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Manolo

The crooked queen overcomes every obstacle:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/05/hillary-clinton-committed-perjury-benghazi-committee/
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July 6, 2016 10:20am
Scott

Tom Hunter – I actually think Donald Trump, if that’s who you are referring to, is making tremendous political capital out of this. His tweets and Facebook comments were out there within 20 minutes. The system is totally rigged is what he said and that’s demonstrably true.

However the subject is not about Donald Trump, it’s about Hillary Clinton’s deliberate mishandling of confidential information to escape oversight and accountability. And she lied about it and she lied about it and once again the Clinton’s get away with it. That’s the scandal here!
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July 6, 2016 10:21am
itstricky

I should have waited to post this, but I did not expect the decision from the FBI to come so soon, even though it’s what I expected – rules for little people and all that. So, even though I cannot take credit for the original this is Karmic – and in honour of mikenmild stepping forward to do the dirty work today rather than the usual suspects, I’ve changed it a bit from the other day.

I thought you said that, if you could, you’d just ignore all left wingers, tom? Seems to me that you’re spending a lot of your valuable time on creative writing.
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July 6, 2016 10:27am
stephieboy

Scott,

again the applicable statute ,

“The applicable statute, 18 USC793, however, does not even once mention the word “classified.” The focus is on “information respecting the national defense” that potentially “could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.” 793 (f) specifically makes it a crime for anyone “entrusted with … any document … or information relating to the national defense … through gross negligence (to permit) the same to be removed from its proper place of custody.”
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July 6, 2016 10:27am
Ed Snack

Just for interest, consider the case of Bryan Nishamura.

Here is the FBI itself, less than a year ago, charging one Bryan H. Nishimura, 50, of Folsom, who pleaded guilty to “unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials” without malicious intent, in other words precisely what the FBI alleges Hillary did.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kendall J. Newman immediately sentenced Nishimura to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials. Nishimura was further ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance.

According to court documents, Nishimura was a Naval reservist deployed in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, Nishimura had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers. Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media. He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment. In the United States, Nishimura continued to maintain the information on unclassified systems in unauthorized locations, and copied the materials onto at least one additional unauthorized and unclassified system.

Nishimura’s actions came to light in early 2012, when he admitted to Naval personnel that he had handled classified materials inappropriately. Nishimura later admitted that, following his statement to Naval personnel, he destroyed a large quantity of classified materials he had maintained in his home. Despite that, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched Nishimura’s home in May 2012, agents recovered numerous classified materials in digital and hard copy forms. The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

This case was the product of an investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Assistant United States Attorney Jean M. Hobler prosecuted the case.

So, simply careless, prosecuted immediately it was known, and all security clearances revoked. He must really wonder what might have occurred had HIS name been “Clinton” instead of Nishimura.
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July 6, 2016 10:28am
mikenmild

Scott
Emails, Benghazi, Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, Troopergate – when will any of those scandals turn out to have any substance?
It’s almost as though the American public will have to make a political choice as to who would be the better president: an experienced politician with quite a few fuck-ups or a pretend billionaire with a string of frauds behind him and no experience of public office.
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July 6, 2016 10:31am
itstricky

ROFL
This is almost as good as the death of the Colon Crag Conservative party.
Conspiracy talk and whacko ideas flying everywhere.

It’s like that thing, I can’t remember what it’s called. Where a mind gets stuck justifying a predetermined outcome because every piece of contrary information is also twisted to show that the theory is correct.

No criminal charges? Ohhhh, that’s because they were paid off.

LOL
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July 6, 2016 10:32am
Shawn Herles

Raymond Ibrahim: Made in Our Image: The Allure of ‘Moderate Muslims’

“One of the greatest problems with the much cherished “moderate/radical” Muslim dichotomy is that it’s entirely based on Western assumptions that have nothing to do with the realities of Islam.

This came out in a study published in Arabic (my recent translation here):

Islamic researchers are agreed that what the West and its followers call “moderate Islam” and “moderate Muslims” is simply a slur against Islam and Muslims, a distortion of Islam, a rift among Muslims, a spark to ignite war among them. They also see that the division of Islam into “moderate Islam” and “radical Islam” has no basis in Islam—neither in its doctrines and rulings, nor in its understandings or reality.

In keeping with various disturbing polls , the study found that everything associated with “radical Islam”—adherence to Islamic law (Sharia), subordinate position for women and non-Muslims, draconian punishments, jihad to spread Islam, and opposition to democracy—is a reflection of authentic Islam.”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/raymond-ibrahim-made-in-our-image-the-allure-of-moderate-muslims
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July 6, 2016 10:38am
cmm

stephieboy…

“… through gross negligence (to permit) the same to be removed from its proper place of custody.”

The “proper place of custody” for a US government email is on the correct US government email server. That is for both security and transparency reasons.

So putting it on a private server has removed it from its “proper place of custody”.

Game Over.

Are you sure you’re defending Clinton? If so she probably doesn’t want you for her legal team.
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July 6, 2016 10:42am
Griff

itstricky
I think that the incessant bullshit of politically motivated attacks is going to back fire .
Among the committed it makes little difference as we can see above.
However the uncommitted who decide elections will get sick of seeing all the bullshit with no actual result and begin to think those responsible are totally full of shite.

Motivated reasoning is the expression you want.
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July 6, 2016 10:42am
tom hunter

…. will get sick of seeing all the bullshit with no actual result and begin to think those responsible are totally full of shite.

Don’t look now Griff but you’ve just made an argument for Brexit.
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July 6, 2016 10:43am
peterwn

alex – you will be able to build the Chinese kitset houses even quicker if you cut the Allen key near the elbow and put the long piece into a battery drill.

Kitset houses are nothing new. NZ Railways made kitset houses (4 designs) and put them up all other the place – they are quite sought after now eg the Tarikaka St settlement ones in Wellington.

The Government should commission a standard set of designs and specifications for houses (say 10 or so types) as a ‘national standard’ which local authorities are obliged to issue building permits for cheaply.
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July 6, 2016 10:44am
Shawn Herles

“itstricky
I think”

No you don’t griffy.

“However the uncommitted who decide elections will get sick of seeing all the bullshit with no actual result and begin to think those responsible are totally full of shite.”

