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Keeping Stock

First to comment on the first FULL General Debate on the new-look Kiwiblog. Wow; I need to get out more 😀
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August 26, 2016 8:04am
- redqueen
  
  Slow day 😉
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:06am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Yes, you do
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:09am
- rightoverlabour
  
  2 Down ticks????? Whats so downtiackable about this post???? I believe it’s possible to Identify the down and up tickers on WO. We need to know who these sad people are. (also so we can engage in counter acation of some type. Thats not to say that the anonymity of the poster needs to be removed)
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:02am
kowtow

Another attack on tradition. And another surrender.

“A folk festival has banned Morris dancers from performing with black paint on their faces after complaints that the 500-year-old tradition is racist.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3758107/Shrewsbury-Folk-Festival-bans-Morris-dancers-appearing-blackface.html
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August 26, 2016 8:07am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I suppose coal miners will be banned next. Glad I dont live in the UK. At least in NZ we still believe in freedom of speech and expression.
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:04am
redqueen

Is it just me or does the new look slow down comment post speed? My browser (on two different machines through two different network connections) seems to idle waiting for the comment to post.
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August 26, 2016 8:07am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, speed seems to have taken a hit on my machine as well.
  [edit] took about 20 seconds to post this comment.
  
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  August 26, 2016 11:05am
dave_c_

What sort of ‘democracy’ do we really live in here in NZ ?

‘Conscience vote’ implies a member of parliament can exercise their own vote – possible based on their promise to the electorate that they have a particular view for a particular issue.
However, we also appear to have ‘conscience vote’ unless there is a ‘dictate’ to toe the party line.

This is clearly evident in the way the current government has ‘instructed’ their members to vote for the abdication of their responsibility to permit (or not) retailers opening on Easter holidays, to the local councils.
Hardly ‘democratic’ in my view
Little wonder many have such a low view of spineless pollies. This was a case where National government could make the decision and be judged accordingly for it. Ah ! there’s the nub – not only have they passed the buck, they hide behind others skirts when judgement of that decision is made by the population
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August 26, 2016 8:10am
- jp_1983
  
  Its not really a big deal.
  Council decides when/where we can get a drink or what business can do.
  
  Its just another extension
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:21am
  - dave_c_
    
    Sorry – Don’t understand your term ‘another extension’ ?
    Does this mean :
    – A push to add further imposts on councils role/responsibilty/cost ?
    – A means by which government can remove themselves from the fallouts of such choices made by a plethroa of counciles (who themsleves seem to take very little interest inwhat the ratepayers actually want)
    – or something else?
    
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    August 26, 2016 8:35am
  - dave_c_
    
    “Its not really a big deal”.
    Is this your way of trying to say ‘Trust us, we know what we are doing, so don’t ask questions’ ?
    
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    August 26, 2016 8:36am
- peterwn
  
  There can only be a true conscience vote when parties agree to this and they have confidence that other parties will not quietly ‘whip’ their MP’s to vote a particular way or when it is apparent that their MP’s will all vote the same way for philosophical reasons. This is only likely when the matter being considered has no party political overtones. There are likely to be very few occasions where a conscience vote will occur and this would only be when it is quite apparent that MP’s in each party have differing views on the matter in hand. An example would be a bill allowing euthanasia but even then a conscience vote would only happen if the mood of the debate on the matter clearly indicates that most MP’s would be voting according to their conscience and not in accordance with a covert or implied ‘whip’.
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:54am
  - dave_c_
    
    Seems a rather pointless/variable principle.
    As a layperson, I take your explanation to mean :
    – We’ll have a bob each way. If this could return to slap us in the face, then we’ll do away with the democratic principle (we tell everyone we follow), and instruct our MP’s to toe the ‘real’ party line.
    
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    August 26, 2016 9:00am
    - peterwn
      
      There is no implied constitutional requirement for conscience votes and there are no ‘matters’ defined for which there has to be a conscience vote. There has to be true consensus between political parties for a conscience vote to happen. On a negative note, the circumstances that lead to a conscience vote would be where the electorate is demanding action on a particular matter but the various political parties see it as too ‘hot’ to have a set policy on the matter.
      
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      August 26, 2016 9:31am
      - dave_c_
        
        Wow, if that’s the case, they should be being inundated with demands !
        
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        August 26, 2016 12:18pm
Don the Kiwi

Australia police: “No radicalization” in Muslim who stabbed woman while screaming “Allahu akbar”

The official denial of jihad just keeps getting more ridiculous. Whenever a Muslim screaming “Allahu akbar” kills someone, we are told that it was because of some other reason, nothing whatsoever to do with jihad or Islam. Often lately we hear that jihadis were mentally ill.

In this case, it was unrequited love, a romance gone bad for poor Smail Ayad, although “certainly from Mia’s point of view” there was no “romantic connection.”

Well, that’s a shame. The broken-hearted are indeed many, and some do resort, in their rage and shame and frustration, to physical attacks against those who have rejected them. The difference here is that Smail Ayad screamed “Allahu akbar” while murdering Mia Ayliffe-Chung. Up to the point he did this, he may have been a “moderate.” He may not have had an Islamic State or al-Qaeda membership card in his wallet. He may, in other words, have shown no signs of “radicalization.”

What he did show signs of, however, was a tendency among Muslims to react with a murderous rage that they associate with religious fervor when they are denied, frustrated, rejected. Is it really wise for Australia or any other country to import large numbers of people who believe that Allah will punish Infidels by their hands (cf. Qur’an 9:14) and that therefore, if they believe an Infidel has wronged them, may decide to become executors of the divine wrath?
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August 26, 2016 8:11am
- Huevon
  
  I see this latest outrage from the religion of peace, and official complicity in it, but the new white, spacious Kiwiblog format makes me feel oddly calm about it all. Will we see the dawn of civilised debate in the comments section?
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  It seems a common thread through Islam that the potential for ‘Manchurian Candidates’ is far higher than other religions. But far more sinister is the mainly white, sickly liberals who defend any attack on Muslim culture. This video of white socialists outside the French embassy in London defending the burkini shows the absolute lowest level these hypocrites will descend to. It is a fair bet that some of those protesters are gay, have dogs as pets, eat pork, have an intact clitoris and when visiting the Middle East dress accordingly. It is little wonder the Left is losing ground worldwide.
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    Don The kiwi ,
    
    people like you often end up with the proverbial eggs on their faces before crawling away on their bellies in humiliating silences .
    
    A tendency of Muslims … ? All Muslims ?Evidence ? The bible has an equivalent passage (if of course, you quoted the Koran accurately ),
    
    “Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.” (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
    
    And it is not he only one .
    
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    August 26, 2016 9:11am
    - stephieboy
      
      For some reason, I left out the first paragraph out of original post and have reposted it in full,
      
      Don The kiwi , we have a strong tradition of in our judicial and democratic affairs of not jumping to conclusions about incidences of criminal behaviour until the full facts emerge .
      
      People like you often end up with the proverbial eggs on their faces before scurrying away on their bellies in humiliating silences .
      
      A tendency of Muslims … ? All Muslims and evidence . Your Koranic quote ? The bible has an equivalent passage (if of course, you quoted it accurately ),
      
      “Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.” (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
      
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      August 26, 2016 9:31am
      - Jack5
        
        Good morning Stephie A, good morning Stephie B … good morning Stephie X.
        
        It’s a relief to see your camel train eventually found its way through the gates and indentations into the new Kiwiblog.
        
