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dave_c_

I guess this is the start of a waterfall effect.

Just received an email telling me that Skype will be adding NZ GST to call rates.

I’ll be sticking to Computer to computer conversations from here on. Top up occassionally with a small amount.
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August 27, 2016 8:09am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  What moron downticked this? Get a life ffs
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:25am
- Scott Chris
  
  I’ll be sticking to Computer to computer conversations from here on. Top up occassionally with a small amount.
  
  Just fork out a few pennies Scrooge. Nothing’s free in spite of what Uncle Donald says.
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:25am
Chuck Bird

When a woman has money she is often more controlling than a man. I bet in a few years time she will have little left.

Lotto millionaire Jane Park issues new boyfriend a bizarre list of rules

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11701006
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August 27, 2016 8:18am
Huevon

The burkini ban is struck down by France’s Administrative Court…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/83626238/frances-top-court-suspends-illegal-burkini-ban-that-breaches-fundamental-freedoms

Granted, the law was a petty measure but this latest decision shows that French people can’t look to the legal system to protect them from Islamification and the resulting terrorism.
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August 27, 2016 8:20am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The cancer spreads into the Legal System now?
  Europe is doomed, I will never go there
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:27am
  - Scott Chris
    
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    Yeah best fuck off back to South Africa Steve, do us all a favour.
    
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    August 27, 2016 8:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Are you a natural knob or do you practice?
      
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      August 27, 2016 8:31am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      What do you mean ‘back?’ I am 3rd gen NZ. I am probably more NZer than a commie like you
      
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      August 27, 2016 8:39am
      - Scott Chris
        
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        Pfft, natural Kiwis aren’t silly little bitches like you.
        
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        August 27, 2016 8:51am
- Scott Chris
  
  You can kiss a nun once or twice but you can’t get into the habit.
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:27am
  - starboard
    
    acidic little nasty aren’t you? Are all gays like you?
    
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    August 27, 2016 8:50am
- G152
  
  Obviously the French judiciary depend upon very tall thick walls to keep reality at bay.
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  Huevon and other Muslim bashers ,still stuck in moron mode ?
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:53am
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83625330/robbers-armed-with-pistol-attack-christchurch-dairy-owner

About time they started classifying robbing dairies as a serious offence. These natives are violent cretins, they need to locked away on an island.
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August 27, 2016 8:29am
- Dave Mann
  
  I agree with you about armed robbery being a serious offense… but what makes you say they were ‘natives’?
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:25am
  - starboard
    
    Because I have seen their faces on cctv
    
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    August 27, 2016 10:32am
duggledog

I notice the violent offender who is now on the loose in New Zealand’s largest city, most likely complete with his high calibre rifle that he discharged towards (unbelievably) unarmed Whangarei Police – has virtually disappeared from the radio, television and print news.

That’s just great. Is this sort of thing just ‘one of those things’ now?

Those Police ought to have had a hand gun on each of their hips and shot him dead at the scene. They clearly don’t know where he is now, and someone like that, who will fire on Police and take other peoples’ cars at gunpoint is a massive risk.

I have no idea how the guy got through the ‘cordon’ as from Kaiwaka south there’s really only two routes. What the actual f*** is going on in this country?

I want some money back from my taxes.
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August 27, 2016 8:36am
- big bruv
  
  Note also that our media are going to great lenghts to avoid telling us the he is Maori.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:32am
  - lilman
    
    Does it matter?
    I hope no injuries happen to the police.
    
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    August 27, 2016 10:05am
  - starboard
    
    Its a bro..bro, confirmed.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83627226/gunman-still-on-the-run-after-firing-shot-at-police-stealing-police-car-in-northland
    
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    August 27, 2016 2:34pm
- RF
  
  Police HQ will be playing this down as it shows them up again as living in the dark ages. e.g. Mr Plod on his bicycle. Unfortunately modern
  Policing requires a para military approach when dealing with some of our feral animals. We all know who they are.
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:04am
starboard

Gee you’re up early scottchris..or have you just got home from a night of homosexual depravity.
The latter I think.
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August 27, 2016 8:38am
- mikenmild
  
  Still the same obsession, starboard? You’ll be asking Scott for pictures next.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:16am
  - ross411
    
    Do you really feel the need to interject yourself into their courtship?
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:27am
    - mikenmild
      
      It’s a harmless voyeuristic thrill. I just want to see how it ends.
      
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      August 27, 2016 9:33am
dime

Hillary Clinton tells me that putin owns the “alt right”. Just wondering if that includes kiwiblog?

What a fruit loop that woman is.

Maybe it’s the brain bleeds
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August 27, 2016 8:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  The Beast speaks of the “alt right” (definition open, so that she can add anyone else who might criticise her) as though the First Amendment should be stripped away from its constituents. The woman is a nasty piece of work. Perhaps we should take her seriously though, those who cross her or the DNC have a habit of turning up dead.
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Yet another Trumpist in moron mode . Who end up Dead precisely ?
    
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    August 27, 2016 8:58am
    - lilman
      
      Mainly Muslims if Trump gets in I guess.
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:06am
    - Fletch
      
      The official who was set to testify against Hillary and ended up dead in an “accident” where he crushed his own throat doing weights.
      
      http://conservativetribune.com/official-testify-against-hillary/
      
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      August 27, 2016 1:23pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        The body count is growing, the DNC staffer rumoured to be at the center of the DNC email leaks, you know, the ones that proved the Dems were doing a job on Sanders, he turned up dead too. It’s been called a robbery, except his wallet, phone and credit cards were still on him.
        
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        August 27, 2016 2:29pm
- jonar
  
  You joined the conspiracy theory nutters then dime?
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/hillary-clinton-conspiracy-theories-activists-rightwing
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:55am
- Scott Chris
  
  dime
  
  Hillary Clinton tells me that putin owns the “alt right”. Just wondering if that includes kiwiblog?
  
  Most of you yes Dim. Seems his bitch Trump is following the recipe too but just to make sure Putin’s got his main man Steve Bannon running the show:
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:15am
- mikenmild
  
  If you think Kiwiblog is ‘alt-right’, then you are even more of a moron than your comments usually disclose.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:17am
Manolo

Isn’t multiculturalism wonderful?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3760598/Terrifying-new-ISIS-video-shows-British-boy-executing-prisoners-Syria.html

One of the youngsters makes a blood-curdling shriek in Arabic and slaps one of the terrified captives on his shaved head before they raise their guns and kill the five men, thought to be Kurdish fighters who were captured during a battle.

The Sun reported the British boy was identified only as Abu Abdullah al-Britani. He is white, blue-eyed and aged around 12.
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August 27, 2016 8:46am
- Inandout
  
  Islam, being a death cult, can easily turn humans into monsters; even 12 year olds. These drugged and brainwashed kids make the Hitler Youth seem like Boy Scouts, and has anyone else noticed how Muslim invasion of the West has seen an accompanying rise in violence generally?
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:00am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, using your brains something of a trial ?. Kurds are fighting ISIS .and rather successfully They happen to be Muslim and all you can do is find ways to is to besmirch them through ISIS depravity .
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Manolo is decrying the murder of Kurdish men at the hands of a 12 year-old British boy.
    He is not besmirching the Kurds.
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:51am
    - lofty
      
      Maggie, It hurts my brain to see you having to explain the obvious to Stephieboy.
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:09am
  - lilman
    
    Stephie what would you know about brains,after all that time figuring out the koran and what it means the fact that you need to wipe your butt with something else than your hand.
    Go Figure?
    
