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Griff

538
Chance of winning
Hillary Clinton 88.8%
Donald Trump 11.1%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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August 15, 2016 8:03am
Happychappy

A successful start for Mou and Man U in the Premier League could be the best EPL yet
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August 15, 2016 8:04am
Happychappy

So Andrew Little not only wants to be the Prime Minister he all thinks he can be the dictator of the Pacific
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August 15, 2016 8:06am
G152

So wacky baccy is going legit.
Great.
More police released to actually solve real crimes.
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August 15, 2016 8:06am
VicParking

What about Liverpool? Thrashed the Arsenal. Makes my lilly white heart glow.
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August 15, 2016 8:07am
Elaycee

So….. another report surfaces slamming the proposal to extend the Wellington runway…

Despite this being penned by someone at the ‘Hoorald’, the key point is succinct:

The airport company is owned 66 per cent by Infratil, the NZX-listed infrastructure company, and 33 per cent by Wellington City Council. It is seeking the majority of the $350m cost of a runway extension from central Government and Wellington ratepayers because it argues the benefits would accrue more to the country and the region rather than the airport owner, which cannot justify the expansion on purely commercial grounds.

Whaaat? The airport wants to increase the value of its asset but the numbers don’t stack up. So they say: ‘Lets get the Gummint and the local ratepayers to pay for it’ – meaning…. what isn’t commercially viable for WIAL is somehow a huge benefit for the country and others should pay???

What bollocks. WIAL needs a reality check.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11693748
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August 15, 2016 8:11am
kowtow

“More police released to actually solve real crimes.”

Exceeding the speed limit by 1 -4 kph?

Opposing liquor licences?
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August 15, 2016 8:11am
Happychappy

Why does The Nation on the Hub get Tax Payer funding when the show is all about Lisa Owen and how many guests that she can shout over,why have candidates’s on a question about what you would do if elected to become Mayor when the interview gives the answer first
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August 15, 2016 8:14am
cmm

Yesterday Radio NZ had a Moari academic blaming Maori domestic violence on colonialism. Here’s the rationale:

Before colonialism, Maori relationships were all about love and were on a basis of equality between men and women.

Then Evil Honkies came and inflicted their form on marriage on Maoris. This views women as chattels of the men.

That made men feel they were entitled to do anything they wanted with the women including abuse them and put in the bash.

If that’s the level of logic being poured into the kids of today we’re screwed.

The reality was quite different. According to http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/marriage-and-partnering/page-1

“After armed conflict, for example, the victorious hapū or iwi often absorbed, through inter-marriage, those they defeated.”

That sounds so loving and caring. These poor women from a defeated tribe need care, so lets lovingly open our arms to them.

Let me translate into reality: Armed raiders attacked other tribes, killing the men and dragging off the women and kids for sex and slavery.
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August 15, 2016 8:15am
oldpark

Only in NZ. Last few days some imports from a certain country have appeared in court. A couple of cases in point. A rapist found guilty ,and an electoral fraud crook ,both found guilty. Also another import from same certain country ,charged with sexual assault, only because the Police person failed to make a proven charge of rape, appears they were too inexperienced to charge the rapist,and took the easy way out.. That offender gets home detention. All three mentioned imports,in any othe country would be automatic deportation. Yet a different ethnic group ,from another country, daily get their visas cancelled,most of them ,would never have been inside a court-room. They are the honest imports,who adhere to the laws of NZ, yet are told to leave after their visas have expired,with no extensions. Seems imports from certain countries ,when they appear in court ,are treated with kid gloves,as if they were the victims,and not the criminals.Our so called Judiciary needs an overhaul ,as we are now becoming the laughing stock of the world, as convicted criminals in NZ appear to have more legal rights than the victims.
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August 15, 2016 8:17am
kowtow

The European diversity dividend,

“Bradford Council was ordered to improve services at its Wagtail Close home for disabled people after inspectors said care workers restricted patients’ right of choice and denied their personal dietary preferences.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/653122/Muslim-staff-Bradford-bacon-pork-care-home

“Riot police were summoned and a man was injured by a harpoon when a mass brawl broke out on a beach in Corsica, apparently triggered by a tourist taking a photo of women in “burkinis”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/14/man-injured-by-harpoon-during-riot-on-corsica-beach-after-touris/

It’s great, Europe was so boring without that “diversity”
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August 15, 2016 8:18am
rightoverlabour

Try and find this on Stuff?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/14/megauploads-kim-dotcom-seeks-to-retain-millions-in-assets
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August 15, 2016 8:19am
Griff

Opposing liquor licences?

