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July 17, 2016 8:58am by Kokila Patel

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nasska

….” it might reveal that the problem is widespread across commentators of all sorts of stripes.”….

Fair comment. We all do both occasionally but not as a stock response fifty times a day.
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July 17, 2016 4:01pm
Jack5

Just heard 4 o’clock Radio NZ news. On Nice, mentions French appealing for people to join military reserve.

Of the terrorist act itself, mention of the Tunisian-French truck driver. No mention of other arrests, no mention of ISIL claiming responsibility. By implication, following the earlier “lone wolf” line.

Thank goodness we’ve got the internet to find out what’s going on in the world.

When is National going to sort out leftist Radio NZ?

Hell! Right after the news, Radio NZ moves into “Obama’s World”.
Yuck!
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July 17, 2016 4:04pm
Shawn Herles

“Has anyone else had a ring full of retarded leftist SJWs”

YES! 🙂
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July 17, 2016 4:06pm
Inandout

sooty 12.23: Shit no wonder Labour had a poor attendance at a 100 yr old dinner.
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July 17, 2016 4:07pm
nasska

Now, now Shawn. Without SJWs & Jesus freaks life would get rather dull around these parts.

Every blog needs a few easybeats. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 4:09pm
dad4justice

What is a “Jesus freak” Hillbilly?
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July 17, 2016 4:13pm
nasska

….”What is a “Jesus freak” Hillbilly?”….

A noun Dad…..synonymous with Godwhack & Godnutter. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 4:16pm
Shawn Herles

“What is a “Jesus freak” Hillbilly?”

Me!

And I keep telling you, I’m the only real hillbilly here! 🙂
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July 17, 2016 4:16pm
dad4justice

Silly me Hillbilly I beg deliverance lol and I thought you were talking about wacko nutters who hate God.
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July 17, 2016 4:18pm
Shawn Herles

Nah, I’m talking about SJW’s D4J. Nasty people. Smelly too! 🙂
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July 17, 2016 4:27pm
stephieboy

jack 5,

“When is National going to sort out leftist Radio NZ? ”

Why should it ?. You already have the sleaze Daily Mail or Breitbart etc at your service .

What more could you want .

Monique Watson and sbk , you boith give me solid reasons why the Daily Mail and Breitbart are credible sources ?
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July 17, 2016 4:40pm
Scott

Very nasty comments about the suburb of Marfell in New Plymouth earlier in this thread. As someone who actually grew up in Marfell and went to Marfell school it was a good community. People knew their neighbours and as a small boy I went half a kilometer up the road to the grocer in perfect safety.

The difference from now is that then we had intact families with mum and dad married and bringing up their children. Also many kids went to Sunday school and there was respect for the rule of law and the community.

What has destroyed the community is decades of godless nihilistic liberalism. Kids do not go to Sunday school, adults don’t attend church, kids are not living in intact families and subsequently the rule of law has broken down. A real shame IMHO.
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July 17, 2016 5:03pm
Reid

1.) The full knowledge that the Kremlin was in possession of all of the emails from Hillary Clinton’s private computer servers was allowed to be released to the public on 6 May—and which was confirmed this week by both the FBI and US experts.

2.) President Putin, on 13 May, warning military commanders that if Hillary Clinton is elected to be the next US president “it means war”.

3.) The Investigative Committee (SLEDCOM), on 19 May, opening a war crimes file against Hillary Clinton over her illegally obtaining millions-of-dollars in bribes from the murderous Saudi regime.

4.) The SVR reporting, on 2 June, that the husband, Shahriar Zolfaghari, of Georgia’s statewide prosecutor for human trafficking Camila Wright, who was investigating former President Bill Clinton and his Clinton Foundation co-founder Jeffery Epstein for child sex charges was gunned down. [Clinton body count rises]

5.) The SVR reporting, on 13 June, that Hillary Clinton had been linked to the Orlando murders of pop singer Christina Grimmie and nearly 50 gay pride celebrants in a false flag “massacre event”.

