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mikenmild

Jack

In World War 1, Japan was a British-French-American ally, otherwise I wonder what would have happen to a well known, well liked Japanese man who skippered a boat working on the Clutha River.

Quite a well-known case. I’ve forgotten his name at the moment, but his son served in Italy in WWII and was decorated for bravery.
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July 30, 2016 11:34am
stephieboy

Rachael Membery

“I noted a reo option.”

But why not ? I understand you can google in te reo . Another attack of the giggles ?
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July 30, 2016 11:37am
Peter

Part of the problem is so-called “academics” spouting self-serving opinions.

Child abuse has nothing to do with colonisation, else you would see similar abuse rates in all cultures that have been colonised, which includes all of Europe, at one time or another. The causes include drug abuse, stupidity, lack of a work ethic and lack of personal responsibility. Address those issues and rates will no doubt fall into line.
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July 30, 2016 11:41am
Kimbo

@ Jack5

Re Kimbo’s 11.05 question to Odakyu-sen about internment of Japanese Americans in World War 2.

There Japanese-Canadians, too, in British Columbia. I don’t think the Americans would have been alone in interning them….

Indeed, and I wasn’t trying to target Americans as such. Just that that is the most-well known (and unconstitutional!) example that relates to the cultural perspective that Odakyu-sen regularly injects into our conversations with illuminating and interesting effect.

There are also examples, as you rightly point out, where we also interred during both wars. And kicked to death the occasional dachshund, renamed ‘German Shepherds’ ‘Alsatians’ changed our royal ruling house from “Saxe-Coburg and Gotha” to “Windsor”

But not only were those things, in hindsight kinda dumb (albeit understandable) and in some cases evil, that was a war with clear declarations of hostility, and specific combatants. Sorry, but I don’t see, cheerleaders in great stridency to the contrary here on KB, in the light of the “war on Terror” that all/many or even most Muslims are “enemies”.

I suspect the answer from Odakyu-sen, if and when he gets around to it (as he is always a gentleman) will be something to the effect “they shrug their shoulders, and seek to act in a way that it is unlikely to happen again”. But I’d still be interested to see the answer, as maybe I am confusing the Japanese with the eminently pragmatic Chinese culture…
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July 30, 2016 11:43am
EAD

Anyone remember when all hell broke loose in the Jewish media when that Black chap in Paris wasn’t allowed on a train by some boorish Chelsea supporters?

Front page news and even them Prime Minister (((David Cameron))) chipped in to condemn the rude behaviour. Yet we are now in a position when something like the below can happen and it probably won’t make Main Sewer Media news.

Unless you’ve had your head chopped off, attacked by a Muzzie with an axe on a train, run over by a maniac in a lorry or murdered with a machete, it’s not going to get reported on. As for being gang raped in a northern English town, well ((((they’ll))) just brush that under the carpet completely.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWatch/status/759073019264327680
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July 30, 2016 11:48am
Reid

Social Engineering 101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XegdPElp81A&index=52&list=FLTwmgZcCs33FTESpTRydogw
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July 30, 2016 11:51am
EAD

Hot off the press:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2016/07/a-manchurian-candidate.html?m=0
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July 30, 2016 11:52am
Reid

Follow
Saints Watch
‏@TheSaintsWatch
.@FoxNews SWEDEN #BREAKING “My ex was just assaulted by 9 migrants during lunch…”

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWatch/status/759073019264327680
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July 30, 2016 11:54am
stephieboy

EAD, still trying to figure out your support for Trump and his support for Israel ?

Admirable your ” reputable ” sources re Saint Watch let alone Irish Savant !

Reid, will the ex be laying charges ?
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July 30, 2016 11:56am
Fletch

Dick Morris, former political adviser to Bill Clinton, fills in the blanks in the speech that Bill gave, which he says was a string of omissions and half truths. Well, the guy was there so he should know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdg8Ab42l-c
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July 30, 2016 12:04pm
Harriet

“……..Child abuse has nothing to do with colonisation, else you would see similar abuse rates in all cultures that have been colonised, which includes all of Europe, at one time or another. The causes include drug abuse, stupidity, lack of a work ethic and lack of personal responsibility. Address those issues and rates will no doubt fall into line…..

Exactly.

Jews should be some of the most drug addicted, jailed, prostituted, under employed, under educated, poor, and drunken people on earth – given they are a victimised minority in all places excluding Israel. But the exact opposite is true, in that the Jews are some of the most wealthiest and healthiest people on earth no matter where they live – which also makes the argument that family, community, parenting skills, education, skills adapting to the environment, along with ambition, are the most important factors for one to succeed: Ambition to me seems to be the most important, as in the case of Jews they always used the saying “Tomorrow in Jerusalem” – that’s not only what the Jews were doing of course – but it is an example of what is needed; patience along with ambition and faith – the reality that you will face hurdles but that you will eventually succeed.
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July 30, 2016 12:07pm
Reid

Merkel is definitely spooky EAD.
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July 30, 2016 12:07pm
Ross12

“Making a direct pitch to lower-income and middle-class Americans, Clinton pledged to focus on areas of the country “left out and left behind,” and “places hollowed out by plant closures.”

“We’ve got work to do. I’m not satisfied with the status quo. I’m not telling you everything is peachy keen. I’m telling you we’ve made progress but we have work to do,” Clinton said. “We’ve got to make this economy work for everyone — not just those at the top.”

I wonder what Clinton will be saying to coal companies and the coal miners ? Probably by pass those areas of the “rust belt” or will she conveniently change her mind like she has on the TPP ?

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July 30, 2016 12:08pm
stephieboy

Yet another big farcical flip flop from Donald Trump,

“Donald Trump says was being ‘sarcastic’ in Russia hack comments ”

The Republican US presidential candidate, Donald Trump, says he was being sarcastic when he said Russia should look for thousands of e-mails his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, deleted from a private server when she was Secretary of State.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/82598903/Donald-Trump-says-was-being-sarcastic-in-Russia-hack-comments

I wonder if Trump’ advisers encourage him to ask foreign governments to spy on the US ?
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July 30, 2016 12:13pm
Andrei

Its dolts like you Stephieboy that allow politicians of the Caliber of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to rise to the top in the first place.

All the faux outrage over shit when the real issues go unaddressed and undebated

Maybe the coming World War is a good thing and in the mass dying that results there will be a clear out of the pathologically stupid who allowed deadshit politicians to lead us into it in the first place
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July 30, 2016 12:28pm
Fletch

Yet another big farcical flip flop from Donald Trump,

stephieboy, it was a brilliant ploy from Trump. he dropped Hillary’s team right in it.

The immediate reaction across the political spectrum is that it’s insane to publicly hope and urge a hostile foreign power to obtain and release national security secrets. Which it is, but that’s Trump being Trump. What the Clinton campaign did next was make a colossal error:

The Clinton campaign was quick to respond. Said advisor Jake Sullivan: “This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent. That’s not hyperbole, those are just the facts. This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue.”

