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July 16, 2016 10:00am by David Farrar

So Labour and the Greens have merged it seems

From Facebook. You wonder if Andrew and Metiria bother to read what they are signing!

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Manolo

Enemies of New Zealand, unite!
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July 16, 2016 10:12am
dubya

I can save them the time and of this ‘homelessness enquiry’. People are homeless because:
1.) You closed the institutions.
2.) You made welfare a life choice and encouraged breeding whilst on it.
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July 16, 2016 10:15am
Ross Miller

well done with the Newsflash David … seems no place for the nice Mr Shaw and not sure where that leaves Aunty Annette.
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July 16, 2016 10:15am
Komata

‘But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart…’ (Matt 15:18A). A ‘Freudian Slip’ of some proportions methinks, but least we now know without any doubt whatsoever exactly what the situation is (despite the ongoing protestations about being ‘different’ from each other).

Thanks DPF; a good find indeed.
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July 16, 2016 10:19am
Viking2

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Very disingenuous. Where does it say that. They are cooperating for a housing inquiry, that’s fairly clear, well to me and I still speak and understand straight forward English.

Doesn’t do any good coming here with rubbish like that, just stirs up te unwashed and fills the pages with rubbish comments, the very thing that Stuff and Herald are accused of.
This blog used to be better than that.

Any way housing is an Achilles heel for the Nats. In many ways they have become a victim of their success in reversing our population loss.
The problem for them is that they had their heads down and arses up and were not watching the landscape.
The failed any reforms of the RMA and the Local bodies.
They have actually failed to identify the real issue which is first home buyers and how not to lump them with a half million dollar mortgage.
Building a few houses will help alleviate the problem for some of the middle class and may slow down the value increases in that segment but it will not fix the issue of housing for first home buyers on lower incomes. and No matter what you do in the way of subsidies and WWF and other social welfare distributions it just results in the taxpayer being screwed over.

We need to build factory units that can be placed on Govt. lease land without the 3 car garaging etc etc and that are basic and good. No fancy trimmings like fancy this and that’s. The owners can do that in the fullness of time.
Add some rules around ownership and we can do that for $250,000.
Well I could as could a lot of others.

First home buyers with lower incomes need a start and this was what we did in the past. Worked well.

Still, doubt that highly paid and out of touch Ministers will ever grasp that concept.
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July 16, 2016 10:19am
RF

Labour Party Co Leader. FFS. I know some Greens who will be screaming no no no……

Can’t they afford a proof reader.
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July 16, 2016 10:19am
Captain Mainwaring

Viking2 you’re talking crap.
How do you sell even the most basic house in Auckland for $250,000 when even half-sections cost $400,000?
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July 16, 2016 10:22am
holysheet

Once these leeches have had their mating ritual, the offspring will be a lilly livered red gutted piglet with its snout firmly affixed to the ponderous teat of its melon mother. Once it grows up it will transfer it’s snout to the taxpayers trough.
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July 16, 2016 10:23am
DifferentPerspective

Priceless!

They learned this trick from Helen Clark but don’t worry, they’ll burn it soon and then ~~(honestly, really, truly)~~ there’ll be no proof that Turei is as stupid as we all ~~know~~ think she is!

Dumber than a bag of hammers!
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July 16, 2016 10:25am
Reid

I’m guessing Clint wasn’t the guy who drafted that one.

I’m also guessing their stupid “enquiry” will yield nothing everyone doesn’t already know, except they’ll have spent a lot of our money finding that out and they’ll proceed to spend even more of our money pretending that somehow, they’ve added some value, somewhere, to something.
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July 16, 2016 10:30am
Happychappy

Viking2
When was the last time you posted something that Labour and the Greens have announced that is not fact.Andrew Little distorts the facts and I can’t remember you taking him to task
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July 16, 2016 10:31am
Ross Miller

Viking2 … can’t you read either, under Turei’s signature.
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July 16, 2016 10:34am
nasska

….”How do you sell even the most basic house in Auckland for $250,000 when even half-sections cost $400,000?”….

