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duggledog

New Zealanders are the biggest group currently in Australian detention centres:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/309835/kiwis-biggest-group-in-aus-detention

Can we get a breakdown of ethnicities please? Or should we just guess
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August 14, 2016 8:01am
Paulus Gnome

Tangata whenua and . . .
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August 14, 2016 8:21am
Paulus

Now that Hillary has given her so called income (presumably ex Clinton Foundation etc etc ) I assume that she will now be eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama was an obvious choice when he was elected. Should he give the prize money back ?
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August 14, 2016 8:22am
cmm

@duggledog:

I’m guessing the biggest group is not really New Zealanders. They’re Aotearoans.
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August 14, 2016 8:23am
Paulus Gnome

and good morning to the standards duty downticker . . .
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August 14, 2016 8:26am
Manolo

Lone wolf alert: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37072847

A knifeman has set fire to a train in north-eastern Switzerland, leaving six people in hospital with stab wounds and burns, police say.

The suspect, described as a Swiss man aged 27, was also taken to hospital after the incident near Salez in St Gallen Canton, close to Liechtenstein. He had ignited a flammable liquid before attacking people with a knife.
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August 14, 2016 8:26am
stephieboy

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“Syrians celebrate defeat of ISIS in Manbij, recount horrors of executions
City near Turkish border served as conduit for ISIS supplies”

“Residents of the Syrian city of Manbij were celebrating today after rebel fighters freed about 2,000 hostages and drove out the last ISIS fighters, who had reportedly been using civilians as human shields.

In an offensive that took 73 days, a coalition of Kurdish and Arab fighters, with the help of U.S. airstrikes, took control of the city just south of the Turkish border on Friday.

The militia known as the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said it held off on conducting widespread assaults within the city and instead worked to clear Manbji house by house because of the hostages. …”

So much for Trump the clown and his followers and the stupid claim, Obama founded ISIS

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-syria-manbij-sdf-1.3719783
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August 14, 2016 8:31am
EAD

The Main Sewer Media is a joke.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/83144293/several-injured-in-knife-attack-on-swiss-train

Apparently a “Swiss Man” armed with a knife and flammable fluid injured six people in an attack on a Swiss train on Saturday in what is described as a “crime of passion”.

How bl**dy stupid do they think we are!?

And the worst thing is this same reporting style is universal in the MSM with all (((Reuters))) sources reporting the same narrative that this “Swiss Man” committed a “crime of passion”.

At least it’s a change from previous fairytales such as the the Nice driver who “drank, and wasn’t a real Muslim” or the Munich Shooter who was “bullied at school” or the German Machete practitioner who was “out of his mind” or the “Norwegian Somali” knifeman who “was mentally ill”.

See Goyim – nothing to worry about as your nation, and only your nations are forced to endlessly import millions of Muslims without your consent, against your will and despite your ~~hate speech~~ protests.

This is obviously what Barbara Spectre means below when she says Europe is going into “multicultural mode” and we’re not going to be the “monolithic societies” we once were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
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August 14, 2016 8:35am
artemisia

Couple of thoughts on The Nation – Auckland mayoral candidates.

Mr Goff came across pretty well, though a bit socks-and-sandals public servant. Mr Thomas overtalked too much and mentioned his 6 years on council a lot – probably not going to endear him to voters. Ms Crone was businesslike and articulate but light on detail. Mr Palino had some good ideas and had a written policy statement but didn’t manage to get his ideas across very well.

The men have good name recognition, Ms Crone less so.
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August 14, 2016 8:36am
Steve (North Shore)

Artemisia,
Palino was shut down by Owen’s continuous interruptions and loud mouth, whereas Goff was allowed to reign free.
Goff has lots of policies – bullshitter
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August 14, 2016 8:45am
kowtow

Europe’s diversity dividend.

” “It’s really hard for the unaccompanied minors – 16- and 17-years-olds – to survive. It’s the survival of the fittest in there. In the evening and night it’s impossible to find them [children] because they are hiding in the tents. The women are afraid. They complain that during the night and evening they cannot go to the toilet alone. They have all heard of reports of others being attacked,” said Nava.”

No mention in the reports that the attacks are by other “refugees” , just like at Nauru . But of course it’s whitey’s fault.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/13/child-refugees-sexually-assaulted-at-official-greek-camps
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August 14, 2016 8:51am
Nukuleka

We are so used to the media deliberately distorting their news reports that it is natural that once we hear them emphasise that the assailant in Switzerland was a ‘Swiss citizen’ we make the assumption that there is more to this assailant than being ‘Swiss’. He may indeed be a native European Swiss, and it may indeed be a ‘crime of passion’, but we have been fed such stories so many times about similar attacks that our cynicism automatically kicks in. The media have created the distrust that surrounds so much of their reporting.
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August 14, 2016 8:51am
holysheet

Duggledog, special people get special privilages. Even the aussies can see this.
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August 14, 2016 8:53am
Happychappy

Steve@
When a Labour MP Standing for Mayor of our largest City has to run his campaign under the colours of the National Party you know something is not right,Goffy can’t lie in bed straight let alone be honest with the Auckland voter.This is the same Phil Goff that John Key kept asking the question show me the money and goffy still has not answered
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August 14, 2016 8:53am
mikenmild

That’s right, kowtow, the rapes and assaults on Nauru are nothing to worry about, because it’s just refugees attacking each other. No real people are being harmed.
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August 14, 2016 8:55am
stephieboy

EAD, the Daily Mail carries the stabbing and identifies the offender as a 27-year-old Swiss citizen .Don’t you think it is appropriate for MSM that you whinge on about obtains complete details of the identity of the assailant before jumping to conclusions ?

