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Andrei

Tom Hunter we could go around and around all night – Th Russian Federation is a democracy with a bicameral system and the head of State is the President elected by popular vote

If you are really interested and not just trolling you can read The Constitution of the Russian Federation

But I’ll say it again the Russian Federation’s implementation of democracy better reflects the will of their people than the USA’s does of theirs
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August 2, 2016 8:39pm
mikenmild

And ask for the dinner menu too, Johnboy.
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August 2, 2016 8:40pm
starboard

Oh Maggy!..mortally wounded…
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August 2, 2016 8:42pm
Andrei

Oh look….It’s a two hundred night! ?

But what of the Bain thread Johnboy?

It hasn’t caught up yet but is on target to do so – though what anybody has new to say on this matter, which has been thrashed for years, is a mystery to me
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August 2, 2016 8:42pm
mikenmild

Andrei
Would you accept the results of international surveys that compare political freedom across different countries?
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August 2, 2016 8:42pm
Nostradamus

Andrei:

The art of a Bain thread is to say what’s already been said but using different words!
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August 2, 2016 8:43pm
Manolo

@Maggy: Not true. Johnboy is unique and the only one always with a plump ewe by his side.
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August 2, 2016 8:44pm
jms

Not true. Johnboy is unique and the only one always with a plump ewe by his side.

By his side? She’s not much use to him over there.
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August 2, 2016 8:48pm
Andrei

mikenmild – the thing about Western chauvinism is that it is impossible for monolingual English speakers to conceive that other people view the world in ways different to themselves

All sorts of surveys are produced by Westerners that tend to show the Western ways are the best of all possible ways – confirmation bias in some cases, something more sinister in others

But I noticed the head of Satchi and Satchi coming unstuck for something he said that strayed from the reservation of absolute political correctness and he has paid the price for his words

And one of the Chiefs players too has been forced into a grovelling public apology, which may not save him, for straying from the reservation and indulging in a little injudicious “homophobia”

So don’t give me that we live in a free society where we cherish the freedom of speech blather because it is patently not true
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August 2, 2016 8:51pm
Reid

the Russian Federation’s implementation of democracy better reflects the will of their people than the USA’s does of theirs

The American people’s failure to recognise and acknowledge the clear and present fact they:
a) have been captured and enthralled by media, Hollywierd and bread and circus distractions and
b) their political systems represent pork barrel, revolving door, lobbyists, corporates, every vested interest but them

has poisoned their republic. They don’t live in a democracy, they live in a republic, and they’ve forgotten what that means, which is precisely what their Founding Fathers warned them not to do.

The Russians OTOH, have lived through many existential battles, not just in WWII of course but in the 90’s and they know they are the future.

The US is in the same place the British Empire was in this time last century. History is repeating, this time with nukes.

It only does that when one forgets it.
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August 2, 2016 8:52pm
Stars And Stripes

Maggy- after your earlier confession about your wedding night and the bridesmaid I think my wife would have serious reservations about me coming to spend a couple of nights but thanks for thinking of me anyway.
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August 2, 2016 8:53pm
Johnboy

It must be fucking hard even for an accomplished chap like Karam to say $925,000 and make it sound like $5,000,000 Nostra? 🙂
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August 2, 2016 8:53pm
Reid

The art of a Bain thread is to say what’s already been said but using different words!

Nosty, my simple Clapham Omnibus view is: he wasn’t guilty in the eyes of the legal standard, even if he did it, yet so found, he spent time, therefore merits compensation, even if he did it.

What’s your take?
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August 2, 2016 8:55pm
mikenmild

Andrei
I don’t think a rugby player apologising for using a homophobic slur constitutes the negation of free speech.
But thanks for confirming that you reject the possibility that an objective analysis of political systems could be helpful.
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August 2, 2016 8:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Not my night is it?
Rejected by the stars (starbored, and stars & stripes)

Still, I am partial to a bit of aged well-hung meat
http://ssaa.org.au/stories/hunting/hunting-fallow-deer-for-venison_7.jpg
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August 2, 2016 8:57pm
SGA

Reid at 8:55 pm

What’s your take?

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr………
(I thought GD might be safe with a whole thread devoted to they-who-shall-not-be-named)
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August 2, 2016 8:57pm
jms

The American people’s failure to recognise and acknowledge the clear and present fact they:
a) have been captured and enthralled by media, Hollywierd and bread and circus distractions

Freedom is messy, and open for all to see. Trump and Clinton can sling mud at each other and neither is killed or thrown in dungeon because of it.

