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Manolo

Aren’t Muslims “advanced” people?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/afghan-cleric-defends-marriage-to-six-year-old-girl-by-saying-she-was-religious-offering-to-him/ar-BBv4l6A?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

An Afghan cleric has defended his marriage to a six-year-old girl, saying she was a “religious offering” to him.

Mohammad Karim, who is believed to be in his sixties, was arrested after marrying the girl. He has told officials that he had been given the girl as a “religious offering” by her parents, Agence France-Presse reports.
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August 1, 2016 12:41pm
stephieboy

Manolo, aren’t Catholics advanced people ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-27/victoria-police-investigating-george-pell-over-abuse-complaints/7664674
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August 1, 2016 12:43pm
starboard

baahh..a six year old ! Gee stiffybot, what have you got to say about that? One of your lot thinks its ok to marry a 6 year old child !
Are you barking mad ! Sick, sick religion..and you stand up for it stiffybot ! Freak much.
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August 1, 2016 12:49pm
Fletch

ps, if one really wants to understand the Koran and Islam, you probably can’t do better than Dr Bill Warner’s books, including A Simple Koran, and An Abridged Koran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk
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August 1, 2016 12:50pm
Padriv Ustoev

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11685067

Another beat up.

I have some tips. How about Don’t spend $85 a WEEK on insurance? Who is she insured with?
Power and water at $80 a week?!!! How?!
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August 1, 2016 12:50pm
starboard

Shes fucking lucky we give her 600 bucks a week..600 bucks a week! Joke. Dont have kids if YOU cant afford them.
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August 1, 2016 12:54pm
Manolo

@stephieboy: Yes, as savage as YOUR lot.
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August 1, 2016 1:03pm
Manolo

Our Clinton fan-boy was seen licking his fingers:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/swimsuit-mural-hillary-clinton-creates-stir-australia-072457596.html

An Australian mural of US presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in a revealing, stars and stripes swimsuit may be taken down, after it has reportedly been deemed offensive.
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August 1, 2016 1:06pm
AgentBallSack

ABS, simply put 23 downticks do not represent the views of ordinary members of the public unless you show to the contrary

Well as its now 29 against and 4 for lets look at it statistically:

29 + 4 = 33

3 x 33 = 99 which we will call a percentage as it’s close to 100

3 x 29 = 87

Therefore 87% of the people who voted on your post thinks you’re talking bullshit.
And I have just shown you that 87% of the public who frequent KiwiBlog do not agree with your ramblings.

Quite easily shown to the contrary.
Try harder next time.
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August 1, 2016 1:07pm
Kimbo

@ Padriv Ustoev

Power and water at $80 a week?!!! How?!

In winter? Very easy. But power rates and consumption fall over the summer months. The $85 insurance/week sounds strange, though.
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August 1, 2016 1:11pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/82681977/maori-party-doesnt-back-helen-clark-for-united-nations-top-job

Looks like the murris are still dirty on Klarkula..have a look at the photo of Fox…look at the attitude on it…ppffttt
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August 1, 2016 1:15pm
Manolo

Will our resident Islamophile open his home’s door to one of this?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1531427/priest-in-belgium-stabbed-after-he-allowed-asylum-seeker-into-his-home-to-use-shower/

A priest in Belgium has been stabbed by a man claiming to be an asylum seeker he had allowed in to his home to use his shower, it has been reported.

Father Jos Vanderlee, 65, suffered injuries to his hands during the incident.
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August 1, 2016 1:16pm
stephieboy

Fletch,

Bill Warner aka Bill French’s Muslim hate mongering credentials come under scrutiny here ,

“Activists attacking Muslims and Islam are springing up around the country. But there’s a core group of 10 hard-liners”

BILL FRENCH ORGANIZATION Heads the for-profit Center for the Study of Political Islam in Nashville.

CREDENTIALS Former Tennessee State University physics professor; author of Sharia Law for Non-Muslims (2010; under the pen name Bill Warner).

SUMMARY French has no formal training or background in law, Islam or Shariah law — which in any case is not an established legal code, as the book title implies, but a fluid concept subject to a wide range of interpretations and applications. He garnered attention recently by leading the opposition to a proposed mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn.

IN HIS OWN WORDS “The two driving forces of our civilization are the Golden Rule and critical thought. … There is no Golden Rule in Islam. … There is not really even a Ten Commandments.”
—Quoted in The [Blount County, Tenn.] Daily Times, March 4, 2011

“This offends Allah. You offend Allah.”
— Quoted in The Tennesseean, Oct. 24, 2010, speaking to opponents of the Murfreesboro mosque while pointing to an American flag

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2011/anti-muslim-inner-circle

Hardly encouraging in terms of a scholarly and dispassionate approach to one of the Abrahamic religions !

