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Keeping Stock

Nice day for it…

Great spell of bowling from Neil Wagner overnight. Whilst Southee and Boult have taken most of the limelight over the last few seasons, Wagner is fast becoming a vital component of this team, especially with the decision to play two spinners. He can bowl long spells, and he runs in as hard at the end of the day as at the beginning. His career-best 6-41 was a well deserved return.
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July 29, 2016 8:02am
Shawn Herles

Dr. Sebastian Gorka: Terrorists Strike Every 83 Hours While Obama, Hillary Clinton Insist ‘Everything Is Fine Here’

“Breitbart News National Security Editor Dr. Sebastian Gorka, author of the best-selling Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, told Sean Hannity of Fox News it was significant and profoundly disturbing that the Democrats have yet to mention Islamic terrorism or ISIS, two days into their convention.

“A pregnant woman murdered yesterday, a priest beheaded in front of the altar at a Catholic mass — this is incredible,” said Gorka. “They can’t talk about it, because if they do, they’ll admit that they don’t have a plan, and what they’ve been trying has been an absolute failure.”

Gorka offered a “shout-out” to investigative journalist Patrick Poole for tallying up the carnage: “In the last two months, outside of Iraq and Syria — so outside of the war zone — there’s been a jihadi attack every 83 hours.”

On top of President Obama’s claim that, contrary to those grim statistics, the Western world is safer than it’s ever been because of his policies, Gorka noted the even more absurd and offensive statement by Secretary of State John Kerry that “air conditioners are as dangerous as ISIS.””

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/27/dr-sebastian-gorka-terrorists-strike-every-83-hours-obama-clinton-insist-everything-fine/
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July 29, 2016 8:02am
Notsofast

Vancouver is an analagous city to Auckland. Reasonably temperate and coastal, poulation about 700k, solid legal framework and enduring property rights. They have just imposed a 15% tax on foreign purchases of houses. How unfriendly.

“Vancouver, British Columbia, residents will soon get a larger cut from the real estate shopping spree that’s taking place in their city, courtesy of wealthy overseas buyers that are snatching up property there.
The British Columbian government on Monday approved a new 15 percent tax on foreign property buyers in metropolitan Vancouver, as a surge in real estate purchases by rich foreigners — particularly the Chinese — has caused many locals to say they’ve been priced out of the market.
The 15 percent tax takes effect Aug. 2 and will apply to “foreign nationals or foreign-controlled corporations.”
Vancouver has become a haven for wealthy Chinese buyers looking to move their families and fortunes to North America. Between June 10 and July 14 alone, overseas buyers spent more than $1 billion on British Columbia property, according to the government.”

https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/wealthy-overseas-buyers-face-real-160822278.html
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July 29, 2016 8:06am
Shawn Herles

Merkel At Emergency Press Conference: Germany Stands By Mass Migration Policy Despite Terror Attacks

“After a week of Islamist attacks by migrants and ‘refugees’, the German Chancellor has admitted terrorists used her open door policy to bring in people to commit violence, but refused to reverse her approach.

Defending her decision to tear up EU asylum rules for Syrian migrants, she said she had “acted in line with my knowledge and conscience” and said Germany would “stick to our principles” and “give shelter to those who deserve it”.

The German Chancellor had rushed back from a holiday and was speaking at a press conference that had been hastily brought forward to address the carnage in her country.

She repeated her “We can do this!” catchphrase, which she first uttered at the same conference last year before welcoming 1.5 million mainly young, male, Middle Eastern migrants to Germany.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/28/merkel-says-terrorists-exploit-migrant-policy-but-will-not-reverse-it-after-attacks/
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July 29, 2016 8:07am
Shawn Herles

Poll: Donald Trump Sees 17-Point Positive Swing in Two Weeks

“Republican nominee Donald Trump gained 17 points in roughly two weeks, according to the Reuters online tracking poll.

On July 14, 2016, Trump was 15 points behind Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton 46.5 percent to 31.5 percent. However as of July 26, 2016, Trump closed that 15 point gap and is now up two points over Clinton, 40.2 percent to 38.5 percent.

The Reuters/IPSOS polling data was fairly consistent during the Republican primaries — keeping Trump in the lead from February through May, which proved to be accurate.

Additionally, IPSOS received a high polling accuracy score — an “A-” — from FiveThirtyEight.”

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/28/poll-trump-gains-17-point-swing-two-weeks-clinton/
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July 29, 2016 8:11am
Kimbo

@ Keeping Stock

Great spell of bowling from Neil Wagner overnight. Whilst Southee and Boult have taken most of the limelight over the last few seasons, Wagner is fast becoming a vital component of this team, especially with the decision to play two spinners. He can bowl long spells, and he runs in as hard at the end of the day as at the beginning. His career-best 6-41 was a well deserved return.

Agreed. I’ve harped on at times about how Wagner should have been the automatic pick for 3rd seamer ever since he got that brace of four-fors in each innings when we beat India in Auckland in 2014. Gutsy, makes things happen, can dry up the runs or pitch it shorter (as he seems to have done overnight) to add variety to the team’s attack. Along with BJ Watling he is yet another quality South African immigrant!
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July 29, 2016 8:11am
Scott Chris

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Michael Bloomberg, a self-made billionaire who’s been both a Republican and Democrat explains why he’s voting for Hillary Clinton in an excellent speech:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+bloomberg+dnc+speech
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July 29, 2016 8:12am
Paulus Gnome

With the genderifaction of party lists, it it has been argued that the MP’s experience, talent and charisma gets side-lined in favour of the list candidates sex.