Good luck with that theory. 🙂
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July 6, 2016 10:44am
Griff

Tom 350 million the big campaign center point .
Total bullshite….
They dont and never have paid 350 million a week.
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July 6, 2016 10:47am
itstricky

Jihad Watch has been criticized for its portrayal of Islam as a totalitarian political doctrine,[9] and as such has been accused of Islamophobia.[10][11][12][13][14]

The Council on American–Islamic Relations (CAIR) called Jihad Watch an “Internet hate site” and claimed it is “notorious for its depiction of Islam as an inherently violent faith that is a threat to world peace.”[citation needed] Guardian writer Brian Whitaker described Jihad Watch as a “notoriously Islamophobic website”,[36] while other critics such as Dinesh D’Souza,[37] Karen Armstrong,[38] and Cathy Young,[39] pointed to what they see as “deliberate mischaracterizations” of Islam and Muslims by Spencer as inherently violent and therefore prone to terrorism. Spencer has denied such criticism.[40]

Benazir Bhutto, the late Pakistani Prime Minister, in her book Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy, and the West, wrote that Spencer uses Jihad Watch to spread misinformation and hatred of Islam. She added that he presents a skewed, one-sided, and inflammatory story that only helps to sow the seed of civilizational conflict.[41]

Robert Spencer has been described by some civil rights organizations including the Southern Poverty Law Center [42] and Anti-Defamation League [43] as a “hate group leader.”
Response to criticism
Spencer has responded to accusations that Jihad Watch is Islamophobic by saying that the term “Islamophobe” a label, “a tool used by Islamic apologists to silence criticism.”

More of that self gratifying theory justification, then? They call me an “Islamophobe”? Ohhh, that’s because there’s a conspiracy to silence me.

LOL
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July 6, 2016 10:50am
tom hunter

You’re rather missing the point of my comment Griff.

Oh – and html “blockquote” or “i” would be nice too.
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July 6, 2016 10:51am
Happychappy

I wonder how many of Penny’s supporters from Kiwi blog sent her best of luck messages today.Her appointment with the court today might cause the Judge to add her to Labours homeless figures.Lets hope that the law finally wins and this case comes to a end with Rates and court costs made to Auckland City Council.
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July 6, 2016 10:56am
Shawn Herles

itstricky posted:

“The Council on American–Islamic Relations (CAIR) called Jihad Watch an “Internet hate site” ”

Hmmmm……

‘FBI Reaffirms CAIR’s Terrorist Ties’

“Sixteen months ago, the word GUILTY was read in a Dallas court room a total of 108 times, as a jury convicted the Holy Land foundation, and each of the associated defendants of raising money to fund Hamas terrorism. Implicated along with those convicted was supposed Civil Rights organization CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations which lobbies the government from its headquarters in Washington DC. CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land case. Its leaders are frequent guests Network News Programs, where they are usually called upon to white wash some terrorist act.

One key piece of evidence in the case was the Wiretap evidence heard in the case put CAIR’s executive director, Nihad Awad, at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants hatched a plot to deceive Americans and disguise payments to Hamas as it launched a campaign of terror attacks. CAIR co-founder Omar Ahmad joined Hamas big shots at the summit.”

http://www.redstate.com/diary/jeffdunetz/2010/03/13/fbi-reaffirms-cairs-terrorist-ties/

So, itstricky thinks that CAIR, which the FBI has confirmed is an extension of Islamic terror group HAMAS, is a reliable source of opinion.

Just as griffy thought Loon Watch, wich is also tied to HAMAS, is a reliable source of opinion.

Itsricky, meet griffy. I am sure you both have much to discuss! 🙂
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July 6, 2016 10:59am
Fletch

Manolo, what law ? Being careless is not necessarily a crime .You see there has to be intent and there was no intent

It’s called gross negligence, as the law states.

There is no way of getting around this: According to Director James Comey (disclosure: a former colleague and longtime friend of mine), Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18): With lawful access to highly classified information she acted with gross negligence in removing and causing it to be removed it from its proper place of custody, and she transmitted it and caused it to be transmitted to others not authorized to have it, in patent violation of her trust. Director Comey even conceded that former Secretary Clinton was “extremely careless” and strongly suggested that her recklessness very likely led to communications (her own and those she corresponded with) being intercepted by foreign intelligence services.

Yet, Director Comey recommended against prosecution of the law violations he clearly found on the ground that there was no intent to harm the United States.

In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

To be honest, there is no getting around the fact that Hillary Clinton set up her own homebrew email server so that she wouldn’t be accountable to anyone and could control what emails the Govt saw. There is no other reason. The fix is in, alright. If it were anyone else, they’d be in prison.
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July 6, 2016 10:59am
Don the Kiwi

This is the take of a friend of mine, a lawyer in Illinois, who is a staunch Republican:

LAWS ARE FOR LITTLE PEOPLE.
That is the only conclusion one can draw from the presentation by the FBI Director today. The mishandling of the e-mails was a strict liability offense, no mens rea required. In other words no criminal intent need be shown in regard to Hillary Clinton which would make the prosecution much simpler. Former Federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy at National Review Online explains how Director Comey in effect rewrote the applicable criminal statute to get Hillary off the hook:

There is no way of getting around this: According to Director James Comey (disclosure: a former colleague and longtime friend of mine), Hillary Clinton checked every box required for a felony violation of Section 793(f) of the federal penal code (Title 18): With lawful access to highly classified information she acted with gross negligence in removing and causing it to be removed it from its proper place of custody, and she transmitted it and caused it to be transmitted to others not authorized to have it, in patent violation of her trust. Director Comey even conceded that former Secretary Clinton was “extremely careless” and strongly suggested that her recklessness very likely led to communications (her own and those she corresponded with) being intercepted by foreign intelligence services. Yet, Director Comey recommended against prosecution of the law violations he clearly found on the ground that there was no intent to harm the United States.

In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence. I would point out, moreover, that there are other statutes that criminalize unlawfully removing and transmitting highly classified information with intent to harm the United States. Being not guilty (and, indeed, not even accused) of Offense B does not absolve a person of guilt on Offense A, which she has committed.