Russian ‘democracy’ is all window dressing, classical music playing out front, torture and killing in sound-proofed rooms out back.
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August 2, 2016 9:00pm
Andrei

Reid take the Bain shit to where it belongs and where the rest of us can ignore it
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August 2, 2016 9:02pm
Andrei

Russian ‘democracy’ is all window dressing, classical music playing out front, torture and killing in sound-proofed rooms out back.

You know this for sure? How?
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August 2, 2016 9:03pm
tom hunter

Russian Presidential elections & winners:
The Russian constitution allows only two consecutive terms for a President

2000 – Vladimir Putin
2004 – Vladimir Putin
2008 – Dmitry Medvedev (United Party)
Medvedev proposed that Putin become Prime Minister. Putin accepts.
Russian Constitution changed to allow for six year Presidential terms.

2012 – Vladimir Putin (United Party)
Medvedev proposed that Putin run for President with the United Party. Putin accepts.
Putin proposed that Medvedev become Prime Minister. Medvedev accepts.

2018 – ???? …. Oh come Andrei. After all this you think he won’t run again for a second consecutive six-year term? At the end of which he will have been President for twenty of the previous twenty four years, with only gap being a four year break where he and Medvedev played footsies.

So, nothing about this strikes you as …. unusual in a democracy Andrei? This is your idea of a robust democracy – unlike that planned, Matrix farce in the USA.
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August 2, 2016 9:10pm
jms

Reid just got lectured by his idol, ouch!
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August 2, 2016 9:11pm
Johnboy

Shit oh dear tom… and Vlad likes Donald!! Still Donalds 70 so 20 years seems unlikely. 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:14pm
Andrei

Tom Hunter, if I had bothered voting last election which I didn’t, three of the candidates on my ballot paper were guaranteed their
~~seat in the house~~ place at the trough regardless of how the voters cast their ballots

So, nothing about this strikes you as …. unusual in a democracy Tom Hunter?
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August 2, 2016 9:15pm
Johnboy

Maggy.

Fallow me follow down to my hollow
and there let us wallow in elderly sex. 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:17pm
jms

three of the candidates on my ballot paper were guaranteed their
seat in the house place at the trough regardless of how the voters cast their ballots

Oh nonsense. I don’t like MMP either, but unless they get enough party votes, list candidates won’t get into Parliament either.
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August 2, 2016 9:19pm
Johnboy

I hope Andy puts Trev at 50th on the list for 2017 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:24pm
mikenmild

Just for Andrei:
http://hotcopper.com.au/threads/14-year-old-russian-girl-banned-from-olympics.2826528/#.V6Bmx_l97IU
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August 2, 2016 9:25pm
stephieboy

Kriss X , John McCain knowingly fraternising with Ukrainian neo nazis is a myth.

A reminder that the same neo Nazism is flourishing , alive and well in Russia ,

Racists, Neo-Nazis, Far Right Flock to Russia for Joint Conference

The “fringe of the fringe” gathered in St. Petersburg on Sunday to rail against Freemasons, LGBT people, and “Zionist puppet filth.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/europes-far-right-comes-to-russia-in-search-of-shared-values?utm_term=.rcE35Bag1#.mtbl5BPmq,

White supremacist gathering underscores Russia’s nationalist trend,

“The protesters, several thousand strong and surrounded by hundreds of armed police, chanted nationalist slogans and racial slurs, occasionally raising their right hands in a Nazi salute.

It was the 10th annual gathering of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right nationalists, held in Moscow in November.

“Nationalism has a bright future in Russia,” said co-organizer Dmitri Demushkin, 36, a former skinhead and ex-leader of the Slavic Union, a banned group whose Russian initials, SS, intentionally mimic those of the Nazi paramilitaries. “We will either win or the Russian people will die…..”

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-neonazi-20150822-story.html
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August 2, 2016 9:25pm
jms

I hope Andy puts Trev at 50th on the list for 2017

All things going well, 5th on the list should be low enough to keep him out.
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August 2, 2016 9:26pm
Reid

WTF is wrong with people that Bain has polarised them so?

I only ask that to get you to notice it.

Because it is a polarising issue isn’t it. But why.

Note that this is not discussing the case but exploring the psychological aspect in the national consciousness. So there.