A newspaper tells us ‘Mallard takes his chances against Labour women’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11683124

Appears that this may be the opportunity for the chip wrapping graduate (with honors) to ride the labour party merry-go-round again unless it all comes down to a meeting behind the parliamentary bike sheds where the issue will be resolved with some traditional biffo or tickets will change hands.
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July 29, 2016 8:16am
Shawn Herles

Both funny and scary at the same time…

UK Police Launch Rainbow Patrol Car To ‘Fight Hate Crime’

“A British police force has revealed a new rainbow flag decorated patrol car in “a sign of solidarity” with the “LGBT+ community” which will help to “fight hate crime”.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/28/uk-police-launch-rainbow-patrol-car-to-fight-hate-crime/
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July 29, 2016 8:17am
Keeping Stock

Dead right Kimbo. Wagner has a knack for getting good batsmen out too; knocking over MS Dhoni in the second innings was a turning point in that Indian test.

I like the idea of playing Santner as the all-rounder too. He has a good batting technique and will only improve as a bowler, and having him in the side then gives us the choice of playing four seamers or two spinners. I will be watching for Sodhi to come into this match in the second innings as the pitch starts to wear.

It was a bit surreal last night; watching cricket being played in brilliant sunshine in the Bulawayo winter, whilst outside the rain came down in buckets and the wind was making the house shake. Zimbabwe is a beautiful country, but what Mugabe and his thugs have reduced it to is a global tragedy.
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July 29, 2016 8:18am
Shawn Herles

The Lizard Queen strikes again….

Hillary Obstructed Boko Haram’s Terror Designation as Her Donors Cashed In

“Boko Haram had already become the most lethal terrorist organization in the world, now responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. Just yesterday, the United Nations accused Boko Haram of “almost unimaginable” levels of violence and brutality. And yet, as Boko Haram began to ramp up its terror campaign in 2011 and 2012, Hillary Clinton obstructed the official terror designation of the group over the objections of Congress, the FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department.

Why did Hillary Clinton’s State Department drag its feet on the terror designation in the face of near unanimous opposition from the rest of the U.S. government?

A recent series of reports exposes that a close Clinton family confidante — and Hillary campaign bundler — who profited from Nigeria’s lucrative oil fields. He engaged in multiple illegal deals throughout Africa.

Also, other donors to the Clinton Global Initiative are deeply involved in Nigeria’s corrupt oil industry.

Members of Congress discovered in 2014 that the Clinton State Department intentionally lied and downplayed the threat from Boko Haram, and worked to kill bills in both the House and the Senate calling for their designation in 2012.

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/07/28/hillary-clinton-obstructed-boko-haram-terror-designation-over-cia-doj-objections-as-clinton-allies-cashed-in/
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July 29, 2016 8:24am
RF

After the Crusaders gentlemen Toddy and 2 pies were given a bath in NZ they have slunk off to the real Bath. That’s left the temporary skipper Read to try and improve the teams performance and maybe win a couple of games.

If Read spent more time improving his game / decisions and less time deciding what colour boots he should wear he might just graduate to handing out the oranges at half time
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July 29, 2016 8:32am
Notsofast

With Vancouver piling on a tax, Ray White proactively encouraging Chinese buying in Auckland, and the unitary plan offering a huge incentive for title banking (new concept?) it would be surprising to not see a sharp acceleration of Chinese acquisition. Further, with national surging in the polls due to the wealth effect, any tax change can be ruled out. A great further benefit to the Chinese is the kowtowing by the media to the idea that it is racist to enumerate the activity, or name them as the dominant purchasers, which is one of the stranger manifestations of the takeover.
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July 29, 2016 8:36am
Happychappy

Orgasm =Paddy Gower dreaming about Obama’s inspirational speech about Hillary while trying to figure out which hand to use
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July 29, 2016 8:38am
Tarquin North

The front page of the Horrid today is taken up by an article about how a bridal shop has shut down suddenly and the owners have left the country. Apparently some customers may not get their wedding dresses. The horror and anguish I felt after reading this article has ruined my day and damn near driven me to drink. No wonder they’re going down the gurgler.
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July 29, 2016 8:44am
Padriv Ustoev

I’ve been working on a children’s book.

Its called – “The boy who cried Lone Wolf”

Its about Islam. Very educational but no publishers want it for some reason.
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July 29, 2016 8:48am
Lance

@Padriv Ustoev

Infidels will never appreciate your genius
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July 29, 2016 8:50am
RalphT

Tarquin, an even more distressing read in the Herald today was the quiz, where question five asked:

Protester Penny Bright last paid rates to Auckland Council in May of which year?
2007
2010
2013

(An easy one for KB followers)

I am selective as to which parts of the Herald I read in an attempt to avoid the usual drivel and had always seen the quiz as a safe place to visit to avoid reading about the bludger. Now it seems I have nowhere to turn to.
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July 29, 2016 8:52am
Manolo

Mamma Merkel doubles down and wants more potential terrorists for Germany and Europe.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/694243/German-Chancellor-Angela-Merkel-terror-attacks-wont-stop-Germany-welcoming-refugees

The German leader, who cut short her summer holiday to speak after a string of Islamist attacks rocked the country, said the entire continent was being “ravaged” by terrorism.

She described recent attacks in Ansbach, Wurzburg and Munich as “horrifying and depressing” but insisted Germany would not turn its back on people fleeing the Middle East.

