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Paulus Gnome

Something to smile about from a local paper in Auckland on a bit of an overcast spitty rain morning.

‘Dear Mr Little, I am writing to you as the chief of staff in the Labour leader’s office, a position I am filling in an interim capacity following Matt McCarten’s completely strategically planned unexpected relocation to Auckland. It has come to my attention that a TVNZ poll is about to be published, which is pretty shithouse as far as we’re concerned, and requires a response underlining our comparatively benign internal polling. I am copying in the chief press secretary for thoughts. Warmest regards.’

‘We can’t call it “shithouse”, that won’t play with middle New Zealand. Suggest eg sham, bogus, codswallop, lamestream, sheeple, clickbait, hocus pocus, criminal, treasonous, a basket of deplorables, or similar. They say don’t pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel but according to our data team TVNZ don’t have a print product. Let’s go with “bogus”.’

Something from this provincial paper that has proved worth reading

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11710550
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September 16, 2016 8:02am
kowtow

Compulsory cultural marxism. How long before it comes to Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand.

“… every new undergraduate student at the University of Winnipeg must meet an indigenous course requirement to graduate. ”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/25/canada-universities-indigenous-studies-university-of-winnipeg
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September 16, 2016 8:04am
- ross411
  
  I was forced to do a maori class in high school. What a waste of time. It was only there to virtue signal.. “look! the kids are learning our culture!”
  
  Of course, we learnt nothing, sat through tedious nonsense, and remembered nothing.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:25am
  - cmm
    
    It would be OK if there was really Maori culture.
    
    All I can see is:
    * Some stone age basket making
    * Some roughly hewn wood carvings.
    * Haka etc (basically football hooligans yelling death threats at each other).
    * A verbal-only language that is not codified and is different from the north to the south.
    * No industry and invention – not even rudimentary metalworking that even Africa managed to develop.
    * No philosophy, no literature, no science, no architecture, nothing…
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:28am
    - ross411
      
      If I never have to see someone peacocking for attention by breaking out into a haka again, it’ll have been a good life.
      
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      September 16, 2016 9:48am
      - cmm
        
        I really thought it silly how the queen was so charmed by a bloke doing an impromptu haka outside the palace a week or two ago.
        
        He was probably shouting something like: Quake in fear, we have come to kill you. We will eat your children…
        
        If it had been a European in a comprehensible language he would have been arrested and taken for psych evaluation.
        
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        September 16, 2016 10:15am
    - itstricky
      
      The Haka is also used as a sign of respect cmm. Surely you know that already, and there’s no doubt The Queen, or any other dignitary, would be informed as such.
      
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      September 16, 2016 11:43am
      - starboard
        
        its a load of twaddle and is 10/10 on the cringe factor rating.
        
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        September 16, 2016 1:37pm
    - itstricky
      
      PS
      
      If it makes you feel like a bigger wo/man to superficially put down some other human’s combined heritage, go for it. I think it just makes you a bit of a saddo with obviously something significant missing from your life.
      
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      September 16, 2016 11:51am
- insider
  
  Been happening for years at teachers college. That’s fine but you have to give the ‘right’ answers to pass. No tolerance of academic debate, no matter how well argued.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:11am
- dime
  
  i somehow managed to spend a week or two studying the treaty every year in highschool.
  
  struck it every year in uni too doing a business degree. that was 95-97.
  
  all i remember from it is article 4 that states “gimme gimme gimme”
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:51am
oldpark

Wellingtons not too popular ex Mayor a person called Wade-Brown,has left a legacy ,as she rides off into the terrible dangerous bicycle track in Lyall Bay paid for by Wellingtons rate payers. Her legacy, a person called Justin Lester,pleading for the Wellington ratepayers to make him the next Mayor,for Wellington. Lester always supported the not very popular Wade-Brown in all her disastrous decisions,yet he has the gall to even stand for next Mayor of Wellington City.The Wellington City Council infested with Green/Labour Party councillors and defacto Mayors,needs a complete clean out, and needs to get their “MOJO” back,starting with “GOJO “Coughlan as the new Mayor.
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September 16, 2016 8:17am
- mandk
  
  Completely agree.
  
  I’m going to rank Lester 8th.
  
  Yes, even behind Ritchie and Overton 🙂
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:28am
Captain Mainwaring

These whackos have cellphones, which they charge at the local library.
Wonder where (if?) they shower.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/84286707/illegal-campers-relocate-blocks-away-from-their-previous-camp

And they plan on breeding from their dogs.
Why the F*** are they still in the news?
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September 16, 2016 8:23am
- mandk
  
  This bit from the story is interesting:
  
  “On Wednesday Salvation Army case worker Janet McDonald said the couple had received support and advice, but, “it is up to their choices whether they do that or not”.
  
  People living in cars or tents “often” were doing so by choice because they chose to spend on different things, she said.”
  
  And I thought it was all John Key’s fault.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:32am
  - ross411
    
    As most modern journalists seem to be outrage peddlers that don’t look too hard at what they’re claiming is a problem, it’s a bit odd that last part of the quote slipped through.
    
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    September 16, 2016 8:44am
    - cmm
      
      ” outrage peddlers”
      
      They’re really clickbait generators. Outrage is an easy emotional way to get people to click.
      
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      September 16, 2016 10:07am
- cmm
  
  “Why the F*** are they still in the news?”
  
  Part of the whole narrative.
  
  At least when she gets pregnant they can’t blame JK for that – he had a vasectomy.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:47am
EAD

Well it was only last week the Chinese were warning their tourists to stay away areas populated by Negroes. Of course the establishment reacted with their predictable cries of wayyycism, and lo and behold their have already been 3 deaths by vibrant youths.

The latest one is particularly shocking as 4 jigaboos stabbed to death a celebrity bodyguard so they could steal his scooter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3788515/Man-27-dies-father-injured-machete-attack-gang-trying-steal-moped-outside-house.html

Thanks dieversity & Political correctness. But remember folk – it’s Black lives that matter according to the MSM despite the fact a European person is 4,000% more likely to die at the hands of an ethnic than vice versa.

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-moral-bankruptcy-of-black-lives.html?m=0
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September 16, 2016 8:23am
- ross411
  
  Do you use these racist terms in your day to day life? Or just on anonymous blog posts where it won’t result in a thrashing and repercussions in your personal life?
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:27am
  - mikenmild
    
    I doubt he has the courage to express his Nazi viewpoints orally.
    
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    September 16, 2016 8:55am
- EAD
  
  PS: Should have put a trigger warning on for Ross & MM who are more offended by words than a cold blooded murder.
  
  That’s right – it’s only free speech when the left approve of it.
  
  The latest one is particularly shocking as 4 disadvantaged youths stabbed to death a celebrity bodyguard so they could steal his scooter.
  
  See, now we can pretend there is no problem and no commonality to all these shocking crimes in the west.
  
  PS: According to Devoy – I’m the one who has committed “everyday wayyycism, not the disdvantaged yoooofs…
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:29am
  - ross411
    
    Free speech doesn’t give you some magic shield from repercussions. When people point this out, you start waving your hands push out a few crocodile tears and wail “help I’m being oppressed. how dare you talk to me this way!?”
    
    Once again, I point out that it’s one thing for you to use these terms here, and another to stand on a street corner and shout them out.
    
    As well, you know. But moan about triggering and how some people don’t respect free speech as much as you do, and all your other nonsense.
    
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    September 16, 2016 8:48am
    - EAD
      
      If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. – George Orwell
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:57am
      - ross411
        
        The only person who has told people they can’t say something, is you telling me that it’s not okay to comment on your comments by vacuous claims that it’s hindering your free speech. The irony.
        
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        September 16, 2016 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    While I don’t personally enjoy EAD’s turn of phrase, he does raise an interesting point:
    
    Why are people more outraged by the words he uses than the fact that BLM has black blood on its hands?
    
    BLM is not pro-black-lives, it is just anti-white.
    
    If BLM really cared about black lives it would recognize that 90% of violent black deaths are due to black-on-black violence and only a tiny % are due to white cops shooting blacks.
    
    If BLM really cared about black lives they’s look at ways to fix the 90% problem rather than the 2% problem.
    
    But, no, raise this legitimate observation of fact and you’re just stomped on as racist.
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:53am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The latest one is particularly shocking as 4 jigaboos stabbed to death a celebrity bodyguard so they could steal his scooter.
  
  Stay classy EAD; “wayyycism” is a two way street, and you’ve just turned the corner into it.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:31am
  - EAD
    
    Just curious – how would you describe these cold blooded murderers KS?
    
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    September 16, 2016 8:35am
    - mikenmild
      
      ‘Non-honkies’?
      ‘Un-Aryan’?
      ‘Untermenschen’?
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:56am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      They’re scum, no matter what colour they are EAD. Just like the teenagers who bashed the elderly Asian woman in Panmure this week. Just like the son-of-a-rich-lister who punched a policewoman unconscious, then kept on punching her.
      
      Scumbaggery is colour-blind EAD. How else do you explain the likes of Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy or our very own David Gray?
      
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      September 16, 2016 9:13am
      - EAD
        
        Thanks KS,
        
        I’ll let the Chinese know not to walk after dark where these “scum” hang out.
        
        Let’s just hope they know from our coded words on what areas to avoid. If they don’t they stand about 4000% more chance of being killed.
        
        But hey, even if they do get murdered, at least they didn’t draw any conclusions about certain ethnic groups predication towards violent crime and weren’t shock, horror wayyyyycist 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2016 7:32pm
pdm

Paulus G 8.02am – the copy to the Press Secretary is going to whirl round in cyberspace for a fair while – until Labour finds someone who will be a press secretary of any type. Press Secretaries are an endangered species and they have left Labour in droves in recent months – or so I read.
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September 16, 2016 8:27am
Keeping Stock

Stand by for the Stephieboy Army to rise to the challenge of defending Hillary Clinton from a nasty October Surprise…

Hillary Clinton is in for an ‘October Surprise’ attack before the election, experts say

By Gavin Fernando
2:49 PM Thursday Sep 15, 2016

When you think of Oktoberfest, Munich is probably the first thing that comes to mind.

Thousands and thousands of people are in a single room, sculling Bavarian beer in lederhosen and cute little fedoras, right?

Yeah, not in America. In the US election, the October-fest is better known as the surprise events that are dropped at the last minute to alter the course of an election campaign, and dramatically screw with each candidate’s carefully-crafted reputation.

Well, October is nearly upon us, with the US election just over six weeks away.

And experts have warned the public should prepare for some shocking new revelations about Hillary Clinton.

Yesterday, a fresh round of hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) documents was published by Wikileaks.