Quite funny kowtow .
If we had a legal cannabis market we would see less crime from pissed losers and their drunken stupidity’s.
So less reason for police to oppose the retail licensing for your drug of choice.
A room full of drunks is a brawl waiting for a spark.
A room full of pot heads is only at risk for assault on junk food .
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August 15, 2016 8:20am
straya

Morning Trumpkins!

CBS battlegrounds polls released today –

FL: Clinton 45, Trump 40
NH: Clinton 45, Trump 36
GA: Trump 45, Clinton 41

Are you sick of the winning yet?
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August 15, 2016 8:24am
Padriv Ustoev

I just came back from spear fishing in Corsica.

You will never believe me what happened. Lucky I had travel insurance. Lost a spear gun an a flipper. All I was doing was some taking some pictures of my catch with what I thought were some European locals in the background. Unfortunately in Europe it is frowned upon to take photos of women in Berqua on the beach. Some young men got aggressive towards me.

Personally I think women on the beach a Haram and beach should be segregated to avoid any misunderstandings. Cut a long story short. Some more of the locals got involved to try help me out against the young men, and it got out of hand very quickly.

Forget this for a game of dominoes, I’m staying in NZ where you can at least take photos.
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August 15, 2016 8:32am
straya

The New York Times published this piece yesterday on the chaos inside the campaign –

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-gop.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Of course the Donald has responded with a Twitter storm of rants about how unfair the media is. He simply can’t control his emotions when something gets under his skin. I’m sure he’d make a great commander in chief.

If he actually spent as much effort on his ground game as he did on whining, things might not be so bad for him.

Speaking of ground game, have a read of this if you want to get an idea of how far behind he is –

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/in-key-states-the-trump-campaign-still-lags-badly?utm_term=.fmEZbvOj1#.lgpYxO1p3
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August 15, 2016 8:33am
Ross12

This is well worth a read. Will be of interest to professional pollsters like David.

http://averybgoodman.com/myblog/2016/08/10/how-and-why-american-pollsters-are-falsifying-election-polls/
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August 15, 2016 8:40am
dave_c_

@Griff 8:03am

Chances of Clinton karking it prior to election day 95%

She has blood clot issues, and Parkinsons
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August 15, 2016 8:40am
Simon

No bites Griff. You have to try a little harder. Maybe stop being so boring would be a good start and get the energy levels up.
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August 15, 2016 8:41am
Inandout

TVNZ are bringing forward their Breakfast show with mother and son team, Hillary and Jack; can’t wait.
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August 15, 2016 8:41am
EAD

Where did this one trick pony “Straya” come from? Fc*k it’s going to be a long 3 months till the US election if he carries on like this.

I don’t like either of the candidates but would grudgingly tick Trump but preachy morons like Straya must make the avg. punter want to put his cross beside the Donald
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August 15, 2016 8:45am
calendar girl

Thanks for that, Elaycee –

“It [Wellington Airport] is seeking the majority of the $350m cost of a runway extension from central Government and Wellington ratepayers because it argues the benefits would accrue more to the country and the region rather than the airport owner, which cannot justify the expansion on purely commercial grounds.”

The Airport Company is being disingenuous. It knows very well that in the ‘monopoly pricing’ regime in which it operates it will be permitted to increase its landing charges and passenger charges by the same percentage as its asset base value. Charges will go up accordingly to airlines and (through their ticket prices as well as Terminal costs) to passengers.

The fallacy of that argument, of course, is that Wellington Airport expects to increase its asset base using predominantly free money from Government and Wellington City Council. Great reasoning from the monopoly’s Infratil and Council shareholders.
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August 15, 2016 8:45am
srylands

“Labour leader Andrew Little said New Zealand should be helping the Australian government to find a solution to change how offshore detention centres are run.”

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83152947/andrew-little-on-nauru-an-ugly-sort-of-politics

Good luck with that.
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August 15, 2016 8:45am
straya

Dave_c_ nice to see you repeating your alt-reich website talking points.

Out of interest, do you think Clinton will kark it before or after Obama declares martial law?

