Carson Strikes Fear Into The Heart Of Every Republican… Nobody Saw This Coming

During his appearance on Friday’s Breitbart News Daily, Dr. Ben Carson said it was “not terribly surprising to see the focus on racism and divisiveness” in various issues of the day, notably law enforcement and police shootings.

“I would encourage people to read a little book, it’s not that long, called Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinsky, and you can see how the playbook works, and what they need to do. It’s to stir up strife, and to stir up division, and discontentment, as opposed to focusing on the real issues,” he told SiriusXM host Alex Marlow.
http://endingthefed.com/ben-carson-strikes-fear-into-the-heart-of-every-republican-nobody-saw-this-coming.html#.V9dm6PtigGA.facebook

Strategy of the National govts 1950’s watersiders strike, Muldoonism, Keysnism, Ruth Richardson, The National plant in the Labour Party, Roger Douglas. (Should Google that and see if Douglas name comes up) and of course J Key himself.
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September 17, 2016 1:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiki, Bec Carson has been strangely silent and it was I believe saving the GOP embarrassment about his cranky beliefs like the Egyptians used the Pyramids to store grain , the US is like Nazi Germany , the 2016 Presidential elections wont be held etc ,
  
  https://ourfuture.org/20150512/ben-carsons-13-craziest-beliefs
  
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  September 17, 2016 3:37pm
  - Icarus
    
    This from a guy who believes the Pyramids were actually built by black Africans. LOL 🙂
    
    Bit of a step up from grass huts stephieboy.
    
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    September 17, 2016 3:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How to interact with kea:
https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/keacitizenscience
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September 17, 2016 1:55pm
- Icarus
  
  Ornithophobia is a type of specific phobia, which is an abnormal and irrational fear of birds. The origin of the word ornitho is Greek (meaning bird) and phobia is Greek (meaning fear). The fear of birds is not uncommon, and it stems from the menacing, darker image of some birds of prey.
  
  wiki
  
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  September 17, 2016 1:58pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    Came up on Tipping Point game show other day.
    As well as Chronophobia. Fear of time which I worked out
    
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    September 17, 2016 2:23pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “The Birds” was on tele last night….
    
    Seems I’ve misunderstood it all these years….. It is an ode to feminine sexuality
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birds_(film)
    
    Thank goodness I didn’t watch it….. I’d already been scared off by a murmuration of starlings up the Motu earlier in the day.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOGCSBh3kmM
    
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    September 17, 2016 3:08pm
    - Icarus
      
      Humanities scholar Camille Paglia wrote a monograph about the film for the BFI Film Classics series. She interprets it as an ode to the many facets of female sexuality and, by extension, nature itself. She notes that women play pivotal roles in it. Mitch is defined by his relationships with his mother, sister, and ex-lover – a careful balance which is disrupted by his attraction to the beautiful Melanie.[27]
      
      ================================
      
      What a pretentious wanker. This drivel is actually sold to people as serious academic study. Its a disgrace.
      
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      September 17, 2016 3:14pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Call me a silly old fool if you wish Maggy but not being as canny an old fool as Sir David I’m struggling to understand how feminist writers can tell if birds are female or male.
      I mean the chaps don’t fly around with their gear hanging down (for obvious aerodynamic reasons).
      Obviously female birds can tell but female writers? 🙂
      
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      September 17, 2016 3:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ JB
        I would never call you a silly old fool.
        
        Like you, I missed out on the sexuality lessons…
        
        It was all rooting, shooting and looting in my day.
        
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        September 17, 2016 3:41pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy Wassilieff,
      
      The Birds was not Hitchcock’s strongest film IMO. It was based on a short story by Daphne du Maurier which is worth a read and I felt better .Great pity she didn’t turn it into a novella or a shorter novel .
      
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      September 17, 2016 3:30pm
      - Icarus
        
        stephieboy reminds me of the Starlings in your clip Maggy.
        
        The way he mindlessly moves around always desperate to be accepted by the flock of flying banalities.
        
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        September 17, 2016 3:33pm
      - Johnboy
        
        “You felt better”?
        Why what did you do???
        Most young chaps wanked to Lady Chatterley lover! 🙂
        
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        September 17, 2016 3:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Johnboy
        
        Most young chaps wanked to Lady Chatterley lover!
        
        Hence the Crown Prosecutor’s question in the (in)famous obscenity trial, “is it the kind of book you would even wish your wife or servants to read?”
        
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        September 17, 2016 4:20pm
- Griff
  
  Shoot it .
  
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  September 17, 2016 2:02pm
  - Icarus
    
    1. Drug problem – check
    
    2. Anger issues – check
    
    3. Persecution complex – check
    
    4. Threatening to kill – check
    
    5. Access to firearms – check
    
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    September 17, 2016 2:09pm
    - starboard
      
      I cant wait until he moves north and establishes his commune..
      It will turn out to be a cross between a Bert Potter ” come here my sweety ” and a Waco type clusterfuck .
      
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      September 17, 2016 2:18pm
      - Icarus
        
        Yeah I hope the cops give it a while to really let the rot set in before they raid the place 🙂
        
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        September 17, 2016 2:20pm
- Johnboy
  
  What a shame Maggy.
  I’m almost certain if we had met up 50 years ago we would have been very accomplished at the rooting by now! 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 4:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I suspect a large dollop of pheromones would have been required.
    http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/ladybits/subtle-yet-sexy-how-pheromones-can-change-your-perception-attractiveness?src=PPC&dom=Reveed
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

So in the Socialist paradise that is Venezuela, you can get thrown in jail for queuing up in an attempt to buy food for your family.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/84372142/in-a-starving-venezuela-buying-too-much-food-can-get-one-arrested

Can’t wait until the little angry one’s in charge.
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September 17, 2016 2:06pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Aren’t they crossing the border for food
  
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  September 17, 2016 2:25pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    If they are, why should they bloody well have to?
    
