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Keeping Stock

So who managed to survive the rush for Hurricanes versus Lions tickets yesterday? It’s shaping up as a worthy final, and should be a fantastic occasion at the Cake Tin.
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August 3, 2016 8:02am
mikenmild

Got my tickets, KS. Gonna be a good one.
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August 3, 2016 8:07am
VicParking

The chinese kiwifruit ban was just a rumour and the EU investigation was just part of a speech taken out of context. The MSM has forgotten how to check stories or is it once again ” dont let the truth spoil a good story”
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August 3, 2016 8:09am
Happychappy

I bet all the Labour MPs from the lower north island have got their free tickets these the people that can afford to pay and give a few of the poor people they pimp a glimpse of Andrew Littles better and equal life.You could bet your bottom dollar the people like Grant Robertson would be.drinking out of the free trough all night,go the hurricanes
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August 3, 2016 8:14am
cmm

Enough about Baine.

Sure he should not have received 900k. Since there are about 100,000 nett taxpayers in NZ thats about $10 each.

For ten bucks it is worth it to just get it all in the rear view mirror.
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August 3, 2016 8:14am
Manolo

Italy and the whole of Europe are stuffed big time:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3720018/8-000-refugees-rescued-Mediterranean-just-five-days-latest-wave-migrants-trying-reach-Europe.html

More than 8,000 refugees have been rescued from the Mediterranean in just five days, it has emerged.

Italian rescuers lifted 1,800 migrants from 14 packed inflatable dinghies and two small wooden fishing boats off waters off Libya on Monday alone.

Last night, hundreds of refugees from Somalia, Libya, Bangladesh, Egypt, Congo and West Africa arrived at the southern Italian port of Salerno on board a rescue ship.
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August 3, 2016 8:16am
cmm

@VicParking: I listened to RNZ a bit this morning…. It was fun hearing Espliner (or however you spell his name) trying to dig up a conspiracy where there is none and getting nowhere. The kiwifruit guy was more than patient. After answering the same basic question with the same answer three times, I’d have told him to get stuffed.
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August 3, 2016 8:17am
Keeping Stock

@ cmm – I like your thinking; time to let it go.

@ mikenmild – looking forward to it. As soon as the semi-final finished I got online and booked a room in Wellington at a very reasonable rate. I figured that win or lose, I’d probably be in no fit state to drive back to Whanganui after the match.

@ Happychappy – I don’t know if SkyCity has a box at Westpac Stadium, so that’s one option for doughnutting Labour MP’s eliminated. I’m sure we’ll all see their declarations of free hospitality in the next Pecuniary Interest report.
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August 3, 2016 8:19am
Simon

Your son, along with everyone else, was lied to and then killed in a mickey mouse Neo-con war that has fucked a whole region and millions of people.

In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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August 3, 2016 8:26am
kowtow

While Italy “rescues” thousands , in so doing it is responsible for the hundreds who drown in the attempt and the thousands who are raped , robbed and murdered getting to Libya.

Stop the boats.

Save Europe billions in taxes, security , welfare and future warfare.
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August 3, 2016 8:26am
Happychappy

I got a early down tick so I wonder whether Milky got one of those gifted tickets
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August 3, 2016 8:33am
Wangas Feral

Got my tickets, KS. Gonna be a good one.

Hey MM – I missed out on tickets. Do you know if Trev Mallard has any he would be willing to part with?
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August 3, 2016 8:36am
RalphT

KS, I think it’s a bit unfair to assume that all the Labour MPs will be freeloading in a corporate box; Trevor will probably be putting his tickets on TradeMe.
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August 3, 2016 8:36am
kowtow

Talking of rugby spare a thought for the people of South Africa , delivered by the left internationally to a corrupt , racist and incompetent African tribal lord.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/south-african-elections-on-wednesday-could-determine-future-of-zumas-rule/article31218675/
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August 3, 2016 8:38am
waikatogirl

I see the gay man who demanded an apology from the Chiefs player for being derogatory towards a couple of gay guys, or rather was yelling “here come the gays’, now says the received apology is not enough and expects the abuser to do some community work with gay groups.

Got your apology, accept and move on.
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August 3, 2016 8:43am
EAD

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Wow, just wow

An Israeli born orthodox rabbi in New York in a moment of truth has come out and stated that fewer than a million Jews died in the alleged “holocaust” at the hands of Hitler:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.694868

PS: in case you’re wondering, Haaretz is Israel’s oldest still active newspaper

in times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act” – Orwell
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August 3, 2016 8:45am
Rich Prick

Last night, hundreds of refugees from Somalia, Libya, Bangladesh, Egypt, Congo and West Africa arrived …

All those wars to flee. I wish the media would call them what they are, invading welfare seeking economic opportunists. They are not refugees, although I’ll wager they are most if not all military-aged males.
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August 3, 2016 8:46am
Ross12

For all the sports fans it looks like ( I’ve only looked at the Loader one) the NZ Herald has done a great series on former NZ Olympians

http://features.nzherald.co.nz/nzs-greatest-olympians-danyon-loader/
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August 3, 2016 8:52am
peterwn

See:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/82530463/wellington-health-boards-smear-email-breached-privacy-of-grieving-mother

The article indicated that the Health Board’s CEO has been censured (presumably by the Board) for privacy breach and related matters. The responsible Minister has declined to comment claiming that it is an ‘operational matter’. However Ministers need to be very careful in running the ‘operational matter’ line, it can very easily strike a bum note.