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    August 27, 2016 10:08am
- Scott Chris
  
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  Manolo
  
  Isn’t multiculturalism wonderful?
  
  What’s your culture again Manolo? Aren’t you Chilean? You a Pinochet refugee? Might pay for the SIS to take a look imo.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott Chris , sought of close but in fact due North of Australia .
    
    Nevertheless good point .
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:25am
  - Jack5
    
    Scott Chris:
    
    What are you saying? That only people of a certain race or races are allowed to comment on multiculturalism?
    
    Multiculturalism is an ideology of neo-Marxist origin that wants an end to mono-cultures, which include those of countries such as the Koreas, Japan, China, and Iceland to name a few of the many.
    
    It’s a sly and vicious ideology which tries to silence by trying to load guilt on to those who question it.
    
    Multiculturalism is not the same as tolerance, it is not the same as acceptance, and it’s definitely not the same as integration and assimilation. Multiculturalism is just another Leftist ideology, and one the Western world is beginning to reject.
    
    And leave Manolo alone. It’s notable that those who pick on Manolo because of his race and culture are invariably Leftists or Islamicist-sympathisers. The sort who are always quick to shout “racism!”.
    
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    August 27, 2016 2:04pm
- mara
  
  He probably had maths lessons like this. ” Little Omar has a kalashnikov with 3 magazines. There are 25 bullets in each magazine. He uses two-thirds of the bullets and kills 60 infidels. How many infidels does he kill with each bullet?” The poison starts young.
  
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  August 27, 2016 12:03pm
Keeping Stock

Rugby Quote of the Week from big bruv’s mate, RH McCaw:

“I hope that it is a bit closer, because you don’t want to see big one-sided results for the top teams,” McCaw told the Guardian. “I don’t think that’s healthy for Southern Hemisphere rugby, or for world rugby.

“But I can say that now I’m no longer playing. As a player that’s the last thing you want to hear, bloody idiots like me spouting on like that.”

McCaw led the All Blacks to last year’s World Cup, the first time a country had defended the title and first time New Zealand had won away from home, and was one of a number of high profile players who retired from international rugby at the end of the tournament.

It didn’t seem to affect the All Blacks, who beat Wales 3-0 in June and who are now overwhelming favourites to win this year’s Rugby Championship. They have lost only three games since Steve Hansen took over in 2012.

“Every opportunity they got, they nailed,” McCaw said. “That’s the great thing about the ABs. It doesn’t matter who you are, the team just moves on. They were never going to miss me and DC.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11700715
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August 27, 2016 9:11am
- Manolo
  
  These cutting words could have been uttered by Longknives or Big Bruv, long-time supporters of the ABs.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:18am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Dead right Manolo.
    
    McCaw’s dead right though. Whilst Sam Cane is nowhere near McCaw’s level yet, who would have foreseen Beauden Barrett’s remarkable rise this year from bench player to the most influential #10 in world rugby? Any worries about filling Dan Carter’s boots are long gone.
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:30am
- big bruv
  
  World class arrogance from the most over rated NZ rugby player of all time.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:30am
  - mikenmild
    
    Not a patch on Kirky, Mourie or Jock Hobbs, eh?
    What were those selectors thinking when they picked him 148 times?
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:32am
    - big bruv
      
      Not a patch on Mourie thats for sure and miles behind the greatest rugby player of all time Michael Jones.
      
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      August 27, 2016 9:34am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Michael Jones was magnificent in 1987 and 1988 bruv. But as good as he was, he was never the same player after the crippling knee injury against the Argies in 1989.
        
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        August 27, 2016 9:36am
      - Kimbo
        
        You are comparing apples with oranges with grapefruit.
        
        Michael Jones was almost entirely “instinctive” as a player, with his ability based on his incredible natural talents, honed also in basketball and his formative years at school as a midfield back. So he was three player in one – a traditional open side flanker with the instincts of a Waka Nathan, with the ball handling and incisive skills of a centre, and also the lineout-ball winning capacity of a tall lock. That try David Kirk scored in the 1987 RWC final started with Jones winning the line out, and then about three phases later with him making the break and the final pass that gave Kirk the vital half a metre.
        
        Mourie was a different player – almost entirely cerebral. By hard work and thinking (and great captaincy) he learned how to run the best lines and link and provide progression on attack, and coordinate his team, especially loosies into zonal rather than just simple man-on-man defense. Lifted the open side flankers game from the more “harum scarum/psych with a crow bar in a glass factory” approach of contemporaries like Kevin Eveleigh. An impressive achievement in the amateur era and only John Graham had ever played with similar intelligence, but he was in far stronger teams than Mourie. Yet Mourie’s 1978 grand slam team kept on winning when it shouldn’t have, and his 1980 team to Wales touched genius.
        
        McCaw was a combination of the two. Great athletic ability – not as good as Jones – but hard work and brain power/capacity to learn took him to consistent levels of greatness. I always thought the Iceman would be the greatest no. 7 we ever had, but after that game McCaw played in Brisbane in 2006, I was prepared to entertain the possibility that I would maybe need to revise once McCaw hung up his boots and you could assess his career in retrospect. In the succeeding ten seasons, including his ability to overcome the RWC loss in 2007 McCaw cemented that assessment and IMHO he is the greatest AB of all time.
        
        If you had McCaw at 6, Mourie at 7, and Jones at 8 (jumping for back-of-the-lineout ball) you would give me everything I wanted in a loose forward trio, and I wouldn’t need the likes of Tremain or Kirky. IMHO…
        
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        August 27, 2016 11:39am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Nah wrong again BB – Richie would never have put a sky fairy ahead of the team.
        
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        August 27, 2016 12:17pm
    - Scott Chris
      
      Think Bruvs more of a fan of the Reuben Thornes or the Taine Randells or the Andy Daltons, not those showy, talented types.
      
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      August 27, 2016 9:36am
    - Longknives
      
      To be fair Mikenmild- All Blacks these days play about three times as many Tests as they did in the days of Meads and Kirkpatrick…
      
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      August 27, 2016 12:10pm
      - Longknives
        
        And Kimbo surely you’d want a genuine No 8 at the back of your ‘Dream Team’ Scrum? Like Lochore, Mexted, Shelford or Brooke?
        
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        August 27, 2016 12:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Longknives
        
        And Kimbo surely you’d want a genuine No 8 at the back of your ‘Dream Team’ Scrum? Like Lochore, Mexted, Shelford or Brooke?
        
        Nope, and you’ve actually highlighted the incredible versatility of the Iceman. Michael Jones turned himself into a work horse in the last few years of his career, so that showed he could do a lot of the “cleaning-up” that a traditional no. 8 and/or 6 does.
        
        Jones would get around the field corner-flagging and covering just as well as Lochore or Mexted did (Mex at the time was the best 2nd fullback in the country after Allan Hewson!),
        
        …if required Jones would win just as much specialist back-of-the-lineout jumpers as Lochore and Mexted,
        
        Due to his athleticism and if required Jones would be able to punch over the advantage line close-in just as well as Shelford did, and better then Mexted (was too often a case of ‘persistence beats resistance’ and ‘try, try and try again until you succeed’ with Mex!),
        
        and if the game got unstructured and you needed your number 8 to become a rover in the 1905 All Blacks/Dave Gallaher mold, then Jones had ball skills and the eye for the opportunity that were just as good as Zinzan. Admittedly Michael Jones would not be able to drop goals, but then I don’t pick my No. 8s with that KPI in mind 😉
        
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        August 27, 2016 12:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Longknives
        
        To be fair Mikenmild- All Blacks these days play about three times as many Tests as they did in the days of Meads and Kirkpatrick…
        
        True, but in terms of total games for the All Blacks, McCaw’s 148 over is roughly equivalent to Colin Meads’ 133 over the same total of 15 seasons.
        