I understand how deeply distressing for you if the offender was found to be any other than a Muslim or a Jew or say an African ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739003/Man-injured-seven-Swiss-train-passengers-fire-knife-rampage.html
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August 14, 2016 8:56am
EAD

That’s right, kowtow, the rapes and assaults on Nauru are nothing to worry about, because it’s just refugees attacking each other. No real people are being harmed.

Savages will be savages wherever they are Mikenmild. Why should we let them into our safe, peacful society established by our ancestors where they can attack us? Why do they deserve the benefit of something they did not create and which they can only destroy?

The problem with the likes of you and Bob Geldof & Jo Cox etc. are so busy trying to appear all righteous and morally superior trying to save the world that you ignore your own kith and kin

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/06/the-selective-compassion-of-jo-cox/

A section from the article:

Jo Cox wanted to make the world a better place and it was a cause for which she was willing to travel halfway across the globe. Whether consoling rape victims in Darfur or bombed out villagers in Afghanistan, it seemed the jet-setting international aid worker was rarely far from the action.

Lately it had been the struggle of Syrian war refugees to get to the West that touched her heart, and their plight was a subject she returned to again and again after becoming a Member of Parliament. It seemed there was no victims anywhere she could not empathise with.

Except, perhaps, with one striking omission.

And that would be the White child rape victims of Muslim grooming gangs in her own back yard. For her West Yorkshire constituency is near the epicentre of the Muslim child rape epidemic that has been sweeping the Labour heartlands of northern England, largely ignored or covered up by social services workers, police and politicians.

For it is a striking omission that of all the subjects she enjoyed sounding off on, this world-famous crisis affecting the poorest Whites on her doorstep was not one of them. One cannot help wonder if this shrewd silence was connected to the fact that her lavishly paid MPs job in the constituency of Batley and Spen largely depended on the support of the local Muslim community.
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August 14, 2016 9:00am
Steve (North Shore)

Happychappy,
Goff can not even be honest with himself. If he becomes Auckland’s nightmare I can’t wait to see what happens when he lays a wreath at the War Memorial on the next ANZAC Day – if the chicken arse shit has the balls
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August 14, 2016 9:04am
holysheet

Thats right milky. if they had followed due procedures, and not tried to get into Australia illegally, then they would not be in Nauru in the first place. And don’t say the poor children don’t deserve this. The parents weren’t considering them when they put them in the boats.
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August 14, 2016 9:04am
Manolo

The corrupt aging philanderer complains:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/13/bill-clinton-accuses-fbi-of-serving-up-a-load-of-bull/

Bill Clinton is accusing the FBI director of serving up “the biggest load of bull I’ve ever heard” — marking the first significant public comments from the husband of the Democratic nominee on the scandal that’s plagued his wife’s campaign for over a year.
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August 14, 2016 9:05am
Inandout

Sometimes comments on news sites encapsulate the madness that is Europe (and most of the West) today.

‘Most Western Europeans wouldn’t change a thing about the prevailing immigration policies in place. They have been raised to accept ethnic violence as `the new normal, caused in some way, by their own doing.
Leftist ideology and peaceful, civil, society are incompatible.
In a few years, European society will consist of hapless, defeated, masses, resigned to hopeless existence, punctuated by occasional spells of terror at the hands of useful zealots.
Leftists need this type of turmoil to maintain power over the greater population. It is their constant state of revolution that grants them license to commit their traditional genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Any resistance to their multicultural ruse that enables their savages to prey on peaceful citizens, will be condemned as bigotry or racism.

Europe as we knew it will soon be gone. And most ignorant, hateful Euros, too busy pointing fingers across the oceans, deserve every bit of despair and misery that awaits them’.
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August 14, 2016 9:07am
SGA

EAD at 8:35 am

Apparently a “Swiss Man” armed with a knife and flammable fluid injured six people in an attack on a Swiss train on Saturday in what is described as a “crime of passion”.
How bl**dy stupid do they think we are!?

Time will tell, I guess.
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August 14, 2016 9:12am
stephieboy

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EAD , we can be reasonably sure that the claims about “White child rape victims of Muslim grooming gangs in her own back yard…” can apply equally to White grooming “gangs ” or groups as Jimmy Saville , RolF Harris and others attest !

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10938204/Rolf-Harris-Footage-emerges-of-him-laughing-and-joking-with-Jimmy-Savile.html
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August 14, 2016 9:14am
Kriss X

That’s right, kowtow, the rapes and assaults on Nauru are nothing to worry about, because it’s just refugees attacking each other. No real people are being harmed.

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Don’t worry mikenmild, you people will soon release thes beasts into society so every one can experience rape and assault.

I think its called “diversity and cultural enrichment”
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August 14, 2016 9:15am
duggledog

Steve North Shore

Like you, I will retch if Goff has the temerity to attend an ANZAC day after spitting on returned vets.

I don’t believe you can write that off as something you did as a young man caught up in the times. I don’t buy that. I would never have done something so base even when I was 13.

However:

Phil Goff will be your new Mayor, no doubt about it.

If you know Aucklanders as well as I do, you will know they have a habit of voting for people like him.

Palin won’t make it, especially after one of our facile journalists does a little bit of homework over and above rewriting press releases, and talks to some of the restaurant owners about how their business went after appearing on his appalling TV3 programme The Kitchen Job. There was some talk on talkback about it back in the day, I haven’t forgotten.