In the wake of the killings, Mrs Merkel said Germany now needed a better “early warning system” to spot radicalised Muslims among the newly-arrived migrants.
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July 29, 2016 8:58am
itstricky

The horror and anguish I felt after reading this article has ruined my day and damn near driven me to drink.

I felt the same way yesterday when I heard they’d put *Maori* words on banknotes. What ever next?
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July 29, 2016 8:59am
pdm

RF 8.32am

What a mean spirited post.
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July 29, 2016 9:01am
waikatogirl

Worker killed at Waihi gold mine.

The 29 year old rolled his loader at the underground mine. His body has been recovered by a mine rescue team.

Poor bugger.
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July 29, 2016 9:06am
igm

Top marks to the young architecture student and his mates who have shown that by hard work, thrift, and common sense, anyone can own a house wherever they like. They, like many of us, as young people, went without booze, smokes and holidays to make a life and reap the dividends later. Pity Teletubby and The Flea did not take notice of their success, or would that be too hard?
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July 29, 2016 9:06am
mikenmild

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I don’t know about you igm, but I spent all my youth on holidays, drinking and smoking. Now look at us: I own my own home while you are stuck in a council bed-sit.
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July 29, 2016 9:11am
Huevon

I’m Catholic but I think this current pope can jump in a lake. Telling the Polish they should admit rapefugees and terrorists into their country. Faithful, loyal Poland. Shafted by the Nazis and the communists and now the one institution they believed in. Oh, and Francis, how is your Vatican City border wall working out for you?
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July 29, 2016 9:18am
MickMac

It is hard not to think what our lovely little country could be like if we allow liberals like DPF to continue to run the country as we have.
As in their minds eye everyone should be given a chance regardless of history in multiple places elsewhere.

The real sadness is whats the alternative?
Milky’s lot?

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8391/germany-muslim-interpreters
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July 29, 2016 9:19am
igm

milkwimp: You own nothing, in fact you are in debt. If my reports are correct, you have many collections and defaults loaded against you. Don’t try to pull others down to your filthy low level of existence, even if it is the left-wing union way.
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July 29, 2016 9:20am
mikenmild

What’s on the agenda today, igm? Touring Palmie for free by bus on your Gold Card before the cheap buffet opens at the Cossie Club. Perhaps an afternoon nap in the nice warm public library?
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July 29, 2016 9:25am
igm

milkwimp: Don’t be total fuckwit, I have business commitments, which would be well beyond your envious comprehension. If I had a Gold Card I would use it, as I pay too much in rates, and taxes, keeping filth such as you.
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July 29, 2016 9:29am
itstricky

What’s on the agenda today, igm?

Horoscopes?

you have many collections and defaults loaded against you.
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July 29, 2016 9:29am
kowtow

Huevon

And this is another Catholic who’s mightily pissed off at the “social justice” agenda , whatever the hell that is that Frankie and his local bishops here in Aotearoa are pushing…..

……while their own people are being ethnically cleansed in the ME and colleagues slaughtered at the altar.
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July 29, 2016 9:30am
Odakyu-sen

Is rolling a loader underground common?
Do loaders have roll cages and seat belts?
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July 29, 2016 9:31am
kowtow

Padriv

Change the the victims to goats instead of little piggies .Lone wolves don’t eat pork.
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July 29, 2016 9:32am
Keeping Stock

Tarquin, an even more distressing read in the Herald today was the quiz, where question five asked:

Protester Penny Bright last paid rates to Auckland Council in May of which year?
2007
2010
2013

@ RalphT – It should probably read “Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright is being sued by Auckland Council for point-blank refusing to pay her fair share since
2007
2010
2013
despite using all the services that everyday ratepayers DO pay for, even if it stretches their budget”.

That would be far more accurate.
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July 29, 2016 9:40am
mikenmild

igm
Turning up for housie twice a week is not a ‘business commitment’.
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July 29, 2016 9:41am
Captain Mainwaring

Teletubby, Angry and Stoner Twitford, take note.
Not everyone’s a moaning bludger.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/82571726/wellington-man-becomes-home-owner-at-21-after-saving-since-he-was-7
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July 29, 2016 9:50am
Scott

An old Catholic priest murdered because he had the audacity to take mass in his own church with 4 of 5 other elderly people. If the Muslims think they can do that and get away with it what else will they do? It also shows us that Muslims cannot stand Christians at worship. Even within the confines of their own church with just a few souls present Muslims are angry and will murder Christians.

There is a crisis in the West. There is one leader that has emerged that actually understands there is a crisis. There is one leader that has articulated the principle of greatness of the past and the foundations of what made us great. He does this in a bombastic and vulgar way but in the heart of things he understands it in a way that fluent and cultured people like Obama never can and never will.

This is the best article that I have ever read to help us understand Donald Trump and the need for a person like Trump to defend the West and Western civilisation. I feel it is required reading for anyone who is not a leftist and who actually believes in our nation and the foundations on which it was built. It can be found here –
http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/donald-trump-and-the-american-crisis/
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July 29, 2016 9:51am
dime

“Mamma Merkel doubles down and wants more potential terrorists for Germany and Europe.”

If Hitler was dead he’d be rolling in his grave
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July 29, 2016 9:51am
SGA

Scott at 9:51 am
“There is one leader that has emerged that actually understands there is a crisis. There is one leader that has articulated the principle of greatness of the past and the foundations of what made us great. …
the need for a person like Trump to defend the West and Western civilisation.”