Honestly, this Clinton health stuff is, to quote the Donald, Sad! Low energy!

Can’t you Trumpkins do any better?
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August 15, 2016 8:48am
Inandout

dave_c_ 8.40: Hillary will possibly make President (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon her), and once elected do a Yury Vladimirovich Andropov, rule for 3 weeks and then go on sick leave for 6 months until death.
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August 15, 2016 8:49am
Griff

dave_c_

yip a conspicy whack has to believe all the propaganda feed to them else their little world would collapse .

EAD
preachy avg. punter like Straya must make the morons want to put his cross beside the Donald
Fixed
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August 15, 2016 8:50am
tom hunter

Simon (1,634 comments) says:
August 15th, 2016 at 8:41 am
No bites Griff. You have to try a little harder.

That’s true, Griff. You need to speak in the langauge of the people you’re addressing. Try something like this:

Polling looks awful. Trump can’t stop shooting himself in mouth. #NotaPolitician. Really dumb.
Loser. Low energy. Sad.

You can really get the hang of this Trump communication thing if you practice.
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August 15, 2016 8:53am
Chuck Bird

I seen Rhonda McHardy, a rape victim of Malcolm Rewa on Paul Henry this morning. How about the Minister of Injustice making sure justice is done for Susan Burdett instead of chasing votes from militant feminists.

Malcolm Rewa ‘police informant’ allegations should lead to inquiry, lawyer says

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/82996720/malcolm-rewa-police-informant-allegations-should-lead-to-inquiry-lawyer-says
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August 15, 2016 8:54am
Nukuleka

Inandout: Perhaps ‘mother and son’ should be relabelled’ ‘hag and fag’.
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August 15, 2016 8:54am
kowtow

Padriv @832

That was the best larf I’ve had all month.
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August 15, 2016 8:59am
Nukuleka

On RNZ Concert this morning Rick Young referred to Usain Bolt as the fastest ‘person athlete’. He has a point. Surely in this era of ‘equal this for equal that’ and ‘gender choice’ it is time to end the blatant discrimination against women evidenced in events like the Olympics. Abolish all sexist events such as ‘men’s this’ and ‘women’s that’. All compete against each other on a level playing field as ‘persons’. Not only the Olympics, of course, but the All Blacks should be open to anyone regardless of race, creed or gender. It is time we looked carefully at the disgraceful issue of sexism in sport.
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August 15, 2016 9:00am
Inandout

Nukuleka, shit I didn’t realise Jack batted for the other side/jobby jabber.

https://nz.lifestyle.yahoo.com/life/a/28732115/matt-jack-we-re-so-totally-in-tune/#page1
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August 15, 2016 9:03am
kowtow

“Labour leader Andrew Little said New Zealand should be helping the Australian government to find a solution to change how offshore detention centres are run.”

Well the tub thumper should put his money where his mouth is and announce that Aotearoa will take them all , and then allow the boats to come here too, better still we’ll send what’s left of our inoperative navy to pick them up off the coast of Indonesia…….like the Eyeties do.

The media, academics ,NGOs, will run with that ,and watch how Labour rockets up in the polls ………
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August 15, 2016 9:03am
Happychappy

Another fifteen days before the fat german gets his fight underway to stop his extradition to the USA and lets hope we have a Supreme Court Judge that has the balls to say enough is enough you have used all your get out of jail cards and sends him on his way
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August 15, 2016 9:03am
Yvette

@ cmm, as mentioned elsewhere –

“In 1823, Hongi Hika came down from the Far North and smashed my Te Arawa people, who had fled to Mokoia Island. Hongi and his warriors feasted on my ancestors’ cooked bodies for six days; they took back an estimated thousand captives as slaves.” – Alan Duff

“Historical trauma caused by colonisation is the root cause of intergenerational issues, particularly child abuse within Maori families,” – Waikato Associate Professor Leonie Pihama
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August 15, 2016 9:04am
stephieboy

EAD,

“I don’t like either of the candidates but would grudgingly tick Trump but preachy morons like Straya must make the avg. punter want to put his cross beside the Donald”

“Preachy morons” etc , aside I take it you’re on side with Trump’s decidedly pro-Israel stance ?
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August 15, 2016 9:04am
Rich Prick

It [Wellington Airport] is seeking the majority of the $350m cost of a runway extension from …

The poor bastards who allow themselves to be rorted by parking its fees.
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August 15, 2016 9:04am
Griff

But tom the polls talk load enough that even the low info wonks should be getting the hint .
L for losers .