        People decry the fact that many games against so-called 2nd tier nations (e.g, Canada, USA. Portugal) devalue test matches. But that overlooks that Australia before the late 1970s were that sort of game. Plus provincial games in Wales and South Africa against the likes of Cardiff, Newport and Llanelli or in South Africa against Northern Transvaal and Western Province were as hard as a test match in any other country.
        
        During Meads’ career from 1957-71 the All Blacks, in one of their greatest eras, still lost non-test games to Canterbury, Orange Free State, South African Combined Services, New South Wales and Newport, and they drew with Natal. Oh, yes, and Meads captained King Country-Wanganui to a win over the 1966 British Lions. Plus the last international touring team he ever played against for King Country, the 1972 “Woeful Wallabies” lost to the likes of….West Coast-Buller
        
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        August 27, 2016 1:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        ..and in the amateur era the following managed over 100 games for the All Blacks (the last mentioned three played in just the first few years of pro rugby):
        
        Ian Kirkpatrick (1967-77)
        Bryan Williams (1970-78)
        Bruce Robertson (1972-81)
        Andy Haden (1972-85)
        Gary Whetton (1981-91)
        Sean Fitzpatrick (1986-97)
        Zinzan Brooke (1987-97)
        Ian Jones (1989-99)
        
        …and during that general era the All Blacks managed to famously lose non-test matches to the likes of Llanelli, Munster, the English Northern Division and Queensland as well as a number of other English, South African and French teams. Plus Colin Meads captained a 1973 NZ Presidents team to a win over the All Blacks, and somehow the All Blacks also conspired that year to lose to…the NZ Juniors!
        
        Oh, yes, and there was the small matter of a loss to the 1973 ~~Lions~~ Barbarians.
        
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        August 27, 2016 1:27pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    More predictable venom from the most bitter and twisted NZ rugby commenter of all time.
    
    But it’s far from world class bruv. Enjoy the game tonight, because I know I will
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:34am
    - big bruv
      
      Is there a game on?
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:27am
      - Kimbo
        
        Cricket test – Proteas vs Black Caps. Opportunity to beat them in a series for the first time ever
        
        Pity for us they were in isolation when RJ Hadlee was in his prime, although JR Reid’s team of 1961-62 did exceedingly well to draw the series 2-2 over there. For the rest, our comparative record against the Saffers is abysmal, even worse than that against Pakistan.
        
        But they are an aging side with a few key players out with injury. If our openers can just hang around and blunt their new ball attack, then our middle order is good enough to score the runs we need and our seam attack is good. Time for Southee to step up as his form lately has been patchy.
        
        Oh, yes, and the Wallabies are still an international side and they will lift themselves from their pile-of-poos performance last week (worst I’ve seen from them since they emerged from the “Woeful Wallabies” era and became a world class opponent in the late 1970s). All Blacks to win by only 5 to 10 points…
        
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        August 27, 2016 11:16am
      - RF
        
        I’m painting a shed tonight BB. you are invited to sit with me and watch the paint dry.
        
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        August 27, 2016 12:39pm
stephieboy

The origins of Hillary’s health hoax claims ,

“Most of the recent flurry stems directly from InfoWars, a conspiracy-fueled political site run by shock jock Alex Jones that funds itself partly through the sale of supplies necessary for doomsday prepping such as bulk vitamins and a year’s worth of long-life food.

InfoWars has been pushing the “Clinton is sick” theory hard in the last few weeks – with stories including “EXPERTS: HILLARY IS A SOCIOPATH AND COULD HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE” and “HILLARY HEALTH COVER-UP IMPLODES”.

But the first recent coverage to get attention came from a little-known YouTube user, DaPhoneyRapperz, who uploaded a video supposedly showing the Democratic nominee convulsing and having seizures – mainly the same few bits of video of Clinton laughing or making faces looped to a creepy soundtrack – on 21 July and has more than 2.2m views.

DaPhoneyRapperz didn’t respond to the Guardian’s attempt to contact them. The video went viral on Reddit, Twitter and Facebook, and then InfoWars writer Paul Joseph Watson published a video on 4 August claiming “The Truth About Hillary’s Bizarre Behavior”, which now has more than 3.3m views.

The Daily Beast notes that one of the few named experts in the Hillary health stories is PharmaBro Martin Shkreli, infamous for hiking the price of an anti-HIV drug by 5,556%, but not actually a medical professional (Shkreli is certain Clinton suffers from Parkinson’s disease).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/hillary-clinton-conspiracy-theories-activists-rightwing
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August 27, 2016 9:21am
- Inandout
  
  Does Hillary drink a glass of formaldehyde upon wakening? Is old Bill still alive? I can see future work here for Weta Workshops, just so long as Hillary doesn’t give ‘live’ interviews; SFX isn’t perfect yet.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , the facts obviously gives you the runs ?
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:46am
    - Jack5
      
      For several months, the Stephie troll team at times has broken out the diarrhoea metaphor.
      
      The Mount Wellington Stephiestani community doesn’t yet seem to understand that Western sewerage systems and public hygiene mean diarrhoea and associated diseases aren’t a problem in countries such as New Zealand – unless you live in Hawkes Bay, of course.
      
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      August 27, 2016 2:35pm
  - marcw
    
    Yes I&O, she is proof there is life after embalming.
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:55am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes Steph. Good link. I’ve seen these InfoWars videos of Clinton and they are so obviously looped that it’s frankly laughable.
  
  That’s not to say that I would support her (if I was an American voter)… but neither would I vote for Trump. They are both as bad as each other in different ways and these two turkeys demonstrate that the USA is going down in a death spiral. Really sad – and frightening too when you consider the nuclear weapons on one hand and the massive Saudi corruption and influence on the other.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:47am
  - emmess
    
    So what if it is looped. Look at the reporters reaction. I don’t profess to know what is wrong with her but she is obviously not a well woman.
    
    I see Dr Drew Pinsky’s Show on CNN has been cancelled.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/26/dr-drew-show-canceled-days-after-his-negative-speculation-about-hillary-clintons-health/
    
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    August 27, 2016 1:09pm
- lilman
  
  Just like Trump was the start of the birther movement?
  We all know Hillary started that in her run against Obama.
  
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  August 27, 2016 10:10am
Disaster Area

So let’s see if I understand this: people here dislike Islam because it subjugates women by telling them what they have to wear, but people support a Mayor in France who is telling women what they can’t wear?
Isn’t the whole point of living in a western democracy that people have religious freedom and can choose what they want to wear?
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August 27, 2016 9:23am
- big bruv
  
  The whole point about living in a Western democracy is defend OUR way of life. If stone age muslims want to come and live among us then they must adhere to our customs and our way of life.
  
  Or….they can fuck off back to the hell hole they came from. It’s simple really.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:28am
  - mikenmild
    
    And wearing skimpy clothing on the beach is an essential component of that.
    What next, women-only gyms?
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:30am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Remember the court case that ensued when a woman was told she was not to advertise her faith by wearing a crucifix?
    https://www.rt.com/news/cross-british-court-win-031/
    
    But of course it’s different when the Christians do it…
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:44am
  - Zed
    
    An interesting point you raise. So what about second or third generation muslims who grow up to oppose their parents’ or grandparents’ choice of accepting western culture? where do they get “sent off”?
    
    worst yet; what about native Europeans converting to islam and adopting its doctrines? they certainty did not “come” from far away land!
    
