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waikatogirl

The large German, krimdotcom is back in court today seeking a review against extradition. His fight against extradition began in January 2012.
Bill Hodge says crimdotcom has been “stress testing many aspects of our judicial system, which is standing up quite well.”
Crimdotcom has exposed new interpretations of the extradition law and if he loses this session in court he can appeal to the Court of Appeal and then the Supreme Court. This is going on for years to come.
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August 29, 2016 8:04am
- redqueen
  
  That’s the sad part. My under 5 year olds (born in 2012+) may actually know who he is, beyond their grumpy father complaining about him in years to come.
  
  ‘Dad, you mean that tw*t on the VR newsfeed?’
  
  ‘Yup, he’s been appealing since you were born…’
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:12am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes redqueen, Bill Hodge suggested the Equador Embassy put a guard on the gate to stop crimdotcom from claiming permanent sanctuary.
    
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    August 29, 2016 8:17am
- Chuck Bird
  
  That what I have complaining about. I have had a very simple case trying to recover money from a crooked lawyer. My case started in Jan 2011 and he is still going even though he is bankrupt and lost his appeal to the CoA.
  
  Imagine if our medical system like than. Sorry, we removed your wrong breast. We will reconstruct it a remove the right one with a more competent surgeon.
  
  The system does not work. Why will they not do anything about Peter Ellis? The reason is that the process is more important than justice.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:16am
  - deadrightkev
    
    Nothing is more important than justice
    
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    August 29, 2016 8:50am
  - Kimbo
    
    Hmm. While I ~~don’t agree with~~ have serious misgivings about the verdict in Peter Ellis’ trial – and the verdict in the second David Bain trial for that matter -, nonetheless the process is justice. Which is why, as galling as it is if I thought about the tax payer’s dollars spent and time expended, I’m not phased by KDC’s games, nor Mark Lundy getting a re-trial.
    
    Lots of Monday morning quarterbacks wanting to replay the trials, and media happy to make money off that process.
    
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    August 29, 2016 8:57am
  - Notsofast
    
    Chuck, everyone likes the Peter Ellis case. Why? I agree it is plain he is innocent, follow the money, the lump sum compo paid to conniving parents.
    Always follow the money.
    People also fight for Jeremy Bamber, who it is said thus:
    
    “To your second point, if Bamber had succeeded in getting this woman to lie back and allow him to shoot her twice under the chin with a .22 long gun, he would have no reason to drag her body. He could leave it anywhere, and it would still look convincingly like suicide. So again, we’re talking about evidence that sounds ominous, but makes no sense unless he wanted to leave a trail of bread crumbs that would incriminate him. Which is exactly what he did, according to those who think he committed these murders. Let’s run through the list:
    
    – Use moderator, then remove and put in storage.
    – Drag body after staging suicide.
    – Time phone calls to establish lack of alibi.
    – Drive slowly to crime scene to arouse suspicion.
    – Confide in flaky GF and then dump her.”
    
    The David Bain list is similar, eg shoot family then give dad plenty of time to discover the bodies.
    
    But my interest is Lundy because he is still in jail. The list for M.E. Lundy beggars belief IF ONLY YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
    It was an alleged plan with no chance of success.
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:23am
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast ,
      
      Well, let’s think about it ?
      
      You can always try to blame the family murders on this bizarre spy ring theory ,
      
      http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/d/active_id/2537
      
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      August 29, 2016 9:34am
- Inandout
  
  Our Western justice system is tested to the extreme by the likes of KDC, and the system is fair to the point of being harmful. Scoundrels with the monetary means can prolong justice to the point of ridiculousness. This weakness has been used by purveyors of Islamic hate so they can travel at ease and spread their poison, while some Judge struggles to make a decision. It is worth noting that in times of war the justice system is sidelined because of its long windedness.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:55am
Manolo

What will be Germany’s future?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/28/germany-300000-refugees-2016-bamf

Germany expects up to 300,000 refugees to arrive this year, less than one-third of the total during 2015’s record influx, the federal office for migrants and refugees (BAMF) has said.
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August 29, 2016 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  The latest part of 1300 years of Islamic invasion. How Europe’s “elites” don’t get it is beyond me.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:20am
tom hunter

I thought this was a good comment on the US economy:

In 1992, Bill Clinton announced that “It’s the economy, stupid.” That was pretty much the sole theme of his campaign. He ludicrously claimed that the country was then experiencing “the worst economy since the Great Depression,” a lie that the press, to its everlasting shame, not just allowed but often endorsed. So what was the level of GDP growth that Clinton relentlessly denigrated?

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the quarterly growth numbers for 1992, in chained 2009 dollars, were 4.8%, 4.5%, 3.9% and 4.1%.

That’s right–the growth that Bill Clinton derided as the “worst economy since the Great Depression” was around four times what we are now seeing under Barack Obama.

I well remember 1991 as I landed right in the middle of that recession, looking for a job in the US. But 1992 was just fine, except for the Clinton campaign propaganda about how awful the economy was, which was amplified by the MSM of the day. With no Web there was no way of knowing that the screaming headlines and News at Six, were just bullshit.

Naturally they stopped talking about how bad it was the day after the 1992 election. ‘Twas all bright and sunny from there on – based on those growth figures that’s not surprising.

Of course the GOP had a useless candidate that year who could not seem to hammer home the good news – whereas now it has a candidate too busy insulting people to hammer home the bad economic news. Pity really as I’d love to see Hillary try and defend this.
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August 29, 2016 8:18am
- redqueen
  
  Yes, in the modern world, you can just check what the stats actually are. However, there remains a lot of devil int he detail, and I remain surprised how uninformed and gullible people often remain (in an era when they can just check it).
  
  Granted, politicians make some outlandish claims (that require some specialist knowledge to find an answer to), but the sheer degree of acceptance that remains is truly staggering. Hence, here, you get the neglected children, the killer homes, the poor economy, the people living in cars and tents, and all other sorts of nonsense that are claimed by people who are patently lying, but it’s okay, because they have a narrative to stick to :-p
  
  And the worst bit is, we have real problems that need a fixing, but they get away with peddling rubbish in substitution for actual problems or solutions.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:31am
  - tom hunter
    
    I’ll bet some pig ignorant, economic moron will be along any minute now to tell us about the low unemployment rate – despite being told about the Workforce Particiapation Rate effects only about a billion times.
    
    I wonder which Obama-‘luvin commentator it will be?
    
    SNAP: Bahahahahahahah. I still think Simon is in the lead for the title of Kiwiblog’s dumbest commentator, but he’s keeping quiet for the moment.
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:15am
- stephieboy
  
  All Hilary needs to do is point to the unemployment rate which as at July stood at 4.9% compare UK at 4.7% and NZ 6 .% . She does not have to appeal to her husband’s record nor blame a useless GOP candidate . The voter sure knows when the economic shoe pinches and Nov 7th will give us their final verdict whether the stimulus package has been an abject failure or a success .Or whether to blame the GOP candidate .
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:03am
  - Fletch
    
    That isn’t the real unemployment rate, stephie. When Americans stop looking for work altogether, they aren’t counted in the statistic, so the rate looks better than it is in reality. The U-6 unemployment rate is currently 9.7%.
    
    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp
    
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    August 29, 2016 12:26pm
EAD

Hillary’s speech last week on the rise of the “alt-right” might prove to be a watershed in the fight to save our civilisation from complete and utter ruin from the Globalists.

Her speech which was an attempt to undermine Trump, has moved the Overton Window on public discourse and opened up more of the cuckservative right on the issues facing the West.

Morgoths Review (one of the many up and coming alt-right blogs) here does a great dissection of the big picture and what it all means. Irish Savants recent post was also on this same subject post Clinton’s speech.

The centre Right became ‘cucked’ because they accepted the central egalitarian premise of Neo Marxism, only holding the line on economic issues which the New Left were largely indifferent to anyway. The Right was then in a situation of arguing against the Left while only existing within the Left’s own intellectual paradigm. It was a fight they could never win, a fight which, eventually, left them as the shambolic Quato appendage figure above.

Critical Theory is poison because it forces our people into a false dichotomy which pits their own well-being and instincts against the moral code of the society, for example, a White person might say ”I’m not a racist, but I don’t want to become a minority in my own country!” but that’s not good enough because they’ve accepted the validity of the Left’s morality (Racism is bad) and so, logically, they can’t argue why they object to becoming a minority.

Seen this way Critical Theory/Political Correctness is akin to the gigantic rail canons of the World Wars, with all Europeans being bombarded with guilt, self loathing and moral doubt. However, like the rail canon, Political Correctness is an offensive ideological weapon, its role is to bomb and subdue us, it has done a good enough job of that, but it has a weakness….like all offensive weaponry it can’t take much of a pounding itself………

Hillary Clinton’s speech was not just about using the Alt-Right to beat Trump with, it was a rallying cry because they, the Left, know what’s happening, they know what is returning and they understand what it means. For 50 years they’ve had a free hand with our people and brought us to the edge of oblivion, during that time they’ve built a vast coalition against us and now the cry goes out from a decrepit, hopelessly corrupt and incompetent ‘baby boomer’

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-alt-right-vs-known-universe.html?m=0
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August 29, 2016 8:20am
- deadrightkev
  
  I watched Red Ice Radio dismantle the altright speech, one painful sentence after another.
  