As Sean Davis noted, the Clinton camp just walked right into Trump’s trap, whether or not he knew he was setting one. For the past year, Hillary’s defense of her private email server has been that the whole thing was a nothingburger that put no sensitive information at risk. Originally she claimed that the emails on her server were harmless things like yoga schedules.

FBI Director Comey contradicted that, publicly concluding both that there was significant senstive information in the emails and that there was no way to know if they had fallen into hostile hands. And now, this morning, her own campaign admits that it would be “a national security issue” for Russia to gain access to those emails.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438401/trump-got-hillary-admit-her-emails-were-national-security-risk
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July 30, 2016 12:29pm
stephieboy

Fletch it was a dumb thing for Donald to say and Hilary reinforces the point about why Trump is unsuitable to be POTUS ,

I”magine him in the Oval Office facing a real crisis. A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons””

Very true !

And do you think its Ok for Japan, South Korea and others to have Nuclear Weapons ? Maybe Saudi Arabia , Turkey etc ?

Does it no surprise you that North Korea gives Trump their Stirling support
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July 30, 2016 12:35pm
Reid

Maybe the coming World War is a good thing and in the mass dying that results there will be a clear out of the pathologically stupid who allowed deadshit politicians to lead us into it in the first place

Trouble is Andrei, we have to die as well.

It’s not fair.
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July 30, 2016 12:40pm
Fletch

I”magine him in the Oval Office facing a real crisis. A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons””

Feck, I wouldn’t trust Hillary with nuclear weapons. When it comes to war, Hillary has the monopoly on that. It wasn’t Trump that urged getting into Iraq. It wasn’t Trump that got the U.S into Libya. It wasn’t Trump that wanted to go into Syria. It was all Hillary.
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July 30, 2016 12:41pm
Andrei

Agreed Reid – but what can we do? The lunatics are in charge of the asylum and the world is full of the braindead like Stephiebot
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July 30, 2016 12:42pm
Harriet

Kimbo#

“….One of the finest traits I have noticed in the New Zealanders is that of parental love; the men appear chiefly to nurse their children, and are generally to be seen with one on their back covered up under their mats, the little things appear likewise sensible of their fathers’ love for they seem principally to cling to them…..”

I believe this would all be true.

I have before said that maori are now more of something else than maori – mostly scots/Irish as most maori are now around half maori or less. There are no full blooded maori left.

So how did this come to be – maori men and women and settler men and women living together rather happily and producing children together — or was there a lot of raping going on – something that has never been raised in the current Treaty negotiations.

The stats may say that maori are more of this and that with regards to violence, poverty ect, but there are lots of maori who do very well for themselves – which is where the answer lies.
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July 30, 2016 12:43pm
stephieboy

Fletch , Feck when was there a threat of Nuclear showdown when she was Secretary of State .

Did you know that Trump supported the 2003 invasion back then ?

The UN with China and Russia abstaining sanctioned action aginst Libya !
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July 30, 2016 12:44pm
Nookin

Stephie

When I saw him making those comments, there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that he was taking a well aimed swipe at Hillary and the risks to which she had exposed classified information. He was also having a swipe at MSM who would have relished the idea of publicising everything the russians handed over.
Trump may be dumb and as eloquent as a warthog but suggesting that he was inviting the russkies to hack hillary’s computer is a bit desparate. Mind you, the Demoes are a bit fork tongued. One minute Hillary’s computers are inviolate and inviolable, next the russkies have been reading them at the brekky table on a daily basis.

I would like to know how much debt the Donald has to Russian interests.
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July 30, 2016 12:47pm
Reid

When the acid kicks in.

Killary at the convention stage with Bill when the balloons release.

https://imgur.com/gallery/rw33y

The lunatics are in charge of the asylum and the world is full of the braindead…

It’s like Zombie Apocalypse, only real.
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July 30, 2016 12:47pm
Andrei

Stephieboy once again you show your ignorance – the resolution Russia and China abstained from did not sanction the bombing of Libya

That was an illegal action under international law and a gross violation of the UN Charter

I know you are thick far too thick to actually read that resolution but even if Russia and China had vetoed it Libya would have still been bombed because as we know the USA is a law unto itself and they invaded Iraq without any UN mandate
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July 30, 2016 12:51pm
Stars And Stripes

Talking about Te Reo I think even my bloody phone is racist as it keeps trying to convert Maori words into English ones.
Anyway more to the point how do you say I am just going to put my kid in the clothesdrier before I go to KFC for a feed in Te Reo?.
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July 30, 2016 12:51pm
wiseowl

Wiri and Viking.

The LG legislation that National are trying to sneek in through the back door is some of the most appalling I have seen.
National are trying to get mates control of assets around the country when these are owned by the ratepayers and should be directly accountable through democratically elected representatives.

They have never understood local government and still don’t.
Unfortunately they seem to have forgotten about democracy as well.
Just a disgrace.
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July 30, 2016 12:52pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

I’ll make it quick.

You need to understand that while the Americans, Canadians, etc. viewed the ethnic Japanese living within their nations as “Japanese,” the Japanese of Japan did not.

Once you leave Japan to live overseas, you are no longer truly Japanese. You become an “issei” (1st generation). Your children born overseas will be “nissei”, (second generation) in the eyes of Japanese living in Japan. You have severed your links with Nippon and are no longer our concern. Good luck to you.
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July 30, 2016 1:00pm
Kimbo

Hmm, this from Whale Oil and the eight broken record distractions when dealing with the latest wave of world-wide terrorism (apologies if you find it tl;dr) :

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/07/stop-listening-broken-record/

Argument 1: Islam has nothing to do with terrorism

This kind of denial relies on the public to ignore all data on terror: the imams who preach hate, the holy texts that demand it, the statistics that show fairly significant portions of Islamic nations support terrorism, and the lists of registered terrorist groups wherein the vast majority are Islamic.

Instead, this argument relies on the theologians who insist that on some intellectual or spiritual level, their interpretation of Islam reflects peace. Certainly, that may well be their interpretation. But unfortunately that is not the reality for all followers.

Yep. That is a distraction. It does. Not all forms of Islam, or interpretations of it, nor all or even most Muslims. But islam is not absent.

Argument 2: Christianity is just as bad; it also has a history of violence

This is a tool to derail the discourse away from Islamic extremism and toward Christianity. Christianity, like all religions, has its failings and these are undeniable. However, the two religions differ in many ways.

For one, Christianity is practised mostly in countries that have reformed to separate state and church. So while Christianity has major faults including a few minor splinter groups committing violence in the US, griping about those issues during a dialogue on Islamic terrorism derails from the actual problem at hand. The critical issue is not Christianity-inspired terror attacks.

Um, from a pragmatic point of view when dealing with our present problem, largely irrelevant.

Argument 3: Muslim people are more likely to be killed in terrorism, hence terror is anti-Islam

Rather than this proving that extremists are anti-Muslim, it shows that they are anti-pluralism, believing that they are enacting the one true Islam. Whether this is actually true is debatable but unfortunately this debate is shut down by the incoherent reasoning that “terror has no religion”. This circular argument ensures we cannot move forward in examining the nuanced role of Islam in Islamic terrorism.