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    August 27, 2016 10:30am
    - Disaster Area
      
      How about we don’t make knee jerk decisions based upon a person’s religion and allow the secular legal system to deal with any instances in which individuals break the law?
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:59am
- ross411
  
  Is there no freedom from other people’s religion and the fact it gives the followers rights to opt out of our society?
  
  If there is a no hats rule that their religion gives them a special pass to ignore? If there is a face covering rule (helmet in banks for the rest of us) that their religion gives them a special pass to ignore?
  
  At some point society has a right to dictate that your religion does not give you a right to opt out that others do not get (for likely good reasons). To see oppressive garb on beaches has an effect on the rest of us – it’s a different scenario than just telling people what to wear.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Valid point .The mayor was on TV news last night and is obviously a Muslim basher and possibly a Le Pen supporter .
  Of course nothing about banning nuns habits , priests frocks etc etc or anybody else who just happens to look and dress differently !
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:43am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thats a very clever argument about nuns in habits Steph…. but it’s nevertheless faulty because Christianity is NOT trying to subjugate, bomb and terrorise Europe, whereas Islam IS.
    
    Burkinis Hijabs, Burkas, skullcaps, flowing robes etc are a SYMBOL of an alien and enemy culture which is directly opposed to European civilisation and they are shoving it into Europe’s face. That’s the difference.
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Dave Mann, the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims ? You’re obviously deluded !
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:02am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims.
        
        Obviously not each and every one of them – just as every single Soviet citizen wasn’t singlehandedly trying to overthrow capitalism – but the fact is inescapable that Islam is in head-on violent conflict with Western democratic secularism.
        
        Unfortunately Islam is winning at the moment because western civilisation just simply doesn’t know how to deal with it. Yet…
        
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        August 27, 2016 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      Dave Mann , nor is Islam .,
      
      “Burkinis Hijabs, Burkas, skullcaps, flowing robes etc are a SYMBOL ” of what people choose to wear that may reflect their culture and religion .
      BTW Jews wear skull caps and not forgetting Orthodox Jews Kaftans and strange woolly hats !
      Whether Muslim , Jew or whoever they break no law here or elsewhere
      
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      August 27, 2016 11:28am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Dave,
        Might I suggest that Islam is as likely to be ‘defeated’ by banning the Burkini or ha jibs as the massed hordes of Soviet Russia were by stopping people wearing big furry hats and drinking vodka.
        
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        August 27, 2016 12:03pm
  - lilman
    
    Or banning Muslims who post crap 24/7?
    
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    August 27, 2016 10:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X, don’t be such a womble …
    When did you see a nun swimming in her habit?
    
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    August 27, 2016 2:30pm
- Huevon
  
  France is at war, in case you hadn’t noticed. The burkini ban was petty, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Many Muslims are engaged in terrorism, or sympathise with the actions of terrorists. This was in Nice too, so the ban was a sign of respect to the families of those recently killed.
  
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  August 27, 2016 10:01am
  - mikenmild
    
    How will forcing women to remove there clothes while at the beach reduce terrorism?
    
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    August 27, 2016 10:08am
    - Dave Mann
      
      It won’t reduce terrorism. It will help to stand up against Islamisation…. that’s the point.
      
      Terrorism isn’t the ‘enemy’ per se. It’s one of the tools the enemy uses to spearhead it’s invasion… just like halal, sharia and all the rest of it.
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    When did France declare war against it’s Muslim population .
    
    Yes some Muslims commit acts of terrorism but not all of them and yes only a tiny fanatical minority of them sympathise with them .
    
    The ban is not respecting those who died at Nice . It is likely as in the case of the Paris attacks that Muslims would have died at Nice .
    
    ISIS don’t care who they kill whether Muslim , Christian or secular etc !
    
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    August 27, 2016 11:35am
  - DJP6-25
    
    They weren’t killed, they were murdered in cold blood. You’re right about France being at war.
    
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    August 27, 2016 3:05pm
- Inandout
  
  There comes a crossroads in dealing with Islam where the traditional culture is threatened with extinction as Muslim demands become more in your face. The French culture has been assaulted on many fronts by this alien culture which simply won’t assimilate.
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , garbage . As I pointed out ISIS ( the real source of the problem ) don;’t care who they kill .They just want to drive a wedge between Muslim and Non-Muslim into two hostile and warring communities .
    
    Thank you Islamaphobics for helping ISIS with their cause .
    
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    August 27, 2016 11:40am
big bruv

Over the past month or so I have started to notice more and more Ford Mustangs on the road. Every time I see one I think to myself there is something not quite right about the car, this morning I finally worked out what it is. The Mustang is the new bogan badge, it’s a car driven by Westies or those with Mullets, it’s a car driven by those who drink (or did drink) Lion red and those who are staunch followers of the Warriors Bulrush team. Overall, it’s a car for dickheads.
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August 27, 2016 9:26am
- ross411
  
  Sounds like science to me. Why don’t you publish a paper and I’m sure it’ll be accepted by all others in your academic area (presumably that of anecdotal bogan classification).
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:34am
- starboard
  
  AND its right hand drive Bruv, real American muscle cars are LHD. Fags car the new Mustang..sort of thing scottchris would attempt to drive.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:42am
  - big bruv
    
    Nothing ruins the look of a car more than having the steering wheel on the wrong (left) side of the car.
    Right, is right.
    
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    August 27, 2016 9:46am
    - starboard
      
      S’pose thats true Bruv if you are driving a Morris Minor or a Vauxhall Viva..but when you are talking about yanky muscle cars…left is the only way buddy.
      Left to right conversions is against Gods law.
      
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      August 27, 2016 10:40am
- Awww C-mon
  
  “Overall, it’s a car for dickheads”
  
  Agreed, only question is which colour you ordered?
  
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  August 27, 2016 4:55pm
- Sideoiler
  
  Bruv; you don’t like rugby, dont like mustangs, don’t like guns, have a go at this.
  http://www.wi.org.nz/
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:39pm
nasska

…..”Overall, it’s a car for dickheads.”….

Agree! 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z5q02xwx9i4czmb/Wankstain%201.jpg?dl=0
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August 27, 2016 9:36am
stephieboy

The mind and heart of a Trumpist ,

“Twitter Permanently Suspends Conservative Writer Milo Yiannopoulos”

The move comes less than a day after the notorious internet troll led a tweeted harassment campaign against Ghostbusters actor Leslie Jones.

“People should be able to express diverse opinions and beliefs on Twitter,” a company spokesperson said in a statement provided to BuzzFeed News. “But no one deserves to be subjected to targeted abuse online, and our rules prohibit inciting or engaging in the targeted abuse or harassment of others.”

Yiannopoulos, who currently serves as Breitbart’s tech editor, has been hailed as a voice of the new “alt-right” movement. As such, he has made a living as a provocateur, continually inflaming tensions between progressive branches of the internet focused on identity politics and the fervently anti-PC segment that constantly trolls it. For years, Yiannopoulous has used Twitter not only to voice his controversial opinions, but to direct his legion of followers (388,042 at the time of this writing) toward his opponents. As a result, he’s been temporarily banned from Twitter a number of times for violating its terms of service and stripped of his verified status.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/twitter-just-permanently-suspended-conservative-writer-milo?utm_term=.aveKjPoAO#.teP6L85wD
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August 27, 2016 10:02am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Dr Mike Joy ‘blows the whistle’ and exposes the ‘clean, green, 100% pure New Zealand’ myth and mantra – FIVE years ago?