ABS, unlike you I do not attempt to win approval or popularity contests. Again demonstrate how those 88 downticks represent the mainstream thinking of ordinary New Zealanders .More truthfully and accurately it, is in fact, largely a lunatic fringe including of course you.
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August 1, 2016 1:17pm
kowtow

“Could have fooled me the way the tykes go on and on about it”

We’re not tykes , we’re Taigs .
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August 1, 2016 1:18pm
kowtow

Ah filthy smearing of George Pell ……

Lying left wing media.

A Bolt is onto it , as always.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/column_the_abcs_week_of_shame/
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August 1, 2016 1:21pm
AgentBallSack

More truthfully and accurately it, is in fact, largely a lunatic fringe including of course you.

Ahahahaha and here I didnt think you could top your 10.01.
And your’re certainly not here because you are popular. On that we agree. Neither is your shilling for a child raping death cult.
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August 1, 2016 1:22pm
cha

A Bolt is onto it , as always.

Paywalled article no one can read is onto it?.
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August 1, 2016 1:26pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

We’re not tykes , we’re Taigs .

Not the way those who conquered your forebears pronounce it in all cases. But as it seems to be important to you, and in the interests of consistency I look forward to you revelling in the correct pronunciation of Maori, not Maree, and your advocacy for the preservation of the language.
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August 1, 2016 1:35pm
stephieboy

kowtow, will the News Corp’s ” leftwing ? ” Herald Sun report on the allegations made against Cardinal Pell suffice ?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria-police-investigating-cardinal-pell/news-story/09609ca949fdb490842fd72d73faf779
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August 1, 2016 1:43pm
Northland Wahine

As a working single mum I wanted to feel some affinity towards this mum supposedly feeding her kids on $81 a week.

So, I would be asking myself, why does my internet cost so much? Can I look at something cheaper. Is my mobile on pre pay? $20 a month.

The car repayments. Why so high? Late model car?… My sympathy is slowly evaporating…

Insurances? What’s the insurance for? Life? Car? Medical? House contents?

If you’re working all day, power should be less than $240 a month and water rates is excessive. Teach the kids about saving water and power.

Life’s tough. Use your money smarter.

End of rant.
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August 1, 2016 1:45pm
kowtow

“Not the way those who conquered your forebears pronounce it in all cases.”

How do the Normans pronounce it?
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August 1, 2016 1:45pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

“Not the way those who conquered your forebears pronounce it in all cases.”

How do the Normans pronounce it?

he he he. Uptick from me you cheeky Irish fellow..but Henry II was a Plantagenet, not a Norman. He was the first to turn up in Ireland claiming – and then enforcing – overlordship I seem to recall…
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August 1, 2016 1:54pm
sam green

This is interesting.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82627601/bloody-marvellous-john-campbell-and-morning-report-lead-rnz-to-a-ratings-resurgence
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August 1, 2016 2:13pm
kowtow

Norman non the less.

And Irish lords submitted to him in the feudal manner, all very legal according to the laws and customs of the time…….indeed like the massacre at Drogheda, according to the customs of war at the time.

The rest is mere detail.
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August 1, 2016 2:13pm
Manolo

The incompetent Obama’s legacy:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/07/29/seven-years-later-recovery-remains-the-weakest-of-the-post-world-war-ii-era/
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August 1, 2016 2:16pm
AgentBallSack

“….kowtow, will the News Corp’s ” leftwing ? ” Herald Sun report on the allegations made against Cardinal Pell suffice ?”

12,875 reasons to take your meds before you hit enter when posting on KiwiBlog
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August 1, 2016 2:21pm
Inandout

sam green 2.13: The leftards will be creaming their pants that Hosking has been overtaken, but honestly, how do they know who tunes in. If I listen to radio I station surf, but shit I wouldn’t tune into morning report for any reason. Campbell is known to have ‘Gloriavale’ (Campbellvale) types of followers, absolutely worshipping him.
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August 1, 2016 2:21pm
Manolo

An important state is up for grabs:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/31/donald-trump-can-win-pennsylvania-heres-why.html
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August 1, 2016 2:24pm
mikenmild

how do they know who tunes in

You are under surveillance 24/7. This is one of things they check on.
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August 1, 2016 2:25pm
AgentBallSack

Which is it?
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August 1, 2016 2:27pm
Inandout

This company does RNZ listener surveys:

http://www.gfk.com/

Leftards praise a multinational company.
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August 1, 2016 2:34pm
Longknives

“Another sycophantic article in the NZ Herald dated 31 July (apparently from a magazine called “Mindfood”) about Helen Clark’s candidacy..”

Did you see the Cover photo?? Sweet Jesus I am amazed I got past that newsstand without turning to Stone…
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August 1, 2016 2:35pm
stigie

Agree totally with your 1.45 rant NW, but imagine an unproductive family sitting at home all day watching TV, lights on, curtains drawn, possibly heaters or heat pump going flat out, the wastage of energy and money is mind boggling. The kids going to school hungry is because they haven’t a clue how to budget…..