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        August 26, 2016 10:58am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Stephen Boyle.
      Your quote from Deuteronomy applied(past tense) to the Jewish people in their early times of mortal conflict with the pagans who sought to annihilate them.
      Christianity has disavowed those parts of the OT, because they have been fulfilled.
      
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      August 26, 2016 10:46am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      There’s some colour 😉 to break up the white.
      
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      August 26, 2016 4:42pm
kowtow

MSF are actively bringing illegal immigrants into Europe. But in so doing they are encouraging the illegals to take to boats and so risk mass drowning .

“MSF has rescued more than 25,000 refugees from the southern Mediterranean over the past two years, and currently has three different boats operating off the coast of Libya. While the flow of refugees between Turkey and Greece has all but stopped, near-record numbers are still heading from Libya to Italy, and dying in the process. At least 3,100 are thought to have drowned so far this year, leaving MSF with a crucial lifesaving role in the southern Mediterranean.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/25/msf-mediterranean-bourbon-argos-armed-raid-libya-coast
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August 26, 2016 8:15am
Manolo

Has the UK gained much?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3758242/Six-migrants-trying-cross-Channel-rescued-coast-Dover.html
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August 26, 2016 8:17am
billmurray

Sorry David but I do not like the new layout, to spaced out, much prefer the old.
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August 26, 2016 8:26am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yesterday I predicted that the new format would result in reduced commenting (and probably readership).
  
  Today at 9.57am there have only been 51 comments on General Debate.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:58am
  - tom hunter
    
    Well I see Stephieboy is missing, plus a few other similar plonkers, so that’s all good.
    
    Sadly however, they will slowly return, like amphibians after a flood, slowly crawling up out of the ooze and testing their club-like fins on new ground.
    
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    August 26, 2016 10:01am
    - Kimbo
      
      Speaking of which, how about those Cubs, tom? Wow!
      
      http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/
      
      W81 L45, .643, a 100-game winning season in site and (drum roll) post season fast approaching…
      
      This year! 😉
      
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      August 26, 2016 10:12am
      - tom hunter
        
        The 100 game season has been the likely target since at least early June, and at this rate I’m wondering if they hit 110.
        
        Since their mid-season wobbles they’ve looked phenomenal. The loss side suddenly started moving to 40, then 41 – but since then it’s hardly budged. 45 losses – pfft.
        
        All that crap aside the Nationals also look really good and when it comes to playoffs well as we all know there are such things as hot and cold streaks, even over seven game series. Who can forget the Seattle Mariners in 2000, not to mention a couple of very good Yankee’s sides in the last decade or so.
        
        What I like about this though is that the Cubs have kept their foot on the throttle the whole time. I’ve not looked in detail at the stats but I do wonder how much difference that new closing pitcher has made. The son-of-a-bitch seems to hit 99-100mph as soon as he’s on the mound and looks smooth and relaxed doing it. Rivera 2.0?
        
        I’m still seriously thinking about an October trip to Chi-town. I hear there’s some other ball game following soon after, so I can always dry my sorrows there if need be.
        
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        August 26, 2016 10:37am
    - Kimbo
      
      …and I forget to mention, even better, the Cards are in 2nd place in the National Central league, a massive 13.5 games behind.
      
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      August 26, 2016 10:19am
Hugh Pavletich

BREXIT GOING GLOBAL … CITIZENS DEMANDING CONTROL & PERFORMANCE OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS …

French support for the EU project is crumbling on the Left and Right … Ambrose Evans-Pritchard … UK Telegraph
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/08/24/french-support-for-the-eu-project-is-crumbling-on-the-left-and-r/

… extract …

… A Pew survey of Europe in June found that 61pc of French voters have an “unfavourable” view of the EU, higher than in Britain. These sorts of polls keep cropping up in France. They are invariably dismissed as rogue findings.

Professor Thomas Guénolé from ‘Sciences Po’ in Paris warns against wishful thinking. “Incredible as it may seem, a referendum on ‘Frexit’ would probably be lost by the European side. As in the UK, ‘leave’ would win,” he said.

“Brexit changes the situation profoundly. The advocates of the European construction have got into the habit of defending Europe with catastrophist arguments, that it will provoke fresh wars or lead to economic collapse. But Britain is now quitting, and quite evidently this will not lead to an economic cataclysm, or to a major geo-political crisis,” he told Le Figaro. … read more via hyperlink above …

NIGEL FARAGE SPEAKS AT DONALD TRUMP RALLY
… Youtube …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS8yKmAO6n8

Donald Trump brings UKIP leader Nigel Farage to Mississippi rally | Daily Mail Online

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3757474/The-Donald-brings-UK-Independence-leader-Nigel-Farage-Mississippi-rally-British-leader-says-wouldn-t-vote-Hillary-paid-me.html
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August 26, 2016 8:29am
- stephieboy
  
  I do wonder if Nigel Farrage has anything useful or meaningful to add in the US . Of course, undoubtedly Breitbart and Steve Brannon will quiz him on his false assassination claims , tax avoidance matters , and that his aide and close colleague ,George Cottrell at the Cleveland Republican convention , was arrested by the FBI on Fraud and money Laundering matters ,
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12088804/Nigel-Farage-I-made-a-terrible-terrible-mistake-over-assassination-attempt-claims.html
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:12am
Manolo

Anything goes:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-ad-kkk-trump-227404
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August 26, 2016 8:37am
- DJP6-25
  
  That’s rich. The KKK was the Democratic party in evening attire.
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:06pm
G152

Noticed the ‘Pacifica’ of Liebor trying to get the Nats ‘Pacifica’ to cross the floor to keep religious holidays in place and the waffling on about unions and underpaid workers..
Liebor seem intent in living in the not so rosy past
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August 26, 2016 8:39am
dime

Not loving the comment section.

The site is really spaced out.

Looks great on a tablet though.
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August 26, 2016 8:42am
- Dave Mann
  
  Looks crap actually. I can’t uptick your comment because the button is right on the margin and I can’t press it on my phone, even using a stylus. Maybe it would work if I purchased a S7 Edge… but I’m not going to go to that extent just to uptick comments on Kiwiblog 😀
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:03am
wiseowl

The contaminated water issue in Havelock North has shown local MP Foss to be incompetent in understanding the role of local authorities and the very ,very important point that regional councils need to be autonomous and understood around something as serious as this.
The Hastings District Council is responsible for the wells and has conditions in consents that mean the water they have access to should not be able to be contaminated through headworks or defects that allow surface water to get in to the drawn water.
Foss does not understand and at a time he should be supporting the regulatory role of the regional council he is instead attacking them for doing their job.
It appears there is a problem that Hastings have known about but failed to inform the regional council and now it is a very messy situation.
If there is a problem with the sealing of the well then that may well be how the contamination occurred.It is highly unlikely any contaminants have entered via the aquifer.
Foss should resign.
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August 26, 2016 8:49am
- HB
  
  Agreed. Foss has really let the people of Havelock North down. First, the debacle over the new primary school (supporting Hekia instead of his constituents when she decided that even though the local community had a shortage of classrooms that the land promised for a new primary school would instead be used for a Kura for Maori students, who aren’t even local but will have to be bussed in from Hastings) and now the water crisis.
  
  Who does he really serve?
  