Crone won’t make it either. Nor Ralston.
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August 14, 2016 9:16am
mikenmild

holysheet
So if you don’t follow the correct procedures, and are captured by the Australian government and sent to a concentration camp, what happens in that camp is entirely your fault?
Would the same logic apply if the Australians sank the refugees’ boats and killed their occupants? It would still be the refugees’ fault?
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August 14, 2016 9:17am
Kriss X

mikenmild, the Australian people are absurdly generous, giving illegal invaders anything at all. The correct response wound be to sink their boats the moment they entered Aussie waters.

Why do you always assume white people owe brown people something ?
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August 14, 2016 9:23am
stephieboy

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Kriss X , the evidence that immigrants and refugees here at home about are busy raping and assaulting and looking for victims ?

A morning of piety and prayers for you at Church this morning petitioning the LGA to visit a plague upon our diversity dividend ?

“Why do you always assume white people owe brown people something ?”

How very Christ like of you !
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August 14, 2016 9:23am
Kriss X

stephieboy, go ask Sweden and Denmark.

Another fact you people hide is the level of brutality and humiliation the victims endure. Often the actual rape is the least of it. I won’t describe details, as they are way too upsetting for decent people to read on a Sunday.

What you are defending is disgusting.
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August 14, 2016 9:28am
Doctor Who

According to Swiss police the attack on the train does not involve an immigrant but they will neither confirm or deny terrorism.
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August 14, 2016 9:29am
Kriss X

According to Swiss police the attack on the train does not involve an immigrant
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That usually means it was a Muslim born there from immigrant parents.
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August 14, 2016 9:32am
Rachael Membery

mikenmild (23,896 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 8:55 am

The perpetrators should be tried, convicted and sent home. You sound like you would be happy for them to be let loose in Australia. 600k per each to live on Nauru.
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August 14, 2016 9:33am
All_on_Red

‘Even the left-stream media is now acknowledging that Donald Trump “has a point” when he blasts Hilary and Obama for creating ISIS.
“Hillary Clinton is vulnerable. ISIS did gain strength during her time as Secretary of State,” said ABC News correspondent Martha Raddatz.
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August 14, 2016 9:34am
Kriss X

The perpetrators should be tried convicted and sent home. You sound like you would be happy for them to be let loose in Australia.

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Oh yes indeed. He loves all this raping and carry on.

He will then use it to demonstrate Western society is a “rape culture”.
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August 14, 2016 9:36am
mikenmild

Rachael
Trial and imprisonment would be more humane than the camps on Nauru and Manus.
Send them home? To where? Perhaps Australia could consider that if President Trump is successful with his plan to deport 11 million people.
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August 14, 2016 9:37am
stephieboy

Kriss X , the assailant was described as a 27-year-old Swiss citizen . Shall we leave there till more information and facts emerge .

Not defending anything . Just focusing on the facts like the above 27-year-old Siss Citizen .

You just assume many different kind of things .

Share with us aspects of your life as a devout and practising” Christian ” ?
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August 14, 2016 9:37am
Kriss X

Send them home? To where?

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Ummm let me see… is the answer HOME ?
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August 14, 2016 9:39am
Kriss X

They must have been tainted by our Western European “rape culture” do you think stephieboy/mikenmild ?

Sweden and Denmark have highest number of sexual assaults in Europe
The finding was made by the European Agency for Fundamental Rights

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html
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August 14, 2016 9:41am
stephieboy

All_on_Red (3,639 comments) says:
August 14th, 2016 at 9:34 am

Never knew how dumb Trump supporters could get . Refer to my post at 8.31 am . Are you deluded enough to believe Obama was helping ISIS with their defeat and retreat from the Syrian City of Manbij?
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August 14, 2016 9:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

@stephieboy

Share with us aspects of your life as a devout and practising” Christian ” ?

I would rather be spared any insight into anyone’s life as a devout and practising Christian;

but if you get your skates on, you could just roll along to one of your local churches and share aspects of life of lots of Christian folks and spare us a few hours of your company.

There’s quite a few churches left in your locale

https://yellow.co.nz/mount-roskill/churches
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August 14, 2016 9:47am
stephieboy

Kriss X, it is safe to suggest that the claim that many of those sexual assaults were not by Muslims and were untrue ,

Mail Online sex attack story ‘filled with lies’, Swedish woman says

Lisen Andréasson Florman says Daily Mail website wrongly reported she had been victim of sexual assault at music festival,

“A Swedish woman has accused the Mail Online of falsely representing her as the victim of a sexual assault in an article about sex attacks allegedly perpetrated by “foreign youths” at a music festival.

Lisen Andréasson Florman told the Guardian she was shocked to discover herself cast as the victim of an assault, and said she felt “violated” by the Mail Online report.

The article had contained extensive quotes from Andréasson Florman describing a sexual attack at the hands of a group of men, who groped her breasts and left her feeling “small and vulnerable”.

Lisen Andréasson Florman says she feels violated by the Mail Online.