There is a reason why mishandling of classified information is usually a strict liability offense. The government wants to convey to the individuals the gravity of the trust which has been granted to them and that there are severe penalties for handling such material in a negligent manner which, according to the FBI Director is precisely what Clinton did. Many individuals have been prosecuted for such offenses. That Clinton is not being subject to such prosecution is solely a result of who she is. This reduces our criminal justice system to a farce where the powerful skate while those without power feel the full wrath of the law.
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July 6, 2016 11:00am
itstricky

Motivated reasoning is the expression you want

Yes, thanks. I think there’s an even more extreme/abstract one, that is used by psychologists for out-n-out conspiracy theorists who twist every new observation into a positive bias for their beliefs. But that terms explains the basics.
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July 6, 2016 11:00am
Griff

Umm Shawn
The uk government has banned both Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer from entering as they are considered extremists and hate bloggers.
So is the uk government a terrorist organization in your view ?
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July 6, 2016 11:07am
Shawn Herles

Given that stephie, griffy and itsricky have all been exposed regurgitating propaganda from webshites and organisations run by Islamic terrorists, we are back to this question: Are they being paid to do so, or are they just remarkably stupid and gullible?

Could go either way! 🙂
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July 6, 2016 11:08am
Lucia Maria

DENIAL Official Trailer (2016) Rachel Weisz, Andrew Scott Movie

The upcoming film “Denial” dramatizes American Jewish historian Deborah Lipstadt’s real-life legal battle with prominent Holocaust denier British historian David Irving in the 1990s. The lead is played by British Jewish actress Rachel Weisz.

…

British playwright David Hare adapted Lipstadt’s book “History on Trial: My Day in Court With a Holocaust Denier” for the screenplay. Book and film recount how Irving sued Lipstadt for libel in England for calling him a “Holocaust denier.” Because English libel law puts the burden of proof on the defendant, Lipstadt essentially had to prove that the Holocaust happened to win the case.

Mick Jackson directed the film. Timothy Spall co-stars as Irving.

Lipstadt is now the Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish History and Holocaust Studies at Emory University.

Source: haaretz.com

It’s a pity it’s not coming soon to NZ according to Flicks.co.nz, but we do get crap like Snowden by Oliver Stone, trying to make the defector Snowden into some sort of hero.
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July 6, 2016 11:09am
Fletch

Umm Shawn
The uk government has banned both Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer from entering as they are considered extremists and hate bloggers.
So is the uk government a terrorist organization in your view ?

The U.K government is engaging in Islamic apologetics. Truth is now the new “hate speech”. Even Churchill’s speech on Muslims would be deemed hate speech nowadays. Doesn’t make it any the less true.
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July 6, 2016 11:10am
itstricky

So, itstricky thinks that CAIR, which the FBI has confirmed is an extension of Islamic terror group HAMAS, is a reliable source of opinion.

I think that you forgot the three other places that also suggested that JihadWatch was a hate group, Shawn.

And here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American%E2%80%93Islamic_Relations

You can read the whole story, of all allegations, from both sides, without having to rely on just a one sided view of a Conservative website.

I can Google as well as you, Shawn.
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July 6, 2016 11:12am
Stars And Stripes

Government invests $260 million in McDonald’s and other fast-food
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/81802404/government-invests-240m-million-in-mcdonalds-and-other-fastfood

Some more flowery nonsense today about ethical investment.
Fast food in NZ is as ethical as it comes as the companies invest a huge amount of resources in the indigenous population and fulfilling their obligations to provide cheap fast food as stipulated in the Treaty of Waitangi.
I reckon some of the only unethical companies in NZ are ones like Fonterra who give free milk to bludgers under the breakfast in schools program.
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July 6, 2016 11:14am
Shawn Herles

“I can Google as well as you, Shawn.”

Obviously not, if you were dumb enough to fall for HAMAS propaganda itsricky.

“I think that you forgot the three other places that also suggested that JihadWatch was a hate group”

You mean other Muslims and their retarded Liberal-Left apologists? Yeah, I’m going to take them very seriously. 🙂

“without having to rely on just a one sided view of a Conservative website.”

The FBI itsricky? So, the FBI was right to not indict Hillary, but it’s wrong about CAIR having proven ties to HAMAS?

Hmmmmm….

Have you been taking debate lessons from griffy? 🙂
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July 6, 2016 11:16am
G152

In five or so years time all those chippies, plumbers and electricians
are going to be out of work.
The houses will have been built and the ‘homeless’ will, for reasons
known only to themselves, remain ‘homeless’
Others will live in their cars but you’ll not hear a whisper from Liebor.
Houses will appreciate in value as the interest rates paid by banks
will be so low as to be not worth saving.
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July 6, 2016 11:19am
Shawn Herles

Face it itstricky, you got caught brainlessly repeating propaganda from a group with very close ties to an Islamic terrorist organisation.

You, along with stephie and griffy, have been exposed as mindless dupes and useful idiots for Islam.
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July 6, 2016 11:24am
itstricky

You mean other Muslims and their retarded Liberal-Left aplogists? Yeah, I’m going to take them very seriously.

And yet you expect me to take your continual extracts from hate groups and hard Conservative websites as fact? Go figure.
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July 6, 2016 11:26am
itstricky

Face it itstricky, you got caught brainlessly repeating propaganda from a group with very close ties to an Islamic terrorist organisation.

Like I said, read both sides to the story, from the Wikipedia page and you’ll see it’s not as simple as you make it out to be.

And, I quoted from Wikipedia. Hey, it’s not “the truth” either but I tend to believe it’s multitude of pages of community edited information and background history more than I trust something pasted by Shawn from a random http://www.ihatemuslims.com or a random http://www.relgioconservatives.com page. And it’s obvious that they are that, when you look at the extremity of their claims and justifications.

Of course, if you’re a person who is of the opinion that I am just part of a large effort to silence “the truth” as Robert Spencer is, then I can see why you behave the way you do.
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July 6, 2016 11:32am
stigie

“Lets hope that the law finally wins and this case comes to a end with Rates and court costs made to Auckland City Council.”

Tell me what’s going to be any different today? More stalling tactics from the demented women who’s bullshit has had her not paying rates and arrears for the last 9 fucking years who has been using the services that other decent ratepayers have been paying for. One of Aucklands biggest thief and bludger !~
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July 6, 2016 11:40am
Shawn Herles

“Like I said, read both sides to the story, from the Wikipedia page”

I’ll take the opinion of the FBI, which was based upon a wiretap of CAIR, proving they were in cahoots with HAMAS, over opinions posted on Wikipedia itsricky.