Obtained by the anonymous Guccifer 2.0 hacker, the 678 megabytes of data detail the committee’s information technology infrastructure and internal reports on donors.

They also contain information regarding turnout efforts and databases used for voter identification.

Experts have suggested this could just be a taste of what’s to come, warning October will mark a month of sensitive, damaging information being released at Hillary Clinton’s expense.

According to US expert Tom Switzer from the United States Studies Centre, there has been a noted shift in the perception of Hillary Clinton over the past few months.

“Clinton is coming down,” he said. “Her image is pretty low – all those unfavourable ratings in the last month have gone up, largely due to the media’s continuing interest in her private email server, classified emails, as well as the business dealings of the Clinton Foundation.

“More emails are going to be released between now and the election,” he warned.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11710533

Stephieboy(s); rise up. Hillary needs you!
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September 16, 2016 8:28am
- ross411
  
  Another “moment of truth”, featuring once again, Julian Assange, Snowden and Kim Dotcom.. right? Yeah, they’ve got a great track record for reliability on this sort of thing.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:50am
Happychappy

I see Labour want to breed a factory line of babies to keep Labour from going extinct in future years.they are now touting a new law that will give new born mums the right to have babies without naming whom the fathers and without naming them thus allowing neither party to be penalised, resulting in the mother getting more money in their benefit.So by allowing this to happen the poor old tax payer gets landed with the feral breeding policy and another reason not to vote Labour
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September 16, 2016 8:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Suppose you saw the ‘lady’ on the news last night who had no idea who fathered her child.
  Charming.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:37am
  - SGA
    
    Sure it was the news? Perhaps you were watching the trailer to the new “Bridget Jones” movie 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:13am
- marcw
  
  This 17,000 is the start of finding their missing million. Ignore the lifetime child abuse they cause by denying their baby a father during their most important development time.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:09am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Labour once stood for family values and hard work.
  Now they stand for destruction of the family unit and people who don’t/won’t work.
  
  How the mighty have fallen.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:41am
Manolo

The progressive Pope will be opening the Vatican gates soon.
He’d gladly welcome the scum, but the Italians do not like the invasion a little bit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790974/UN-reveal-235-000-migrants-massed-waiting-cross-Mediterranean-Libya.html

Some 235,000 migrants in Libya are ready to make the dangerous Mediterranean crossing to Italy as soon as the opportunity arises, UN envoy Martin Kobler said in an interview published Thursday.

According to Italy’s interior ministry, nearly 128,400 migrants have arrived via the Mediterranean since the start of the year – which is a five percent jump over the same period in 2015.
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September 16, 2016 8:35am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Italians shouldn’t worry too much because immigrants don’t want to stay there. If they speak French or English they will go there, otherwise they will probably go to Germany because it has the most generous welfare system.
  
  Italy and Greece can go on doing a piss poor job of guarding their borders because other countries end up paying the price. That’s a big part of why Europe is failing.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:48am
  - ross411
    
    Um.. diversity? Won’t someone think of the children? It’s our fault when parents looking for a gravy train get on rickety boats to cross some water, and their kid dies?
    
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    September 16, 2016 8:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Guarding their borders? The Eyeties and other EU navies are actively bringing them in. Weird , cos the Spanish have a huge fence to keep them out.
    
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710700/migration-Morocco-Spain-refugee-crisis
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:03am
- peterwn
  
  Where would the Vatican put them – turn the Sistine Chapel into a bunkroom? As it is the Vatican probably has some of the harshest immigration rules of any nation – children of Vatican families apparently have to leave when they turn 25.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:54am
- Huevon
  
  A damn shame. I’m glad I got to see some of Europe before it disappeared. I doubt it would travel there again unless I absolutely had to (certainly not for a holiday).
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:30am
Paulus

Am I the only one who is getting nervous over the Colin Craig saga.
When I see that Jordan Williams, Hagar and Whale are involved I smell a conspiracy.
Unlike Bill Clinton, Craig did not have sex with his press secretary as far as I can see. His actions were inappropriate for which he was taken to some tribunal. A confidential financial settlement was made and confidential agreements were signed.
Who spread the words – Craig – I doubt it, so it can only have been the once admiring secretary.
Looks as though she got chewed up and spat out by egotistical Williams who then contacted everybody – Hagar ? Whale oil ?, and who else.
It then appears that the molehill became a mountain.
Get Craig whatever.
If the jury decide that he did libel Williams then $1 should be awarded.
Once pretty miss secretary and all those to this saga have destroyed Craig (for whom I have no liking however). She appears to have been manipulated for Political reasons.
Are those people who conned her going to employ her. Doubtful.
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September 16, 2016 8:38am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Am I the only one who is getting nervous over the Colin Craig saga.’
  No, I think Colin Craig is also getting nervous. Good job. What a creep.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:52am
- peterwn
  
  Even if Jordan Williams wins $1, point has been made. I doubt that Colin Craig would have made a ‘Calderbank’ offer to settle it for $10 or so, so costs would be awarded against Colin. A ‘Calderbank’ offer to settle if rejected cannot be presented in evidence at the lawsuit itself, but can be when the judge is considering costs.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:01am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Peter, unlike Paulus I spent a couple of days at the hearing. Is it not illegal to talk about matter before the Court be it criminal or civil?
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:15am
Happychappy

Andrew Little and Labours email drive on when you were a baby and to look at what number you were is obviously the start of a Labour comical series,so the next part of the series will be remember when we created Unions so would you like to sign in and see what your parents number was as it was compulsory in them days and shows how we helped them.The reason they are into this is in the 40s,50s and sixties most parents told their children who to vote for and in them days Labour actually was for the worker
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September 16, 2016 8:51am
Chuck Bird

It the bloody Law Society that brings the so called justice system into disrepute. There is no way that the aggravated assault charge should have been downgraded. More backroom plea bargaining like in the case of Moko.

Rich-lister’s son got a fair sentence, Law Society says

Criticism of the sentence given to Nikolas Delegat in the Dunedin District Court is ill-informed and unfair to the judge, the New
Zealand Law Society says.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11710279
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September 16, 2016 8:55am
- Griff
  
  The conviction has wrecked his future career prospects.
  Yes it is a pity that he was not locked up.
  The effects of his conviction will dog him for life. He has lost far more than someone who is already a loser doing a few weeks in jail.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:02am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Do you call someone a loser who may be working at an unskilled job or even an apprentice?
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:08am
    - Griff
      
      An apprentice or a unskilled worker would not find his future job prospects trashed by a conviction for assault on a cop.
      We can guarantee the fall out from this incident has effected his entire family and cost them far more than the five thousand dollar fine. His sailing club will also feel pressure to remove him from membership. I doubt he will be welcome at the club rooms or as crew on most boats. I do think he should have had a custodial sentence. I am merely pointing out his conviction will be extremely bad for his future prospects and his closest anyway.
      
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      September 16, 2016 9:22am
      - ross411
        
        Where are these guarantees? I think you’re just saying something you think is reasonable, and wishing it happens. In reality, he and his peers likely will likely go on with life as we do – and the cop will suffer longterm headaches, and life goes on.
        
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        September 16, 2016 9:54am
- metcalph
  
  Except that Delegat pled guilty to aggravated assault (3 years max). What the charge was downgraded from was aggravated injury (seven years max). The statement in the papers that Delegat was convicted of assaulting a police officer in the course of course of their duty (six months max) is bollocks according to Graeme Edgeler.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:03am
- peterwn
  
  I disagree on both points here. The problems lay at the steps of Parliament, not with the judiciary or lawyers. With Moko, those responsible could have got off scot free if the charges were downgraded. There was still scope for meaningful sentences which were imposed.
  In the police officer assault case I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the prosecutor and judge did the best they could in the circumstances. I quickly looked through the various assault crimes in the Crimes Act and ‘ordinary’ assault (one years imprisonment if laid indictably) is tho only one that seems to match. ‘aggravated assault’ is merely a label and the circumstances must meet the specific criteria laid out in that section (which it does not seem to) – hence the word ‘aggravated’ cannot itself be interpreted (as Stewart Nash assumed it could be). The offender was entitled to early guilty plea and first offender recognition. The judge would have considered imprisonment but immediately would have had switch to home detention (if not a sentence appeal would have been successful). He concluded (no doubt reluctantly) that 300 hours of community service would have had more ‘bite’ than a short term of home detention. The lawyer had no option to seek a discharge without conviction (even if laughable) so cannot be criticised for this.
  I agree, it sticks in the craw real badly (in the 1800’s or earlier he would have copped the cat), but the problem lies with the state of the Crimes Act and Sentencing Act.
  Another thing – there is potential for appeals from both sides, while this remains, Judith Collins and other Ministers need to hold their tongues. Judith would almost be seething over this. As for a journalist trying to goad John Key to get involved, this is in my opinion irresponsible journalism.
  Funny thing – there seems to be no offence of assaulting a police officer in the execution of his or her duty (which has enhanced penalties). Perhaps it existed once (England has such an offence) but got written out.
  The Government should ask the Law Commission to review assault charges and related Sentencing Act provisions with a view of law changes. It may however find that Peter Dunne or the likes may not support legislative change.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:34am
  - peterwn
    
    I cannot edit by own comment for some reason.
    “Judith would almost [certainly] be seething over this.” – ‘certainly’ added.
    I meant to say that if the offender’s lawyer is instructed to seek a discharge without conviction, the lawyer must seek it. The lawyer can advise the client that it would be a waste of time but cannot refuse such an instruction. The lawyer cannot be criticised for seeking a discharge without conviction.
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:42am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Peter I say 192 (2) would define what the least charge that should have applied. I have heard of a drunk being charged with a strike offense for pinching a police woman on the bum.
      
      There are a lot more serious charges that he could have been charged with with maximums up to 14 years.
      
      192 Aggravated assault
      
      (1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who assaults any other person with intent—
      
      (a) to commit or facilitate the commission of any imprisonable offence; or
      
      (b) to avoid the detection of himself or herself or of any other person in the commission of any imprisonable offence; or
      
      (c) to avoid the arrest or facilitate the flight of himself or herself or of any other person upon the commission or attempted commission of any imprisonable offence.
      
      (2) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who assaults any constable or any person acting in aid of any constable, or any person in the lawful execution of any process, with intent to obstruct the person so assaulted in the execution of his or her duty.
      
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      September 16, 2016 10:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    Peter: I believe you are a lawyer? If so, you either scraped through criminal law and never practised it, or you haven’t read the statement of facts in R. v Shailer and Haewera.
    