Remember this?

http://pundit.co.nz/content/mike-joy-answers-the-pm-with-hard-facts

Mike Joy answers the PM, with hard facts
by Claire Browning

Fresh water ecologist Dr Mike Joy responds to the Prime Minister’s ‘hardtalk’, debunking his bland assertions, and calling his advice “rubbish science”, that would fail a first-year student.

________________________

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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August 27, 2016 10:08am
- nasska
  
  How’s your fresh water going Penny? You know, that stuff you receive at a litre a minute but don’t pay for. 🙂
  
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  August 27, 2016 10:23am
- Scott Chris
  
  Welcome back Penny!
  
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  August 27, 2016 10:34am
- Huevon
  
  Pay your rates!
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:01am
  - RF
    
    Penny… Do you stand by all your Statements
    
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    August 27, 2016 12:47pm
    - starboard
      
      Penny…do you understand all your statements…
      
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      August 27, 2016 1:46pm
Happychappy

Fail is part of your DNA Penny,so you should look at all the things that you could do to stop being the serial failure that you are, before being a hypocrite in condeming others.John Key is and will be our most popular Prime Minister something that you will never know or achieve and maybe you could enlighten us to how many times you have stood to be Mayor of Auckland and failed
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August 27, 2016 10:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Well said Happychappy but I hope you’re not expecting a response from the useless rates-dodger.
  
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  August 27, 2016 10:34am
tom hunter

This quote seems appropriate …

You know what Bernie Sanders is? He’s a bum. He was damn near 40 years old before he ever found his way into a full-time job, and that was in elected office; before that, he collected benefits, sold his creepy rape fantasies for left-wing newspapers at $50 a pop, and never lifted a finger toward any genuinely productive enterprise.

He’s been suckling greedily at the public teat since way back when he could remember where his car keys are. Funny thing, though: Now he’s a bum with a third home on the waterfront of a Vermont island worth the better part of a million dollars. Every good apparatchik eventually gets his dacha.
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August 27, 2016 10:55am
Hajji

Dear Mr Farrar

Whilst there are many features of your recent upgrade which are great, one feature sadly has failed dismally: The ability to directly respond to a comment is being abused and has turned the comments section into a nasty maelstrom of infantile personal attack.

Hajji
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August 27, 2016 10:59am
- Scott Chris
  
  Well fuck off somewhere else then Hajji you barely sentient couch ornament. 🙂
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:20am
  - Hajji
    
    Was that comment necessary or relevant, Scott Chris?
    
    Did it contribute in a positive way to the discussion of national or international affairs of interest to Kiwis?
    
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    August 27, 2016 11:49am
    - Kimbo
      
      Don’t listen to him Hajji. SC has had a bee in his bonnet for a while. For me, along with Sir Cullen’s Sidekick and Stars and Stripes you are the one of the best satire personas on the site….
      
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      August 27, 2016 11:53am
      - paul scott
        
        agree with Kimbo
        
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        August 27, 2016 12:00pm
  - starboard
    
    Are your hormone tablets playing havoc again scottchris..you really are spewing acid today.
    
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    August 27, 2016 12:29pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I guess you don’t need to practice, you really are a genuine knob
    
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    August 27, 2016 12:58pm
- paul scott
  
  That is a shame Hajji. I go directly to the source to advance the idea in a much more depth. I see Scott Chris below, he is below. Farrar should just remove people who are emotionally violent directly to others.
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:59am
  - ross411
    
    Why remove them? Just tag them as abusive and have their comments hidden behind a link you have to click to see them – much like all of Penny Bright’s comments end up. But show their own comments to themselves, so they never know why only some people choose to read and respond.
    
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    August 28, 2016 9:22am
Happychappy

So the bug found in the All Blacks team meeting room at their Australian Hotel was meant for them after all. The Australian Police have released a statement saying the bug was only three days old when found and was just about flat and that meant it could not be a target for anyone else apart from the ABs. Maybe their are betting syndicates out there that are prepared to go to these lengths to make more money out of rugby
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August 27, 2016 11:07am
tom hunter

The Obamacare collapse continues:

In nine of 11 states with competitive Senate races, at least one insurer seeks to hike rates for Obamacare customers by at least 30 percent next year: Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield in Pennsylvania wants to jack up average premiums by more than 40 percent. In Wisconsin, three insurers have asked for rate hikes of more than 30 percent. In New Hampshire, two of the five carriers want to sell plans with rate increase above 30 percent.

They don’t mention Illinois specifically, even though premium increases there for Obamacare plans are ranging from 45-55%.

Most of these premiums will be subsidised by the government – meaning the taxpayer. Money will go straight from their pockets into those of the insurers. Since the taxpayer was going to pony up anyway the smart thing would have been to do it via the already existing government healthcare program for the poor, Medicaid. A trillion dollars would have been saved to obtain the same result.

Even with these massive increases in premiums, insurers are still dropping out, often leaving only one in place. At that point you may as well just have the government take over in that market anyway – which I think was the plan all along.
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August 27, 2016 11:19am
- mikenmild
  
  If only Trump came up with a plan to fix this, his campaign could be saved.
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:26am
- Scott Chris
  
  At that point you may as well just have the government take over in that market anyway – which I think was the plan all along.
  
  Muahahahahahah
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:27am
- stephieboy
  
  tom hunter , outline your plans for US healthcare that would deliver affordable health care for all including of course covering catastrophic injury and illness .
  
  Could our or Canada’s health care provision be relevant ?
  
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  August 27, 2016 11:47am
- Disaster Area
  
  This wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the insurance companies don’t like Obamacare and they are trying to do everything they can to ruin it?
  Forgive me for immediately thinking this is more about their profits than offering quality healthcare to those who can least afford it.
  
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  August 28, 2016 9:39am
  - tom hunter
    
    Actually DA they’ve been part and parcel of Obamacare from day one. It promised to force customers to buy their products at the point of a government IRS agent and they made that deal with the devil, as well as getting loss subsidies built in.
    
    So yeah, you could say they’re assholes – short-sighted assholes as I’ve often pointed out: selling the rope with which they will be hanged, as Lenin said.
    
    But profits? That was the argument made by Leftists as they set up all those little , government-backed insurers. The profits were so vast that they’d be able to make a buck and keep the big boys honest. It turns out that making a profit in that business is tougher than it looks: most of them have gone broke, for exactly the same reasons insurers are backing away.
    
    But your comment is one that is actually voiced by right-wingers and if and when GD cranks up today I’ll post an article there that addresses your point, as well as possibly answering a question on this that I put to Griff a week ago.
    
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    August 28, 2016 10:06am
Inandout

Obama can’t hide his inbuilt racism.
http://www.caintv.com/obama-scolds-louisana-rescuers

The reply is golden.
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August 27, 2016 11:44am
wiseowl

An excellent item in the ODT today about the fight for democracy.
The most disgusting legislative changes I have ever seen proposed for local government in New Zealand.
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August 27, 2016 11:45am
- Jack5
  
  Is National Party HQ losing touch with the regions?
  
  The Invercargill electorate might follow Northland in abandoning National, if the feelings about this in the far south are any guide.
  
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  August 27, 2016 2:39pm
Longknives

You couldn’t make this up! Fairfax Reporter gushes about Islam-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/83568869/from-hijabs-to-hajj-know-the-basics-of-islam

“Westerners could learn a lot from the Humble Hijab”

Funny how Stuff reporters weren’t quite so complimentary about the Gloriavale Community demanding it’s Women dress like something from the Dark Ages..
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August 27, 2016 12:06pm
- Jack5
  
  You’re on target, Longknives.
  