6.) The SVR reporting, on 23 June, that former UN President John Ashe was discovered dead in his home by FBI agents who were going to escort him to testify in front of a grand jury probing Hillary Clinton. [Clinton body count rises]

7.) The SVR reporting, on 28 June, that the US Supreme Court, in an unprecedented ruling, gave Hillary Clinton a “get out of jail free” card for the many bribes she received.

8.) The SVR reporting, on 28 June, that former President Bill Clinton held a secretive meeting with US Attorney General Loretta Lynch where the final details were worked out for Hillary Clinton’s “total exoneration”.

9.) The SVR reporting, on 30 June, that Hillary Clinton was going to retain US Attorney General Loretta Lynch in office.

10.) The SVR reporting that on 1 July, the hacker known as Guccifer, who was able to obtain all of Hillary Clinton’s emails, was discovered missing from his US prison cell by FBI agents. [Potential rise of Clinton body count]

11.) The SVR reporting that on 1 July, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch made a public statement that she would abide by the decision of the FBI Director James Comey as to if charges would filed against Hillary Clinton.

12.) The SVR reporting that on 2 July, Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI.

13.) The SVR reporting that on 5 July, FBI Director James Comey delivered a nationwide address in which he detailed all of Hillary Clinton’s crimes relating to her secret emails—but then said he wasn’t recommending prosecution.

14.) The SVR reporting that on 5 July, President Obama made a public appearance with Hillary Clinton just hours after FBI Director Comey’s exoneration of her stating that he was “ready to pass the baton”.

15.) The SVR reporting that on 6 July, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch issued a statement that not only wouldn’t Hillary Clinton be charged with any crimes, none of her criminal accomplices would be either.

That’s what the FBI agent said about it as I detailed on Friday night. That the Clinton Foundation’s crimes implicate the entire govt, to the extent that if people knew about it, there would be a revolution. This just backs it up.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2068.htm
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July 17, 2016 5:14pm
Stars And Stripes

Scott- While I agree with some of your comments regarding Marfell such as the breakdown of the family unit to claim the rest of the evils are attributable to god not being present their anymore is pushing it a bit.
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July 17, 2016 5:18pm
doggone7

igm @ 9:12 am “milkwimp: You are once again displaying your envy of someone who has achieved and has something they earned . . . a topic bludging public service leeches know nothing about.”

Is there any public servant who achieved anything?
Is there any public servant who earned what they got?
Who do you count as public servants?
Am I to assume that anyone not working for private enterprise is some sort of lowlife, incapable being.
Are politicians public servants?
How could a private enterprise outfit employ politicians?
How could a private enterprise outfit employ our police?

No apologies for asking questions seeking answers longer than your usual pithy comments.
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July 17, 2016 5:35pm
rangitoto

Well it’s obvious now that Erdogan’s own agents oganised the “coup” as an excuse to undertake a massive purge of the judiciary and army. The EU are blithering idiots for entertaining membership of Turkey.
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July 17, 2016 5:54pm
stephieboy

doggone, public servant achieved anything ?

The Governor of the Reserve Bank Graham Wheeler comes to mind also the Director General of Public Health Chai Chuah another , Inland Revenue Director Naomi Ferguson too.

And on it goes . Now could you ever fulfil those functions and responsibilities?

Obviously never !

Your capabilities ?
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July 17, 2016 5:58pm
duggledog

Scott –

The breakdown of the Marfell community was repeated all over New Zealand. People in those communities voted themselves nirvana and to hell with how it was actually paid for. The current scenario in Marfell was completely avoidable, and completely predictable.

The period you describe was rose tinted; artificially enabled societies created courtesy of vast amounts of borrowing, spending and foolish policies so that ‘everyone could have a secure, meaningful job and a decent pay cheque.

Marvell ‘worked’ because unsound money made it work. Different form of the dole.

