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flipper

Hollande accused of ‘shampoo socialism’ as it is revealed he spends £99,000 per year on haircuts
– The Telegraph
July 13, 2016
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July 15, 2016 8:06am
dave_c_

Sanders’ Tuesday endorsement of Hillary showed he’s just another dirty politician, deceiving supporters, pledging one thing, doing another, supporting war, wealth, power and privilege.

He’s unprincipled, dishonorable, shameless and corrupted like all the rest – rare exceptions proving the rule.

“The candidate who ran against special interests is endorsing the candidate who embodies special interests.”
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July 15, 2016 8:08am
duggledog

Rather a good piece by Quentin Letts in the UK Mail about Cameron & Osborne:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3689274/Exit-George-chums-thought-Britain-like-Notting-Hill.html

One observation Mr Letts made about Osborne made me think –

‘He has gone because, like Mr Cameron, he listened to the London elite and polite opinion rather than the shire and blue-collar Tories… their too narrow circle wrongly assumed that the country would not vote to leave the EU. They believed their own propaganda.’

Now, neither Quentin nor I actually know this to be true. We don’t know whether the new boss booted him out the back door because of the alleged weakness either.

But having read the article I remembered the lyrics to a popular New Zealand song by a band called Supergroove (Google is your friend!):

‘You’ve got to know to understand’

Pulp’s classic paean to a privileged girl who wanted to slum it with a lower class lad ‘Common People’ runs the same line: ‘Everybody hates a tourist’

This could apply to NZ politics and people like Cunliffe etc.
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July 15, 2016 8:10am
wiseowl

I didn’t notice any comment on Clarkes address pitching for the top job.

Note the part that said she wanted to implement the UN environmental agenda as soon as possible.

When is some government going to challenge this agenda from people who have not been elected (sound familiar) and tell the UN to shove off with agenda 2030 because it is based on false information.?
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July 15, 2016 8:10am
Inandout

Paula and Goff are guests on this morning’s Mark Sainsbury Show, and Trump’s new running mate Mike Pence is discussed. Bennett at first rolls her eyes when the Trump name is mentioned, then Mark goes straight in saying Pence is a conservative on gay rights. Paula and Phil both agree that we have ‘come a long way in the last 30 years’ on gay rights, lots of nodding all round. How can Goff even speak of the advancement of gay rights when a large portion of his Mt Roskill electorate hates them with a vengeance? Mind you even Paul Henry wouldn’t be brave enough to mention the ‘M’ word in that context.
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July 15, 2016 8:11am
Happychappy

I find it absolutely dispicable that MSM have let Labour put the add-on of a membership drive with asking for donations and unreliable data on housing and how prices have increased in 98% in the region’s of NZ.This is no more than a membership drive and soliciting donations for a struggling LabouParty and their finance’s, of which Media say they do not favour one party over another.This is a disgrace and should be looked at by the Electoral Commission
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July 15, 2016 8:14am
oldpark

Families and public flee as mad dog crystal methamphetamine fuelled addicts waving guns or machetes, strike fear into innocent bystanders. Seems nothing can stop the mad dogs full of crystal meth when they go on a rampage. Luckily our brave police are on hand to help prevent a drug induced massacre of innocent NZ citizens. Sadly the Green/ Liebour Party infested Main Stream Media Doom-Post, not forgetting,the sound radio ,such as Newstalk ZB with people like Rachel Smalley aboard.Their answer to stop the mad dog out of control druggies on a killing rampage, believe it or not? “POLICE BODY CAMERAS”. Makes one wonder how or why the type of worse than useless reporters, have the gall to put their hands out for a pay packet,or even expect to sell their doomed anti social messages,seemingly supporting out of control, mad dog crystal meth users
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July 15, 2016 8:16am
billmurray

Apparently Andrew Little is now taking charm school, he has been told to smile and try and look pleasant.

He is now walking around looking distinctly like Stan Laurel, on steroids.