“No one groped my breasts, despite what the Daily Mail claims in both headline and story. The Daily Mail has published a piece of sensationalistic writing, filled with lies. The newspaper has consciously distorted my quotes, stolen private photos and lied. All in order to confirm a story that serves an agenda that isn’t mine and to tell a story that isn’t true,” she wrote in a Facebook post…”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/15/mail-online-sweden-music-bravalla-festival-sex-attack-story
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August 14, 2016 9:48am
All_on_Red

You mean this comment?
‘So much for Trump the clown and his followers and the stupid claim, Obama founded ISIS’

And then I write
‘Even the left-stream media is now acknowledging that Donald Trump “has a point” when he blasts Hilary and Obama for creating ISIS.
“Hillary Clinton is vulnerable. ISIS did gain strength during her time as Secretary of State,” said ABC News correspondent Martha Raddatz.
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August 14, 2016 9:50am
SGA

@Kriss X
Have you commented here under a different name – there is something very familiar about your writing style.
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August 14, 2016 9:50am
Inandout

“A terrorism background still seems very, very far-fetched,” Metzger said.

“We can neither exclude nor affirm that this was a terrorist act,” St Gallen regional police spokesman Bruno Metzger told the local St Galler Tagblatt daily.

The Swiss police must have a handbook for these types of incidents. Firstly always deny terrorism, then when the evidence gathers say ‘neither exclude nor affirm’, followed probably by offender is a ‘second generation Swiss immigrant’; mentally unstable.
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August 14, 2016 9:51am
Kriss X

Mail Online sex attack story ‘filled with lies’, Swedish woman says

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stephieboy, Was that after she discovered the penalty (for getting raped) is stoning to death ?
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August 14, 2016 9:51am
lilman

Stephie have anyone you have known been attacked by a drone?

Who cares anyway eventually people not governments will decide the fate of Extremists,just keep stoking the fire Stephie,the people are only mildly annoyed at the moment.
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August 14, 2016 9:53am
Rachael Membery

mikenmild (23,897 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 9:37 am

Their place of birth, they do have one you know.
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August 14, 2016 9:54am
All_on_Red

Stephie is real grumpy to day.
Must have had a hard time getting the stains out of its Burka
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August 14, 2016 9:55am
Inandout

The mudslime terrorists have sure affected French tourism.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160810/in-numbers-how-tourists-are-deserting-france
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August 14, 2016 9:55am
holysheet

Stupidboy, let me put it in plain simple language even a moron like you can understand.
When Trump said ISIS was formed by the serial liar and the black president, he was referring to their inaction in not helping the Syrians in their struggles. This created the opportunities that lead to the formation of ISIS. So you see Trump is right, and once the MSM get off their high horse, even they will admit to this.
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August 14, 2016 10:00am
Kriss X

stephieboy, do you agree with Islamic judges that much tougher penalties are needed to deter (women getting) raped ?

“Despite being abducted and raped by seven men, a court in Saudi Arabia sentenced her to 90 lashes”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/opinion/29iht-edeltahawy.1.8528543.html?_r=0

Obama is great mates with the Saudis and props up the regime. Very forgiving after they carried out 911
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August 14, 2016 10:03am
Kriss X

he was referring to their inaction in not helping the Syrians in their struggles.

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Sorry but no.

Obama was giving hundreds of millions to Islamic groups in Syria. Google it. It is not a secret but our media simply do not report things unfavrourable to black presidents.
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August 14, 2016 10:05am
adamsmith1922

My wife commented to me on The Nation Auckland Mayoral candidates session as follows:-

Palino – seems sound and has good policies
Goff – wittered about trees all the time, lacks substance
Crone – inarticulate, management blather

My comment re Goff, Brown could not organise a PU in a brewery, but Goff would probably not be able to find the brewery.
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August 14, 2016 10:06am
tom hunter

Good article on Trump’s most recent claim, that the only way Clinton can win Pennsylvania is by cheating.

The GOP has not won the state for 30 years. Did he think he was that different, or that tribalism does not count? He’s also down by 10 points in four different polls. In the world of Trumpists it’s quite possible for all four organisations to rig their polls.

But I also appreciated the following, in light of Shawn Herles’s comment yesterday, that the election would be all about turnout to get a win for The Donald:

An interesting theory from Nate Silver:

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538
In USC/LATimes poll, Trump supporters’ likelihood of voting has fallen a bunch over past week. His “rigged” message may depress his turnout.

@NateSilver538
If he’s still down a bunch on Nov. 7 not that hard to imagine Trump saying (implicitly or explicitly) “you know what, don’t bother to vote”.

The more strongly he and the Hannitys of conservative media emphasize that the election will be rigged, the less reason any Trump supporter has to participate in it. Drew McCoy speculates that Trump might start to wind down his own participation, remaining in the race but cutting back his events to one or two a week eventually. That would be an extra way for him and his fans to spin a blowout — not only was the election “rigged,” they can claim, but because it was so obvious so early that it was rigged, they decided to boycott en masse. He would have won Pennsylvania, but between the cheating and the ensuing boycott, he ended up losing by 15. It’s not his fault. It never is.

Could not have said it better myself. Actually I have said exactly that on many occasions about this guy. It’s the key point here and I reckon that’s exactly what we’ll be hearing from Trump supporters everywhere over the next three months:

“It’s not his fault. It never is.”
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August 14, 2016 10:07am
Rachael Membery

I was having a ‘discussion’ with a friend of mine Friday night, lol I have few, anyway she is a Maori academic. Oh god, I hear the collective sigh. Anyway I was saying to her that I had another old male ‘friend’ in his 50’s who married a Filipino lady, who is now in her 40’s,they have been married maybe 6 years (clearly a saint of a woman). Even he admits that it was so that she could get NZ citizenship…there were mutual benefits, t.m.i.