I agree that in general Ministers should not intervene in individual matters before departments such as a taxpayer or beneficiary dealing with respective departments, but there can come a point where a Minister may well need to get involved. For example some years ago the Immigration Minister refused to get involved with the case of people who were repeatedly ‘picked on’ by immigration officials because a person with similar name was on a ‘black list’. The Minister played the ‘operational matter’ card whereas the Minister should have asked officials if anything could be done about it (IMO a ‘white list’ could be set up to avoid innocent people being subject to undue checks and delays).

In this particular instance the responsible Minister is both the stakeholder and has a significant influence over the makeup of the Board and in particular appointment of the Chair. Agrees if any ordinary employee is subject to disciplinary action it is an ‘operational matter’ up to the CEO to sort. But when the CEO is impeached, it is a governance matter, not an ‘operational matter’ and the Minister should respond accordingly. In this instance it seems the CEO was sold a bum steer by staff and this should be dealt with.

If need be it would be quite appropriate for the Minister to procure the CEO’s termination if need be, and also in the circumstances of this case to terminate for political reasons (with any appropriate payout).

In a work or other situation, if you draft a contentious email or letter, then sit on it for 24 hours and do not immediately hit the ‘send’ button. Far better than sending immediately then regretting.
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August 3, 2016 8:52am
Andrei

Oh I don’t know Rich Prick – I see the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Barack Obama is bombing Libya again, a complete and total violation of International Law and also probably American Law
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August 3, 2016 8:53am
cmm

@kowtow: Sport was a meritocracy. The best players get into the higher level teams and as a result you get some great sport being played.

While very few players ever get to play in the top sides, it is still the performance of those top sides that builds the popularity and the strength of the sport through all levels. ie. If the All Blacks were as consistently as crap as Italy, the interest in rugby would fall away at all levels including “pub grade”.

South African rugby is being screwed over twice:

1) The proportional representation quota of blacks in the Springboks is destructive. It reduces the performance of the side. There are very few blacks playing rugby in South Africa, so the Springbok quota over represents blacks. Secondly, there very few good black rugby players in South Africa meaning lower-capability players must be picked to fill the quota. Thirdly, good white players are just going to give up if there’s no opportunity to fulfill your potential.

2) Rugby still carries the stigma of being a racist apartheid era sport. Progressives are pushing soccer. That means fewer rugby players in school feeding up the chain.

As with many things in South Africa, they’re just a decade or so behind Zimbabwe. Sport is just one facet of that.
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August 3, 2016 8:54am
Monique Watson

David Bain thread now up to 200 comments.
Overall, I thought Amy Adams did a very good job on presenting the case for the Bain ex gratia payment. One of the best Justice Ministers we’ve had.
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August 3, 2016 8:55am
Manolo

Isn’t the VP clown generous and a joy to watch?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vice-president-joe-biden-gay-marriage-wedding-home-washington-law-order-episode-cameo-a7168331.html
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August 3, 2016 8:57am
mandk

@ EAD

You just don’t get it, do you?

Six million died, but the holocaust would not have been any less of an atrocity if the number was one million, or one hundred thousand, or whatever.

It was genocide. Stop apologising for it and diminishing it.
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August 3, 2016 9:02am
James Stephenson

It’s shaping up as a worthy final, and should be a fantastic occasion at the Cake Tin.

Considering the dog’s breakfast that was the competition format this year, it’s probably a relief to the organisers, that those issues will likely be eclipsed now.
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August 3, 2016 9:02am
kowtow

waikatogirl

The “gay” man complaining ’bout the rugby player .

On the news he said it happens to him all the time , but this time he’s making a stand.

If this does happen to him all the time , but he is taking action now against an identifiable entity , then the “gay” man is discriminating against the rugby player . He’s only doing it cos he can get something out of them…..

……Gay Gold Digger ……..and hypocrite.
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August 3, 2016 9:03am
kowtow

NZ Olympians…….Brolympics Song

…… how much tax money has the gummint, through its racist agents, blown on this bullshit?

Top down broification of New Zealand and we’re paying for it.

“It was written by a number of commission staff led by its new chief executive Ngahiwi Apanui, whose musical career started when he co-founded the Maori-speaking band Aotearoa in 1984.

“Ana Hi! was commissioned by Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Maori [Maori Language Commission] and is performed by Wellington kapa haka group Nga Taonga Mai Tawhiti,” Ritete said.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11685382
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August 3, 2016 9:07am
waikatogirl

Kowtow
……Gay Gold Digger ……..and hypocrite.
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Yes a bit like that. Definitely drawing out his 15 minutes in the media. Way to rub the guys nose in it.

The Chiefs player said he was embarrassed and had definitely learned a lesson.
Sounds like a sincere apology to me.
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August 3, 2016 9:13am
Nookin

EAD

In times of universal deceit, the careful selection of only those parts of the publication that suits one’s otherwise unjustifiable viewpoint is par for the course. Nookin 2016

A commenter with more integrity might perhaps have acknowledged that the article does not in any way dispute the death of 6 million – only that of that figure, approximately 1 million satisfy the more hard-line definition of “Jew” ie, someone born of a jewish mother.