  A more intelligence insulting and character assassinating speech from a person standing for a seriously senior role I have never witnessed.
  
  Everything Clinton said was either infactual or referred to her own actions in reality and it is as if she thinks more lies will deflect attention away from her.
  
  By November the Clinton campaign is going to be reduced to photo shopped images of Trump sleeping with goats or similar pathetic smears because they just cannot get anything on him that is not distorted or manipulated.
  
  Trump will win in a landslide and it is anyone’s guess how far ahead he really is in the polls right now. The debates are going to be shams on steroids. I would like to think that is going to be fun but it is not.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:00am
  - EAD
    
    For anyone wanting to watch the Red Ice demolition, here is the link:
    
    https://youtu.be/P_RebRripcg
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      Red Ice Radio’s Summer of Anti-Semitic White Pride
      
      http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/red-ice-radios-summer-of-anti-semitic-white-pride,
      
      Devoted to Holocaust denial , Hitler was fact a misunderstood genius theory to Jews have stolen Ayran Sperm to create their own Hebrew sub-human out of themselves etc, etc ,
      
      http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/red-ice-radios-summer-of-anti-semitic-white-pride
      
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      August 29, 2016 9:58am
  - tom hunter
    
    So Trump will win – just in time to legalise eleven million illegal immigrants. As he said the other day: there’s a lot of good people there and it would be terrible to break up their families.
    
    I’m sure all Trump voters will support his new message, as Rush Limbaugh points out the other day – once he stopped laughing…
    
    Who knew…(laughter)… that it would be Donald Trump…(laughter)… to come along an convert the GOP base to supporting amnesty …(laughter)… the same week that Anne Coulter’s new book comes out. Poor Anne
    
    Brilliant.
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:12am
tom hunter

On the economic note, I’m sure there’s another “Stimulus” in the wind if Hillary is elected – though the GOP Congress may grow a spine and refuse – because that’s the only answer that the Left seem to have to a lousy economy; just blow more government money and created credit into the system.

So I appreciated this comment:

While considering a new stimulus proposal by the Economic Policy Institute in today’s Washington Post, columnist Robert Samuelson cogently wonders why $5.1 trillion in tax cuts and deficit spending between 2009 and 2012 produced such tepid economic growth. As the Great Recession unfolded, he notes that the Chinese were enthusiastic Keynesians spending vast amounts on infrastructure projects. “But it didn’t solve China’s underlying economic problems, which are now worse for having festered,” he notes.

Japan is another Asian country that has tried numerous times to use government deficit spending to jumpstart economic growth. The latest version of this is Abenomics, named after Prime Minister Shinzo Abe whose government has adopted several large stimulus packages aimed at building infrastructure and encouraging consumer spending. The results have been disappointing; the economy grew at 0.2 percent rate in the second quarter of 2016. Abe is doubling down, and has announced a new stimulus package totaling $274 billion dollars.

In his column, Samuelson asks, “What ails the private sector? Can we do anything about it? Those are the crucial questions.”
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August 29, 2016 8:24am
- EAD
  
  Yes Tom, keep convincing us there is some huge ideological battle going on between “left” and “right” when it comes to Economics amongst other subjects.
  
  The truth is your narrative is bullshit as they’re all beholden to the same false Central Bankster/top down government policy paradigm of government borrowing, slashing interest rates artifically fiat money credit creation from the banking sector as forms of “stimulus”.
  
  None truly believe in what would classically be known as free markets.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD,
    
    “Hillary and the alt-right: The toxic endurance of political extremism ”
    
    Hillary Clinton takes on a right-wing racist fringe that will live on long after Donald Trump is done exploiting it
    
    “If you’ve spent any time criticizing Donald Trump on social media, then you’ve likely had some bracingly unpleasant exposure to members of what’s come to be known as the alt-right, an amorphous online blob of racists, anti-Semites, neo-reactionaries and trolls who are extremely excited for the prospect of President Trump. Even if you haven’t had any first-hand exposure to the alt-right, you’re likely familiar with some of its handiwork: “Ghostbusters” actress Leslie Jones became the target of sustained alt-right harassment and privacy invasions because she is black and she starred in a movie.
    
    The alt-right is having its big breakout moment now that Trump has hired Stephen K. Bannon, the chairman of Breitbart News, to oversee his campaign. Bannon once proudly boasted to reporters that he had transformed Breitbart News into “the platform for the alt-right,” and that boast is backed up by the tenor of Breitbart’s political coverage: anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant and relentlessly pro-Trump. It used to be that Trump simply appealed to the alt-right through the campaign themes he stressed, but now the movement has an acolyte inside his campaign calling the shots. That’s why Hillary Clinton was in Reno this week: to address the fact that her chief opponent’s campaign has been co-opted by a putrid mélange of racist, pseudo-intellectual trash.
    
    The fact that she was even in the position to give this speech is pretty amazing all on its own. “I do think it’s remarkable that Hillary Clinton is going to take on this movement,” Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center told me before the speech. “But I also think that Donald Trump has practically forced it on her. Trump has really, more than any person in memory, pushed the radical right in general, and the alt-right specifically, into the political mainstream…”
    
    http://www.salon.com/2016/08/26/hillary-and-the-alt-right-the-toxic-endurance-of-political-extremism/
    
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    August 29, 2016 8:48am
    - EAD
      
      Stephieboy,
      
      they must be getting desperate if they need to publicly take on the alt-right. Because when most ordinary people get onto those sites it will soon become clear that far from being mad-eyed fanatics the writers are logical and factual.
      
      I think many of us go through a Conservative/Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist phase. I myself moved from the National voting phase until about 2009 then I turned very Libertarian once I clocked that the mainstream “Right” love the same old deadhand of the State as the “Left”
      
      http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/original/3X/6/0/60bdfc5d2afe1fabc5937e8f8a63194e2bdaeda4.png
      
      But after a few years, I couldn’t help but become aware of the racial aspect of society and quickly realise that “limited government” and “muh constitution” aren’t going to work when you have a country made up of lower-IQ, criminal non-Whites which represent a drag on that society.
      
      Have a look at that image I linked to above from Daily Stormer. Despite being from a dodgy website, it lays out clearly what I believe are the real philosophical stages of right wing thought evolution (i.e. not the stuff given to us by the MSM). The 4 stage – Traditionalism – is the only way we’re going to get out of this mess.
      
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      August 29, 2016 9:02am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD , there you go perfectly exemplifying ” alt right ” thinking layering it with your familiar icing of unabashed racism and hatred of Blacks and Jews .
        
        Traditionalism code for resegregation with so-called “separate development ” and removal of civil rights legislation etc, etc ?
        
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        August 29, 2016 9:10am
      - Griff
        
        Why dont you come to terms with being a national socialist (((EAD)))?
        The daily Stormer is a national socialist site .
        You are a national socialist .
        Embrace your inner NAZI and be proud of what you are.
        
        mad-eyed fanatics
        
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        August 29, 2016 9:12am
      - tom hunter
        
        No point, Griff. He outright stated the other day that he was White and a Racist. Sort of like the gays used to say: Out and Proud!
        
        I was stunned to find that out, I tell’s ya! But I’m glad to see that (((EAD))) is pulling others out of the closet.
        
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        August 29, 2016 9:20am
G152

Twyford wants to declare an ’emergency’ over Liebors housing and homeless claims.
Every tradesman is out there working building.
Governments don’t build houses.
Private enterprise does.
And Liebor want them to sell those houses at a loss ?
Not the brightest candles in the pack and its elections next year
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August 29, 2016 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  What would Twyford, a BA in politics, journalist , union organiser and charity director know about the real world ?
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:05am
  - Kimbo
    
    Hmm.That is the CV of someone who knows how to fan an issue and then once the fire is going, pour petrol on it.
    
    As much as Twyford is loathsome, nonetheless he is Labour’s most effective spokesperson at present. Put it this way – if you were a National minister, who would you be worried about as the shadow/Opposition spokesperson marking you?:
    
    Grant Robertson
    Jacinda Ardern
    Phil Twyford
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:09am
calendar girl

Incredibly minor housekeeping problem of the day – when will Fonterra and other milk producers provide plastic bottles with genuinely-secure screw-caps?

A significant proportion of the milk bottles that I purchase – say, about a third – exhibit screw-cap failures after a small number of openings and closings. When the cap reaches its ‘stop’ point, it clicks through that barrier. With further attempts to tighten, it simply repeats its initial failure and clicks around again and again.

It’s not an issue for people who only ever recap the milk bottle and put it back in the fridge. But if you are transporting a bottle of milk in a chilly-bin / bag (as I do on a reasonably frequent basis) it becomes necessary to tape-up the cap to avoid a potential spill.

Fonterra and one other producer whom I’ve approached (on more than one occasion) both express surprise, and suggest that I must have been the victim of a faulty batch. They take the packing code from me, and promise to investigate. No solution to my problem is ever conveyed.