“One key piece of evidence in the case was the Wiretap evidence heard in the case put CAIR’s executive director, Nihad Awad, at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants hatched a plot to deceive Americans and disguise payments to Hamas as it launched a campaign of terror attacks. CAIR co-founder Omar Ahmad joined Hamas big shots at the summit.”

Useful. Idiot. 🙂
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July 6, 2016 11:43am
itstricky

Just saw this one:

Given that stephie, griffy and itsricky have all been exposed regurgitating propaganda from webshites and organisations run by Islamic terrorists, we are back to this question: Are they being paid to do so…

That’s massively hilarious given I just posted about the propensity of conspiracy theorists to do exactly what you just did.

You’re unhinged Shawn. Increase your reading material to something other than religious Conservative sites before they suck you down a black hole you’ll never get out of.
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July 6, 2016 11:43am
Griff

Pawn will ignore any evidence you present no matter the source
If he thinks it is dodgy he bleats on for days about the source and ignores the information
I had that with right wing terror.
Twenty odd sources for the same information and shewn ignored it all except one slightly dodgy site for weeks.
The dodgy site had the same sources for data as all the other ones .
The FBI .
Exactly the same happened over western Europe’s terrorism .
Attack one source for weeks and ignore the confirmation from a number of others .
If you get past that he starts using straw men arguments.
Making up the opponents position then demolishing it or twisting your statements to something else and demolishing that.
Its like debating with a kid .
loony tune……
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July 6, 2016 11:49am
itstricky

Umm Shawn
The uk government has banned both Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer from entering as they are considered extremists and hate bloggers.
So is the uk government a terrorist organization in your view ?

I think I can answer that one for him, seeing as he hasn’t.

The UK Government are a bunch of Liberal Left-tard useful idiot dhimmis.

You don’t need reason, nor a entire Government department of people specially trained to investigate backgrounds. You just need a slogan like “Liberal left-tard useful idiots who have been paid to silence the truth from getting out”

Pretty much sorts out all arguments.
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July 6, 2016 11:49am
cha

Is The Donald Putin’s candidate?.

Donald Trump is like the Kremlin’s favored candidates, only more so. He celebrated the United Kingdom’s exit from the EU. He denounces NATO with feeling. He is also a great admirer of Vladimir Putin. Trump’s devotion to the Russian president has been portrayed as buffoonish enthusiasm for a fellow macho strongman. But Trump’s statements of praise amount to something closer to slavish devotion. In 2007, he praised Putin for “rebuilding Russia.” A year later he added, “He does his work well. Much better than our Bush.” When Putin ripped American exceptionalism in a New York Times op-ed in 2013, Trump called it “a masterpiece.” Despite ample evidence, Trump denies that Putin has assassinated his opponents, “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that.” In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven: “At least he’s a leader.” And not just any old head of state: “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/vladimir_putin_has_a_plan_for_destroying_the_west_and_it_looks_a_lot_like.html
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July 6, 2016 11:49am
Shawn Herles

@itsricky

“I think I can answer that one for him, seeing as he hasn’t.

The UK Government are a bunch of Liberal Left-tard useful idiot dhimmis.”

Sadly true itsricky, and yes that includes the so-called “tory” party. Well done, you got one thing right.

@griffy

“Pawn will ignore any evidence you present no matter the source”

Well most rational people would think “evidence” from Islamic terrorist sources is iffy griffy.
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July 6, 2016 11:57am
Griff

Well most rational people would think “evidence” from Islamic terrorist sources is iffy griffy.

See what I mean.
Still what do you expect from someone who claimed prayer makes hands grow back?
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July 6, 2016 12:03pm
Shawn Herles

Griffy and stephie are waiting in the Fap Cave, playing the new liberal-left board game, Hide the Muslim Terrorist.

Suddenly an alarm goes off and red lights begin to flash.

Stephie: “Griffy look! Someone on Kiwiblog is saying bad things about Islam!”

Griffy: “NO! I will not stand for this! Everyone knows it’s really rightwingxtianzombiemunchers who are the real threat!”

Stephie: “What should we do griffy?”

Griffy: “What we always do my completely non-homosexual special friend, fap furiously for Allah!”

Stephie: “Yaaaay, lets do it griffy!”

Griffy: “Imediately my completely non-homosexual special friend! Quick, to the Fap Mobile, away!”

Itsricky: “Wait for me, wait for me, I want to fap for Allah too!!!”

🙂
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July 6, 2016 12:08pm
Griff

You are actually embarrassing shewn .
In a look at the poor retard whanging off in public way.
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July 6, 2016 12:12pm
mikenmild

Time for a cup of tea and a lie-down, Shawn. You will work yourself into a frenzy with that fevered imagination of yours.
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July 6, 2016 12:15pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , you’re at peace with Donald cosying up to Vladimir as per cha just above ?

Also the UK government also banned no Nazi White Nationalist Mathew Heimbach. No different to Geller and Spencer when you think about ti.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/148762/government-bans-american-neo-nazi-coming-britain
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July 6, 2016 12:17pm
cha

The theological shit stain behind the Dhaka attacks.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/dhaka-attackers-followed-controversial-indian-islamic-preacher-zakir-naik-report-1428151

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik
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July 6, 2016 12:29pm
BassilFawlty

My work colleague suggested a year or so ago that there is indeed a housing crisis in Auckland, my reply to him at the time was that there was more likely a housing crisis in Murupara where presently a section is on the market for $16,000 and has been since December. A crisis is something that (according to google) is “a time of intense difficulty or danger”.

There is indeed a “danger” in Murupara that you will be unable to sell a property there if you are unlucky enough to own one, and it would be “difficult” to manage a tenant in a place such as Murupara, you will understand this if you have ever passed through the place.

In Auckland I grant that there is indeed some difficulty in owning the ¼ acre dream but there are other options such as apartments for first home buyers. It is not a crisis.

Take a look around Murupara here: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-38.4583416,176.7063434,3a,75y,88.59h,76.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ-cZnXULFUblwL_TYzX6qw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
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July 6, 2016 12:38pm
cmm

@Shawn:

“Are they being paid to do so,”

Haven’t you read the memo? Of course not.