The remaining 5 million were, according to the inferences in the article, people with some Jewish blood or other adherents to the Jewish faith. Obviously the Nazis were not that fussed about strict definitions.
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August 3, 2016 9:17am
Andrei

The Chiefs player said he was embarrassed and had definitely learned a lesson.
Sounds like a sincere apology to me.

Sounds like submissive groveling to me

What has become of freedom of speech?
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August 3, 2016 9:19am
Manolo

The world should leave these savages to kill each other to the very end:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/02/benghazi-car-bomb-kills-22-libya

A car bomb targeting security forces in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi has killed 22 people and wounded 20, a spokesman for the forces and medical officials said.

The blast occurred in a residential area in the Guwarsha district, the scene of fighting between security forces loyal to Libya’s eastern government and an alliance of Islamists and other opponents.
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August 3, 2016 9:24am
lilman

Sorry $10 dollars to Bain is ok?

Fuck him ,murdering arse and Karam and all the people who crucified a dead man and father who wasnt even on trial.

I object to any of MY MONEY going to a criminal.

Taina Pora was treated very badly if this prick gets close to a Million.
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August 3, 2016 9:27am
Manolo

The “unfit” and “woefully unprepared” Messiah calls Trump “unfit” and “woefully unprepared”:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/02/barack-obama-donald-trump-president-republican-party
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August 3, 2016 9:30am
Garbageman

“Sounds like submissive groveling to me” damn right it is, poor little poof got hurty feeling in a game of rugby, a real man would have taken offense and then given the Chiefs player a sly smack but not these days wa wa off to the media I go, what’s next safe spaces on the side-lines for those that get triggered by some meany on the field
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August 3, 2016 9:31am
doggone7

James Stephenson @ 9:02 am “It’s shaping up as a worthy final, and should be a fantastic occasion at the Cake Tin.

Considering the dog’s breakfast that was the competition format this year, it’s probably a relief to the organisers, that those issues will likely be eclipsed now.”

A lot of difficult factors had to be considered in organising the competition. We understand that. Twisting the number of teams into an organisation which worked for considerably less teams with other impacting influences was not easy. We understand that. It was beyond the organisers.

The SANZAR head honcho should be easily recognisable at the final – he’ll be the one wearing the Mickey Mouse ears.
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August 3, 2016 9:31am
big bruv

Meanwhile, over at the discredited Standard they are defending the rights of scum to smoke P in state houses.

http://thestandard.org.nz/meth-fries-housing-nzs-brains/
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August 3, 2016 9:32am
EAD

@ MandK,

I do get it – I get it more than just about any other person on this blog.

That “it” of course being the stranglehold the Holocaust narrative has on your minds and the intellectual contortions you must bend to in order to object to the destruction of all European nations by 3rd world immigration. Until you can speak against this without being labelled a “far right genocidal maniac who wants to throw 6 million Jews into flaming ovens” then you and your objections are neutered and the destruction will continue.

That is why the holocaust myth must be destroyed and the truth told. That truth being that there were no gas chambers, no “final solution” and 6 million did not die.

The 6 million number is a Talmudic myth which says that six million Jews would have to perish in order for a state of Israel to be established. – “ye shall return minus six million”

This explains the fanatical six million number at the Nuremberg Trials, because it was used to get the UN to vote into existence the Jewish state in 1948.

Here is a good display of “6 million quotes” from newspapers pre WWII and for info outside of MSM/Hollywood approved sources for anyone for anyone curious on the subject.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=24369
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August 3, 2016 9:36am
Garbageman

lol @ Big Bruv Meanwhile over at the Standard the 10 commentators that inhabit that cess pool are arguing with themselves like spastic children while solving all the worlds problems that the nasty John Key has created and defending the poor defenceless vulnerable bludgers that is their voting base, its a bit early to need brain bleach Bruv but thanks for doing gods work so we don’t have to.
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August 3, 2016 9:38am
Scott

“Sounds like submissive groveling to me”

That’s because it is submissive grovelling and that is what political correctness is. If you say something mean to protected groups like homosexuals then you will be made to publicly apologise and grovel and by the sound of it do community work as well?

That’s why we need to get rid of political correctness. We can replace it with a new concept – free speech!
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August 3, 2016 9:40am
itstricky

What has become of freedom of speech?

Que? So you expect me to be able to walk up to your face and scream “YOU’RE UGLY” and not expect to either get a swift one to my nose or, at least, have you yell back at me demanding an apology?

Freedom of speech does not equal a right not to be criticised and the fact that he apologised has nothing to do with it.
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August 3, 2016 9:45am
mandk

@ EAD

Your 9.36 neatly illustrates that you really, really, really don’t get it.

You’re quibbling about numbers when the simple fact remains that it was genocide.

I’m not sure if you are a Jew hater, but what you are doing will delight the NF, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and all the other groups that would like to see Jews eliminated. Is that where your sympathies lie?
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August 3, 2016 9:49am
itstricky

That’s because it is submissive grovelling and that is what political correctness is.