We are doomed then.
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July 29, 2016 10:02am
Scott

Read the article SGA. Trump fundamentally understands the need to connect to the people. There are liberal elites who have been running the show for their own benefit and the people are not represented. Now the people are taking their country back.
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July 29, 2016 10:07am
jonar

Trump backed by North Korea

http://qz.com/743829/north-korea-gave-a-glowing-endorsement-of-donald-trump-in-the-us-election/
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July 29, 2016 10:13am
Sofia

Scott – “An old Catholic priest murdered because he had the audacity to take mass in his own church with 4 of 5 other elderly people. If the Muslims think they can do that and get away with it what else will they do?”
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It seems that Islamic State (ISIS) awaits the army of “Rome” (the West) to be defeated at Dabiq, in Syria, to begin “the countdown to the apocalypse”, that Rome will set up their camp and the forces of Islam will meet them, and Dabiq will be Rome’s Waterloo or its Antietam.

Each ISIS barbaric atrocity in the West – Paris, Brussels, Nice, Munich – is an invitation to Dabiq, but it could take a little while when Western leaders and media fail to address what is happening – fail utterly to even identify Islam or Islamic Extremism as the motive.

Obama can’t bring himself to use the word ‘Islam’ in talking about it, and Hillary goes even further, tweeting: “Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”

It surely dooms the West to more and more extreme and horrific attacks until their purpose is recognized. If beheading an elderly priest won’t do it, perhaps it needs a dirty bomb.

Meanwhile, ISIS in their actions are closer to the 7th century killings, tortures and nastiness of Muhammad – in his latter life, and in the Koran later teachings trounce earlier ones – and to condemn them is condemn Muhammad, who Islam holds to be the supreme example of the perfect human.
And if Muhammad’s teachings are discredited, what do 1.6 billion followers world-wide then believe in?
When ISIS really get going a fucking enormous number of “moderate” Muslims are going to be dispatched as well as any other unbelievers who will not Submit to Allah.
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July 29, 2016 10:24am
AgentBallSack

Who’s the most miserable fuckwit public servant, whos wages are paid by the 99% of us who don’t leach off the public tit to grace the pages of this esteemed site???

Hint: It’s not Trevor Mallard.
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July 29, 2016 10:32am
stephieboy

Scott, like a devoted Trump true believer as he ushers in the new dawn of riches for all . Trust me.

The facts are the tragedy at Rouen was carried by sick ISIS supporters who happen be Muslim . When the IRA and Protestant Loyalists carried out terrorist outrages we didn’t say they were Christians now did we ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/topics/troubles_violence

Or ?

Trump backed by North Korea . Surreal ! Now Scott and other Trumpists how do you get your heads around that one ?

It won’t be long before Trump receives an endorsement by ISIS !
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July 29, 2016 10:34am
AgentBallSack

“Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”

Let’s welcome the next President of the United States of America, President Donald Trump!
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July 29, 2016 10:39am
lastmanstanding

Sigh The reason Putin and North Korea are backing Trump is that they hope it frightens his would be supporters to vote for Hilary.

The last thing they want is Trump as POTUS because he will stand up to them and wont back down like Barry has and like Hilary will.

Trump wont take bullshit from these bully boys which is all they are. Like all bully boys they are cowards and back down to the first sign of strength.

Very smart of them. Most people wont see their real motives.
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July 29, 2016 10:41am
Ashley Schaeffer

When the IRA and Protestant Loyalists carried out terrorist outrages we didn’t say they were Christians now did we ?

When did either faction claim that their actions were sanctioned by God and/or their religion?
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July 29, 2016 10:44am
stephieboy

North Korea says Trump isn’t screwy at all, a wise choice for president

This provides the North Korean rationale for supporting Trump ,

“It turns out that Trump is not the rough-talking, screwy, ignorant candidate they say he is,” notes the column,”but is actually a wise politician and a prescient presidential candidate.” Trump, the column says, could free America from “living every minute and second on pins and needles” in fear of a nuclear attack from Pyongyang.

The site refers to Hillary Clinton as “thick-headed Hillary,” because of her proposal to impose sanctions to North Korea over its nuclear program. It lauds Trump for his comments on withdrawing US troops from South Korea, which North Korea—a country whose nuclear program has been subject to UN sanctions for many years—welcomes as a helpful step in unifying the two Koreas. (North Korea has been threatening the South, as well as the US, with nuclear strikes.)”

http://qz.com/743829/north-korea-gave-a-glowing-endorsement-of-donald-trump-in-the-us-election/

Not sure if Pyongyang will be happy when der leader encourages and facilitates South Korea and Japan etc to develop their own nuclear weapons .
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July 29, 2016 10:46am
kowtow

shawn h and the homo painted police car.

Funny innit, how the UK Plod are so eager to be seen to appease one tiny but vociferous section of society , but in so doing will upset a growing and militantly vociferous section of society , whom senior Plod also bend over backwards to appease, the Mohammedans.

And through it all , the ordinary everyday John and Jane are studiously ignored by the Establishment. Not only are they ignored, but if they were to express a dissenting voice they could be liable to criminal charges for “hate speech”.

There’s no shortage of Plod Stations who want to fly the so called rainbow flag from their flagpoles when such advocacy has absolutely no place on any government building.
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July 29, 2016 10:49am
stephieboy

Ashley Schaeffer, the troubles and IRA and Loyalist terrorist actions were between two clearly identifiable groups identifying themselves as either Catholic or Protestant .