    In the opinion of three highly experienced defence and crown barristers I have consulted, NONE can believe the decision to downgrade the charges was made. One commented “this wouldn’t have touched the sides in from of a jury”, another said he wouldn’t even have bothered trying to get the charges reduced from murder to manslaughter.
    
    Despite Chris Finlayson’s “explanation”, the decision remains inexplicable
    
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    September 16, 2016 10:31am
- MH
  
  Dally-gate
  
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  September 16, 2016 2:24pm
artemisia

So the Independent Statutory Maori Board is suing Auckland City for agreeing to removing the ‘taniwha tax’ provisions from the PAUP. Very surprising and nothing at all to do with a lucrative income stream drying up I am sure. I wonder who will pay the legal bills.
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September 16, 2016 9:02am
- ross411
  
  Do you really wonder? We should all accept our place in life. Those with the royal blood, should be held in esteem and granted privilege, and receive obligatory tithes so that they may stay above the teeming masses.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:56am
  - OlderChas
    
    Should not those who were stung by the “Taniwha Tax” because council wonks decided it was law before it was “passed into law” get a refund?
    
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    September 16, 2016 10:37am
Manolo

Merkel’s disastrous legacy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790605/Mob-100-neo-Nazis-vicious-street-fight-migrants-German-riot-police-pelted-bottles-asylum-seekers-protecting.html

Refugees and neo-Nazis battled it out on the streets of an east German town on Wednesday night with police fighting to save the migrants outnumbered five to one.

It comes as German chancellor Angela Merkel continues to fight for her political life over her open-door policy on immigration with the threat of fresh gains by the right-wing populist AfD party.
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September 16, 2016 9:04am
- Hajji
  
  The forthcoming European Civil Wars (which will become known to history as the ‘Fifty Years War’ or ‘Mad Merkel’s Mayhem’) will be far nastier than the civil wars in the United States, Spain, Congo or the former Yugoslavia.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Not forthcoming , already here. Low level stuff , if you can call the Muslim outrages low level. At the moment the responses have also been low level , apart from Utoya. But arson is a favoured method in Germany. But I agree, the long history of Muslim migrations to Europe have been very violent.
    We need to avoid the obvious outcome of that migration in New Zealand and the way to do that is to severely restrict Muslim migration.Common sense really.
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:19am
kowtow

Talking of our injustice system. That bashing of the Asian woman .This is why we had the Norm Withers referendum which sent a very clear message to our rulers that we the plebs weren’t happy with how trash was being dealt with. Nothing has changed. In fact if anything it gets worse. The latest “progressive” policy change being proposed is to raise the age at the youth court.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/313075/nz-labelled-international-embarrassment-over-youth-court-age

As an aside seeing how race outrage is so de rigeur this morning, had the bashers of the Asian lady been white would our media be in their usual overdrive about racism in Aotearoa? As the wanted animals are brown, not so much.
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September 16, 2016 9:10am
- Hajji
  
  @ kowtow.
  
  Animals don’t behave like that.
  
  Those bitches are feral human scum.
  
  Huge difference!
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:14am
- Happychappy
  
  These are the same riff raff that Labour and the Greens call homeless and being ripped off by National. Please tell me how they can drive this car around and not be seen by friends or family that would know there would be no way they could afford a vechicle as new as that was
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:15am
  - sooty
    
    Police should pull over ferals in a flash car.
    
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    September 16, 2016 11:02am
Manolo

Urgent meeting in Mt Roskill:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/296189-polls-darken-for-democrats

One survey showed Trump swinging to a lead in Nevada, a state that President Obama carried with ease during both of his presidential campaigns. And a poll of Iowa, which has only gone for the GOP nominee once in the last seven elections, found Trump ahead by 8 points.

The swing in national polls is equally dramatic.
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September 16, 2016 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , this latest NY Times poll taken an hour ago shows to the contrary ,
  
  Hillary 44% Trump 42 %
  
  Remarkable considering her health issues, emails Clinton Foundation , Benghazi and for example Dinesh D’Souza’a crude propaganda flick , “Hillary’s America “
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Link needed.
    
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    September 16, 2016 11:45am
stephieboy

Keeping Stock at 8.28am,

First, we need to recall that Julian Assange and others like Breitbart have been promising for the several months’ emails that will deliver the killer blow aginst Hillary Clinton,

My next leak will ensure Hillary Clintons arrest ,

( 24th July )

http://yournewswire.com/julian-assange-my-next-leak-will-ensure-hillarys-arrest/

Waiting, waiting , waiting !

Meanwhile you might wish to address these points one at a time ,

“Nine Times Reporters Botched The Facts On Hillary Clinton’s Emails”

Let us look at but one ,

6 The Hill Repeated False Claim That Clinton Aides’ Emails Suggested Clinton Dealt With Clinton Foundation Donors As Secretary Of State

The Hill: Emails Show Clinton “Addressed Clinton Foundation Donor Commitments” While Secretary Of State. The Hill reported on documents and emails the conservative group Judicial Watch released regarding Clinton’s interaction with the Clinton Foundation while secretary of state, along with the group’s claim that it showed “Clinton addressed Clinton Foundation donor commitments during the Clinton Global Initiative [(CGI)] Closing Plenary in September 2009.” From the March 22 report (with original text):

But The Emails In Question Dealt With Commitments To Action, Not Donors…”

In passing also 7 the Washington Post claimed there were 147 agents deployed on the case which was greatly exaggerated and had to publish a correction. The number, in fact, was fewer than 50

Keeping Stock ,again shall we go through them one at a time including the above ?

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/07/05/nine-times-reporters-botched-facts-hillary-clintons-emails/211339
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September 16, 2016 9:30am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Let’s just wait and see if Assange makes good on his promise Stephieboy. With the US not going to the polls until 8th November, he will want to keep his powder dry for a while yet, I suspect.
  
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  September 16, 2016 11:25am
Rich Prick

Hillary’s Doctor Report:
Hillary ██████ is ███ ███████ ██ fine █████████ ██ ██████ ███ she █████ ███████ ████ does ██████not ████ fall ███down█████ █████ ███much █████ now.
~Dr. Parkinson
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September 16, 2016 9:33am
stephieboy

Rich Prick , our local version of Dr OZ or is it Quack ??

Your medical training and qualifications especially Neurolgy ?
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September 16, 2016 9:36am
- Rich Prick
  
  Awww sooo sorry. Humourless git. Although Hillary’s health is a pretty serrious issue, I suppose.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick ( or is it Dr Quackery ) , pretty lame attempt at humour .
    
    Try this ,
    
    http://images.iimg.in/c/56d7fc04c45d3252ac8b45a9-4-501-0-1456995342/donald-trump-and-the-silly-jokes.img?crop=1
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:43am
- AgentBallSack
  
  At least RP can spell Neurology.
  Piss off stephiebitch adults are talking.
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:04am
cha

eww

http://www.thewrap.com/dr-oz-show-edits-out-creepy-donald-trump-comment-about-kissing-daughter-ivanka/
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September 16, 2016 9:57am
- mikenmild
  
  Kisses her ‘every chance he gets’.
  If she wasn’t his daughter, he’d ‘probably be dating her’
  Uber-creep.
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:16am
  - cha
    
    Lots of smoke with a whiff of MAD.
    
    In 2010, Epstein pled the Fifth when asked by a lawyer representing one of Epstein’s victims about his relationship with Trump:
    
    Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
    A. What do you mean by “personal relationship,” sir?
    Q. Have you socialized with him?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Yes?
    A. Yes, sir.
    Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
    A: Though I’d like to answer that question, at least today I’m going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.
    
    https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton
    
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    September 16, 2016 10:26am
    - tom hunter
      
      Chuckle. Seriously – you guys want to raise the subject of Jeffrey Lotlita-Express Epstein? How many flights did Bill take with him?
      
      Bill as already damaged goods and the weapon still usable against Trump. It might work – if one can pretend Hillary didn’t know.
      
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      September 16, 2016 10:49am
      - cha
        
        MAD – makes the greatest show on earth even better, Tom.
        
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        September 16, 2016 10:54am
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m waiting for the debate where Trump talks about controlling his incestuous lust and Clinton gets to talk about keeping her husband on the front porch.
        
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        September 16, 2016 11:01am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The flight logs show Bill Clinton took 10 ( some sources have said 22) Flights on the ‘Lolita Express’.
        Trump does not appear on any Flight Logs. Hardly a surprise he knew Epstein. They were both prominent in NY and would have met at the same events.
        Desperation is a stinky cologne huh when you scrape this low to attempt a smear.
        
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        September 16, 2016 11:41am
    - tom hunter
      
      Still my favourite photo of Bill and an admirer
      
      Yowser! Those hands are just aching to reach around and grab those melons.
      
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      September 16, 2016 11:50am
  - tom hunter
    
    I have a puppy in my van
    
    Joe, We Need to Talk About the Way You Touch Women
    
    And just one heartbeat away from the Presidency for the last eight years, but hey, That’s jus’ ole’ Joe – chuckle”
    
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    September 16, 2016 11:02am
Reid

The problem isn’t that Hillary is an unethical, corrupt, lying, criminal dirtbag – everyone knows that.

The problem is that her supporters don’t care.
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September 16, 2016 10:00am
G152

Looks like Colon has several more defamation/libel cases to answer in the wings…
Looks creepy
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September 16, 2016 10:01am
Manolo

Who is paying for the strippers at the philanderer’s bash?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-foundation-wont-disclose-donors-for-bill-clintons-party/article/2601967

The Clinton Foundation has no plans to reveal who is paying for a lavish birthday party Friday for former President Bill Clinton, a spokesman said just hours after Donna Shalala, president of the foundation, indicated that it would.
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September 16, 2016 10:02am
Happychappy

The thing i like is the Colin Craig saga has sucked all the air out of the Fat Germans appeal. All we need now is when his fitting for the orange overalls takes place
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September 16, 2016 10:02am
- Reid
  
  It disturbs me how so many are completely ignorant of the insidious overtone of this corporate-inspired back-door instigation of govt power over individuals. Hollyweird studios excercised influence over politicians who excercised influence over law enforcement agencies. That’s what this is.
  
  Isn’t it.
  
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  September 16, 2016 11:30am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Possibly Reid. But in this case we are all quite happy with ‘this corporate-inspired back-door instigation of govt power over individuals’ as we all want the slimy thieving German prick to fuck off out of our Country.
    I’m looking forward to the morons at the Internet Party starve from a lack of funding too.
    I see Hone has seen the writing on the wall, judging by the way he’s started greasing up the Maori Party.
    