Milk production and marketing are major industries in New Zealand. Can anyone give me any reason for confidence that this minor problem (for us mere retail customers) will ever ultimately be eliminated?
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August 29, 2016 8:30am
- ross411
  
  The screw caps? In the last couple of months, the seal flap on milk bottles I’ve bought hasn’t been sealed onto the bottle properly. In one case, it was completely loose, and in another, it was half loose and a half cup leaked out of the bottle.
  
  Now I have to open the caps and test the seals before buying the milk, which makes me look like I am tampering with it rather than checking to see if someone else has.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:37am
  - srylands
    
    Now I have to open the caps and test the seals before buying the milk, which makes me look like I am tampering with it ”
    
    You are tampering with it.
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:33am
- dave_c_
  
  My issue is (and I’m not some frail oldie) that the many of the sealed caps are often very difficult to remove.
  
  There appears no consistency in their product quality.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  Screw caps are a lot easier than a walk to the barn and squeezing teats for half an hour.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:06am
- srylands
  
  I remember as a kid in Australia the milk got delivered in bottles with a little foil cap on it. Once that was removed there was no putting it back on.
  
  Also if you didn’t get up early enough to collect your milk from the doorstep, frequently a local crow would fly down and pierce the foil cap, and consume the first 3 cm of milk.
  
  So we have come a long way.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:39am
- Flash
  
  I use a water bottle. It’s easy to pull out the pourer thingy, dispense the fluid and then close it again. Doesn’t leak, even in a backpack out horse riding. 🙂
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:24am
- VicParking
  
  If they fix it just for you then add a dollar to the price to cover the improved cap I’m sure we would all love you. Put a bit of tape around it.
  These crap people who dont thing through the issue, its all me me me no matter that they are in a very small minority.
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:37pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  There is no problem. They are fit for purpose. They are not designed for chilly bins or post-opening transportation.
  Get a drink bottle $8 warehouse or wherever. I use a funnel – $3 for a set supermarket. Or op shop.
  You’re right – can’t lie them down in fridge either – susceptible to leaking. Upright only.
  They are how they are – I’d love to see a special ‘chilly bin’ bulletproof milk bottle – $8.60 / 2 litres.
  Keep those posts coming . . I like a bit of talkback style insanity.
  
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  August 30, 2016 4:40am
Happychappy

Does Labour, Andrew Little and Phil Twyford think the NZ Public are that stupid to think that in real terms there are 41,000 thousand people in what the call homeless in NZ.It is right to say we have homeless in NZ as it is also right to see why some of these people can not get homes ,if you invested in property and found that those who you have trusted to live in these houses have caused thousands of dollars of damage through drugs and thrashing or owing rent and then finding that the people responsable have more rights than you when trying to evict them why would you want to be a land lord.Labour is lying in their figures and then they wonder why they have been waiting to be the Government for nine years and is likely to be another nine years if they continue to try and con the NZ public
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August 29, 2016 8:30am
- starboard
  
  Yeah but if they blow on long enough and repeat the same shit day in day out, some of the sheep will start believing them. Its all you hear from liabor..homelessness. They have nothing else to beat on about.
  Fuckin dregs, why dont they all just spontaneously combust.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:07am
- mikenmild
  
  I’m not sure that it is ‘lying’ to use the Statistics NZ definition of homelessness, but if you call something a lie often enough, some folks will believe it.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:10am
  - Happychappy
    
    You or statistics prove there is 41,000 homeless and i will stop saying its a lie.
    
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    August 29, 2016 11:58am
- VicParking
  
  Man who was homeless was interviewed on TV yesterday. Unshaven, face completely covered in tattoos. “Nobody will rent me a house” oh by the way I have no money, job or any edumarcation”
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:42pm
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11698690
“The Government should not have the power to punish you unless it can prove to a pretty high standard that you’ve actually done something illegal,” Mr Edgeler said.

On the other hand it is just as obnoxious for criminals to be able to hold on to ill gotten gains when they have escaped conviction by a narrow margin, but there is no apparent explanation for their wealth. Since the law has now been in operation several years, it would be interesting to know how many ‘dubious’ seizures there has been. I am aware of one court case that declined to uphold a seizure on ‘proof’. There are others but these relate to partnership property or where others have a claim to the property in question.

As for white collar criminals in the fraud and tax areas, IRD has traditionally had very strong powers to recover property/ assets resulting from tax evasion including 100% penalties on tax evaded and has not hesitated to use the powers. It is extremely unlikely that the ‘proceeds of crime’ legislation would yield any more money than IRD could collect. Indeed in USA, the authorities got IRS to go after Al Capone since IRS had more power to deal with proceeds of crime than FBI etc.

As for fraud – there are ample means of recovering amounts ‘taken’ by fraud and ‘equity’ means that resultant interest and capital gains are also recoverable. Even if the fraudster is acquitted because the crime cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the proceeds of fraud have always been recoverable on a ‘balance of probabilities’ basis.

So it is highly disingenious to argue that the ‘proceeds of crime’ legislation is not being applied in an even handed manner. In applying the legislation the priority is the ‘low hanging’ fruit, not equality in blue v white collar crime, race, jender, orientation etc.
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August 29, 2016 8:34am
- ross411
  
  Yes, let’s make it more like the USA where civil forfeiture means that the police can declare your cash suspicious and just take it. This then results in it reaching them as funding, where it may buy among other things cappuccino machines.
  
  Innocent until proven guilty has little basis in reality in the modern united states. Let’s not go down the same road.
  
  First we’re taking money from people who are not found guilty, and then the next thing you know we’re judging men guilty until proven innocent of sexual accusations – something ridiculous Labour and Green politicians have tried to broach before.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:41am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    The precedent is already set in NZ for judging a man guilty until he proves himself innocent with every on-the-spot fine issued.
    
    We are, in fact, just debating whether to extend this concept.
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:18am
    - peterwn
      
      So that means if an offender is found not guilty of assault on a ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ basis, the victim should not be able to sue the offender for damages on a ‘balance of probabilities’ basis. Such lawsuits may be rare, but this has always been the situation. Similarly an employee caught tickling the till can be dismissed even if found not guilty of theft.
      
      An ordinary person in society would find it absolutely repugnant that a group of people can accumulate $40M in highly dubious circumstances and escape consequences. That is why Parliament responded with forfeiture of criminal proceeds legislation and set the non-criminal standard of proof of ‘balance of probabilities’.
      
      Similar to those squarking (confined to tax accountants and tax lawyers) about high profile tax cases involving a purposeful interpretation of tax law – these interpretations clobbered highly artificial tax arrangements which while complying with the ‘black letter’ of tax law were obvious rip-offs and the public were sick and tired of this – as they are with other tax rip-offs that IRD are currently grappling with. Seems the ‘Trinity’ tax rip-off case ran out of steam the other day when Mr Muir effectively threw in the towel during a last ditch Supreme Court appeal last week.
      
      Show me someone who won Lotto Powerball one week and had the cops banging on the door for the $20M or so the next week.
      
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      August 29, 2016 10:57am
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    … agree with this entirely Ross, until we get to the very recent “forfeit” of $40 million in assets without conviction. First step on a slippery slope for NZ justice system?
    
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    August 29, 2016 10:16am
    - peterwn
      
      The owners of the $40M should have little difficulty showing how they made / earned the $40M legitimately, shouldn’t they? They can always hire a forensic accountant to show the money was gained legitimately.
      
      There used to be a problem in England where it was once quite legitimate to buy items off thieves and sell them on the open market. It was a pretty lucrative lark which encouraged thieving because of a readily available no questions asked ‘Cash Converters’. The judges put a brake on this lark in 1691 by ruling that receiving stolen property was a felony (and soon after could earn a one way ticket to Australia). No doubt ‘do gooders’ at the time lamented this sort of common law as the ‘thin end of the wedge’ just as ‘do gooders’ are upset with ‘proceeds of crime’ legislation in many jurisdictions in the 21st century.
      My heart bleeds.
      
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      August 29, 2016 2:52pm
tom hunter

I got the usual UPDATE YOUR IPHONE message from Apple the other day, but I was amazed at the story behind the update:

According to researchers at Citizen Lab, it was discovered when human rights activist Ahmed Mansoor received a text message on his phone promising “new secrets” about detainees tortured in United Arab Emirates jails if he clicked on links included in the message. Mansoor, who has been targeted with spyware attacks twice before, became suspicious and sent the message to Citizen Lab.

The researchers say that if Mansoor had clicked on the links, which led to a series of zero-day exploits, sophisticated spyware would have been installed on his phone.

It’s what would happen next that’s the kicker:

Once infected, Mansoor’s phone would have become a digital spy in his pocket, capable of employing his iPhone’s camera and microphone to snoop on activity in the vicinity of the device, recording his WhatsApp and Viber calls, logging messages sent in mobile chat apps, and tracking his movements.

Citizen Lab contacted Apple, who hit the code and issued the patches. Scary huh?
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August 29, 2016 8:42am
- cha
  
  Scary huh?
  