  Fairfax hackettes don’t seem to be interested in looking at Islamic treatment of females such as: genital mutilation of Muslim girls, forced marriage of girl children, the exclusion of girls from education in extremist Muslim countries, stoning to death of female adulterers, polygamy, and separate divorce rules for men and women.
  
  The reporter, Rachel Thomas appears to have accepted without question the Muslims’ statement:
  
  … wearing hijabs and burkinis is a choice, not a sign of oppression
  
  Yes, in Kilbirnie, but what about in Teheran, Kabul, or Mosul?
  
  The reporter goes on to write:
  
  The word Islam comes from the word salam, which literally translates to peace, Mohamed Sultan Eusoff explains.
  
  This young female reporter should not be allowed out without a minder.
  
  Shame on Fairfax, and shame on the reporter, Rachel Thomas.
  
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  August 27, 2016 2:23pm
  - Zed
    
    http://www.alifta.net/fata
    wa/fatawaDetails.aspx?languagename=en&View=Page&PageID=6425&PageNo=1&BookID=7
    
    women not commiting to islamic dress code is only a choice in the sense that a muslim chooses to abide by sharia or not, similar to catholics engaged in pre marital sex; they make the choice of not following the doctrines of their religion
    
    choosing not to commit to laws dectating islamic code of dress or islamic banking etc.. does not render them any less true
    
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    August 27, 2016 2:57pm
stephieboy

Longknives , if I’m not mistaken Glorivale asks a dress code only of its members and not police dress code enforcers like you for all of us !
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August 27, 2016 12:28pm
jonar

Trump’s election chances over?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/26/donald-trump-policies-immigration-flip-flop-ross-now

Trump may have previously given the impression that he thought all these undocumented immigrants were little more than a gang of murderers and rapists. But now, after some reflection, he concedes there may be some decent families mixed in with the gangs of thugs. Under Trump’s new plan, there would be no citizenship for these people, but there would be legal status after the payment of some back taxes.

This plan is otherwise known as the Obama proposal for comprehensive immigration reform.

“I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me,” he explained on Fox News. “And they’ve said, Mr Trump, I love you, but to take a person that’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out. It’s so tough, Mr Trump. I mean, I have it all the time! It’s a very, very hard thing,”

Then he turned to his crowd and asked, “Who wants those people thrown out?”

“I do!” responded one man.

This is a natural response from the people who have fueled the rise of Donald Trump, and their dismay at Trump’s total betrayal is only just emerging.

Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the nativist Center for Immigration Studies, told the Wall Street Journal the Trump campaign was over. “Whatever remaining chance he had to win the White House is gone,” said Krikorian. “The fact now that he has betrayed his base on the signature issue that he ran on seems to me the death knell of his candidacy as a practical matter.”
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August 27, 2016 12:31pm
- tom hunter
  
  I noted this a couple of days ago, and others have also.
  
  Yet from the Trumpists it’s been…… silence.
  
  Haven’t even had Simon with his usual, massively powerful argument that “Trump will piss in”.
  
  Fucking morons.
  
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  August 27, 2016 12:50pm
  - Kimbo
    
    It sometimes takes time for those who drink the demagogue’s Kool Aid to rationalise before responding, especially if the gulf between the previous rhetoric and the new edict is…vast.
    
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    August 27, 2016 1:02pm
    - tom hunter
      
      I really hope DPF has a seperate thread on this – because there are some savagely funny attacks coming from the US right-wing on Trump about this, like this one on Twitter from former Cruz staffer, Rick Tyler, where he photoshops Ann Coulter’s book:
      https://twitter.com/rickwtyler/status/768920071263621120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
      
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      August 27, 2016 1:46pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Trump and Hillary should be man and wife they have so much in common with each other.
  
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  August 27, 2016 4:57pm
starboard

Didnt realise you were such a doom and gloomer Hugh P. I don’t see those with property complaining…at all.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-keys-waterloo
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August 27, 2016 12:40pm
Chuck Bird

I am pleased to see the judicial review has told Corrections to have another look at them obstructing Gerald Hope for having a meeting with Scott Watson. What is wrong with Corrections? If a victim wants something within reason he of she should have it.

Mind you I think the chance of him confessing is about as likely as David Bain.
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August 27, 2016 12:57pm
Manolo

The deck of cards is marked:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016_CLINTON_FOUNDATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-26-19-32-28

Seven months after a federal judge ordered the State Department to begin releasing monthly batches of the detailed daily schedules showing meetings by Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state, the government told The Associated Press it won’t finish the job before Election Day.
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August 27, 2016 1:11pm
Reid

This is very powerful:

http://vladtepesblog.com/2016/08/26/a-day-at-the-office-for-a-german-immigration-officer/
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August 27, 2016 1:13pm
Reid

The main architect of Washington’s plan to rule the world has abandoned the scheme and called for the forging of ties with Russia and China. While Zbigniew Brzezinski’s article in The American Interest titled “Towards a Global Realignment” has largely been ignored by the media, it shows that powerful members of the policymaking establishment no longer believe that Washington will prevail in its quest to extent US hegemony across the Middle East and Asia. Brzezinski, who was the main proponent of this idea and who drew up the blueprint for imperial expansion in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, has done an about-face and called for a dramatic revising of the strategy…

Well hoo fucken rah. After causing millions of deaths, wasting trillions of dollars and destroying trillions in infrastructure in the targetted victim countries, the main architect finally admits his grand design has a bit of a flaw.

http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-broken-chessboard-brzezinski-gives-up-on-empire/
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August 27, 2016 1:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,
  “After causing millions of deaths…. ” ?
  
  Where exactly ?
  
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  August 27, 2016 3:22pm
Fletch

I wonder if those who support the wearing of the burkini would be OK with KKK-style white sheets being worn on the beach? It is personal choice isn’t it? And it covers most of the skin like the burkini does.
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August 27, 2016 1:39pm
Fletch

PBS interviews Jill Stein of the green party in the U.S, and cuts out all criticism by Stein of Clinton, the TPP, and ObamaCare. The edited version is the one that has been uploaded to youtube and the PBS site. Luckily, some blogger spotted it, and has added back in the edited portions. The fix really is in with the mainstream media and Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqdl_CGCGk
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August 27, 2016 1:56pm
VicParking

Just read an article by a Fairfax Reporter who wore a hijab for the day. “Gratitude and forgiveness are the key reasons Muslims pray five times a day”
“Wearing a hijab is a choice not a sign of oppression”.
“The concept of Islam is LARGELY peace and tranquility upon humanity”
“There is no place for violence in Islam” except if your outside of Islam and then your dead meat.
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August 27, 2016 3:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Of course, there is no place for violence by the followers of the Prince of Peace ?
  
  http://www.history.com/topics/bosnian-genocide
  
  Fletch , much depends on the intent and I doubt if the wearer of Kan garb is a part of his or her customary and usual form of dress !
  
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  August 27, 2016 3:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Did that reporter clock out before praying and clock in after? If not the employer is paying her to pray. If the job is a state sector job then as a net Taxpayer, I am paying. Why??
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:35pm
Rachael Membery

What will ‘climate change’ mean for the Middle East, will they get more rain, become more fertile?
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August 27, 2016 3:16pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  More rain,let’s hope so as a lot of people up there need a damn good wash.
  More fertile,let’s hope not as those buggers are breeding like flies already.
  