Hmm. Not entirely a distraction as it does remind non-Muslims they are not the only one’s suffering. Nonetheless, is largely a distraction as you could describe terror directed against other Muslims as a form of inter-Islamic sectarianism.

Argument 4: Divisiveness about Islam will inspire more recruits to join terrorist groups

If public opinion can create Islamic terrorism, this is a truly immense problem for democratic countries. After all, disagreement is at the heart of democratic politics and it very rarely results in terrorist attacks. The notion that public division inspires terrorists not only appears to be demonstrably false, it is also an effective victim-blaming tool that places responsibility for avoiding terrorism onto the public themselves.

I think this means “marginalising Muslims”. “Demonising” about an “enemy within” won’t help, but in the main those who allow themselves to be recruited are not snowflakes blown in the wind. As shown by the fact the vast majority of Muslims in the West don’t resort to terror.

Don’t know what happened to Argument 5.

Argument 6: Most terrorist attacks are not committed by Islamic extremists

Most terrorist attacks are not committed by Islamic extremists
In years gone by and in certain regions, this may have held true. Unfortunately across Europe this is no longer the case. In 2015 there were more Islamic terror cases than separatist terror attacks. Moreover, separatist terror attacks tend to have specific, predictable targets, such as political or military sites. Islamic terrorist attacks are increasingly selecting soft, random targets such as general public locations and events.

Clearly false. Those who commit acts of terror and violence while shouting Al-Akbar or something similar, whether they are mentally insane and/or sick (in the proper legal and medical sense) are, nonetheless influenced in some way by Islam, and, as it is an act of violence they are committing, they are by definition extremists.

Argument 7: You are more likely to be killed driving a car, or from domestic violence

This is condescending and undermining. There are myriad reasons why people may be more fearful of terrorism than car accidents or domestic violence. For one, car accidents and domestic violence are issues that we can actively take steps to prevent as individuals, there are at least some methods and services to reduce these risks. There is absolutely nothing we can do to avoid being involved in a terror plot if we happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Telling the public they are more likely to die in a car does nothing to help increase knowledge to safeguard against terrorism.

True in one sense – and useful to give a sense of perspective about the current risks, but wrong, in that it is the duty of Western states to fight the War on terror wherever and whenever it is encountered. It is not “business as usual”.

Argument 8: Not all Muslims commit terrorism. Most Muslims are peaceful people

There is only a very small segment of the population who conflate Muslims with terrorism — Pew research says that only around 5 per cent of the UK population believes that all Muslims support IS.

Yeeees. Go on…

Moreover, the Left is often infuriated when conversations on male violence are derailed with the notion that “not all men commit violence”, yet they employ this exact approach on the topic of terror.

Soooo?

This ensures that we cannot focus on the small portion of people who do commit terror in the same of Islam.

No, that is a non sequitur.

Despite the increasing risk of terrorist attacks year upon year, this kind of denial and derailment has saturated the discourse. Those who speak out of line are swiftly repudiated. Our understanding of terrorism has not moved beyond this back and forth of circular arguments.

For the sake of innocent lives, we need to go beyond this horseshoe politics and find some common ground. Surely there can be agreement that terrorist threats are an urgent problem, one that requires debate, research, dialogue and discussion.

OK, so what should be the appropriate, subjects, contours…and tone of this “debate, research, dialogue and discussion”?

There must also be common agreement that attacks on everyday Muslim people are entirely unacceptable, creating suffering and halting progress. If people are feeling angry about the risk of terrorism, this needs to be communicated to our political leaders and not to random Muslim people on the street.

Yes, I agree. Not sure about everyone on KB, but far be it from me to speak on behalf of others…

The reality is that terrorism is here. We need a collaborative and deliberative effort toward understanding this problem. This hamster wheel of denial is not making any person, of any religion, safe.

OK, but no answers yet about what we replace the current false narrative with…
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July 30, 2016 1:02pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Once you leave Japan to live overseas, you are no longer truly Japanese. You become an “issei” (1st generation). Your children born overseas will be “nissei”, (second generation) in the eyes of Japanese living in Japan. You have severed your links with Nippon and are no longer our concern. Good luck to you.

Ah, of course. I should have joined the dots from what you had previously posted concerning Japanese culture. So no such thing as “Japanese Disapora” for those still living on the scared soil of Nippon. hanks. I learned something today… 😉
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July 30, 2016 1:05pm
Ross12

Looks like the hackers have gone into overdrive

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-investigation-exc-idUSKCN1092HK?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
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July 30, 2016 1:09pm
Fletch

Did you know that Trump supported the 2003 invasion back then ?

Supported? Hillary actually voted in favour of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0
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July 30, 2016 1:30pm
Shawn Herles

Democratic Party Suffers Nervous Breakdown In Philly: The Inside Story

“PHILADELPHIA – The Democratic National Convention was almost literally a disaster area.

Bernie Sanders suspended all party rules on the floor of the convention to personally nominate Hillary Clinton by a voice vote. Left-wing protesters rampaged in the streets. Pro-Bernie delegates walked off the convention floor in protest. Agitators seized the mainstream media’s control center against an outnumbered police force. Speakers were booed. Green Party candidate Jill Stein crashed the event and emerged as the new Bernie Sanders in the general election. A man set himself on fire stomping on a burning American flag. Booed off the stage at a breakfast meeting Monday with the Florida delegation, Wasserman Schultz saw her political career go down in flames. She was removed from her chairmanship of the DNC, given a surrogate role on the Hillary campaign, and sent packing.”

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/29/day-1-convention/
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July 30, 2016 1:32pm
wikiriwhis business

“The LG legislation that National are trying to sneek in through the back door is some of the most appalling I have seen.
National are trying to get mates control of assets around the country when these are owned by the ratepayers and should be directly accountable through democratically elected representatives.”

Wise Owl

It seems National is trying to make ground with the loss of TPP.

This makes me totally convinced the TPP is indeed dead as described by analysts so National has to rape the country by other means
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July 30, 2016 1:41pm
Shawn Herles

Pat Caddell: Democrats ‘Walked Right into the Trap’ Donald Trump Baited with Hillary Clinton’s Email

“Political strategist Pat Caddell, a veteran of numerous Democratic campaigns, talked to Breitbart News Daily Thursday about President Obama’s speech at the Democratic National Convention.

When SiriusXM host Stephen K. Bannon laughed at the portion of Obama’s speech where he talked about “carrying” Hillary Clinton to victory, Caddell deadpanned, “It’s almost the attitude that somebody has to. I thought that was the theme last night: We must all carry her.”

“The problem is, I don’t know if the Hillary Clinton they’re creating, and talking about, resonates at all with what people really think of her,” he said.

Caddell said the Democratic strategy for 2016 was clear: “They have to turn the base out. They have to hold the party.” However, he was doubtful the tactics employed on the third night of the Democratic convention would prove effective.

