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Lucia Maria

Kowtow,

The Poles saved Europe many times and they know it.

I hope this means you are going to be paying more attention to whom the Poles think is dangerous …. such as Russia.
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July 27, 2016 6:58pm
Reid

Could Turkey be using Incirlik Air Base as a bargaining tool to form a nuclear caliphate? Could Incirlik Air Base be the next Benghazi?

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=52469
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July 27, 2016 6:58pm
stephieboy

Reid , I don’t think so . Here’s why with some clues ,

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July 27, 2016 7:16pm
Stars And Stripes

Shoppers urged to donate sanitary products for needy
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11682505

“Manurewa MP and Labour Youth Affairs spokesperson Louisa Wall said many young women on tight budgets, including high school and university students, cannot afford to buy sanitary items.”

Given she is a muff diver I would have thought cleaning up was the least of her worries.
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July 27, 2016 7:19pm
EAD

http://yournewswire.com/rothschild-hosts-100000-per-head-dinner-for-chosen-one-hillary/
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July 27, 2016 7:24pm
AgentBallSack

Its amazing how necessities like women’s hygiene products get pushed to the back of the shopping list when you can buy hair dye, tattoos, alcohol and pay for sky.
Maybe they need a man to take care of them. Are there any pretty Labour girls?
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July 27, 2016 7:33pm
Rachael Membery

Nookin (4,574 comments) says:

July 27th, 2016 at 6:32 pm
Did you go to moderation?

Can I confine myself to facts that I think that a prosecutor should have been able to put before the jury and that the public and the jury were denied?

My issue with the Moko case, is that of all the cases that there have sadly been, where there has been demonstrable doubt, that this case was more likely to have got murder convictions. I mean seriously do we need proof of three eye witnesses older than 18 etc etc to reach that burden of proof. What does it take?

I think that the public engagement is good, the public understand how these things work better. Mind you so do the future perpetrators of these crimes and their lawyers.

I am also aware that nothing would count as ‘justice’ for some. But then I believe in full disclosure and not treating a jury as sheep so that they can make an informed decision. Which is not the system that we have, we hobble our juries and then wonder at their decisions.
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July 27, 2016 7:34pm
AgentBallSack

How many elephants does it take to change a light bulb?
A> None. Elephants live in caves to escape the bombing raids.
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July 27, 2016 7:38pm
nasska

….”Are there any pretty Labour girls?”….

Most of those that I’ve seen have had a hell hiding from the ugly stick Ballsack.

Take a sugar bag! 🙂
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July 27, 2016 7:39pm
Stars And Stripes

Are there any pretty Labour girls?

If your definition of pretty is a fat ass in tights and facial hair followed around by a couple of snotty looking poorly dressed kids then the answer is no.
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July 27, 2016 7:40pm
stephieboy

EAD, from your link ,

U.S. Defence Scientist Says Our Moon Is An ‘Alien Structure’,

“A U.S. Defence scientist has said that our moon is home to alien technology and extraterrestrials that work closely with government’s from around the world….”

Sigh !

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Sigh yet again !
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July 27, 2016 7:42pm
Nookin

Rachael, where have I even hinted at the thought that debate has no merit? We are debating aren’t we? I am directing my comment to the argument that there should be judicial or other oversight or control over any decision to reduce a murder charge to manslaughter because the killers of Moko would, according to the likes of Rodney Hide (who professed to having had a look at the Crimes Act) would absolutely and undeniably have gone down for murder.

If that decision was flawed then prove it! Don’t just make bald and unsupported statements of fact. They don’t wash. Sure, you might get some populist pollies (Winnie?) who may take the view that there are votes in it but to argue for a sweeping change in the law based on an unproven premise seems to me to be doomed from the outset. If you disagree or, if you think that there is a more valid premise, go for it. The fact that I disagree with a view does not mean that the debate should shut down. That is just silly.
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July 27, 2016 7:51pm
Shawn Herles

@Rachael Membery 3:40 pm

“Not that comfortable with men, women and child nudists myself.”

Heh, nor am I. It was the “sluts” and “extermination” rhetoric that sickened me.
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July 27, 2016 7:52pm
Rachael Membery

Nookin (4,575 comments) says:

July 27th, 2016 at 7:51 pm

Unfortunately there will be a next time, and I feel that at least if it is politicized that it might stay in the national consciousness a bit longer.

If that means that the responsible ministers and decision makers know that notice is being taken by the public, then that can only be all to the good.