  A black box in every pocket.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:19am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, I’m not sure I totally buy the story. Maybe Apple issued it to force jailbreakers to update? It all sounded a bit far-fetched.
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:30pm
cas

Has Phil Twyford got any homeless people living with him?
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August 29, 2016 9:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I doubt it, he doesn’t want his house trashed.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:19am
- VicParking
  
  After the next election he could have a number of unemployed people available to live with him
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:45pm
dave_c_

Was watching the TV1 news last night (I know.. why you ask )
Would someone care to explain to me what the background ‘arcs’ of white and blue hues represent.
They move from right to left of the screen – like washing over the screen – some narrow, others broader (bit like barcode definitions)
Are these attempts at subliminal messaging ?
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August 29, 2016 9:12am
Manolo

The crook will do whatever it takes:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/28/huma-abedins-mom-linked-to-shocking-anti-women-book/

As secretary of state, women’s-rights champ Hillary Clinton not only spoke at a Saudi girls school run by her top aide Huma Abedin’s anti-feminist mother, but Clinton invited the elder Abedin to participate in a State Department event for “leading thinkers” on women’s issues.

This happened despite evidence at the time that Saleha M. Abedin had explored the religious merits of sexual submissiveness, child marriage, lashings and stonings for adulterous women, and even the circumcision of girls.
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August 29, 2016 9:14am
Manolo

Our multiculturalist’s wet dream:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2228095fa4b643228529e544f611ea0b/10000th-syrian-reaches-us-week-resettlement-program

The U.S. will reach its target this week of taking in 10,000 Syrian war refugees in a year-old resettlement program, the U.S. ambassador to Jordan said Sunday, after meeting families headed to California and Virginia.
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August 29, 2016 9:16am
Dave Mann

9.20am… just 38 comments.

This new look is going SOOO well isn’t it! 😀
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August 29, 2016 9:20am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Is your glass even more half-empty than normal today Dave?
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:24am
big bruv

So let’s talk about the perilous state of world rugby? The game is in a very bad way when the NZ team is allowed to eye gouge and punch opposing players with impunity. The NZ players involved (Franks and Coles) should have been sent from the field, and, in the case of Franks, banned for a very, very long time.
However, as pointed out by Stephen Jones it appears that the NZ will continue to get away with such acts of thuggery, it seems that those running the game have decided the NZ team is above the law.
The fact that most Kiwis refuse to see it just makes it all the more embarrassing.
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August 29, 2016 9:24am
- mikenmild
  
  I’m very sorry that the All Blacks won again, big bruv. This must be a very tough time for you.
  As you know, Coles did not punch anyone, but was penalised for the arm across the head. Should have been a yellow card, but the referee was right there and it’s his call.
  The ‘eye gouge’ was no such thing, and dismissed by the citing commissioner.
  I don’t recall you getting upset with actual eye gouging in the 2011 RWC final.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:37am
- Keeping Stock
  
  So you’ve seen all the views of the Franks incident the Citing Committee saw big bruv? My first reaction on seeing the video on Twitter on Saturday night was that Franks was going to go for a skate, and if he did rake the eyes of the Australian player, then so he should. But the Citing Committee looked at ALL the available views, from different angles, and decided there was no case to answer.
  
  And who did Coles punch, and when? Yes, he hit a ruck with a swinging arm, which bounced of Kaino’s head into an Australian. Given how tough Kaino is, Coles is lucky not to have broken his forearm! The referee consulted the TMO who watched replays, and deemed a penalty to be the appropriate sanction.
  
  As for saying the “NZ team is above the law”, did it escape your notice that the All Black captain was sin-binned in the dying moments of the Sydney for a cynical professional foul? Rightly so too. Your hatred of anything to do with New Zealand rugby is starting to poison you. I suggest you seek professional help before all that anger spills over.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:37am
  - Colville
    
    Bruv.
    Stephen Jones. Known as the Basil Fawlty of British rugby writing?
    Really?
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:40am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Quite so Colville – next minute big bruv will be quoting that world-renowned rugby authority Chris Rattue.
      
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      August 29, 2016 9:54am
    - big bruv
      
      Yes, an outstanding writer.
      
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      August 29, 2016 11:07am
- WineOh
  
  Coles was a clumsy cleanout attempt, that clocked Kaino on the deck rather than the Wallaby player – otherwise it would have been a yellow.
  
  The amount of play off the ball from the Wallabies was atrocious – off the side of the rucks, late tackles, tackle without the ball. But you don’t see the AB’s whinging about it because we outclassed them on the field regardless, and put the Bledisloe back in the cupboard for another year.
  
  South Africa on the other hand… must be worried after losing in Argentina with what looked like a full-strength lineup.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:21am
- Longknives
  
  The All Blacks have been a “Protected Species” (To borrow a quote from John Smit) for many years Big Bruv!
  Remember Mealamu’s Headbutt? Andrew Hore’s vicious and cowardly King-Hit on the Welsh Lock?
  ‘Nothing to see here’ from Steve Hansen and co..
  
  Now just imagine for a minute that it was an All Black that got eye-gouged on Saturday night-Hansen and the NZ Media would be screaming blue freaking murder!
  
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  August 29, 2016 11:04am
wreck1080

I reckon owen franks did the eye gouge.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/83652933/owen-franks-cleared-of-eyegouge-but-this-video-doesnt-look-good
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August 29, 2016 9:32am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  It is something left over from an earlier time – being able to grab an opposing player who is standing tall in a maul from behind, particularly where the grab included the head. At a certain point in the video on Yahoo it can be seen that Franks desists for a second when apparently noticing the referee to his left in full vision of what was happening. Then either with sharpness of mind or because of a red mist continues the grab but this time with hands noticeably away from the eye area. In intending to defend the poor All Black front rower I was trying to make something of the idea that the aussie lock was playing dirty by forcing his eyes into the delicate pianist’s like fingers of the innocent All Black prop, when the citing commissioner threw out the complaint the dear fellow.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:05am
MT_Tinman

Big Bruv, No longer being a rugby fan I don’t care although I do wonder why you get your knickers into a twist about the sport.

It doesn’t matter (if the sport is as minor as you assert).

Meanwhile, post McCullum, the NZ cricket team continue to struggle against quality opposition.

I suspect that this team will quickly revert to the (sub) standard of the team the last time it was captained by a bloody ND tosser.
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August 29, 2016 9:34am
- mikenmild
  
  Bring back Lee Germon?
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:40am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    No, nuke bloody ND!
    
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    August 29, 2016 9:45am
- Kimbo
  
  A bit tough.
  
  Williamson gambled on winning the toss – just as McCullum did against the same opposition in their country in the first test he captained and that turned sour too – out for 45 in fact!
  
  http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-new-zealand-2012/engine/match/567356.html
  
  I know “if” is an over-used word in sports, but “if” we had used the DRS right the saffers could have/should have been out for less than 300.
  
  Let the skipper show what he can do with the bat when it is “backs-to-the-wall”. On a brighter note good to see Neil Wagner further cement his place in the team. It won’t be long before he will justify being given the new ball at this rate…
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Agree re Wagner Kimbo, but he’s not a new ball bowler. Perhaps when he retires from cricket though, the Vodafone Warriors could hire him as an attitude, guts and heart coach, because those qualities seem to be missing in that team.
    
    As much as I have admired and even defended Manu Vatuvei over the years, Father Time has caught up with him this season. Sadly, he takes up a significant chunk of the Warriors’ salary cap allocation, and I believe the Warriors management need to look at whether that money could be better invested. Perhaps that’s an issue for the new coach to decide 😉
    
    Back to the cricket though, and another poor TMO decision goes against New Zealand. Had Richard Illingworth never heard of the “that could have come off anything” rationale?
    
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    August 29, 2016 10:05am
    - Kimbo
      
      Um, I agree that Wagner is a good “Plan B” option with the short ball…but what seam bowler can’t get movement with the new nut? Sure, with Boult also being a left armer it might be a bit too much, although no one seems to complain about a lack of variation if the two opening bowlers are both right armers (Lindwall/Miller, Trueman-Statham, Lillee-Thomson, etc). Mind you yet more evidence Waqar and Wasim were the greatest pair of new (and old!) ball bowlers…ever!
      
      Um, the umpire? In a sense the Indians have a point about objecting to the DRS – it still doesn’t make things perfect and unpire and technological error is still possible. Is part of the “fun” of sport. Every piece of bad luck has gone against us for the first two days, and we are in a hole. I’m fascinated to see if we can dig our way out…
      
      Oh, yes, and sorry – I don’t waste my time discussing, let alone even following rugby league, much less that pitiful set of perpetual excuse-makers you mentioned. A minor sport played and followed by too many deficient Labour voter losers. Losers in life, losers in sport, and nothing ever changes and the “system/refs/Aussie administrators/National government” is always to blame for all their woes 😉
      
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      August 29, 2016 10:20am
    - Pateke
      
      Sadly I think Vatuvei is locked into contract until end of 2017 even though his heart is no longer in the
      game.
      
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      August 29, 2016 10:21am
    - Kimbo
      
      Still pissed off the All Blacks (deservedly) lost the 1991 RWC to the Wallabies and David Campese in particular, when, courtesy of the rugby league parasites we had no John Gallaher, Matthew Ridge, Frano Botica or John Schuster to counter them with any thrust or line-breaking ability. Worst All Black backline I’ve seen since the bad old days of the late 1970s/early 1980s when our back line was manned by journeymen like Lyn Jaffray, Lachie Cameron, and Andy Jefferd. All blokes who gave their best but they were nothing more than provincial players. And almost as bad as our midfield backs against that 1971 Lions team you saw play at Wellington – Howard Joseph, Mick Duncan and Phil Gard!
      