I presume you’d be OK with me walking up to your face and screaming “YOU’RE AN UGLY M F* THEN AREN’T YOU”

If you complained or asked for an apology, I would claim Political Correctness.

We can replace it with a new concept – free speech!

Someone else is confused as well. Unless of course, the Chiefs chap went to jail. Did he go to jail? Did the cops swoop on the scene and whisk him off to the slammer?
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August 3, 2016 9:52am
Lance

Oh look
EAD is being and obnoxious Holocaust denier… again

Idiot
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August 3, 2016 9:58am
EAD

@ Mandk,

Who is the one being “eliminated” here?

The Jews have their own ethno-centric state for which they are extremely strict on who they let in. The only people allowed in are those “of the blood” via the Right of return law. Meanwhile, American and European blood is expended fighting Israels wars in the Middle East with the resultant refugees from those conflicts being directed uniformly into European countries assisted by the people who control the MSM.

Meanwhile, every single Gentile, (and only Gentile) country is being forced to pay for their own genetic destruction as they literally pay hostile invaders via welfare to come in and demographically swamp them while the same MSM silences dissent, publishes puff pieces and pretends these “refugees” areally cuddly children and womenjoy when the reality is they are military age men acting like hostile invaders.

Wake up man.
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August 3, 2016 10:00am
Padriv Ustoev

Interesting,

Penny might have been onto something after all. I’m sure he’s not the only one. Just the one that got caught.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11686368

Home detention? Put him in jail, why doe she get home detention?
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August 3, 2016 10:03am
Lance

@EAD
Israel has over 1.6 million Arab citizens
It’s not letting many more people in because it’s the geographical size of Northland and Auckland and has over 8.5 million people in it.

Pesky facts
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August 3, 2016 10:06am
kowtow

Rude rugby player grates gay guys’ gears.

The initial incident is not an issue of free speech , it’s a question of manners. The rugby player was rude , very rude . Should have just minded his own business , live and let live .

But in these days when bad manners have been virtually criminalised then we do have a very serious issue .

These things need to be debated , that is where the free speech comes in. We need to be able to discuss how tiny minority activist groups, the media , politicians etc are setting agendas and changing our society .
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August 3, 2016 10:06am
Odakyu-sen

It’s true that a moment of carelessness in driving can have life-changing consequences.

Witness the car-load of men who drove out of a side street onto SH2 and were collected by a logging truck. The SH was a straight at that point, so the side road would have had a STOP or a GIVE WAY sign where it met the highway.

It’s lack of concentration rather than speeding per se that is the real killer.
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August 3, 2016 10:08am
Elaycee

@Lance: It wouldn’t surprise me if EAD is actually ‘Luc Hansen’ from days gone past – the writing style / the anti-Semitic views are v-e-r-y similar.

Besides, the term ‘idiot’ is an affront to the poor buggers who have genuine mental issues.
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August 3, 2016 10:11am
kowtow

“Did the cops swoop on the scene and whisk him off to the slammer?”

Not beyond the bounds of possibility. Old offences are being used in a novel manner…..to control bad manners.

“Mr Shuttleworth was called in to the local police station for questioning today.”

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/266912/no-criminal-charges-racist-taxi-tirade
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August 3, 2016 10:12am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/82757397/professor-sir-ngatata-love-leading-academic-and-treaty-negotiator-on-trial-for-defrauding-his-iwi

but but but… he was completely honest until the Pakeha colonialists invaded.
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August 3, 2016 10:13am
Lance

Elaycee
Good point, I apologize to the genuine idiots by comparing a rabid cognitive dissonant anti-semite to them.
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August 3, 2016 10:15am
kowtow

Be afraid, the morality police don’t just enforce sharia in Saudi…..

“Police prosecutor Tim Hambleton said Rappard’s actions were ”morally repugnant” and qualified as offensive behaviour because onlookers were shocked.”

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/278334/fined-ordering-woman-remove-burqa
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August 3, 2016 10:16am
itstricky

But in these days when bad manners have been virtually criminalised then we do have a very serious issue .

No they haven’t. Is there a law I don’t know about? Did the cops arrest him?

I think you need to rationalise this point:

The only reason it made it to the news is because the bad mannered offender was someone semi-well known.

Then:

We need to be able to discuss how tiny minority activist groups, the media , politicians etc are setting agendas and changing our society .

Actually, perhaps we need to discuss how well known sports people, who should be role models for kids, think it’s OK to mouth off crap in public. PC & Freedom of Speech are not excuses for letting your mouth rule your brain.
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August 3, 2016 10:19am
itstricky

but but but… he was completely honest until the Pakeha colonialists invaded.

Sorry, I missed the bit where he said that?
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August 3, 2016 10:20am
stephieboy

EAD,

“Meanwhile, every single Gentile, (and only Gentile) country is being forced to pay for their own genetic destruction as they literally pay hostile invaders via welfare to come in and demographically swamp them while the same MSM silences dissent, publishes puff ..”

Got to sleep, man !

The holocaust never happened ?