So he has one child and got ‘fixed’, his new wife wanted a child, and to this end they were eligible for three i.v.f sessions on the Government. I actually have a problem with that, my friend didn’t. The procedures were unsuccessful, but what do other people think?
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August 14, 2016 10:10am
All_on_Red

Crone (and Thomas) needs to step aside and allow Palino to be the candidate. If she stays the vote will be split and we’ll end up with Goff.
That won’t be good. He just hasn’t got the guts needed to sort the Executive out with their wasteful spending.
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August 14, 2016 10:12am
mikenmild

SGA
It seems likely that Kriss is part of the toll tag-team Legio/Witness that infested the blog a while ago.
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August 14, 2016 10:16am
Kriss X

Rachael Membery I think there should be no i.v.f. Ever.

They are trying to cheat nature. They are too old to be putting out kids, the risks increase dramatically.

Women want to go to uni, travel the world and sleep with most of it, play party girl, then suddenly latch onto a man when their looks start to fade mid thirties.

Having kids is a young woman’s game. It Gods plan and its mine.
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August 14, 2016 10:17am
holysheet

Rachael you just wait until your friend gets to be on the pension. His young bride will also be able to get it as well, if their income is below a certain level. So we will have the taxpayer paying an old age pension to her for the rest of her life.
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August 14, 2016 10:17am
mikenmild

Rachael
If it were feasible to send refugees back to their place of birth, then they would not be refugees. Do you think it would be a good idea to send millions of Syrians back to Syria in the middle of a war?
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August 14, 2016 10:18am
Kriss X

mikenmild , how many lashes do you reckon rape-victims should get ? Or are you more of a stoning man ?
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August 14, 2016 10:19am
trout

When justifying moderation of comments on his blog Chris Trotter described a range of unwelcome contributions. One of his gripes could well be applied to KB ‘ ‘Also vexatious are the tangential conversations and ideological disputations that ramble on between commentators. Though obviously engaging for their participants, they contribute very little to the overall enjoyment of the blog.’ Phil Ure (?) has long gone but there seem to be contributors willing to take his place and do their bit to turn off readers.
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August 14, 2016 10:19am
Rachael Membery

Lisa Owen was very rude to Vic Crone on the Nation, not asking her opinion in turn and even excluding her from answering on at least one occasion regarding how she got to the studio. Clearly no female bias.
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August 14, 2016 10:22am
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/83074072/the-jobless-in-christchurch-resort-to-advertising-themselves-on-placards

What a load of bollocks in this article. So much truth stretching and bullshit its hard to know where to start, so I’ll let you decipher , especially around the 90 day trial.

” At the end of each trial period he said he was given an “ultimatum” – either accept the minimum wage or move on.”

Well if that’s how it was handled he could easily go the employer for failing to follow proper procedure re 90 day trial period..but I somehow doubt that’s how it panned out..porkys much.
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August 14, 2016 10:24am
Rachael Membery

mikenmild (23,900 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 10:18 am

Yes, they should be there fighting for their country and way of life.

Would you leave NZ if we were at war and the war was here?
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August 14, 2016 10:25am
All_on_Red

Mikey
Nauru has illegal immigrants and asylum seekers from over 38 countries. Countries like Srilanka, Pakistan, Iran ( a lot from Iran) etc.
They aren’t all from Syria. The Oz govt helps legitimate Syrian refugees already.The common demoninater is that they travelled from Indonesia. Where they were safe.
They are free to go back to Indonesia anytime and the Australian govt will even give them money if they do.
They don’t have to stay at all.
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August 14, 2016 10:27am
Rachael Membery

Kriss X (327 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 10:17 am

Well you lost me at the young woman’s game, harder to contribute to society having them young. Better to have a foundation and assets to support those children on. Those children are more likely to succeed too. Of course the 63? year old Australian was ridiculous.
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August 14, 2016 10:31am
mikenmild

Rachael
By your reckoning then, there should be no refugees anywhere.
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August 14, 2016 10:32am
Ross12

Problems are brewing in Germany and therefore probably the EU

“As VoxDay noted appropriately, Germany’s elite is going to get a well-deserved one soon as German President Joachim Gauck was booed and attacked in the streets of Sebnitz, Saxony after he blurted out the following unbelievbable statement:

“The elites are not the problem, the people are the problem.”
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August 14, 2016 10:35am
Kriss X

Rachael Membery , I see your point, but I am talking about biology not ideology.

You are better off having them young. That is why there are so many fertility issues. A womens fertility plummets at 35. The risk of having issues increases too.
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August 14, 2016 10:37am
tom hunter

And another goodie from the same writer, Reince Priebus introduces Trump: Hey, the LA Times daily tracking poll still shows a tight race:

I hope Trump fans appreciate Reince’s performance here. It’s aimed squarely at them, to reassure them that the RNC is fully behind its nominee. You guys will still vote Republican in 2018 if Trump loses by eight points and then spends two years insisting Priebus stabbed him in the back, won’t you?

Won’t you?…… won’t you?

Sheesh – talk about sad and pathetic pleading. And it won’t work when the GOP is pulling shit like this:

… congressional Republicans increased the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights [OCR] with a very generous budget increase last year.
…
OCR is perhaps the most left-wing office in the federal bureaucracy. Bankrolling it that way Congress did was an egregious error (for which they were rewarded with the transgender guidance)

Who needs the Democrats in charge when they get what they want anyway?

There’s also an interesting analysis of the LA Times poll as well, with them trying a different method to most pollsters by sticking with the same people every time (about 3000 nationwide) and then polling a sub-section of them every day. The idea is try and catch swings, especially late swings to the Right such as the ones seen in the UK elections of 1992 and 2015.
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August 14, 2016 10:39am
stephieboy

mm,

“It seems likely that Kriss is part of the toll tag-team Legio/Witness that infested the blog a while ago.”

