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pdm

Wow – first.
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August 31, 2016 8:03am
Keeping Stock

I see the image for the “Wellington dirty deal” post still comes up in the sidebar DPF. Is there going to be a post about the likelihood of a similar “dirty deal” in Mt Roskill, where Labour is going to ask its marriage-partner-of-convenience, the Greens, not to stand a candidate in the Mt Roskill by-election?

I’m still mildly irritated by the whole Mt Roskill situation. Even though Phil Goff is still the MP for Mt Roskill, his attentions are clearly elsewhere while he campaigns to be Mayor of Auckland; on OUR dime! But Labour has arrogantly decided that Goff is a shoe-in for the mayor’s job, has already appointed a replacement candidate, and is campaigning as though a by-election has already been called, including trying to cut a “dirty deal” with the Greens.

Where’s Paddy Gower when you need him? His silence is deafening…
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August 31, 2016 8:07am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Paddy Gower is in the bunker working with Matt McCarten, the fighter we need per Gower, his yogi, to ensure the Labour Party’s independent mayoral candidate for Auckland is elected.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:19am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    So if Matt McCarten is Yogi, does that make Paddy Gower Boo Boo?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogi_Bear
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:31am
    - Nermal
      
      Sorry KS, I hate it when my fat finger hits the down tick instead of the up tick. Unfortunately once it’s done it can’t be fixed.
      
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      August 31, 2016 2:23pm
waikatogirl

Gorgeous clear spring morning in the Waikato. I hope everywhere around this beautiful country is also waking to a day full of sunshine and possibilities. 🙂
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August 31, 2016 8:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  A stunning morning along the Whanganui River as well waikatogirl. There wasn’t as much as a ripple on the water this morning as I drove to work along Putiki Drive.
  
  As much as it feels like spring however, I’m not so naive as to believe that we won’t get another wintery blast before September ends.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:11am
  - wiseowl
    
    Lovely day in the Bay with a little ripple on the water but more suspect ripples underneath.
    Just joking.
    Blossoms creeping out and birds changing to spring song .
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:25am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed great morning in Whanganui, as usual, but having to work overtme to pay my exorbitant rates.
    Town with the worst Council and local government politicians in the NZ. Has the only mountain to the sewer outlet bike trail in the world.
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:39am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It is beautiful alright. I will be off soon for morning tennis.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:16am
  - wiseowl
    
    Chuck Nadal!
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:26am
    - Nookin
      
      Chuck Connors!
      
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      August 31, 2016 8:44am
- PhilP
  
  And here in the Wairarapa there is not a cloud in the sky, a bit cold but expected to warm up nicely.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:38am
  - freemark
    
    I concur PhilP. Very nice place to be this morning. Not a traffic light, Motorway crash nor screeching Waterwoman to be seen.
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:53am
- alex Masterley
  
  A stunner here in Auckland.
  Thought about wagging for the day and going on a “course” but decided against it.
  The wife doesn’t tolerate malingering unless she is able to participate.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:50am
Don the Kiwi

The pressure is mounting on Crooked Hillary. She may not even get to the election:

” Hillary Clinton is facing the possibility of new revelations on her personal email scandal on multiple fronts, as the FBI prepares to release some of the documents from its investigation in a matter of days – and a watchdog group sends the Democratic presidential nominee a detailed set of questions she’s expected to answer “under oath” by next month.

The FBI files are being released in response to a number of Freedom of Information Act requests.

Law enforcement sources told Fox News that FBI and Justice Department officials are still in the process of determining what exactly will be released to the public as part of this response.

Fox News is told the release could come as early as this week.

The FBI’s report on the probe, which ultimately recommended no charges be filed, was first sent to the Justice Department in July. The DOJ dropped the case in response, though FBI Director James Comey concluded Clinton nevertheless had been “extremely careless” in her handling of sensitive information.”
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August 31, 2016 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
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  ” Hillary Clinton is facing the possibility of new revelations ..”
  
  Note ” possibility ”
  
  She is no more” crooked ” than your idol ” crooked ” Trump . Explain otherwise ?
  
  A source might prove helpful .
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:18am
  - emmess
    
    Stephieboy, can I ask you what do you get out of defending Hillary Clinton, when everyone knows that she is obviously totally corrupt? I mean she won’t even bother defending herself against these allegations, so why do you? I am not saying you get any tangible rewards from doing so, so does it make you feel good defending criminal behaviour? I just don’t get it.
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:18am
    - stephieboy
      
      I’ll keep defending Hillary until you and others come up with evidence and facts . Not crap like she slept through the Benghazi attacks , she freed a child rapist or husband and herself conspired to murder opponents etc, etc .
      
      What criminal behaviour ?
      
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      August 31, 2016 9:50am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well, she’s a complete and proven liar. The FBI have released 30 emails that are related to Benghazi that they were able to recover from her eMail server.
        
        That’s the private email server that she had sanitized, but of course claimed to have only removed the private emails. She has also stated (under oath at least once I believe) that she released ALL State Department related emails to State. Another 30 I see, and specifically about Benghazi, can’t easily be called private unless of course they are emails about which of her cronies are going to make money out of Libya…?
        
        And of course she had her lawyers examine the emails and delete them, which since there was classified information is strictly illegal as those lawyers don’t have security clearances. And don’t try to dispute the existence of classified information, read the FBI report, there were some strictly classified items present.
        
        So there’s a couple of law breaking incidents, perjury, illegally permitting access to classified information, failing to retain records as required.
        
        I know that US law doesn’t actually apply because she’s a Clinton, but all the same, a dirtbag dishonest person like this….as POTUS ? At least you could be sure when she was lying…her mouth was open.
        
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        August 31, 2016 10:48am
- Liberty
  
  Trump is no saint.
  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:00am
- Fletch
  
  The FBI has also said that 30 of the emails it has relate to Benghazi. So Hillary did not tell the truth when she said she had turned over every email that was related to her State Dep Job.
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:59am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  “Judicial Watch today announced it submitted questions to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton concerning her email practices. Clinton’s answers, under oath, are due on September 29. On August 19, U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan granted Judicial Watch further discovery on the Clinton email matter and ordered Clinton to answer the questions “by no later than thirty days thereafter….” Under federal court rules, Judicial Watch is limited to twenty-five questions.
  
  The questions are:
  
  Describe the creation of the clintonemail.com system, including who decided to create the system, the date it was decided to create the system, why it was created, who set it up, and when it became operational.
  
  Describe the creation of your clintonemail.com email account, including who decided to create it, when it was created, why it was created, and, if you did not set up the account yourself, who set it up for you.” … more here: http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-submits-email-questions-hillary-clinton-written-answers-oath-due-september-29/
  
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  August 31, 2016 12:16pm
- Nermal
  
  Sadly you are dreaming. Hilary Clinton could be shown on live TV feeding kittens and black babies into a chipper and the MSM, SJWs and left wing voters would still support her.
  
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  August 31, 2016 2:27pm
Chuck Bird

I see the poll average on the sidebar has NZF holding the balance of power.
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August 31, 2016 8:18am
Manolo

Who will blink first?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3764393/Apple-faces-bill-billions-Irish-tax-affairs-EU-rules-company-effectively-received-state-aid.html
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August 31, 2016 8:21am
Happychappy

Now the brawl at KFC with senior high school kids is the Governments fault according to a social advocate on The Hub this morning.What do we have to do in NZ to satisfy the whinging left,we feed their kids we give them milk in schools we clothe them with raincoats and footware and on top of that we pay them welfare in different types of benefits so the next thing they will be asking is for the state to baby sit them so their parents can have time out.It is time these bludges stood up and kept control of their own families like i did and be responsable for the shit their children cause
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August 31, 2016 8:24am
- stephieboy
  
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  Roger Fowler did not blame the government for the brawl but saw it as an issue partly as a result of a lack of community and sporting facilities . Facilities that both local and central government could fund .Maybe private sponsors as well.
  