  I think he will be lucky to retain his seat after the next election.
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:46pm
dave_c_

Without appearing ungrateful – I too feel the site is too spaced out, and far too much white space, which totally distracts.
As I read quite quickly, I’m forever having to scroll.
Do like the new ‘reply’ functionality – certainly brings the standard of the blogs presentation and context up to what is now commonplace.
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August 26, 2016 8:51am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes I like the ‘reply’ function too. It’s the only part of this new design which is an improvement, IMHO.
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:06am
mikenmild

I found this quite funny. This week ultra-wingnut Ann Coulter published a hagiography of Donald Trump, which says ‘there’s nothing Trump can do that won’t be forgiven. Except change his position on immigration’. So what does Trump do this week? Change his position on immigration, of course.
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August 26, 2016 8:54am
- dime
  
  wow milky, an ultra-wingnut?? what comes after ultra?
  
  super dooper milky dont like her wingnut?
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:57am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yes, she’s pretty out there on the craziness scale, dime.
    Examples?
    “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
    “I’m a Christian first and a mean-spirited, bigoted conservative second, and don’t you ever forget it.”
    “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”
    
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    August 26, 2016 9:04am
    - dime
      
      awesome quotes milky, i like how you gave them context too!
      
      reckon if i trawled through your 24,157 garbage comments i couldnt pull out some gems?
      
      also, you didnt answer my question.
      
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      August 26, 2016 9:13am
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, I can’t think of anyone much crazier than her.
        How do you put murderous aspirations into ‘context’?
        
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        August 26, 2016 9:22am
      - stephieboy
        
        dime, a sampler of Ann Coulter’s crazy utterances . One is the belief that growth of the popularity of soccer in the US will lead to its moral decay . I invite you to choose yours ,
        
        http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/anncoulter.htm
        
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        August 26, 2016 10:27am
Keeping Stock

If you believe Sue Moroney (and I don’t) National outlawed Easter Sunday yesterday:

Sue Moroney ‏@suemoroney · 18h18 hours ago

Just got kicked out of the debating chamber by the Speaker for 1st time for calling National gutless for getting rid of Easter Sunday.

Chester Borrows did the right thing by kicking Moroney out yesterday. She interjected on Michael Woodhouse that he was gutless. He rightly took exception, and Borrows demanded she withdraw and apologise. She was reluctant at which point Borrows warned her that if she did not, he would eject her.

Moroney’s response “I withdraw and apologise for calling the Member gutless.”

You’d think that after eight years in the wilderness of opposition, Labour might have learned that abuse, hyperbole and bullshit go down like a lead balloon with the voting public, but Ms Moroney is proof that they have learned nothing.
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August 26, 2016 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  The defence of Christianity, coming from the left who tried to get rid of the parliament prayer, I call it , ‘hypocrisy”.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:05am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so kowtow. And interestingly, David Carter has been using a modernised version of the parliamentary prayer this week with “thee” and “thy” replaced by “you” and “your”.
    
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    August 26, 2016 9:17am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, maybe you’d like to share with us your Damascus Road conversion to the faith or is it more a “Cultural ” Northern Irish Protestant thingie ?
    
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    August 26, 2016 10:49am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Moroney’s comments as usual were worthless, untrue and stupid. Nothing changes!
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:22am
- Happychappy
  
  I think Labour their Leader,Moroney and LeesGalloway are a disgrace and have lowered the standards of what is expected from MPs with their loose mouth slagging in Parliament Question time and debates
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:23am
- RF
  
  What’s wrong with Moroney. She is a sour puss that has a permanent scowling expression on her face indicating that she sucks lemons for pleasure. Not a friendly type.
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That shows in her perfect electoral record RF. Moroney has stood for election as an electorate MP six times, and has a 100% failure rate. Yet she continues to sup from the trough, courtesy of sneaking in just high enough on Labour’s list. She is the personification of everything that is bad about MMP.
    
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    August 26, 2016 4:39pm
kowtow

Immigration matters.

“The right-wing populist Alternative for Germany party (AfD), which wasn’t yet even polling at the 5 percent hurdle needed to land seats in parliament in August 2015, is now consistently over 10 percent. According to a ranking by R+V Versicherung, an insurance company that has polled Germans’ worries since 1992, fears of “tensions resulting from the immigration of foreigners” and “being overwhelmed by asylum-seekers” are ranked third and fourth among those surveyed. And that data came from a poll conducted before the attacks in Würzburg and Ansbach.”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-look-back-at-the-refugee-crisis-one-year-later-a-1107986-4.html
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August 26, 2016 8:59am
wiseowl

MM
I find you quite funny.
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August 26, 2016 9:00am
dave_c_

To the moderator – Please let me know why my comment 8:51am is under moderation
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August 26, 2016 9:03am
- mikenmild
  
  It’s a bug that has evidently carried over into the new format. Copy your comment, delete it, then re-post it.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:05am
  - dave_c_
    
    ok, thank you , I will try that
    
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    August 26, 2016 9:08am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I had an issue with a comment with too many links and it was seen as suspected spam. I emailed David and it was released.
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:12am
RF

FFS. When will the NZ Police get off their arses and join the real world. They proudly trumpet that we are one of the few unarmed Police Depts in the world and present as a Dixon of Dock Green type of copper.

Unarmed Police in Northland had to run for cover last night as an armed gunman stole their Police car….

Jesus wept.
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August 26, 2016 9:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And now the plods have been searching for him in Kaiwaka for about 3 hours.
  Which probably means he is no longer in Kaiwaka and they have no idea where he is.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:33am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Apparently he went down Bickerstaffe road in Maungaturoto. Not many ways out of there, that’s part of six toe county. He is probably helping in a re-make of Deliverance even as we speak.
    
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    August 26, 2016 9:49am
  - Jack5
    
    And wouldn’t there have been guns in a locker in the police car’s boot?
    
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    August 26, 2016 10:52am
    - RF
      
      A firearm in a locked boot is useless as tits on a bull if you do not have time to unlock the boot, unlock the gun box and load up. Somehow I just cannot see an offender waiting around for the cop to arm up.
      
      There is only one place for a sidearm and that’s on the hip.
      
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      August 26, 2016 11:00am
      - Jack5
        
        If the gunman has an IQ over 90 he could have the car’s gun box open by now.
        
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        August 26, 2016 11:03am
- Dave Mann
  
  Sorry I down ticked your comment accidentally because the microscopic little buttons are too close together and squashed into the margin. 😀
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:12am
dave_c_

Without appearing ungrateful – I too feel the site is too spaced out, and far too much white space, which totally distracts.
As I read quite quickly, I’m forever having to scroll.
Do like the new ‘reply’ functionality – certainly brings the standard of the blogs presentation and context up to what is now commonplace.
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August 26, 2016 9:09am
- Keeping Stock
  
  It does take a bit of getting used to Dave, but in a few days time, most of us will have.
  
  I do still mourn the loss of the chubby Kiwi, but with DPF’s new svelte, athletic physique, promoting obesity probably isn’t the best look.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:23am
jcuk

The new layout is a good excuse not to visit … typical of reformers changing things for the worst.
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August 26, 2016 9:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Goodbye jcuk, I’m sure we’ll survive without you.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:43am
  - DJP6-25
    
    The new layout doesn’t bother me. It looks OK on my PC. I don’t use my smartphone to access KB.
    
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    August 26, 2016 12:13pm
  - jcuk
    
    I am sure we all will survive but it is funny that a conservative blog changes instead of ignoring progress
    
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    August 26, 2016 12:45pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Feel free to create your own blog and format to your hearts content ?
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:52am
  - jcuk
    
    Too much effort NW … will miss your comments 🙂
    
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    August 26, 2016 12:47pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Don’t let your mouse bite you on the bum on the way out jcuk 😉
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:08am
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    Typical smart arse comment
    
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    August 26, 2016 12:48pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      The pleasure’s mine jcuk. Isn’t this reply facility wonderful?
      