Andrew Little would repeat the same mistakes; and your children’s children will pay for it. Whoever promises you the most, vote for them the least. And, god has nothing to do with it – man has everything to do with it.
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July 17, 2016 5:59pm
lilman

Turkey is buggered.

Sharia Law will be imposed and that will be another shit hole that ends in disaster.

Simply its fucked.
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July 17, 2016 6:04pm
All_on_Red

Is the Internet Party coming back for the next Election?
Wonder how their membership is today.
What do you think Stephie? You seem like an Internet Party sort of guy.

Edit. If you think the Daily Mail is sleazy, why do you link to it all the time Stephie?
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July 17, 2016 6:04pm
Shawn Herles

“Is the Internet Party coming back for the next Election?”

Doubtful.

“Wonder how their membership is today.”

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“What do you think Stephie? You seem like an Internet Party sort of guy.”

Only if they rename themselves the Islamic Supremacist Party. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 6:07pm
All_on_Red

Shawn – do you have a Twitter account?
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July 17, 2016 6:13pm
Shawn Herles

AoR, no, never use it.
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July 17, 2016 6:15pm
All_on_Red

What is it? I’ll DM you
Or DM me @All_on_Red
I’ll reply
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July 17, 2016 6:16pm
stephieboy

All_on_Red

“Edit. If you think the Daily Mail is sleazy, why do you link to it all the time Stephie?”

But I don’t and if I do only to illustrate the fact that it is largely sleaze .

Why does it appeal to you ?

This ?,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3334959/Jorgie-Porter-shares-shocking-sex-secrets-m-Celebrity-jungle-deemed-raunchy-aired.html
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July 17, 2016 6:18pm
nasska

….”But I don’t and if I do”….

Leaves you a bit of wriggleroom there stephieboy. 🙂

Edit: Reference – ‘nasska’, Kiwiblog thread,17th Jul 2016
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July 17, 2016 6:21pm
Shawn Herles

Sorry AoR, poor choice of words on my part. I mean’t I don’t have a twitter account at all. Twitter really never interested me.
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July 17, 2016 6:21pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
Well, yes you do, but as Sam I don’t think so. It must be confusing all these identities.
Edit her breasts a bit small for me. Got any others?
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July 17, 2016 6:22pm
SGA

Scott at 5:03 pm

What has destroyed the community is decades of godless nihilistic liberalism.

Godless Nihilistic Liberalism would make a great name for a heavy metal band.
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July 17, 2016 6:23pm
All_on_Red

Shawn
Shame. DMs are a good way to communicate…
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July 17, 2016 6:24pm
stephieboy

nasska, obviously it must have been in response to one of your typical inanities .
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July 17, 2016 6:25pm
Shawn Herles

AoR, what’s a DM?

Yes, I’m an old fart. I don’t even own a cell phone. 🙂

Edit: I only started using facebook a year ago, if that. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 6:28pm
All_on_Red

Direct Message, like email but only 140 characters.
Twitter is great for getting feeds from interesting people and news.
For example I like Moto GP so I can see all the results and comment, videos etc straight to my Twitter address. I don’t really follow many political people , oh although I like Milo Yiannopoulos @nero, because he is funny
I don’t use Facebook, but will FaceTime my friends or Skype
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July 17, 2016 6:32pm
Rachael Membery

Just to inject some levity to this sad bunch, I once had a man say to me that ‘He would like to meet the person Reuters that wrote so many news stories’, funnily enough after I dissolved into fits of laughter and explained that it was a news agency with many contributers he didn’t try and impress me with his worldliness again. lol
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July 17, 2016 6:44pm
Reid

Well it’s obvious now that Erdogan’s own agents oganised the “coup” as an excuse to undertake a massive purge of the judiciary and army.

Is it?

It’s definitely one of the strong hypotheticals but do you have conclusive?

I’m waiting to see which way Erdogan jumps: West or East. And if he chooses the latter he knows Turkey’s NATO membership is on the line because the US will put it on the line. Closing Incirlik airspace and cutting off the US from its 50 nukes there is an early indication but that’s just posturing and means nothing real. Depends on how strongly he insists on Geelan.