“I’m just not sure this resonates,” he said, adding:

If they’re all so articulate on what, particularly Obama, “It’s my third term, save her, let’s do this, you must vote for her,” what does that make her look like? I mean, she’s been around for a long time. She’s been around for 30 years. Maybe she’ll be able to produce a fantastic speech, and she’ll be transformed in people’s eyes, but I just don’t think so, Steve. I don’t think that’s gonna happen.

Caddell was also critical of Democratic messaging after Donald Trump’s press conference on Wednesday. “Yesterday was one of the most amazing days I’ve ever seen,” he declared. “Throwing the ‘treason’ word around, the T-word, if you will. Why were they walking into the trap?”

He said he did not know what might have been revealed in the pilfered DNC voicemails released by WikiLeaks Wednesday, but “anything that has to do with the words ‘email,’ ‘Hillary,’ the ‘DNC’ – all of this just continues to roil the situation.”

He agreed with Bannon that Trump was deliberately baiting Democrats and the media by making controversial comments about Clinton’s emails, and “they walked right into the trap, believe me.””

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/07/28/pat-caddell-democrats-walked-right-into-the-trap-donald-trump-baited-with-hillary-clintons-email/
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July 30, 2016 1:43pm
Shawn Herles

4 Ways to Rid Yourself of Leftists

“Leftists are brazen in the Age of Obama. They know that the government is always on their side. They can basically do whatever they want as it’s politically incorrect to prosecute them.

A Trump victory in the fall means everything to those Americans who still cherish freedom. Without it, we better get used to the fact that both our first and second amendment rights are in serious jeopardy.

When George W. Bush was in office they were not so audacious when it came to acting out their malevolent fantasies. These are people of the feelz, and they find argumentation and debate repulsive.

To the leftist, violence is the new argument. They commit acts of it whenever they can and bounce about our public places like kangaroos on Pervitin. Every day they try to deny their opponents the ability to earn a living, travel or even meet peacefully.

Personally, I no longer want to have anything to do with them. The last thing I covet is spending time with disturbed freaks. Allow me to offer up four ways by which you too can preserve your sanity by purging yourself of their presence…..”

https://www.righton.net/2016/07/28/4-ways-to-rid-yourself-of-leftists/
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July 30, 2016 1:50pm
wikiriwhis business

” A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons”

Pffffffff

The new Brit PM is already threatning to use nukes in the ME

spose that’s ok with KBers cause she’s a Tory.
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July 30, 2016 1:51pm
wikiriwhis business

““Leftists are brazen in the Age of Obama. They know that the government is always on their side. ”

Certainly after Doug Graham right wingers know their MP’s are not with them
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July 30, 2016 1:53pm
wikiriwhis business

“Do you think behind this bill are some of National’s mates who want to buy up control of water? Some of them seem to have been active around Ashburton.”

Certainly a brush National will be tarred with

right wingers on the Auckland Council have been caught trying to keep a Maori voice out of Auckland’s future

Like Ngati Whatua are not allowed to have a voice in Akl’s future

Yeah right
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July 30, 2016 1:57pm
stigie

Stay hard wikiwank !~
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July 30, 2016 2:02pm
wikiriwhis business

“wikiriwhis business (In Receivership):
Be very careful what you wish for.”

I don’t wish…. I pray.

Remember, politicians don’t gather to pray but to plot
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July 30, 2016 2:14pm
wikiriwhis business

TPP could allow foreigners to buy large assets without formal approval – John Key

The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal could allow foreign entities to buy large assets without Crown approval, Prime Minister John Key has signalled.

Key was asked on Monday whether the TPP agreement, the proposed Pacific Rim trade deal being negotiated between 12 countries, would make it easier for buyers to acquire large land holdings in New Zealand.

He said negotiations were ongoing so he could not give a definitive answer, but he signalled that the matter under consideration was not “sensitive land” which includes farmland, but the size of other investments which would trigger an approval process.

“The question is not so much about sensitive land, I think, from memory, I’m pretty sure it’s about whether it triggers the threshold, and how much that increases.”

Currently those who are not citizens or do not normally reside in New Zealand need Overseas Investment Office approval if they are buying large assets, classified as those costing more than $100 million.

Residents of some countries, including Australia, have a higher threshold because of clauses in free trade agreements.

Last week Labour announced a series of “non-negotiable” conditions before it would support the TPP, including New Zealand maintaining the right to restrict the sales of farmland and housing to non-resident foreigners.

Key described Labour’s position as “crazy” and “schizophrenic”, claiming that if it wanted to restrict sales to foreigners it should not have included a “most favoured nation” clause in the China free trade agreement.

“[Labour leader] Andrew Little’s desperate to find a way to keep the left flank of his caucus in check,” Key said.

While negotiations were still continuing, Key said he believed that overall New Zealand would benefit from signing the TPP.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/70594420/tpp-could-allow-foreigners-to-buy-large-assets-without-formal-approval–john-key

Now a confirmed and proven traitor.

Directly threatening the National Party support base in the rural sector

Yet the MSN tells us the TPP is dead.
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July 30, 2016 2:18pm
wikiriwhis business

McCully still under investigation over the sordid and immoral Saudi Deal which the Saudi involved denied bringing any legal case against NZ. No individual has that kind of influence over a nation he stated on RNZ.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11683666
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July 30, 2016 2:25pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Stay hard wikiwank !~

Captain Mainwaring has been particularly creative today:

wikiriwhis business (In Receivership)

Top marks!
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July 30, 2016 2:28pm
wikiriwhis business

Lucky Rio Tinto wasn’t involved in the latest mining fatality over Thames. The family would never see his body to bury. And National would have given them another $30m
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July 30, 2016 2:30pm
wiseowl

The insanity of our trade negotiators.

The idiotic idea that no-one can take the land with them rules.Sure but we are already working for offshore corporates and soon half the country will be owned offshore.
And while Labour was stupid enough to let the Chinese FTA allow the buy up of our land that does not mean we have to repeat the folly or not re-negotiate.

Time for a revolution.
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July 30, 2016 2:31pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

Afghan cleric arrested after marrying six-year-old child, parents say she was abducted

Your thoughts?
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July 30, 2016 2:37pm
Rachael Membery

stephieboy (12,832 comments) says:

July 30th, 2016 at 11:37 am

Another attack,,,,,,? of the googles?
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July 30, 2016 2:41pm
Reid

It’s confirmed: the United States is being checkmated in Syria and in Turkey. Now, Erdogan is set to visit Moscow early next month.

They will be talking about how to dispense with the CIA “moderate rebels” we know as Daesh Islamic State terrorists.

The political analyst further explained that first of all, it could be about closing the Turkish-Syrian border and, as a result, cutting-off of the influx of rebels and arms into war-torn Syria.

Matuzov suggested that the issue might have been already been agreed upon.

If the border is closed, the opposition and their American masters will lose the war in Syria.