Good point !
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August 14, 2016 10:40am
wiseowl

Rachael
The guy should get a reversal.
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August 14, 2016 10:41am
All_on_Red

Yeah Stephie and what about you and your fellow Internet Party trolls?
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August 14, 2016 10:43am
starboard

“It seems likely that Kriss is part of the toll tag-team”

What, like MM , stiifbot , sam green, and sometimes that useless scottchris…hypocrites much
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August 14, 2016 10:44am
Rachael Membery

wiseowl (2,339 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 10:41 am

I do not think that the government should pay for that either. They paid for the original fix.
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August 14, 2016 10:46am
Rachael Membery

mikenmild (23,901 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 10:32 am

I expect that there will be ie Anglo saxon refugees finding it untenable to live in England soon. Or will that not fit the ‘refugee’ descriptor? Once NZ is f…..d, I have nowhere to go.
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August 14, 2016 10:51am
stephieboy

Rachel Memberry,

How many Anglo-Saxons find themselves in a middle of a civil war and battle zone ?

http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/03/13/15/syrian-civil-war-getty.jpg
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August 14, 2016 10:53am
Kriss X

stephieboy, still waiting to hear back on how many lashes you believe rape victims should get ?

This friend of Obama’s reckons around 90 is about right. Do you agree ?

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2ub-Ovr_OAhWCnJQKHTELBIsQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2F2015%2F04%2Fwhy-is-the-fbi-whitewashing-the-saudi-connection-to-911&psig=AFQjCNGSSCF9mA0t3KewioeVifIoQ6ga3g&ust=1471215221340579
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August 14, 2016 10:54am
SGA

Rachael Membery at 10:51 am

I expect that there will be ie Anglo saxon refugees finding it untenable to live in England soon.

People have been leaving UK/Ireland for centuries to escape famine, religious persecution, poverty, or just looking for a better way of life.
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August 14, 2016 10:54am
Kriss X

How many Anglo-Saxons find themselves in a middle of a civil war and battle zone ?

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How about you ask the French, Germans, New Yorkers etc
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August 14, 2016 10:56am
simpleton1

August 2012 report (declassified and released in 2015 under a FOIA request)

Who was president and secretary of state? , being the “West”, after this report giving warnings in 2012 and supporting the insurgency?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
A. INTERNALLY EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION

B. THE SALAFIST, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR fORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION, WHILE RUSSIA, CHINA AND IRAN SUPPORT THE CURRENT REGIME
…….. ———— ………

THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI IN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING THE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010, HOWEVER AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA,THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE SUNNI’S IN SYRIA.

So just how did alquaida, muslimbrotherhood, Syrisan opposition become ISIS taking over such a vast land area and create a major refugee problem, that was foreseen in this report.
With Western support?, under secretary state and President, all flying around having great meetings, demanding the Syrian government step down.

As touched on in the report there are other plans for isil supporters to fall back on if thwarted, like holding provinces .
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August 14, 2016 10:57am
Rachael Membery

SGA (4,041 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 10:54 am

Mine included, but I wouldn’t have called them refugees, pioneers possibly. So can white people qualify for the refugee label and thereby elicit sympathy?
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August 14, 2016 11:00am
stephieboy

All On Red ,

entertain yourself with Donald’s Flip Flops that are guaranteed to make you dizzyingly drunk ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTtD-2_VgTQ

Enjoy !

Kriss X, yes successive US administrations including Republican ones have had and continue to have diplomatic relationships with Saudia Arabia ,

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-09-12/news/9203230180_1_saudi-arabia-jet-sale-f-15

Your point ?
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August 14, 2016 11:02am
Kriss X

simpleton1, ISIS are a small localised group. The Saudis are the real force and source of money internationally.

All ISIS want is what the Saudis already have: An intolerant shria law Sunni Muslim state.

Obama is a BIG fan of the Saudis and they are currently his biggest arms customer.
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August 14, 2016 11:04am
SGA

@Rachael Membery
Pioneers – some, others incidentally – The US pilgrims were looking for religious freedom, many Irish were escaping famine (to pick two obvious examples).
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August 14, 2016 11:05am
stephieboy

Kriss X , dummy ! US Republican Presidents were also big fans of the Saudis as my link above shows .
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August 14, 2016 11:06am
Kriss X

So can white people qualify for the refugee label and thereby elicit sympathy?

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Rachael Membery LOL 🙂

SGA does not care about people. Commies like him simply want modern Western society destroyed and then have evil lunatics like him rule over the ruins.
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August 14, 2016 11:06am
stephieboy

Kriss , your obviously mad ! Seek help as a matter of urgency !

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/56087880-the-outdoor-exercise-yard-at-the-mason-clinic-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QLrbObUVpdxNGmpjX558BpIpn1fMlzOZL4%2Fn5%2BgXGWy8N5Bbep%2BV4t%2BY1fStY1%2Fb1w%3D%3D
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August 14, 2016 11:08am
Kriss X

Secret Service Agent Says Obama Is Muslim & Gay In New Tell-All Book

The Black House

http://newsexaminer.net/entertainment/secret-service-agent-says-obama-is-gay-muslim/

Not really news to anyone though. 🙂
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August 14, 2016 11:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

More information about sexual assaults at Swedish Music Festival……

Take home message: Swedish girls and women should learn to live with being groped and raped

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8579/sweden-sexual-assaults

or …. it’s the hot weather that’s responsible for the raping
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/11/swedish-prof-hot-weather-not-rapey-migrants-driving-swedens-place-as-the-rape-capital-of-the-world/
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August 14, 2016 11:10am
Kriss X

Take home message: Swedish girls and women should learn to live with being groped and raped

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stephieboy reckons those hussies should get a few lashes to put things right. Its his “culture” apparently.