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      August 26, 2016 4:47pm
Captain Mainwaring

The new format had me worried at first, but now I love it.
Especially the facility to insert a comment under another post.
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August 26, 2016 9:42am
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  At first I thought that this was an improvement as well. But then I realised that if I leave a thread to revisit later, I will have to start from the top of the comments section again to ensure I catch all new posts since I last left. Some sort of mechanism to mark the posts you have read/skipped would be useful.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:45am
- jcuk
  
  That is something one suffers from at The Standard
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:50pm
mikenmild

Latest Obama outrage: federally-paid lesbian farmers will take over rural America.
Just kidding.
http://www.dailydot.com/irl/lesbian-and-transgender-hillbillies-are-taking-over-your-town/
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August 26, 2016 10:22am
- jcuk
  
  Also of worry are the homeless going bush and causing forest fires.
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:52pm
Happychappy

I wonder whether Trevor has got a few tickets to tomorrow nights test at the cake tin to flog
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August 26, 2016 10:40am
rightoverlabour

I wonder what he would have got if they had actually died? Sometimes I think we could learn a few things from the USA justice system. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/25/boiling-water-gay-men-sentencing-martin-blackwell
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August 26, 2016 10:44am
Jack5

Journalist Judith Woods, in the Telegraph commenting on France’s burkini ban:

Here in Britain, where there are no bans in place, I would like to see face veils outlawed for the simple reason this is and always has been a culture in which we have an expectation and a right to look one another in the eye during public life.

Are face veils banned in NZ? That is, outside bank premises, where “hoodies” and some other garb is banned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/being-for-the-burkini-ban-on-beaches-doesnt-make-me-anti-women/
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August 26, 2016 10:46am
- mikenmild
  
  I too feel that the Police in New Zealand could perform a valuable service by forcing women to wear less clothing at the beach.
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:54am
  - Jack5
    
    You should get out more, Milky. You could enjoy the site of good looking women in bikinis, just as Muslim men do – but only of non-Muslim women. They keep their women hidden.
    
    Looks as though feminist activists are finally waking up to the threat of Islam.
    
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    August 26, 2016 11:06am
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m agreeing with you Jack. I quite agree that women should be forced to wear less clothes. What could be a greater statement of freedom than a police officer threatening a woman with jail unless she wears a bikini?
      
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      August 26, 2016 11:17am
      - KevinH
        
        Women should be free to dress however they choose when they go to the beach, for personal reasons relating to body image.
        Forcing a woman to undress in order to conform with an arcane male perspective is insulting and offensive to the woman concerned. Ultimately it is the woman’s right to dress according to her own choice.
        I do see this as an act of sexual discrimination and view the actions of French Police as being contrary to the notion of liberty.
        
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        August 26, 2016 11:36am
    - Happychappy
      
      Jack5@11.06am
      You could imagine Megan Woods and Sue Moroney turning up in their bikini for Milky a reward for his support
      
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      August 26, 2016 12:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Old white ladies full frontal are not a sight to behold.
    
    You can go to the movies to view Moby Dick.
    I don’t go to the beach to look at great white whales.
    
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    August 26, 2016 11:53am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 , since when it has been a common law right to eyeball someone or if you like “look them in the eye ? ”
  
  I think the police and bank staff are quite capable of discerning women wearing a veil and some with a hoodie intent on an armed hold-up . If you feel there is an issue raise it with either of them.
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:57am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    sillyboy, purveyor of fuckwitterey since whenever.
    
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    August 26, 2016 11:07am
- Northland Wahine
  
  I’m not sure how this Burkini differs from a wetsuit. Not as clingy maybe?
  
  On one hand some people say our young women could dress more modestly and I suspect the same people would think these burkinis are offensive.
  
  Personally, I think as long as it doesn’t impede her ability to swim, or causes the need for the assistance of a life guard, let her wear the damn thing on the beach. Least the risk of skin cancer is null and void.
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:08pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    On that note, I had previously mused that women who wear the burkha must be vitamin d deficient.
    
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    August 26, 2016 5:02pm
Jack5

Stephie X: have a look at the notices on the doors of banks. If hoodies, motorbike helmets, and dark glasses can get you thrown out of a bank, a full face covering should, too.

Still, given the fact that Muslims think charging or paying interest is a sin, they probably would go only to a Muslim bank, where interest is disguised as discounts, as in bills.
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August 26, 2016 11:01am
Jack5

Stephies and Milky … looks like France is going to hold on to the burkini ban: now Sarkozy wants extended it to all the country’s beaches.
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August 26, 2016 11:08am
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  France’s burkini ban doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. It seems like a pretty futile attempt to hold the inevitable at bay. You can’t open your borders up to mass immigration from the third world and then complain about the clothes the immigrants want to wear.
  
  If you don’t want your country turning into an Islamic Republic, you’re going to have to take action far more substantial than dictating what women can wear at the beach.
  Deck chairs and the Titanic springs to mind.
  
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  August 26, 2016 11:33am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Perhaps they have invested in the brand, I understand sales have gone through the roof with the free ‘exposure’ ;).
  
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  August 26, 2016 7:50pm
Notsofast

Just one addendum on Lundy, I wish people would realise the case is bringing the NZ dsystem into disrepute. Here is one comment made today be an American, who really knows his stuff. This ain’t going away, ever, and NZ ers are on notice, including Adams, Key and so on. It must be dealt with.
Down tick away, but what is the point? The international standard is these cases are exposed.

“”This moderator is only relevant to the crime if one assumes it was attached to the rifle when Bamber shot his family, after which he removed it and put it in the closet before he left the crime scene.

There’s no particular reason he would do this, and nothing else suggests he did. It simply has to be that way, or else the moderator is irrelevant, and the case against Bamber relies entirely on Mugford’s accusation.

Compare with Lundy. The sole piece of forensic evidence against him assumes a narrow set of circumstances for which there is no other support, something like a Tyvek suit with a tiny hole that he discarded after the crime.

With Amanda Knox, the famous “double DNA knife” is only relevant if one assumes she carried it to the crime scene, for reasons unknown, and then used it in conjunction with a smaller knife to commit murder.

I can think of a number of other cases where the police lab came up with an isolated test result that is helpful to the prosecution, but can only be worked into the crime by assuming an oddball scenario. Every conviction thus obtained, that I know of, is either marred by controversy or has been overturned.””
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August 26, 2016 11:11am
- Jack5
  
  FFS let it go! Who gives a toss about this murderer.
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:28pm
  - Notsofast
    
    The issue is also the killers still roaming. They are probably in jail like other gang members, but the whole structure is emboldened to do it again. Who killed Scott Guy? Everyone knows this was a gang kiulling, that is what they do, they acquire guns and use them. Who the hell is Sue Schwalger to boast about the professionalism of the Lundy 2015 hoax and that she would seek no one else for the Scott Guy killing? Surprising complacency Jacko.
    Look at Pam Hupp, she killed Betsy Faria, and because they arrested the husband, kindly Pam has killed again. Google it to see the full danger of not investigating murders.
    You will see soon enough.
    
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    August 26, 2016 4:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  Notsofast ,the facts remain that Sheila Bamber had two gunshot wounds to her neck the first which would have incapacitated her . Nor blood or other DNA on her person linking her to the crime .
  
  Are we, therefore, to believe she showered before going to meet her maker ?
  