This is all John Key’s fault you know..?
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August 1, 2016 2:41pm
sam green

You’re positively seething Inandout. Poor thing.
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August 1, 2016 2:41pm
Scott Chris

tom hunter (7,748 comments) says:
August 1st, 2016 at 11:16 am
Fascinating that Trump’s draft dodging of the Vietnam War is “inexcusable” in 2016 – whereas Bill Clinton’s draft dodging of the same war was held up an an example of moral strength in 1992, and hardly mentioned at all when up against a WWII veteran in 1996.

Why not just condemn both, or approve both or ignore both and … Oh right.

Double standards – again.

Well at least Clinton didn’t criticize John McCain for getting captured by the Vietcong.

Quoting Michael Bloomberg, the richest thing about Donald Chump is his hypocrisy.
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August 1, 2016 2:46pm
Rich Prick

How about Don’t spend $85 a WEEK on insurance?

I wondered about that too. For some one who doesn’t own the house and therefore doesn’t insure it, she’s spending $4,420 a year on contents and car insurance. She must be a really bad driver, or telling porkies. Given the poor form of most people reporting their hard luck stories to the media, I’d suggest the latter.
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August 1, 2016 2:53pm
cha

All the insults.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0
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August 1, 2016 3:09pm
rangitoto

Struggling to buy an Auckland property?. Move to France and buy a Chateau

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3717348/Should-snap-cut-price-chateau-couple-did-swapped-two-bed-East-London-47-rooms-private-forest-moat-swap-pokey-flat-18th-century-castle.html
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August 1, 2016 3:11pm
cha

@ABC7Mike @erinruberry @ArlingtonNatl Placing a rock on the headstone is a Jewish tradition, no? What a powerful ecumenical witness.— Julie Courtwright (@Jubbacca) July 31, 2016
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August 1, 2016 3:12pm
cha

Nikita Khruschev’s great-granddaughter –

Trump is a very useful fool for him [Putin]

https://youtu.be/0NX2yhO4z9s
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August 1, 2016 3:21pm
stephieboy

AgentBalls up , merely pointing to kowtow filthy hypocrisy criticising the left-wing ABC when the right tard tabloid Jerald Sun carried the same story about Cardinal Pell allegations and young boys .

cha, thank you for that earlier item about Trump’s rather overt effeminate gestures . Something is not quite right with the guy or is it closeted gay ?
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August 1, 2016 3:27pm
cha

Dude, read the description – it’s a pisstake with Trumps own words dubbed.
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August 1, 2016 3:34pm
Manolo

The Spectator opines on Muslim immigration: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/muslim-immigration/

The outrage over the on-air comments of Channel Nine’s Sonia Kruger, in which she called for an end to Muslim immigration to Australia and was thus roundly condemned as ‘racist’, a ‘bigot’ and far worse, naturally misses the point.

Ms Kruger’s comments had little to do with race or religion, or even culture, but everything to do with ‘feeling safe’. Over the last year in particular, Islamist terrorists have managed to achieve what was once unthinkable: a never ending parade of ghoulish horrors in which everyday families and citizens engaging in fun, harmless, and apolitical activities find themselves butchered in the most brutal and savage means possible.
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August 1, 2016 3:51pm
cha

heh

The constitution emerged as a bestseller days after the Muslim-American lawyer Khizr Khan, whose son was killed while serving in Iraq, flashed a pocket constitution and offered to lend it to the Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump, during a speech at the Democratic national convention.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jul/31/us-constitution-amazon-bestseller-muslim-american-khizr-khan-donald-trump
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August 1, 2016 3:54pm
kowtow

“Pope Francis has said it was wrong to identify Islam with violence and that social injustice and idolatry of money were among the prime causes of terrorism.”

Twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/01/pope-francis-says-it-not-right-to-identify-islam-with-violence
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August 1, 2016 3:59pm
Manolo

Bolt’s book should be a good read: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/australian-books-6/

It is a measure of Andrew Bolt’s ignominy that it takes a certain courage simply to walk into Dymock’s and buy a copy of his book. Will the bookseller sneer? Will one’s reputation be tarnished by the purchase?
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August 1, 2016 4:00pm
Manolo

@kowtow: The seller of smoke sitting in Rome will deny the vileness of Islam until the day the savages enter the Vatican. Useful idiot.
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August 1, 2016 4:02pm
cha

If you have the stomach –

THE ENDANGERED GRAYZONE

The grayzone is critically endangered, rather on the brink of extinction. Its endangerment began with the blessed operations of September 11th, as these operations manifested two camps before the world for mankind to choose between, a camp of Islam – without the body of Khilāfah to represent it at the time – and a camp of kufr – the crusader coalition. Or as Shaykh Usāmah Ibn Lādin (rahimahullāh) said, “The world today is divided into two camps. Bush spoke the truth when he said, ‘Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.’ Meaning, either you are with the crusade or you are with Islam”

http://archive.is/VE0jj
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August 1, 2016 4:07pm
Captain Mainwaring

Hardly surprising:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82691981/fairfax-writes-down-newspaper-assets-by-nearly-1-billion

I’m pleased to say that I’ve helped with this decision by ceasing to purchase the Dumb-Post and SST.
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August 1, 2016 4:20pm
Scott Chris

Just a reminder to our resident retarded Trump backers, Draft Dodging Don had this to say about John McCain:

I like people who weren’t captured

Here’s a list of John McCain’s Vietnam War valor awards:

http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=23680

Here’s a list of Donald Trump’s Vietnam War valor awards:
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August 1, 2016 4:25pm
kowtow

Manolo

Frankie has gone well beyond ‘useful idiot’ to all out Islamoactivism, and far too many of his bishops likewise.