Edit: Now he is accusing the victims of lying about it all. FFS !
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August 14, 2016 11:13am
stephieboy

Maggy Wassilieff,

My earlier link following suggests the claims were largely untrue ,

Mail Online sex attack story ‘filled with lies’, Swedish woman says

Lisen Andréasson Florman says Daily Mail website wrongly reported she had been victim of sexual assault at music festival,

“A Swedish woman has accused the Mail Online of falsely representing her as the victim of a sexual assault in an article about sex attacks allegedly perpetrated by “foreign youths” at a music festival.

Lisen Andréasson Florman told the Guardian she was shocked to discover herself cast as the victim of an assault, and said she felt “violated” by the Mail Online report.

The article had contained extensive quotes from Andréasson Florman describing a sexual attack at the hands of a group of men, who groped her breasts and left her feeling “small and vulnerable”.

Lisen Andréasson Florman says she feels violated by the Mail Online.

“No one groped my breasts, despite what the Daily Mail claims in both headline and story. The Daily Mail has published a piece of sensationalistic writing, filled with lies. The newspaper has consciously distorted my quotes, stolen private photos and lied. All in order to confirm a story that serves an agenda that isn’t mine and to tell a story that isn’t true,” she wrote in a Facebook post…”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/15/mail-online-sweden-music-bravalla-festival-sex-attack-story
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August 14, 2016 11:13am
All_on_Red

Well that’s ‘one’ Stephie.
What about all the others?
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August 14, 2016 11:19am
Notsofast

So Brendan Dassey will go free. About time, how dare those American cops prosecutors and judges behave so badly? Thank the Lord it could never happen here, how we laugh at their gun laws and strange ways.
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August 14, 2016 11:22am
stephieboy

Kriss X ,

Goerge W Bush enjoying some cordial hospitality by Saudi Royalty ,

http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/AP-Bush-Saudi.jpg

and ,

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080516/080516-bushabdullah-hlrg-8a.grid-6×2.jpg
All On Red , “one” ? Likely others find better things to do than dealing with deluded Trumpkins such as yourself .

Obviously King Abdullah and GWB very happy chappies !

Personally, I find it entertaining but obviously has its limits !
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August 14, 2016 11:26am
simpleton1

Well Kriss X, localized, but look at the affiliates,that are spread around the world, and even the UN secretary general sees that it is an increasing problem.
You make it sound as if localizing is not a problem, and after all we are supposed to think of de-centralizing.
Well like all locals, a bit of money to come out of a “sugar daddy” is always good for their common purposes

http://www.albawaba.com/news/un-chief-ban-ki-moon-says-daesh-has-allegiance-34-militant-groups-802184 By the end of last year, 34 organizations had sworn allegiance to the Islamic State, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said February 5. That number will continue to rise in 2016, he warned.

“The recent expansion of the [Daesh] sphere of influence across west and north Africa, the Middle East and south and southeast Asia demonstrates the speed and scale at which the gravity of the threat has evolved in just 18 months,” he said.

The secretary general added ISIS is the wealthiest terrorist organization, with revenues of up to $500 million in 2015.

Well plus a few more more now

1. al-I’tisam of the Koran and Sunnah [Sudan] – 1 Aug. 2014 – Support

2. Abu Sayyaf Group [Philippines] – 25 Jun. 2014 – Support

3. Ansar al-Khilafah [Philippines] – 14 Aug. 2014 – Allegiance

4. Ansar al-Tawhid in India [India] – 4 Oct. 2014 – Allegiance

5. Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) [Phillippines] – 13 Aug. 2014 – Support

6. Bangsmoro Justice Movement (BJM) [Phillippines] – 11 Sep. 2014 – Support

7. Jemaah Islamiyah [Philippines] 27 Apr. 2015 – Allegiance

8. al-Huda Battalion in Maghreb of Islam [Algeria] – 30 Jun. 2014 – Allegiance

9. The Soldiers of the Caliphate in Algeria [Algeria] – 30 Sep. 2014 – Allegiance

10. al-Ghurabaa [Algeria] – 7 Jul. 2015 – Allegiance

11. Djamaat Houmat ad-Da’wa as-Salafiya (DHDS) [Algeria] 19 Sep. 2015 – Allegiance

12. al-Ansar Battalion [Algeria] 4 Sep. 2015 – Allegiance

13. Jundullah [Pakistan] – 17 Nov. 2014 – Support

14. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) [Pakistan/Uzbekistan] Video – 31 Jul. 2015 – Allegiance