  Those involved in the brawl were from a local school.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:32am
  - Longknives
    
    You really think a few ‘Community and Sporting facilities’ are going to stop these Feral Animals having knife fights at the Mangere KFC??
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:37am
    - jp_1983
      
      How about that fandangled Water park out at Manakau
      
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      August 31, 2016 8:57am
    - kowtow
      
      Yeah that’s why they’re feral non achievers, normal pupils go home after school ,do their revision or homework and succeed. These fuckwits carry knives , brawl and trawl the streets and then you get twats saying they need more taxpayer facilities. Go home , study and succeed.It is literally that simple.
      
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      August 31, 2016 9:10am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Too thick – can’t read. They could try to do something but yeah.
        
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        September 1, 2016 12:57am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Good point. If there were more sports facilities, they could have just shank each other on the basketball court not in a KFC. Oldschool Stylez.
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  There were calls that the police were too slow to get to the brawl.
  How about the parents bring their children up not to act like thugs. Apparently the kids don’t have enough to keep them amused, but the brawl moved past the open doors of the new community house opened to keep local kids busy. Fail.
  I hope the courts throw the book at these little shits. Act like criminals, they will be treated like criminals.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:33am
  - dave_c_
    
    If that is the case, and they were too slow, just imagine how long we’ll have to wait once the police are attending burglaries (as a priority)
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:40am
- Jack5
  
  It’s the multiculturism response. It’s always the Western host culture’s fault.
  
  There can be no progress until new folk learn there is no fault in admitting mistakes, wrongs, stupidity. Only then can you learn and progress.
  
  I note that the Hooerald on the web site has changed a heading over Fowler’s remarks from the original: “The real cause of the brawl”.
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:55am
pdm

Manolo – hard to see Apple stumping up with any dosh.
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August 31, 2016 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  An apple a day keeps the tax man at bay.In corrupt Oireland anyway.
  
  What would the Micks do wid da muney anyway, buy more ships to bring illegals to Europe. More criminality from the criminal political class.
  
  http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/irish-naval-crew-save-617-migrants-making-dangerous-trip-across-med-35005948.html
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:13am
Longknives

In cricket news England hit 444/3 in their ODI against Pakistan last night. (Sheesh I remember the days when 250 was considered a very high score!)
And The ‘Black Caps’ got thumped.
Despite all their chest thumping, cockiness and bravado the New Zealand Team just have no idea how to play Test Cricket-This ain’t T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ boys!
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August 31, 2016 8:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Did you actually watch any of ther cricket last night Longknives. The pitch at Centurion was a minefield on the third and fourth days; South Africa’s star batsmen Amla, Duminy and du Plessis were dismissed for 1, 0 and 6 in the second innings.
  
  Yes, the Black Caps fell cheaply in their second dig, but conditions were a factor in all the top four dismissals. Latham tried to leave the first ball he faced but it kicked up, hit his gloves, and dropped onto the stumps. Guptill got an absolute ripper first up that seamed away and bounced steeply, Taylor was LBW to a ball which kept so low it would have hit the stumps six inches above the ground, and Williamson, after being hit on the hand by Philander with a ball that kicked off a good length, never looked comfortable. I hope he hasn’t broken a bone in his hand with the Indian tour coming up.
  
  The Black Caps bowlers will rue letting South Africa off the hook in the first innings, and Faf du Plessis is probably very relieved to have lost the toss. Batting last on that pitch was always going to be difficult, but the Black Caps were simply outplayed, and it has nothing to do with T20.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:42am
  - calendar girl
    
    “The pitch at Centurion was a minefield on the third and fourth days ….”
    
    Which raises the question as to why the NZ team, as professional cricketers with all the knowledge about potential pitch and weather conditions that should have been in their possession, chose to field first. Is it reasonable now to point to the pitch, when NZ won the first advantage by the toss of a coin?
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:20am
  - Longknives
    
    Why ‘knuckle-down’ and bat to save the Test match when you can have a few hearty slogs and potentially get yourself a lucrative T20 contract?
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:46am
    - Kimbo
      
      Why engage with the facts that Keeping Stock took the time to bring to your attention when you can peddle the same load misinformation? Your game is slipping or do you just want to go to the big bruv troll territory?
      
      And if you are referring to Southee, he has always batted that way. used to be the way the likes of Freddy Trueman batted in his era and there is a certain logic to it – he’s picked as a bowler, not a batsman so may as well get on with it or get out before coping a blow on the hands that breaks your finger. Or did you really think on that wicket against Steyn and Philander that Southee and the other tail enders were going to bat out another 4 sessions (including against another 2 new balls if required!) with no prospect of rain?
      
      Shows how little you know about test cricket…
      
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      August 31, 2016 9:56am
      - Longknives
        
        Kimbo-That Aussie team that toured here last Summer was the weakest Australian side I’ve ever seen (In 30+ years of watching Test Cricket).
        I then watched what I considered to be a very strong New Zealand side throw away the Test series with what can only be described as lunatic tactics (Dancing up the track for a wild slog on Day One/Session One?)
        I also remember throwing my remote at the TV in disgust when we were batting to save the Test in England in 2015 and someone pulled a ‘Ramp Shot’!
        Sorry- But it’s going to take a lot of convincing that New Zealand actually care about Test cricket and aren’t just using it as a means to score T/20 contracts..
        
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        August 31, 2016 10:55am
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough – and good to see you argue some facts. Uptick from me.
        
        I was disappointed by how we did against Aussie. However, if there is one characteristic that has always characterised their cricket it has always been “attack”. Indeed, it has sometimes been their undoing on English and NZ wickets. In contrast we have always been pale imitations of the Poms relying on little more than grit…and other than for the purists (I consider myself one) it isn’t pretty to watch.
        
        Southee and McCullum before him play the way they do is their “natural” game, so likely not much point changing it.
        
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        August 31, 2016 11:03am
- srylands
  
  Yes. Kane Williamson is the only world class player in the test team At 26 I can see him having some disappointing experiences as captain over the next decade.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:45am
  - Kimbo
    
    I call bullshit. Leaving aside Rodney Redmond’s one and only test Taylor’s average is exceeded only by Stu Dempster, Martin Donnelly, and (currently) Kane Williamson. That palces him ahead of the likes of Bert Sutcliffe, Glenn Turner, Martin Crowe, Andrew Jones, Steven Fleming…
    
    Ross Taylor
    Tests: 73
    Runs: 5599
    High core: 290
    Average: 47.85
    Hundreds: 15
    Fifties: 25
    Catches: 117
    
    BJ Watling
    Tests: 42
    Runs: 2322
    High Score: 142*
    Average: 39.35
    Hundreds: 6
    Fifties: 12
    Catches: 134
    Stumpings: 6
    
    Latham is also a good opener by world standards, outstanding by historic NZ levels (although batting is easier now than it was 30 years ago on poorer wickets and against West Indian quicks!):
    
    Tom Latham
    Tests: 22
    Runs: 1554
    High Score: 137
    Average: 38.85
    Hundreds: 5
    Fifties: 7
    
    Also Southee, Boult and now Warner all average late 20/early 30s for their wickets, and of the three of them Wagner is the only one not to take over 100 test wickets (currently on 93). That is the same approximate average as Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad.
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:10am
    - Kimbo
      
      sorry, Wagner, not Warner
      
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      August 31, 2016 9:32am
- Kimbo
  
  Despite all their chest thumping, cockiness and bravado the New Zealand Team just have no idea how to play Test Cricket-This ain’t T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ boys!
  
  Not one of our great tests – and it was a good toss to lose! – but I can’t recall the Black Caps indulging in “chest thumping, cockiness and bravado”. Our media, maybe, but the Black Caps are not the Australians. Or do you expect us to turn up saying “we are gonna get stuffed by our opposition?”.
  
  Taylor knows how to bat at test level, so certainly does Williamson, and also Watling. Taylor ran himself out in the first innings and got a shooter in the second, and Latham, just as anyone opening can, got out to the new ball. Second innings trying to leave so at least his instincts are right.
  
  Our seam attack is good – unlucky in the first innings but good on the saffer upper order for digging in – and that ultimately won them the test, deservedly so.
  