That’s right, they will. And bye bye to their evil scheme to contain the Shia Crescent by establishing a Sunni Caliphate, what a shame millions of lives won’t now be ruined forever.

https://geopolitics.co/2016/07/28/checkmate-u-s-loses-syria-erdogan-visits-putin/
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July 30, 2016 2:47pm
Fletch

To see the Facebook message conversations that Facebook has filtered and that you probably missed, do this –

1. Go to facebook.com. At the top of the screen click the messages icon (the word balloons)
2. When it opens click on ‘Message Requests’ link at the top.
3. Click on ‘See Filtered Requests’ link.
4. Recoil in horror at years of missed messages that people have sent you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGhRRWGaTEQ
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July 30, 2016 2:54pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

Nissei and sansei, etc. are only considered when there is a labor shortage in Japan, as was the case with the Brazilians of Japanese extraction some 20 years ago. And that was a bit hit-and-miss.

See: “Left behind: Japanese Brazilians seek new identity” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbOdG3gxZg
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July 30, 2016 2:55pm
wikiriwhis business

Selling public assets has created unregulated monopolies that hurt productivity and damage the economy, according to Australia’s consumer and competition tsar, who says he is on the verge of becoming a privatisation opponent.

In a blistering attack on decades of common government practice, Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Rod Sims said the sale of ports and electricity infrastructure and the opening of vocational education to private companies had caused him and the public to lose faith in privatisation and deregulation.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/privatisation-has-damaged-the-economy-says-accc-chief-20160726-gqe2c2.html

Imagine what privatisation will do to tiny NZ
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July 30, 2016 2:59pm
wikiriwhis business

Final talks on the deal are set to end in Hawaii tomorrow with trade ministers from 12 Pacific Rim countries attempting to hammer out the controversial deal.

Malaysia’s International Trade and Industry Minister Mustapa Mohamed has said the signing of the agreement “will not happen in Hawaii”, Malaysian media reports.

Read more: http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/nz-should-bring-back-unsigned-tppa–nz-first-2015073016#ixzz4FrDXLjvi
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July 30, 2016 3:01pm
wikiriwhis business

I’m sure the Prime Minister cant remember when he told the opposition party’s to ‘GET SOME GUTS’ when he decided to send some of our military on the great American misadventure in the sand…the Invasion of Iraq…
but here we see a cowardly Government and it’s mealy mouthed ministers scrambling for cover when they should be showing some guts and actually doing their jobs!
I , through my work have seen this fake steel certification numerous times from Chinese suppliers. For any ‘Public Servant’ to say ,while drawing a salary as a ‘Public Servant’ that “He was confident the batch of weak steel was a one-off.” is criminally culpable! Experts around New Zealand will support the claim that this ISN’T an ‘one-off’ occurrence.

I joked earlier about New Zealand being turned into a ‘third world’ country because of the actions of the Key Government but this isn’t a joke and New Zealanders will die early deaths as this Government puts this issue into the ‘to hard basket’.

If this isn’t investigated the National Party should be called out for being cowards!

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/305427/govt-won't-investigate-weak-steel
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July 30, 2016 3:14pm
wikiriwhis business

Fight over Māori reps’ right to debate Akl Unitary Plan

Several Auckland councillors have unsuccessfully tried to exclude Māori representatives from the final debates on the city’s Unitary Plan.

Mr Quax continued the line against Māori participation in the debate next month.

“The problem I have, apart from the conflicted position that the Independent Māori Statutory Board has, is that it defies democracy to have people who are unelected, and who are not accountable, sitting in judgement of a plan which is of huge importance to Auckland,” he told today’s meeting.

Mr Lee also questioned the appropriateness of statutory board members voting.

The material used to question the statutory board’s right to vote was supplied by Democracy Action.

Its founder, Lee Short, told RNZ News he had shared research with a group of councillors he was working with, and would continue lobbying against the board’s inclusion.

“Well, we’re writing to every councillor and we’re going to be writing to the council through our legal representatives pointing out these conflicts of interest and pointing out the IMSB shouldn’t be participating in decision-making at any level, when they have these conflicts of interest.”

Councillor Cathy Casey was one of the majority who argued it was proper for next month’s consideration of the plan to include the Māori representatives, saying their voice was important.

“If you say no to the IMSB you’re effectively saying no to the Māori perspective being heard. Of course there’ll be rules around conflicts of interest. I actually think it’s insulting to be having this debate,” she said

RNZ News this week published a submission made to the independent hearings panel by councillor Sharon Stewart, in which she described possible requirements to consult with Māori as a form of economic and social apartheid.

Mrs Stewart was one of the minority today who voted unsuccessfully to block the statutory board members’ continued role by shifting the debate away from the development committee on which they sat.

This was in spite of advice that had been offered a short time earlier by the council’s governance director: that councillors who had made such submissions should consider whether they were conflicted and whether they should vote today.

The chair of the Māori statutory board, David Taipari, said he didn’t believe he and fellow member Lianne Ngamene had conflicts of interest, and if any declarations were needed they’d be made at next month’s meetings.

The council voted 13-8 to keep deliberations on the plan with the development committee.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/309646/fight-over-maori-reps%27-right-to-debate-akl-unitary-plan
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July 30, 2016 3:19pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Thanks. But please bare in mind my question about Japanese-Americans during World War II was only as aside to my original questions. Here, I’ll repeat them again

Muslim enclaves in France make Muslims more vulnerable than if they were more evenly dispersed throughout the nation.

If you control infrastructure, logistics and utilities, you control the community. It’s that simple.

Is usually the same with any minority – they tend to group together for social, cultural and religious support and interaction.

But in the case of French Muslims, vulnerable to what? And from whom? And in what circumstances?
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July 30, 2016 3:22pm
Keeping Stock

so National has to rape the country by other means

Has anyone close to you every been raped wikiriwhi? I certainly hope not.

But one of my very close family members HAS been a victim of rape, and it’s not a joking matter or a subject for glib political smears.
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July 30, 2016 3:31pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , Trump lay a trap for the media over emails ? What joke . Tell us another one . Will he also say North Korea was another trap he laid !

Odakyu sen , Afgan cleric marrying a six-year-old . Obviously if true it si not on much like the sex molestation allegations against Cardinal Pell .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-27/victoria-police-investigating-george-pell-over-abuse-complaints/7664674

Thoughts ?
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July 30, 2016 3:36pm
Shawn Herles

Preparing for the Reconquista: The invasion of Europe by mass immigration cannot continue. Guillaume Faye explains why not just resistance, but a reconquista is inevitable.

The following is the Introduction to Guillaume Faye’s The Colonisation of Europe, which was recently published by Arktos.

“Europe has been emasculated, celebrating its Gay Pride and the triumphant ascendance of homophilia. It celebrates its staggeringly low birth rates, its unbridled individualism, and the miscegenation of its women, as well as its ethnomasochism. It offers shelter, protection, benefits, and care to false refugees, while leaving its homeless citizens to starve. It declares the expulsion of illegal invaders ‘inhumane’ and practices a preference for foreigners. Its political classes and xenophilic bourgeoisie have longed to make Europe resemble those ageing women who pay gigolos to move into their homes.