The only people who you are allowed to say are paid to write stuff are:
* Global warming deniers (being paid by Big Oil)..
* Anyone that attacks Greenpeace (being paid by the Big Chemical and Big Oil…).
* Anyone who attacks Muslims (being paid by Israel)
…
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July 6, 2016 12:48pm
stephieboy

cmm, more bubble gum for SH’s and your brain ?
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July 6, 2016 12:51pm
kowtow

Housing “crisis”.

Government (both parties) policy to import Asians ,who are canny property investors ( speculators) ,relatively wealthier than the natives and are driving house prices beyond the means of average New Zealanders.

Crisis? Definitely.
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July 6, 2016 12:55pm
Captain Mainwaring

“My work colleague suggested a year or so ago that there is indeed a housing crisis in Auckland, my reply to him at the time was that there was more likely a housing crisis in Murupara where presently a section is on the market for $16,000 and has been since December. A crisis is something that (according to google) is “a time of intense difficulty or danger”.”
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BassilFawlty, the reason the $16K section in Murupara has sat for so long is that it’s massively overpriced in a town where most sections can be had for $5K. And you can get a section in Murupara with a 3 bedroom house on it for $40K. Might need a coat of paint and some new fencing but it’s still a cheap house and there are lots of them available in the town.
No, it’s not exactly Epsom, but there was a shopping centre and a gas station last time I looked, and the weather’s not bad.
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July 6, 2016 12:57pm
cmm

How do you say: “Speak English” in Te Reo?
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July 6, 2016 1:16pm
BassilFawlty

Captain Mainwaring (1,926 comments) says:
July 6th, 2016 at 12:57 pm

Fair enough, I guess I am just trying to say that “crisis” is in the eye of the beholder.
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July 6, 2016 1:23pm
Shawn Herles

@stephie

“Shawn Herles , you’re at peace with Donald cosying up to Vladimir as per cha just above ?”

Yes, I am. I have said for a while now the US and Russia need to put their differences aside and cooperate more, especially with regards to Islamic terrorism.

“Also the UK government also banned no Nazi White Nationalist Mathew Heimbach. No different to Geller and Spencer when you think about ti. ”

No, it’s no different if you DON’T think about it.

Pitty the UK government did not ban the Muslims who raped hundreds of young British girls in the Rotherham scandal eh stephie?

So, in your Liberal-Left world, allowing terrorists and child rapists to immigrate to the UK is fine, but people who say things you don’t like should be banned.

Your priorities are very revealing stephie. As are griffy’s and itstrickys. Muslim kiddy rapsts = good, right wing anti Jihad people = bad.

Very revealing.
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July 6, 2016 1:34pm
itstricky

Your priorities are very revealing stephie. As are griffy’s and itstrickys. Muslim kiddy rapsts = good, right wing anti Jihad people = bad.

That’s a very liberal interpretation of my statements Shawn. In fact, it’s so liberal, it’s an outright lie.
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July 6, 2016 1:36pm
Manolo

The religion of peace dispenses love around the world: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-congo-violence-idUKKCN0ZL1IP

Suspected rebels hacked to death at least nine people in northeastern Democratic Republic of Congo on Tuesday, the army said, the latest in a string of massacres that have killed more than 500 civilians since October 2014.

Rebels from the Allied Democratic Forces, a Ugandan Islamist group, snuck into a village near Oicha, 30 km north of Beni, under cover of a heavy morning rainfall to attack civilians in their homes, said Mak Hazukay, a local army spokesman. The victims included five women, Hazukay said.
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July 6, 2016 1:47pm
itstricky

The only people who you are allowed to say are paid to write stuff are:

Of course there’s a massive difference between professional lobbists and a random Joe commentator on a blog who accuses another of being “paid off”

One is real life, the other is a big dallop of paranoia with a side helping of delusions of grandeur.

Case in point. I don’t agree with Shawn. I think he reads to many news sources of one particular type and just spews them out here. But do you see me accusing him of being paid off by a shadowy anti-Muslim organisation?
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July 6, 2016 1:49pm
Shawn Herles

“Of course there’s a massive difference between professional lobbists and a random Joe commentator on a blog who accuses another of being “paid off””

There is a massive difference between lobbyists and Islamic terrorists, but you seem confused on that front.

” I think he reads to many news sources of one particular type”

I would happily bet good money that I read far more widely than you itstricky. FAR more widely. 🙂
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July 6, 2016 1:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

The Speaker’s tragic attempts to speak Maori emphasise what a patronising waste of time time whole charade is.
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July 6, 2016 2:03pm
doggone7

Just doing my bit to help Tim Macindoe today:

Comprehensive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan, comprehansive housing plan.
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July 6, 2016 2:24pm
mikenmild

I would happily bet good money that I read far more widely than you itstricky.

So there. In between theology lectures, Shawn also read all the Jack Chick books and comics.
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July 6, 2016 2:29pm
itstricky

I would happily bet good money that I read far more widely than you itstricky. FAR more widely.

The fact that you accused me of being paid to type out pro-Muslim statements and can’t tell the difference between a simple debate and all-in war tells me that, yes, Shawn, indeed, you read far far far far far far more widely than me. In the far far far far far back corners of The Internet.
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July 6, 2016 2:33pm
Shawn Herles

” In between theology lectures, Shawn also read all the Jack Chick books and comics.”

I rather like Catholics mikey. Don’t agree with parts of their theology, but nice enough folks mostly.

Sheesh mike, you can do better trolling than that! You didn’t even mention my supposed third hand! 🙂
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July 6, 2016 2:34pm
mikenmild

It gets enough mentions, Shawn. Your belief in faith healing and other illusions can be taken as read.
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July 6, 2016 2:40pm
Shawn Herles

No illusions on my part mikey. It’s just that reality does not conform to your atheist/secular fundamentalist belief system. 🙂
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July 6, 2016 2:45pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

“Shawn Herles , you’re at peace with Donald cosying up to Vladimir as per cha just above ?”

Yes, I am. I have said for a while now the US and Russia need to put their differences aside and cooperate more, especially with regards to Islamic terrorism.