Because as V2 makes plain you’re not selling the home owner the land. They will pay a ground rental which could be tied to income. The other point is that not all developments need three garages & four bedrooms all with en suites. Without the crap it would be possible to build a 120 sq/m mass produced dwelling for $250K.

They will end up tomorrow’s slums but will reduce the wailings of the bleeding hearts.
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July 16, 2016 10:37am
soundhill1

holysheet (1,593 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 10:23 am

“Once these leeches have had their mating ritual, the offspring will be a lilly livered red gutted piglet with its snout firmly affixed to the ponderous teat of its melon mother. Once it grows up it will transfer it’s snout to the taxpayers trough.”

My my, we are in damage control!

This will a promotion for both and the forces which divided the Labour Party and were the reason behind Values Party (- Greens) from 1972 are finally being overcome.

And they will be fighting the corporatocracy TPPA lot whose snout is in the trough through public private partnerships where the private takes the profit and the public pays the losses.
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July 16, 2016 10:38am
ross411

Captain Mainwaring (1,986 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 10:22 am
Viking2 you’re talking crap.
How do you sell even the most basic house in Auckland for $250,000 when even half-sections cost $400,000?

1. Increase taxes on those who have worked for a living and built up savings, perhaps through “capital gains” taxes. And on those who aren’t smart enough to get in on the wealth redistribution.
2. Give the money through subsidised house building to “young people who are being cheated by the chinese” who deserve to own a home without paying the market value, with the unwilling help of those who thought they were saving to put themselves in a retirement home, add on an extension to for more children, or go on holiday perhaps to see distant relatives.
3. blah blah blah
4. .Presumably people who worked hard (or don’t get in on this redistribution) can suck it, and need to realise they are there to provide financial windfalls to others who complain rather than working towards something? Of course the houses will likely be bought by investors, and friends of Labour and Green politicians, and this will turn out to a horrendous debacle.

Isn’t that the only logic that works? But is never actually vocalised by the vague explanation-is-too-hard faction?
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July 16, 2016 10:42am
holysheet

Soundhill1, your not penny in drag are you?
You write shit just like she does.
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July 16, 2016 10:54am
soundhill1

holysheet (1,595 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 10:54 am

“Soundhill1, your not penny in drag are you?
You write shit just like she does.”

No.

Are you acknowledging normality of shills and sockpuppets on this group?
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July 16, 2016 10:58am
deadrightkev

Labour and the Greens is not where the real political game is. That is just a side show to distract normal decent mainstream voters that want jobs, law and order, structure and peace to blindly think that National is the only option.

The reality is that National is no different to Labour beyond smoke and mirrors. Not different in any meaningful way.

Take a look. John Key is the great white hope but he supports Obama, Cameron, Turnbull, Merkel and all the other globalists that want to import millions of taxpayer sucking lifestyle nomads from Syria and beyond to deliver “diversity” into the NZ cultural landscape.

That diversity doesn’t work so well does it? France is an awful wake up call to NZ.
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July 16, 2016 11:02am
Fletch

deadrightkev, you’re right … to a point. But just have a look at the things Andrew Little has been proposing recently and ask yourself if we are all better off if he isn’t in charge and capable of actually carrying them out. It’s a scary thought.

Labour’s process has always been to borrow and spend, borrow and spend, without any thought of how it is going to be paid back. Say what you want about John Key (and I don’t agree with a lot of what he is doing) but at least he seems to have got NZ back in the black – at least better off than we were under the fiscally irresponsible Helen and Co.
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July 16, 2016 11:08am
deadrightkev

Fletch

Don’t get me wrong I am not a hostile enemy of Key personally but I am very much an enemy of the politics and political allies he has aligned himself with globally. Their agenda is not a positive agenda for NZ.