I dont think that Hillery wining is a good outcome for the future she just represents more of the same lobbyist / money dominated system .

The republicans need to change the system that allows extremist candidates to dominate the nomination process within the party.
Lose the reactionary talk and allow practical mainstream candidates to represent the republican movement.
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August 15, 2016 9:10am
Keeping Stock

@ srylands – what would Andrew Little do in the unlikely event he was ever Prime Minister, and the Australians poked their nose in on a New Zealand domestic issue and told us what we should be doing? I would hope he would rightly tell them to butt out.

Yet that is exactly what Little is demanding John Key do of Australia. Thank goodness the chances of him ever being PM are somewhere between zero and nil.
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August 15, 2016 9:13am
mikenmild

Yvette
Yes, the Musket Wars were terrible. I wonder what caused them? (Hint: the name is a clue)
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August 15, 2016 9:15am
Manolo

@Simon: I can predict that “show” will not last longer than six months. Few, very few, will watch it.
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August 15, 2016 9:16am
Grant

“Yvette
Yes, the Musket Wars were terrible. I wonder what caused them? (Hint: the name is a clue)….”

The desire to subjugate and consume other tribes for the sheer pleasure of it, sounds like the cause. Regardless of what weapons were used to make it happen. After all, they were doing it long before muskets arrived.
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August 15, 2016 9:22am
Inandout

mikenmild 9.15: The muskets were merely ‘another tool in the Maori warfare box’, and had they had access to cannons would have used them too. I often wonder how the lead shot affected the dead bodies’ taste prior to eating.
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August 15, 2016 9:22am
dime

Do we know if hillary has had another fall lately?

she has bad ones in 2009, ’11, ’13.. she had that issue with her brain, had to go on blood thinners…

then there have been the times she just blanks out and has seizures..

i just hope shes ok.

and thank god she should be president. we need someone whos brain is in top notch shape!
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August 15, 2016 9:25am
SGA

Inandout at 9:22 am

I often wonder how the lead shot affected the bodies prior to eating.

Why? What do you think pheasant, duck, deer, goat or rabbit hunting involves?
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August 15, 2016 9:25am
Griff

I wonder what caused them?

The availability of food that could be stored.
The potato wars is a alternative name that some historians find more fitting.
The event of guns did not change the already intense inter tribal wars that had happened historically guns only made it easier to kill rather than maim .
Store able food meant that the wars could go longer and be carried further .

wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars

Historian James Belich has suggested “Potato Wars” as a more accurate name for these battles, due to the revolution the potato brought to the Māori economy.[6] Historian Angela Ballara says that new foods made some aspects of the wars different.[6] Potatoes were introduced in New Zealand in 1769[7] and they became a key staple with better food-value for weight than kūmara (sweet potato), and easier cultivation and storage. Unlike the kūmara, potatoes were tillable by slaves and women and this freed up men to go to war.[2]

Belich saw this as a logistical revolution, with potatoes effectively fuelled the long range taua that made the musket wars different from any fighting that had come before. Slaves captured in the raids were put to work tending potato patches, freeing up labour to create even larger taua. The duration of the raids was also longer by the 1820s; it became common for warriors to be away for up to a year because it was easier to grow a series of potato crops.

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August 15, 2016 9:27am
Nookin

I seen Rhonda McHardy, a rape victim of Malcolm Rewa on Paul Henry this morning. How about the Minister of Injustice making sure justice is done for Susan Burdett instead of chasing votes from militant feminists.

God forbid the day that a politician dictates who gets prosecuted by the police.

I also think it might have been slightly more helpful if Paul Henry had mentioned that the need for further evidence is not a whimsical requirement of the police, it is a dictate that is part of the stay of proceedings directed by the Solicitor-General.

Another point to note is that although Pora is generally accepted as having been exonerated “general acceptance” is not evidence and you can bet your bottom dollar that the defence would run exactly the same argument as they ran, successfully, last time.
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August 15, 2016 9:27am
stephieboy

Inandout, the Maori were, of course, the only ones to have muskets as “another tool ” in their “warfare box ” ?
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August 15, 2016 9:29am
Kimbo

@ Inandout

The muskets were merely ‘another tool in the Maori warfare box’, and had they had access to cannons would have used them too.