Take you meds , man !
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August 3, 2016 10:45am
waikatogirl

Andrei
What has become of freedom of speech?
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Tell that to those who have stood down Kevin Roberts.
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August 3, 2016 10:47am
Fletch

So it turns out that the Muslim guy, Khizr Khan, that the Democrats wheeled out for their convention has a vested interest in Muslim immigration. His law firm specializes in helping wealthy Muslims immigrate to America. In a panic, Khan has deleted the whole website, but you can see it on Wayback Machine.

The website is completely removed from the Internet, and instead directs visitors to the URL at which it once was to a page parking the URL run by GoDaddy.

The EB5 program, which helps wealthy foreigners usually from the Middle East essentially buy their way into America, is fraught with corruption. U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has detailed such corruption over the past several months, and in February issued a blistering statement about it.

“Maybe it is only here on Capitol Hill—on this island surrounded by reality—that we can choose to plug our ears and refuse to listen to commonly accepted facts,” Grassley said in a statement earlier this year. “The Government Accountability Office, the media, industry experts, members of congress, and federal agency officials, have concurred that the program is a serious problem with serious vulnerabilities. Allow me to mention a few of the flaws.”

Grassley’s statement even noted that the program Khan celebrated on his website has posed national security risks.

“There are also classified reports that detail the national security, fraud and abuse. Our committee has received numerous briefings and classified documents to show this side of the story,” Grassley said in the early February 2016 statement. “The enforcement arm of the Department of Homeland Security wrote an internal memo that raises significant concerns about the program. One section of the memo outlines concerns that it could be used by Iranian operatives to infiltrate the United States. The memo identifies seven main areas of program vulnerability, including the export of sensitive technology, economic espionage, use by foreign government agents and terrorists, investment fraud, illicit finance and money laundering.”

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/
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August 3, 2016 10:49am
stephieboy

GOP Congressman: I’m Voting For Clinton, Trump ‘Unfit’

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/gop-congressman-im-voting-clinton-trump-unfit-n621536

Trumpists ,any more salvageable items from the Trump train wreck ?

Fletch , really crude smearing bottom of the barrel stuff from a desperate falling off the wheels Trump campaign .
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August 3, 2016 10:56am
dave_c_

So tell me.

What number of innocent souls must the US and her many vassals around the world annihilate due to their warmongering imperial ambition, before they are deemed to have created a Holocaust ?

Current estimates indicate “US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II”

Where is the outrage here ? Ah/Oh – Its the west and her allies – no issue here – move on.
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August 3, 2016 10:56am
Ashley Schaeffer

GOP Congressman: I’m Voting For Clinton, Trump ‘Unfit’

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/gop-congressman-im-voting-clinton-trump-unfit-n621536

Trumpists ,any more salvageable items from the Trump train wreck ?

The RINO’s are being exposed and expunged. Win or lose in November, Trump should be lauded for that.
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August 3, 2016 11:01am
waikatogirl

Odaky-sen
Witness the car-load of men who drove out of a side street onto SH2 and were collected by a logging truck. The SH was a straight at that point, so the side road would have had a STOP or a GIVE WAY sign where it met the highway.
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The 5 men were Tongan workers. I wonder if they understood the road code or were just tired after a long day at work.
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August 3, 2016 11:03am
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@waikato girl

Either way – a terrible tragedy
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August 3, 2016 11:04am
Don the Kiwi

Manolo
8.57 am.

Re Joe Biden officiating at the gay marriage of two gays:

“On their request, he officiated for Brian Mosteller, the director of Oval Office operations, and Joe Mashie, a trip coordinator for Michelle Obama, at his Washington home”

Brian Mollester, director of Oval operations…….a little substitution speaks an ironic reality. 😉
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August 3, 2016 11:06am
Fletch

Fletch , really crude smearing bottom of the barrel stuff from a desperate falling off the wheels Trump campaign .

Oh, really? Why would the guy delete the whole website of the firm he works for if he had nothing to hide? The point is, that NONE of the mainstream media looked into Khan. Just a simple Google would have done it. None of them acted like real journalists would. If they had, they would have also found that the previous firm Khan worked for also had ties to Saudi Arabia and the Clintons. Is that not of interest to the public?

Here are some questions that Breitbart sent to CNN around the issues.

2.) Does CNN plan to, in the future, have a discussion about all of Khizr Khan’s various connections to the law firm that A) prepared Hillary Clinton’s taxes, B) helped with various aspects of Hillary Clinton’s illicit homebrew email server, C) is paid by the government of Saudi Arabia for representation here in the United States, among other things?

3.) Does CNN plan to, in the future, focus on the fact that Khan now runs a law firm that financially benefits from opposition to Donald Trump’s policies on migration — specifically that he aims to represent aspiring EB5 visa holders, who pay large sums of money to enter the country, a program that the Senate Judiciary Committee has uncovered as having major flaws?

4.) Has anyone at CNN done any work digging into any of this? You’re aware it’s all publicly available with a simple Google search and would have taken a junior producer less than an hour to find it all out?

That’s a shitload more interesting to me than the guy excoriating Trump. Oh, but the media would rather not look too closely at him.
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August 3, 2016 11:07am
waikatogirl

I agree. But how do you not see a logging truck on a straight road? Not a good idea to pull out in front of a truck but many seem to be ignorant of how much room trucks need to slow.