I’ve seen you mention this before, and I’d made a mental note to get back to it and then here it is again. So, I’ve got to ask why on earth you consider Russia trustworthy enough to cooperate with, especially when the following is taken into consideration: Russia Is Sending Jihadis to Join ISIS, though I prefer the HTML title of Russia is playing a double-game with Islamic terror, which more accurately describes what the article is about. Why co-operate with a state that uses Islamic terror for it’s own ends?
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July 6, 2016 2:56pm
mikenmild

I think I can answer that, Lucia. Shawn has decided that Trump, for all his liberal past, is the only man who can save ‘Merica from Mexicans and Muslims. So Trump is good, therefore everything Trump is imagined to stand for, and anyone who supports Trump, must also be good.
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July 6, 2016 3:04pm
Shawn Herles

Hi Lucia,

“’ve seen you mention this before, and I’d made a mental note to get back to it and then here it is again. So, I’ve got to ask why on earth you consider Russia trustworthy enough to cooperate with”

I don’t consider the Kremlin to be particulalry trustworthy at all. Russia does have a bad habit of playing both sides, and of bullying it’s neighbours. But Andrei, when you strip away his Putin worship, bluster and anti-American nonsense, is not wrong that that is partly NATO’s and the EU’s fault. Especially when you look at things from Russia’s historical perspective.

Surely we are better off trying to work out the issues, and trying to improve trust on both sides. Another cold war is not in the interests of the West, or Russia. And we do have a common enemy, one that will require far more cooperation on the part of all of European civilisation.
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July 6, 2016 3:16pm
Captain Mainwaring

Anyone heard how things are going at the High Court?
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July 6, 2016 3:20pm
Griff

Yip childish black or white thinking.
Of course the real world adults inhabit has shades from black to white.
With extremists committing atrocity’s at both ends.
It is the extremism that is the issue.
Hence people like shown and the webshites he follows are part of the problem.
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July 6, 2016 3:20pm
wikiriwhis business

The cheats who are poisoning Britain
Written By: Austin Mitchell and Prem Sikka
Published: June 29, 2016 Last modified: June 29, 2016

In Britain, people complacently assume that corruption is something that goes on everywhere else and it is a matter of slipping a few quid to greedy officials. In fact corruption is a very British phenomenon, which has increased, is increasing and must be diminished.
Other countries complain of “regulatory capture” when the mafia takes over the cops. In the UK, it’s the norm. Regulation of chaps by chaps has never worked, and certainly doesn’t in an era of multinationals and huge financial institutions. Neoliberalism has given elites an insatiable lust for wealth by almost any means, which produces a drive to loot companies and pick people’s pockets for the self enrichment of few.
Britain has become a Taxhaven-on-Thames, with the City of London welcoming funny money from drug dealers, oligarchs, fiddlers and all those fleeing tighter regulation elsewhere. Britannia no longer rules the waves but it will waive the rules, provide money laundering and expensive London properties and a soft touch regulatory system. Those able to bend the rules for private gain are considered to be entrepreneurs.
The rot begins at the top. No other country sells seats in the legislature in the way UK gives peerages to party donors. Many countries have MPs on the make who fiddle their expenses or can be bought. Few operate our flagrant pantouflage with companies hiring former ministers and top civil servants to guarantee an understanding approach to their needs while the hirelings are in office and useful contacts and inside knowledge once they come over. Wealth and business buy access to ministers to suffocate threatening legislation.
Rich people control much of the media and use it to create a climate of opinion favourable to wealth. Selling household silver at knockdown prices in the guise of privatisation has become a common way of appeasing the wealthy. Royal Mail was undervalued by £180 million and council and social housing was sold at big discounts with much of which it then sold on to buy-to-let landlords who then put up the rents.
Gas, water and electricity have been privatised without effective regulation of what they can screw out of consumers or the scale of subsidy. The railways pay their £4-£5 billion annual subsidy to their shareholders leaving the government to finance HS2, Cross-rail and the railway tracks. The Private Finance Initiative (PFI) has been a bonanza for the private sector, handing 700 projects at a cost of £57 billion for building schools, hospitals, prisons and roads more expensively. The companies will receive £307 billion as well as keeping one in five of the assets. This is a major reason for the crisis in the National Health Service as health authorities have to cut their services to pay the PFI contractors which guarantee the profits of the corporations.
The Tomlinson report said that rather than rescuing distressed businesses, banks are engineering loan defaults so that they can move the client out of local management and into their turnaround divisions, generating higher revenue through fees, increased margins and devalued assets. In fact, the financial sector has been serially corrupt, with banking crises every decade since the 1970s. It has sold worthless pensions, insurance and mortgages and rigged interest and foreign exchange rates. Banking greed caused the recession of 2008 from which banks had to be rescued by huge sums of public money.

Iceland sent 36 bankers to prison; the only punishment here has been the loss of a couple of undeserved knighthoods. The fraud-ridden Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) was closed in July 1991 and over a million people lost their savings. To this day, there has been no independent inquiry. The government does not want to embarrass Middle Eastern Sheikhs and wealthy intermediaries in case they refuse to buy British weapons. We all remember how Tony Blair refused any inquiry into the allegation that BAE had won Saudi contracts by bribes.
The tax avoidance industry robs the public finances by helping companies dodge taxes. It is bigger, cleverer and better paid than HMRC, whose staff has plunged from 105,000 in 2005 to 58,000 now. Its budget has been cut to ensure that it can’t upset corporate tax avoiders. Since 2010 there have been only eleven prosecutions for offshore tax evasion. The Public Accounts Committee exposed the tax dodges of Google, Microsoft, Shire, Apple, Amazon, Starbucks and others. HMRC failed to bring even one test case.
Even when evidence is handed on a plate, HMRC is unable or unwilling to do anything. In 2010, evidence provided by Hervé Daniel Marcel Falciani showed that HSBC’s Swiss operations turned a blind eye to illegal activities of arms dealers and helped wealthy people evade taxes. Only one person from the list of some 3,600 potential UK tax evaders has been prosecuted. In January 2016, HMRC quietly abandoned its investigation.
In April 2016, a leak relating to Panama law firm Mossack Fonseca, subsequently known as the Panama Papers, showed that UK banks, lawyers and accountants are involved in flight of capital, tax evasion and avoidance. The UK sponsored tax havens, such as Jersey, Guernsey, Caymans, Bermuda and Belize are at the heart of illicit practices. HMRC will follow its usual practice of doing nothing.
PricewaterhouseCoopers, Ernst & Young, KPMG and Deloitte are key designers and marketers of tax avoidance schemes. On a number of occasions, courts have declared their tax dodging schemes to be unlawful. They have faced heavy fines in the US and even prison sentences for their partners. The UK does nothing except give them government consultancies and seats on committee writing tax laws.
As for regulation, forget it. The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) abandoned its investigation into banking culture because banks said they will now be good. The Serious Fraud office with a budget of only £35 million is incapable of cleaning the Augean stables. The police force is mired in corruption. A 2002 internal investigation codenamed Operation Tiberius was hushed up, but leaked to The Independent in 2014. It said organised criminals were able to infiltrate Scotland Yard “at will” by bribing corrupt officers. The same report also found that HMRC, the Crown Prosecution Service, the City of London Police and the Prison Service were also compromised. The Hillsborough enquiry showed the police rigging evidence and shredding crucial statements and any inquiry into Orgreave will probably show the same, while the Serious Crime Squad in the West Midlands had to be disbanded for its ability to arrest and imprison the wrong people.
Corruption has become endemic in Britain, Nowhere is safe from it. Yet the establishment turns a blind eye to it, government allows it so as to keep the money flowing in and the public complacently assumes that the channel protects us from it. All are wrong. Corruption damages jobs, savings, pensions, justice and social cohesiveness. The people get all too little protection and the state, which should be their defender and advocate, is dancing to the tune of wealth played on too many fiddles by too many fiddlers and greedy grabbers.
This government pours out fine words about its intentions to do something, but in practice it has done little to hurt its corrupt friends. That task will fall to Labour, assuming that corruption doesn’t stop it taking power.