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    September 17, 2016 3:34pm
    - wikiriwhis business
      
      Cause the border was opened for them
      
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      September 17, 2016 4:54pm
Icarus

Griff says:

“Personally I see trump has far worse potential than Hillary to damage the USA and the entire world. He is all over the place from one day to the next.”

Hillary Clinton’s Flip Timeline
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September 17, 2016 2:12pm
Johnboy

Griff will be unavailable for comment from 4:00.
He may be available for comment at a later time.
That time will be determined when the potency of the after-rally shit wears off! 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/84371834/legalise-cannabis-protests-planned-outside-nz-police-stations
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September 17, 2016 2:24pm
- Manolo
  
  Jamaica Gold is his all-time favourite. AGW is entirely credible and appealing after the third joint.
  
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  September 17, 2016 2:26pm
- Icarus
  
  Its worse than that.
  
  He found a patch of Shrooms growing at the site he will squat at for the new commune. He has been off his face non-stop for the past week.
  
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  September 17, 2016 2:29pm
wikiriwhis business

P Goff has really exposed the Nat/Lab coalition. Pro TPP as a one world globalist he will enjoy right wing support to get him well over the thresh hold which will probably be obvious hours before the election is done.

All I wonder is will Act be toast after this election. I think they have a higher thresh hold than P Dunn who has 0%. Shouldn’t he lose his seat.
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September 17, 2016 2:28pm
Griff

During jb the local Senor Sargent is my next door neighbor .
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September 17, 2016 2:33pm
- Icarus
  
  Yeah it was all over the news.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10619049/Ex-cop-pleads-guilty-to-corruption-drug-charges
  
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  September 17, 2016 2:40pm
Icarus

The lie that is Hillary

A list of her ‘accomplishments’ reveals a suspect pattern:

• Flunked the D.C. Bar Exam.

• Was removed from her House Judiciary Committee staffer job because of incompetence and lying.

• The Whitewater scandal.

• Married a serial liar and cheater, who occasionally had sexual encounters with nonconsenting partners.

• Lied about “sniper fire” in an attempt to simulate exposure to danger in a war zone

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/19/hillary-clintons-long-list-of-lies/

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This hardly scratches the surface.
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September 17, 2016 2:44pm
Fletch

Trump embracing Hillary’s attack slogan; takes the stage to the song, Do You Hear The People Sing from Les Miserables, showing a banner saying “Les Deplorables”. 😆

His first words, “welcome to all you deplorables”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEiTKloMgBg
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September 17, 2016 2:54pm
- Icarus
  
  Trump is always uplifting and energetic. He shows real vision. Unlike Hillary’s petty and nasty speeches.
  
  Trump is a statesman. While he can have a dialogue with Putin, Obama restarts the cold war. Hillary and Obama are low energy and low information people, supported by visionless shallow idiots.
  
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  September 17, 2016 3:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus , how lame and pathetic can you get .Trump now deified and the fourth person of the Holy Trinity ?
    
    What next ?
    
    Now about Trump’s Patriotism and draft dodging ?
    
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    September 17, 2016 3:44pm
    - Icarus
      
      No idea what you are on about.
      
      I was just pointing out he was a good speaker and has some vision, combined with the energy to carry it out.
      
      Hillary did not have a press conference for over a year and when she tried the bitter old hag was rushed to hospital. It nearly killed her LOL 🙂
      
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      September 17, 2016 3:47pm
wikiriwhis business

EXPOSED: Why The Global Warming/Climate Change Industry Is a SCAM

Russ Hepler reports 300 scientists warn Congress of NOAA global warming fraud:

The steady drip, drip, drip of information leaking out about the fraud involved with “Climate Change/Global Warming” is building a into reservoir of facts that totally debunk President Obama’s pet cause.

These truths cannot be contained any longer by the national media, left-wing academia, and the Democrat Party as people all over the world are now questioning the shoddy work, tampered-with data, and outright lying about the grand scam of “Climate Change/Global Warming.”

Most recently, a group of 300 scientists is warning the U.S. Congress about fraud going on by a leading government agency charged with examining the ever-changing climate.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/exposed-why-the-global-warmingclimate-change-industry-is-a-scam-meme?utm_source=CT&utm_medium=CT&utm_campaign=CT
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September 17, 2016 3:05pm
Manolo

By hook or crook:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/david-brock-offers-money-new-dirt-donald-trump/

Hillary Clinton ally David Brock is offering to pay for new information on Donald Trump, hoping that damaging audio or video on the Republican presidential candidate will be submitted to his super PAC.

Brock, founder of the left-wing Media Matters and operator of Correct the Record super PAC, recently posted the plea on Correct the Record’s website and is referring to the project as “TrumpLeaks,” NBC News reported.
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September 17, 2016 3:28pm
Manolo

With friends like this…
http://www.politico.eu/article/sadiq-khan-backs-hillary-clinton/

Sadiq Khan, the first Muslim to become mayor of London, made his preference in the U.S. presidential election clear on Thursday night, telling reporters after an event in Chicago that he hopes Hillary Clinton wins.