  But Guptill is clearly not a test opener. After being given a whole year of chances he is still averaging…30 and he doesn’t stick around like Latham is capable of. Who else? Tried Rutherford and Fulton. Been there, done that. Nicholls? Got 76 in the second innings when we were batting for pride, but probably not.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:46am
  - mikenmild
    
    It was a silly decision to bowl first. Always bat first is the general rule.
    I think NZ’s performances are on the decline, frankly, since the ODI World Cup last year. The home and away series last summer against Australia was very disappointing.
    Our frontline bowlers are looking toothless when compared with good quality sides, and our top order batting is very fragile.
    I’m hoping for a bit more effort and application against India next month.
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:02am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Our frontline bowlers dismissed South Africa for 263 in the first innings of the Durban test, with Amla being the only Protea batsman to pass 50. They can’t have been that “toothless” mikenmild.
      
      Undoubtably and with 20/20 hindsight New Zealand should have chosen to bat on Saturday night. That they put South Africa in and could only take three wickets on the best batting day of the test left them on the back foot for the rest of the match, chasing the game.
      
      I think they also made a mistake by not blooding Jeet Raval in Zimbabwe. I think he and Latham have the potential to form a good opening partnership going forward, with Guptill either dropping to the middle order, or missing out at Nicholls’ expense. But the big disappointment of this tour has been Mitchell Santner. Perhaps he’s been afflicted by Second Season Syndrome whereby teams work him out after his first season and attack his weaknesses the next year. He remains a work in progress, but they should persist with him for the Indian tour at least. And I’m looking forward to seeing Ish Sodhi bowl in India.
      
      It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we play three spinners in India, with Wagner and one of Boult or Southee being used to take the shine off the new ball. Wagner has had success against India in New Zealand conditions, and is the ideal go-to seam bowler for India’s dustbowls. With play in India starting in the late afternoon (our time), there’ll be some fascinating cricket to watch and enjoy.
      
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      August 31, 2016 11:02am
      - mikenmild
        
        With Southee taking 1-80, maybe we shouldn’t laud the attack on that occasion too much. And, of course, we never got to judge whether the SAs would have done much better, but from 15/3 I’d hazard a guess that we wouldn’t have taken a first-inning lead.
        
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        August 31, 2016 11:11am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The test was beyond repair when Williamson inexplicably decided to bowl first after winning the toss.
  Not his greatest decision as captain.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:55am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, and he will learn from that. Unless you are in NZ or England you should always bat. Mind you, remember last time we were over there and McCullum won the toss and batted and we got rolled for 45?
    
    This was the first time they had played a test in winter on the veldt, so with not much chance of cloud cover at any stage, and no real idea how long the bounce would remain consistent and with a cover of grass which was going to burn off after a couple of sessions, you can understand the factors that caused him to gamble. Faf du Plessis would also have bowled
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:38am
Scott

Don the Kiwi – agree with you about Hillary, she is a deeply flawed individual who turned her tenure at the state department into a money making vehicle that would rival any 3rd world banana republic. Good on the ap for reporting it and hopefully the rest of the mainstream media will follow up with further exposes.
There is a reason she deleted 30,000 emails!
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August 31, 2016 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  It’s what they do in oligarchies.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:14am
stephieboy

Scott , of course Trump is a Saint? The Clinton Foundation is not designed for their personal benefit and profit.

Many , many allegations have been made about ” crooked ” Hillary by Trump, alt right media and conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones .None so far have stuck
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August 31, 2016 8:41am
- Ed Snack
  
  Not designed for their personal benefit; my god, what sort of blinker do you wear ? Have you ever looked at what the Clinton Foundation is supposed to be for and what it spends “its” money on ?
  
  There’s none so blind…
  
  But in one way it doesn’t matter, this administration and its DOJ will never prosecute Hillary Clinton (or any Clinton aide or associate) under any circumstances.
  
  The laws of the USA simply do not apply to the Clintons; they can work to their own set of rules.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:00am
  - Griff
    
    Not designed for their personal benefit; my god, what sort of blinker do you wear ? Have you ever looked at what the Clinton Foundation is supposed to be for and what it spends “its” money on ?
    
    Yip
    Repeating propaganda long ago debunked .
    
    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
    
    Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that “so little” of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation “actually go to charitable works” — a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6 percent of its annual revenues — but Fiorina is simply wrong.
    
    Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.
    
    Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:59am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Griff, ho ho ho, it’s more like less than 10%. That “independent”watchdog isn’t exactly correctly described, it was paid for by Clinton Foundation donors.
      
      The only “charity” that benefits from the Clinton Foundation is the Clinton family and cronies.
      
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      August 31, 2016 10:56am
- Huevon
  
  Hillary is a corrupt and sickly compulsive liar with bad policies.
  
  Trump is vain and a very aggressive businessman who has probably crossed legal lines, but he will build the wall and bomb the faithful Muslims in IsIS. That’s enough for me.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:09am
dave_c_

Get used to ‘life under a dictatorship’
– Google censoring pages which question Clintons health.
– Facebook censoring video exposing PBS cutting Hilary, TPP and Obamacare criticism.
– Facebook is censoring the exposure of censorship even !

What’ll be next ?
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August 31, 2016 8:42am
flipper

” ……… saw it as an issue partly as a result of a lack of community and sporting facilities . ”

FFS…it took place outside a rather large community centre. If they need/want more transfer the money from all the leeching “churches”, that keep the PIs poor
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August 31, 2016 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Said by someone who intimately knows the East Mangere community ?
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:48am
stephieboy

dave c , . life under a dictatorship ?Google censoring pages etc ?

Substantiate them ?

Otherwise typical Trumpkins Paranoid drivel !
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August 31, 2016 8:46am
- dave_c_
  
  Another of your typical responses stephieboy. Are you too lazy, or too indifferent to the issue/s that you wont research/discover for yourself.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:55am
  - Griff
    
    Yip dave c
    After a few thousand comments about crooked Hillary and not one actual fact most thinking people have written the rubbish you wonks spurt as crap.
    Benghazi
    Emails
    Health
    Clinton foundation.
    Baseless propaganda from the alt right .
    
    Trump has come out with gibbering lunacy.
    His ideas are not only illegal but would be extremely damaging to the USA and the western world .
    The wall idea is just stupid men can climb a wall if it was not patrolled twenty four seven by an armed force at huge cost it would be totally useless .
    Deporting 10,000,000 illegal aliens would be costly and necessitate a huge force to implement such draconian exercise
    Then you have all the work that 10.000.000 do .
    Where are you going to find replacement labor at the same price? Inflation will be the result.
    Tariffs on imports to protect USA jobs ?
    That is going to drive inflation as so much we buy has content from china .
    Do you think that china would not retaliate in kind?
    A trade War and contraction of the USA economy will be the result.
    Banning Muslim immigration even temporally?
    That is against the Constitutions establishment clause and illegal.
    Saving coal mining jobs.
    Go look at the price of the shit.
    Many coal company’s have already gone broke because fracking has made gas a cheaper product to use .
    Again the result will just be to screw the economy.
    Yet you idiots think he is a savoir of the usa
    Are you all really that ignorant about the impact of protectionist economics?
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:21am
  - itstricky
    
    John: The moon is made of cream cheese
    Anne: Surely not? How do you figure that?
    John: Go to the library and look for “books” on the subject – then you’ll know
    
    Sigh.
    
    What’s wrong with questioning someone and expecting them to give an intelligent reply that doesn’t comprise of “go look yourself”?
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:48am
  - itstricky
    
    Right. Done my “research”:
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+google+censoring+news+about+hillarys+health
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=are+there+aliens+amongst+us
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=was+the+moon+landing+faked
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:55am
    - dave_c_
      
      And do you conclude anything from that research ? Or are you just being smart ?
      
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      August 31, 2016 10:14am
      - itstricky
        
        There are just as many pages returned for:
        
        Moon landings were faked; and
        Aliens live amongst us
        
        As there are for
        
        Google is covering up Clinton health problems
        
        Go figure, Dave me olde china.
        