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      August 29, 2016 10:30am
      - Longknives
        
        Kimbo- From memory that backline was Bachop,Fox,McAhill, Innes, Timu, Kirwan, Crowley?
        I also remember that the much-loved Mark Carter was playing Openside..
        
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        August 29, 2016 11:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        Longknives
        
        Yep. Timu had played well at fullback in the quarter-final against Canada, but he was viewed at the time as a stop gap whom they didn’t want to risk against a top line opponent, rather then the quality fullback he became in 1992-93.
        
        Terry Wright had been switched from the wing to fullback earlier that year to add some ability to make breaks but was injured…hence the call-up for Crowley who had to hot-foot it over from Kaponga during the week.
        
        Fox was injured but played anyway, not that he was known for his ability to step, or make a defence think twice. The real problem was that at that stage no one backed Walter Little, so they picked…Bernie McCahill. Good bloke and an accomplished provincial player, and at test level an ok stop gap and safe pair of hands if there were others in the back line with him who could keep the Wallabies defence second guessing.
        
        But with Fox not able to do that and Crowley lacking the pace and incisiveness of a John Gallaher, and Innes having bulked up and turned himself into not much more than a crash-ball merchant, and without a Michael Jones (it was a Sunday) to pop up somewhere and do the unexpected and freakish, the Wallaby midfield of Horan and Jason Little drifted off them all day long. The touchline never misses a tackle and Kirwan and Timu got shepherded over it all day long.
        
        Also, when they dropped Buck Shelford the year before, they dropped the wrong guy. Instead, by 1991 Gary Whetton was playing about the worst I had ever seen an All Black lock perform. Even Andy Haden was calling it. It got so bad Whetton was outplayed against the USA! Disgraceful he passed Pinetree Meads’ record in that tournament. And as he was a key figure in the “player-power”/plot that got Shelford dropped and then Hart installed as co-coach with Alex Wyllie (like that was ever going to work!), and his captaincy failed to include non-Aucklanders….well, it is no wonder we failed. Beaten by a better team.
        
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        August 29, 2016 12:23pm
Jack5

Interesting article on Finnish schools, perhaps the world’s best, on Stuff.

Kids start school at seven (as in Sweden, also with a fine education system), and after every hour of school work they go outside for quarter of an hour, regardless of weather.

NZ can’t afford it now but it would have been great, though I seem to recall Gerry Brownlee at one time made disparaging remarks about Finnish education.

The Finns are good, stoic people. Their short winter war against Russia early in World War 2 was epic.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/83651875/this-is-why-finland-has-the-best-schools
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August 29, 2016 9:51am
Manolo

Am I alone in saying I like KB’s old look better? 😀
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August 29, 2016 10:00am
- dave_c_
  
  I guess (being a bit of a cynic), this is progress – What better way to infiltrate our minds with more space to present advertisements.
  Am I dreaming, or has there been a noticeable increase in them already ?
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:27am
  - DJP6-25
    
    Advertisements. What are they? I use Google Chrome with an ad blocker. So I see none.
    
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    August 29, 2016 12:04pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Ditto, DJP6-25.
      
      Happiness is seeing an occasional whinge from the site in question (usually on one of the foreign news sites I monitor) saying ‘We notice you are using an AdBlocker. We’re crying here. Please reconsider..’
      
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      August 29, 2016 12:14pm
    - dave_c_
      
      I do too, but work computers don’t allow the loading of such commonsense tools
      
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      August 29, 2016 12:28pm
- Dave Mann
  
  No you’re not alone….. although I really do like the ‘reply’ function which makes the conversation flow more coherent. But the design of the site overall isn’t good IMHO
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:34am
- PhilP
  
  Get over it, it ain’t gunna change!
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:11pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Sadly, you’re probably right.
    
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    August 29, 2016 12:22pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  It has its pluses and minuses. I find it a lot better on my smart phone. If they could just cut line or two between comments it would be much better on my desktop computer.
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:08pm
srylands

I quite like the new format. Except for the WHITE. It is very hard on the eyes. It would be so simple to replace the white with a pale blue or gray. Just my 2 cents.
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August 29, 2016 10:02am
- starboard
  
  I agree. A light pale blue would be just super.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:09am
stigie

Everyone will get used to it Manolo !~
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August 29, 2016 10:02am
mikenmild

It’s horrible. Nothing wrong with the old version. That’s progress, I guess.
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August 29, 2016 10:07am
- cha
  
  I like the nesting of replies although an extended latest comments column with a replied to feature would certainly improve things.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:27am
  - tom hunter
    
    Yes. I’d also like the ability to just roll up a nested set of comments.
    
    Perhaps just putting the comments back-to-front in timing would be enough? Scroll to the bottom to find the oldest?
    
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    August 29, 2016 10:29am
starboard

Our employees trying to do a shifty on us re tax.
You’ve been found out you cads.

Courtesy Taxpayers Union ( go and read the full story )

“The Government has just introduced a last minute addition to a tax bill before Parliament which, if implemented, would give the Government the power to amend tax laws without any consultation or parliamentary scrutiny. The proposed amendment is to the Tax Administration Act, which sets out important taxpayer rights, including secrecy, and the appeals process when the IRD have treated a taxpayer unfairly. The amendment would grant the Minister of Revenue power to make changes to the Act by regulation, avoiding Parliamentary and public scrutiny. Worse, according to advice we have seen, prepared by the IRD, the proposed law would even allow a Minister to change tax law with retrospective effect!”
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August 29, 2016 10:13am
- dave_c_
  
  This smacks very much of the US ‘Executive Orders’ behaviours.
  
  God forbid we are going down that track – Alas, I think our governments are already on that track, and just looking for opportunity to mirror things here.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:24am
- wiseowl
  
  Notice a trend here.
  Trying to take power away from ratepayers through changes to LGA too.
  
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  August 29, 2016 11:15am
holysheet

On the housing crisis, I see it has shifted south from Auckland to Taupo. Who in their right mind would live in Taupo over the winter?
There are many places between Taupo and Auckland the homeless could call home.
Huntly, Taupiri, Ngaruawahia, Tirau, Putaruru, Tokoroa. And these are just on the main road south.

Seems liabores mates in the MSM are bullshitting us again. When will they learn the the average joe public doesn’t give a fuck about the homeless. They are far too busy getting on with life. Did Liabore and MSM never hear about chicken little and the sky falling?
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August 29, 2016 10:13am
- VicParking
  
  Better houses in Taupo to burgle than Huntly, Taupiri, Ngaruawahia, Tirau, Putaruru or Tokoroa.
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:52pm
Happychappy

Has Andrew Little been tutoring the Australian Rugby Coach in negativity as they both have the same traits tell lies and falsify what is actually happening and then blame the opposition for all that is happening.These two men could easily be taken brothers as they are both Losers and do not understand their responsibility
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August 29, 2016 10:17am
- WineOh
  
  Add their Captain Stephen Moore too- the Ref had enough of his constant whining only 20 minutes into the game & shooed him away every time he came up to make another false accusation.
  
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  August 29, 2016 10:23am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep.
    
    Funny how it is always in games against the Wallabies that the scrums seem to get messy. Will be interesting to compare in the next few teams against the Pumas and Springboks – two teams, like England and France for that matter who just want to get on with it and scrum.
    
    The way George Gregan used to yap to refs and talk them out of awarding free kicks and penalties when their scrum was continually collapsing, he was their best front rower! Except Jonathan Kaplan! Mind you Sean Fitzpatrick wasn’t much better
    
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    August 29, 2016 10:34am
  - big bruv
    
    Fancy Moore moaning about the NZ player’s eye gouging and punching his own men!
    
    The way the Ref dismissed Moore whilst hanging off every word mumbled by the gormless grinning fool who now captains the NZ team was shameful.
    
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    August 29, 2016 11:04am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Move to Oz , bb.
      
      You’ll get some support whinging about the AB’s over there. 🙂
      
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      August 29, 2016 11:27am
      - big bruv
        
        Don the Kiwi.
        Oz is a great country, I would not mind living there at all. As for the rugby, 99% of Ockers would not have even known the game was on such is the lack of interest.
        Dont be taken in by the ‘World famous’ crap surrounding the NZ team, the simple fact is that they aint.
        
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        August 29, 2016 12:31pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Fancy Moore moaning about the NZ player’s eye gouging and punching his own men!
      
      The way the Ref dismissed Moore whilst hanging off every word mumbled by the gormless grinning fool who now captains the NZ team was shameful.
      
      Funny, I always thought the Bledisloe Cup was a trophy for rugby, not the Trans-Tasman debating championship! 😉
      
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      August 29, 2016 1:00pm
Happychappy

A great read of a column by Spiro Zavos ‘Cheika has gone to far’ on the roar this morning, http://www.theroar.com.au rugby and honest peice of sports jornalism i have read for quiet a while
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August 29, 2016 10:45am
- Kimbo
  
  Thanks for that link.
  