Khan has verbally tangled with Donald Trump over the Republican’s proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States.
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September 17, 2016 3:31pm
Icarus

stephieboy, do you agree with Donald Trump that Obama was born in the USA ?

a. Yes
b. No

Personally I think Trump has done a great job of putting this issue to rest, after Hillary Clinton raised it while opposing Obama for election. What was she thinking I wonder.
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September 17, 2016 3:57pm
All_on_Red

I’m sure all of Hillary’s supporters want her to get well soon. They will still be there for her- ready to carry, drag, and/or wheel her to victory in November. Dead or slightly alive!
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September 17, 2016 4:12pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  lol
  
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  September 17, 2016 4:56pm
All_on_Red

I’m kidding of course. Hillary is probably fine. Her Doctor, Neurologist, team of nurses and personal Ambulance will continue to travel with her only for the fun times they can have on the Campaign trail.
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September 17, 2016 4:19pm
Icarus

STUDY: Gay Men Who Get Married Live Longer, But Not Lesbians

Great news stephieboy 🙂

Though it won’t be so great if the boys down the local Mosque learn about your dalliances !

https://www.queerty.com/study-gay-men-who-get-married-live-longer-but-not-lesbians-20130312
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September 17, 2016 4:20pm
- GoVege
  
  This is because most gay men are soft, but a fair few gay women are as tough as the toughest men and with a vicious streak.
  I’ve met many devoted male gay couples, but there is a lot of violence in many lesbian relationships.
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:39pm
  - Icarus
    
    Yes I have heard about Lesbian DV.
    
    I first heard about it from a dyke I was having a few beers with. I looked it up and its a well known problem within their circles.
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:43pm
    - sam green
      
      Friend of your wife’s was she?
      
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      September 18, 2016 12:06am
GoVege

I miss Kriss X.
He was gonna walk me down the aisle…..
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September 17, 2016 4:25pm
- Icarus
  
  He has been reborn due to a wee accident with restructuring his email addresses.
  
  Now go get dinner on. Steak and eggs tonight is it ?
  
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  September 17, 2016 4:34pm
  - GoVege
    
    Thank goodness for that!
    But he better get used to tofu and vegeburgers….
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:25pm
    - Icarus
      
      How about I just eat a quirky little vegetarian ?
      
      Does that count as a vegetable ?
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:30pm
      - GoVege
        
        You’re as bad as my cat, Icarus!
        He’s always trying to take a bite out of me.
        And to think I rescued him from a cage at the SPCA.
        He’s as bad as those ungrateful refugees who expect a 10 bedroom house for their multitude of kids….(and wives)….
        
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        September 17, 2016 5:52pm
      - Icarus
        
        We will only need one bedroom.
        
        How many cats do you have, 10 ? 🙂
        
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        September 17, 2016 5:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        Only one, Icarus.
        No other cat is safe within a 5 mile radius.
        One bedroom?
        Do you realize people like us could save the planet single-handed?
        With the help of gays and vegetarians of course.
        
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        September 17, 2016 6:05pm
      - Icarus
        
        I’m a ultra minimalist with the environmental footprint of a sandfly. Don’t tell Griff 🙂
        
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        September 17, 2016 6:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have you thought of Sam Green, re marriage?
  
  I’m sure that surname would suit you.
  
  There was a time when I thought Kriss X was Sam Green, but who knows who anyone is these days?
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:04pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I’m me!
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But I’ve read numerous times here on KB that you tell lies.
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        True!
        
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        September 17, 2016 5:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I thought I was me, but now it appears you are me.
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How can I make it up to him/her?
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:13pm
  - GoVege
    
    They’ll have to legalize polyandry first, Maggie, but seeing as we’re letting in so many polygamists, I figure we need a little balance in the other direction.
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:55pm
    - Icarus
      
      You figure wrong and you won’t have the energy anyway.
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well I’ve considered getting Hubby # 2 & #3, but honestly, I can’t be shagged.
      
      I think a better arrangement would be for Hubby #1 to go Moslem and pick up 3 more wives…. I’d be happy bossing them around and spending my day in holy contemplations.
      
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      September 17, 2016 6:11pm
      - Icarus
        
        “Well I’ve considered getting Hubby # 2 & #3, but honestly, I can’t be shagged.”
        
        I see a juxtaposition in that sentence.
        
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        September 17, 2016 6:16pm
Manolo

For the record:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2eVBMURVU&feature=youtu.be&t=363
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September 17, 2016 4:30pm
Manolo

Multiculturalism doing wonders for the UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3793746/Cameroon-migrants-44k-benefits-ve-rejected-three-offers-larger-homes-humble-origins.html
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September 17, 2016 4:35pm
tom hunter

Poor Hillary…

She has called him temperamentally unfit, too dangerous for the Oval Office and ignorant about foreign policy. She has said he makes racist statements and that many of his followers are in fact racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic and Islamophobic. She has said he’s built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. She has denigrated his business record, mocked his corporate bankruptcies and accused him of stiffing small contractors.

What else has she got? How do you stage an October surprise if you’ve gone nuclear in July, August and September?

No wonder Democrats are getting nervous.

After all the stuff dumped on Trump by the Hillary camp and the media, he’s tied in the CBS/New York Times poll, trailing by 1 point in a new Fox News poll, and ahead in such crucial states as Florida and Ohio. So what should Clinton do now?

… she’s out of ammo.
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September 17, 2016 4:39pm
- mikenmild
  
  538 advises waiting a bit to see if there is anything significant happening, with Clinton still ahead in the polling averages.
  http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-democrats-should-panic-if-the-polls-still-look-like-this-in-a-week/
  
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  September 17, 2016 4:47pm
- Johnboy
  
  Milkey’s stalking you since you called him out tom! 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 4:52pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Danyl Mclauchlan
    JUNE 4, 2013 1:33PM
    …
    And don’t you clowns have jobs? Pete George: 17,696 comments. What the hell is wrong with you?
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      And that was for less that 18,000 comments.
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:02pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh come on Tom. We all know that the real problem is that Russia is trying to delegitimize US politics by portraying Hillary as a terminally corrupt insider in a terminally corrupt DC establishment funded by Corporate interests. Trumps’ bestie Putin is behind all this.It’s so unfair/ sarc
  
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  September 17, 2016 4:57pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I really think Putin is hoping Trumpie wins so the FSB can crack the codes to discover what sort of hair tonic Donald uses! 🙂
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:03pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Did you see this JB?
      Donald Trump let’s Jimmy Fallon mess up his hair.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u0BYqzdiuJc
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:09pm
- Kimbo
  
  @ tom hunter
  
  So what should Clinton do now?
  