Pulling out in front of a logging truck is just asking for trouble. Awful for those killed but I feel sorry for the truck driver too.
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August 3, 2016 11:11am
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/82757397/professor-sir-ngatata-love-leading-academic-and-treaty-negotiator-on-trial-for-defrauding-his-iwi

Well well well. Another greedy fuck with his sticky fingers in the pie. Hmm a ” Professor” no less. A ” leading academic ” no less.
Defrauding his own iwi. What else have we got, oh..ex treaty negotiator?

Let me guess. Colonisation made him do it.
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August 3, 2016 11:18am
emmess

Captain Humayun Khan seems like an honourable man but this stood out for me.

After joining the University of Virginia, he signed up for the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps, which prepares university students to become officers in the US military.
His father, who is a lawyer, was opposed to the move. But the younger Khan persisted.
“He wanted to give back. That’s what he wanted to do,” his father told the Washington Post.
After graduating from university in 2000, he served in the Army for four years and rose to the rank of captain.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36945318

So the father who was opposed to his son joining the military in a time of relative peace is now trying to score cheap political points from his son’s status as a war hero?
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August 3, 2016 11:21am
sam green

That road’s a killer – time and time again. Yes – lack of concentration may be the issue – but it’s a completely unforgiving piece of highway that has had minor upgrades to fix the worst spots. There are numerous danger points on it – needs fixing now! – a bypass is going in “eventually”. Poor people and families and co-workers of those involved and poor truck driver and friend (and thumbs up to the rescue crew). This affected many many people in the area and industry.
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August 3, 2016 11:21am
Kimbo

@ Fletch

Oh, really? Why would the guy delete the whole website of the firm he works for if he had nothing to hide? The point is, that NONE of the mainstream media looked into Khan. Just a simple Google would have done it. None of them acted like real journalists would. If they had, they would have also found that the previous firm Khan worked for also had ties to Saudi Arabia and the Clintons. Is that not of interest to the public?

Um, the pertinent fact was his son had died fighting against radical Islam while serving in the US military. The media certainly reported that! Anything else, including his alleged business connections with Saudi Arabia is on a par with Michael Moore wittering on about the Bush family’s financial dealings with that same country and trying to make a connection with 9/11. Is a non sequitur.
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August 3, 2016 11:25am
Kimbo

@ sam green

That road’s a killer – time and time again.

Yep. New Zealand lost one of its greatest scholars far too soon, historian Michael King and also his wife in an accident on State Highway 2.
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August 3, 2016 11:27am
Don the Kiwi

Crooked Hillary is also a liar and deceiver:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxyMPMx15ik

How could you trust this banshee?
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August 3, 2016 11:28am
mikenmild

Elaycee
EAD is not Luc Hansen.
Luc was anti-Israel, but not anti-Semitic and was generally a left-winger.
EAD is a complete Nazi, and a gold bugger to boot
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August 3, 2016 11:31am
dave_c_

Indeed Emmess :

In fact, the father is also a hypocrite and liar of the highest order – It is not he who “made such sacrifice”, it was the son !
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August 3, 2016 11:32am
Fletch

Anything else, including his alleged business connections with Saudi Arabia is on a par with Michael Moore wittering on about the Bush family’s financial dealings

Not really. As I said, Khan and his law firm have a vested interest in allowing Muslim immigration to continue. They make money from bringing in wealthy Muslims from overseas. He may hold up his son as being one reason that he is opposed to trump (and fair enough), but he has other motivations for doing so as well – financial motivations.
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August 3, 2016 11:33am
Kimbo

@ emmess

So the father who was opposed to his son joining the military in a time of relative peace is now trying to score cheap political points from his son’s status as a war hero?

Bloody hell. Abraham Lincoln was opposed to his son serving during the American Civil War! Any parent would have some reluctance at the prospect of their offspring being placed in potential danger. And once they were gone it is also natural they try in some sense to “redeem” the loss in some way.

His son died. No, that does not give “unquestionable moral legitimacy” to his views. Nonetheless, his sacrifice and grief deserve respect. As tom hunter suggested, Trump would have been better to turn the responsibility for his son’s death on to the policies of Obama and his Secretary of State….Hillary Clinton.
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August 3, 2016 11:33am
emmess

Um, the pertinent fact was his son had died fighting against radical Islam while serving in the US military. The media certainly reported that!

Which his parents were against him doing.
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August 3, 2016 11:35am
starboard

“There are numerous danger points on it – needs fixing now! – a bypass is going in “eventually”.

Gummints only got so much money to spare unfortunately. Maybe if we stopped throwing $$ around like its confetti and wasting it on treaty claims et al, the bypass may have been installed sooner.

Mr Love could dip his hand into his pocket..pull out some of that misappropriated slush..” oohh, how did that get in there” and donate.
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August 3, 2016 11:35am
Fletch

Kimbo, I agree with what you say – to a point. What I see clearer is that the Democrats saw an opportunity to wheel this guy out and to hit Trump where his largest support is – the military. It’s all propaganda. The guy is a Clinton associate – his firm did her taxes and helped her with her email server. Yes, I know it is all par-for-the-course in elections, and both sides do it, but it’s so transparent.