Ask Kowtow !

The point is that you cannot hold 650 Syrian and other refugees or immigrants responsible for the actions of ISIS . That is the lunatic reasoning that you can expect of an Islamaphobic
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July 29, 2016 10:53am
mandk

“When the IRA and Protestant Loyalists carried out terrorist outrages we didn’t say they were Christians now did we ?”

What an idiotic comment!

Tell me stephieboy, what does the “R” stand for in IRA? (Hint: It’s not “Religious”).

And what does “UVF” stand for? (Hint: None of the letters has a remotely Christian connection).

The IRA didn’t chant the Hail Mary before setting off bombs.

The UVF didn’t invoke Martin Luther before executing republicans.

But all the ISIS murderers shout “Allahu Akbar” before driving trucks over children, shooting cops and chopping the heads off old priests.
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July 29, 2016 10:56am
mikenmild

Sofia

Obama can’t bring himself to use the word ‘Islam’ in talking about it

Will this do, from yesterday’s speech?
“Anyone who threatens our values, whether fascists or communists or jihadists or homegrown demagogues, will always fail.”
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July 29, 2016 10:59am
mikenmild

mandk
Next you will tell us that the Catholics and Protestants have always lived happily together in Northern Ireland.
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July 29, 2016 11:03am
stephieboy

mandk , clearly the roots of the Troubles were religious and animosity and hatred between Catholics and Protestants which both the IRA and Protestant loyalists drew their ideology and rationale from !

Ask Kowtow !
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July 29, 2016 11:04am
Ashley Schaeffer

stephieboy, it was primarily a political struggle between nationalists/republicans versus unionists/loyalists. Your equivalency was entirely false, but you aren’t educated enough to understand this.
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July 29, 2016 11:04am
mandk

@ mikenmild (11.03)

That argument is just as stupid as stephieboy’s.

You can usually do much better.
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July 29, 2016 11:11am
sooty

Wahi mine, something smells. Rolled down slope? Looking all night? Had to go down 40km of shaft to find him? Edit added last 3 words
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July 29, 2016 11:14am
mikenmild

You don’t think there was any religious basis to the conflict in Northern Ireland?
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July 29, 2016 11:14am
Scott Hamilton

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has made white nationalism fashionable. But the notion of white identity is based not only on bigotry but on pseudo-history: http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2016/07/kendrick-smithymans-rebuke-to-trump.html
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July 29, 2016 11:16am
sooty

Could we have a bit more room between buttons. Fat fingers do not help.
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July 29, 2016 11:17am
Ashley Schaeffer

And it’s not “Islamaphobic” [sic] to be concerned about Islam when so much violence around the world is being committed in the name of Islam. Naivety is not a virtue.
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July 29, 2016 11:17am
Kimbo

@ Ashley Schaeffer

When did either faction claim that their actions were sanctioned by God and/or their religion?

Um, the Reverend Ian Paisley, who was both a clergyman and the spiritual voice for thousands of Ulster Protestant’s whose interpretation of their religion caused them to identify as Loyalists/Unionist, and also a political leader and sometime MP.

Religion was not the sole nor even necessarily the primary cause of “The Troubles”. Nonetheless it was not absent from the conflict. Indeed, without religion there would have been no conflict.
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July 29, 2016 11:23am
Scott Hamilton

‘The UVF didn’t invoke Martin Luther before executing republicans’

The Troubles are a very complex piece of history, but there demonstrably was a religious aspect to the ideology of Loyalist militants involved in the conflict. The UVF may not have invoked Luther before carrying out executions, but their propagandists certainly presented the struggle as religious in character. The Tara organisation, which overlapped with the UVF, had an eschatological and super-sectarian worldview that could be compared in many ways to the ideas of ISIS. Tara preached a form of British Israelism and end times theology, holding that Ulster Protestants were a lost tribe of Israel and that the war with the Satanic Papists was a harbinger of the second coming of Christ.

The Republican tradition has been much more secular, and in fact the IRA in the ’70s under Ruairi O’Bradaigh was as much a critic of the Catholicism of the southern Irish state as of the sectarian character of the northern Irish state.
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July 29, 2016 11:24am
Ashley Schaeffer

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has made white nationalism fashionable.

Total bullshit from the left who are in denial about the groundswell of support Trump is also receiving from non-white Americans. They very fact that colour is being dragged into it tells you that it’s a left-wing talking point who aim to divide and conquer using identity politics.
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July 29, 2016 11:25am
Scott Hamilton

‘The very fact that colour is being dragged into it’

Surely colour gets dragged into it when Trump retweets and quotes white supremacists and neo-Nazis? This has happened again and again, and helps account for the some of the flavour of the support Trump gets at sites like Breitbart. I’ve looked at a few threads there, and I’d say about a quarter of pro-Trump comments come from people expressing an explicitly white supremacist worldview.
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July 29, 2016 11:29am
Scott Hamilton

‘the groundswell of support Trump is also receiving from non-white Americans’

Didn’t a recent poll find that Trump getting only one percent of the black vote? I think his regular retweeting of white supremacists probably has something to do with that.
http://time.com/4389251/donald-trump-1-percent-support-poll/
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July 29, 2016 11:31am
Keeping Stock

@ mikenmild and igm – can you guys get a room, where you can abuse one another to your heart’s content?
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July 29, 2016 11:38am
mikenmild

Here’s Trump’s latest gig to reach out to xeonophobes. A Q&A on a sub-Reddit dominated by white supremacists and other assorted trolls:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/28/how_donald_trump_s_reddit_ama_rewarded_hateful_trolls.html
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July 29, 2016 11:39am
rangitoto

“North Korea says Trump isn’t screwy at all, a wise choice for president”

“Only please, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me into the briar patch.” Says Brer Rabbit
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July 29, 2016 11:40am
kowtow

Arguably the troubles in NI are largely but not exclusively a proletarian issue , the middle classes , other than the politicians themselves largely hold themselves aloof from the disgusting violence there.