Andrew Little is chicken little. I don’t even mention him. He will be gone next election because he doesn’t stand for anything that real people want. The Greens message is dying out too. That is why Trump is so popular and he will continue to inspire other leaders to come forward IMO. All NZ needs is one strong political leader who is prepared to stand up to the media for real people and keep exposing the progressive cultural diversity for the destructive bullshit that it is.
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July 16, 2016 11:22am
soundhill1

Fletch (8,973 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 11:08 am

“Labour’s process has always been to borrow and spend, borrow and spend, without any thought of how it is going to be paid back.”

No the real books were in a better state before John Key and his extreme borrowing took over.
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July 16, 2016 11:28am
Captain Mainwaring

“No the real books were in a better state before John Key and his extreme borrowing took over.”

Not true soundhill1. The cupboard was bare and Cullen admitted as much.
Then we got the GFC and the Christchurch earthquakes. Connect the dots.
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July 16, 2016 11:34am
Rachael Membery

With Winston as deputy? What fun. 😉
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July 16, 2016 11:40am
soundhill1

Captain Mainwaring (1,987 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 11:34 am

““No the real books were in a better state before John Key and his extreme borrowing took over.”

Not true soundhill1. The cupboard was bare and Cullen admitted as much.
Then we got the GFC and the Christchurch earthquakes. Connect the dots.”

Cullen could have borrowed to fill the cupboard. Had he had a spend up then we would have had bad credit and John Key would not have been able to borrow up big to give people a rosy feeling coming up to elections.

The Christchurch earthquakes have brought overseas insurance capital here and improved GDP, not worsened it.
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July 16, 2016 11:49am
All_on_Red

It seems many are forgetting that for any new house that a Reserve Contribution has to be paid. That can be tens of thousands of dollars. Then there’s the cost of all the professional advisors, Planners, architects, soil reports, road engineers, Quantity Surveyors etc etc.
The ‘cost’ of building a house is just not materials and labour.
Given Labour can’t even organise their own funding and the AC is such a complete disfunctional mess (Housing NZ is not far behind- some of their projects are almost farcical in how they are managed), then I have no faith in their ability to deliver a dog kennel, let alone 10,000 houses.
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July 16, 2016 11:57am
All_on_Red

Only sound hill could turn Cullen spending all the money and leaving the country with a bloated beaurocracy into a positive!
Sooo funny.
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July 16, 2016 11:59am
Adolf Fiinkensein

RF

They already have a couple of poof readers.
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July 16, 2016 12:04pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Bros, bros – patience….Simple typo by an over enthusiastic Labour Junior staffer…..Tuatara was also excited by this enquiry and signed in a jiffy…Chicken Little only worries about his side of things….nothing to see here…moving on….
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July 16, 2016 12:14pm
soundhill1

All_on_Red (3,418 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 11:59 am

“Only sound hill could turn Cullen spending all the money and leaving the country with a bloated beaurocracy into a positive!
Sooo funny.”

He spent and that is a way to keep the economy running.

In the USA they spend some 20% of their tax on military stuff to that end; keeping the big corporates happy.

But Cullen did not take Key’s path of big borrowing to keep the economy running. Now we run the risk of being taken over when we cannot repay, and Cullen was avoiding that.
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July 16, 2016 12:25pm
All_on_Red

Supply creates its own demand.
Govt stimulous is always a short term fix. It’s artificial. Eventually the music stops and when the money goes, so do the jobs
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July 16, 2016 12:51pm
flipper

Some times fuck-ups just happen….. and people inadvertantly leak their future plans

Labour, Greens, and the likes of V2 are all fuck-ups.

I hear that the fuck-ups applied to and secured the approval of the Electoral Commission to merge and to operate as …… The New Zealand Red Melon Party (2016).

Further, the Electoral Commission has approved their choice of the new party’s colour strip – deep red with a candy stripe of bile green.
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July 16, 2016 12:57pm
greenjacket

soundhill1: “No the real books were in a better state before John Key and his extreme borrowing took over.”

Liar liar pants on fire.