Meanwhile the people he says aren’t violent, massacre and oppress his “flock” and everyone else around them who aren’t of the same sect.

Unbelievable.
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August 1, 2016 4:31pm
Fletch

Paywalled article no one can read is onto it?.

To the second report — the vilification of George Pell.

The ABC’s allegations, furiously denied by Pell, boil down to two.

First, one man, Les Tyack, claimed he’d found Pell in a changing room in Torquay more than 30 years ago towelling himself for a suspiciously long time while naked in front of boys.

Second, Pell, then a popular young priest involved in education, allegedly fondled the penis and anus of at least two boys when horsing around in a pool more than 30 years ago, throwing hordes of children off his shoulders.

The first allegation is plainly a ridiculous basis for smearing Pell more than three decades later.

Can Tyack be sure it was Pell, who was not a Torquay priest? Can he know what was in Pell’s mind when towelling himself?

As for the second allegation, the ABC did concede that its main two witnesses both had police records. But it omitted more information that goes to the credibility of one, former drug addict Lyndon Mark Monument.

Monument also had a history of psychiatric illness and had been admitted to a psychiatric institution soon after being charged with numerous offences for which he served jail.

Nor did the ABC’s 7.30 interview any witnesses in Pell’s defence, including the wife of the then pool manager, who’d told police she’d never seen him do anything that raised her concerns.

Not surprisingly, this case against Pell is so thin that Victoria’s Director of Public Prosecutions reportedly returned the file to the police.

After a year of digging, police have still not asked to question Pell.

No, he’s just smeared instead by the ABC.

Let me draw a contrast. When Labor leader Bill Shorten was accused of rape by a woman three decades after the alleged event, how did the ABC respond?

It refused to name Shorten until the police concluded their investigation and ruled there was no evidence to prosecute.

So did I. I did not think it fair to smear Shorten over allegations so old, so strongly denied, and so damaging.

So why has the ABC treated Pell differently?

Now, I am not calling Pell’s accusers liars. Absolutely not. I can’t know the facts.

But I do know others have made claims against Pell — and to the royal commission into child sex abuse — to suggest he’d ignored warnings of abuse by other priests.

Those accusers were also relying on their memory of events of more than 30 years ago — but their memories proved false.

One claimed he’d left his school to knock on the door of Pell’s presbytery nearby to warn that his brother was being abused, and Pell had just chased him away. But it turned out Pell didn’t live at that presbytery. Moreover, at that time of day he’d normally have been at work at the theological college he headed.

Another Ballarat witness claimed he’d told Pell in 1969 he’d just been raped by a priest, but Pell last year produced his passport to show he’d spent 1969 in Europe, studying and working.

A third witness claimed he’d heard Pell tell a second priest at a memorial mass in Ballarat that paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale was “rooting” boys.

But church records showed no such mass took place then, and the second priest said his own parish was hours away so he would not have even served at a mass in Ballarat, anyway.

You see, memories over 30 years change. They get coloured and, after decades of media vilification of Pell, I’m not surprised he’s become the monster of some people’s shaky memories — especially the memories of people searching for scapegoats for their troubled lives.

Bad memory is excusable.

But how the ABC abused its massive state power can never be excused.
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August 1, 2016 4:31pm
mikenmild

Cardinal Pell. Famous for this charming analogy to explain the church’s responsibilities:

“If a truck driver picks up some lady and then molests her, I don’t think it’s appropriate, because it is contrary to the policy, for the ownership, the leadership of that company to be held responsible.”
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August 1, 2016 4:42pm
tom hunter

Scott Chris (7,984 comments) says:
August 1st, 2016 at 2:46 pm
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Well at least Clinton didn’t criticize John McCain for getting captured by the Vietcong.

True. But one might as well say that Bill never looked a grieving mother in the eye and lied to her face about who was responsible for her son’s death.

Still, it’s good to see interest in the the US Constitution all of a sudden. Hopefully that also means the Bill of Rights. Hillary supporters might draw some conclusions about how niether helped that pitiful little videomaker in California, the one Hillary blamed and said “we’d” get. If he’d pissed on a Cross he’d have been safe.

Quoting Michael Bloomberg, the richest thing about Donald Chump is his hypocrisy.

Also true – though Hillary and the Democrats are in no position to talk about that.

Fuck me. Have there ever been two worse candidates for POTUS.
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August 1, 2016 4:42pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

Have there ever been two worse candidates for POTUS.