  … she’s out of ammo
  
  There’s always the debate. You know, something like Trump saying the equivalent of:
  
  “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe.”
  
  ….although in Hillary’s case she is more likely to over-prepare and, like Al Gore, come across as “too smart” (or what non-Democratic partisans call a ‘condescending know-it-all’) and choreographed with creepy marital kisses, continual seep sighs, and “space invasions”.
  
  But I doubt either of them will have a perspiration and five o’clock shadow problem 😉
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:00pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Hillary already did her first Jerry Ford impression in that TV “interview” when she said America would not put ground troops into Iraq “ever again” or Syria (the US already has ground troops in both).
    
    The second was when she fell over!
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:11pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      My favorite Hillary ‘impression’ is the fake Black accent she used in this speech.
      What a patronising racist!
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-H9BOIYhgc
      
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      September 17, 2016 5:20pm
- Kimbo
  
  …oh yeah, and even though Hillary Clinton was accurate and amusingly sardonic, nonetheless her line regarding Obama during the 2008 Democratic primary debate:
  
  “Lifting whole passages from someone else’s speeches is not change you can believe in, it’s change you can Xerox.”
  
  …was punished for being too-obviously prepared. Plus the timing was lousy – was Democratic orthodoxy at that stage that no one was allowed to criticise Obama.
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:14pm
Manolo

Could it happen in Mt Roskill?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pakistan-honour-killing-mother-hanged-death-a7310671.html

A mother-of-three and a man were tortured and hanged from a tree in a so-called honour killing after they were accused of having an affair.

Khalida Bibi and her alleged boyfriend, 21-year-old Mohammad Mukhtar, were murdered in a family courtyard in the village of Mian Channu, in eastern Punjab province.

Pakistani police have arrested Ms Bibi’s father, husband and brother, who confessed to killing her and Mr Mukhtar for having an affair, police official Allah Ditta told the Associated Press.
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September 17, 2016 4:40pm
- All_on_Red
  
  More likely this in Mt Roskill, but never say never.
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/italian-court-rules-public-masturbation-legal-2016090916
  Your local Starbucks won’t be the same.
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:00pm
sam green

Ah the X-Men iterations are so funny to watch. But a nasty cunt will always be a nasty cunt. Can’t help himself. Shades of narcissism, yet filled with self loathing. Go back to December 5th to see the meltdown of the witness/Legio combo. ?

[DPF: Strike 1]
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September 17, 2016 4:53pm
- Icarus
  
  Stay classy sam, or at least try and fake it.
  
  I seem to recall you making equally vile comments about a woman who comments here under her real name.
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:16pm
  - sam green
    
    And a fibber to boot.
    
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    September 17, 2016 5:28pm
- sam green
  
  Happy to be reported. Happy to have called it. Happy to challenge a bully.
  
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  September 17, 2016 10:39pm
Johnboy

Two use’s of the “C” word? Give the little “C”hap a bloody good serve!
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September 17, 2016 4:58pm
- sam green
  
  What a cock you are.
  
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  June 30, 2018 12:39am
srylands

“Wild Weather Chaos”

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/84369651/Heavy-rain-floods-homes-closes-roads-as-bad-weather-hits-Wellington

There is a little bit of localised flooding. There is no chaos.

Who the fuck writes these headlines?
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September 17, 2016 5:05pm
Johnboy

I mean imagine being a shortarse like little Vlad?

Bald as a egg, looks in the mirror every morning and realises he’ll never be as handsome as Yul Brynner!

If Trumpie wins Vlad knows that his spies will have Don’s secret of eternal hair within hours.

If Hillary wins all Vlad can hope for is the secret of her diet so he can get a really fat arse as well! 🙂
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September 17, 2016 5:15pm
wikiriwhis business

So I was told P Dunne should definitely lose his seat for having 0% thresh hold
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September 17, 2016 5:28pm
wiseowl

What an appalling person.
Equal opportunities.
Ban this bloody commission.
Rugby is being targeted bigtime and the idiots are caving in.
Get a female on the board of your naughty organisation or we will harass the hell out of you.
The anti male Blue is sure of that.
Well I say rugby should not be played by women.Get out of our game and stick to netball.
How bloody infuriating.
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September 17, 2016 5:46pm
nasska

Ten things more trustworthy than Hillary:

1. Newspaper horoscopes
2. Andrew Little’s explanations about polls.
3. Homoeopathic “medicine”
4. Tapwater in Havelock North
5. AGW
6. Email from Nigerian widows
7. Pyramid schemes
8. Men of the Cloth near small boys
9. “Free” vacations
10. Full & final ToW settlements.
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September 17, 2016 5:52pm
- GoVege
  
  That last one is pretty funny, nasska!
  
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  September 17, 2016 5:58pm
Icarus

Time For a Cull… Global Warmers Lied – Polar Bears Enjoy Boom, Not Bust

It wasn’t that long ago that ~~global warming~~ climate change junk scientists were pushing their tripe on the American public on almost a daily basis.

The polar bear free fall was a classic:

…..Now, to top it all off, we find out the scientists who first reported on drowned polar bears is under investigation and likely fabricated the story.
It’s about time for a cull, wouldn’t you say?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/time-for-a-cull-global-warmers-lied-polar-bears-enjoy-boon-not-bust/
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September 17, 2016 6:19pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I could do with a nice fluffy rug.
  
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  September 17, 2016 6:28pm
  - Icarus
    
    An interesting presentation. It would be lost on you know who.
    A good channel this:
    
    Is Most Published Research Wrong?
    