The only people defending the actions of Shailer and Haerewa are their lawyers, and I am well aware that they are just doing their job.

In fact I was explaining the need for good defence lawyers to some at Rotorua while waiting for the sentence.
As for flawed decisions… we will never know.
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July 27, 2016 8:04pm
Chuck Bird

The fact is, I simply do not know and I am not prepared to pass any opinion on whether they would inevitably have been convicted of murder or whether there was a possibility that one or other or both may have walked altogether.

So do you believe that unless the the Crown thought that there was no chance that one or both of the scum bags would walk altogether the were justified in this backroom plea bargain?

If the bar was meant to be certainty we could forget about trials.

I am arguing for transparency and treating the relations of homicide victims with respect. It appears you support the status quo.

Rachael did not mention Winston. I did.

You claim he is a populist. Well most politicians are. Have you ever met him? I have and I have meant John Key once. That was enough. Well no one is perfect and that includes you, I, Winston and Key. However, as far as honesty goes I would rate Winston way ahead of Key.
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July 27, 2016 8:24pm
Lucia Maria

Poland hosts the World Youth Day

Wednesday, 27 July 2016, 1:33 pm
Press Release: Embassy of the Republic of Poland

Wellington, 27 July 2016

Krakow, Poland hosts the World Youth Day – Press Release

From 26 to 31 July pilgrims from around the world meet in Krakow, Poland to celebrate together a nearly week-long festival of faith, which bears the name World Youth Day. It will end with Holy Mass celebrated by Pope Francis.

More than 100 pilgrims from New Zealand are joining the celebration of the World Youth Day in Krakow. Over a half of them from Auckland, over 20 young people from Christchurch. There are also groups and individuals from Hamilton, Palmerston North and Wellington region. [A b]ig part of this contingent is made up of young people of Polish origin. The Pacific countries will be also represented in Krakow, with 12 pilgrims from Tonga, 26 from Kiribati and others from Fiji and Cook Islands.

My oldest son is WYD pilgrim. He arrived in Poland two nights ago – we got a text at 3am to let us know he was there.
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July 27, 2016 8:25pm
pentwig

Lucia Maria (4,204 comments) says:
July 27th, 2016 at 6:36 pm
pentwig,

Have you ever talked about anything else beside trolling stephieboy?

Lucia
Sometimes in the past when I had time.
But now I pass through KB and see daffy arrogantly condoning muslim murder on western society.
He implies it with pride and smugness.
They are not my values or I believe any other commentator on KB unless they are trolls.
So I will ridicule the thing I call daffy. Without any apology.
Daffy only deserves contempt imho.
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July 27, 2016 8:29pm
Lucia Maria

pentwig,

It looks odd that your sole focus here is stephieboy.

So, what have you talked about previously?
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July 27, 2016 8:42pm
pentwig

Lucia
Who cares?
But maybe homosexuality or something equally repugnant. I don’t remember. Too long ago.
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July 27, 2016 8:52pm
mikenmild

Lucia
You must be bored out of your mind to strike up a conversation with pentwig.
What is a pentwig, anyway? Sounds like some kind of unpleasant insect.
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July 27, 2016 8:59pm
pentwig

Good grief.
I gave daffy a capital d.
Buggar. My mistake.
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July 27, 2016 8:59pm
Lucia Maria

Mike,

I confess I am bored. You got me.

Even watching reruns of Sherlock isn’t helping.
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July 27, 2016 9:02pm
Nookin

A next time for what, Rachael? A plea bargain or a child beaten to death? If the debate is about plea bargaining then I think those arguing against plea bargaining are firing blanks. If the argument is about the outraged intolerance of child homicide then argue for a stricter regime. A new crime? Maybe. An amendment to the Sentencing Act may be more appropriated. Minimum sentences for child abuse. Penalties, not rewards for aiding and abetting – especially cover-ups. Isn’t it an absolute bloody disgrace that we live in a society where the police have to pay people to come forward when they know that babies are being brutalised?

I suggest that the focus is in the wrong place. If anyone seriously thinks that the police, crown and solicitor-general took a lesser plea because they wanted a soft option and an armschair ride then I suggest that they are deluded. I think that they took a no risk approach to ensure that both spent time. If someone wants to allege otherwise, effectively saying that they were acting in bad faith, then where is the proof?
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July 27, 2016 9:04pm
pentwig

I am certainly not a civil servant troughing the rate payer by spending all day day blogging instead of doing what you paid to do milkmaid. The confused gender lynn prent. must be so proud of you!!
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July 27, 2016 9:05pm
stephieboy

pentwit, then what are you ?