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  August 26, 2016 1:46pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Yes I think we are. Robin Bain changed his clothes. When everyone is dead, there is time to reflect, and we can scarcely imagine the next move. We can’t be sure they planned to kill themselves as well. The Bamber case is important because it can help those in denial understand how Robin Bain behaved, and the message he left on the computer, which was after an hour of reflecting what he had done.
    In the Bamber case the silencer blood fleck makes no sense, the size, condition and so on. She shot herself alright, first shot a girl missing.
    
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    August 26, 2016 5:01pm
    - Longknives
      
      Notsofast- You should hook up with Rowan and Judith! ( Fellow ‘Dirty Cops Framed Everyone’ Conspiracy nutters..)
      I feel like Kiwiblog’s own little version of Tinder..
      
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      August 27, 2016 7:45pm
EAD

Sums up Killerys speech:

https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/768814941306359809
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August 26, 2016 11:15am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, naturally enough for you there is got to be Jew featuring in your cartoon !
  
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  August 26, 2016 1:48pm
kowtow

Is there no end to the academic fascism that has become so fashionable these days?

“every new undergraduate student at the University of Winnipeg must meet an indigenous course requirement to graduate. ”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/25/canada-universities-indigenous-studies-university-of-winnipeg
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August 26, 2016 11:19am
Reid

When the EP-3 was forced down on Hainan Island in 2001 and Clinton proceeded to let the Chinese crawl all over it and strip it, I started looking into other things Clinton might have done to favour China. While the Hainan incident allowed the Chinese to break the US military codes and gave them all of the ELINT secrets on that model, I also read at that time China’s MIRVs had suddenly stopped disintegrating on re-entry as well as a few other details over bases. Point is, he was and is a traitor, and so is his wife. Don’t believe me? I’m not asking you to. Believe this.

https://www.softwar.net/missilegate.html
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August 26, 2016 11:22am
- CrazyIvan
  
  Reid, slight problem with your theory. The plane was forced down on 1 April 2001. Who was the president at the time?
  
  George W Bush.
  
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  August 26, 2016 1:47pm
  - Reid
    
    It was Clinton who was POTUS at the time Ivan. Maybe it wasn’t 2001. And it’s not a theory.
    
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    August 26, 2016 2:07pm
    - CrazyIvan
      
      Ummm
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
      
      I’ve got a copy of George W’s autoboography Decision Points. His comment:
      
      “On April 1 2001, an American surveillance plane known as an EP-3 collided with a Chinese aircraft and made an emergency landing on Hainan Island…This was not the way I wanted to start my relationship with China.” (p426)
      
      Have you got any evidence that an earlier incident happened on the same island to the same type of plane?
      
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      August 26, 2016 2:39pm
mikenmild

This is troubling:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/04/pastafarianism-is-not-a-religion/
How do authorities get to decide that the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a ‘true’ religion?
Next the government will be coming after the Scientologists and Mormons. Is the test that one has to be able somehow to prove a sincere belief in the absurd?
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August 26, 2016 11:34am
- Lucia Maria
  
  “[Pastafarianism] is, rather, a parody, intended to advance an argument about science, the evolution of life, and the place of religion in public education. Those are important issues, and FSMism contains a serious argument—but that does not mean that the trappings of the satire used to make that argument are entitled to protection as a ‘religion,'” the judge ruled.
  
  You don’t agree that Pastafarianism is a parody?
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:47pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I would say that this is a difficult test to apply to any religion, as they all contain elements that are patently absurd.
    
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    August 26, 2016 12:49pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      They may do from an outsider’s perspective, but no person joins a standard religion to parody and protest the absurdity of religion in general – which is the prime purpose of Pastafarianism.
      
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      August 26, 2016 12:51pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      In the US, the test is whether the person’s belief is genuine, not whether it is reasonable or less absurd than alternatives.
      
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      August 26, 2016 1:09pm
Manolo

Get that woman a tin-foil hat:
http://www.infowars.com/paranoid-hillary-smears-alex-jones-during-conspiracy-obsessed-rant/

Hillary Clinton claimed that Donald Trump was embracing “dark conspiracy theories” before going on a conspiracy theory-obsessed rant in which she attacked Alex Jones and claimed that Vladimir Putin was the villainous mastermind behind the ‘Alt-Right’ movement.
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August 26, 2016 11:43am
- Lucia Maria
  
  It’s not tinfoil hat worthy if it’s actually happening. In that Russia is exploiting and financing some of the alt-right.
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:50pm
  - Reid
    
    You do realise Lucia you’re swallowing Killary and her supporters’ propaganda in buying into that proposition, but then again you’re a rabid Russiaphobe so you’re on the extreme end of your particular confirmation bias on that so who’s surprised you just lap it all up.
    
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    August 26, 2016 2:11pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Lucia secretly watches all those videos of a shirtless, sweaty Vlad doing press-ups and riding horses Reid!
      
      She just hasn’t been to confession yet so still feels guilty about her sin! 🙂
      
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      August 26, 2016 2:19pm
Huevon

Media are reporting that an assassination attempt on Angela Merkel has been foiled.

This is very concerning. Now she will increase security measures, which will make the next attempt even more difficult.
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August 26, 2016 11:47am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Heuvon,
  
  Media are reporting that an assassination attempt on Angela Merkel has been foiled.
  
  This is very concerning. Now she will increase security measures, which will make the next attempt even more difficult.
  
  You seriously want Angela Merkel to be killed?
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Lucia Maria ,there are those here on KB unhinged and deluded enough to desire that .
    
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    August 26, 2016 12:57pm
    - Reid
      
      Just as there are those on here stupid enough to hallucinate that not having her in the position wouldn’t be a good thing.
      
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      August 26, 2016 2:13pm
rightoverlabour

As far as I am concerned the burkini is not the big problem, the niqab is. That should be banned in all public places. If they want to dress like that, go back to where it’s normal dress code. The chances are if the woman is wearing one, the husband is a fanatic.
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August 26, 2016 11:49am
- mikenmild
  
  So if you banned it, the husbands would magically become less fanatical?
  
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  August 26, 2016 11:58am
- itstricky
  
  Bloody Chardonnay leftie socialist nanny state commies. Always trying ban stuff.
  
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  August 26, 2016 5:39pm
Griff

Its there socialist urges mike.
Don’t like something make the government ban it.
Cant wait until the local brethren are banned form wearing head scarves and those unfaltering skirts they wear .
Priest in frocks.
Men wearing woman’s clothing should be banned as well .
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August 26, 2016 12:08pm
- mikenmild
  
  Kilts are an horrific concept too. I can’t believe anyone would wear one unless they were being subjected to some kind of domestic terrorism.
  
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  August 26, 2016 12:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Now let’s include banning saris , salwar Kameez ,lava lavas , kilts and priests frocks ( as suggest above ) , nun habits etc.
    
    The mind boggles !
    
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    August 26, 2016 1:01pm
    - Manolo
      
      How many people wearing those clothes have blown themselves up? How many?
      
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      August 26, 2016 1:06pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo, all I can say is that here and as in most places elsewhere only a crazed slither of a minority want to blow themselves up , niqab or not
        
        Show to the contrary ?
        
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        August 26, 2016 1:17pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        In a uni paper I am currently doing I watched a youtube, where a women in her burkha stole goods, bizarrely it was a set sheet that was on a floor in a shop. She had bare feet, manouevred it under the burkha etc picked it up, very deliberate, didn’t even look like high count egyptian cotton type shop lol. She was with others playing distraction. No, no Jimmy Carr either, but would be a good trick.
        