Prem Sikka is Professor of Accounting at the University of Essex; Austin Mitchell is a former Labour MP

http://www.tribunemagazine.org/2016/06/the-cheats-who-are-poisoning-britain/
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July 6, 2016 3:20pm
wikiriwhis business

I asked a senior aged over 60 what National has ever done for this country and he said totally nothing

anyone want to refute that with evidence
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July 6, 2016 3:22pm
Shawn Herles

Right now I’m just wondering if griffy, stephie, mikey and itstricky are going to attack DPF as an extreme right wing Islamaphobic racist loon, or suddenly go very quiet. 🙂

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/07/a_rising_death_toll.html#comments
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July 6, 2016 3:23pm
SGA

mikenmild at 2:29 pm

So there. In between theology lectures, Shawn also read all the Jack Chick books and comics.

Why not! I’ve recommended them to dozens of people, especially my Roman Catholic friends.
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July 6, 2016 3:23pm
Shawn Herles

Griffy

“Hence people like shown and the webshites he follows are part of the problem.”

DPF just posted from the same “webshite” I used for my polls on Islam. Is DPF part of the problem griffy? 🙂

Are you going to be consistent and tell our host he’s a loon who is posting webshites griffy? 🙂
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July 6, 2016 3:25pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 3:25 pm

DPF just posted from the same “webshite” I used for my polls on Islam. Is DPF part of the problem griffy? ?

Maybe DPF is looking to crank up the comment numbers 🙂
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July 6, 2016 3:26pm
Griff

Read the post shank rather than gibbering.

The site has a good page on why you should always treat individual Muslims with respect and individuals and never harm or harass them or treat them differently.

That is not what you are busy doing .
So no DPF is not a gibbering loon.
however ….
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July 6, 2016 3:28pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , whatever DPF’s views are he certainly is not the Muslim bashing and hating ( Islamaphobic ) person that you are .
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July 6, 2016 3:30pm
Rich Prick

anyone want to refute that with evidence

Giving the Beast the arse-card must be one of National’s greatest achievements.
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July 6, 2016 3:31pm
Shawn Herles

But he posted the same webshite Griffy. So…………. 🙂

Griffy: “Sputter, sputter, ummmmm, yes well, ummmmmm, sputter sputter, but it’s different when DPF does it!”

LMAO!!!!! 🙂
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July 6, 2016 3:32pm
Griff

ROFL
Your fantasy world is getting further and further way from planet earth sonny
We did not name that site as one of your gibbering loony tune sources my poor deluded friend
So keep nattering away slaying your imaginary demons.
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July 6, 2016 3:36pm
Shawn Herles

Come on griffy, our host is not only using the same source I did, he’s saying exactly what I have been saying, that Islamic terrorism IS a threat we should be concerned about.

Show us how consistent you are griffy, show us if you really have the courage of your convictions, or not. 🙂
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July 6, 2016 3:37pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

I don’t consider the Kremlin to be particulalry trustworthy at all. Russia does have a bad habit of playing both sides, and of bullying it’s neighbours. But Andrei, when you strip away his Putin worship, bluster and anti-American nonsense, is not wrong that that is partly NATO’s and the EU’s fault. Especially when you look at things from Russia’s historical perspective.

Who are you and what have you done with Shawn? “Especially when you look at things from Russia’s historical perspective.” What, you mean their perpetual outward expansion until stopped by their neighbours. The last time the US trusted Russia, half of Europe was taken over until the end of the 80’s.

Surely we are better off trying to work out the issues, and trying to improve trust on both sides.

Good luck with that. What will happen instead is the American will be taken advantage of, again.

Another cold war is not in the interests of the West, or Russia. And we do have a common enemy, one that will require far more cooperation on the part of all of European civilisation.

The thing is, Russia is far more dangerous than militant Islam. By an order of magnitude.

I was really hoping Mike at 3:04 was wrong.
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July 6, 2016 3:39pm
Shawn Herles

“We did not name that site as one of your gibbering loony tune sources my poor deluded friend”

LMAO!!!! 🙂

BULLSHIT Griffy. You said the web sites I post from. You never said that one was ok. Come on griffy, where’s your courage and consistincy now eh??? 🙂
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July 6, 2016 3:40pm
mikenmild

Who has said that Islamic terrorism is no threat? Perhaps people should consider the appropriate response to that threat. The US has spent trillions of dollars and killed millions of people and is probably no more secure against terrorist attack today than it was in 2001.
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July 6, 2016 3:40pm
Shawn Herles

“The thing is, Russia is far more dangerous than militant Islam. By an order of magnitude.”