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    September 16, 2016 11:57am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well it cost him big time to test who is right ,so you could donate his cause if you think he is squeaky clean. Every person is entitled to their opinion
    
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    September 16, 2016 1:46pm
stephieboy

Reid and coy , a reminder ,

‘Hillary’s America’ Review: Dinesh D’Souza Indulges in More Confirmation Bias

This “secret history” of the Democratic party merely rehashes the usual Fox News talking points, and D’Souza never met a straw man he couldn’t topple

Dinesh D’Souza‘s third documentary, “Hillary’s America,” is subtitled “The Secret History of the Democratic Party,” but the movie strains the definitions of both “secret” and “history.” In its first hour, D’Souza lays out a series of past crimes that “Democratic historians” have purportedly tried to cover up, like the Democratic party’s founding by slave-owning president Andrew Jackson — a detail so closely guarded it’s on Jackson’s Wikipedia page.

In its second, having undermined Democrats’ historical claim to the moral high ground, D’Souza attempts to drag Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton into the mud, mostly by associating them with their party’s past. “The Democratic Party,” he says, “is the party of the Trail of Tears, slavery, and opposition to equal rights under the law.” Obama and Clinton are Democrats. Case closed…

Rebutting D’Souza’s individual claims — that Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger viewed abortion primarily as a tool for the extermination of African-American children; that LBJ said his primary goal in pushing civil rights legislation was to “have them n—-s voting Democrat for the next 200 years” — is beyond the scope of a movie review, especially since the movie rarely backs them up with citations or even arguments. Instead, D’Souza and Schooley literally create their own history, using re-enactments to stage their own version.

It’s one thing to do this for the pre-television era, but very different when the film moves into a time when there’s ample footage, if not the kind that makes D’Souza’s point as neatly as he likes. And it’s a third, even less scrupulous thing, for D’Souza to re-enact his own criminal trial and subsequent incarceration for violating campaign finance laws, a sentence he claims was motivated by the success of his anti-Obama documentary. It’s pretty easy to claim judicial bias when you’re directing the actor playing your judge. Worse, these re-enactments aren’t presented as such: D’Souza and Schooley slap fake news-network graphics on top and give it the low-res look of real courtroom footage, which could easily dupe a less skeptical audience…”

http://www.thewrap.com/hillarys-america-review/

It receives a pasting and panning at Rotten Tomatoes ,

4 %

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hillarys_america_the_secret_history_of_the_democratic_party/

Enough said!
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September 16, 2016 10:23am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Enough said!
  
  You don’t really mean that do you, stephiebitch?
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    Agent Balls Up , do you enjoy dining on the above kind of crap that Dinesh D’Souza dishes up ?
    
    Don’t you think Trump consorting with Jeffery Epstein as per cha’s post above is revolting ?
    
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    September 16, 2016 10:30am
  - tom hunter
    
    It’s a great example of the base, wooden-headed, partisan stupidity of doddering old Stephieboy that he never found Bill’s treatment of woman – including flying on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” party flights – to be “revolting”.
    
    Mind you, this is the author of that memorable description of the “ample” and “well-formed” breasts of young Muslim girls he’s seen in St Lukes shopping mall.
    
    Ewwwwwww……
    
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    September 16, 2016 11:43am
- Fletch
  
  It receives a pasting and panning at Rotten Tomatoes ,
  
  And yet, three weeks ago because of public demand the movie was re-released in 400 theatres. Rotten Tomatoes, like most things connected with the mainstream entertainment industry, is liberal. It is being released on DVD in October. Hopefully they’ll have it online like they did with Clinton Cash.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/09/02/dinesh-dsouzas-top-grossing-hillarys-america-documentary-gets-broad-re-release/
  
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  September 16, 2016 11:28am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I see the NY Times are reporting that Hillary’s new book ‘Stronger Together’ has sold less that 3000 copies in its first week. Apparently that few officially makes it a ‘flop’.
    I’m still shocked at how few people actually turn up to her rallies. Seriously, hardly anyone goes- that’s when she has one. Poor old thing.
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , that doesn’t take back the spurious claim by D’Souza that the Democrat party has a so-called ” secret history ” It’s hardly the case when one can go simply to Wiki and look up Andrew Jackson or the Democrat party itself etc . All the information is there . Hardly secret .
    
    Recall also Leni Riefenstahl ‘s propaganda movie the” Triumph of the Will” was also popular with the German Public back in the 1930s . Claimed popularity of” Hillary’s America ” does not make its contents true. That includes D’Souza’s community service sentence which was hardly a detention in a Gulag as he appears to suggest .
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:37pm
Manolo

BBC’s article on the ill crook:
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37323290
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September 16, 2016 10:36am
RF

If anyone had doubts about bobble head Clinton they should remember the time she mis-spoke / bull shitted about exiting an aircraft in Bosnia whilst under sniper fire.

Felt sorry for all the school kids lined up on the tarmack to greet her. Refresh my memory… Were any killed or wounded ?

FFS
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September 16, 2016 11:12am
Scott

Clinton up by just 1% in the real clear politics average. Now we have to understand that figure will not fully take into account polling after Hillary’s latest fall and also her “basket of deplorable” comment. I expect that Hillary’s numbers will go down further in the next couple of weeks.
On the other side Donald is doing a great job laying out policies, rallying the troops and not saying anything too outrageous to shock the delicate sensibilities of the mainstream media. If he can continue to be disciplined and stay on message he is going to be very hard to stop come November.
I am still predicting a Trump landslide.
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September 16, 2016 11:48am
- All_on_Red
  
  On 538, they have 5 States in ‘tip over’ point towards Trump. Odds are still over 60% for Hillary but that’s down from 80%
  What a battle.
  
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  September 16, 2016 12:06pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Nate Silver is hedging his bets, noting that Trump’s likelihood of winning is up to 34%, but cautioning:
    
    My best guess on the effect of the weekend’s news, based on what the model shows so far, is that the race is continuing to trend moderately toward Trump, when the momentum toward him might have stalled out if not for the events of the weekend. But we can’t rule out a more acute shift toward Trump or that the “Hillary’s bad weekend” meme is a false alarm — there isn’t quite enough data yet.
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:22pm
  - deadrightkev
    
    Trump will win this run home without a doubt.
    
    Only voter fraud and death stand in his way.
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:36pm
Scott

Even the mainstream media can’t help but notice that Donald is doing well –
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/14/dont-look-now-donald-trump-has-all-the-momentum-in-the-2016-race/
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September 16, 2016 11:50am
Manolo

Haven’t we seen/heard enough from this supreme moron?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/craig-denies-sending-sex-text/ar-BBwdbzl?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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September 16, 2016 11:54am
- sooty
  
  Wasnt me, it was mr x!
  
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  September 16, 2016 12:21pm
tom hunter

I appreciated this historical take on Hillary…:

In the light of the Denmark Strait experience, a hypothetically raised HMS Hood could only ever be employed inside her immunity zone, where her deck armor would not be vulnerable to plunging fire and her belt armor still proof against flat trajectory shots. Otherwise, the same result would likely occur over and over again. Since the Hillary scheduled to leave the yards is essentially the same woman that went in, the same considerations apply.

Heh!

In the same vein he also compares the way Churchill told the Royal Navy to throw everything they had at sinking the Bismarck, to the way that every Democrat has sallied forth into the media following The Collapse.

However, the article also goes a lot deeper into what all this says about America…

Why raise the Hood and not, as was the case in 1941, send the newer ships after the Bismarck? The answer – and a similar one can be constructed for Trump – is that they can’t.

Washington is now beset by a bane once exclusively associated with monarchies and authoritarianisms. Washington has a succession problem that has been growing for some time. This is astonishing for a system which once surprised Adolf Hitler by taking Franklin Roosevelt’s death in stride.

Trump and Hillary are not reasons, they’re symptoms of how the USA…

… has become unaccountably fragile for reasons that are not hard to understand. The thinning bench of the Democratic Party, the replacement of a broad national consensus by a crazy quilt of identical political issues, the weakening of constitutional constraints, and the rule of law in favor of cults of personality have all contributed to make the system unpredictable.

It is no longer the constitutionally constrained system of former times, but one dependent on the caprice and health of individual human beings. It has become like the USSR America laughed at in its last days, with Kremlin watchers eagerly waiting to see if Brezhnev could stagger to the podium without assistance.

Suddenly the politically easy things become hard. These are signs, like Hillary’s falls, of something progressively degenerative. The poverty of the presidential field is suggestive of seizure: despite the seething activity of millions of individual American who know something’s wrong all the political system can inarticulately utter is “Hillary” or “Donald.” It is almost as if the nation itself were standing beside the Scooby-Doo van of the history, helpless, waiting to be lifted by events to whatever awaited.
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September 16, 2016 12:04pm
deadrightkev

I am keen to see what the FULL PICTURE looks like after the all of the facts are heard in the Colin Craig defamation case.

I have my own picture forming of who did what and how this all came together.

Craig was mildly inappropriate with a staffer and did not uphold the staggeringly high standards demanded by all KB commentators who have past histories of pure unblemished behavior but all is not as it seems.
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September 16, 2016 12:06pm
- deadrightkev
  
  Would the downtickers like to grow a spine and debate or is that beneath your intellectual capabilities?
  
  Craig is lots of things and this is all great fun for the keyboard warrior who would not put themselves in the public eye because they have no balls but he is not known to be a liar.
  
  This clip is interesting for the body language alone http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=165386
  
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  September 16, 2016 12:33pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m not sure what you are saying there, deadrightkev. That I shouldn’t laugh at Colin Craig because I’m not myself running for public office?
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:43pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Would the downtickers like to grow a spine and debate or is that beneath your intellectual capabilities?
    
    Funny, but I recall making similar comments whenever I wanted to debate about Trump and the grim realities of the Electoral College – but all I ever get is some dimblubs croaking about national polls, landslides, Trump will piss in, how Trump will win …without a doubt and so forth.
    
    Oh and I get downticks only too.
    
    BTW – though I rarely do so to anybody, I gave your comment a downtick. But that was only because you have no sense of irony.
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:47pm
  - Griff
    
    Dead
    We down tick you because showing your uncritical adoration of the weasel is disgusting.
    The man campaigned on “conservative family values”.
    He has been exposed as having no such values to speak of.
    Hypocrites deserve what they get when they are exposed.
    
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    September 16, 2016 12:49pm
  - deadrightkev
    
    As my finishing Friday flourish I would not rule out Colin Craig making a successful comeback for the Conservatives, if and when, he is cleared of any charges regarding the defamation of Mr Jordan Williams.
    
    Craig has stayed silent throughout this harrowing ordeal and looks dead and buried but with the CP polling at 0.8% even with no leader or momentum you would be brave to bet against him rising to go one better in 2017.
    