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        August 26, 2016 5:18pm
    - Flash
      
      Trackies!
      
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      August 26, 2016 1:47pm
- itstricky
  
  Nun’s habits
  
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  August 26, 2016 5:41pm
Manolo

Who is behind the attempt on Mamma Merkel’s life?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/assassination-attempt-on-angela-merkel–8706692
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August 26, 2016 12:16pm
kowtow

Shooting Germans in Prague never ends well.

BTW I doubt there’s anything to it.
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August 26, 2016 12:33pm
Johnboy

With apologies to Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy: 🙂

“I’ll be calling you Abu Hoo Jigaboo! ”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-diversity-policy-hijab-1.3733829
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August 26, 2016 12:47pm
dave_c_

Facebook thinks any discussion of immunizations that does not completely agree with the false government narrative is a “violation of community standards”.

What this demonstrates is that Facebook is, of course, part of the info-Gestapo that includes Google, Twitter and Yahoo, all of which are deliberately censoring an ever-expanding selection of articles, posts, comments and websites which do not obediently worship the official quack science narratives of the criminal government.

It’s not just that you’re not allowed to disagree with the official government narrative on immunizations… you’re not even allowed to TALK about the subject!

As we increasingly see in our totalitarian society run by corrupt government criminals and fascist corporate globalists, websites which question official narratives on subjects like climate science, genetic engineering, HIV/AIDS, immunizations and even the corruption of the Clinton Foundation now find themselves suppressed, censored or outright blocked into oblivion.

Doubters that this is the situation – try searching for ‘mandatory vaccinations’
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August 26, 2016 12:57pm
Manolo

Why would the ultra-corrupt woman bother giving a press conference if the obedient and biased media is doing her job?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3759093/Clinton-dodges-questions-cooperative-reporters-offering-free-chocolate-s-264-days-real-press-conference.html
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August 26, 2016 12:58pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manalo, why give a press conference when thus far the inept Trump is so capability delivering Hillary an election victory ?
  
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  August 26, 2016 1:23pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Clinton needs to front the press. She is trying to avoid answering questions about dodgy activity
    
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    August 26, 2016 4:17pm
dave_c_

Want to know how to extend your mobile battery life ?

Place your phone on the table and go outside for good walk.
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August 26, 2016 1:19pm
Biscuit

I see the Kimdotwhatever roadshow is about to resume…

What can we expect?

• ‘Moment Of Truth II’? Although, thinking of the ginormous flop that ‘Moment Of Truth I’ provided, that’d likely be as big a surprise as Bledisloe II at the Cake Tin will be tomorrow night, ha…
• Another fake e-mail?
• A new video song?
• A new chant? How’d that last one go, Kim? Oh yep: ‘F*ck John Key!’
• Another lot of ‘balanced’ reporting from that tame plant the German of Girth had at ‘The New Zealand Herald’?
• Testimonials from his erstwhile political buddies. Laila? Hone? Wed Wussell (remember his two visits to Coatesville, at huge taxpayer expense, ahead of the 2014 General Election?)? Winnie the Pooh (and his at least three similar meetings)?
• Some typically-inane bleatings from the Delusionatti – Hager, Assange, Snowden, Greenwald. Not to mention that harridan at Auckland University…
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August 26, 2016 1:53pm
Michael

New layout looks good to me. Easier to read comments and more spaced out. Well done, DPF.
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August 26, 2016 2:07pm
stephieboy

Another refresher from John Oliver as to why Trump’s election campaign is continuing to turn to custard . From Obama founded ISIS ,to I was being sarcastic , then backed tracked on that ,where he claimed the statement was “not that sarcastic, to be honest with you.”

With yet another high note of the elections are going to be rigged not forgetting second amenders might consider taking Hillary Clinton out ,

http://fortune.com/2016/08/15/john-oliver-trump-sarcasm/

And people ask why Hillary doesn’t have a press conference . Actually, she could do so most successfully by merely focussing on Trump’s innumerable meltdown moments as per above .
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August 26, 2016 3:31pm
- Reid
  
  And people ask why Hillary doesn’t have a press conference
  
  No we already know why stephie. It’s because she’s at severe risk of doing another chicken when more than one person talks to her at once or when flashbulbs go off. Imagine that. Even the media coudln’t accidently lose all the footage from something like that happening, in front of everyone there.
  
  Why else would a POTUS candidate not hold press conferences?
  
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  August 26, 2016 4:55pm
Johnboy

Shadders can use them as tail lights for his concrete mixer! 🙂
One day the dumbarse’s of Inver will finally see through the poser! 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83593418/invercargill-city-councils-christmas-lights-from-china-noncompliant-with-new-zealand-standards
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August 26, 2016 3:43pm
Scott Chris

Ironic thing is that those who most vehemently object to the Burkini probably oppose feminism as well. Thing is, had it not been for the feminist movement, showing even one’s ankles or, heaven forefend, wearing pants would still be considered indecent for women.
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August 26, 2016 3:44pm
- Johnboy
  
  Thank goodness Salome (in AD34) never heard of the feminist movement then Scotty! 🙂
  
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  August 26, 2016 3:54pm
Scott Chris

dime

Not loving the comment section.

The site is really spaced out.

Looks great on a tablet though.

Thus complains a guy who spaced his comment out.
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August 26, 2016 3:48pm
Scott Chris

Johnboy

Thank goodness Salome (in AD34)

The AD 34 Salome? The one who gave head rather than demanded head like her old testament counterpart? I see.
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August 26, 2016 4:08pm
- Johnboy
  
  You seem be in conflict with the word of the Lord Scotty? 🙂
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salome
  
  Lord Wiki that is! 🙂
  
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  August 26, 2016 5:04pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    Nah you’re right JB I was getting my testaments mixed up. But I stand by my double entendre.
    
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    August 26, 2016 5:43pm
BananaLlama

Hillary Clinton has lost her shit. She spent 30 minutes ranting about Alex Jones, David Duke and vast right wing conspiracies led by the white nationalist Putin (lmfao!) all the while raging at Trump and not mentioning a single policy. I can’t wait to see her next speech maybe she will wear a tinfoil hat.
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August 26, 2016 4:16pm
Scott Chris

BananaLlama

Hillary Clinton has lost her shit. She spent 30 minutes ranting about Alex Jones, David Duke and vast right wing conspiracies led by the white nationalist Putin (lmfao!) all the while raging at Trump and not mentioning a single policy.

She was merely listing Trump’s most ardent supporters you silly Banana. (not to mention Breitbart Chief/Donald Trump’s campaign CEO’s domestic abuse) Might pay to actually watch the speech:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/clinton-takes-aim-at-trumps-right-wing-connections/497576/
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August 26, 2016 4:49pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Oh okay maybe she can start talking about anime posters and pepe the frog next time. Mad.
  
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  August 26, 2016 6:04pm
nasska

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar. Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, “The media is really tearing you apart for That Scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to Hide my Activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything Else?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, Hiring Cronies, And taking bribes from foreign countries?
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without The Benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it Declared Bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding of neoNazis in the Ukraine that led to the toppling of the democratically elected president and to the biggest crisis that country has had since WWII ?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Being the mastermind of the so-called “Arab Spring” that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa ?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi and go to sleep?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Encouraging and supporting the murders of Palestinians and the destruction of their homes, towns and villages by Israel ?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 Months Later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens’ ?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware, when Bill left Office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
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August 26, 2016 5:12pm
- Scott Chris
  
  Oh I see Nasska you buy into that stuff. Wondered why you were a Trumpist.
  