Um, I’ll have a go at that (rhetotrical question): 1856 when there there actually three stinkers – James Buchanan vs John C. Frémont vs Millard Fillmore

Two of the worst presidents of all time, and the other who had been preciously “convicted in court martial for mutiny and insubordination”.

Historians portray Frémont as controversial, impetuous, and contradictory. Some scholars regard him as a military hero of significant accomplishment, while others view him as a failure who repeatedly defeated his own best purposes. The keys to Frémont’s character and personality may lie in his being born illegitimately, his ambitious drive for success, self-justification, and passive-aggressive behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Fr%C3%A9mont
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August 1, 2016 4:48pm
tom hunter

@Kimbo
Yah – was thinking of them as I wrote that. I guess I am overstating the hideousness of the current crop.

But still.
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August 1, 2016 4:51pm
Kimbo

Yah – was thinking of them as I wrote that. I guess I am overstating the hideousness of the current crop.

But still.

Don’t be so sure. The policies of James Buchanan, the winner of the 1856 election almost guaranteed the American Civil War at the end of his term, just as his immediate predecessors Filmore and Franklin Pierce helped set it up. Who knows where either Hillary or the Donald will lead the USA by January 20 2021!

One will be (failed) business as usual, and who has any idea where the other would go!
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August 1, 2016 4:55pm
tom hunter

Well, another Civil War seems unlikely – but I can’t see these two “healers” doing any good, although I think Hillary won’t take as many personal, petty shots at the GOP as Obama has. With any luck there’ll be no more comparisons of the GOP to hostage-holding ISIS or to Iranian hardliners.

Still, when you’ve got none other than FDR banging that drum….

Indeed, if such reaction should develop—if history were to repeat itself and we were to return to the so-called “normalcy” of the 1920’s—then it is certain that even though we shall have conquered our enemies on the battlefields abroad, we shall have yielded to the spirit of Fascism here at home.

Nice! And in the State of the Union address in 1944 no less. Prick.
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August 1, 2016 5:17pm
Chuck Bird

I believe I did very well in may CoA appearance by video link. I got the distinct impression they were not impressed with this former rogue lawyer who is now an adjudicated bankrupt. The decision is reserved but I am very confident.

I wonder what it would cost me to be represented in Court and would the result have been any different. I doubt it.
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August 1, 2016 5:23pm
Scott Chris

Honestly Tom, I don’t understand why you hate Hillary so much. Really I don’t. Is it simply a question of the innuendo that’s been dug up in the current information age?

I think she’ll make a fine president and relative to many of her predecessors she may turn out to be the best.

edit: and no Tom, Trumpists and Hillary supporters are not in the same delusional ballpark.
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August 1, 2016 5:24pm
tom hunter

Scott Chris (7,989 comments) says:
August 1st, 2016 at 5:24 pm
Honestly Tom, I don’t understand why you hate Hillary so much. Really I don’t. Is it simply a question of the innuendo that’s been dug up in the current information age?

Loath would be a more accurate term. Hate’s a very personal thing and I’ve never met the woman.

As far as “innuendo” is concerned, I’m making my judgement based not on what I saw of her in the 1990’s as First Lady – although the HillaryCare debacle was an accurate guide to the future – but on what I’ve seen of her since as a Senator and then SecState. But I see little point in going into it based on what you say next…

I think she’ll make a fine president and relative to many of her predecessors she may turn out to be the best.

That’s a level of approval – I’m tempted to say worship – that makes this not even worth pursuing as a debate.
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August 1, 2016 5:33pm
Lucia Maria

Tom,

I have rarely been so angry. If ever there was a person who you would think had some understanding of good and evil and the choices we make between them, it would be a priest – an expert in theology.

Instead I got the sort of mumbling, soporific, non-judgemental shite I could have heard in any Sociology 101 class in the West. I wanted to stand up and shout that Hitler only went “insane” in his last days, and that before that he had made rational choices to do great evil – as had the Islamist pricks at Bataclan.

I just found this comment of yours – I hadn’t seen it earlier.

My experience with NZ Catholic priests is that most are a disappointment. Some are just what you’d expect, but this is a small number. An equally small number are completely off the planet, of the type that if you mention them to other priests, they give you a pained look. And then there’s the rare ones that I could listen to for hours, and have on retreats. Though this particular priest I’m thinking of wasn’t a NZ priest as such. Sadly, he’s no longer here. NZ was too hot for him – probably annoyed the local bishop too many time so that he made sure he needed to leave.

Honestly, if the Catholic Church wasn’t divinely inspired, it would have fallen apart everywhere a long time ago.
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August 1, 2016 5:36pm
Scott Chris

Well it was nuanced to possibly declare that Hillary would be the finest female president ever but never mind. I don’t really think that anyway.
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August 1, 2016 5:37pm
Viking2

Helen and the Fox.

The Maori Party doesn’t support former Prime Minister Helen Clark’s nomination for the top job at the United Nations.