  Zavos makes a good point about Cheika primarily being a ‘motivator” rather than a coach. When things are going well, or there is a good existing structure in place, those sort of guys shine. But when there are deeper technical, tactical and selection issues to be sorted out – and there is no doubt that applies to the Wallabies at present – then their cupboard quickly runs bare. And it happens really fast, the switch from being a World Cup finalist to a mediocre team.
  
  Anyone remember when John Hart went from an unbeaten season to losing 5 tests in a row the next when the team he inherited (and initially tweaked successfully) from Laurie Mains got old, and needed rejuvenating? The more “motivating” Hart did, the worse it got. And the next year, under pressure, they lost by a record score to the Wallabies, and then out of nowhere coughed up an unprecedented (for the All Blacks) 33 points in a row in that semi-final against France. I’ve seen previous All Black teams out-played and out-classed, but that is the only one I can recall that panicked on the field. We do that to other teams, but never All Blacks!
  
  Also, good point in another of those links about Cheika’s moaning about refs sending the subliminal message to his players, “it’s not your fault”. That is part of what Hansen meant when he said complaining about refs is a waste of time. Indeed, it is cancer that eats away at a team,
  
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  August 29, 2016 11:30am
Hugh Pavletich

Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Rob Stock | Fairfax – Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-keys-waterloo

NEWSHUB’S THE NATION WITH PATRICK GOWER: HOUSING MINISTER SMITH IN SERIOUS TROUBLE

Interview: Nick Smith | TVShows | Newshub
… VIDEO …

http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/thenation/interview-nick-smith-2016082710

Nick Smith is ‘Milllion-dollar Minister’ as average Auckland house passes $1m mark | Rob Stock | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/83627681/Nick-Smith-is-Milllion-dollar-Minister-as-average-Auckland-house-passes-1m-mark

Housing Minister Nick Smith was dubbed “The Million-dollar Minister” this morning as the average Auckland house price looks to already have hit $1 million.

Smith was given his new nickname by Patrick Gower when he appeared on TV3’s The Nation on Saturday defending the government’s record on housing.

Gower said the average house price was $1 million in Auckland, though official confirmation of that is not expected until Thursday when QV releases its latest monthly house price figures. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 29, 2016 11:09am
- G152
  
  Gower giving out nicknames ?
  Old feature face himself ?
  Supposedly reporting the news not trying to create it
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:47pm
  - VicParking
    
    True its not called news unless Gower has invented it himself
    
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    August 29, 2016 12:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND’S BUREAUCRATICALLY BUGGERED RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY PERFORMANCE …

The rate at which new homes are being built relative to our population size is less than half what it was in 1974 | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/83282/rate-which-new-homes-are-being-built-relative-our-population-size-less-half-what-it
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August 29, 2016 11:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hugh, you have a short memory and are comparing apples with bananas.
  In 1974 house-building rocketed because there was pent-up demand from first-home buyers who couldn’t get finance in a controlled market.
  Then the wonderful Labour Govt. fixed it by making low-interest (subsidised) State Advances loans available to anyone, not just low-income families with three kids.
  I know, we got one of those loans for our first house when we were both working and had no kids.
  The only problem was that Labour’s largesse caused house prices to double and we had to pay twice as much for our humble dwelling as it would have been the year before.
  When you get Labour Governments interfering with markets you get unintended consequences. Is this what you want?
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:27pm
  - VicParking
    
    True. An earlier comment that its not the Government who builds houses but private enterprise was right on. Liebour wishes to build thousands of houses, but send home all our temporary workers who are currently building houses. Walk down any street in Takanini and you can count the number of Kiwi builders working on the houeses being build on the fingers of one hand.
    
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    August 29, 2016 12:59pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    @ Captain – when my then wife and I built our first home in 1981, we had a Housing Corp first mortgage of 18%, and a second mortgage from an insurance company at 21%. That went up to 24% soon after.
    
    That sure is a far cry from the 4.29% at which I have just fixed half my current mortgage for two years.
    
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    August 29, 2016 4:38pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      KS, yes I remember the mortgages of the early 80s (thanks Muldoon) but they didn’t stop house prices going up.
      I don’t know how we survived, but we did (probably because inflation was also looking after our salaries).
      My son has just done the exact same thing as you have with his mortgage. Going to do some small improvements to his house and still end up paying less than he was.
      
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      August 29, 2016 5:20pm
Manolo

Perish the thought:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-internet-giveaway-to-the-u-n-1472421165

When the Obama administration announced its plan to give up U.S. protection of the internet, it promised the United Nations would never take control. But because of the administration’s naiveté or arrogance, U.N. control is the likely result if the U.S. gives up internet stewardship as planned at midnight on Sept. 30.
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August 29, 2016 11:57am
Keeping Stock

Great news for Hurricanes fans; Beauden Barrett has re-signed with the NZRU and the Hurricanes until the end of the 2019 season. I guess that’ll put him on big bruv’s shit list now…

All those Blues fans who got their hopes up; sorry, but Beaudy wasn’t ever going anywhere.

http://www.allblacks.com/News/29680/nz-rugby-re-signs-beauden-barrett-in-major-deal
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August 29, 2016 12:37pm
- Kimbo
  
  The Blues will have to start developing some home-grown talent for their no 10. Oh wait, Gareth Anscombe (Ponsonby!) is was available at one stage until John Kirwan among other let him go…
  
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  August 29, 2016 12:41pm
Keeping Stock

Anyone want a job with Andrew Little?

The future of Labour’s top adviser Matt McCarten is in doubt, with many in the party believing he will step down as Andrew Little’s chief of staff.

Newshub understands McCarten’s staff have been told there will be a “special announcement” coming later this week and speculation is now rife within the party that he will be moving on.

If McCarten leaves it will be a major blow to the party with the chief of staff role deemed absolutely critical in the political sphere – it is the leader’s strategist, gatekeeper and enforcer.

It would leave Little without a lieutenant and the party’s Parliamentary staff without a leader with only about twelve months until the election.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/future-of-labours-chief-of-staff-matt-mccarten-in-doubt-2016082913

Oddly, an old saying about rats and sinking ships comes to mind. Maybe McCarten is leaving Cap’n Little to go down with SS Labour.
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August 29, 2016 3:04pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Is Angry Andy distancing himself from the unpaid IRD bill, which might have become Nat ammunition coming up to the election?
  
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  August 29, 2016 3:19pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That’s old news now Captain. I’d suggest that either Little has lost his rag at McCarten once to often, or McCarten has lost his rag at Little once too often. Neither is known for an even temper.
    
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    August 29, 2016 4:04pm
- RalphT
  
  The Herald now says that McCarten is leaving to spearhead Labour’s election campaign in Auckland. I think that will leave him (and them) even more vulnerable when it comes to the actual campaigning. Goody.
  
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  August 29, 2016 4:18pm
- holysheet
  
  It’s simple. The most despicable liabore has chucked his toys out of the shitty play pen and shafted the angry one in the process. Who in their right mind would take this toxic job now?
  
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  August 29, 2016 4:56pm
- Viking2
  
  Matt McCarten set to move from Andrew Little’s chief of staff to Labour’s man in Auckland
  
  Labour leader Andrew Little is to open a new Labour Party office in Auckland and re-deploy his chief of staff Matt McCarten as Labour prepares for battle in 2017.
  
  Little said Labour’s new office in Auckland would open by the end of September and McCarten had offered to head it.
  
  It was part of the planning for election year, including how to target the voter-rich Auckland.
  
  McCarten had volunteered to take on the role and was not being pushed.
  
  “He wanted to do it. His strength is in the networks and setting up programmes and places for me to go to and getting stuff organised. And that is what I need.”
  
  Labour currently does not have a party base in Auckland other than its MPs’ electorate offices.
  
  Little said he would be spending a lot of time in Auckland and needed a base there. It would be formally announced at a Labour function for Auckland businesses, interest groups and movers and shakers on Wednesday.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11701516
  
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  August 29, 2016 5:30pm
Jack5

Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated is trying to get legal actions against Kiwisaver funds that may have invested in firms that make certain types of ammunitions.

Amnesty, once a good justice organisation that tried to help political prisoners, has strayed far from its original goals. It’s another of those international once-were-good organisations that have been hijacked by Leftists.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/312032/amnesty-files-police-complaint-over-kiwisaver-investments
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August 29, 2016 3:05pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Here’s a laugh for you Jack5 – a number of Green Party MP’s are among the Kiwisaver schemes investing in these companies!
  
  http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/08/green-hippycrites/
  
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  August 29, 2016 3:10pm
- Brigitte
  
  Good luck with that one. The relevant law states:
  
  “A person commits an offence who provides or invests funds with the intention that the funds be used, or knowing that they are to be used, in the development or production of cluster munitions.”
  
  Note the bit about “the funds be used”. They are used to pay the previous owner of the shares with none of it going to the company. Perhaps they don’t know how shares and sharemarkets work.
  
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  August 29, 2016 3:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/83661968/the-worlds-oldest-man-indonesian-believed-to-be-145

Why does the gullible MSM keep falling for these stories without asking questions?
The documentation is obviously his father’s.
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August 29, 2016 3:16pm
- Brigitte
  
  Maybe not “obviously” – I thought that grandfather was more likely.
  