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        August 31, 2016 11:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    dave c , when you make claims like” Google censoring ” etc there is a reasonable expectation that you will back them up with facts and not rely on others to do that work for you .
    
    BTW preferably from websites known for their more balanced reporting and not just Infowars or Breitbart . etc
    
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    August 31, 2016 10:03am
    - dave_c_
      
      Would you suggest a few ‘reputable sites’ that are not managed by the MSM, which you would use as reference for your own views on issues ?
      
      In my view, the sites I visit (more often than not) have a reputable track record in espousing ‘truth’, and exposing corruption.
      
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      August 31, 2016 10:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        A reputable track record ? Infowars and Breitbart ? Surely not ?
        
        Others ?
        
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        August 31, 2016 11:36am
      - itstricky
        
        Jees, dave_c, just post your “evidence” already! Stop making everyone else run around for your allegations!
        
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        August 31, 2016 11:43am
Manolo

I seek EAD’s advice:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/30/these-bonds-still-yield-over-5-percent-but-are-they-safe-for-investors.html

Catastrophe bonds are yielding over 5 percent in an environment of ultra-low interest rates, but market-watchers warn investors need to take care before entering the $25 billion market.
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August 31, 2016 8:49am
pdm

Longknives said:
`Despite all their chest thumping, cockiness and bravado the New Zealand Team just have no idea how to play Test Cricket-This ain’t T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ boys!

Two major factors in this test as I saw it and I watched a fair bit including all of NZ’s second innings last night.
1. In hindsight a bad decision to bowl first.
2. Magnificent bowling by the Yarpies. Steyn proved he is the worlds number one bowler while Rabata and Philander were not far behind him – their new offie also looked the goods but early days yet for him.

Williamson and Nicholls were the only two to look comfortable while Guptil showed his ineptness against good bowling and Southee needs his arse kicked for his first innings display with the bat. For a senior player his display was unacceptable. Most of the other batsmen got almost unplayable deliveries in one or the other innings
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August 31, 2016 8:50am
Scott

Agree with stephieboy about hillary-none of the charges have stuck. She hasn’t been indicted for her extremely careless handling of classified email. She hasn’t been indicted for her handling of the state department where the majority of private individuals who met with her as secretary of state where also big donors to the Clinton foundation. Her and Bill were paid $150 million in speaking fees since Bill left office.

She promised to keep the Clinton foundation separate from her activities as secretary of state. She did not do that and her recovered emails show that Huma Abedin was the go between between Hillary, the state department and the chief executive of the Clinton foundation who arranged meetings between Hillary and big donors to the Clinton foundation.

It all stinks to high heaven stephieboy.
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August 31, 2016 8:55am
- mikenmild
  
  Maybe the lack of indictment has something to do with the FBI investigation finding no criminal wrongdoing.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Well…the FBI did find that the answers Crooked Hillary gave in her testimony to Congress were untruthful. Up to Congress now if they want to pursue it.
    
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    August 31, 2016 9:18am
    - mikenmild
      
      Oh, I’m expecting the impeachment proceedings will start immediately after her inauguration.
      
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      August 31, 2016 9:33am
      - itstricky
        
        The bloke who writes about 21 year olds dressed as babies told me that she’ll be in hospital before then. Oh, hot tip – he also told me the moon is made of cream cheese.
        
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        August 31, 2016 9:51am
  - Ed Snack
    
    mikenmild, funnily enough Comey said that Clinton was “extremely careless” which in most people’s minds(and dictionaries) fits with what the law actually requires (negligence).
    
    But she’s Hillary Clinton, Democratic nominee for POTUS, you simply can’t expect her to be held the sort of standards that normal people are held to.
    
    But doesn’t the undeniable fact that Clinton has flat out lied about the eMail business right throughout make you somewhat uncomfortable with her as a candidate ? I mean, another batch of emails recovered from the wiped server that deal with State Department business that were not given over to State as the law demands ?
    
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    August 31, 2016 11:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ed Snack , shall we approach Hillary’s undoubted shortcomings in a balanced way that also considers Trump’s not forgetting his associations with Jeffrey Epstein and visits to his slave island ?
      
      A specific email or emails that actually incriminate her in any way ?
      
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      August 31, 2016 11:10am
    - mikenmild
      
      Shit, if lying disqualified a politician from office, how would we ever get anyone elected?
      
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      August 31, 2016 11:12am
Manolo

Another day, another poll:
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
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August 31, 2016 9:01am
Manolo

A bright idea from the aging philanderer:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/29/bill-clinton-calls-for-rebuilding-detroit-with-syrian-refugees/

It is unclear from the video why Clinton seems to think it would be better to fill these Detroit jobs with imported foreign migrants rather than unemployed Americans already living there, who could perhaps benefit from good-paying jobs.
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August 31, 2016 9:03am
dave_c_

A comment on the Radio NZ news 6:00am today

There was a question about making monies/assistance to get to the bottom of the Havelock north water contaimination available.

The gist of it was that there would be no Government level help to do this – it’s a regional thing !

One commentator indicated that “We can plan and provide for a pest free NZ by 20nn, yet we can’t plan and provide for safe water availability”

I can’t help but agree. Seems our priorities as a country are absolutely screwed.
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August 31, 2016 9:04am
- mikenmild
  
  Indeed. The government has said that clean rivers are ‘impracticable’, but indulges in the fantasy of a predator-free New Zealand.
  The difference is that the former is achievable, but would require commitment and significant resources. The latter sounds good, but doesn’t require the government to actually do anything.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:11am
- Nookin
  
  Are you saying that the Territorial Authority and Regional Council, which collect rates for this very purpose and have a statutory obligation to do so, have no money, cannot access money, do not have the expertise and have to go cap in hand to the government for dosh and manpower?
  
  In case you missed the memo, pests and predators come within the domain of the Department of Conservation. Water is a regional issue. It is not a choice of one or the other. The criticism is a nonsense barb by a silly troll.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:12am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Maybe there was something in the water and the comment quality dropped off ?
    
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    September 1, 2016 4:14am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Not seeing the problem. It is a regional thing. Ensuring water quality is a responsibility of regional councils. It’s not the fault of anybody in the Wairarapa, Northland or Canterbury that the Hawke’s Bay council failed in that responsibility. Why should the national government pay for it?
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:18am
  - Kabull
    
    I heard/read somewhere a week or so ago that the people of Havelock North have vigorously objected to having their water supply treated in the same manner as Hastings. Instead they have been happy to have water taken directly from the ground and fed into their system with no treatment/purification. If that is correct …. need I say more?
    
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    August 31, 2016 11:20am
    - wiseowl
      
      The water has been fine for many years Kabull.
      There was no reason to treat it.
      
      Somehow it has been contaminated .It is still a mystery at this stage.
      
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      August 31, 2016 6:02pm
Hajji

So long as socialism exists in the minds of Kiwis, there will NEVER be a predator-free New Zealand!
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August 31, 2016 9:12am
- stephieboy
  
  Hajji, expand on that extraordinary comment ?
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:34am
Manolo

The Frogs argue endlessly while the country goes down the gurgler:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/france-manuel-valls-breasts-headscarf-burkini-ban-row
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August 31, 2016 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Just because some see common sense about the ban on the burkini ?
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:37am
mikenmild

I see the GOP might be changing it stance on confirming a Supreme Court justice from “let the next President make the appointment” to “let the next President make the appointment, unless that president is Hillary Clinton”.
Chuckle.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/30/grassley_open_to_lame_duck_merrick_garland_senate_hearings.html
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August 31, 2016 10:03am
big bruv

Why would anybody want to spend good money on more facilities for South Auckland when the savages who live there would only destroy those facilities?
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August 31, 2016 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
  One they are not savages and two there is no evidence they would necessarily trash or burn down a gym or other community facilities .
  
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  August 31, 2016 11:15am
  - starboard
    
    You live in a bubble if you think the savages/specials don’t trash community facilities. They revel in it, if they can smash it, graffiti it, shit on it, they do. Wakey wakey stiffybot.
    