    It is not going to take much of an effort to clean Act and UF out leaving National highly vulnerable following a post Trump election win.
    
    It could get exciting from here on in folks.
    
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    September 16, 2016 5:52pm
Manolo

Let’s keep the faith says progressive stephieboy:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/15/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-michigan-poll/90381296/

A month after it appeared the race for president in Michigan might be all but over, Donald Trump has cut deeply into Hillary Clinton’s post-convention lead, with a poll showing the Republican nominee has moved closer to tying the Democratic front-runner in a state that hasn’t backed a Republican nominee since 1988.
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September 16, 2016 12:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, not a bad result for Hillary considering her health issues and all the other crap dished out at her including Dinesh D’Souza’s latest fairy tale .
  
  The NYT poll I posted earlier puts her 44 to 42 in front .
  
  Given also the messianic and divine qualities attributed to Trump this is even more remarkable .
  
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  September 16, 2016 1:01pm
  - Manolo
    
    It is not over until the fat lady sings, or in the case of Hillary… collapses.
    I know of an Indonesian treatment that could cure her. 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2016 1:03pm
  - Fletch
    
    including Dinesh D’Souza’s latest fairy tale .
    
    Except it is no fairy tale. Do you see him getting sued by the Clintons? No, you don’t. That’s because he backs up his assertions with facts. If it were libel, the Clinton machine would have taken him to court by now.
    
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    September 16, 2016 1:20pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not a very convincing defence. Plenty of public figures do not go to court over defamatory claims, not least because of the Streisand Effect.
      D’Souza’s latest effort belongs in the bin with the rest of his rubbish.
      
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      September 16, 2016 1:34pm
  - deadrightkev
    
    Clinton has been slapped with a wet bus ticket for everything that would normally finish a candidate. Trump gets kicked left right and centre for anything he says and somethings he doesn’t say.
    
    Have you read the Royal NZ Herald lately? There is a hit job on Trump every second day. Watch Australian TV, its like Clinton is a folk hero and Trump is a monster.
    
    You talk as though Clinton is reeling from the media trashing her. She has been given a free pass on everything she has been found guilty of so far you idiot.
    
    When someone does a genuine poll like the private one done recently you will see her down in the single figures which match her supporters.
    
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    September 16, 2016 3:59pm
stephieboy

Fletch , let’s just focus on his latest effort . You agree that the “secret history” of the Democrat party is hardly a” secret” and is , in fact ,very well known .

Suing for defamation is always problematic as we are discovering with Trump’s various threats and our local one involving Colin Craig .

I wonder if Trump would dare sue over allegations over his past associations with Jeffrey Epstein. I very much doubt it.

You show us some other ” facts ” from Hillary’s America ?
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September 16, 2016 1:30pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Yet Craig IS being sued for defamation and Melania Trump IS suing the Daily Mail for defamation.
  Shows how much you know.
  What Trump Epstein allegations? That they met socially? Meh.
  
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  September 16, 2016 2:48pm
  - deadrightkev
    
    Stephie is a sad bitch.
    
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    September 16, 2016 3:53pm
Nostradamus

I’m surprised Harriet hasn’t commented on this:

Queensland Government lowers age of consent for anal sex to 16

The legal age for consensual anal sex in Queensland has been brought into line with all other lawful sexual acts, ending “archaic” legislation against homosexuals.

An amusing aspect of the article: “Health Minister Cameron Dick said the laws finally corrected an injustice and protected the health of young people”. An unfortunate surname in this context?
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September 16, 2016 1:52pm
tom hunter

How Healthy Is John McCain? His bout with melanoma after the 2000 campaign makes his health and his age election issues today. Why he’s still at risk.
—Time Magazine, May 14, 2008.

Hillary’s Health Only an Issue ‘Because She’s a Woman.’
—Time Magazine, today

It’s almost as if the MSM are not aware that Te Interwebs have destroyed ye olde Memory Holes.
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September 16, 2016 2:32pm
- Kimbo
  
  Meh.
  
  It has been happening since an “imperial presidency” by JFK and LBJ was ‘good’ and ‘necessary’,
  
  ….but under Nixon it was ‘bad’, indeed even “a threat to constitutional government”. (Ignore the entry to China, SALT, ending the Vietnam and Yom Kippur wars, btw)
  
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  September 16, 2016 2:51pm
  - tom hunter
    
    I saw a comment the other day that I knew you would appreciate – that Hillary was “Bucknering” this election.
    
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    September 16, 2016 2:59pm
    - Kimbo
      
      He he he. For the uninitiated:
      
      http://www.espn.com/espn/espn25/story?page=moments/2
      
      But even though they always lost, at least the Red Sox made it to the World Series in the years between 1946 and 2003 😉
      
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      September 16, 2016 3:04pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I’m searching for the middle-finger emoji, but I don’t think that works on Kiwiblog.
        
        Ah – success!!
        
        ?
        
        Needs to be bigger though.
        
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        September 16, 2016 3:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        In my never-ending quest to be helpful to members of the KB community I found this for ya in anticipation of the upcoming ~~“Fall Classic”~~ season of perpetual Cubs absence…
        
        https://tfoul.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/kerrywoodmiddlefinger1.jpg
        
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        September 16, 2016 3:21pm
      - Scott
        
        Hi Kimbo,
        Coming back to you on the question of Genesis 1:8 and whether it can be understood consistent with a scientific framework or whether as you put it reflects a Hebrew pre-scientific understanding of the creation. The issue is whether God has accurately described in the Bible what took place and whether science can flow from that understanding? In Genesis 1:8 I think the problem with the word raquia or expanse is one of biblical translation.
        According to the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis – The term is often rendered as firmament or translated as expanse or skies or heavens.The verbal root is hammered out.So it could be a hammered out dome or vault?
        However it could also mean the verb describes God’s creative actions of spreading out the earth (Ps 136:6; Isa 42:5; 44:24) or the skies Job 37:18).
        So did the word used mean that the author wanted to get across the stretched out nature of the raquia rather than its hardness? From the context we could see that the stretched out nature would be the more logical explanation.
        According to Answers in Genesis “The context of Genesis 1:6–8, 14–22 makes it clear that Moses intended his readers to understand raqia simply as the sky (atmosphere and heavens or space) above the earth, as even the sun, moon, and stars were placed in them. In fact, in modern Hebrew raqia is the word used for sky, and there is no connotation of hardness.”
        
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        September 16, 2016 4:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Scott
        
        Thanks for the reply – I’ll look to come back with a response in our on-going dialogue asap, likely tomorrow…
        
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        September 16, 2016 7:06pm
tom hunter

And on a completely different subject… China pushes on Molten Salt Nuclear Reactors

Yay China.

Of course the technology was invented decades ago in the USA and then just dumped and ignored. As LBJ once said to the Apollo 7 crew:

“It’s unfortunate, but the way the American people are, now that they have developed all of this capability, instead of taking advantage of it, they’ll probably just piss it all away.”
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September 16, 2016 3:07pm
- Jack5
  
  And, Tom, New Zealand is just as stupid, luddite, and head-up-arse with our ban on visits by nuclear-powered ships.
  
  Nuclear-powered ships have accumulated about 12,000 reactor-years of operation. The US safety record is excellent, and the Russian record has been fine since the late 1970s.
  
  http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/non-power-nuclear-applications/transport/nuclear-powered-ships.aspx
  
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  September 16, 2016 4:09pm
RF

Have you noticed that Kermit the female greens co-leader has been keeping a low profile. Maybe they are regretting teaming up with Labour as it’s no longer a winning combination.

With Angry out of the country there are some really serious leadership discussions being held in caucus.

Labour list MPs are really pissed about their slim chances of being voted back in next year.

The question they ask is what has happened as not so many years ago they were a strong party.

Unfortunately for them it was the case of Helen Clark moving on and John Key moving in.

As Clark once said ….diddums..
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September 16, 2016 3:07pm
mikenmild

Well, what’s happening in the world today? Checking up on saints’ days is a guaranteed source of amusement. Today it’s St Ludmilla’s turn.

Saint Ludmila is venerated as a patroness of Bohemia. Her feast day is celebrated on 16 September. She was murdered at the behest of her daughter-in-law, who feared her influence over the young King Wenceslas.

She is considered to be a patron saint of Bohemia, converts, Czech Republic, duchesses, problems with in-laws, and widows.
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September 16, 2016 3:22pm
- kowtow
  
  I wonder if there’s a patron saint of public servants.
  Someone whose life was characterised by doing as little as possible in the alloted time.To putting one’s feet up after getting into the office after the commute, to tea breaks with tax payer funded biscuits, oh and blogging all day long. As well as working out what my pension might be.
  
  Amen.
  
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  September 16, 2016 4:22pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Thomas More is the patron saint of public servants, while Lydwina of Schiedam is the patron saint of prolonged suffering.
    
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    September 16, 2016 4:32pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      From the TV archives:
      
      In an age before Rogernomics, and well before The Office, there was the afternoon tea fund, Golden Kiwi, and four o’clock closing: welcome to the early 80s world of the New Zealand Public Service. Gliding On (1981 – 1985) was the first locally made sitcom to become a bona-fide classic. The series was inspired by Roger Hall’s hit play Glide Time and satirised a paper-pushing working life then-familiar to many Kiwis. Gliding On won several Feltex Awards including best male and female actors and best entertainment.
      
      What’s changed?
      
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      September 16, 2016 4:53pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I’m always amused by the memory of going to see a performance of Glide Time in Auckland with the original cast doing a re-run – on the same night as the Queen Street riots.
        
        Watching the oldest character in the play lamenting the fall in respect for the Public Service from when he first joined in the 1930’s – while from outside we could hear the thudding footsteps of angry crowds that felt NZ had let them down – was certainly thought provoking.
        
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        September 16, 2016 5:08pm
wikiriwhis business

Computer Programmer Testifies Under Oath He Coded Computers to Rig Elections
https://www.facebook.com/DeprogramYourself/videos/1675381982781409/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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September 16, 2016 3:36pm
Manolo

The Messiah goes Green:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/15/quit-crabbing-obama-creates-major-no-go-zone-for-fishermen-in-atlantic.html

President Barack Obama has created a 4,900 square mile no-go zone for commercial fishing and other activity off the coast of New England as the first-ever Atlantic marine monument, a move loudly hailed by many environmentalists, but drawing strong protests from the fishing industry as well as causing discomfort among some prominent Democratic politicians whose constituents are affected.
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September 16, 2016 3:51pm
wikiriwhis business

Ron Paul: US Elections Are Rigged, Voting Simply Used To Pacify The Public – See more at: http://www.deprogramyourself.org/2016/09/ron-paul-us-elections-are-rigged-voting.html#sthash.dshti48o.dpuf
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September 16, 2016 3:52pm
- Nostradamus
  
  wikiriwhis business:
  
  Does http://www.deprogramyourself.org offer a support programme for people who would otherwise need to stock up on tinfoil?
  