  Edit: Note that this was not uncommon in many countries where men have wished to be exempt from military call up
  
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  August 29, 2016 3:20pm
Manolo

Will she dare?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-challenges-hillary-clinton-010625291.html

Donald Trump continued to raise questions about Hillary Clinton’s health on Sunday, challenging the Democratic presidential nominee in a tweet to release “detailed medical records.”
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August 29, 2016 3:52pm
- mikenmild
  
  “After your tax returns, Donald”?
  Maybe the letter from her doctor just wasn’t enough. After all, the evidence from YouTube could hardly be clearer. She stumbles occasionally and sometime sits on a stool instead of standing: clearly she’s at death’s door.
  
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  August 29, 2016 3:56pm
All_on_Red

‘After your tax returns’

To which The Donald replies ‘after you provide a list of Clinton Foundation donors’…
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August 29, 2016 4:08pm
- Griff
  
  Tax returns Clinton foundation
  here
  https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports
  In case you did not Know the Clinton foundation is not Hillary Clinton.
  
  Trump doesn’t for some reason want to release his tax returns despite every other candidate doing so in the last forty years
  Trumpets are totally fine with that.
  But most thinking people have to ask what has Donald got to hide ?
  
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  August 29, 2016 4:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Donors’ Griff. A list of donors.
    All those secret donors.
    People who think even more than those who subscribe to conspiracy theories well understand that the MSM will do to Trump what they did to Romney and that is just pick on minuscule things and use it for political capital.
    Besides I wouldn’t release returns while they were being audited. You might have to make changes. How many times were the Clinton Foundation returns changed? Quite a few times…
    
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    August 29, 2016 5:01pm
    - Griff
      
      Again slowly All on Red as I have noticed you have a great deal of difficulty with the most basic stuff .
      
      The Clinton foundation is not Hillary Clinton.
      The tax returns and audited finical statements are there for you to examine.
      Please feel free to point out all the money and benefits Hillary Clinton receives from the foundation.
      The Clinton foundation is a tax exempt charity and a separate legal entity from the Clinton family . If the USA IRS had any suspicion that it was a way for the Clinton to receive tax free benefits they would stop its charitable status .
      Its accounts are also audited by one of the worlds respected financial accounting firms.
      It makes me laugh when clueless idiots repeat propaganda.
      Trumps personal tax returns are no way comparable to the Clinton foundations donation list.
      
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      August 29, 2016 5:26pm
Fletch

Weiner is at it again –

http://nypost.com/2016/08/28/anthony-weiner-sexted-busty-brunette-while-his-son-was-in-bed-with-him/
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August 29, 2016 4:43pm
- Manolo
  
  The pervert Weiner is not getting enough, is he?
  
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  August 29, 2016 6:45pm
waikatogirl

Apparently Crusher Collins has announced that police will attend every single burglary.

It appears this is as a result of Indian and Chinese business owners arming themselves.
The ‘broken window’ policy of policing is important so criminals don’t think they can burgle, etc without police taking any interest. It does piss me off a little that while homeowners have been calling for police to do their job and at least attend a burglary it hasn’t been taken seriously in the past.
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August 29, 2016 5:14pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So we can probably charge about at 120km/h now without plod getting in the way.
  He can’t be everywhere.
  
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  August 29, 2016 5:23pm
  - holysheet
    
    There will be an increase in cop numbers soon, so no, they will still be after the drivers doing more than 5 ks over the speed limit
    
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    August 29, 2016 5:33pm
    - Viking2
      
      Yep and man of many Bridges was today raving about them completing a road safe project doing fix ups etc.
      What he didn’t say was that on a lot of the roads concerned they have reduced the speed to 90kph.
      
      The very best way to get their attention is to yell guns and they will arrive eventually all kitted out like para troopers.
      
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      August 29, 2016 5:38pm
Viking2

Another joke.

Last Friday as I was traveling to Northland through various small towns I was stopped at three checkpoints.
At the last one I asked the cop if they had nothing to do today pointing out that this the third stop. All he could do was laugh.
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August 29, 2016 5:33pm
- mikenmild
  
  Don’t you just love that ad where they catch the obviously sober driver on her way home with the family after a party?
  
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  August 29, 2016 5:37pm
Viking2

yep, very intelligent advert. Which of course the drinkers ain’t going to watch anyway.
But I guess you have to be seen to be doing something.
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August 29, 2016 5:40pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’d be all in favour of measures to catch the persistent drunk drivers, but that would obviously be tougher than randomly stopping thousands of safe drivers in the hope of catching a few who had more than half a glass of wine.
  
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  August 29, 2016 6:00pm
nasska

I suspect that Harriet was involved with this. 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/83646524/alleged-tampering-of-a-lube-dispenser-at-sydney-gay-sex-club
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August 29, 2016 6:15pm
stigie

Many a sore and burning anus after using that shit Nasska.?
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August 29, 2016 6:31pm
- nasska
  
  Worse than mistaking the Vicks for the Vaseline I would think stigie! 🙂
  
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  August 29, 2016 6:36pm
EAD

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3762617/JFK-assassination-inside-job-Ex-government-agent-claimed-team-killed-president-remarkable-deathbed-confession-director-Oliver-Stone.html

EXCLUSIVE – ‘JFK assassination was an inside job’: Ex-government agent claimed ‘someone from his team’ killed the president in remarkable deathbed confession to director Oliver Stone

Like the overwhelming top rated comment states – we all know Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t kill Kennedy, the only question is who did?

Using Occums Razor and the principle of Cui Bono, most reasonable people come to the conclusion that it was the people who are behind the Federal Reserve who didn’t want Kennedy to destroy their vice like control of the world by removing their ability to issue unlimited fiat and instead replace it with Silver certificates via Executive Order 11110.

What was the first thing LBJ did for his handlers (the International Bankers) upon assuming power? -Revoke this order and thus consign America and the World to their usurious debt money scheme and all it entails.
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August 29, 2016 6:41pm
- Griff
  
  Using Occums Razor …
  
  Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
  
  Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut .
  He defected to Russiain 1959 then changed his mind in 1962.
  Had a history of doing random acts of violence to himself and others
  
  (((EAD ))) proceeds to outline a massive undocumented conspiracy involving the government and the Zionist world bankers .
  
  logic and (((EAD ))) are not on the same page or even the same book.
  
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  August 29, 2016 6:57pm
  - Jack5
    
    Big oversimplication of “Occam’s Razor” or “Ockham’s Razor” there Griff. It’s a scientific tool, and it’s not clear whether it transfers so readily to political-historical-etc type arguments.
    
    Two explanations from Wikipedia:
    
    First:
    
    In the scientific method, Occam’s razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.
    
    Second:
    
    Bertrand Russell offers a particular version of Occam’s razor: “Whenever possible, substitute constructions out of known entities for inferences to unknown entities.”
    
    Let’s steer clear of “ontological parsimony”, but take this additional point from Wikipedia:
    
    The widespread layman’s formulation that “the simplest explanation is usually the correct one” appears to have been derived from Occam’s razor.
    
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    August 29, 2016 11:25pm
Griff

Using Occums Razor …

Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut .
He defected to Russiain 1959 then changed his mind in 1962.
Had a history of doing random acts of violence to himself and others

(((EAD ))) proceeds to outline a massive undocumented conspiracy involving the government and the Zionist world bankers .

logic and (((EAD ))) are not on the same page or even the same book.
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August 29, 2016 6:57pm
- Reid
  
  LHO was sheep-dipped Griff. Everybody knows that.
  
  Interesting fact: you know who’s buried at Arlington? It’s not JFK, it’s Officer Tibbits.
  
  See, Tibbits was a dead-ringer for JFK, and naturally they couldn’t use the real JFK because the back of his head had been blown apart and that didn’t really fit the shot from behind from the 3rd story story.
  
  Isn’t that interesting.
  
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  August 29, 2016 7:15pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Officer Tibbetts? Sounds a bit like my old cat Tiddles. Of course, we murdered Tiddles and buried him in Norman Kirk’s grave to cover up the fact that Kirk was assassinated by the CIA.
    
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    August 29, 2016 7:26pm
    - Reid
      
      He was the cop who was killed on the day mm.
      
      Everyone knows that.
      
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      August 29, 2016 8:31pm
  - EAD
    
    @ Reid,
    
    I find sheeple like Griff quite amusing actually. The less they know about something, the more opinionated they are about it. They loving laughing out loud at you if you accidentally say something a newspaper never said. When a MSM outlet like the Daily Mail says something which contradicts their world view then real cognitive dissonance kicks in.
    
    http://www.endtimesurvivors.com/teachings/spiritual-survival/159-how-to-resist-conditioning-for-the-cashless-society
    
    Most sheeple will of course NOT follow the above link because it contains the word “end” in unacceptably close proximity will the word “time” and is thereby insane. Simple creatures those sheeple – and quite predictable once you’ve observed them in their meadows.
    
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    August 29, 2016 7:35pm
    - itstricky
      
      Most sheeple will of course NOT follow the above link because it contains the word “end” in unacceptably close proximity will the word “time”
      
      Au contraire – at first, I didn’t follow the link because I seriously thought I might get a virus.
      