I don’t think that is a remotely credible claim Lucia.
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July 6, 2016 3:42pm
Captain Mainwaring

“anyone want to refute that with evidence”
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OK wikiriwank, I’ll re-post my post from 8:24.
You obviously missed it:

“I get very cynical when I see Full Moon King, using information supplied by her Labour stooges who National should have fired from the health sector, shrieking in Parliament about the current Government’s ‘failure’ to deliver adequate health care.

Back in the days of the Klarkenfuhrer (and Full Moon herself as Health Minister), Mrs. Mainwaring and I had couple of occasions to call on our medical insurance and we were very fortunate that we had it. Relying on the public health system at that time would have been a lottery, possibly with a very unsatisfactory outcome.

Now that we are retired and getting older every day, our health insurance has had to go by the wayside due to unaffordability, and thank God the Labourites are no longer in charge.

We’ve recently had a few issues which could have become serious if left on a waiting list for months, but in each case they have been dealt with almost immediately. Long may this situation continue.

Thank you, National, and keep up the good work. Eventually you will put the health insurers out of business, and that’s the way it should be.”
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July 6, 2016 3:43pm
Shawn Herles

“Who has said that Islamic terrorism is no threat? ”

Griffy. Repeatedly. Over and over. While you cheered him on and called me a loon.

How the worm turns. 🙂
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July 6, 2016 3:43pm
stigie

Hopefully Nostra will be with us later on any further action taken against Penny and her thieving..?
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July 6, 2016 3:44pm
dad4justice

” Klarkenfuhrer ”

Brilliant Captain.
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July 6, 2016 3:49pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

I don’t think that is a remotely credible claim Lucia.

Then you either haven’t been paying attention or are too dazzled by Donald Trump to care.
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July 6, 2016 3:53pm
stigie

Afternoon Dad, escaped the shop early i see ?
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July 6, 2016 3:54pm
wikiriwhis business

occassionally, the truth slips out, as Greg O’Connor revealed on TVNZ’s Q+A on 25 October, last year;

Fudging statistics, numbers, facts, and dollar-figures is not isolated when it comes to this government. Only a few days ago, English was sprung giving false financial information relating to Sue Moroney’s paid-parental leave bill;

This government has done what few other Western democracies have achieved; a state of Orwellianism that Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, and other dictatorships required unrelenting brute force to achieve.

In the last few years, my writing has involved a wide range of topics affecting the social/economic/political aspects of our nation. The one common factor in my writing has been the ability to research facts and figures and put them into some usable context, either for evidential, or high-lighting purposes.

Offering an opinion that the government is hollowing-out Child,Youth, and Family is one thing. Carrying out research; finding information through the ‘net; asking specific questions using the Official Information Act are the means by which hard facts can be mined; refined; and presented to the reader in a form that presents a credible case to the audience. Stories such as “State house sell-off in Tauranga unravelling?” and “Ongoing jobless tally” are put together using information, quotes, financial and statistical data.

Two stories late last year illustrated how National – with silence or active co-operation by compliant state-sector bosses – has been able to manipulate statistics to present a favourable public perception of it’s management of the country.
Though occassionally, the truth slips out, as Greg O’Connor revealed on TVNZ’s Q+A on 25 October, last year;

Fudging statistics, numbers, facts, and dollar-figures is not isolated when it comes to this government. Only a few days ago, English was sprung giving false financial information relating to Sue Moroney’s paid-parental leave bill;

English admits maths error in bill veto defence

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The Radio NZ report went on to state;

Ms Moroney challenged him about the figures in Parliament.

“Does he stand by his statement to Radio New Zealand on 17 June 2016 that extending paid parental leave to 26 weeks would add when it’s fully in place about $280 million a year.”

Mr English admitted he was incorrect and should have used the figures written in the veto certificate he himself had tabled.

“The government currently spends about $280m a year on paid parental leave, Labour’s proposal once fully implemented would cost around $120m per year on top of that – or $100m per year net of tax. Net of tax the proposal would cost $280m over the next four years.”

Ms Moroney then asked how Mr English got it so wrong.

He replied that he did so because he confused the $280m over four years, with $280m a year.

This is our Finance Minister confusing $280 million per year with over a four-year period. No wonder we’re over $60 billion in debt.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/07/03/lies-damned-lies-and-statistical-lies/
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July 6, 2016 3:55pm
dad4justice

What shop was that pest?
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July 6, 2016 3:57pm
Shawn Herles

“hen you either haven’t been paying attention or are too dazzled by Donald Trump to care.”

I have been paying attention Lucia. There have been multiple terrorist attacks in France, London, Belgium, and the US, amongst others.

None of them were Russian terrorists. They were Muslims.
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July 6, 2016 3:58pm
wikiriwhis business

“Thank you, National, and keep up the good work. Eventually you will put the health insurers out of business, and that’s the way it should be.”

Pfffffff

This govt just put millions into McDonalds . No wonder there’s no fat or sugar tax.
the govt is owned by US fast food outlets as well as the fuel industry, Dairy industry, power companies and of course the central bank.
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July 6, 2016 4:03pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

Did you read the article I linked to? Here it is again. It’s quite long and detailed, so it won’t be a 1 minute skim.
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July 6, 2016 4:04pm
Happychappy

Andrew Little and Phil Twyford making statements that John Key stopped his MP’s from agreeing to a enquiry on homeless people in NZ.Well what was and is the difference of Labour stopping their MP’s from voting for the TPPA in Parliament and trying to sabotage our Trade Reputation around the world Andrew and while we all acknowledge people that are homeless it has happened in NZ since the sixty’s and there is a lot of people that choose to be that way.It would be nice if you for once told the facts instead of what comes off the top of your head with little thought and no substance.
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July 6, 2016 4:04pm
Rachael Membery

Captain Mainwaring (1,928 comments) says:

July 6th, 2016 at 12:57 pm

And even more than that in Taumarunui, and the mountains within easy reach
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July 6, 2016 4:05pm
sam green

No comment so far from Farrar on McCully, the Saudis and the sheep deal. Why not I wonder?
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July 6, 2016 4:06pm
Shawn Herles

Hi Lucia. Yes I will read your links, I have saved them for later. But my time is short as I have to work tonight and I start at 5:30, bugger it! 🙂

I will check back with you about it when I can.

Blessings.
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