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  August 26, 2016 5:34pm
  - Reid
    
    Don’t you get it Scott?
    
    If it’s not that shit, it’s this shit, or that shit, or that shit or, oh look, there’s some other shit over there but wait there’s more, yet more shit. I mean shit, this is the POTUS candidate we’re talking about. And yet some people still seriously support her over the other, who’s a blowhard, a braggert, with mob connections and probably a few more issues tucked away?
    
    That’s what’s so hard to figure. It ain’t rocket science, but many, especially politicos, are having a real hard time with stating the obvious and preferring Trump, who’s the least worse, always was, and it’s completely fucking obvious.
    
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    August 26, 2016 5:40pm
    - Scott Chris
      
      Reid if anyone knows about a bullshit generating machine you do. The thing is, the bullshit generated is bilateral and discrete, not unilateral. That’s why we’re currently as free as we’re ever going to be; so feel lucky.
      
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      August 26, 2016 6:36pm
  - nasska
    
    As I’ve stated before I’m not a Trumpist. Hell, I’m not even a Yank so I don’t have a vote to pledge for him or Clinton.
    
    But I still live in the same world as they do & Clinton is a headcase. If half of that list was true she shouldn’t be appointed crew leader at her local MacDonalds never mind entrusted as leader of the free world.
    
    So to set your mind at rest…..I don’t think much of Trump but Clinton is unhinged & dangerous.
    
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    August 26, 2016 5:50pm
    - Reid
      
      Clinton is unhinged & dangerous.
      
      It’s obvious isn’t it nasska.
      
      This is cognitive dissonance in action, that we’re witnessing here. The entire media corps, the entire cadre of politicos including DPF, politicians and their advisors, and lefties, all believe Clinton is not just viable but that she’s superior.
      
      I think the politicos and all those groups but lefties, think this because they’ve spent their entire lives in the practice or close observation of the political process and none of them can bring themselves to believe its become so corrupted in “the home of democracy” and in the richest, most powerful and strongest democracy at that.
      
      It’s like they’re ignoring what all the rest of us clearly see – she has no clothes.
      
      And why would they do that?
      
      Cognitive dissonance.
      
      You have an emotional investment in not thinking yourself a dummy and you’ll go a hell of a long way to avoid thinking that. And the non-lefty politicos who should be expected to see what we all do don’t, because of this. They’ve invested their whole careers in this, they can’t believe such a worthless creature has emerged from it, so it hasn’t, she’s NOT a worthless creature, she’s a highly experienced, highly capable, hard-working serious candidate for the most powerful position on Earth.
      
      Cognitive dissonance in action mate. It happens a lot, believe me, when you know what you’re looking for.
      
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      August 26, 2016 6:08pm
    - Scott Chris
      
      None of the list is true. There may be infringements pertaining to items on that list but as a whole, each part is mainly bullshit; stuff we’ve all done, probably to a greater extent albeit on a smaller scale.
      
      At least that’s the way I see it.
      
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      August 26, 2016 6:48pm
      - Reid
        
        Name another POTUS candidate in living memory with a list even half as long or disreputable. These are not minor crimes on the list, they’re high treason, on multiple counts.
        
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        August 26, 2016 7:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is a harrowing read about the violent rapes of two disabled women in Hamilton.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83608626/rapist-terrorises-disabled-women-in-their-own-home
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August 26, 2016 5:29pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Good for them, they can be very proud of themselves. How awful to be so helpless and so scared.
  
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  August 26, 2016 6:35pm
Reid

Just watching a new doco on netflix called Cartel Land about the Mexicans who live where the bastards operate. It occurs the whole issue could be easily solved by the Mexican going in and territory by territory just drive them all out and then stay around long enough to make it stick. And the US since this is why the Cartels are there in the first place could perhaps divert a bit of the missing 6.7 trillion the Pentagram announced it couldn’t find, to help.
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August 26, 2016 5:36pm
Reid

Russia is Soros’ white whale… a creature he has been trying to capture and kill-off for nearly a decade.

Leaked Memo Exposes George Soros’ Plan To Overthrow Putin & Destabilise Russia

http://369news.net/leaked-george-soros-plan-putin-russia/
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August 26, 2016 5:59pm
Inandout

Stephie’s lot I presume, they are so full of hatred.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/08/22/dfl-chair-says-trump-protesters-crossed-the-line/
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August 26, 2016 6:10pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83608626/rapist-terrorises-disabled-women-in-their-own-home

Surely the fault of ‘Colonialism?’
As we know from recent ‘Academic’ Studies -Maori are NEVER responsible for any of their revolting Crimes..
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August 26, 2016 6:13pm
- mikenmild
  
  Could you link to one of those studies, please?
  
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  August 26, 2016 6:17pm
Brigitte

When discussing the US POTUS candidates, I’m always reminded of Bertrand Russell:

“Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man, and our politicians take advantage of this prejudice by pretending to be even more stupid than nature made them.”
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August 26, 2016 6:19pm
- nasska
  
  …..”our politicians take advantage of this prejudice by pretending to be even more stupid than nature made them”….
  
  Give Andrew Little an Oscar! 🙂
  
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  August 26, 2016 6:23pm
- mikenmild
  
  It doesn’t pay to appear to be clever. Witness the widespread prejudice against teachers, who have the unforgivable habit of often knowing more than one’s parents.
  
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  August 26, 2016 6:28pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    Aren’t they paid to be clever but appear stupid? Or is it the other way around? Yeah neither, but the pattern fits for most of my teachers.
    
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    August 26, 2016 6:59pm
Longknives

Ha Ha you seriously believe that about Teachers Mikenmild?
In the old days they were educated and commanded respect- Nowdays most of them can’t spell, speak in ‘Txt Speak’, and a shitload only got into Teachers College on ‘Cultural Grounds’..
*Hence our kids being force-fed all the ‘Maori are perfect/Whitey are evil’ bullshit that is commonplace in our Schools these days
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August 26, 2016 6:36pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m pretty sure that most teachers are of above average intelligence. Stands to reasons that they would often know a bit more than the average parent. Parents often don’t like another source of authority correcting their story.
  
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  August 26, 2016 7:01pm
- Scott Chris
  
  In the old days they were educated and commanded respect- Nowdays most of them can’t spell,
  
  Yeah well the fucked up didn’t they. They were supposed to teach.
  
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  August 26, 2016 7:05pm
Manolo

Turkish love:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/26/turkey-bomb-blast-cizre-dead-explosion-police-headquarters

An explosion has hit a police checkpoint in the Turkish border town of Cizre, with reports of at least nine dead and 64 wounded in the latest in a spate of attacks in the country’s turbulent south-east.
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August 26, 2016 6:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@mikenmild

. Stands to reasons that they would often know a bit more than the average parent.