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  September 16, 2016 4:29pm
wikiriwhis business

Why is Phil Goff going to win Auckland when the left don’t vote.

Because the right wing are going to push him in to keep the establishment in.

What a bunch of right whinger hypocrites moaning about the Left all the time.
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September 16, 2016 3:54pm
Nostradamus

In Australia, barely two months after a federal election, Labour senator Stephen Conroy has decided to quit politics. He was re-elected for a six-year term at the 2 July election.

Labor senator Stephen Conroy has announced his shock retirement from politics, catching Acting Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek and many of his colleagues by surprise. Senator Conroy tabled a speech in the Senate last night outlining his impending retirement, which will take place from September 30.

His reason for quitting politics so soon after being re-elected:

“When you resent being in Canberra because you are missing your daughter’s soccer training it is time to retire from the Federal Parliament,” he said.

Australian taxpayers could be forgiven for wondering why Conroy hadn’t thought of that before standing for re-election. And that word “resent” shows contempt for the Australian people who voted for him.

And another Labor MP, Anthony Albanese, shows contempt for Australian taxpayers:

Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese would not be drawn on whether he knew of Senator Conroy’s announcement or whether Ms Plibersek should have been made aware.

Mr Albanese told reporters in Canberra that “frankly, it’s none of your business”. “I think it’s really important that people be treated with respect,” he said. “Stephen Conroy has always treated the party with respect, he’s treated the Parliament with respect by informing the Parliament.”

Mr Albanese said there was “absolutely” no bad blood in Labor that may have contributed to Senator Conroy’s decision.

So Albanese thinks Conroy treated Parliament with respect but, apparently, it doesn’t matter that Australian taxpayers now have to pay for the cost of replacing Conroy (which, I assume, is through a by-election).
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September 16, 2016 4:09pm
Icarus

RESEARCHERS PREDICT THAT A “MINI ICE AGE” IS COMING VERY SOON

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/01/06/researchers-predict-that-a-mini-ice-age-is-coming-very-soon/

Well this is one weather forecast that fits with observation.
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September 16, 2016 4:36pm
- nasska
  
  This is serious stuff Icarus:
  
  ….”So what happened when the sun went quiet during the Maunder Minimum?
  
  “The cold began on January 6, 1709, and lasted in all its rigour until the twenty-fourth,” wrote one French priest in his journal. “The crops that had been sewn [sic] were all completely destroyed…. Most of the hens had died of cold, as had the beasts in the stables. When any poultry did survive the cold, their combs were seen to freeze and fall off. Many birds, ducks, partridges, woodcock, and blackbirds died and were found on the roads and on the thick ice and frequent snow. Oaks, ashes, and other valley trees split with cold”…..
  
  http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/01/06/researchers-predict-that-a-mini-ice-age-is-coming-very-soon/
  
  It’s not too late…..buy a V8 & save the planet!
  
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  September 16, 2016 4:51pm
  - Icarus
    
    Is a Mini Ice Age Coming? ‘Maunder Minimum’ Spurs Controversy
    
    http://www.livescience.com/51597-maunder-minimum-mini-ice-age.html
    
    The West Coast needs jobs and there is plenty of coal going to waste in the ground. We need to act now nasska. The scientists are warning us and the Antarctic is growing to record levels.
    
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    September 16, 2016 4:56pm
  - Griff
    
    Deluded whack’s will try to fool them self’s.
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/what-if-the-sun-went-into-a-new-grand-minimum/
    Considering that the last solar cycle was the smallest in generations and the result has been three years of ever higher record global temperatures .
    Pity that the world has moved on from such stupidity eh.
    It leaves you lot gibbering at the moon like a bunch of flat earth nuts.
    
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    September 16, 2016 4:57pm
    - Icarus
      
      Shhhhh Griff, we are talking science here.
      
      Diminishing solar activity may bring new Ice Age by 2030
      
      https://astronomynow.com/2015/07/17/diminishing-solar-activity-may-bring-new-ice-age-by-2030/
      
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      September 16, 2016 5:01pm
Griff

Here is a vid to have good laugh at the crap you guys want to believe .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adAvYK1O-ic&feature=youtu.be
ROFL.
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September 16, 2016 5:00pm
- Icarus
  
  We are following the science on this one Griff.
  
  Now go throw a shovel of coal on the fire, its chilly out tonight.
  
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  September 16, 2016 5:04pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
    
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    September 16, 2016 5:42pm
    - Icarus
      
      Wise words indeed AoR. But pearls before swine with Griff. He is too far gone. ?
      
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      September 16, 2016 5:49pm
    - Griff
      
      One plus one did you do your home work ?
      Have you learned how to add yet ?
      Until you do I can not teach you about trends.
      Here is the projection for co2 from IPCC 5
      Note where rcp8.5 business as usual ends up.
      http://climatechangenationalforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sres-rcp.gif
      
      Making an arse of your self seems to be a daily occurrence All on red
      
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      September 16, 2016 5:57pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh look it’s my little angry stalker. Sad man.
        3+3 eh.
        Heh A range of 1.5- 4.5 means the answer is 3 eh Gwiffy
        If that’s right why didn’t the IPCC just say 3? Because they don’t know. Your answer of 3 has got to be some of the most moronic reasoning I’ve ever seen. Piggy in the median. ROFLMAO.No wonder everyone laughs at you on here.
        How does it feel to be mocked all the time poor little Gwiffy?
        What a nutter.
        Oh and what about RCP2.6? You ignore the other ones and just pick the one you like. Soooooo funny
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:03pm
      - Icarus
        
        World will start COOLING DOWN in 2017, claims one of planet’s top climate change experts
        
        ONE of the world’s leading climate change experts claims to have discovered mathematical anomalies which effectively ‘disprove’ global warming.
        Dr David Evans, a former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, says global warming predictions have been vastly exaggerated in error.
        
        The academic, from Perth, Australia, who has passed six degrees in applied mathematics, has analysed complex mathematical assumptions widely used to predict climate change and is predicting world temperature will stagnate until 2017 before cooling, with a ‘mini ice age’ by 2030.
        
        He says fundamental flaws in how future temperatures may rise have been included in the ‘standard models’ and this has led to inflated mathematical – and therefore temperature – predictions.
        
        He said: “There is an intellectual stand-off in climate change. Skeptics point to empirical evidence that disagrees with the climate models.
        
        http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/611111/Former-government-expert-disproves-climate-change-and-says-world-will-soon-cool-down
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        But but Icarus, Evans has SIX degrees and Gwiffy has none so Gwiffy must be right. No doubt he will provide a link to Skeptical Science saying Evans is, shock horror, married to a. Blogger- gasp.
        What an idiot. Still, fun for us. Laugh at the looney.
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Making an arse of your self’
        That’s ‘yourself’ Gwiff, ‘yourself’.
        As in you make an arse of yourself everyday. Lol
        What’s the weather doing tomorrow?
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:13pm
      - Icarus
        
        AoR , I dunno, I am just going with the climate scientist on this one 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:14pm
      - mikenmild
        
        David Evans is not a climate scientist.
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He was telling me the other day that he had done a 101 University EQUIVALENT paper on Economics as he tried to lecture me on the US economy.
        Is this guy deluded or what? Still, its cute having a stalker. Do you think he’s gay? You know, secretly wants a bit of man love.
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:24pm
      - Icarus
        
        Nor are you a climate scientist. He is however suitably qualified to determine the factors he is considering.
        
        You are not qualified so shut your gob dimwit and learn something for a change.
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:24pm
      - Griff
        
        Oh dear all on red .
        you really are stupid .
        You say 1.5 …..even less.
        Why did the IPCC not say 1.5 ?
        Because the range was 1.5 to 4.5 .
        As I have already pointed out the 1.5 range is obsolete.
        It is based only on one method otto et al using the temperatures up to 2012. The rise we have seen in the last three years has blown it out of the water .
        We then have business as usual….
        Why do you think you can complain about efforts to curb emissions yet at the same time complain if I use business as usual projection.
        Answer because you dont think .
        
        Now trends all on red.
        An increasing trend makes a curve when plotted on an xy graph.
        The measurement of co2 is called the keeling curve because it is not a liner increase it is an increasing trend .
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve
        Simple for someone who has high school maths .
        You however struggle with simple addition .
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:25pm
      - Icarus
        
        Nobel Prize-Winning Scientist Says Obama Is ‘Dead Wrong’ On Global Warming
        
        Dr. Ivar Giaever, a Nobel Prize-Winner for physics in 1973, declared his dissent on man-made global warming claims at a Nobel forum on July 1, 2015.
        
        “I would say that basically global warming is a non-problem,” Dr. Giaever announced during his speech titled “Global Warming Revisited.”
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:29pm
      - Griff
        
        Indeed mike
        he has yet to publish instead spends his time posting rubbish in hie wife’s blog in between fleecing rubes out of money to support his effort.
        Forty odd posts on Force X = Force N + Force D, and a Notch
        There is one born every minute and Evans has found a goldmine of them at Joe Nova’s blog .
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No?
        ‘From 1999 to 2005 Evans worked in the Australian Greenhouse Office.( now the Dept of Climate Change)3]He received a Special Achievement in GIS award at the 2010 ESRI International User Conference).’
        He’s a specialist in modelling amongst other things.
        ‘Climate Science’ is comprised of the combination of many different disciplines.
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘As I have already pointed out the 1.5 range is obsolete.’
        Lol, Gwiff knows better than the IPCC. Wow, just wow. I love the way you ignore El Niño too.
        Tell you what Gwiff, let’s wait until AR6 comes out and we will see. Given the way they dropped the range to 1.5 from AR4 to AR5 im not so sure it’s going your way. Why don’t you apply to join the IPCC. I’m sure they will be impressed you have School Cert in math. Snigger.
        Edit and on cue he mentions Novas blog. Lol
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:38pm
      - Icarus
        
        Griff,
        
        Professor AoR and I are trying to discuss the science. If you want to comment on ideology and politics, then be polite and start your own thread.
        