Hmm. More they were part of a package of radical – and in some cases devastating change that came as “God, Guns, Germs”, also known as…colonisation.
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August 15, 2016 9:36am
AgentBallSack

Whereas stephiebitch is just another tool, no qualifier needed.
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August 15, 2016 9:39am
stephieboy

dime , Hillary’s “health issues ”

This from TM,

“She won’t be worried about her health problems, she’ll be more concerned about her $72 zillion dollars in Swiss banks, starting World War 3 and the fact that 18 of the men she’s given AIDS to are taking legal action against her. Oh, and that unpaid $72 parking ticket from Boise, Idaho in 1988. ”

Have I missed anything else?

Oh yes, the Clinton body bag count !

LOL
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August 15, 2016 9:41am
Chuck Bird

God forbid the day that a politician dictates who gets prosecuted by the police.

That is not as bad as political connections getting as person permanent name suppression.

It is 100% clear that Rewa murder Susan Burdett. It is 100% clear that Peter Ellis did not comment the crimes he went to jail for.

I say common sense and justice should trump process. I do not care how.

I appears there is a high likelihood that the police incompetence at best allowed Rewa to keep on raping and then murdering Susan Burdett.
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August 15, 2016 9:41am
dime

“Have I missed anything else?”

yeah, muslims are peaceful!

this one is alarming as fuck.

cause if its not medical, shes just a fucking retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYFVMCvjtc
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August 15, 2016 9:46am
stephieboy

dime , especially for you,

Trump exposes Trump.

Examples :

Condemns the Mexican President for using the F word but does so liberally himself

Condemns Hilary Clinton but previously praises her .

Supports Liberal abortion laws then oppose them .

Condemns Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and supports attacks Libya then opposes them

Condemns the invasion of Iraq 2003 but back then supports it

For gun control then opposes controls .

etc, etc ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS

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August 15, 2016 9:51am
Manolo

Very unhealthy scum and potential Muslim terrorists:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3740080/Calais-jungle-breaking-point-number-migrants-passes-9-000-camp-major-health-security-risk.html

The number of British-bound migrants in the notorious Jungle camp in Calais has doubled to 9,000 in the past six months and now become a ‘major health and security risk’, police have revealed.
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August 15, 2016 9:53am
mikenmild

Griff
The agricultural changes were also a factor, but I think the availability of muskets was the key, as it allowed a crucial disturbance in the balance of power and the ability to inflict such devastating casualties that decisive victories became possible.
But the key is that the introduction of potatoes and muskets was a consequence of European contact. Without that contact, Maori life would likely have continued as it had for hundreds of years – with seasonal, low-level endemic warfare.
The early European contact, and later colonisation, brought irreversible changes for Maori.
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August 15, 2016 9:53am
mikenmild

I see the GOP is going to have to decide when to cut their losses with Trump and focus on salvaging some congressional races:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/republicans-urge-rnc-cut-funds-trump-226918
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August 15, 2016 9:56am
kowtow

Colonialism saved the Maoris from self extinction .
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August 15, 2016 9:56am
Inandout

SGA 9.25: The lead used in muskets I believe was of the ‘soft’ variety, and therefore more likely to leach into the meat tissue. I guess it would depend on how liberally the shots were fired, but here is an article that discusses lead in game meat.

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/lead-in-game-meat
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August 15, 2016 9:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Padriv Ustoev 8:32

Have you considered holidaying in Kyrgyzstan?

It’s a good Moslem country that discourages burquas and hijabs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/women-mini-skirts-dont-become-8624765

You could probably spear-shoot some rare trout in Issyk-Kul.

I’m sure some lightly-clothed Kyrgyz lass would love to pose with you and your catch……
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August 15, 2016 10:04am
mikenmild

I see that the Huffington Posts has taken to providing this helpful note at the bottom of all their pieces on the election:

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.
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August 15, 2016 10:05am
Griff

Yip mike that is what happens when your primate closed society is flooded with the new technologies from the outside world .
Change.
Europeans did not go into the world with the idea that we should inflict the harm we did .
The New Zealand maori had one of the less repressive colonization’s of the era with the majority of those involved going out or their way to minimize the harm they inflicted .