Every occupation has its collaborators: the politicians and the intellectual media class make up the backbone of the pro-immigration party, the party that participates in our colonisation through collaboration; they are well supported by the Catholic, Jewish, and Protestant religious hierarchies, none of whom suspect how much they are at risk of being devoured whole. The peoples of Europe have never been consulted, especially the working classes who bear the brunt of the shock resulting from colonial immigration. Soon it will be too late. The point of no return will be reached, and votes and elections will be ineffective. There will only be two options: our historic disappearance, or a reconquista.

The ethnic war whose beginnings we are now witnessing therefore bears no relevance to sociology or criminology, but is geopolitical and geo-ethnic. As far as wars are concerned, history always proclaims one camp to be the victor and another as the vanquished. The loser is usually the one who rejects confrontation and denies aggression, mistaking his enemy for a friend. Tomorrow, if a hundred cities are simultaneously set ablaze, all police forces will be helpless. The figures testify to this… Tomorrow, contrary to the silly calculations of the socialists or the Greens, young immigrants will not vote for these two parties, but for the ones that they will elect from their own camp. They will elect Muslims, who will first demand privileges and then power. This is the inexorable logic of any and all colonisation stemming from below.

I may very well shock you, just like a doctor who prescribes surgery as his patient’s last resort, but I think an open outbreak of ethnic civil war may be necessary. When a situation becomes intolerable and inextricable, only a catastrophe, in line with the mathematical theory of the same name, could plunge a system into chaos so that a new order could arise. Will our European youths become aware of this and defend themselves, spurred by memory and will? Maybe, maybe not…

If they do, it is not the rule of law or its police forces that will put up a fight, but the people themselves, our people. It will no longer be a ‘civil war’ as understood in its fratricidal, classical meaning, but rather a war of liberation.”

https://www.righton.net/2016/04/14/preparing-for-the-reconquista/
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July 30, 2016 3:37pm
Nostradamus

Keeping Stock:

You can add this political smear to the list:

Lucky Rio Tinto wasn’t involved in the latest mining fatality over Thames. The family would never see his body to bury. And National would have given them another $30m

I don’t know what wikiriwhis business was hoping to achieve by politicising a mining fatality – talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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July 30, 2016 3:37pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , since are often preoccupied about sex abuse allegations against Muslims care to share thoughts of those made against Australian Cardinal Pell as per above ?
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July 30, 2016 3:40pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

Vulnerable to the measures by the State (should it decide to take them) to put pressure on the “moderate” members of those enclaves to collaborate in:
– Reporting suspicious activities by the imans
– Reporting suspicious group activities in general
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July 30, 2016 3:41pm
Keeping Stock

Quite so Nostradamus – but wikiriwhi is a frenzied Winstonite, so there’s no limit to the depths (s)he will plummet to get in a slur.
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July 30, 2016 3:44pm
Scott Hamilton

Are you comfortable with the politics of the people you’re quoting at length and linking to here, Shawn? Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that Guillame Faye is a fairly unashamed neo-Nazi. He’s a friend of David Duke, appears at neo-Nazi conferences, and publishes through Arktos Press.

It seems that explicitly white supremacist material is become more and more prevalent in Kiwiblog threads.
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July 30, 2016 3:49pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

Vulnerable to the measures by the State (should it decide to take them) to put pressure on the “moderate” members of those enclaves to collaborate in:
– Reporting suspicious activities by the imans
– Reporting suspicious group activities in general

Um, what leads you to believe that “moderate members” don’t at present? Also, on what constitutional basis can a modern Western democracy apply a broad-brush policy of containment/withholding of food and other necessities of life to an entire class/race and/or religious group who are its own citizens…on the basis that “some” are the cause of trouble, and on the mere suspicion and/or allegation that not enough of them are reporting the “bad eggs”?

Maybe not a question best answered by someone coming from a Japanese perspective. From a European perspective (and that includes the likes of New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the USA) the answer is clear – you can’t. Mind you there are always religious and ideological crackpots who go so far as to say “an outbreak of ethnic civil war may be necessary”…and idiots prepared to disseminate that sort of (yes, I’ll do a Godwins, but sometimes, as per Scott Hamilton’s shout-out, it actually is what it is!)…fascism.
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July 30, 2016 3:54pm
Paulus

I am willing to wager that the Israeli, Russian and Chinese have copies of all Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 deleted emails.

Whether some will be revealed before the election is a moot point, but they may well have consequences should she be elected.
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July 30, 2016 4:01pm
nasska

…..” about sex abuse allegations against Muslims care to share thoughts of those made against Australian Cardinal Pell as per above”….

Seems fairly clear cut to me. Sicko Muslim paedophiles target little girls whereas sick Catholic paedophiles get their rocks off with little boys.
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July 30, 2016 4:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

I am willing to wager that the Israeli, Russian and Chinese have copies of all Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 deleted emails.

Whether some will be revealed before the election is a moot point, but they may well have consequences should she be elected.

Can the Clintons buy Putin? Fuck they paid off or disposed of anyone and every other thing that was in the way
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July 30, 2016 4:16pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

Your “European perspective” may be your undoing. (Here, “your” refers to the French.)

The culture you are dealing with has shown itself to be quite capable of using what it perceives to be your “cultural weaknesses” against you.

If you desire peace, you must prepare for war. And fighting isn’t all there is to the Art of War.
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July 30, 2016 4:26pm
Shawn Herles

@ Scott Hamilton

“Are you comfortable with the politics of the people you’re quoting at length and linking to here, Shawn?”

Yes.

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that Guillame Faye is a fairly unashamed neo-Nazi.”

You are wrong. Faye is persona-non-grata with Neo-Nazis because he is pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. He sees Jews in general and Israel specifically as allies against Islam.

Faye and Arktos Press are not neo-Nazi but Nouvelle Droite. Some have argued that Nouvelle Droite is a form of non-Nazi fascism, but anyone who has read it’s principle thinker, Alain De Benoist, will know that this claim is absurd and politically motivated. I recently finished reading Alain’s ‘Manifesto for a European Renaissance’ and it is not remotley close to either fascism or neo-Nazism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouvelle_Droite
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July 30, 2016 4:27pm
Captain Mainwaring

wikiriwhis business (In Receivership):
One day you might say something that earns you an uptick.
But somehow I doubt it.
One way ticket to Venezuela in the mail.
Enjoy your paradise.
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July 30, 2016 4:32pm
Kimbo

Good dispassionate thoughts and analysis in the first half of this from Sargon of Akkad coming from his libertarian pro-secular perspective on the issue of terrorism and Muslims in Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSShuba6oik
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July 30, 2016 4:32pm
Nostradamus

Captain Mainwaring:

One way ticket to Venezuela in the mail.
Enjoy your paradise.

I’m sure Kiwiblog readers, in the spirit of GiveaLittle generosity, would be willing to give Yoza a one-way ticket too.
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July 30, 2016 4:39pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Your “European perspective” may be your undoing. (Here, “your” refers to the French.)

The culture you are dealing with has shown itself to be quite capable of using what it perceives to be your “cultural weaknesses” against you.