        Thanks 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:38pm
      - Icarus
        
        Prof AoR, would you like to “peer review” this with me ? 🙂
        
        GLOBAL COOLING: Decade long ice age predicted as sun ‘hibernates’
        
        SCIENTISTS claim we are in for a decade-long freeze as the sun slows down solar activity by up to 60 per cent.
        
        http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/616937/GLOBAL-COOLING-Decade-long-ice-age-predicted-as-sun-hibernates
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Professor? Nah, I only have two Degrees. I have been toying with doing a Phd though. Dr AoR has a certain ring to it.
        The cooling thing is interesting but alas to be fair so far it’s been getting warmer.
        Not as warm as Alarmists like Gwiffy think though.
        That’s not to say it mightn’t suddenly get colder but I doubt we will see a 6C increase by 2100 and probably 97% of scientists would agree with that…
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:53pm
      - Icarus
        
        Dr AoR, Some studies suggest there may be an inconsequential increase in the average temperature, but no more variation than one would normally expect within a complex system.
        
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        September 16, 2016 6:58pm
Icarus

My Money Is on a Trump Victory

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439451/donald-trump-will-win-five-reasons-why

This was written a few weeks ago and he has become stronger while Hillary declines in the polls, mentally and physically. Against a steady stream of corruption revelations.

Trump will make America great again.
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September 16, 2016 5:12pm
- deadrightkev
  
  Hear hear. Go the Broncos.
  
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  September 16, 2016 5:40pm
- tom hunter
  
  My Money Is on a Trump Victory
  WTF?
  
  As far as I’m aware I’m the only SOB here who actually does have money on a Trump victory – courtesy of a somewhat generic bet made last year with another Kiwiblog poster called Fentex.
  
  What money have you pussies put down on him winning?
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:35pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I’d encourage every Trump supporter to place substantial wagers on his victory now, while the pollsters only give him a 30% chance of winning and before he powers away to a landslide victory.
    Easy money, isn’t it? Probably worth borrowing money to invest in a sure thing.
    
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    September 16, 2016 6:50pm
    - Icarus
      
      The real bet is if the hideous hag Hillary will to her grave or prison in the coming months.
      
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      September 16, 2016 6:52pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve got it covered. Three chocolate fish at good odds. 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2016 7:01pm
Icarus

The Man with a Plan: Donald Trump’s 5-Part Strategy to Make America Great Again

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/17/the-man-with-a-plan-donald-trumps-5-part-strategy-to-make-america-great-again/

Here is a leader who has a few ideas and the energy to carry them out.

While the visionless Hillary makes bitchy remarks in the sidelines and is too sick to even hold a press conference.
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September 16, 2016 5:59pm
nasska

The hand belonging to this wreckage could be the one that shakes over the red button. Be very afraid:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ed0u179uodgx52z/Clinton%209.gif?dl=0
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September 16, 2016 6:16pm
- Icarus
  
  The rotten evil people who support her should be rounded up when Trump wins and put in camps… until we can figure out what is going on.
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:34pm
Icarus

mikenmild

David Evans is not a climate scientist.

Well clearly the climate scientists think he is up to the job…

“Dr David Evans, a former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, says global warming predictions have been vastly exaggerated in error.”

Soooo much FAIL milky.
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September 16, 2016 6:33pm
nasska

This mini ice age that’s nearly upon us doesn’t look good. These are parts of accounts of events in France during the last freeze:

….”Even the impetuous Rhone was frozen over; and spirituous liquors became congealed by the side of the fire…Olives, vines, fruit-trees in general, corn in the ground, all perished: so intense was the cold, that the solid trunks of great trees are said to have burst asunder as though they had been blown to pieces by gunpowder; and stones were split”……

….“With a prospect of the entire loss of the crops, the prices of provisions rose to an extravagant height, and the population of the country was exposed to actual starvation. Whole families were found frozen to death in their houses.”……

http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/4755/ice-ice-baby-climate-change-morphs-to-a-mini-ice-age/

We’re going to need that CO2!
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September 16, 2016 6:41pm
- Icarus
  
  Global cooling is a tragedy nasska. We have the coal and oil to keep warm and we need to up production now.
  
  We can start with strip mining before the surface freezes, then go below ground.
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:45pm
- Reid
  
  We should probably corner the world prune market as well so our dairy cows will save us. And chop down all the trees.
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:55pm
- mikenmild
  
  Do you subscribe to any of the other weird theories espoused in Investigate, nasska?
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:57pm
  - nasska
    
    Never intentionally followed them Mike. In any case knowledge of solar activity isn’t exactly new science…..nor is knowledge of the Mini Ice Age of the mid/late nineteeth century cutting edge news.
    
    Do you deny that it could happen again?
    
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    September 16, 2016 7:11pm
  - dirty harry
    
    Do you do anything other than continually ask questions MM ?
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:28pm
nasska

We have the means to survive Icarus but the alarmists must be defeated.

Three centuries of winter may soon be upon us!
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September 16, 2016 6:49pm
- Icarus
  
  We need to burn the forests down too nasska.
  
  The trees will die anyway and we need the wood.
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:54pm
Manolo

stephieboy’s mates rule with an iron hand:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3791150/ISIS-declares-state-emergency-Mosul-spate-assassinations.html
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September 16, 2016 6:54pm
- Reid
  
  More of that damnable diversity dividend.
  
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  September 16, 2016 6:57pm
- Icarus
  
  stephieboys mates may not be so matey if they knew he was perving at the women folk, in between his frequent homosexual dalliances.
  
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  September 16, 2016 7:01pm
All_on_Red

Hillary the thief
‘Hillary Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by purposefully and repeatedly overcharging them after they make what’s supposed to be a one-time small donation through her official campaign website, multiple sources tell the Observer.

The overcharges are occurring so often that the fraud department at one of the nation’s biggest banks receives up to 100 phone calls a day from Clinton’s small donors asking for refunds for unauthorized charges to their bankcards made by Clinton’s campaign. One elderly Clinton donor, who has been a victim of this fraud scheme, has filed a complaint with her state’s attorney general and a representative from the office told her that they had forwarded her case to the Federal Election Commission.’
http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/
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September 16, 2016 6:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Simple for someone who has high school maths .
You however struggle with simple addition

Don’t despair, All_on_red.

I have high school maths (and a little bit more), but I’m struggling to make sense of the maths displayed here on GD on Wednesday night, 8:27pm…

4.137 million sqkm is less than 4.344sqkm

“All on red.
sooky sooky
loved the melt down yesterday.
Lets try basic maths again.
3 plus 3 equals six .
I have a new one for you to learn.
Less than.
4.137 million sqkm is less then 4.344sqkm .”
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September 16, 2016 6:59pm
- Icarus
  
  Wednesday is – Shroom Night – for Griff. That was one of his more lucid brain farts.
  
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  September 16, 2016 7:03pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh I missed that Maggy. Well spotted. Must admit, I don’t usually check what Griff says. I’m just in it for the lulz!?
  
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  September 16, 2016 7:06pm
- Griff
  
  Are you all in red
  You get mighty twisted about it for someone who is laughing .
  Just like someone who is getting wound up.
  Hope your family is OK.
  
  Oh and Meggie well done a typo.
  Give the lady a prize..
  Still dont change the fact that this year sea ice was the second lowest on record.
  
  Meantime the world has past you idiots by like the flat earthers you are .
  In July 2015, the New Zealand Government announced that our post-2020 climate change target is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 30 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030.
  http://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions/New-Zealand%E2%80%99s-post-2020-climate-change-target
  
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  September 16, 2016 7:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Still laughing at you Gwiffy. Thanks for your interest, my family is great! The eldest kicked ass at his tennis tournament today. Much like you get your ass kicked here – day after day after day.
    How’s your math Mr “I have a new one for you to learn.
    Less than.4.137 million sqkm is less then 4.344sqkm .”
    Now that’s funny.
    
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    September 16, 2016 7:37pm
  - Griff
    
    Rofl
    yip one plus one .
    Look after your family now .
    
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    September 16, 2016 7:38pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sure will Gwiff, if its fine tomorrow I’ll teach them a new game- ‘Piggy in the median’ cause a range of 1.5 to 4.5 means the answer is 3! lol
      Let me know when the IPCC ask you to help with their math!
      
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      September 16, 2016 7:45pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Griff, I’m still waiting for you to let me know when I can safely grow bananas in Wellington.
      But based on previous comments perhaps I might be better to try something used to more Arctic conditions.
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:06pm
  - Icarus
    
    Government Climate Data Found Unreliable
    Published on June 29, 2015
    Written by John L Casey SSRC
    
    Effective immediately, the Space and Science Research Corporation (SSRC), a leader in climate prediction, has dropped the US government’s ground based global temperature data from its list of reliable sources.
    
    This significant step has been made by the SSRC after extensive review of the US government’s ground temperature data and its wide divergence from more reliable sources of climate data, namely satellite systems.
    
    http://principia-scientific.org/government-climate-data-found-unreliable/
    
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    September 16, 2016 7:54pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh dear, that’s one off Gwiff the Spliffs list.
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:02pm
      - Icarus
        
        Yes they have been getting dodgy data to start with, then “adjusting” [cough] it for years.
        
        The satellite data has discredited the very edifice the hysteria was built on.
        
        http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The fiddling is catching up with them as the divergence between ground as satellite varies so much
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:13pm
    - mikenmild
      
      SSRC – another bogus organisation.
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:10pm
    - Icarus
      
      IPCC another bogus organisation.
      
      Idiot.
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:12pm
    - Griff
      
      ROFL
      http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/tea-party-welcomes-global-cooling-theorist-earthquake-predictor-john-l-casey-6446356
      whackos are so gullible.
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:14pm
      - Icarus
        
        So you think climate is a political issue Griff. Well that explains rather a lot.
        
        Dr AoR and I only consider the science. Probably what got you so confused and angry.
        
        Glad we cleared that up 🙂
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Says the man who thinks Grant Foster is a ‘Dr’, heh.
        Gullible Griff. Tell us more about those sqkm’s
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:19pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps you could cover off John Casey’s qualifications for us, AoR.
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:24pm
      - Griff
        
        How many papers has David Evans got ?
        One on nothing to do with climate from 1987 with 42 cites.
        http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1165252/
        How many papers has Grant Foster got ?
        38 including on climate, statistics and astronomy with 862 cites .
        https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Grant_Foster/publications/2
        One is a publishing scientist whos work is used by others .
        The other is a known whack who has a good line in bullshit for parting idiots from their money.
        That you dont think one is a scientist and think the other is shows how confused you are All on red .
        Goes with the issues with basic maths and critical thinking I guess .
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:38pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Dr Evans has six Degrees, he worked for years at the Dept of Climate Change and won an Award for his modelling and you don’t think he’s a Scientist? What an idiot.
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:53pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Never heard of the man Mikey. And I’m not telling his story. But hey, tell me more about Grant Fosters qualifications. What are they? SC in math, a Diploma in blogging from his mums basement?
    