We can not undo the past we need to move forward.
Blaming Europeans for the changes the happened and the society that maori now inhabit is not going to bring the maori fully into this century.
Until maori move past their grievance focus and except the challenges of living in the present they will continue to be at the bottom of society and suffer the consequences .
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August 15, 2016 10:05am
mikenmild

Griff
I can go along with some of that.
Recognising the impact that colonialism has had on colonised peoples takes us some way into the context we need in considering how to respond to higher incidences of poverty, ill health and violence among those populations.
It’s not to be advanced as an excuse for individual criminal behaviour.
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August 15, 2016 10:07am
cmm

@mikenmild

So what the hell were the patu, mere and taiaha then? Why were Maori boys& men arranged into well trained fighting forces from an early age? Do you think it was for Kapa Haka?

Sure muskets might have given an edge to the tribes that had them, but that desire to go kill off the other tribes’ men and lovingly and charitably take care of their women was not in the gunpowder.

Hint: It was in the genes.
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August 15, 2016 10:10am
EAD

“Better an honest enemy than a false friend” — German Proverb

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-germany-syrian-refugees-seek-out-a-jewish-welfare-organization/

“The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Josef Schuster, said this week that the European Union and Germany “have a duty to help the refugees who are fleeing from war or persecution. The Jewish community in Germany sides with the refugees and has started a lot of local initiatives to help them.”

Interesting isn’t it. The people who control the Western MSM keep telling its Goyim audience – Oy Vey, we are under threat and need to flee, yet all the media I’ve read of a Jewish persuasion has been that open borders into the West are good and Jews must do all they can to keep these borders wide open (except to Israel of course which has a zero refugee policy and only allows people “of the blood” to immigrate)
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August 15, 2016 10:12am
SGA

@Kimbo

and in some cases devastating change that came as “God, Guns, Germs”, also known as…colonisation.

I’ve also heard “The Bible, the bullet, and the bottle” used 🙂
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August 15, 2016 10:14am
EAD

Recognising the impact that colonialism has had on colonised peoples takes us some way into the context we need in considering how to respond to higher incidences of poverty, ill health and violence among those populations

Yes MM, those primitive, cannabalistic, superstitious & constantly waring Maoris lived long and prosperous lives until YT came along with their civilisation and modern medicines………
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August 15, 2016 10:17am
Longknives

Does Mikenmild actually believe that utter drivel he is posting about Pre-Colonial Maori?
Charles Darwin certainly didn’t have as many many kind words to say about them….
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August 15, 2016 10:21am
Longknives

Everybody digging deep for this one? Ha Ha

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83162292/justice-advocate-roger-brooking-creates-givealittle-campaign-for-david-bain
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August 15, 2016 10:22am
stephieboy

EAD, please address the issue of Trump’s support for Israel.?

I note last evening you joined a black sabbat directed against Somalis . You cast doubt on Maggy Wassilieff’s comments about their industry and intelligence dismissing the claims as purely anecdotal .

Here is proof positive of Somali Medical and other N Z University graduates ,

http://somaligraduatejournal.org/first-somali-medical-graduate-in-new-zealand/

Would you now reconsider their racial and intelligence classification ?

Primitive Maori etc ? The good National Socialist you are !
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August 15, 2016 10:24am
EAD

I cast doubt on Somalians industry & intelligence did I Stephieboy?

What ever would make me do that?

http://newobserveronline.com/somalis-in-america-a-horror-story-of-crime-violence-and-now-terrorism/
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August 15, 2016 10:28am
dime

“dime , especially for you,”

yeah thats great.

Hillary is having minor strokes and is mentally done in the head. she hasnt had a press conference in 254 days.

she wont release her medical records even though the dems forced mccaint oo cause “he was too old and would die in office and ummm he had a mole cut out once”.

this bitch is bleeding the brain.
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August 15, 2016 10:38am
dime

If hillary wins, who will be the real president?

Will Bill have to run it? he looks like hes in late stages of full blown aids and has a dodgy heart.

maybe he chief of staff becomes the one making all the deicisions?
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August 15, 2016 10:39am
stephieboy

EAD, and these mass shootings in the US were conducted by sub-human Somalis and Blacks ?,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

Shall we now pit your “intelligence ” against that Somali Medical and other graduates ?
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August 15, 2016 10:41am
mikenmild

cmm
I’m not disputing that pre-European Maori society was violent, like all similar societies and most dissimilar ones as well. All I am saying is that contact with Europeans and subsequent colonisation had a huge impact on colonised peoples. This impact has been very similar around the world, and is an important factor to consider when thinking about how to response to disparities in education, health and justice, etc.
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August 15, 2016 10:41am
mikenmild

dime
Luckily we already have a record of Clinton’s health to confirm that she is medically fit to serve.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html?_r=1
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August 15, 2016 10:48am
stephieboy

dime,

Right after the name of Hillary Clinton’s physician appeared in the news, suspect medical records attributed to that doctor were “leaked” online.