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    August 31, 2016 12:59pm
  - big bruv
    
    Clearly you dont spend a lot of time down south stephieboy
    
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    August 31, 2016 1:00pm
  - Manolo
    
    But they are, stephieboy. They are.
    
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    August 31, 2016 1:46pm
SGA

Quick question – in the old format of this site, I could quickly dip into KB every now and again and see what had been added to a thread since last time I dipped. Now the new content is scattered over the entire length of something like General Debate. Is there a way around this (something to click)? Thanks in advance.
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August 31, 2016 10:23am
- mikenmild
  
  No, you are stuck with it, even though it sucks.
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:39am
  - SGA
    
    Oh well, I imagine it will suit some users and discourage others. C’est la vie.
    
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    August 31, 2016 10:45am
    - kowtow
      
      “C’est la vie” ? That’s so aujourdhui.
      
      The inclusive thing these days is
      
      InshAllah.
      
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      August 31, 2016 11:09am
    - tom hunter
      
      I think the idea may be to provide readers with the ability to “trend” specific debates on GD. You don’t have to trawl back and forward, it just naturally pulls you straight into the midst of something that’s drawing debate and you can add to that or not.
      
      Having said that, the three-level nesting limit rather stuffs a “hot topic”, although I see the point in terms of LR space, and the speed with which specific topics flare and die within GD anyway.
      
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      August 31, 2016 11:29am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Numbered threads, pretty please, DPF, are easier to come back to if you want to read further comments.
  
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  August 31, 2016 5:29pm
Longknives

Has anyone else been unfortunate enough to go to the Movies lately?
The preview for the Richie McCaw ‘Movie’ (It’s actually just an Adidas/NZ Rugby funded Documentary) drones on for what seems like an eternity.
Loads of clearly scripted and rather tired cliches
“It’s not enough to be an All Black I want to be a great All Black” (Christ I think I read that one in Kirwan’s Autobiography twenty years ago!) etc all delivered in that famous McCaw monotone- He honestly sounds barely interested himself.
Listening to Captain Charisma is painful enough but the freaking Lorde soundtrack just about made me walk out- Surely they could have found some rock music or something maybe less depressing?
Anyway it looks painful- A couple of reviews have rubbished it as well.
*The guy in the Trenchcoat by himself seemed to be enjoying it though- D4J was that you?
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August 31, 2016 10:24am
- big bruv
  
  Knives
  
  You went to see this wank fest?
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:25am
  - Longknives
    
    It was a preview/trailer Bruv.
    I was there watching something else..
    
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    August 31, 2016 10:29am
    - mikenmild
      
      You poor petal.
      
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      August 31, 2016 10:40am
- dave_c_
  
  The less we hear about this proverbial ‘cheat’, the better.
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:58am
stigie

“*The guy in the Trenchcoat by himself seemed to be enjoying it though- D4J was that you?”

Did he have a snipers rifle..?
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August 31, 2016 10:52am
- SGA
  
  You mean that in a Mae West sort of way?
  
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  August 31, 2016 10:56am
wreck1080

Ha, chris brown in hot water again, this time holding a gun to a womans head which sounds like he could be headed for some serious jail time.

This is the guy that many people wanted to let into NZ saying he is a reformed man and a good role model for how to treat women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3765250/Chris-Brown-police-investigation-threatening-woman-gun.html
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August 31, 2016 11:02am
- Longknives
  
  Wreck- Tariana Turia went into bat for Chris Brown as he was apparently a ‘Role Model’ for Maori kids!
  That he is now reportedly taunting and threatening the Cops following the latest Firearms incident speaks volumes of her values..
  
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  August 31, 2016 11:09am
  - RalphT
    
    Actually LK, while it may reflect on her values it also sadly shows that she knows the values of her followers very well.
    
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    August 31, 2016 11:36am
Fletch

If anyone thinks that women in Islamic countries really want to wear the shapeless hijab / burqa etc, check out these images of fashion in Iran before the revolution (you can find more yourself by googling ‘Iran fashion pre-revolution’).

https://nz.pinterest.com/12drm/pre-islamic-revolution-iran-in-1970/

These are women for crying out loud, and women love fashion.
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August 31, 2016 11:05am
Fletch

My previous comment is “awaiting moderation” so here is a slightly different one along the same lines. How women in Iran dressed before the revolution – before they had to wear the shapeless burqa and hijab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF47rrHd7wo
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August 31, 2016 11:15am
- stephieboy
  
  The wearing of Burqa is not mandatory in Iran . Women’s dress is more in keeping and similar to the Salwar Kameez common in South Asia .
  
  Do you find scanty attire common in the west somehow alluring and liberating suitable for wearing at Mass or Church ?
  
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  August 31, 2016 11:23am
  - Fletch
    
    Well, what was wrong with the fashion pre-revolution? Before the ayatollah? What is wrong with the fashion in these pics?
    
    http://m.atchuup.com/iran-in-the-1960s-and-1970s/
    
    Tell me women could wear something like this now.
    
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    August 31, 2016 11:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , No ! All I was pointing out that the burqa is not mandatory in Iran as you claimed .
      
      Even India requires women tourists and visitors wear modest clothing .
      
      Again is this kind of attire acceptable at a Catholic mass ?,
      
      http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/026.jpg
      
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      August 31, 2016 11:42am
mikenmild

This will make big bruv and Longknives happy: Brian O’Driscoll has a whinge about the all black, and our whole country:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/83743845/ireland-rugby-great-brian-odriscoll-takes-aim-at-new-zealand-in-twitter-feud
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August 31, 2016 11:17am
- Longknives
  
  To be fair Mikenmild it’s not just BOD that’s upset about the Franks Eye-Gouge shocker. If you took your Black eyepatch off you would see there are some pretty disgusted/disillusioned media and fans all over the Rugby World..
  
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  August 31, 2016 3:00pm
Griff

Alex Jones whacko .
Trump is a big fan
https://youtu.be/7_0f3n8wUHE
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August 31, 2016 11:31am
chiz

SGA:

Quick question – in the old format of this site, I could quickly dip into KB every now and again and see what had been added to a thread since last time I dipped. Now the new content is scattered over the entire length of something like General Debate. Is there a way around this (something to click)? Thanks in advance

I think this means everyone is supposed to use RSS.
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August 31, 2016 11:48am
waikatogirl

The member of the PM’s security detail who in June left his glock pistol in a parliamentary toilet, is no longer in the job.

Bet he’s kicking himself for not checking he had all his essentials before he left the loo.
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August 31, 2016 12:03pm
- mikenmild
  
  Brings to mind the “Cocks not Glocks” protest in Texas to protest a stupid concealed carry law:
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/25/cocks-not-glocks-texas-campus-carry-gun-law-protest
  
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  August 31, 2016 12:11pm
- starboard
  
  And nor should he be. He should have been sacked on the spot .
  
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  August 31, 2016 12:49pm
- kowtow
  
  If a member of the public had been that negligent with a firearm , they’d be charged . Was this guy?
  If not then there are differing standards of justice for mere citizens in Aotearoa as opposed to gummint functionairies.
  Not a good look in a democracy that pretends to pride itself on its egalitarian nature.
  
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  August 31, 2016 1:00pm
Flyingkiwi9

A few years ago we denied Chris Brown a visitors visa.

The Maori party and many others called it a racist decision and that we should let him in and basically parade him as a roll model.

Turns out he’s actually just a criminal.
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August 31, 2016 12:11pm
Reid

I’ve decided I don’t like this thread business so from now on all my replies are going on the main root thread. So there.
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August 31, 2016 12:51pm
Reid

So for all the people that still hallucinate Killary is fit to be POTUS,

One can’t help but agree with Colin Kaepernick’s assessment of Hillary Clinton…

We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally…That doesn’t make sense to me because if that was any other person you’d be in prison. So, what is this country really standing for?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-30/fbi-recovers-30-benghazi-emails-deleted-hillary

and

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-30/hillary-has-until-september-29-respond-under-oath-these-25-questions-judicial-watch

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/clintonorgangrnd.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/heroffice_0.jpg
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August 31, 2016 12:53pm
Reid

Clinton Cash: full movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp2akjuUULI
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August 31, 2016 1:09pm
Griff

Reid linking to webshites does not convince us of much besides your critical thinking skills need lots of work.
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August 31, 2016 1:20pm
- mikenmild
  
  Zero Hedge and Rense. Say no more. It’s like absorbing your knowledge of the Second World War from Commando comics.
  