The first policeman murdered was killed by Loyalist terrorists , while the first civilians killed by the British army were two Protestants.
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July 29, 2016 11:46am
kowtow

I see that the national and international MSM has not got its collective knickers in a twist about three Nigerian drug traffickers being popped in Indonesia .

When a black is shot in the US , it’s all on , front page, lead the broadcasts , but it’s OK for our Muslim neighbours to do it, a whimper here or there, but the contrast is striking.

Black lives only matter when a US cop does it. The politicisation of race.

Talking of identity culture wars , how is it OK for Crooked Hilary to bleat on about wimmin in politics , thereby alienating half the electorate when its not OK for a white candidate to allegedly alienate Muzzies and Mexis?

Media double standards , that’s why.
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July 29, 2016 11:53am
Ross12

How the political PR game is played. Many people are still not accepting of the Brexit vote so they help manufacture a scare but because they know it is BS they come along after the headlines are published and Twitter the fact that it is BS. But the public are highly unlikely to see the twitter correction

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/28/lloyds-bank-admits-cuts-nothing-brexit-doubles-profits-uk-booms/
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July 29, 2016 12:04pm
starboard

“I felt the same way yesterday when I heard they’d put *Maori* words on banknotes.”

Ah yes Itsdrippy…but we have found a way of righting this fouling of our banknotes..the soiling of our money with that funny stone age language..its called a black marker pen.
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July 29, 2016 12:09pm
RF

pdm. 9.01am. I agree but it’s true.

The crusaders of old have gone. Read just has not got the X factor and I suspect he will not be the ABs skipper as others are worried about his decision making. You need brains as well as brawn.
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July 29, 2016 12:12pm
mikenmild

starboard you fuckwit:

28 Defacing bank notes
(1) No person shall, without the prior consent of the Bank, wilfully deface, disfigure, or mutilate any bank note.
(3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or subsection (2) commits an offence against this Act and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000.

If you ever get a passport, you might notice that it is in Maori too.
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July 29, 2016 12:15pm
Scott Hamilton

I think we should send comrade Starboard a nice wad of bills from King Tawhiao’s Te Peeki o Aotearoa:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k-pTe1_yRgw/U2xGdMCCc2I/AAAAAAAAD0c/SGMI9rdEAEw/s1600/P1020935.JPG

The Crown didn’t seem to mind the Maori King issuing his own currency. They put him on the first NZ pound notes:
http://www.leftovercurrency.com/Resources/banknote-reserve-bank-new-zealand-1-pound-1934-maori-chief-kiwi-bird.jpg
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July 29, 2016 12:21pm
Shawn Herles

“The facts are the tragedy at Rouen was carried by sick ISIS supporters who happen be Muslim”

That claim has nothing to do with facts. ISIS or their supporters do not “just happen” to be Muslim. Islam, actual real world Islam, not a perversion of it, IS their only motivation and an Islamic Caliphate is their goal.

They were not mentally ill. They were Muslims.

Despite Kimbo’s ongoing propaganda campaign for Islamic terrorists, there is no comparison to the Irish troubles.

Now I understand that you, Kimbo and mikey like to run interference for ISIS and Islam and that pictures of their victims give you all a hard on, being sick retards with no lives, but have any of you considered psychotherapy for your issues, rather than spewing your insane filth on KB all day?
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July 29, 2016 12:30pm
Left Right and Centre

As seen on KB advert . . .

Confitex – pad free and fully washable. Absorbent underwear for bladder leakage.

Whoa – fully washable ? Forget bladder leakage – and say hello to never again getting out of bed to take a piss – game changer
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July 29, 2016 12:34pm
starboard

Lol..MM’s losing the plot again..tsk tsk, must you use such foul language when you are on on the losing end of an argument..it happens all too often mikey. Look out for a defaced banknote coming your way MM..
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July 29, 2016 12:34pm
howitis

Great for the people above who are Catholics!
How long does it take to see through this dodgy outfit?

The filthy dirty enabler and protector of paedophiles, Cardinal Pell of Australia, was given safe sanctuary by the Vatican to hide away from Australia when the heat came on.
The gutless paedophile enabler and possible pedo himself (current AU police investigation) then said he was too unwell to return to Australia to face a legitimate government appointed Royal commission.

Now the pedo-loving bastard takes it further to say the Australian police and media have conspired to frame him. What!

He was such a big man when little boys were forced to bend over.

There is deemed doolan retirement at 75 for these critters.
The Satanist popey boy has confirmed that Pell can stay on. popey is another paedophile enabler in the sick chain.

Now Pell, who was too sick to travel to Australia for the Commission of Inquiry, is confirmed as CFO for the Multi Billion dollar catholic church until 2019. No doubt they will go on about poverty ad nauseum while buggery continues B.A.U. in the temple.