CLAIM: Leaked medical records document that Hillary Clinton exhibits signs of dementia and serious illness.

X FALSE

EXAMPLE: [Collected via e-mail, August 2016]

Hillary Clinton diagnosed with “Complex Partial Seizures” and “early onset Subcortical Vascular Dementia” as per a letter authored by Lisa R. Bardack, M.D., Chairman of the Department of Medicine, Mount Kisco Medical Group

ORIGIN:On 8 August 2016, a new Twitter account titled @HillsMedRecords appeared and published what the user behind the account claimed were leaked medical records attesting to the poor health of Hillary Clinton.

The account was quickly deleted by its owner, but screenshots of the purported records continued circulating on Twitter, allegedly showing documents prepared by Dr. Lisa Bardack on 5 February and 20 March 2014:….”

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-medical-records-leaked/

LMAO

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August 15, 2016 10:48am
Fletch

I guess that comparing Trump to Hitler isn’t enough. A new trend seems to be emerging – liberal commentators comparing Trump to fictional villains. First it was a blogger from Business Insider comparing Trump to the monster from popular Netflix series Stranger Things.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-donald-trump-is-the-monster-from-stranger-things-2016-8?r=US&IR=T

Then it was someone from the Daily Beast comparing Trump to comic book villain Lex Luther – http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/14/the-many-ways-donald-trump-is-a-real-life-lex-luthor.html

Now we have Robert DeNiro comparing Trump to Travis Bickle from the movie Taxi Driver. – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2016/08/14/robert-de-niro-likens-trump-to-taxi-driver-character-travis-bickle/

Oh, and Clinton pal Sidney Blumenthal wrote an article claiming that former president Abraham Lincoln would have recognized Trump for the conman he is – http://www.newsweek.com/abraham-lincoln-would-have-recognised-conman-trump-489841

I wonder what Lincoln would have thought of Hillary?
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August 15, 2016 11:09am
sooty

Kelvin Davis looking after crimes in Australia. Andrew Little looking after refuges in Nauru. Whos looking after kiwis in New Zealand!
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August 15, 2016 11:09am
emmess

Another retarded hashtag
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37076331/illwalkwithyou-offers-to-accompany-muslim-community-to-mosque-after-imam-shooting

When this is suspected killer
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/13/new-york-muslims-blame-donald-trump-imam-shooting/
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August 15, 2016 11:11am
Fletch

The latest hack of the Democrats includes files going back to 2005. This ought to be interesting. I wonder if we’ll find out who set up Obama to be president?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/14/exclusive-guccifer-2-0-hack-includes-democrat-files-all-the-way-back-to-2005/
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August 15, 2016 11:12am
Fletch

538
Chance of winning
Hillary Clinton 88.8%
Donald Trump 11.1%

Griff, a lot can happen between here and November. It would only take another terror attack on American soil to change the mood of the nation (not that I am hoping for such an event).
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August 15, 2016 11:14am
Jack5

Talking of Somalis (EAD at 10.28, followed by comment from the official spokesmen for the NZ Stephiestani community)….

The Somali who was disturbed in the grounds of a Christchurch school then ran amok knifing strangers, has been refused parole. He’s still violent and dangerous.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/possessed-man-denied-parole
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August 15, 2016 11:16am
emmess

I guess that comparing Trump to Hitler isn’t enough. A new trend seems to be emerging – liberal commentators comparing Trump to fictional villains.

Comparing Trump to fictional villains might get a few chuckles but I am really starting to think the Underwoods from House of Cards are actually the Clintons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3726250/Enemies-Hillary-Bill-say-27-year-old-murder-victim-Seth-Rich-suspected-leaking-DNC-emails-belongs-Clinton-Death-List-people-ties-couple-died-time.html
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August 15, 2016 11:16am
mikenmild

Fletch

It would only take another terror attack on American soil to change the mood of the nation (not that I am hoping for such an event).