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    September 17, 2016 6:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Peer Review is as only as good as the ‘Peers’ let it be.
      
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      September 17, 2016 6:37pm
      - Icarus
        
        Yes. The scientific method is the best thing we have, but it is not perfect. Its just the best.
        
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        September 17, 2016 6:40pm
Griff

Gibbering at the walls not going to help parrot.
The anti science nuts have lost and dont matter at all..
Climate change target announced
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/climate-change-target-announced

New Zealand will commit to a new, more ambitious climate change target, Climate Change Issues Minister Tim Groser announced today.

“This target is to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions to 30 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030,” Mr Groser said. “This is a significant increase on our current target of five per cent below 1990 emission levels by 2020.”

New Zealand will submit the target to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. All countries are expected to table targets as part of work towards a new climate change agreement, due to be concluded in Paris in December.

“While New Zealand’s emissions are small on a global scale, we are keen to make a fair and ambitious contribution to the international effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and avoid the most harmful effects of climate change,” Mr Groser said.
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September 17, 2016 6:35pm
- Icarus
  
  Why Most Published Research Findings Are False.
  
  Hear it straight from the horses mouth of the scientists themselves.
  
  http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
  
  http://www.stat.cmu.edu/~ryantibs/journalclub/ioannidis.pdf
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q
  
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  September 17, 2016 6:38pm
  - Griff
    
    Dumb and dumber gibbeirng about peer review .
    What a couple of losers.
    There is one famous case of pal review.
    It resulted in half the journals editors resigning in disgust at the crap that had been published by one editor for his pals .
    
    Skeptics Prefer Pal Review Over Peer Review: Chris de Freitas, Pat Michaels And Their Pals, 1997-2003
    
    http://www.desmogblog.com/skeptics-prefer-pal-review-over-peer-review-chris-de-freitas-pat-michaels-and-their-pals-1997-2003
    
    Snigger all right all on red .
    Snigger at losers like you .
    
    http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9444.php
    The Paris Agreement was opened for signature on 22 April 2016 at a high-level signature ceremony convened by the Secretary General in New York. At that ceremony, 174 States and the European Union signed the agreement and 15 States also deposited their instruments of ratification.
    Currently, there are 180 signatories to the Paris Agreement. Of these, 27 States have also deposited their instruments of ratification, acceptance or approval accounting in total for 39.08 % of the total global greenhouse gas emissions.
    
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    September 17, 2016 7:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hahahaaha, naive fool. Check out actually what China and India has promised.
      Shouldn’t you be over on WUWT being made a fool of?
      How does it feel having an International reputation as an idiot!
      Well earned I say!?
      
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      September 17, 2016 7:06pm
- Icarus
  
  The claim that “most published research findings are false” is something you might reasonably expect to come out of the mouth of the most deluded kind of tin-foil-hat-wearing-conspiracy-theorist.
  
  Indeed, this is a statement oft-used by fans of pseudoscience who take the claim at face value, without applying the principles behind it to their own evidence.
  
  It is however, a concept that is actually increasingly well understood by scientists. It is the title of a paper written 10 years ago by the legendary Stanford epidemiologist John Ioannidis.
  
  The paper, which has become the most widely cited paper ever published in the journal PLoS Medicine, examined how issues currently ingrained in the scientific process combined with the way we currently interpret statistical significance, means that at present, most published findings are likely to be incorrect.
  http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/believe-it-or-not-most-published-research-findings-are-probably-false
  
  Dr AoR, Maggy and myself tried to warn you Griff 🙂
  
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  September 17, 2016 6:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The psychobabblers are the real shockers…
    
    Most of their guff is unable to be replicated
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/?no-ist
    
    Basically, if a scientific result can’t be replicated by an independent worker, then it’s not science.
    
    (and saying all your results/data got lost in a computer foul-up, ain’t science, either)
    
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    September 17, 2016 6:59pm
    - Icarus
      
      Pretty much all studies of humanity are unreliable due to political correctness.
      
      Only approved “findings” are allowed.
      
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      September 17, 2016 7:00pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Have lost’
  Snigger.
  Governments realise how low Climate Change is in people concerns and are now just playing lip service to the voting bloc which still screams about it. And that’s a small bloc. They throw a bit of funding at it to keep those votes. The rest of us know it’s pointless and get on with our lives. The Climate War is over- apart from the odd nutter still hiding in the jungle and fighting their imaginary war.
  
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  September 17, 2016 6:53pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I shouldn’t think the anti-science nutcases have lost just yet, when they have a presidential candidate firmly on their side in la-la land.
    
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    September 17, 2016 6:56pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Meh, Clinton will just get ignored by China, Russia, India and (back of the queue) UK- as usual.
      
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      September 17, 2016 6:58pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I was just reading something today about how completely opposed to science Trump is:
      – anti-vaxxer
      – calls climate change a hox
      – denies there is a drought in California
      – wants to sell national parks
      – thinks NASA’s efforts make America look this a third world nation.
      