This ?

http://67.media.tumblr.com/7fef125e809cf13c809561a2e037a1c6/tumblr_n04kac9Gr61tp4dc1o4_400.gif
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July 27, 2016 9:09pm
AgentBallSack

Hi Stephen.
Hope you didnt break any laws.
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July 27, 2016 9:11pm
Rachael Membery

Nookin (4,576 comments) says:

July 27th, 2016 at 9:04 pm

A next time for both.

Agree totally with you about monetary incentives. Perhaps outrage at the suggestion might prompt behavior change.
It is however good that ideas are being bandied about, whether good or bad. Better than doing nothing.

I have no answers, but I think that it is sad that the system has so little faith in itself, in its ability to get a just result, that it has to hedge its bets.
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July 27, 2016 9:17pm
AgentBallSack

The fact that stephie can find me on FB tells me dotcom has the WO client list. Anything to further the “cause” huh?
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July 27, 2016 9:18pm
mikenmild

You are confused, pentwig.
Civil servants trough on the taxpayer. It’s the council workers who trough on the ratepayer.
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July 27, 2016 9:20pm
stephieboy

ABS. I sincerely believe that this will give you all the help you will ever need,

http://www.meaningfulideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Big-powerful-positive-delusions.jpg
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July 27, 2016 9:22pm
pentwig

Nope
Far too gay to be me daffy.
It’s not even a self portrayal of yourself unless you dressed in mufti for the shot and decided to forgo your usual boring white and blue floral frock.
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July 27, 2016 9:23pm
Inandout

Lucia Maria 8.25: I hope he has a safe and enjoyable time in Poland, separated from the dogs of Islam roaming the rest of Europe.
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July 27, 2016 9:24pm
AgentBallSack

No denial stephie? despite all the elephants?
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July 27, 2016 9:24pm
pentwig

Same ship different funnel milkmaid.
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July 27, 2016 9:26pm
AgentBallSack

So what next? A password crack? Brute force might work. Too bad I am changing my password to a l33t one now.
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July 27, 2016 9:28pm
stephieboy

Inandout, and enjoyable time too with the Polish Catholic and Muslim council ,

http://www.thenews.pl/67fb100c-3a7e-44ff-8588-442d691a28cb.file
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July 27, 2016 9:29pm
Chuck Bird

If someone wants to allege otherwise, effectively saying that they were acting in bad faith, then where is the proof?

Nookin

How can you get proof with backroom deals? All I am arguing for it transparency.
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July 27, 2016 9:45pm
Viking2

Happychappy (732 comments) says:
July 27th, 2016 at 6:13 pm

Viking2@4.46
And it wouldn’t matter if he had killed someone you would still be singing the same song, I just hope when or if someone attached you no one comes to your aid.What comes around goes around
———————
Quite right.
If you live by the sword you die by the sword.

And just to put you right the fellow shot wasn’t attacking anyone. He was waving his arms about shouting etc and was clear of anyone including the shooter.

Out if his tree on P. Could happen to your kids.
Think about it.
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July 27, 2016 9:57pm
Nostalgia-NZ

It’s one thing asking for transparency Chuck, but quite another to march on Courts to pressure the Judiciary on a decision, or to threaten to picket Judge’s houses wouldn’t you agree?

That sort of behaviour wouldn’t really be one of wanting openness, but rather way of using threatening behaviour to persuade others to a view, just like attacking a Jury that didn’t return a result that a group didn’t favour, or a Judge personally, because of his, or her, particularly judgement. It seems all such criticisms grow from a voice that wants to have things its own way – like vigilantees.
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July 27, 2016 10:09pm
Rachael Membery

Voldemort!!!
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July 27, 2016 10:11pm
Left Right and Centre

Or 35 like it because, as first comment for the day, it says something other than “Hello” or “First” and isn’t a fucking poem.

+1 control F ‘poem’ – back up we go . . .
200+ comments – what is it – super in the account day ?
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July 28, 2016 3:49am
Left Right and Centre

I self-describe as a Christian and it is also why all of my children have been baptized, even though not church attendant.

How do people that ‘self-describe’ themselves self-describe self-describing themselves ?
eeeeeeooooor – I self-describe as wharf woof wharrrrr
Do ya now ? Fantesticle.