A few years ago the money grubbers were so crooked The Bank of Italy cut them off from processing credit cards and Eftpos.
…..In 2010, Italian banks stopped dealing with the Vatican bank, officially known as the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), after the BOI told them they had to enforce strict anti-money laundering criteria……

…. For years, Italian financial authorities have been looking with suspicion on operations carried out by the Vatican financial institution, with allegations of money laundering being leveled on several occasions…..

Jeepers this from a cult that will only take on young men who take a vow they will never sleep with a women.
You reap what you sow.
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July 29, 2016 12:38pm
Rachael Membery

I think the taxpayers union should investigate the nz governments grant dept. I apparently got my name and ph number randomly to give me 3k. Nice of the Wellington govt to be so free with tax money lol
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July 29, 2016 12:38pm
big bruv

Lol, forgotten about already.

http://jezebel.com/lordes-uber-driver-gushed-about-picking-up-a-celebrity-1784399719

Does anybody now doubt that the teenager from Takapuna was anything other than a one hit wonder?
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July 29, 2016 12:45pm
Steve (North Shore)

I didn’t see starboard defacing money – it was me, and I’m going to keep on doing it
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July 29, 2016 12:45pm
kowtow

howitis

There is no evidence , other than a filthy media led ,taxpayer funded , smear campaign against Pell.

A Bolt appears to be the only sane media voice on this disgusting MSM activity.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/chief_commissioner_hails_pells_victims_no_trial_required/
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July 29, 2016 12:50pm
starboard

You hit the North Island Steveo..I’ll do the South..give it a week MM, you’ll have a defaced note in your wallet courtesy of the tag team, S and S.
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July 29, 2016 12:54pm
Scott Hamilton

This 1973 document by TARA, the Loyalist organisation connected to the UVF, gives an insight into the millenarian ieology of some of the combatants in the Troubles, and resonates interestingly with the propaganda of ISIS today.

‘The aim of the enemy is the destruction of our faith. This they hope to achieve by creating a total war situation. Plans are in existence for this purpose. What has happened is the beginning of the final chapter of an age-long campaign to subjugate and subdue the Protestant people of Ireland. This is an essential preparation for the campaign against the Protestant character of the British Throne.

The Roman Catholic Church must be declared an illegal organisation. History proves that it is a conspiracy against the fortunes and liberties of mankind. For generations this evil thing has blighted our land. It must be destroyed…

The situation is dark. The enemy is strong Great and grievious difficulties will have to be faced, but all is not lost! Ulster is God’s anvil on which is being forged the future not only of Ireland, but of all the British people of which we are proud to form a part. Knowing this, we throw down the challenge to a desperate foe—hammer away, ye hostile bands, your hammers break, God’s anvil stands!

FIVE OF YOU SHALL CHASE AN HUNDRED AND AN HUNDRED OF YOU SHALL PUT TEN THOUSAND TO FLIGHT: AND YOUR ENEMIES SHALL FALL BEFORE YOU BY THE SWORD . . . FOR I WILL ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH YOU . . . AND I WILL CUT OFF THE NAMES OF THE IDOLS OUT OF THE LAND AND THEY SHALL NO MORE BE REMEMBERED . . . FOR THE MOUTH OF THE LORD HATH SPOKEN IT.’

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/organ/docs/tara73.htm
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July 29, 2016 12:54pm
stephieboy

Ashley Schaeffer (802 comments) says:
July 29th, 2016 at 11:04 am

stephieboy, it was primarily a political struggle between nationalists/republicans versus unionists/loyalists. Your equivalency was entirely false, but you aren’t educated enough to understand this.

Take away Catholicism and Protestantism and what do you have ?

I believe the IRA though espousing an element of secularism here vitally linked to Southern Irish Nationalism which was fundamentally Catholic.Similar parallels to Polish nationalism .
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July 29, 2016 12:56pm
Scott Hamilton

‘you’ll have a defaced note in your wallet’

Just be sure to cross out ‘New Zealand’, as well. After all, that was a term synonymous with Maori and Maoridom for most of the 19th century. When Macaulay wrote his famous sentence of a New Zealander of the future coming to London to see the ruin of St Paul’s he wasn’t talking about a Pakeha.
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July 29, 2016 12:58pm
starboard

pakeha..ppfftt, now THATS offensive.
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July 29, 2016 1:05pm
Fletch

If you ever get a passport, you might notice that it is in Maori too.

I really don’t see the need for Maori translations on everything. According to the last census we had in 2013, only 3% of people in New Zealand even speak Maori. Of those that do, I doubt there isn’t anyone who doesn’t speak English and needs Maori on their passports, money, and the names of Govt departments.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/2013-census-infographic-nzvillage.aspx
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July 29, 2016 1:06pm
Shawn Herles

This may explain Kimbo’s enthusiasm for importing more Muslims.

‘From Calvinism To Islam’

“Bowe Bergdahl went absent without leave from, and apparently deserted, his infantry unit in Afghanistan. He and his father have adopted the language and other external signs of Moslems and are said by some to have become Moslems.

Bowe Bergdahl was home-schooled and raised as a very strict Calvinist. It should not surprise us that a Calvinist has become a Moslem. The two religions have much in common.

Both have a constricted view of the nature of God, a view that limits human responsibility. Calvinism is characterized by a belief that, before all time, God decided who was saved and who was damned. Whatever good we do cannot save us if we have been damned. No matter how much we pray to God for our salvation, no matter how much others pray for our salvation, no matter how much the saints intercede for us, our predestined end cannot change.

The analogous belief in Islam is that everything is Allah’s will. No matter how careful we are, if Allah intends for us to be killed in an automobile accident, it will happen. If we drive 100 miles per hour drunk on the wrong side of a highway, and Allah does not intend for us to be killed, we will not be.