Internicenly, it’s the MB vs Wahabbi factions that fought here, as in, breaking into open warfare.

It’s been an interesting weekend, as 2016 is an interesting year. Interesting times people. Notice how it’s not “good” interesting but rather violent interesting?
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July 17, 2016 6:47pm
Reid

Interesting thought:

Trump is the thesis. Clinton is the anti-thesis. Developed nations are the thesis. Emerging nations are the anti-thesis. Responsible nationalism (global governance) is the synthesis of them all.

In context of this:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/15598db8-4456-11e6-9b66-0712b3873ae1.html?siteedition=intl#axzz4E8RRkEKn

Not in a good way, of course.
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July 17, 2016 7:25pm
Shawn Herles

“Responsible nationalism (global governance) is the synthesis of them all. ”

Logic fail. Nationalism in any form would not be a form of, nor lead to, global governance.
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July 17, 2016 7:32pm
waikatosinger

What is going on with the Chinese steel thing. Shouldn’t there be a disputes resolution procedure as part of our free trade agreement with them. Why doesn’t our steel industry use that? And how can the Chinese make unilateral threats to out dairy sector without violating the agreement?
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July 17, 2016 7:38pm
Reid

To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never to forget.

Arundhati Roy

I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill. I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.

Mahatma Gandh
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July 17, 2016 7:42pm
Reid

how can the Chinese make unilateral threats to out dairy sector without violating the agreement?

What threats? What Chinese steel thing?
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July 17, 2016 7:43pm
stigie

“What Chinese steel thing?”

Sounds like the Wellington Fairy is blowing everything out of proportion as bloody usual !~
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July 17, 2016 7:54pm
wiseowl

I’ve heard it all now.

Some scientists from Otago want to use drones to capture the ‘blow’ from whales so they can analyse and see what effect global warming is having on whales and no doubt everything else.

Think of something, link it to global warming, gain funding and away you go.
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July 17, 2016 7:55pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

… the Wellington Fairy is blowing everything …

Just the occasional sausage, Stigie. Just the occasional sausage.
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July 17, 2016 7:56pm
wiseowl

A good post on interest.co.nz about banks not passing on reductions in interest rates.

So true.
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July 17, 2016 7:57pm
Reid

Logic fail. Nationalism in any form would not be a form of, nor lead to, global governance.

Not for people who are capable simultaneously of holding two conflicting propositions and still functioning Shawn

Evidently, you’re not in that group.
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July 17, 2016 8:00pm
Shawn Herles

Reid, and anyone else for that matter.

‘China threatens reprisals on NZ dairy, wool and kiwifruit if government doesn’t back off cheap steel inquiry’

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/82092018/China-threatens-reprisals-on-NZ-dairy-wool-and-kiwifruit-if-government-doesn-t-back-off-cheap-steel-inquiry
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July 17, 2016 8:01pm
stigie

“Just the occasional sausage.”

Now you are starting to sound like our starbored Nostra but without the experience of handling the sausage in a verbal sense ole chap..?
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July 17, 2016 8:06pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

… without the experience of handling the sausage in a verbal sense …

Now steady on – don’t limit the qualification to “in a verbal sense” and cause other Kiwiblog readers to be misled!
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July 17, 2016 8:08pm
Shawn Herles

“Not for people who are capable simultaneously of holding two conflicting propositions and still functioning Shawn”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction
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July 17, 2016 8:11pm
stigie

Hell Nostra, i would hate Kiwiblog readers to be misled that you handled the sausage, of course only in the kitchen where it can be handled when cooking of course.
Edit:- I think explaining is losing !~
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July 17, 2016 8:20pm
Shawn Herles

Public service announcement.

There is growing evidence that sam green, stephieboy, and itstricky, are the same person, and operating on KB as a troll.