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      September 17, 2016 7:03pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Evidence? Video clips of him saying it would be good
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:10pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Sigh. Really?
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Really, although I do realise the effort it took for you to write that long a post…
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:18pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Place yourself on the sliding scale of denial:
        1 – Not only deny global warming, but insist the opposite is occurring. This probably goes beyond denialism and verges on the psychotic.
        2 – Simply deny global warming is happening — and maintain that no action is necessary — an increasingly uncommon position.
        3 – Global warming is happening, but it’s not caused by humanity — so we don’t have to change anything.
        4 – Global warming is happening, and it is in part caused by humanity, but mostly it’s caused by solar activity — so we don’t have to change anything.
        5 – Global warming is happening, and it is in part caused by humanity, but predicting future emission levels is equivalent to astrology — so we don’t have to change anything
        6 – Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, but it may be a good thing — so we don’t have to change anything
        7 – Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it may be a bad thing, but [insert emotional appeal and/or false dichotomy about how doing anything about it would prevent the world’s poor from improving their lives] — so we don’t have to change anything
        8 – Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it may be a bad thing, but there are still more serious crises that deserve higher priority — so we don’t have to change anything
        9 – Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but China and India aren’t doing anything — so we don’t have to change anything
        10 – Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, and maybe China and India are willing to do something, but I’ve heard about this new energy source/technology that’s going to completely solve the problem in 10-20 years — so we don’t have to change anything
        11 – Global warming is happening, it is caused by humanity, it is a bad thing, but even if China and India do something it’s too late for us to do anything and it would cost us a shitload of dough — so we don’t have to change anything
        12 – Global warming was happening, it was caused by humanity, it is a very bad thing and previous governments could and should have done something, but it’s too late now!
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No no no, evidence of Trump saying those things- thanks
        http://Www.youtube.com
        Off you go
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:29pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, you’ve found YouTube. Now, there is this wonderful search engine called Google. Should you be able to master than in between licking the screen, you may be able to find things like this:
        http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/16/donald-trump-on-science
        Let me know if you get stuck on any big words.
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:43pm
      - Icarus
        
        ”
        – thinks NASA’s efforts make America look this a third world nation.”
        
        Actually the third world is moving ahead since our favourite African shut down the space program.
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:24pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      At 24879 comments on here I bow to your dedication to completely having no life, so I guess you know your way round the inter web thingy.
      i suppose your sex life happens online too.?
      Must do.
      
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      September 17, 2016 7:54pm
  - Icarus
    
    Now days it is mainly driven by the lunatic fringe, self interested parties and those with political agendas.
    
    Nobody with a reputation worth defending wants anything to do with it.
    
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    September 17, 2016 7:03pm
Griff

Here’s what happens when you try to replicate climate contrarian papers
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00704-015-1597-5

Among papers stating a position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW), 97 % endorse AGW. What is happening with the 2 % of papers that reject AGW? We examine a selection of papers rejecting AGW. An analytical tool has been developed to replicate and test the results and methods used in these studies; our replication reveals a number of methodological flaws, and a pattern of common mistakes emerges that is not visible when looking at single isolated cases. Thus, real-life scientific disputes in some cases can be resolved, and we can learn from mistakes. A common denominator seems to be missing contextual information or ignoring information that does not fit the conclusions, be it other relevant work or related geophysical data. In many cases, shortcomings are due to insufficient model evaluation, leading to results that are not universally valid but rather are an artifact of a particular experimental setup. Other typical weaknesses include false dichotomies, inappropriate statistical methods, or basing conclusions on misconceived or incomplete physics. We also argue that science is never settled and that both mainstream and contrarian papers must be subject to sustained scrutiny. The merit of replication is highlighted and we discuss how the quality of the scientific literature may benefit from replication.
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September 17, 2016 7:05pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Sigh, you are right Icarus, it’s a virus which cuts and pastes.
  
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  September 17, 2016 7:21pm
Griff

Isn’t it funny mike
Three little anti science nutters trying to convince themselves that they are right .

Every significant scientific body on the planet 193 country’s 97 % of the peer reviewed literature in climate science, the world bank, the world meteorological society , NASA, The world health organization etc etc etc .

Yet we have three little DK sufferers thinking climate change is a hoax.
You have to wonder at what drugs you need to be that deluded.
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September 17, 2016 7:20pm
- mikenmild
  
  AoR is a particularly perverse case, as he pretends to be onside with the science while lapping up every strand of denialism. In the same way, he pretends to be neutral in the presidential race, but clearly adores Trump.
  
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  September 17, 2016 7:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Nup, I’m a Luke Warmer when it comes to ‘climate’ and would be in that 97%. Agree I’m not an extreme nutter like my good friend Gwiffy.
    As for the US, let’s just say I’d probably stay home and not vote but am very bemused at the lack of morals exposed by those who support Clinton.
    And you? Got the guts to actually have an opinion or still happy to hide and just be a smarmy little arsehole ?
    Found that evidence yet?
    
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    September 17, 2016 7:41pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m always quite upfront about my opinions.
      Climate change, is real, and requires urgent action to avoid catastrophic effect.
      Trump and Clinton are awful candidates. Trump would be easily the less preferable though, through his combination of ignorance, bigotry and unsettled temperament. Don’t really want to see a thin-skinned, short-fingered vulgarian with those nuclear codes.
      
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      September 17, 2016 7:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Climate change is real alright, not so sure about urgent action needed as in deindustrialise or even the hubris required to think anyone could make a difference . Reduce pollution sure. Stop destroying forests sure, stop soot from coal sure
        Yes, both are awful. I reckon Clinton is worse. Lying corrupt c**t. She is useless. And has a real record as a warmonger. She is the scary one.
        Trump is an idiot but his intent is more pure than the Clintons.
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:00pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Trump’s intent on entering the race was to raise his profile for a better TV deal. He’s not remotely interested in being president, having already said the VP will be in charge of ‘foreign and domestic policy’.
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:06pm
    - Griff
      
      You are not in the 97% all on red you are a fringe nut who gets information from known and proven sources of bullshit .
      You are someone who is in denial yet when cornered makes bullshit claims at being reasonable.
      A coward……
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Still lying about me, lol.
        So funny that millions of WUWT viewers know you are an idiot and made you look stupid!
        You’re famous!
        And all your own work. ?
        Sorry , but I can’t stop laughing about that. I never read WUWT and therefore never read the comments but man, you really are such a dick!
        I must check it out again to see you get dealt to like you were pasted the other day
        Hahahahaha hahahahaha
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:07pm
      - Griff
        