15. Tehreek-e-Khilafat [Pakistan] – 9 Jul. 2014 – Allegiance

16. Leaders of the Mujahid in Khorasan (ten former TTP commanders) [Pakistan] – 10 Jan. 2015 – Allegiance

17. Islamic Youth Shura Council [Libya] – 22 Jun. 2014 – Support

18. Jaish al-Sahabah in the Levant [Syria] – 1 Jul. 2014 – Allegiance

19. Martyrs of al-Yarmouk Brigade [Syria] – Dec. 2014 – Part of IS – Allegiance

20. Faction of Katibat al-Imam Bukhari [Syria] – 29 Oct. 2014 – Allegiance

21. Jamaat Ansar Bait al-Maqdis [Egypt] – 30 Jun. 2014 – Allegiance

22. Jund al-Khilafah in Egypt [Egypt] – 23 Sep. 2014 – Allegiance

23. Liwa Ahrar al-Sunna in Baalbek [Lebanon] – 30 Jun. 2014 – Allegiance

24. Islamic State Libya (Darnah) [Libya] – 9 Nov. 2014 – Allegiance

25. Lions of Libya [Libya] (Unconfirmed) – 24 Sep. 2014 – [Support/Allegiance]

26. Shura Council of Shabab al-Islam Darnah [Libya] – 6 Oct. 2014 – Allegiance

27. Jemaah Anshorut Tauhid (JAT) [Indonesia] – Aug. 2014 – Allegiance

28. Mujahideen Indonesia Timor (MIT) [Indonesia] – 1 Jul. 2014 – Allegiance

29. Mujahideen Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem (MSCJ) [Egypt] – 1 Oct. 2014 – Support

30. Okba Ibn Nafaa Battalion [Tunisia] – 20 Sep. 2014 – Support

31. Jund al-Khilafah in Tunisia [Tunisia] – 31 Mar. 2015 – Allegiance

32. Central Sector of Kabardino-Balakria of the Caucasus Emirate (CE) [Russia] – 26 Apr. 2015 – Allegiance

33. Mujahideen of Tunisia of Kairouan [Tunisia] 18 May 2015 – Allegiance

34. Mujahideen of Yemen [Yemen] – 10 Nov. 2014 – Allegiance

35. Supporters for the Islamic State in Yemen [Yemen] – 4 Sep. 2014 – Allegiance

36. al-Tawheed Brigade in Khorasan [Afghanistan] – 23 Sep. 2014 – Allegiance

37. Heroes of Islam Brigade in Khorasan [Afghanistan] – 30 Sep. 2014 – Allegiance

38. Supporters of the Islamic State in the Land of the Two Holy Mosques [Saudi Arabia] – 2 Dec. 2014 – Support

39. Ansar al-Islam [Iraq] – 8 Jan. 2015 – Allegiance

40. Boko Haram [Nigeria] – 7 Mar. 2015 – Allegiance

41. The Nokhchico Wilayat of the Caucasus Emirate (CE) [Russia] – 15 Jun. 2015 – Allegiance

42. al-Ansar Battalion [Algeria] – 4 Sep. 2015 – Allegiance

43. al-Shabaab Jubba Region Cell Bashir Abu Numan [Somalia]- 7 Dec. 2015 – Allegiance

and exerting a strength in setting the laws in the now “house of islam”, in parts of Europe.

Just need a local branch in your locality, unlike Westpac.
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August 14, 2016 11:40am
Reid

Well that’s ‘one’ Stephie.
What about all the others?

A pwogwessive makes up their mind about how they would like the world to become andu then desperately tries to pretend that’s how it is now.

This is why stephie when he sees any situation he doesn’t like: i.e. which doesn’t equate to his fantasy, tries to find any counter-example at all no matter how weak, unrelated or factually flawed and triumphantly tables it like a child who suddenly found a fact their parents didn’t already know.

Some pwogwessives are so profoundly dumb they don’t even know this is what they’re doing, and stephie apparently is one of those.

So don’t expect him anytime soon to change his ways, because that, to him, would mean he’d become a howwible person, a non-pwogwessive, and that to him, would be tewwible.

It’s a shame he doesn’t realise just how terrible it is for the rest of us to endure this endless diatribe of meaningless dribble, and it’s also surprising that as a pwogwessive he willingly inflicts it on us, because they’re supposed to be nice people who weally weally care about others, aren’t they. But maybe he thinks we’re all evil conservatives who hate people so we deserve his “wisdom.”
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August 14, 2016 11:41am
waripori

There was a meeting called by the Trump campaign with the RNC in Orlando on Friday US time. It was widely reported as a “come to Jesus meeting” I guess that meant someone was supposed to see the light. Oddly enough, in a campaign where nothing seems to be a secret there has been no coverage of the outcome. All Trump has done since is hold a rally in Connecticut which is a state he cannot win. Anything heard from Paul Manafort lately?
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August 14, 2016 11:42am
Rachael Membery

stephieboy (13,089 comments) says:

August 14th, 2016 at 11:13 am

Maggy Wassilieff,

My earlier link following suggests the claims were largely untrue ,

What does ‘largely untrue mean? Can she speak for others? My Viking side anglicized to Anderson from Andreasson and introduced from I believe the rape and pillage of the Irish calls bullshit. Perhaps the media threw her in as a red herring.

If they are indeed ‘fair game’ under Islam then no one is safe. No, I do not subscribe to all men are rapists but a lot of those Muslim men have had little contact with women, let alone western women.

Do not ask me the name of it, but I was watching a Tom Hanks movie set in Saudi on Friday, it was quite boring but there ended up being a love tryst between his character and a female Muslim Dr. They went swimming, she was bare breasted, which I thought that even the portrayal was fraught with peril, I guess we shall see. My friend thought that her being bare breasted was safer than wearing a top as not as identifiable from a distance as a woman. if one takes movies as social commentary, it was certainly saying something. I appreciate that it was a portrayal and the actress not necessarily Muslim.

Would that be considered to be along the lines of Charlie Hebdo ? Not that Mohammed came into it, but
Islam certainly did.
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