If you desire peace, you must prepare for war. And fighting isn’t all there is to the Art of War.

Indeed, and this undeclared war takes many forms. Including the war of ideas, the war for hearts and minds, the legal, constitutional and cultural war against false allies who would declare a state of emergency to take away hard-won freedoms. And a war to protect the innocent.

And I seem to remember ‘we” in the west managed to negotiate the Cold War without throwing every left-wing activist or sympathiser into prison or deporting them – although admittedly the French did do that to “Dany le Rouge”/”Danny the Red” in 1968! 😉

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

So I wouldn’t be too quick to assume the West in general and the French in particular are incapable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.
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July 30, 2016 4:42pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

And I note, yet again, you have overlooked answering a further set of questions. Here, care to have another go? Especially the first one:

Kimbo,

Vulnerable to the measures by the State (should it decide to take them) to put pressure on the “moderate” members of those enclaves to collaborate in:
– Reporting suspicious activities by the imans
– Reporting suspicious group activities in general

Um, what leads you to believe that “moderate members” don’t at present? Also, on what constitutional basis can a modern Western democracy apply a broad-brush policy of containment/withholding of food and other necessities of life to an entire class/race and/or religious group who are its own citizens…on the basis that “some” are the cause of trouble, and on the mere suspicion and/or allegation that not enough of them are reporting the “bad eggs”?
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July 30, 2016 4:48pm
Shawn Herles

“I’m sure Kiwiblog readers, in the spirit of GiveaLittle generosity, would be willing to give Yoza a one-way ticket too.”

Does anyone think Yoza would actually live in any of the socialist countries he has defended over the years? Hell no! 🙂

Out for the evening. Later folks.
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July 30, 2016 4:48pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

“Um, what leads you to believe that “moderate members” don’t at present?”

I really don’t know. Maybe they do. Maybe they don’t.

Do you have any evidence that they do?
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July 30, 2016 5:00pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

Do you have any evidence that they do?

Quick internet search reveals Piers Morgan in the Daily Mail (!) thinks so…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321032/PIERS-MORGAN-Brave-Muslims-stopped-far-deaths-Paris-terror-attacks-s-rest-Islam-guts-root-ISIS.html
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July 30, 2016 5:07pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Faye is persona-non-grata with Neo-Nazis’

If he were persona non-grata with neo-Nazis, would he appear alongside David Duke at the regular conferences organised by American Renaissance, an avowedly white supremacist publication? He’s in this 2014 lineup:
http://www.amren.com/archives/conferences/twelfth-american-renaissance-conference-2014/

I note that the righton.net website you link to pushes the ideas of Julius Evola, who defined himself as an ‘esoteric Nazi’, and has published at least one article by Kerry Bolton, NZ’s best-known neo-Nazi.
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July 30, 2016 5:09pm
Scott Hamilton

I accept that Guillame Faye differs from some other neo-Nazis in arguing that Jews are no longer an important enemy of the ‘white race’, and that the focus should be on Muslims and non-whites. But Faye seems undeniably to be an advocate of biologically based racism and to be an advocate of fascism over democracy. Here’s a review from American renaissance of Faye’s book Archaeofuturism. Unless the reviewer has fabricated the quotes he uses, then Faye’s positions seen unequivocal:
http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/life-after-the-collapseamerican-renaissance-on-guillaume-fayes-archeofuturism/

Dr. Faye takes it for granted that race is real. “I insist on the importance of biological kinship to define peoples, and particularly the family of European peoples,” he writes. “The inherited characteristics of a people shape its culture and outlook.” This is why he so opposes “the current demographic colonization of Europe by Afro-Asiatic peoples, which is prudishly called ‘immigration’.”
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July 30, 2016 5:16pm
Kimbo

@ Odakyu-sen

I really don’t know. Maybe they do. Maybe they don’t.

Do you have any evidence that they do?

He he he. The old “answer a question with a question” method. I applaud you on your ability to Sun Tzu into practice. However, as you seem to be retreating, I’ll continue to advance 😉

In our culture it is usually standard to put the onus of proof on those who first make a claim. As your statement “I really don’t know” confirms you were indeed speculating, I can but note that seems a flimsy basis on which to withhold (to quote you) “food distribution…infrastructure, logistics and utilities”, especially when they are your own citizens in a pluralistic nation.
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July 30, 2016 5:17pm
Odakyu-sen

Kimbo,

This is a good thing.

STOP THE PRESS!
Trump, Putin and Brexit all signs another world war is coming
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11684369

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July 30, 2016 5:18pm
Scott Hamilton

I’m not suggesting that you personally are sympathetic to neo-Nazism, Shawn, but I do wonder whether you aren’t somewhat naive about the agenda of some of the sites you link to. You offered me a link to the wikipedia entry for Neo-Droite to show that Guillame Faye wasn’t any sort of racist or fascist, but when I looked at the same wikipedia entry I saw, under the subheading ‘Ideology’, the following sentence:

‘According to Tamir Bar-On, the arguments and the positions of the Nouvelle Droite can not be easily positioned in the traditional left-right dichotomy, noting that it is some sort of ideological synthesis of ideas of the Weimar Revolutionary Right (such as Carl Schmitt, Oswald Spengler and Ernst Jünger) and the New Left.’

Of the three names mentioned here, one was an outspoken Nazi, another was closely identified with Nazism, and a third was appropriated by the Nazis. Carl Schmitt was a legal scholar who became an enthusiastic advocate for Hitler in the ’30s, was banned from teaching in Germany after the war because he refused to recant his Nazi views, and gave a series of guest lectures in Franco’s Spain in defence of fascism. Ernst Junger was one of Adold Hitler’s favourite writers, because of his celebrations of war and race. It isn’t fair to call Oswald Spengler a racist, but he certainly wasn’t a fan of democracy, either, and his book The Decline of the West became another favourite of the Nazis.

I can’t imagine why you think that wikipedia entry proves Guillame Faye innocent of neo-Nazism. If he is inspired by Carl Schmitt and Ernst Junger, then he’s certainly a very strange kind of anti-racist.
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July 30, 2016 5:28pm
Shawn Herles

Scott, as I said I am out for the evening so my replay must be brief.

“If he were persona non-grata with neo-Nazis, would he appear alongside David Duke at the regular conferences organised by American Renaissance, an avowedly white supremacist publication?”

Amren is concerned with White identity issues, but is not “white supremacist.”

Is the Maori Party neo-Nazi because they advocate for their race?

Does the fact that NZ Labour is partnering with the Greens and the Greens are happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with Palestinian Islamic terrorists concern you?

That they may appear at the same conferences does not make Faye a neo-Nazi, anymore than Andrew Little is a supporter of Muslim terrorism because he partners with the Greens.

“I accept that Guillame Faye differs from some other neo-Nazis”

As in, not one at all. You have to stretch the term, the way some people here stretch the term fascist, so widely that it becomes meaningless and little more than a snarl word.

“Dr. Faye takes it for granted that race is real.”