In the same week Clark awaits the results of a second straw poll to assess her chances of getting the Secretary-General role, Maori Party co-leader Marama Fox said her party “unequivocally do not support” her bid.

That position won’t change but Clark could go some way to fixing her relationship with Maori by apologising for her “mistakes of the past,” Fox said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/82681977/maori-party-doesnt-back-helen-clark-for-united-nations-top-job?cid=facebook.post.82681977

HOHOHO
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August 1, 2016 5:54pm
Inandout

sam green/stephie 2.41: I don’t seethe over radio listeners because I can’t recall anyone that I know admitting to tuning into Campbell. Music stations maybe, but not Red Radio.
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August 1, 2016 6:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Breaking news. TV3/Newshub has decided that NZ is likely to be on a list of ‘tax havens’ declared by the EU and due to be hit with sanctions that will damage the economy.
They are creaming their jeans with excitement.
Key on holiday, English in Australia, acting acting PM Brownlee has deflected it to Woodhouse, more coming on Story at 7.
With a bit of luck it will blow over into another non-event and own-goal by the lefty journos.
If NZ is defined by the EU as a tax haven, there won’t be many countries they can trade with.
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August 1, 2016 6:13pm
Reid

Quite a good Escobar article on why China is in the South China Sea – concept of mobile national sovereignty to secure the supply chain.

Which of course brings her up against the central mission of the US Navy: to secure the supply chain.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/07/31/what-drill-baby-drill-means-south-china-sea.html
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August 1, 2016 6:14pm
Reid

With a bit of luck it will blow over into another non-event and own-goal by the lefty journos.

Aren’t they complete fools. Why didn’t Brownlee take it himself I wonder. Woodhouse is sure to fuck it up. I might even watch it, for the first time in a decade or so.
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August 1, 2016 6:18pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

I see lots of commentators wanting to ban foreign (ie Chinese) investment in NZ housing. What they seem short on is understanding of just how chinese culture works. Cheating the system is like breathing for them, chinese have been working to hide income and assets from their rulers for millennia, it is standard for chinese to work out deals between themselves to avoid tax and other govt imposed problems and almost all chinese will find it very easy to figure out ways to do it off the books using NZ resident/citizen chinese as their proxies.

Any attempt to selectively target them as an investor class are doomed to failure.
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August 1, 2016 6:23pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

Still, when you’ve got none other than FDR banging that drum….

Indeed, if such reaction should develop—if history were to repeat itself and we were to return to the so-called “normalcy” of the 1920’s—then it is certain that even though we shall have conquered our enemies on the battlefields abroad, we shall have yielded to the spirit of Fascism here at home.

Nice! And in the State of the Union address in 1944 no less. Prick.

Yeah, but Churchill compared Clement Attlee to the Gestapo during the 1945 UK campaign. Bottom line: politicians of every hue talk bullshit about their opponents.
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August 1, 2016 6:25pm
Fletch

As far as Hillary goes, I don’t think it would be a stretch to say that she is the most corrupt politician in America.
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August 1, 2016 6:26pm
Scott Chris

Tom Hunter seems to think that Hillary Clinton is as ridiculous a candidate for POTUS as Donald Trump.

That is the state of Tom Hunter’s delusion.
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August 1, 2016 6:31pm
lilman

Hey Stephie this will get Mohamed pulling his pudding a good friend who works in a local freezing works ,he is a born again christian,gone nuts on the stuff.
He is a forklift driver and when ever he loads out product that has Muslim certification he blesses each pallet load in the name of Jesus Christ.

Love that pork ,bacon and drones.
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August 1, 2016 6:43pm
Scott Chris

Kimbo (6,786 comments) says:
August 1st, 2016 at 6:25 pm

Yeah, but Churchill compared Clement Attlee to the Gestapo during the 1945 UK campaign. Bottom line: politicians of every hue talk bullshit about their opponents.

It’s difficult to gauge the collective mindset of immediate post war Britain but it’s hard to imagine that that comment would have fared well in the contemporaneous political maelstrom. Maybe that’s why Churchill lost that election.
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August 1, 2016 6:44pm
Reid

It is no coincidence that the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions coincided with a period of active lobbying by Washington of its trade agreement with the EU (TTIP) which clearly plays into the hands of the US geopolitical interests, as an EU alliance with Russia would be disastrous to it, according to a German financial expert.

“The US is really worried that the EU will team up with Russia and China. That would be an apocalyptic scenario for Washington, thus it is doing its best to isolate Russia and China on the world market as much as possible. Don’t forget that Europe to a large extent is dependent on Russian oil and gas, and the US financial system doesn’t like that,” journalist and financial expert Ernst Wolff said in an interview with Sputnik Deutschland…

It’s not so much an alliance with the EU as an alliance with Germany. Sure, the EU is the US’ pet project is why Obama was so forthright over Brexit e.g. But Germany is the Jewel and a German-Russian alliance is something Britain worked very hard to prevent in her day of Empire. With Russia’s resource base and German engineering they would be unbeatable. Combine that with Chinese financial resources and you have the new century. It won’t happen under Merkel of course but she’s only temporary, and the longer Putin stays around, the more chance he gets to emplace people to carry on what he started.

http://sputniknews.com/business/20160730/1043780772/europe-russia-us-sanctions.html
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August 1, 2016 6:55pm
Lucia Maria

How our daily coffee ritual is hurting the environment

Unbelievable.