        Yes all on red
        wuwt
        Is a site full of whakos who believe totally contradictory things from one post to the next by such gibbering nuts as lord Monckton and Tim Ball.
        Here you are claiming to be in the 97% one minute then the next saying I get my arse kicked at such a place full of loony.
        You are so stupid you dont even see the contradiction .
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:14pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Trump’s intent on entering the race was to raise his profile for a better TV deal. ‘
      Seriously? He doesn’t need it, he already has the profile. Thought you were better than that. Now you are being silly.
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:11pm
      - mikenmild
        
        http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/300499/trump-nbc-apprentice-negotiation-michael-moore/
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        That’s not evidence show us where Trump actually said it. Not just what a couple of people think.
        Especially Michael Moore and the NBC guy h and a falling out with
        Sheesh.
        I’m starting to think you’re as gullible and dumb as Stephie
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:26pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘You have to wonder at what drugs you need to be that deluded.’
  What have you got?
  
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  September 17, 2016 7:43pm
All_on_Red

And does that 97% agree with your 6C by 2100?
Still hiding your extremism behind reasonable statements by scientific organisation’s.
Surely you must see that we see that now? Unless you are really really stupid. Oh.
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September 17, 2016 7:24pm
- Icarus
  
  I agree that mans activities effect climate and will make it warmer.
  
  However, I am not sure it is enough to worry about and may be insignificant when considered in conjunction with natural variations we barely understand.
  
  Climate is a very very complex system.
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:18pm
Manolo

Fans of the crook are worried:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/hillary-clinton-voters.html?_r=0
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September 17, 2016 7:27pm
dave_c_

So, where is the real Hilary ?
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September 17, 2016 7:57pm
- nasska
  
  Probably pickled in formalin until after the election.
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:02pm
All_on_Red

Encore- comments to Griff from Maggy’s link to WUWT
‘Griff,
That’s called a straw-man argument. Look it up. The fact that you would stoop to such tactics means that you have no cogent arguments. This is why you are mostly ignored here.’

‘Anyone ever notice how Griff, just loses perspective of the article and discussion then wanders off in his hunt for assumptions and conspiracies?
If his writing was a little more obtuse, he could be Loserandownsky researching his next fabrications.’

‘I gather, that you Griff, with your usual total lack of reading comprehension did not read the comments.’

‘Absolute confirmation that griffypoo, never reads the articles or most comments.’

‘Read the article griffy, before making grossly wrong statements.’

Ouch!
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September 17, 2016 8:16pm
Griff

Yip all on red really really stupid.
I dont think you realize that Griff is actually a common name .
Griff at wuwt is not me .
Neither is the E Griff at the guardian who comments on climate change.
But if it makes you feel better about being stupid .
yip whatever ……
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September 17, 2016 8:22pm
Icarus

Maggy Wassilieff

Actually, I didn’t bring up the topic of “Griff” commenting on WUWT. If you read through last night’s post, you will see Griff accused all_on_red of lying about being the “Griff” on WUWT.

I noticed a “Griff” was quite prolific on WUWT during the last time he was banned from Kiwiblog.

What a funny coincidence, I thought, back then. Two “Griffs” ever so interested in the same aspects of the Global Warming debate.
Who would have thunk it?
===========================

Got a link ? 🙂

FOUND IT Bwwwwhahahahaha. We are talking it easy on Griff 🙂
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September 17, 2016 8:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well if you are interested in Walruses, Arctic Ice or
  Anthrax in Siberia check out the comments in these:
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=walrus
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/02/claim-climate-caused-the-russian-anthrax-outbreak/
  
  I especially loved Sweet Old Bob’s comment in the Anthrax article
  “Google pingo”
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:32pm
  - Icarus
    
    We clearly need to raise our game. The bar has been raised for Griff correction/education 🙂
    
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    September 17, 2016 8:36pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      As the House Dr I prescribe a nice big Whale steak, with a side order of GM fries and corn, washed down with wine from a Medieval Warm Period vineyard, all consumed in front of a nice cosy coal fire.
      Either that or we use an electric cattle prod.
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:50pm
      - Icarus
        
        I think we can use all your ideas. We can set up a table when Griff gives his public talk. We can set fire to a giant heap of car tyres in his honour.
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:08pm
  - Griff
    
    ROFL
    yip maggy having the permafrost melt would never expose anthrax
    http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/f0253-deadly-anthrax-infection-spread-250-kilometres-in-15-days-due-to-mosquitoes/
    
    Still any one who reads WUWT is one might confused little wacko
    
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    September 17, 2016 8:41pm
    - Icarus
      
      Griff you got your arse kicked once on this subject over on WUWT. Don’t humiliate yourself further.
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:44pm
      - Griff
        
        http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/f0253-deadly-anthrax-infection-spread-250-kilometres-in-15-days-due-to-mosquitoes/
        Two more outbreaks of anthrax hit northern Siberia due to thawing permafrost
        By The Siberian Times reporter
        31 August 2016
        
        In each case the deadly decades-old ‘zombie’ disease originated in contaminated soil and was awakened by hot Arctic summer weather.
        
        Map global temperatures July note the hot spot .
        https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201607
        Map Yamalo note it is where the hot spot is.
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Yamalo-Nenets_in_Russia.svg/2000px-Yamalo-Nenets_in_Russia.svg.png
        
        Gibbering whackos batman
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Wouldn’t be anything to do with Russia stopping their anthrax vaccination programme on the Yamal Peninsula then?
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/12/daily-kos-eschews-anthrax-basic-epidemiology-embraces-climate-fear-mongering/
      
      Gosh, talk about coincidence…..
      That OTHER Griff has already commented on this article in WUWT.
      