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  August 31, 2016 1:29pm
  - mikenmild
    
    On reflection, that’s a bit harsh on Commando comics.
    
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    August 31, 2016 1:30pm
    - Longknives
      
      Take that Fritz!
      
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      August 31, 2016 2:56pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Achtung! Gott in Himmel!
        
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        August 31, 2016 3:18pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Strangely enough the only Commando comic story I can recall (always found a few in the woolshed after the shearers had been through) was one I still think was pretty cool.
      
      The story was that a British Commando team had been given the task of rescuing a group of French Resistance from some Gestapo prison out in the country (converted French Manor as I recall). After a massive firefight they manage to at least enable the group (most of them) to escape, but the Commandos and Gestapo all die before they actually see this happen.
      
      As a result, on the same night every year, the ghosts of the Commando team return to try and free the prisoners – and every year it ends with them having failed.
      
      The story has it that, years after the war, the three remaining survivors of the Resistance decide to go to the now abandoned prison and blow it up in a desperate attempt to free these anguished souls. But things go badly wrong and they’re trapped in some interdimensional hell where they have to relive all the horrors of their youth, just as the Commandos have to. Somehow they escape this and get back to our world with the aid of the Commando ghosts, who now realise that they succeeded (amazing what chemical explosives can do to interdimensional portals)
      
      The story ends with the prison being blown to pieces in our world by the old Resistance people, as they originally intended, thereby putting the RIP into the ghosts.
      
      Now come on – compared to the shite that Hollywood is currently pumping out, isn’t this a better story? Would you not pay money to see it compared to shelling out for Aquaman IV or whatever other fresh offal is on the way in the next few years?
      
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      August 31, 2016 6:01pm
      - mikenmild
        
        The Commando comics were indeed cool, but we had to put up with the cheaper Battle Picture Library.
        I don’t remember much about the war comics, apart from the generous ration of cliches. but I did have one favourite, where a bespectacled British officer is treated with contempt by a group of Australians until they realise he is a test cricketer with a very handy bowling action, which he uses to deliver hand grenades into Japanese bunkers.
        
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        August 31, 2016 6:07pm
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        True that. I read whatever I could get my hands on, but I used to subscribe to the 1980s version of Eagle magazine, which came out every week. It had Dan Dare and Doomlord et al…
        
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        August 31, 2016 6:57pm
Reid

Less work than your thinking skills require however Griff, seeing as how you appear to hallucinate Killlary is qualified to be a POTUS candidate, as opposed to being in prison.
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August 31, 2016 1:27pm
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  Actually Reid I dont like the idea of the wife of a former president becoming president .
  Smacks of dynastic rulers and banana republics.
  Pointing out the propaganda that many seem to believe about Clinton is garbage does not mean I support her politically.
  I can tell you that being a rational atheist I would find it impossible to support the Republican party as it is full of gibbering theology driven loons.
  This view is shared by the majority of educated people in the USA .
  
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  August 31, 2016 3:12pm
stephieboy

Rense is notoriously anti-Jewish and Judicial watch a joke .

Zero Hedge finds itself more and more as a propaganda arm of Russian media and high finance conspiracy theories .

Clinton Cash You Tube ? Oh its got to be true }?

and this comment is germane ,

“These sorts of movies would be much more convincing without the dark foreboding music and sound effects.”
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August 31, 2016 1:33pm
Doctor Who

http://www.ecowatch.com/berkeley-soda-tax-1992066540.html
“Berkeley Soda Tax Is Working”

“Jennifer Falbe and other investigators from Kristin Madson’s group at UC Berkeley have just produced an analysis of the effects of the Berkeley soda tax on consumption patterns.

“Berkeley’s soda tax passed in a landslide in November 2014.

‘They surveyed people in low-income communities before and after the tax went into effect. The result: an overall 21 percent decline in reported soda consumption in low-income Berkeley neighborhoods versus a 4 percent increase in equivalent neighborhoods in Oakland and San Francisco.

“Los Angeles Times breaks out these figures:

“In Oakland and San Francisco, which have not yet passed a tax, sales of regular sodas went up by 10 percent.

“Other findings, as reported by Healthy Food America:

“During one of the hottest summers on record, Berkeley residents reported drinking 63 percent more bottled water, while comparison cities saw increases of just 19 percent.

“Only 2 percent of those surveyed reported crossing city lines to avoid the tax.

“The biggest drops came in consumption of soda (26 percent) and sports drinks (36 percent).
Agricultural economist Parke Wilde at Tufts views this study as empirical evidence for the benefits of taxes. He writes on his U.S. Food Policy blog that it’s time for his ag econ colleagues to take the benefits of taxes seriously:

“There is a long tradition in my profession of doubting the potential impact of such taxes … Oklahoma State University economist Jayson Lusk, who also is president of the Agricultural and Applied Economics Association (AAEA), has blogged several times about soda taxes, agreeing with most of the Tamar Haspel column in the Washington Post and concluding stridently: “I’m sorry, but if my choice is between nothing and a policy that is paternalistic, regressive, will create economic distortions and deadweight loss, and is unlikely to have any significant effects on public health, I choose nothing” (emphasis added).

“Wilde points out that Lusk has now modified those comments in a blog post.

“All that said, I’m more than willing to accept the finding that the Berkeley city soda tax caused soda consumption to fall. The much more difficult question is: are Berkeley residents better off?

“Yes, they are.”
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August 31, 2016 1:51pm
- Fletch
  
  The Berkley soda tax targets the poor, while leaving the elites alone, whose coffee drinks from Starbucks contain even more sugar than soda.
  
  Elite upper-class UC professors would vocally shame a soda guzzlers carrying a 64 ounce Mountain Dew Arctic Burst, but they are mum when it comes to their own Starbucks Venti Caramel Brulée Frappuccino, packed with 520 calories. Furthermore, large sugary coffee drinks contain about 50 percent of an adult’s daily recommended allowance of saturated fat.
  
  According to one New York City poll, only 11.2 percent of those living in the elite upscale Chelsea or Greenwich Village and just 18.4 percent of adults in the tony Upper East and West Sides popped a soda a day. That was far below the poor neighborhoods of Brooklyn’s Flatbush, where 45.7 percent popped a soda each day and the South Bronx, where 45.5 percent of residents are daily soda drinkers.
  
  But if the study would have included sugared coffee drinks, the percentage of elites that imbibe sugared drinks would have been much more similar. There are 2,000 Starbucks locations in New York City, with the vast majority in upscale communities. For the low sugared soda drinkers of Chelsea, Greenwich Village and Upper East and West Sides, there is a Starbucks every two blocks on average, plus plenty of coffee competitors.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/08/27/berkeleys-soda-tax-upper-class-war-poor/
  
  But the elites know what’s best for you. As long as they can still have their sugary drinks and not be taxed.
  
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  August 31, 2016 7:03pm
Manolo

The state of the race:
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160710-20160830/collapsed/true/spotlight/1
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August 31, 2016 2:10pm
Manolo

Will it work?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-considers-last-minute-meeting-in-mexico-with-the-countrys-president/2016/08/30/5a694790-6f12-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.html

Donald Trump is considering jetting to Mexico City on Wednesday for a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, just hours before he delivers a high-stakes speech in Arizona to clarify his views on immigration policy, according to people in the United States and Mexico familiar with the discussions.
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August 31, 2016 2:11pm
Manolo

Those of us who have seen it can confirm how terrible it is:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/25/haze-news-singapore-air-quality-worsens-overnight-as-indonesia-fire-arrests-jump.html

On Friday, Singapore woke up to a deterioration in air quality overnight, as a thin cloak of haze hung over the city-state. The country’s environment agency said that its 3-hour Pollution Standards Index hit the unhealthy level at 10am SIN.