The PREFU 2008 had a $6.3 billion deficit. This was under Labour and before the GFC.
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July 16, 2016 1:03pm
stephieboy

deadrightkev , inform us about your plans to reverse our “diversity dividend ” and to what extent do you feel your ofttimes bizarre thinking represents mainstream thinking here in NZ ?
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July 16, 2016 1:10pm
G152

As if we didn’t already know Liebor and the Greens are thicker than thieves
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July 16, 2016 1:11pm
Johnboy

What’s happened to Yoza????

Damage control should have stamped on this! 🙂
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July 16, 2016 1:24pm
soundhill1

greenjacket (1,116 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 1:03 pm

“soundhill1: “No the real books were in a better state before John Key and his extreme borrowing took over.”

Liar liar pants on fire.

The PREFU 2008 had a $6.3 billion deficit. This was under Labour and before the GFC.”

The 2014 PREFU gives the net core Crown debt dropped to 10 billion by 2008. Then as National took over it started rising and by 2013 it was 55 billion.
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July 16, 2016 1:27pm
soundhill1

Goodness 4 red downticks to my figures. Seems as if several readers have trouble reading words and a picture may help. And rising before the Christchurch quakes and no faster after, in fact slower.
http://users.snap.net.nz/~bsandle/net_core_crown_debt.jpg
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July 16, 2016 2:17pm
Viking2

Captain Mainwaring (1,988 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 10:22 am

Viking2 you’re talking crap.
How do you sell even the most basic house in Auckland for $250,000 when even half-sections cost $400,000?
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Hmm, well just shows what a dumb fuck you and ross411 (1,739 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 10:42 am ………. really are then.

No brain power to speak off just unthinking trolls.

naaska is on track.
Except Naaska done right the can be developed over time into tidy places.
Been in a development twice this week where the houses are all the same around a tidy drive and courtyard area, all owned separately although the houses are not of the moveable variety. There is also another where the houses are on leased land and owned by the inhabitants.
One of the local Iwi has probably 40 little units built on their land. great views out to the coast.

But don’t tell those other smart types further up. Its just not possible to do this stuff in their tiny minds.
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July 16, 2016 2:18pm
Viking2

Happychappy (698 comments) says:
July 16th, 2016 at 10:31 am

Viking2
When was the last time you posted something that Labour and the Greens have announced that is not fact.Andrew Little distorts the facts and I can’t remember you taking him to task
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Obviously you don’t read well.
Not a Green fan nor a Labour fan nor for that matter a Nat. fan. Really only interested in idea’s and results, most of which seem to be seriously lacking.

oh and yes I did miss the signature.
So used to seeing the negative shit on here now I guess I can to the wrong conclusion.
Rarely see anything positive said here these days. Sad really.
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July 16, 2016 2:26pm
waikatogirl

When are you putting your name forward deadrightkev?
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July 16, 2016 3:16pm
Biscuit

Aw, Viking2, 2.26pm…

I agree with you that there’s far too much negativity in here.

The idea of a Labour/Greens/NZ First ‘troika’ fills me with a sense of deep unease, ha. but we should rejoice that we live in a democracy – that if and when the Nats’ time comes, they will leave office peaceably and the sun will come up the next morning … with no armies, shootings or riots involved.

And if that threesome is as bad as I suspect it will be, heh heh, we get the chance to turf THEM out after just three years … and, again, they’ll go peaceably, the sun will come up the next morning, no armies, shootings or riots will be involved…

It ain’t a perfect system but it knocks excrement out of the alternatives!

I just wish that this wonderful MMP environment would deliver more (even SOME) of the compromise we were assured it would bring in…
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July 16, 2016 3:18pm
Johnboy

“I just wish that this wonderful MMP environment would deliver more (even SOME) of the compromise we were assured it would bring in…”

It has Biscuit old chap. It’s made a nutter from the MacGillicuddy/Legalise Cannabis parties almost a serious player in the game of who gets to rule you and gets to spend your hard earned cash!

I find that far to much of a fucking compromise! 🙂
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