Next it will be a little girl from Albania offering Hillary the first sheaf of the harvest (Wag the Dog reference ;))
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August 3, 2016 11:38am
Stars And Stripes

” Expects the abuser to do some community work with gay groups.”

I understand this community work involves hanging round the public toilets and offering to do prostate checks.
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August 3, 2016 11:39am
Kimbo

@ ~~Fletch~~ Michael Moore

Not really. As I said, ~~Khan~~ George Bush and his ~~law firm~~ family have a vested interest in allowing Muslim ~~immigration~~ investment in America to continue. They make money from bringing in ~~wealthy Muslims~~ Muslim money from overseas. He may hold up ~~his son~~ the war on terror as being one reason that he is opposed to ~~trump~~ Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein (and fair enough), but he has other motivations for doing so as well – financial motivations.

There! Fixed that for ya…except Bush was a politician, Khizr Khan is not.
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August 3, 2016 11:40am
tom hunter

What I see clearer is that the Democrats saw an opportunity to wheel this guy out and to hit Trump where his largest support is – the military.

And yet he fell right into their trap.

It’s all propaganda. The guy is a Clinton associate – his firm did her taxes and helped her with her email server.

And yet he fell right into their trap.

Yes, I know it is all par-for-the-course in elections, and both sides do it,

And yet he fell right into their trap.

… but it’s so transparent.

And yet he fell right into their trap.

The guile of streetfighter and an IQ of 156 – or something.
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August 3, 2016 11:42am
starboard

“Love is accused of taking two payments totaling a $1.5 million in late 2006 and early 2007, in exchange for showing favour to an Auckland property developer – Redwood Group – which was seeking to develop Tenths Trust land near Parliament. The payments were made through a company owned by his partner Lorraine Skiffington.”

ahh so that’s what ” koha ” is. Gimmee, and I will show favour otherwise you wont be building there buddy. But hang on, I thought NZ was one of the least corrupt countries in the world ? How much of this goes on that we don’t know about? I mean, Ive heard of the brown mafia, could he be part of it? No, being a “Professor” and a ” leading academic “..no, couldn’t be true..
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August 3, 2016 11:43am
starboard

“In 2015 Sir Ngatata Love’s son, Matene Love, a former Junior All Black and Victoria University of Wellington senior lecturer, pleaded guilty to a charge of accepting a secret commission from the same developer linked to the same transaction, although the sums involved were significantly smaller.
Matene Love served six months home detention in Palmerston North, but details of his offending remained suppressed until now.”

Well, buggar me..its all in the family, Matenes in on it, an ex Victoria University of Wellington ” senior ” lecturer as well.
Good to see he wasn’t as greedy as Dad.

I wonder if the A/G will step in ….

“The payment, from Redwood Group, related to the development of a building, Pipitea House, which now houses the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet as well as the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) and the Security Intelligence Service (SIS) New Zealand’s primary spy agencies.
The nature of the Secret Commissions Act means a prosecution cannot be launched without the consent of the Attorney General.”

The whole thing smells like a freshly laid turd.
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August 3, 2016 11:47am
Fletch

Kimbo, maybe you’re right, I don’t know. Bush and his family aren’t/weren’t perfect either. I would say corruption is rife in both parties, but one wrong doesn’t cancel out another. We’re talking about the here and now. The media is in the bag for Hillary. In the grieving parent stakes, they gave Khan 50 times more coverage than mother Patti Smith.

While all the grieving parents deserve sympathy, the Big Three (ABC, CBS, NBC) network evening and morning shows seemed to only care about the parents that showed up at the Democratic Convention. Khizr Khan and his wife Ghazla’s DNC appearance earned 55 minutes, 13 seconds of Big Three network coverage, nearly 50 times more than Pat Smith, whose RNC speech honoring her son earned just 70 seconds of airtime.

This is a textbook case of bias-by-agenda: One of these stories (the Khan story) matched the Democratic agenda, and the partisan media couldn’t push it hard enough. The other (the Smith story) reflected poorly on the Democratic nominee, so it was barely mentioned.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2016/08/01/khizr-khans-trump-criticisms-receive-50x-more-time-pat-smith
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August 3, 2016 11:48am
stephieboy

Fletch , as Kimbo has noted the pertinent fact is the Khizar Kan’s son died serving his country . If the immigration website was pulled it could be for a number of purposes including hacking , security and privacy concerns .

There is no evidence that the immigration consultancy service operative exclusively for Muslims or to facilitate a horde of Muslim arrivals

The pertinent facts are that his son died serving his country . Trump avoided and dodged the opportunity to do so and yet had the nerve to question John Mc Cain’s war service including of course Capt. Humayun Khan’.

I see Trump is making another ridiculous claim that if he was in charge then those like Humayun would of likely not have died .
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August 3, 2016 11:49am
SteveRemmington

The gay guy who took offence at the rugby player on the news has said it happens to him all the time , but this time he’s making a stand.

I say well done to him, no more bending over and taking it up the chuff he’s standing up for himself.