Neighbouring Malaysia had already been feeling the effects of the drifting smog since mid-August, local media reported.
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August 31, 2016 2:25pm
Paulus

I see the question raised by Albert Ross that Hawke’s Bay water is a regional problem and not a national one.
I agree with him and suggest that in the same circumstances why was I taxed to provide for the greedy people of Christchurch many who stuffed up their insurances by buying a cheap product from a small mutual – as a mutual they owned the company – then complaining that it was not their fault. Even the Council stuffed their insurances and correctly lost tens of millions.
Not my problem !
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August 31, 2016 2:40pm
Reid

I see the question raised by Albert Ross that Hawke’s Bay water is a regional problem and not a national one.

It’s a regional one unless and until it becomes a problem too big for a small region to handle comfortably on its own.

At that point the sensible, civilised and common-sense thing to do is step in and give them a hand, and if that means bringing in hydrologists from around the country to help them work the problem, why is that the wrong thing to do?

User pays has its place, but rigidly adhering to it at all times and in all situations as a matter of principle no matter what the circumstance, is as idiotic, incorrect and hide-bound as rigidly adhering to taxpayer funding of all things no matter what the circumstance is. Both proposals arise from fanaticism, and last time I looked, fanatics aren’t very good at solving problems.
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August 31, 2016 3:21pm
Reid

GoPro: Waltz On The Walls Of City Hall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm0Ny_LcCAY
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August 31, 2016 4:15pm
Reid

Yet another blow for Killary supporters.

Huma’s relly’s are high-ranking Al’Qa’ida/MB rellies.

And WHO the HELL is HUMA ABEDIN – Clinton LESBIAN SCANDAL or AL QAEDA Insider?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xjZVlOtOM

On and on and on and on and still, even now, some Killary supporters desperately cling to the koolaid, grasping it for all they’re worth, as if admitting that they have, in fact, been wrong, is just far too painful for them, they’d rather go on believing the worst POTUS candidate in history doesn’t have any flies on her, at all.

And BTW, want proof of her poor health? Watch this, then watch all the ones in the sidebar too. Then come back and explain why all this video evidence means that, to you, she’s perfectly healthy and capable of the constitutional fortitude required for the POTUS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIygLQPfeW4

I suppose it’s occurred to everyone that when you vote for Killary, you’re actually voting for her ticket-mate.
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August 31, 2016 4:23pm
- mikenmild
  
  You’re struggling a bit today, Reid. Even a noted dimwit such as yourself couldn’t possibly believe that mash-up of innuendo and outright bullshit.
  
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  August 31, 2016 4:27pm
Reid

So no comment on the vids then mm?

No, I thought not.

I’ll take that as a: I’d like to disagree by arguing against the evidence but because it’s so strong I can’t so what I’ll do is make a snide and irrelevant remark and hope no-one notices what a complete fool I’ve just made of myself.
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August 31, 2016 4:40pm
- mikenmild
  
  That was my comment on the Huma Abedin video – it’s a mash-up of garbage. Did you have trouble understanding that? Try reading the words more slowly – sound them out if it helps.
  
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  August 31, 2016 4:43pm
Manolo

Take a look. These scummy aspiring new Europeans have even built three mosques:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3766036/The-Jungle-ready-blow-two-stabbed-gang-clash-Afghans-Sudanese-migrants-trying-board-lorries.html

Two Afghans were stabbed yesterday in a clash between rival migrant gangs in Calais trying to board lorries bound for the UK.

The men, in their early 20s, were part of a larger group confronted by Sudanese migrants in The Jungle camp. They are in a serious condition in hospital, one with a wound to an artery in his neck.
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August 31, 2016 5:27pm
Reid

That was my comment on the Huma Abedin video – it’s a mash-up of garbage.

So you approve of a POTUS candidate having a very, very, very close aide who has rellies in both Al-Qa’ida and Muslim Brotherhood senior leadership positions? You seriously think that’s just fine, there’s nothing to see here, just move on?

Wow.

Have to say mm, you lefties are incredibly naive in almost every little thing. It’s no wonder really then is it, that whenever you guys get your paws on the levers of power, massive fuck-ups quickly ensue to the extent that by the time your execrable mob gets booted out, everyone in the whole country really truly hates your guts. It’s what happened to Lange, it’s what happened to Hulun, it’s what’ll happen next time your lot find an idiot just presentable enough to fool enough people some of the time. Boy I’m glad I’m not a lefty, it must be just awful. Why do you put yourself through it? Are you all masochists?
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August 31, 2016 5:41pm
Nostradamus

I’m following the Australian political story of the day:

My colleague Anna Henderson reports that a foundation for disadvantaged communities has rejected a donation from Labor Senator Sam Dastyari, in the wake of concerns about funds he accepted from China-linked interests to repay a debt.

Senator Dastyari has admitted he was wrong to let a company with links to the Chinese Government pay a $1,670.82 bill incurred by his office.

Under parliamentary privilege Government Senator Cory Bernardi has claimed the transaction has the “stench of corruption” and called for him to stand down or be sacked.

Senator Dastyari said “on reflection” he should have paid the bill himself, and he’s promised to donate the money to charity.

The ABC has confirmed the Australian Literacy and Numeracy Foundation received a donation this morning.

But a board member of the foundation Tom Calma has confirmed the money has been returned. He said that while the money is being questioned in parliament the foundation “didn’t want to be compromised” by receiving the money.

I don’t understand the charity’s position. Dastyari made a personal payment to “fix” his mistake. The money that the charity received didn’t come from Chinese interests for heaven’s sake. So why would a charity reject a donation that, in other circumstances, it’d gratefully accept? Of course, if it’s flush with money and doesn’t need donations, that’s another matter entirely… but I doubt that’s the case.
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August 31, 2016 6:06pm
starboard

Nationals failed miserably on crime..up 29%. How about diverting funds from maori television , farnowora , et al and giving to plod..give us another 2000 police so we can crush the scum.

1/10 National…must do better.
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August 31, 2016 6:08pm
Nostradamus

A story of public humiliation:

A devout Christian French teacher who was pictured in bed with a 17-year-old pupil has been found unfit to work with children, despite her husband denying the tryst took place.

Isabelle Graham, 28, was accused of repeatedly “engaging in sexual activity” with a pupil after being photographed with him in a Travelodge in Edinburgh after a prom night. She denied the charge. A disciplinary hearing found yesterday that she was guilty of charges against her and has been barred from the profession by the General Teaching Council for Scotland (GTCS).
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Graham, who was not present or represented at the hearing, denied the charges and claimed to have no recollection of events after 10.30pm, having drunk four glasses of wine.

She is understood to be living abroad with her husband Andrew Wilkie, who is training for the clergy.

They were married in July 2015 and she claimed in a statement that, as a Christian, she was saving herself for their wedding.

“In all the time I have known her, Mrs Graham has always put her Christian faith above all other things,” Wilkie said in a statement to the panel. “I have never had any doubt that the allegations made against Mrs Graham were false.”

Let’s hope for Wilkie’s sake that he did, in fact, have sex with a pure virgin on their wedding night!
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August 31, 2016 6:25pm
- mikenmild
  
  Another testimony to the power of self-delusion. I hope they are happy together and he never has to hear any more ‘false’ allegations.
  
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  August 31, 2016 6:28pm
- Longknives
  
  My Christian Education Teachers weren’t 28 year-old hot blonde girls dammit!
  Although they did try to get you drunk and into bed (I went to a Christian Brothers School)
  
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  August 31, 2016 6:33pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Just to clarify, Longknives, do you mean that male Christian education teachers (since 28 year-old hot blonde girls weren’t available) tried to get you drunk and into bed?
    
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    August 31, 2016 6:38pm
nasska

….”I went to a Christian Brothers School”…..