Avoid all contact and communication. It’s pointless. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 8:22pm
Nostradamus

Shawn:

There is growing evidence that sam green … [is] … operating on KB as a troll.

D4J will be disappointed that Sam Green is a troll:

sam green (834 comments) says:
July 14th, 2016 at 9:54 pm

I only have eyes for you dad4justice. (I just love that name.)

Well, actually, perhaps I shouldn’t speak for D4J…
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July 17, 2016 8:25pm
stigie

“D4J will be disappointed!”

Yes Nostra, they were getting on fine and dandy ready to exchange phone numbers !~
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July 17, 2016 8:27pm
Shawn Herles

I know one other person has said so, but is anyone else getting the ‘Your comment is awaiting moderation’ thing regularly, for no apparent reason?

Ah crap, this one has as well.

What’s up DPF?
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July 17, 2016 8:33pm
Nostradamus

Seriously, though, that doesn’t sound like Stephieboy to me. What am I missing?
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July 17, 2016 8:33pm
Reid

Seriously, though, that doesn’t sound like Stephieboy to me. What am I missing?

The insanity of what it is to live in Shawn Herles Nosty. And thank goodness for your sake you have.
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July 17, 2016 8:35pm
Shawn Herles

Is anyone else getting the ‘Your comment is awaiting moderation’ thing regularly, for no apparent reason?
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July 17, 2016 8:36pm
sam green

Me ‘n dad4justice ?. Don’t be jealous Shawn but you’re not reeeeeeaaaaaallllly my type.
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July 17, 2016 8:37pm
Shawn Herles

Nostra, look at Stars and Stripes post at 11:49 am.
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July 17, 2016 8:40pm
Shawn Herles

That’s ok sam. Perhaps in another life. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 8:41pm
sam green

I don’t think you’ll be resurrected Shawn. I imagine you’ve done too much sinning in front of your screen – late at night by yourself.
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July 17, 2016 8:43pm
stephieboy

sam green , the deluded Shawn Herles , All on Red and associates believe that your an alias of mine.
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July 17, 2016 8:45pm
Shawn Herles

Binge watching Breaking Bad is a sin?

Bugger! 🙂
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July 17, 2016 8:46pm
Captain Mainwaring

Shawn, haven’t had the ‘awaiting moderation’ thing for a while, but I wish DPF would do something about the adult nappies ads. Obviously reporting them as inappropriate each and every time they appear has absolutely no effect.
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July 17, 2016 8:46pm
sam green

Oops I’m being moderated..I said – way to go – I’m flattered they care.
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July 17, 2016 8:48pm
Shawn Herles

Captain, try using an ad blocker, like AdBlocker Plus, and Ghostery for your browser. No ads. 🙂
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July 17, 2016 8:49pm
Stars And Stripes

Stephie/Sam-nice little conversation we had about India the other night but real shame you walked straight into the trap I set for you.
You confirmed perfectly what I believed but needed confirmation of.
Sam Green is dead in the water, better luck next time.
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July 17, 2016 8:51pm
sam green

Yes – I asked if anyone had been to Shimla. We had been to northern India in 2003 but not up that way. Normal conversation. I’ve also travelled in Turkey, Vietnam, Britain, France, Canada and most recently Spain among other places. I’m sure others have too. Not really earth shattering.
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July 17, 2016 8:55pm
sam green

Last week I was apparently Kea.
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July 17, 2016 8:58pm
stigie

You could be Dad tonight ????
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July 17, 2016 9:00pm
sam green

Ewwww stigie.
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July 17, 2016 9:01pm
stephieboy

sam green , I’m afraid Stars and Stripes has a chip on both shoulders . Deludeley claims the invasion of immigrants had him forcibly exiled from his home patch in Mt Roskill.
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July 17, 2016 9:04pm
sam green

Why. Didn’t he take a plate of barbied pork sausages over to welcome the neighbours?
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July 17, 2016 9:06pm
Stars And Stripes