You go girl!
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August 3, 2016 11:51am
Kimbo

@ Fletch

Kimbo, I agree with what you say – to a point. What I see clearer is that the Democrats saw an opportunity to wheel this guy out and to hit Trump where his largest support is – the military. It’s all propaganda. The guy is a Clinton associate – his firm did her taxes and helped her with her email server. Yes, I know it is all par-for-the-course in elections, and both sides do it, but it’s so transparent.

Shock, horror! Someone who speaks at the DNC supports and may even have connections to…the DNC candidate?! Yeah, has to be another Watergate//

As per tom hunter, it is a candidate’s ability to successfully manage the propaganda – both pumping it out and countering it successfully – that demonstrates their competence and fitness for office. It is about the only test the voters have in an era of stage-managed campaigns.

Attacking a grieving father whose son died serving in the US military, no matter what “backstory expose” you can dig up, is unlikely to be a winning strategy. But if Trump, his attack-dogs and his supporters want to keep on digging…a hole for themselves…

I’m sure the Clinton camp is delighted. As per Napoleon, “Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake”.
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August 3, 2016 11:51am
Odakyu-sen

waikatogirl,

To speculate:
– the driver of the car might not have been very experienced
– it was the end of the day and the five men were probably talking among themselves as mates do (and the driver might have been distracted by the conversation)
– it was the end of the day, fatigue could have been a factor
– there is a bend in the high-speed road just before the cool store and so the view of the oncoming truck might have been obscured until the last moment (having an entry-exit just after a high-speed sweeper is extremely poor road design)

Ref:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11686070 (See aerial photo at bottom)
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August 3, 2016 11:52am
mikenmild

And Trump now appears to be channelling some of the crazier Kiwibloggers, claiming that the election might be rigged:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-s-afraid-election-about-be-rigged-n621191
Next he will be warning of assassination plots against him.
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August 3, 2016 11:56am
tom hunter

The media is in the bag for Hillary. In the grieving parent stakes, they gave Khan 50 times more coverage than mother Patti Smith.

And yet he fell ….

Oh fuck it. This is politics 101. Pat Smith’s son also “died serving his country”, and she blames Hillary for his death in the same way that Cindy Sheehan blamed GW for her son’s death.

Of course the MSM will heavily slant towards one grieving parent – the one supporting the Democrat nominee – than the other.

But Trump again should have known all this in advance. Hillary played the attack on her very well – sympathy for the family, “respect” and all that palaver, and even got a shot in on the parents “misrembering” what she said to them. She buried the story, with more than a little assistance from the MSM journalists who want to see her elected. What did Pat Smith get on the three big broadcast networks – a few seconds from each?

But Trump, with his supposed mastery of the media and the journalists gagging to report everything he says despite themselves (because clicks, eyeballs, ratings), had a golden opportunity to make all those points.

He could have done so in a quick press conference where they would have found it tough to edit out the remarks.

But he did not. He fluffed it completely. So much for media handling capabilities. Only if it’s all about him can he muster a response.
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August 3, 2016 11:56am
dave_c_

Ha ! I see that father Khan has dumped the website specialising in Muslim immigration !

One can only guess why !
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August 3, 2016 11:56am
Kimbo

@ Fletch

The media is in the bag for Hillary. In the grieving parent stakes, they gave Khan 50 times more coverage than mother Patti Smith.

Because the Clinton camp was smart enough to ignore it, and certainly not attack Patti Smith, or suggest she (Clinton) had somehow made a sacrifice that was in some way equivalent to the loss of a child!

But as Trump’s strategy right from the get-go has always been to speak beyond the media to the voters, what should the fact that the MSM is in the Democrat camp matter? Hell, that has been the case since, likely forever. Never stopped Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and the two Bushes get elected! So why are you whining and making excuses about what was always going to happen?
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August 3, 2016 11:59am
dave_c_

Todays quote for me – Mark Twain – “If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it”
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August 3, 2016 11:59am
starboard

Geez..where are all the apologists, MM , itsdrippy , you’re strangely silent on this one ?

“Sir Ngatata Love’s long time partner Lorraine Skiffington. She was also set to face corruption charges but has been granted a permanent stay on account of her health.”

Feelin a bit off colour sweetheart ? Bit sweaty ? Loose bowels maybe?
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August 3, 2016 12:01pm
mikenmild

Mencken for me: “On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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August 3, 2016 12:02pm
tom hunter

BTW – where are all the hardest of hard-core supporters of The Orange One? It’s a real shame that Fletch is the only one. I’m looking for the likes of “Cuckservative” Simon and deadrightkev. Oh – and Scott too.

Bit early to give up the fights and the arguments is it not? It being August 3rd. Are downticks all that remain?

Or was that election-rigging theory put out by Donald a signal to all the minions that it’s time to go howl at something else?

I’ll assume that the hope here is that this just another media shitstorm that ultimately will mean nothing and will slide off The Donald’s sleek back? No real impact on the election? It might be possible.
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August 3, 2016 12:03pm
Don the Kiwi

“The White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

It already is, and has been for the past 7 years.
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August 3, 2016 12:05pm
mikenmild

Most surveys of presidential IQ have them all at over 120, so well above average, even the most famously woeful like Buchanan, Grant and Harding.
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August 3, 2016 12:09pm
dave_c_

A “Sir” no less – If he’s guilty, he out to be stripped of that title.
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