You poor bastard! Yet I’m sure your only regret is that you had but one botty to give in service of the Lord. 🙂
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August 31, 2016 6:53pm
- Nostradamus
  
  I think you can only spank one bottom at a time, anyway, Nasska?
  
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  August 31, 2016 6:59pm
nasska

Spank? You mean foreplay? 🙂
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August 31, 2016 7:01pm
Reid

Anyway, can anyone recommend a really good classic (40’s-50’s) movie?

Sorts of things like The Bedford Incident, Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Lavender Hill Mob?

Thanks in advance.
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August 31, 2016 7:26pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Reid:
  
  Are you planning a movie night tomorrow?
  
  Here’s a lazy Google search on my part: 100 Greatest Films from the 1940s (I haven’t watched any of these).
  
  The word “Nazi” gets bandied about on Kiwiblog a lot, so number 29 on the list might be controversial:
  
  Notorious (1946)
  8/10
  A woman is asked to spy on a group of Nazi friends in South America. How far will she have to go to ingratiate herself with them? (101 mins.)
  
  And 91:
  
  The Seventh Cross (1944)
  7.4/10
  In Nazi Germany in 1936 seven men escape from a concentration camp. The camp commander puts up seven crosses and… (112 mins.)
  
  Hope the list gives you some inspiration anyway.
  
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  August 31, 2016 7:37pm
nasska

If Nostra’s suggestions fail to inspire Reid, have a look at Debbie Does Dallas.

It’s more 60s & 70s but you probably won’t notice that! 🙂
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August 31, 2016 7:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  I note you’re not recommending something that sounds more … manly … like “David does Daniel”. Reid seems like an open-minded person, but perhaps, as you say, he’d like to watch something more conventional tomorrow night!
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:07pm
  - nasska
    
    We’ll see how he stands up to Bambi Woods’ charms Nostra. Reid has lived a sheltered life & I feel that 3D unlubed man sex might be too much for him at this stage. 🙂
    
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    August 31, 2016 8:16pm
    - Longknives
      
      Mr Hardwick’s Candle Emporium! (We had the VHS in my Varsity flat)
      
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      August 31, 2016 8:23pm
mikenmild

Maybe Triumph of the Will would be Reid’s sort of thing.
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August 31, 2016 8:06pm
Manolo

The RINO is almost 80 and still hungry for power:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/31/mccain-easily-defeats-republican-challengers-to-win-arizona-primary.html

PHOENIX – Sen. John McCain beat back a primary challenge Tuesday from a Republican tea party activist to win the right to seek a sixth term in November in a race that has been inundated with questions about GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.
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August 31, 2016 8:32pm
Reid

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

Most appreciated.

Maybe Triumph of the Will would be Reid’s sort of thing.

I saw a doco awhile ago mm amongst which included what happened to Leni Riefenstahl after the war. You know, taken to a rape camp along with hundreds of other innocent German women etc etc etc. Ah those were the days, say Western sheeple that hallucinate nothing at all was wrong with that war in terms of the way WE conducted it… Poor ignorant fools, aren’t they, mm.

And BTW, have you watched any of those three exemplars I gave above? You should, they’re very good. Especially The Bedford Incident

Nosty, clearly you haven’t explored that era yet. When you do, Ealing Studios are very, very good.
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August 31, 2016 8:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  Oh yes, the poor Germans. Terrible. It’s almost as though they had started a war or something, or murdered millions of people.
  
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  August 31, 2016 8:53pm
Reid

Oh yes, the poor Germans. Terrible.

Only if you want to play fair mm.

If you want to play fair then what the West did to innocents was equally evil to what they did.

See, scale doesn’t matter, but intent does and so does exigency. If there is intent but no reason whatsoever to do it but you still go ahead nevertheless and murder, rape and otherwise torture without limit people including children, babies, whatever, without limit, who did nothing to require that punishment being meted out, then it doesn’t really matter if you do it to one or a million or a hundred million. It’s evil per se, in the first place. It’s not something one can “scale” and say: well, that’s understandable in the circumstances but that, simply because it’s more massive, isn’t and therefore must be condemned.

It’s called justice.
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August 31, 2016 9:01pm
- mikenmild
  
  The trouble with that point of view is that you will come up with a few dubious cases of American atrocities while at the same time pretending that the Holocaust never happened.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:10pm
Reid

The trouble with that point of view is that you will come up with a few dubious cases of American atrocities while at the same time pretending that the Holocaust never happened.

Is this the royal “you” or do you mean I do this personally mm?

And if the latter than pray link to my comment where I said “the Holocaust never happened.”

Once you’ve discovered there isn’t any such comment and apologised, I’ll consider whether or not to report you to Sir.
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August 31, 2016 9:13pm
- mikenmild
  
  Would that be the Holocaust about which you pretend to have no opinion because you claim you haven’t ‘studied’ it?
  Report away, you retarded fascist.
  
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  August 31, 2016 9:24pm
Reid

mm’s furiously googling as I type…

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August 31, 2016 9:28pm
Reid

Would that be the Holocaust about which you pretend to have no opinion because you claim you haven’t ‘studied’ it?

Yes mm, it’s the very one. Congratulations, you got it right. Good boy. I’d give you a biscuit but sadly the interweb hasn’t yet advanced to that stage so you’ll just need to take a condescending metaphorical pat on your pwecious widdle head just like mummy used to do.

As previously explained I do in fact know quite a bit about the Holocaust since military history is one of my lifelong study hobbies and WWII holds special interest for me since my namesake was murdered in that conflict. But (evidently) like you, I’ve never studied that particular event very closely so I can’t claim authority on it, notwithstanding I almost certainly know more about what happened than you do.

One regrettably notes you share no such reservations about your own ignorance mm, but that’s over to you, isn’t it.
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August 31, 2016 10:06pm
Left Right and Centre

What – no Back Benches thread ? For shame.
And I watched it so I could make retarded snarky comments – more fool me.
Labour MP Megan Woods – here we go – what’s coming here. Big fat white cow with some kind of slingshot around her neck – elastic band necklace a child might enjoy and a jacket Julian Clary might not wear because it’s too ‘showy’. These people want to rule – it all counts. Every last dumb way they come across. And she was getting her knickers in a twist about houses and the poor getting really upset and emotional. Should’ve had a vote grabbing sob.

Online school courses – who’s against it ? Some big fat pork pie faced bloody pom woman – Dianne Khan – side camera shot especially not flattering as it highlights her life of sitting on her arse with zero posture and stooped hump back reaching for a snack.

Mortgages – first home buyers – what to do ? Let’s ask someone – who is it now ? Another space sucking middle-aged white woman with a lesbian haircut and atrocious speaking voice – another big don’t argue battleaxe matron.

Euthanasia debate – let’s ask . . . Dr Brian Ensor – very serious. Serious issue – sure. The old death stare interview style. Not fat – good. ‘I struggle with the ethics’. What hope have I got then. I like Matt Vickers – came across well I thought. Also not fat.

Did I hear Megan Woods say ‘legistration’ ? Have another sip of your beer mate. I think she was a bit legistrated herself eh ? 11:09pm airtime – check it yourself.

I learnt a lot from Back Benches. Older kiwi women are really fat, badly dressed and sound bloody horrible. Khan was talking about when she relieved a first year class. She’d weigh more than all the kids put together. Not the example I’d want for kids – let’s get them someone without an overeating problem.

Hayley is hot. Just need to replace Wallace. James McOnie ? An Apple app ? Jono and Ben ?
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September 1, 2016 5:35am
Manolo

To be avoided. France is an effing mess:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767350/Next-stop-Britain-Thousands-UK-bound-migrants-two-new-camps-near-Gare-du-Nord-Paris-prompting-fears-trains.html
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September 1, 2016 6:30am
Manolo

The crooked socialist is out!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/31/dilma-rousseff-impeached-president-brazilian-senate-michel-temer

Brazil’s first female president Dilma Rousseff has been thrown out of office by the country’s corruption-tainted senate after a gruelling impeachment trial that ends 13 years of Workers’ party rule.
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