As have most human beings throughout history. I’m part Native American, Cherokee to be precise. The Cherokee think race is real. Maori people think race is real. The Japanese think race is real. Big whoop.

According to your definitions, most of the world is neo-Nazi.

Later.
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July 30, 2016 5:29pm
Longknives

So ‘Colonialism’ is to blame for Maori feeding their infants dog shit and putting them in clothes dryers before killing them??
Seriously- Could New Zealand ‘Academics’ rewrite History to suit Politically-Correct agendas any more dramatically?
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July 30, 2016 5:30pm
mikenmild

Amren is concerned with White identity issues, but is not “white supremacist.”

LOL. Just a little bit pregnant?
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July 30, 2016 5:32pm
Scott Hamilton

I see that Guillame Faye, the Frenchman that Shawn claims is in no way a racist, let alone a fascist, has co-authored an article for the explicitly neo-Nazi Countercurrents website about Carl Schmitt, the legal scholar who served the Nazi regime in the 1930s and was a lifelong defender of Hitler:
http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/07/the-lesson-of-carl-schmitt/

Schmitt is most notorious as a defender of the right of the Hitler regime to kill its enemies without judicial sanction. Here’s Faye and his co-author describing Schmitt’s argument:

In Legality and Legitimacy (1932),[10] Schmitt, as a disciple of Hobbes, suggests that legitimacy precedes the abstract concept of legality. A power is legitimate if it can protect the community in its care by force. Schmitt accuses the idealistic and “juridical” conception of legality for sanctioning Hitler’s rise to power. Legalism leads to the renunciation of power, which Schmitt calls the “politics of non-politics”

If Guillame Faye were an anti-racist and a democrat, as Shawn claims, would he publish articles on an outspokenly pro-Nazi website about a notorious Nazi thinker?
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July 30, 2016 5:38pm
dirty harry

Its the easy way out for maori..blame the white man and take no responsibility for ones actions.
Maori beat and murder their offspring in unprecedented numbers.. it aint my fault because I am white.
Get it through your thick brown heads.
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July 30, 2016 5:41pm
Viking2

Let’s start with something fairly simple around land supply. If we draw a 5km radius around the Auckland CBD roughly 46% of it is water. Even with a circle at 10km it doesn’t get much better. That’s one of the challenges of coastal harbour cities, many of which are at the forefront of globalization.
The issue with all fast growing cities is their ability to keep pace. With globalisation we have transitioned from manufacturing sector growth to tertiary/service sector growth. We have liberated trade and labour and capital. Cities at the forefront of globalisation and tertiary sector growth tend to have the same immigration and housing issues.

https://www.squirrel.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Blog-akl-map.png

Mortgage broker John Bolton argues rising boomer disposable incomes, and a failure of policy to adjust to changes in society and technology, is causing the housing affordability issue.

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/82853/mortgage-broker-john-bolton-argues-rising-boomer-disposable-incomes-and-failure-policy

some good logic on the Auckland Housing problem and what has caused it. Makes so much more sense than Deomgraphica, Mr Smith, Tubby Tuei, et al.
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July 30, 2016 5:44pm
Kimbo

@ Scott Hamilton

If Guillame Faye were an anti-racist and a democrat, as Shawn claims, would he publish articles on an outspokenly pro-Nazi website about a notorious Nazi thinker?

…much less write inflammatory wish-fulfilment such as “I think an open outbreak of ethnic civil war may be necessary”.

If it walks like a fascist

if it talks like a fascist

(Distraction: “oh, no, it can’t be – he’s Jewish!”)

…it’s a ~~duck~~ fascist!
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July 30, 2016 5:45pm
Scott Hamilton

Shawn denies that American Renaissance is a white supremacist publication. I think that a couple of minutes’ look at the site shows that it is premised on the notion that race is the most important aspect of humanity, and that the white race is menaced by inferior and darker-skinned races. Here are the titles of a few articles from the publication:

White Man: Why Are You Giving Away Your Country?
Researchers Find Whites More Altruistic than Other Races
What the Founders Really Thought About Race
Will the US Follow South Africa Down the Path of White Decline?
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July 30, 2016 5:46pm
Kimbo

@ Scott Hamilton

Yep. Just arbitrarily move the marker so Jews are now “in” as part of the volk and kultur, but other Semites are “out”, bluster and obfuscate with religious sanctimony and moral panic when you are called out, and it’s still the same old load of racist pseudo-intellectual crap…
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July 30, 2016 5:52pm
lilman

Stupid cow ,after Maori ate all their slaves they went out and shared the” Aroha “by slaughtering more and enslaving neighbours.

Those white bastards have plenty to answer for.
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July 30, 2016 5:59pm
Chuck Bird

@dirty harry

At least the racist Maori like the so called academic are prepared to put their real name to their racist rants.

I cannot recall one anti-Maori racist rant on KB by someone who used their real full name but plenty from those who hide behind a pseudonym.

The majority of Maori are good parents.
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July 30, 2016 5:59pm
Manolo

Will Romney eat humble pie?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-thinks-donald-trump-could-win-the-election?utm_term=.nj7n286JN#.buz21wegZ
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July 30, 2016 6:01pm
lilman

Chuck we aren’t talking about good Maori Parents,this is about an academic who is just full of shit

Big difference.
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July 30, 2016 6:08pm
Manolo

After failing against Brexit, now The Clintonomist embraces uber-corrupt Clinton with great fervour:
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21702750-farewell-left-versus-right-contest-matters-now-open-against-closed-new?cid1=cust/ednew/n/bl/n/20160728n/owned/n/n/nwl/n/n/n/n

different, and not just because Hillary Clinton became the first woman to be nominated for president by a major party. The conventions highlighted a new political faultline: not between left and right, but between open and closed (see article). Donald Trump, the Republican nominee, summed up one side of this divide with his usual pithiness. “Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo,” he declared. His anti-trade tirades were echoed by the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.
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July 30, 2016 6:13pm
nasska

Just suppose you were a working home owner with a young family somewhere on the continent…..maybe Sweden, France or Germany.

Then you’re offered the choice…..Fascism or Islam – take your pick – there are no other options.

I know what I’d choose.
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July 30, 2016 6:14pm
dirty harry

Name or pseudonym..who cares. The point is, some hand wringing loon is blaming whitey again for something bad thats happenning within their race. Im sick of hearing it. Im sick of reading about maori baby beatings and death. Its a maori problem, created by them, simple. Trying to divert attention by blaming whitey is quite frankly disgusting and low, but that figures..just look at who and what you are dealing with.
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July 30, 2016 6:14pm
Kimbo

@ nasska

Just suppose you were a working home owner with a young family somewhere on the continent…..maybe Sweden, France or Germany.

Then you’re offered the choice…..Fascism or Islam – take your pick – there are no other options.

The problem with that rhetorical “just suppose” is the fallacy of the excluded middle. There are other options, and no matter how hysterical some people may become, as long as wisdom is exercised more than folly by both the politicians and people of Europe…and New Zealand, neither Fascism nor Islam are the likely ones.
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