Calvinism and Islam are characterized by unjust and harsh laws. John Calvin had a baby’s hand cut off when the baby hit his father. Women are killed in Moslem countries for things beyond their control.”

http://www.westernjournalism.com/calvinism-islam/

‘Islam’s Allah and Calvinism’s God: An Uncomfortable Comparison’

“While many uncritically equate Allah and Yahweh, informed Christians and Muslims reject it out of hand. But this raises another, and more troubling question: What if a group of Christian theologians conceive of God in a way that sounds a lot like the Allah of Islam?

A wrong concept of God is at the heart of every non-Christian religion – like Islam, but it is troubling to find that unbiblical views of God are also present in many ‘strands’ of Christianity, and are a source of theological and spiritual-life confusion in many Christians’ lives.

With this in mind, my purpose today is to compare the concepts of Allah in Islam and God in Calvinism.”

https://newbraunfelsbible.org/uncategorized/islams-allah-and-calvinisms-god-an-uncomfortable-comparison/
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July 29, 2016 1:06pm
kowtow

Birmingham which withstood the blitz is now a Muslim shithole.

What have the politicians done to their own countries?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3713743/Islamic-street-preacher-confronts-police-officer-investigating-complaint-against-screams-not-terrorists-not-suicide-bombers.html
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July 29, 2016 1:09pm
Michael

If everyone in Northern Ireland was a Catholic then there would be no Northern Island as such, the whole country would just be called Ireland. [Eire ]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe-july-dec12-nireland_07-11/
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July 29, 2016 1:09pm
stephieboy

From Spencer Watch ,

“About Robert Spencer and his purported family history “,

The bloody and confrontational circumstances surrounding the purported personal history of Spencer’s family provide a logical explanation for the animus towards Islam and Muslims in much of the polemical work that Spencer has produced since achieving a public profile through his David Horowitz funded website, JihadWatch. It also explains his hostility to Turkey, and the reason he would join a genocidal Facebook group that called for Turkey to be “ethnically cleansed” of Turkish Muslims.,

http://spencerwatch.com/about-robert-spencer/

Robert Spencer’s “Scholarly” Credentials
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Robert Spencer’s 15 minutes of fame is centered around the grand deception that he is a world-renowned “Islamic scholar and expert.” But Robert Spencer’s biography and educational background quickly reveal that he is nothing close. Here’s a quick fact check (for a full synopsis read, Is Robert Spencer a Scholar? On Spencer’s Credentials):

How many Ph.D’s does Robert Spencer hold on the subject of Islam, Muslims, Islamic history, or Islamic Studies including peer reviewed papers ?

Zero, zero, zero ,

http://spencerwatch.com/real-scholars-experts-on-islam/

The Ludicrous Lies of Robert Spencer,

“If you’ve read anything by Robert Spencer, you already know that he will blatantly lie when cornered.

Today he responds to my piece for the Guardian, with a ridiculous article that calls Pamela Geller a defamed freedom fighter. Spencer leaves out all the childish insults that he normally posts at his own site, because he’s trying to seem rational. And failing miserably.

The “freedom” Pamela Geller fights for is the freedom to hate. Her entire blog is dedicated to relentlessly demonizing all Muslims, and Spencer seems to think that by tossing out a storm of pure bullshit he can make people look the other way and not see the insanity that drips from every page of her website. Here’s a partial list of the crazy conspiracy theories and hateful ranting that is Geller’s daily fare.

Read more at http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37400_The_Ludicrous_Lies_of_Robert_Spencer#TrVra7gSPpPvHbDg.99
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July 29, 2016 1:10pm
starboard

Looks like the cut and paste stiffybot is on shift this arvo, I prefer the stiiffybot with poor grammar skills, the one which babbles in 2 sentences then runs away..
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July 29, 2016 1:16pm
Steve (North Shore)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/klgf0iu0c01x61b/iTunes.jpg?dl=0
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July 29, 2016 1:20pm
mikenmild

BTW starboard, just in case you were thinking of applying for a passport so you could cross out all the Maori words on that too, you might find that could be costly too:

(1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly, and without lawful authority or reasonable excuse,—
(a) deletes, alters, or copies any information recorded in or on a New Zealand travel document database; or
(b) allows any information recorded in or on a New Zealand travel document database to be deleted, altered, or copied; or
(c) records any information (whether correct or incorrect) in or on a New Zealand travel document database; or
(d) allows any information (whether correct or incorrect) to be recorded in or on a New Zealand travel document database; or

(4) Every person who commits an offence against subsection (1) is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years, a fine not exceeding $250,000, or both.
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July 29, 2016 1:22pm
stephieboy

starboard , just learn to be happy and be grateful for small mercies ,

“North Korea says Trump isn’t screwy at all, a wise choice for president

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S
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July 29, 2016 1:26pm
Manolo

Ungrateful scum: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/694260/mourners-Muslim-Allahu-Akbar-Munich-shooting

During the incident, a group of Muslim men arrived at the memorial and disrupted silent mourners who had gathered together at the scene to pay their respects to the dead.

They repeatedly chanted “Allahu Akbar!”, an Islamic phrase that translates to “God is the greatest.”
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July 29, 2016 1:27pm
mikenmild

Dream job?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/themes/food/82617654/us-institute-advertises-job-for-a-travelling-beer-taster-and-it-pays-well-too
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