Thanks for the parenthetical qualification of your desire. But when you say ‘it would only take’, you really give the impression that such an attack would be a small price to pay for your desire to see a President Trump.
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August 15, 2016 11:19am
Fletch

Video blogger Brendan Malone talks about the double standard of reporting by feminists at the Rio games. It seems OK for women to objectify men (run stories and photos comparing the “packages” of male athletes) but not for men to objectify women. Oh, and it’s OK for a magazine to talk about the “whale” Robel Habte from Ethiopia, but the same magazine decries anyone talking about the chunkiness of one of the female gymnasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D03h8JSgW04

Hypocrites.
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August 15, 2016 11:21am
Fletch

mm, I am only saying that nothing is set in stone. The mood of the nation is easily changed by current events, or an email hack. It only takes one of the contenders to say something stupid, or a video, etc, and it swings the other way. I agree, however, the mood seems to be against trump at the moment.
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August 15, 2016 11:23am
stephieboy

jack 5 , you can give us a categorical assurance that white folk here don’t or never have committed that kind of offence ?
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August 15, 2016 11:25am
Jack5

StephieX at 11.25…

By “us” I presume you mean the Stephie Islamic troll team.

In answer to your question: first can you provide assurance that all of you are legal immigrants, and if so can you please advise the name of the immigration consultant used in Stephiestan?
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August 15, 2016 11:30am
Tauhei Notts

I have read where Hillary Barry and Jack Tame are going on TV One’s breakfast show.
I suggest that they adopt Paul Simon’s song, “Mother and Child Reunion as their signature tune.
It will be quite catchy.
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August 15, 2016 11:32am
stephieboy

Jack 5, p;ease, please audition for the lead role in the stage production of this movie,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
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August 15, 2016 11:38am
GoVege

MM 10.41: yes colonization brought disease and other negatives, but overall life is a lot longer and less brutish for most colonized people.
Racism from ignorant Europeans is their biggest problem, followed closely by institutionalized sexism from their own people.
Any culture that pressures it’s females to have huge numbers of children, and treats them as inferior to males, like virtually all non-western cultures, is setting itself up for massive problems.
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August 15, 2016 11:40am
Manolo

Trump accused of killing JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby, too:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/donald-trump-blamed-for-stoking-islamophobia-after-imam-and-assistant-shot-dead-at-new-york-mosque/ar-BBvC4ds?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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August 15, 2016 11:41am
Manolo

The forgettable Messiah has been talking to Griff:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-much-more-to-do-on-climate-change/article/2599269

President Obama praised his administration on Saturday for the progress it has made combating climate change over the past seven-and-a-half years, but pressed Americans to step up their resolve to save the environment in his final six months in office.
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August 15, 2016 11:46am
dime

“http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html?_r=1”

cheers for linking to carlos slims blog milky. but ill pass on reading it 🙂

hope she doesnt stroke out this week
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August 15, 2016 11:48am
mikenmild

dime
You seemed to be interested in Clinton’s health, so I thought you might be interested in the reassurance offered by her doctor.
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August 15, 2016 11:51am
slightlyrighty

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/31578770?pos=54&type=standout&engineConfig=&userqueryid=84649382208654005&tier=no_tier&whereid=1019

New Job Advert that may be of some curiosity to political junkies, $75 k a year though? This is far too hard a job for that amount of income…..
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August 15, 2016 11:56am
dime

milkly – dont trust left wing blogs 🙂
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August 15, 2016 11:57am
Fletch

It’s not like Hillary’s team are going to put forward any medical records that say she is unfit. They’ll doctor it (if you’ll pardon the pun) to make it palatable to the populice.
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August 15, 2016 11:58am
Keeping Stock

@ Chuck – however repulsive the concept may be to some, everyone who goes before the court in New Zealand is innocent until proven guilty, and is entitled to a fair trial. In the case of Rewa, I doubt that he could get a fair trial by jury because there has been so much prejudicial information released in the media where it is widely accepted (and likely true) that he murdered Ms Burdett. That in itself could be a significant obstacle to justice being done.

Stays of prosecution are generally not issued without good cause, and nor should they be overturned without good cause. And like Nookin, I do not look forward to the day when politicians dictate to the court or judiciary, other than by legislation.
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