Here’s a list of things I know a lot less about than the average parent.
1. How to use facebook/snapchat
2. how to place a bet at the TAB
3. How to play lotto
4. How to look after a dog
5. How to bottle-feed a baby
6. How to clean a baby boy’s foreskin
7. The rules of rugby
8. Cricket
etc, etc……

Maggy W (Dip Tchng)
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August 26, 2016 7:13pm
- HB
  
  Most teachers are also parents. A lot are grandparents.
  People on here often talk about teachers like that is all they are.
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:09pm
CharlieBrown

At the risk of sounding racist, I have to say this story exemplifies what is wrong with the moari culture. After breaking into the home and raping two physically disabled ladies, this guy’s family continue to support him. He should have his nuts cut off and be forced to eat them, but this guy’s family still supports him, bloody animals. We hear of and see this all to often with moari families supporting their scumbag family members that do heinous acts. Instead they should be ashamed of being related to such filth. Basically, moari culture needs shame, it needs to be embarrassed of people like this, it needs to stop supporting scum. I can’t think of any successful culture that would stand by people like this. It’s hard to imagine a german, Swiss or japanese family yelling out “love u bro” as those rapist brother walks out to start his 5 year prison sentence.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83608626/Rapist-terrorises-disabled-women-in-their-own-home
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August 26, 2016 7:30pm
- Reid
  
  At the risk of sounding racist, I have to say this story exemplifies what is wrong with the moari culture. After breaking into the home and raping two physically disabled ladies, this guy’s family continue to support him. He should have his nuts cut off and be forced to eat them, but this guy’s family still supports him, bloody animals.
  
  What would you do if he was your father, brother, uncle, son or grandson?
  
  Basically, moari culture needs shame
  
  No it’s had enough of that. IMO it needs more wisdom and more pride. But the former before the latter.
  
  it needs to be embarrassed of people like this
  
  How do you know “it” isn’t?
  
  it needs to stop supporting scum.
  
  Why do you say “it” does?
  
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  August 26, 2016 7:44pm
  - CharlieBrown
    
    If it was my family I would be disgusted, I would disown them. So would any decent human being. Sympathising with filth like that makes you filth.
    
    Too many moari leaders blame everything else, warrior gene, poverty, colonialism, lack of government support, prison system for their woes… But they need to start looking within, they can and should be proud of achievements, but they should be ashamed of and stop supporting scum.
    
    Remember the kahuis and the sympathy old pita sharples shown them… This needs to stop if the culture wants to lift itself off the gutter of statistics.
    
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    August 26, 2016 7:58pm
    - Reid
      
      If it was my family I would be disgusted, I would disown them.
      
      Yes to the first no to the second.
      
      Too many moari leaders blame everything else, warrior gene, poverty, colonialism, lack of government support, prison system for their woes…
      
      I agree. They’re not very good leaders. Their biggest problem is they don’t lead by example and they practise nepotism. Generally speaking.
      
      But to allege they tolerate indeed foster shit like this isn’t true, is all I’m saying.
      
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      August 26, 2016 8:14pm
      - CharlieBrown
        
        But to allege they tolerate indeed foster shit like this isn’t true, is all I’m saying.
        
        I disagree, by standing by people like this they tacitly tolerate it, and that sort of behaviour certainly does foster it.
        
        Such support also devalues the whole family environment – as a parent, I understand unconditional love for my children, but not unconditional support, there needs to be a bottom line . When there isn’t, there is no fear of losing support, and obvious in so many cases there isn’t even a fair of shaming your family. That support has no real value.
        
        I believe the issue of moral support for criminals is also a problem with the prison system in general. Straight away, we see responsibility being denied at not guilty pleas on technicalities eg, claiming manslaughter when you deliberately kick someone in the head numerous times, the system is geared towards it. Judging by the details in the article, that maggot denied his crimes due to the fact the ladies had to give detailed testimony of the rapes. The fake claims of sorrow read out by lawyers show how little responsibility these buggers take. A real claim of sorrow and acceptance of responsibility would be pleading guilty and acknowledging you deserve a severe sentence. Parole hearings shouldn’t even be guaranteed, instead they should be rewarded based on behaviour, the heinousness of the crimes committed, progress in making yourself a better person and likelihood of reoffending. Basically, societal support needs to be earned after committing terrible or repeated crimes with victims.
        
        Cultural stigma works, that’s why single teenage pregnancy was far less common in my parents time where birth control was harder to get and teenagers more independent. The same goes for divorce. To be clear, I’m not saying our views on divorce are worse than it used to be or the way we used to handle teenage pregnancy was good, but you can’t deny that social stigma and family shame reduces instances of what is stigmatised.
        
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        August 26, 2016 10:22pm
VicParking

From the daily mail.
“Smail Ayad, who is accused of killing backpacker Mia Ayliffe-Chung at a Queensland hostel on Tuesday, had been trying to have sex with her after they started working at a sugar cane farm. The owner of the farm, who employs most of the backpackers staying at the hostel, said Ayad had been working with them for about a week and said he had been a ‘nice bloke’. Ayad, who was believed to have been obsessed with a UFC model bearing a striking resemblance to his alleged victim, was due to front court on Friday but did not appear due to safety concerns of police. He allegedly assaulted 12 officers he was being arrested.”
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August 26, 2016 7:41pm
- Inandout
  
  The Queensland police have sure gone soft; scared of one Musmad. If he was in shackles he wouldn’t be so violent.
  
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  August 26, 2016 8:13pm
  - Scott Chris
    
    Yes it’s really that simple inandout. Back in the good old days extenuating circumstance or circumstantial context meant nothing to the reality of the situation. But nowadays we’re all the wiser in spite of all that commie bullshit.
    
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    August 26, 2016 8:21pm
    - Inandout
      
      Assaulting 12 officers calls for ‘mad dog’ treatment.
      
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      August 26, 2016 8:29pm
      - Scott Chris
        
        Oh I see what you mean, the threshold for assault is that much weaker these days.
        
        Reminds me of a ‘Family Guy’ parody in which the respective combatants go in one at a time rather than 12 all at once like Bruce Lee movies. Maybe the Queensland cops are that bad these days.
        
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        August 26, 2016 8:44pm
William of Ockham

A ‘sick’ Clinton for president or a Trumpoon?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-alt-right-speech-white-supremacists-us-election-2016-a7210216.html
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August 26, 2016 9:02pm
- Scott Chris
  
  A ‘sick’ Clinton for president or a Trumpoon?
  
  Well a dog just got elected Mayor for Cormorant Minnesota for a third term so I guess it’s a question of less harm:
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/cutestuff/83500553/dog-elected-as-mayor-for-cormorant-minnesota-for-third-term
  
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  August 26, 2016 9:37pm
srylands

I miss the old Kiwiblog format 🙁

I thought this one was cool for about 10 minutes. Now I am being blinded by the white.

Also not convinced by nested comments. It is too hard to find the latest comments.
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August 26, 2016 10:24pm
- Scott Chris
  
  Now I am being blinded by the white.
  
  Would this be a bad time to bring up mis-heard lyrics? Pretty sure I heard this for 20 years:
  
  Blinded by the light, light up like a douche y’know a sharona in the night
  
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  August 26, 2016 10:51pm
Scott Chris

Probable repeat but you can use the reply function on Kblog now. It’s below the post so if a particularly charming individual such as me evokes the need in you to shower my good self with torrents of praise, well do feel free to use the reply button and maybe we can get it on?
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August 26, 2016 10:40pm
- William of Ockham
  
  Singing, “I’ve gotta lovely bunch of coconuts… “
  
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  August 26, 2016 11:19pm
William of Ockham

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/burkini-ban-nicolas-sarkozy-nationwide-law-against-muslim-swimwear-french-president-france-a7210991.html
Burkini ban: Sarkozy vows nationwide law against Muslim swimwear if elected as next French President

Simple. The French people have had enough.

The French will demand to to leave the EU soon.
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August 26, 2016 11:29pm
- Scott Chris
  
  The French will demand to to leave the EU soon.
  
  Yeah if being truly French makes you a bare majority or a traitorous rabble. Were you being sarcastic Ockham?
  
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