      How spooky is that?
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:51pm
      - Icarus
        
        Maggy, I wonder if its a conspiracy by the oil companies, along with their conspiracy to destroy the world and hide the terrible truth ?
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:58pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Icarus
        
        If it is a conspiracy by the oil companies, should we:
        1. spill the beans and warn the world
        2. bribe the oil companies and ask for some loot to keep schtum, or
        3. set up a Gaia-colony for like-minded souls ?
        
        Awaiting your further instructions (coz I’m just a female and can’t be trusted to think for myself).
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:10pm
      - Icarus
        
        Maggy I work on contract and charge by the world.
        
        [ This post sponsored by Exxon – energy for life
        
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        September 17, 2016 9:14pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Our’ Griff has posted about the Anthrax on here before too..
    Same link iirc
    Also the lack of capitals when he starts a sentence is a giveaway as well.
    And the ……
    Caught!
    
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    September 17, 2016 8:43pm
    - Icarus
      
      Yes it is him alright.
      
      He is a sucker for punishment I will give him that.
      
      WUWT is the worlds premier climate change site and our Griff has exposed his lunacy to the world 🙂
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        285,000,000 views! He’s famous!
        Legend.
        
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        September 17, 2016 8:53pm
    - Icarus
      
      He should give a public talk or something. I would gladly pay for front row seats to that.
      
      It would make Penny Bright’s incoherent melt downs look sane and measured.
      
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      September 17, 2016 8:56pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Be easy to go back, just check the date he got banned and search from there. Actually I never accused Griff of being on WUWT. He is confused about that as I never read it. Until now ?
  I used to read Bishop Hill but the Bish has been quiet. Why would I bother? The war is won.
  Looking at watt he wrote though the fist looks the same, you know, the one he uses when he is trying to spell proper.
  
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  September 17, 2016 8:33pm
Griff

‘Due to the wide spread of anthrax in the past, almost the entire territory of Yamal district is dangerous in terms of anthrax,’ said a report from the All-Russian Research Institute of Veterinary Virology and Microbiology, part of the Russian Agricultural Academy.

The soil originally became infected because of numerous anthrax outbreaks, specifically in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

The causative agent of anthrax fell into the soil with the secretions of sick (livestock) and the corpses of dead animals,’ stated the report.

Abnormally high temperatures in the Arctic this summer led to the thawing.

‘The spread of the disease among reindeer was caused by old soil disease spots, which melted as a result of abnormal heat,’ the agency said in a report released on Wednesday.

There had been no outbreak of anthrax in Yamal since 1941 before this summer’s outbreak.

Lets see some nobody on WUWT .
Or the All-Russian Research Institute of Veterinary Virology and Microbiology, part of the Russian Agricultural Academy.
Hard to decide who to believe.
If you have the critical thinking skills of a retarded six year old.
Looking at you maggie love…….
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September 17, 2016 9:06pm
- Icarus
  
  Griff you were proven wrong about this on the worlds premier climate site. Are you inviting us to follow your example and cut and past from other sites ?
  
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  September 17, 2016 9:12pm
All_on_Red

Lol, he doesn’t realise we don’t give a shit about the Anthrax. And that’s he s playing pigeon chess- again.
We are too busy laughing at him.
Famous.
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September 17, 2016 9:08pm
Manolo

Pass the bong, Griff needs another one.
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September 17, 2016 9:09pm
nasska

An I-phone is just like religion…..people don’t know how it works but it gives them something to cling to in an otherwise meaningless existence.
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September 17, 2016 9:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Icarus
I’m not interested in work.

Looks like we’ll just have to muddle along and hope that the Ice Age isn’t imminent.

I’m so worried about the Arctic beginning to freeze over a couple of weeks earlier than it has before.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/09/15/arctic-ice-growing-rapidly/
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September 17, 2016 9:24pm
Griff

ROFLMAO
You guys are so deluded .
All on red has learned a new phrase.
pigeon chess .
pity he hasn’t learned what it means .

Here all on red get an adult to explain what it means .

“”Debating ~~creationists~~climate change deniers on the topic of ~~evolution~~climate change is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess
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September 17, 2016 9:24pm
All_on_Red

Says Griff as he desperately tries to crap on the board to cover up the hammering he has got- lol
Pretty soon he’ll figure out he may as well have a meltdown to get a ban so he can escape being laughed at.

Edit, Griff plays this little game where he thinks that if he’s the last one to comment he wins! Yeah, I know, it’s childish. But that’s Gwiffy
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September 17, 2016 9:31pm
Griff

Actually all on red I am having a ball
Maggie is posting dribbles from the whacko sphere and you are gibbering like a loon.
Well bugger me its been the second lowest arctic sea ice melt on record and probably the second lowest in century’s. We have seen the warmest year in at lest the last two hundred and probably many thousands of years and you guys think its some how heading towards an ice age .
You are not kicking my arse
The arse is you and your little anti science mates along with your collective delusional approach to the world around you.
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September 17, 2016 9:41pm
All_on_Red

Wow, what an idiot.
I’m not kicking your arse, can’t be bothered proving you are wrong and getting drawn into a debate with you. Others have done that already.
I’m just having fun laughing at you. You deserve it cause you’re such a Wanker – and famous for it now too.
?
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September 17, 2016 9:47pm
Griff

Dear dear
The language all on red
I make you all wobbly
When you get all wobbly out comes the real all on red.
wanker fuckwit etc etc etc little loser spiting out abuse Because he has been made to look stupid yet again .
Any minute now it will be you misunderstanding about AS to try to get back at me.
It just makes me laugh louder all on red I have you worked out.
People like you by their stupidity have delayed action on climate change for years.Your children will pay the price
What I think of you maggie kea et al is not going to be repeated on this blog. I hope your family look at you the same way someday .
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