Stars And Stripes= 1 Stephie/Sam= 0
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July 17, 2016 9:07pm
sam green

Hold fast to your dreams Stars and Stripes.
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July 17, 2016 9:10pm
sam green

@stigie

I talked to d4j at length the other night because I thought all the ribbing had made him depressed or something. Turns out he really is a prick. So I stopped feeling bad about it.
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July 17, 2016 9:13pm
Stars And Stripes

Anyway now I have picked off the amateurs(Sam and Stephie) I will focus my attention on the professionals of which I suspect their are a couple on KB.
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July 17, 2016 9:21pm
sam green

I’m glad I have helped you live out your fantasies Stars and Stripes. Oh and don’t forget “it’s tricky”. I believe Shawn has brought him into the mix too. So that’s three on your list.
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July 17, 2016 9:23pm
All_on_Red

Sooo how’s The Internet Party going these days Stephie?
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July 17, 2016 9:37pm
mikenmild

I’m pretty sure that All_on_Red and Stars and Stripes are one and the same person.
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July 17, 2016 9:41pm
sam green

*snigger*
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July 17, 2016 9:42pm
All_on_Red

Hang on, I’ll just ask myself and check
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July 17, 2016 9:52pm
sam green

Stars and Stripes said: “real shame you walked straight into the trap I set for you”

So, by my powers of deduction, Stars and Stripes is Daniel Boone. Evidence – both have names synonymous with America, both set traps. I rest my case.
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July 17, 2016 9:55pm
All_on_Red

Daniel Boone?
S and S has a coon skin ( can you say coon today?) hat? I’m jealous.
Wait, is that mine on the floor.
Ohhhh no, I AM S and S
Jesus, the cat is screwing it!
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July 17, 2016 9:58pm
Paulus Gnome

Bed time boys
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July 17, 2016 10:31pm
itstricky

So, by my powers of deduction, Stars and Stripes is Daniel Boone. Evidence – both have names synonymous with America, both set traps. I rest my case.

That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all day, if I do say so myself.
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July 17, 2016 10:50pm
Tauhei Notts

I have work to do tomorrow.
Pity that, as the Pakistan match at Lord’s and the golf final day make for great Tv.
England have a decent target to face, and I hope they get there.
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July 17, 2016 10:50pm
All_on_Red

Really it’s tricky. What a boring sad life you live then.
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July 17, 2016 11:17pm
sam green

No we don’t!
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July 17, 2016 11:20pm
All_on_Red

Internet party buddies eh
Steph.. Boy..
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July 17, 2016 11:25pm
sam green

,.’,!;:-.,”!?;:-

There – some punctuation just in case you need it.
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July 17, 2016 11:29pm
All_on_Red

Heh, I think Stephie (John Laws deliberate style mistake) needs the punctuation training !
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July 17, 2016 11:30pm
sam green

Good boy. I see you used up the dots. We call them “full stops”. If you want, you could also use the question mark. It’s shaped like this: ?
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July 17, 2016 11:34pm
All_on_Red

Is that a bit like the Internet Party came to a full stop?
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July 17, 2016 11:38pm
sam green

That’s better. It’s good you’re trying.
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July 17, 2016 11:39pm
All_on_Red

‘If you want, you could also use the question mark. It’s shaped like this: ?’

Interesting gap between the : and the ? Stephie does that all the time. Bad habit of his. Lol
And no, it wasn’t a question.
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July 17, 2016 11:41pm
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July 17, 2016 11:42pm
sam green

Yes old chap – it’s called “proper punctuation”. Most of us learn it at school. Don’t blame me if it makes you feel inferior. Remember. Just sound out the words.
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July 17, 2016 11:44pm
All_on_Red

Oh good, you know. Do share with your mate.
Steph?? Boy??
Edit- oh I see you added a little snark. Getting shitty are we.
Lol
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July 17, 2016 11:47pm
sam green

Put the cap back on the wine old chap – you’re becoming incomprehensible.
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