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  August 27, 2016 3:52pm
- Doctor Who
  
  Become hotter and drier. Already happening.
  
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  August 27, 2016 6:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Climate change is the least of Middle East-North Africa (MENA) problems.
  The region has had the greatest increase in human population of an area in the world.
  30 M for centuries
  100 M in 1950
  600 M in 2014.
  
  Add to this, the complete mismanagement of the major water catchments in the Middle East, lousy land reforms and corrupt governments and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
  
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  August 27, 2016 8:46pm
stephieboy

The Clinton murder conspiracy

“ Conspiracy central : The Clinton boy count hogwash .”

” Another favorite of Clinton conspiracists is the “Clinton body count”, a claim that a number of mysterious deaths over the years are somehow tied to the Clintons. The recent death of Democratic National Convention staffer Seth Rich, who was shot while walking in his suburban Washington DC neighborhood just days before the DNC started, helped reignite the murder conspiracies story.

WikiLeaks’ Assange brought up Rich – who died just before WikiLeaks released thousands of leaked DNC emails – while talking to Dutch TV about the need for whistleblower protection, saying “our sources take risks”. WikiLeaks is offering a $20,000 reward for anyone with information about his murder.

The most famous Clinton body count conspiracy is about Vince Foster, Bill Clinton’s deputy White House counsel, who killed himself in the first year of the Clinton administration. He was a close friend of the Clintons, and it’s been argued since the 1990s by conspiracy extremists – such as a series of reports by the Arkansas Project funded by late conservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife – that either: 1) he was killed because he knew too much about the Clintons’ scandals; or 2) Hillary publicly humiliated him and caused him to kill himself.

The Foster case reappeared this week after Ronald Kessler, a former Washington Post reporter who penned a 2009 book based on secret service agents revealing the private lives of presidents and their families, wrote in the Daily Mail that FBI files linking Clinton to Foster’s suicide are “missing”. Kessler says the documents have disappeared from the National Archive – although it’s not clear the documents ever existed.

InfoWars collects a list of the Clinton body count, with dozens of names – from lawyers to criminals – of people who have died and are in some way connected to the Clintons. This week Paul Joseph Watson, of sick Hillary fame, claimed that Google is not autofilling in its search “Clinton body count”, although other search engines do. A writer at Media Post noted this could simply be due to Google algorithms, known to be different from other search engines, and not necessarily censorship – since the story comes up if you type out the whole words. That falls into a wider theory that Google is suppressing negative stories about the Clintons – another favorite complaint of Assange’s.

Fox News mentioned Google’s lack of autofill on Wednesday , citing InfoWars as its source….”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/hillary-clinton-conspiracy-theories-activists-rightwing
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August 27, 2016 3:31pm
publicwatchdog

The underpinning legislation that covers drinking water in NZ is the Health Act 1956.

Section 69 A to 69 ZZ …

The question that nobody else seems to be asking, is where is the ‘Water Safety Management Plan’ that was supposed to have been produced by the Hastings District Council and assessed by the Hawkes Bay DHB?

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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August 27, 2016 4:59pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Do you reckon your angle grinder can fix it Penny?
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:06pm
  - sooty
    
    You got one of these for your water, have you?
    Do you need it for your garden hose delivery system? After all we do not want you back feeding auckland water, do we!
    
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    August 27, 2016 7:09pm
cha

At the rate he’s going Trump’s next campaign chief could well be a skinhead with a swastika neck tattoo.

Steve Bannon's ex-wife in divorce filings: "he didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews.”https://t.co/L5aOaudbMr— Leigh Ann Caldwell (@LACaldwellDC) August 27, 2016
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August 27, 2016 5:05pm
- BananaLlama
  
  I notice the headline says Domestic Violence Charge. Is there anything you wont swallow hook line and sinker Cha?
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:18pm
- mikenmild
  
  Trump is the gift that keeps giving. Is there any way he could be kept in politics after the presidential election?
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:18pm
  - cha
    
    Is there any way he could be kept in politics after the presidential election?
    
    Nah, his old man had Alzheimers so he’ll most likely succumb, too.
    
    btw, is the GOP throwing in the towel?
    
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-presidency-gop-plan-227427
    
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    August 27, 2016 5:25pm
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      The likelihood of Clinton having to content with a hostile congress perhaps explains why she seems to be going to some lengths not to connect Trump with the wider GOP in her attacks.
      
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      August 27, 2016 5:33pm
- mikenmild
  
  Mr Bannon seems to be committing voter fraud too:
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

Hey angry Andy and other stupid socialist wankers:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3p802e5zqxdnih3/minimum%20wage.jpg?dl=0
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August 27, 2016 5:08pm
publicwatchdog

https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/drinking-water-standards-2008-jun14.pdf

“….Since the publication of Drinking-water Standards for New Zealand 2000 the approach to managing drinking-water quality has changed.

The focus has moved from quality control to a broader approach of quality assurance.

This has been necessary due to changes in technology, an improvement in our scientific knowledge and the requirement to address a broader range of issues than previously covered.

The Health (Drinking Water) Amendment Act 2007 amended the Health Act 1956 to require all drinking-water suppliers providing water to more than 500 people to develop and start to implement a Public Health Risk Management Plan to guide the safe management of their supply before 2013.

A Public Health Risk Management Plan is a tool to help suppliers identify, manage and minimise events that could cause water quality to deteriorate. …”

So – where’s the ‘Water Safety Management Plan’ that was supposed to have been produced by the Hastings District Council and assessed by the Hawkes Bay DHB?

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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August 27, 2016 5:24pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ibFq1aup8
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:33pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I can just see the tantrum now 🙂
    
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    August 27, 2016 5:39pm
  - mara
    
    Aka, saturate and sod off.
    
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    August 28, 2016 7:10am
- VicParking
  
  Pay your Rates
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:33pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Pay your RATES you bludging try hard Mayoral candidate loser.
  Attendee: Glenfield trolley derby 1986.
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  August 27, 2016 5:48pm
- nasska
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/how-to-pay-for-your-drinking-water-2016-jun14.pdf would probably be a better read Penny! 🙂
  
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  August 27, 2016 6:02pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  Could you give us an update on how your mayoral campaign is going? Are you receiving positive feedback from ratepayers when you’re on the hustings?
  
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  August 27, 2016 6:23pm
  - nasska
    
    I understand that the victory champagne is in the fridge Nostra. 🙂
    
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    August 27, 2016 6:30pm
stigie

Did you have a Water Safety Management Plan when you took to Water Cares toby with an angle grinder Penny..?
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August 27, 2016 6:04pm
Hugh Pavletich

HOUSING CAMPAIGNER PREDICTS SPIRALLING HOUSE PRICES WILL BE KEY’S ‘WATERLOO’ … ROB STOCK … FAIRFAX NZ

Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Rob Stock | Fairfax – Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-keys-waterloo

Affordable housing campaigner Hugh Pavletich has predicted house prices will be so high on the eve of the next election they will be “Key’s WATERLOO”.

By the next election, Pavletich said the median house price (for Auckland) would be more than 12 times the median household income.

The current figure was just over ten, and when Housing Minister Nick Smith was appointed the median multiple in Auckland was 6.7. … read more via hyperlink above …

The St Thomas of Canterbury College Christchurch, young students explain …

Call to restore hope for homeless through inquiry … Fairfax – Stuff NZ
… VIDEO …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83544781/call-to-restore-hope-for-homeless-through-inquiry

… extract …

… St Thomas of Canterbury College students Alex and William McCorkindale asked the panel: “As youth, what do we have to look forward to?”