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    September 16, 2016 8:27pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You were the one chuckling at the troll Icarus’s comment about SSRC as if it was a real thing…
      
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      September 16, 2016 8:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Icarus is a troll? Never. I thought you were the Head Troll round here 24,862
        
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        September 16, 2016 8:58pm
      - Icarus
        
        Is “troll” a climate science term ?
        
        I’ve not seen it used in any credible journal.
        
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        September 16, 2016 9:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not sure, but I think Mikey is pretty qualified to know!
        
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        September 16, 2016 9:05pm
wiseowl

Pleased to see someone involved in the Auckland housing sham front up with a careful poke at the Government approach.

An Environmental Law firm that has been involved in SHA’s can see the problem is overseas people being allowed to buy up our country.

They suggest the demand side be looked at because all that is happening is stupid NZ is building more and more to suit an insatiable demand.
Who loses?
Real kiwis.
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September 16, 2016 7:11pm
Rachael Membery

Andrea Vance doesn’t seem to like David Garrett very much, what a shame that she focussed her news article on the messenger, not on the message when reporting on the plea bargaining petition, I understand that the march stopped traffic on Lambton Quay.
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September 16, 2016 7:55pm
- mikenmild
  
  Um, every march or parade stops traffic in Lambton Quay.
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:11pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is that a good or a bad thing?
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:41pm
rightoverlabour

As I have posted before we would love to see Griff’s credentials around Climate Science. Unfortunately debating with him is a waste of time. However, the debate has provided handy links to interesting articles that refute some of the alarmist crap sprouted by those that beleive the “Science is Settled” and follow the religion of “Concensus Science”. And no Griff, I wont engage with you an any way, at least not until you grow up.
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September 16, 2016 8:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m not sure that Griff needs to have any particular scientific credentials. I doubt that anyone who comments at Kiwiblog is a climate scientist with a publishing record.
  Do you think those debating against Griff are particularly well qualified?
  
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  September 16, 2016 8:55pm
  - Icarus
    
    Yes the people debating him tend to be more qualified. Low information types tend to buy into pop science, like the whole climate hysteria thing.
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:04pm
Griff

rightoverlabour
Do expand on your conspiracy
We got to the interesting bit last time than you ran away.

Seems the Royal Society
UK science communiqué on climate change

The Royal Society is one of 24 of the UK’s Professional and Learned Societies that have endorsed this communiqué on climate change. Together the organisations involved represent a diverse range of expertise from across the sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, medicine and engineering.

The communiqué states that if we are to have a reasonable chance of limiting global warming in this century to 2°C relative to the pre-industrial period, we must transition to a zero-carbon world by early in the second half of the century. It highlights the risks associated with climate change, as well as the potential responses and opportunities of low-carbon and climate-resilient growth.

https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/publications/2015/climate-communique/

The national academy of science

WASHINGTON — The U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the Royal Society, the national science academy of the U.K., released a joint publication today in Washington, D.C., that explains the clear evidence that humans are causing the climate to change, and that addresses a variety of other key questions commonly asked about climate change science.

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=18730

The American academy for the advancement of science

Based on the evidence, about 97% of climate experts have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. What We Know helps us understand the science behind the realities, risks and response to the climate challenge.

http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/

NASA

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

and many other scientific body’s disagree with you.
This makes you a wacko.
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September 16, 2016 9:05pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The thing is. None of those organisation’s agree with your predictions. Which makes you the whacko.
  Once again you hide your extremism behind some of the reasonable claims these organisations make.
  You are deceptive and dishonest.
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:11pm
  - Icarus
    
    Dr AoR, you don’t think Griff actually reads all that rubbish do you ?
    
    He has no idea what it says.
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:16pm
  - Griff
    
    Gibbering again all in red
    Again slowly as the maths is very very hard
    The best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity is 3c for double co2.
    This is the consensus position taken at last years WMO seminar of the worlds top climate scientists on climate sensitivity .
    At the present trajectory business as usual is to double and double again by 2100.
    Three plus three equals ……
    Well you full it in.
    This may not happen if we do manage to stop out addiction to hydro carbons .3c is also the ECS so it may take longer than 2100 to fully realize.
    As we do not have the ability to remove large amounts of carbon from the atmosphere that is immaterial.
    Someone like you who posts rubbish from whacks like wuwt is against a reduction in emissions happening so any claim by you that 6c is unrealistic is gibbering inconsistency .
    The result of the commitment from Paris will only limit us to 3C if they are fully complied with .
    We are already at 1.5C with the warming still in the pipe line from the last forty odd years and the effects of aerosoles from china and India’s industrial revolution.
    
    Oh and kea
    you are a nutter
    meant in the nicest possible way of course.
    
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    September 16, 2016 9:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Someone like you who posts rubbish from whacks like wuwt’
      You keep repeating this lie. Prove it.
      Also you seem to think that if I did link to WUWT (and I don’t) that it somehow invalidates my opinion. Which is a moronic argument . (shoe fits ?) Still, shows you got nuthin and are back to playing pigeon chess- as usual.
      Sigh
      
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      September 16, 2016 9:43pm
      - Griff
        
        I dont need to prove any thing all on red .
        Its all over the blog my friend.
        Shut up ?
        Make me sonny .
        Playing pigeon chess with you is rather fun .
        In a look at the DK club member sort of way.
        Extremist?
        
        2. We are at risk of pushing our climate system toward abrupt, unpredictable, and potentially irreversible changes with highly damaging impacts. Earth’s climate is on a path to warm beyond the range of what has been experienced over the past millions of years.[ii] The range of uncertainty for the warming along the current emissions path is wide enough to encompass massively disruptive consequences to societies and ecosystems: as global temperatures rise, there is a real risk, however small, that one or more critical parts of the Earth’s climate system will experience abrupt, unpredictable and potentially irreversible changes. Disturbingly, scientists do not know how much warming is required to trigger such changes to the climate system
        
        http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/
        No sonny informed realist…..
        
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        September 16, 2016 10:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Make me sonny ‘
        Ooh, getting threatening now are you, lol at the loser cause what’s all over the blog is you being made to look stupid. Check out the down ticks you get. You are a joke. Go on, have that meltdown #strike 6
        You won’t be missed.
        
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        September 16, 2016 10:16pm
    - Griff
      
      All on red
      You are the one who lies .
      When caught out you lie even more.
      Thats because you are stupid .
      Not long ago you accused me as being the Griff on WUWT
      That tells me you read the dribble from there.
      You are also extremely gullible believing some out right nonsense .
      Your children will pay the price .
      I do hope you live long enough to find out .
      
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      September 16, 2016 9:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Blah blah blah. Caught out nuthin. Prove I lie, or shut up.
        Extremist nutter. You are a complete joke on here.
        
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        September 16, 2016 10:01pm
nasska

Dissent, personal abuse, accusations & anger.

My work here is done! ?
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September 16, 2016 9:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  A good days work!
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:19pm
- Icarus
  
  Trolling Griff is all good fun, but Griff keeps swallowing the bait too deep and getting gut hooked so I can’t release him.
  
  He then spends the whole night bleeding and flapping all over the blog 🙂
  
  [ This post sponsored by EXXON energy for life ]
  
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  September 16, 2016 9:26pm
All_on_Red

BP- Alls well that end well!

Aka, we drill it, spill it and kill it- just so you can fill it.
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September 16, 2016 9:34pm
RF

Have you noticed that bobble head Clinton looks down when she is telling lies. She does not give eye contact or look straight ahead.

She was being questioned about when her running mate was told about her collapse. He had previously admitted it was on Sunday afternoon. She was ducking and diving and could not give a straight answer… She kept looking down. The lying bitch.
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September 16, 2016 9:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gosh, what an extraordinary coincidence..

I read WUWT everyday…
and I’ve noticed that every now and again a commenter called Griff appears on there.. but I knew it wasn’t KB’s Griff, because this person doesn’t do personal abuse… but sadly he gets some…
look at the comments some of the posters delivered to WUWT’s Griff.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/11/an-open-letter-to-an-alarmist-shill/
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September 16, 2016 10:08pm
- Griff
  
  Yip maggie
  roflmao
  WUWT
  You read conspiracy nonsense and believe it like some sort of gullible child .
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh that’s so funny. Griff reads WUWT and comments on it! Looks like a tame Griff compared to here but probably has to be or Mr Watts will ban him but I see they still have the same sneering style and just like on here- gets its arse kicked!
  I can’t stop laughing.
  Thanks Maggy, you’re a treasure. I see no denial from ‘our’ Griff either.
  Caught!
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But a further coincidence…
    on the 12th Sept the Griff who was writing on WUWT on topics we all love (homogenisation and moon-landings) got called a troll and was told that he was using a straw-man argument.
    
    And guess what happened early on 13th Sept on GD?
    Our Griff told Burt that he was using a straw-man argument
    
    Griff
    
    Actually burt it is you who think there is one simple measure to explain every thing.
    https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_02.pdf
    This approach is called a straw man argument. Make up some bullshit and attack it rather than engaging with the other persons debate .
    
    Now is that the spookiest coincidence you’ve ever seen?
    
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    September 16, 2016 10:36pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yeah, he can deny it all he likes but the ‘fist’ is the same.
      The pattern of self projection the same.
      It’s him alright.
      
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      September 16, 2016 11:15pm
    - Icarus
      
      Love your work Maggy :)
      
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      September 17, 2016 7:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s hilarious isn’t it. Did you read the way he got slammed in the comments. Looks like he has been slammed before.
        
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        September 17, 2016 7:52am
- Griff
  
  ROFLMAO
  It is not me all on red
  There is another Griff on the guardian .
  That is not me either.
  Logic errors are near universal when you are dealing with fringe science nutters .
  Like your inability to count and magggie loveys misrepresenting papers.
  
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  September 16, 2016 10:42pm
All_on_Red

Oh god, they are criticising him for his lack of reading comprehension.
Accusing him of straw men.
What a read, it’s the same Griff!!!!?
Hahahahaha hahahahaha
Oh Maggy, I can’t stop laughing. You’ve made my night.
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September 16, 2016 10:31pm
All_on_Red

Oh there’s a few people who are going to love this.
Roll on 8.01 am
Lol
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September 16, 2016 10:34pm
Manolo

Mr Roskill take 2?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article102000997.html

Despite resistance by Idaho’s top political leaders, 118 Syrian refugees have moved to the Gem State since last Oct. 1, all of them settling in Boise, according to new data from the State Department.
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