Every day I buy some packet of meat for dinner that is generally on a tray and is wrapped in plastic. I throw that plastic and the tray out, because there is no way I am washing a tray to put into the recycling. Me and other dinner makers out there are hurting the environment too, but there’s no way there’s going to be an article about how our daily meat habit is hurting the environment.

Speaking of which, I need to be getting that packet of meat out soon. Marinated teriyaki steak tonight.
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August 1, 2016 6:55pm
Kimbo

@ Scott Chris

It’s difficult to gauge the collective mindset of immediate post war Britain but it’s hard to imagine that that comment would have fared well in the political maelstrom. Maybe that’s why Churchill lost that election.

Yes, it was judged to be a significant factor, especially as Attlee and also Ernest Bevin, the two architects of the post World War II British welfare state, had been in Churchill’s coalition war cabinet for 5 years, and it was Labour more than anyone who had pushed for Churchill to replace Chamberlain in the dark days of May 1940.

But Churchill’s ridiculously out-of-place rhetoric didn’t account for the huge 11% swing to Labour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1945

The decisive factor was that while Churchill was undoubtedly the right leader during war, there was little to commend him as a man during peace. Indeed a year later he was (rightly) declaring the Cold War on. But no one but a few blimps gave a stuff about keeping India, and unlike the undelivered promise at the end of World War I, the public didn’t think Churchill had what it took to make Britain a “land fit for heroes”. The spectre of the unemployment of the 1930s counted against the Conservatives. And within a decade Tory PM Harold Macmillian was embracing Labour’s policies and Keynesian pump-priming, thus creating the “post-war consensus” in much the same way National in New Zealand did the same from 1949…until Margaret Thatcher and Roger Douglas set about it with a wrecking ball.
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August 1, 2016 6:57pm
tom hunter

Scott Chris (7,991 comments) says:
August 1st, 2016 at 6:31 pm
Tom Hunter seems to think that Hillary Clinton is as ridiculous a candidate for POTUS as Donald Trump

Ridiculous is not the right word. Let me put it this way.

Donald Trump would be ridiculous as POTUS.

Hillary would merely be incompetent. However, the existing institutions, including all the infrastructure that surrounds a President, would likely keep her from fucking up too badly (same applies to Trump, though he ais supporters don’t know that yet).

And paradoxically her corruption and lack of ideology – yes, I think it got burned out of her long ago – would mean that she’s more amenable to compromise than Obama has been. Although if that pressure comes unseen from Vlad the Impaler it could be a real problem.

So we righties have to suck up a shitty Supreme Court for twenty years, but it’s all good stuff to react against: might teach people a lesson regarding power and purity. Four more years of Obama economic and foreign policy should just about see those ideas destroyed.
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August 1, 2016 7:03pm
Viking2

Sewage tests in Western Australia have revealed the state’s citizens are using about two tonnes of methamphetamine each year with a street value of $2 billion.

Raw samples from three Perth treatment facilities were sent to the University of South Australia for analysis.

The initial 12-month samples revealed 31.6 kilograms of methamphetamine was consumed in the metropolitan area each week, or 1.6 tonnes annually.

The research was extended to Bunbury in January 2015. The area recorded the highest rate of all catchment areas recorded, with an average of 558 doses each week per 1,000 people, ABC News reported.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11685328
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August 1, 2016 7:11pm
mikenmild

So we righties have to suck up a shitty Supreme Court for twenty years

Quick Senators. There’s still time to confirm Garland before Clinton appoints a liberal justice.
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August 1, 2016 7:11pm
Andrei

It is obvious Tom Hunter that the USA has jumped the fucking shark
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August 1, 2016 7:12pm
rightoverlabour

Yesterday I posted abouthe Christchurch Police incident and was taken to task by some readers. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, I’d like to copy two comments from WO on this incident. I have not asked permision and apologise in advance to the writer if he or she is offended. The writer is ex police. Quotes below

I’m sorry responded to what exactly???? A guy walking down the road carrying a case that ‘looks like it could have a gun inside it’ yea so could a cardboard box or a blanket! Was this guy menacing anyone or being reckless and pointing a gun at anyone…no he wasn’t he was simply walking down the street. I drive around with my shotguns in my car all the time when hunting and also carry them into the gun shop for whatever the reason and that may include a walk from car to shop depending on parking. At best the Police should have simply stopped and asked the question and if he felt inclined to answer the fact that he had a firearm in the case then produce his firearms license. From the info in the story the Police had no cause to do what they did or demand he identify what was in the case without reasonable grounds to suspect an offence has been committed. I back this up as an ex-Cop, I would have been crucified by the bosses if I had done this in the 90’s.

and by the same person again.