And it is polarising, in a much milder way, but in the same mechanics as Muldoon was polarising.

And what about it makes it that way and how has that sentitment arisen, are interesting questions.
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August 2, 2016 9:27pm
Johnboy

Wasn’t that 14 yo Russkie girl selected as HOBM hooker for the Hardham final Milkey? 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:27pm
Johnboy

I’ve just noticed…..Minus is dead! 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:29pm
jms

WTF is wrong with people that Bain has polarised them so?

Wrong thread. Your master has already told you where to “take that shit”. There’s one with 175 comments crying out for your wisdom. Check the Kiwiblog homepage.
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August 2, 2016 9:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Fallow me follow down to my hollow

Sounds fabulous Johnboy…. but I’m a bit worried about the depth of permafrost in your Wainui frost- hollow.

I’m sensitive to cold… so I’ll just wait for that Godzilla El Nino to arrive.
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August 2, 2016 9:33pm
jms

Maggy,

Griff told us there’s no permafrost left.

No need to wait, you can go right now.
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August 2, 2016 9:35pm
Johnboy

If you promise to strip right off Maggy I’ll damn the expense and light all my smudge pots! 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:36pm
tom hunter

Andrei (4,548 comments) says:
August 2nd, 2016 at 9:15 pm
Tom Hunter, if I had bothered voting last election which I didn’t,

I would expect nothing less from a Russian patriot. I assume you will be voting there instead? Any chance of moving the kids and grandkids to the Motherland so you can abandon this degenerate farce called NZ democracy?

….three of the candidates on my ballot paper were guaranteed their ~~seat in the house~~ place at the trough regardless of how the voters cast their ballots

Well, not exactly regardless. It’s just a matter of the 5% threshold and one-electorate seat threshold. Both were attempts to make the system more democratic – the flip-side of which was a few plonkers getting seats they individually did not deserve.

So, nothing about this strikes you as …. unusual in a democracy Tom Hunter?

Well if John Key is still Prime Minister in 2032 you may have a point. Until then I’ll maintain my confidence in a 250 year old democracy vs. a twenty year old one – especially one with a history of Great Czar Rule that lasts until they drop dead.
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August 2, 2016 9:39pm
mikenmild

Johnboy’s already converting the old sheep dip into a romantic outdoor spa pool.
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August 2, 2016 9:40pm
Johnboy

TOM….. 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:41pm
Andrei

Russians

and

Americans
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August 2, 2016 9:42pm
Johnboy

Did that for Penny Milkey. She was meant to come down and weld up the heat pump to make it a four season pool…….

I use it as a small ice-skating rink in winter! 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:44pm
Johnboy

I must be divine. One word from me and the dead rise again! 🙂
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August 2, 2016 9:48pm
tom hunter

Yes, yes, Andrei. I know that this is what has really unhinged you in recent years – the whole penis-on-anus scene. Presumably if the Californian or US Federal government passed laws that shut down that whole scene you would count that as a restoration of democracy?
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August 2, 2016 9:48pm
mikenmild

I’m sure he’s just as upset about the girl-on-girl action.
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August 2, 2016 9:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If you promise to strip right off

Damn, I was planning on wearing my Hillary outfit

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/28/06/36A8E02B00000578-3711930-image-a-58_1469683804069.jpg

Reckon we could make some money if I go Melania -style?
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August 2, 2016 9:54pm
jms

Damn, I was planning on wearing my Hillary outfit

That mural’s far too light on wrinkles and cash to be Hillary.
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August 2, 2016 10:04pm
Andrei

There sure are some dumb people in this world
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August 2, 2016 10:14pm
tom hunter

Americans

Americans

Americans

Americans

Apologies for the Chicago focus. They were all my favourite parades. But considering your delicate sensibilities, Andrei, I won’t show you any scenes from the Halstead Street scene where I lived. 🙂
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August 2, 2016 10:18pm
Left Right and Centre

Reid take the Bain shit to where it belongs and where the rest of us can ignore it

I was like . . . I didn’t even see a Reid comment . . . damn . . . he’s really turned into invisible train window scenery scroll blur.
I might need yellow treated efforts to notice existence these days.
Wish I knew everything- mind you – that would really do your head right in, eh ?
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August 3, 2016 1:41am
Manolo

Cheeky bugger:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/02/obama_trump_unfit_woefully_unprepared_for_presidency_has_to_be_a_point_where_you_say_enough.html
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