Christian values, the ten commandments, a moral compass, surely is better than a void, or worse a substituted ethos.

Overnight talkback regular caller ?
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July 28, 2016 4:16am
Left Right and Centre

NZ’s very own religious breeding colony Gloviavale is back in vogue on peasantvision . . .
The many many many many many many kids born there are seriously retardedly mega fucked up.
Slow – talk about slow – I love washing everyone’s uniform all day – yeah – praise to the leader – it’s our calling to wash shit all day every day. Sometimes we change it up and get in the kitchen. I fucking love the kitchen – can’t wait to spend my life pregnant and doing housework. Inbred brainwashed hicks.

Is it whites only ? Didn’t see to many asians / polys / indians / specials.
One ‘man’ was getting hitched – he’s clearly ready to marry at 17 years of age. To someone called Dove Love. Arranged marriage. They courted for a full six weeks. Dove is the booby prize I’m guessing – was especially retarded even by their cross-eyed standards. 22 and getting seriously stale – and ffs – can’t have women standing around not giving birth to anything. That’s sinful – not trying to take over planet earth with one set of clothes.

They’ve got their finger locked on the trigger – full spastic breeding – as many as humanly possible. Around 600 now – not counting the ones that were born there and since gone off to live in sin elsewhere. Worse than third world – average age must be around 10-12.

That wouldn’t even work long term – there’s one planet – did the leader want them to fill it to starvation level with cross-eyed slow-talking ignorant brainwashed parrots ? If everyone on earth did what they’re doing – you’d run out of fuckin food and everything in nothing flat. Fuckin morons. Out of control pests. Imagine being called ‘Watchful’ or ‘Dove Love’. Total weirdos.

Women are submissive to men – father until married off – then husband. But then – they’re all controlled by leaders. Living dead. All of those blokes – and none of them have ever jerked off. Are they allowed to fuck the wife longer than it takes to come ?
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July 28, 2016 5:03am
Happychappy

Viking2 @
And you have the gaul to call the Nats arrogant you are a deluded arrogant A/H
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July 28, 2016 6:59am
mikenmild

you have the gaul

Would that be Asterix the Gaul?
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July 28, 2016 7:18am
Nookin

Caconofix, I think, mm.
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July 28, 2016 7:34am
Rachael Membery

Left Right and Centre (4,397 comments) says:

July 28th, 2016 at 4:16 am

No lol, and I only meant self-describe in terms of, if I am asked on a form what my religion is, I put Christian. Sorry if that offends you.
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July 28, 2016 8:10am
Chuck Bird

That sort of behaviour wouldn’t really be one of wanting openness, but rather way of using threatening behaviour to persuade others to a view, just like attacking a Jury that didn’t return a result that a group didn’t favour, or a Judge personally, because of his, or her, particularly judgement. It seems all such criticisms grow from a voice that wants to have things its own way – like vigilantees.

@Nostalgia-NZ

Wouldn’t New Zealand be great if everyone was not as respectful of the law as you!!!
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July 28, 2016 8:15am
Left Right and Centre

No lol, and I only meant self-describe in terms of, if I am asked on a form what my religion is, I put Christian. Sorry if that offends you.

Nah – offensive is my neighbour making the orgasm face while doing his first rate impression of a raving lunatic talking about how much he loves reading the bible, how good he feels being religious and going on like that despite having told the prick I’m an athiest on previous occasions. They’re just rude by definition of thinking they’re right and everything else isn’t. And bleat on to that effect. As if you’re not even there – no matter what you say. Rude. All they hear is themselves. Raving fucking lunatics.

And the voice they use while ‘feeling their deity’ – far out – are they feeling the love or taking a monster diehard shit for the ages ? They love having faith so much they’re going to pop a head vein with the strain. It’s the ‘nothing could compare to the bliss I feel when I think about how much I love my deity’ voice. I get the same high from running a record time. I still don’t use that stupid pantomime I’m religious and weird voice.

Seriously – orgasm coming in for a landing and religious rapture – so the same thing it’s scary. Oh that’s good, yeah that feels good – I’m loving it soooo much – oh yeah – please – oh that’s the one – right there – I’m right there now – that’s good. I am all good now – I’m healed – it’s all better – wow – oh that’s good. Keep going – it’s divine – oh yeah – I can feel it – I can feel it – and it’s good, yes sir it is – never better – almost there – feel the love feel the love feel the love – MERCY ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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