      Simple creatures those sheeple
      
      Yep, when an article contains:
      
      To many people the colossal elephant in the room which is being missed is the prophecy in Revelation 13:16-18 and Revelation 14:9-11
      
      I switch off at that stage. Simple.
      
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      August 29, 2016 9:29pm
nasska

RIP Tiddles! 🙂
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August 29, 2016 7:29pm
- mikenmild
  
  Strictly speaking, I shouldn’t be telling anyone about that, but this is a safe space, right?
  
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  August 29, 2016 7:33pm
  - nasska
    
    My lips are sealed Mike. ?
    
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    August 29, 2016 7:36pm
sooty

Export Fats Da Crim!
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August 29, 2016 7:34pm
Brigitte

Another “Rogue” Morgan poll:

National 46% (down 7%)
Labour 25.5% (unch)
Greens 14.5% (up 3%)
NZ First 9.5% (up 2.5%)

So Nat 46% vs Lab/Gr 40%.
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August 29, 2016 7:48pm
- stigie
  
  Brigitte, that is probably a true reflection for the Nats and Labour but not the Greens. Gawd, won’t they be tearing their hair out at the Stranded..?
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:28pm
mikenmild

Time for a bet on Kane Williamson to top score? Or maybe Watling in a losing cause?
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August 29, 2016 8:05pm
- Brigitte
  
  If we don’t make the follow on will they enforce it? Interesting start to the day:
  
  “Philander to Williamson, no run, flies into an lbw appeal, but I believe there was an inside edge. Umpire Gould grins like the man who nicked the chocolate without anyone noticing. Apparently DRS at this end is not working. Gould had just informed both captains of that before the over began and then this happens. Faf feigned the “T” sign for DRS, cracking everyone up. This ball was full on off stump, Williamson blocks and gets a solid inside edge”
  
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  August 29, 2016 8:10pm
Viking2

Honesty
Yup, some people can’t handle the truth!

My Favourite Animal
Our teacher asked what my favourite animal was, and I said, “Fried chicken.”
She said I wasn’t funny, but she couldn’t have been right, because everyone else laughed.
My parents told me to always tell the truth. I did. Fried chicken is my favourite animal.

I told my dad what happened, and he said my teacher was probably a member of PETA.

He said they love animals very much.

I do, too. Especially chicken, pork and beef.

Anyway, my teacher sent me to the principal’s office.

I told him what happened, and he laughed, too.. Then he told me not to do it again.

The next day in class my teacher asked me what my favourite live animal was.

I told her it was chicken. She asked me why, so I told her it was because you could make them into fried chicken.

She sent me back to the principal’s office.

He laughed, and told me not to do it again.

I don’t understand. My parents taught me to be honest, but my teacher doesn’t like it when I am.

Today, my teacher asked me to tell her what famous military person I admired most.

I told her, “Colonel Sanders.”

Guess where I am now…
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August 29, 2016 8:11pm
- Brigitte
  
  After watching sales falling off for three straight months at Kentucky Fried Chicken, the Colonel calls up the Pope and asks for a favour.
  
  The Pope says, “What can I do?”
  
  The Colonel says, “I need you to change the daily prayer from, ‘Give us this day our daily bread’ to ‘Give us this day our daily chicken’. If you do it, I’ll donate $10 Million to the Vatican.”
  
  The Pope replies, “I am sorry. That is the Lord’s prayer and I can not change the words.”
  
  So the Colonel hangs up. After another month of dismal sales, the Colonel panics, and calls again. “Listen your Excellency. I really need your help. I’ll give you $50 million if you change the words of the daily prayer from ‘Give us this day our daily bread’ to ‘Give us this day our daily chicken.'”
  
  And the Pope responds, “It is very tempting, Colonel Sanders. The church could do a lot of good with that much money. It would help us support many charities. But, again, I must decline. It is the Lord’s prayer, and I can’t change the words.”
  
  So the Colonel gives up again. After two more months of terrible sales the Colonel gets desperate. “This is my final offer, your Excellency. If you change the words of the daily prayer from, ‘Give us this day our daily bread’ to ‘Give us this day our daily chicken’ I will donate $100 million to the Vatican.”
  
  The Pope replies, “Let me get back to you.”
  
  So the next day, the Pope calls together all of his bishops and he says, “I have some good news and I have some bad news. The good news is that KFC is going to donate $100 million to the Vatican.”
  
  The bishops rejoice at the news. Then one asks about the bad news.
  
  The Pope replies, “The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread account.”
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:00pm
Jack5

Parents of a Mangere teenager want an apology for a policeman’s push are after a gang “siren battle”.

Meanwhile, up to 50 brawl in a Mangere gang fight at a fast food outlet. Weapons included knives, chairs, and pieces of wood.

The PC mob and their MSM mates will be after the policeman’s scalp, but they will say fuck all about the thugs in the big fight.

The glories of multiculturism.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11701611

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11701596
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August 29, 2016 9:06pm
itstricky

The glories of multiculturism.

Because, in the 1950’s there was no such thing as an aggro cop, and there were absolutely no fist fights in the streets or pubs?
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August 29, 2016 9:21pm
- Jack5
  
  Gangs of kids having “siren battles” in the 1950s? No.
  Gangs fighting with knives and chairs in a food outlets in the 1950s? No.
  
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  August 29, 2016 9:29pm
  - itstricky
    
    According to sociologist Jarrod Gilbert, New Zealand has had youth and street gangs since the 1950s.
    
    Looking back on the history of young people in New Zealand, urban “larrikinism” and delinquency were reported with concern as early as 1892. However, it was not until the 1950s, a time of economic prosperity and urbanisation, that a national youth subculture developed, with the emergence of the New Zealand teenager. At that time the delinquent groups of “Bodgies” and “Widgies” created a moral panic concerning their inter-rival fighting, rebellious nature, sexual promiscuity, occasional hooliganism, and “evil” rock music (Yska 1993, Manning 1958). They were described by Auckland psychologist A. Manning (1958) as the “active boils on the body of society”
    
    New Zealand Gangs in the 1950s
    Although they gained a significant presence in the 1950s, groups of
    troublesome youths or ‘gangs’ were not a new phenomenon in New Zealand
    and have existed since at least colonial times. In 1842 and 1843, having been
    transported from Parkhurst Prison in England, 128 male juveniles (Stone,
    2007: p.21) began roaming Auckland streets and were blamed for “a rapid
    spread of moral pestilence” (Cherrett, 1989: p.12). Twenty years later, The
    New Zealand Herald reported that a “number of boys and young men
    congregate together and commit outrages of a nature altogether unfit for
    publication”. These “outrages” included breaking windows, breaking and
    entering, assault, and stripping females naked and dragging them about, and
    these “lawless practices” occurred “at least four nights in the week on
    average” (Howman, 1971: p.21).
    
    More?
    
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    August 29, 2016 10:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      The “bodgies and widgies” were into shagging and motorbikes, typically frequented milkbars, and may have had inter-“gang” dust-ups, but there were no knife fights, and no mob fights on the scale of the battle in Mangere today.
      
      I don’t know about the street gangs of Auckland in the 1860s and 1880s and don’t see their relevance to the chaos today in Mangere.
      
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      August 29, 2016 11:13pm
      - Viking2
        
        Look a bit harder. They were there.
        Many were under the auspices of Unions. Waterfront strike ring a bell? People like Kelly, Middlemass, that nasty piece of shit Walsh and his henchmen that ran the unions in the 50’s and so on.
        In the Hutt in the 60’s we had Samoans versus themselves and anybody else. Mad as snakes with firewater.
        
        Violence was much more industrial. Think of the pomms that came out with their thuggery. Ask Chuck about them.
        
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        August 30, 2016 6:53am
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodgies_and_Widgies
    
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    August 29, 2016 10:43pm
    - cha
      
      I can recall tales of bodgies and what they might do
      
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      August 30, 2016 12:02am
Manolo

More carnage among the savages:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/yemen-bombing-suicide-attack-leaves-at-least-45-dead-at-army-camp-in-aden-a7214781.html
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August 29, 2016 10:13pm
Jack5

Russian Foreign Minister says track has been lost of hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles supplied by the West to rebels in Libya.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/23/sergey-lavrov-no-one-knows-who-got-shoulder-fired-/
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August 29, 2016 10:19pm
Jack5

The photos and the whole French beach burkini run-in with the police were a set-up, a cunning Islamic propaganda exercise, according to an interesting post on Whaleoil today.

Worth a look.
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August 29, 2016 11:08pm
Left Right and Centre

general supermarket nonsense . . .
Hey – lady at pns had four multi colour shopping bags filling all of trolley.
I happened to go to NW looking for loose Agria and brussel sprouts afterwards . . .
There’s the bags I saw at pns – re-usable set of four – get this – **$35**. Get out of here – $35 for that shit. Wankers !! You bloody wankers – hahaha – open-mouthed disbelief and shock.
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August 30, 2016 4:47am
Manolo

The pervert bites the dust:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3763606/Huma-Abedin-smiles-Hamptons-Hillary-Clinton-just-learning-husband-Anthony-Weiner-sexted-woman-semi-nude-pic-bed-sleeping-son.html
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