So you are comfortable with Police presenting firearms in a busy street at a guy who has broken no laws and was simply carrying a case, not a gun, and going about his business, so what if it has a firearm in it, he did nothing wrong and should be allowed to go on his way. As far as I am concerned there was no justification for the Police actions as per that story. Their actions could have had some huge consequences if that guy had made a move or gesture that the Police misinterpreted, the firearm after all was inside a case not being pointed at anyone. By your comment it sounds like you would be quite happy to have Police checkpoints on every corner….just in case…..along with unlawful search and detention……no thanks
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August 1, 2016 7:17pm
Lucia Maria

Tom,

It doesn’t sound like Clinton will be quite the pushover that Obama has been, according to this article and a couple of others like it that I’ve read – Why Putin hates Hillary

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton’s December 2011 condemnation of Russia’s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of “regime change” policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.
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August 1, 2016 7:22pm
Andrei

Russia is far more democratic than the USA, Lucia Maria, even though the USA spends millions of dollars every year trying to subvert it
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August 1, 2016 7:24pm
mikenmild

Now you’re just making me laugh, Andrei.
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August 1, 2016 7:28pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

Russia is far more democratic than the USA, Lucia Maria, even though the USA spends millions of dollars every year trying to subvert it

I find that impossible to believe. Especially since we have the Trump phenomenon. That proves democracy, the worst form of government but better than any other, is alive and well in the US.
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August 1, 2016 7:31pm
Scott Chris

Hi Kimbo, thanks for subtly updating my understanding of the word ‘contemporaneous’ amongst other interesting historical facts. 🙂
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August 1, 2016 7:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Lucia Maria

our daily meat habit is hurting the environment.

It’s hard being a domestic goddess nowadays…. ethics and haute cuisine is so exhausting at this time of the day.
Anyway, I thought this might help if you need a few pointers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbtRiLamsw
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August 1, 2016 7:34pm
Lucia Maria

Maggy,

Arrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!

It was the bicycle and that smile, it was too much!!
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August 1, 2016 7:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Lucia Maria

You cannot have watched the entire video in 2 minutes!!!!
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August 1, 2016 7:38pm
Andrei

Lucia Maria all the politicians in the USA are owned by big business

Its a closed shop driven by cronyism

The only reason Trump is where he is is because he has money of his own and that the media who are in the tank for the Harridan gave him all the oxygen during the Republican primaries at the expense of the other Republican contenders (not that any of them were worth much)
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August 1, 2016 7:39pm
Lucia Maria

Maggy,

Yeah I stopped a few seconds in. I knew it would be bad. With my meat frying in the background, it looked very much like I’d be regaled with the benefits of vegetarianism. It had that sort of vibe. 🙂 Besides, I know you are seriously not trying to convert me.
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August 1, 2016 7:41pm
Andrei

“

Some people use pressure cookers for bombs but today we are going to use it for cooking

”

Damn you Maggy I sprayed coffee all over my monitor
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August 1, 2016 7:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Andrei

well, at least you didn’t pee your pants..
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August 1, 2016 7:51pm
nasska

tom hunter @ 7.03pm comments:

….”Hillary would merely be incompetent. However, the existing institutions, including all the infrastructure that surrounds a President, would likely keep her from fucking up too badly (same applies to Trump, though he ais supporters don’t know that yet).”…..

Once again the free world may be saved by the inertia of incompetent & rampant bureaucracy.
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August 1, 2016 7:54pm
Reid

The only reason Trump is where he is is because…

…his use of confirmation bias is legendary.

He’s been trained Andrei. You don’t pick up that skill by accident. He’s as brilliant at that as Hitler was at oratory.
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August 1, 2016 7:54pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder what it would cost me to be represented in Court and would the result have been any different. I doubt it.

I wonder if it was a lawyer(s) who gave me a down tick for being a scab and taking way some income
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August 1, 2016 7:58pm
Lucia Maria

Maggy,

Now that I’ve made dinner and am eating my meat, I’m watching the video you linked to. At 2 minutes in, both hubby and I are enjoying it. Just had to stop and comment, and now will get back to it.
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August 1, 2016 8:00pm
Scott

Trump is awesome and will make a great president. He is the only candidate who will take on immigration, he is the only candidate that is not driven by elite donors, he is the only candidate who takes on political correctness, beat the hell out of Isis and give the mainstream media a much needed thumping.
He is going to be hard to stop come November and he’ll make the next presidential term the most interesting in years. Also he will nominate decent supreme Court judges. And he understands economic growth and is committed to getting the US economy moving again.

Hillary by contrast will do the exact opposite of all of the above.
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August 1, 2016 8:01pm
Scott Chris

Andrei (4,530 comments) says:
August 1st, 2016 at 7:47 pm

Some people use pressure cookers for bombs but today we are going to use it for cooking

Damn you Maggy I sprayed coffee all over my monitor

Crikey Andrei I’m starting to see the special interest aspect of your attraction to Russian websites.
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