“Today we don’t offer solutions you’ve not already heard before about the housing problem,” 11-year-old Alex said.

He and William were part of a group of students who had dedicated their lunch breaks to examining Christchurch’s housing issue.

William, 14, said many youths lived in unsuitable housing situations and affordable housing was scarce.

“Canterbury homes are, on average, six times the average household income. We have concerns about our own ability to purchase a home once we leave education and begin work.” … view & read more via hyperlink above …

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Business | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/business/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable-2016080408
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August 27, 2016 6:20pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Give it a rest Hugh, we get the message that you don’t like John Key.
  But plenty of us do.
  
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  August 27, 2016 9:34pm
- Jack5
  
  The bursting of the Auckland property bubble will cause more harm than the present price surge.
  
  Now would be a good time to lay the foundation for a new political party.
  
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  August 27, 2016 10:14pm
Nostradamus

Is Auckland Council Blackmailing Mayoral Candidate Penny Bright?

In response to a few posters at a busy Auckland Intersection advertising a protest to stop council corruption, Complaints led to A Letter From Malcolm Heinrich: ‘Senior Bylaw Inspector, Licensing and Compliance Services – Central, Auckland Council
“…
Dear Madam
Displaying signs on a public place without permission of the Auckland Council, breach of Auckland Council Bylaws…”

Laws basically prohibiting anyone from putting up any kind of message on any council property without the council’s permission and threatened a fine of up to $20,000 if she ever did it again.

Penny has written an “‘Open Letter’ / URGENT Privacy Act request” to Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town – click here to read it. The letter could be described as an incoherent rant – there’s nothing of legal substance in it.

But of course, when Mr Town tells her to f*** off, Penny’s next line of attack will be to say he’s targeting her because she’s sued him for defamation. Watch this space.
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August 27, 2016 6:34pm
- mikenmild
  
  So it’s ‘blackmail’ now to tell someone they can’t deface places with their election poster?
  
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  August 27, 2016 6:56pm
  - sooty
    
    Drag her off in the paddy wagon. Just film it as she prone to blubber abit!
    
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    August 27, 2016 7:16pm
Manolo

The bludger’s tally will be a low four-digit figure.
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August 27, 2016 6:55pm
starboard

That Renee Wright weather chick would have to be the best lookin girl on TV….
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August 27, 2016 7:00pm
- starboard
  
  aww ok, Barbara Dreaver wins then..
  
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  August 27, 2016 7:15pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Starboard:
    
    Scott Chris wants to put in a nomination for Sam Wallace 🙂
    
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    August 27, 2016 7:17pm
    - starboard
      
      Lol..scotty seems to be on the rag..he was very angry this morn, hormones Im guessing.
      
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      August 27, 2016 7:21pm
- Longknives
  
  Pippa might have something to say about that!..
  
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  August 27, 2016 7:51pm
  - starboard
    
    aww yeah..forgot about Pippi..
    
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    August 27, 2016 8:35pm
Stars And Stripes

I see all the Russian Olympic medal winners were given a BMW SUV.
Apparently the prize for medal winners from the refugee team was residency in New Zealand plus two extra friends if Muslim or black.
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August 27, 2016 7:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Meanwhile, courtesy of Zerohedge, which links to PMNews Nigeria, we learn that Robert Mugabe isn’t pleased with his Olympic athletes:
  
  Mr. Mugabe who is incensed with the team’s performance told the Police Chief to arrest all the team members and detain them.
  
  “We have wasted the country’s money on these rats we call athletes. If you are not ready to sacrifice and win even copper or brass medals (referring the 4th and 5th positions) as our neighbors Botswana did, then why do you go to waste our money” he said.
  
  ”If we needed people to just go to Brazil to sing our national anthem and hoist our flag, we would have sent some of the beautiful girls and handsome guys from University of Zimbabwe to represent us.”
  
  He added that, the money invested in the team to represent the country could have been used to provide amenities and build schools.
  
  “This situation is like an impotent man who is married to five women, what is the essence? I will make sure we share the cost across board for all of them to pay back to government chest even if it takes 10 years to recoup, now it turns out to be a soft loan we have given them to go and visit Brazil as tourist, they are useless” he concluded.
  
  Sounds like political satire to me, but it’s Mugabe we’re talking about, so who knows?
  
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  August 27, 2016 7:12pm
William of Ockham

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/honey-rose-manslaughter-case-will-drive-up-nhs-waiting-times-cou/

“The landmark case is the first conviction of an optometrist for gross negligence manslaughter. Such cases generally involve multiple lapses over a period of time and involve obvious symptoms that would lead to a health practitioner referring someone for immediate treatment

“But Judge Jeremy Stuart-Smith, said although it had been a “single lapse”, the breach of duty was so serious that it was criminal.”

Look forward to seeing judges jailed for making mistakes.
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August 27, 2016 7:10pm
Brigitte

Good to see the Silver Ferns open up with a crushing win over the poms. And that was without quite a few experienced players.
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August 27, 2016 7:22pm
Jack5

Karl du Fresne makes some interesting points on the push to legalise cannabis.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2016/08/karl-du-fresne-lingering-consquences-of.html
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August 27, 2016 10:12pm
Manolo

More corrupt than Al Capone:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/293507-seven-ways-the-clinton-foundation-failed-to-meet-its-transparency-promises
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August 28, 2016 3:01pm
starboard

Is there no GD on a Sunday now ?
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August 28, 2016 4:15pm
- big bruv
  
  I wish there was one today then we could talk about the gutless thugs called Dane Coles and Owen Franks. It now seems that the NZ team can punch and eye gouge with impunity.
  
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  August 28, 2016 5:23pm
  - mikenmild
    
    No punch; no eye gouge.
    The arm from Coles was dealt with by the referee, although I thought it should have been a yellow card.
    The alleged eye gouge was nothing of the sort, and ruled so by the citing commissioner on review.
    It must be very tiring hating on the All Blacks so much when they win so often.
    
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    August 28, 2016 5:37pm
thedavincimode

Truly sorry bb – really. But I’ve had to report you to the Headmaster twice; once for calling Coles & Franks gutless and once more for calling them thugs. I expect your day has been miserable enough already but standards must be maintained.
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August 28, 2016 5:50pm
mikenmild

So what sort of a life is it, hating your own country’s premier sports team and being perpetually frustrated by their almost uninterrupted successes?
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August 28, 2016 5:53pm
- thedavincimode
  
  It’s not really much of a life at all milky … bit like yoza or little angry really.
  
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  August 28, 2016 5:58pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Perhaps he would feel better hating on the Warriors; at least they always lose.
    And at least betting against the Warriors is always a good option on the NZ TAB, thanks to their legion of optimistic fans always thinking it will be their year.
    
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    August 28, 2016 6:03pm
mikenmild

Speaking of betting, I know West Ham is not the most fashionable team, and they were just tipped out of the Europa League, but $8.50 is pretty tempting to beat Man City.
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August 28, 2016 6:06pm
starboard

Oh no ! According to Katie big tits Bradford, the bums, stiffs and no hopers have reached Taupo and are living on the streets and in the gutters !
We better build a wall or something so they cant get any further south.
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August 28, 2016 6:10pm
Gabby

Don’t you have gutters down there? Drippingcock.
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August 28, 2016 10:12pm
Manolo

A fuck-up of monumental proportions:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3762538/Angela-Merkel-underestimated-effect-open-doors-policy-record-numbers-migrants-entered-Germany-admits-deputy.html
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