Grant Robertson fills in for Oliver Hardy.

The press gallery are in fits.
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July 15, 2016 8:16am
VicParking

Labours called John Keys visit to Europe a waste of time and money when he visited David Cameron “who is a losser”. They seem very quiet about his meeting with the French and Italian Prime Ministers. David Shearer has the car gone faster than you could run.
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July 15, 2016 8:17am
peterwn

Ashburton incident – Should the courts be re-defining the way agencies interact with their clients or should the response be ‘we are not experts in this field – it is up to Parliament to decide what changes are needed’.

I remember that back in the 1960’s security at Parliament, public buildings etc was about zilch. At that time a high school pupil went into the principal’s office with a gun and shot him dead. This was regarded as a total freak incident – there was no calls to boost school security, have guards, etc. Perhaps the only other fatalities on business premises since were Paul Meit’s death at Dean Wickliffe’s hands, a bank officer killed in Naenae and the Ashburton WINZ shootings.

Incidentally the principal’s death was in pre-ACC days. The agency involved with Workers Compo in those days tried to argue that the shooting was not ‘work related’ and therefore the family was not liable to a payout. One was ultimately made.
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July 15, 2016 8:19am
oldpark

Angry Andy Little Liebour Party “Leader” or better know as “Rumpelstilskin”, is said to be at charm school. When he arrived on earth,it was discovered he had a personality by-pass. Rumour has it, it will take alot more than the thousand dollars a day, he gets for telling political lies, to right his curse of no personality. Seems there is more life and excitement in 5 dead rats.
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July 15, 2016 8:25am
straya

But dave_c_ the REAL question is this –

Is Sanders privy to Obama’s secret plan to impose martial law before the election?

Feel free to respond in code – you never know who’s watching!
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July 15, 2016 8:25am
mandk

@ dave_c_

I think the reason why lefties like you are confined to frothing at the mouth on the sidelines is because you have more blind, unreasoning fervour than a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I recommend that you ponder Otto von Bismarck’s observation that: “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”

You might actually get somewhere if you take his words to heart.
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July 15, 2016 8:30am
holysheet

Andy is saving every one of those dollars for his litigation with the Haggers next year. Doesn’t want to loose his house in the fallout. That would piss off his wife since he doesn’t believe in trusts to protect his ill gotten assets.

What a complete waste of space he is.
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July 15, 2016 8:35am
EAD

Why is it that every single top politician has to wear a Islamic head scarf or go to dinner with a rabbi or attend a homosexual parade to be seen as kind and caring? Never do you see them down a working mans social club having a few drinks listening to our folk needs and concerns.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/07/theresa-may-friend-of-israel-and-the-organized-jewish-community/

She even repeated David Cameron’s words that, “If the Jewish community does not feel secure then our whole national fabric is diminished.” Fine words, if only the White communities of Rotherham and elsewhere could find someone to defend their interests with as much passion

Remember folks – make sure every single argument can be positioned in a “right vs left” narrative. Group rights and natural law are below you oiks while the elites tear your world asunder.
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July 15, 2016 8:35am
calendar girl

Wiseowl, your comment @ 8:10am is unfair.

You know that Griff can’t return for another three weeks to correct your 99.9%-wrong views.
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July 15, 2016 8:36am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
On a far more positive note ,

RNZ this morning featured the premiere and reviews of the movie Poi E ( 32 years after song’s release ) featured .

It made me feel so joyful and proud to be a real part of our community of Aotearoa New Zealand

Ki kanikani, waiata he waiata ki te kanikani.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201808360/'joyous‘,-‘spectacular’-‘really-good’-first-reviews-of-poi-e
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July 15, 2016 8:37am
waikatogirl

bill murray
He is now walking around looking distinctly like Stan Laurel, on steroids.
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Lol. Thanks for that Bill. Had noticed Angry’s large stupid grin lately.

I’ll be chuckling at that description all day. 🙂
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July 15, 2016 8:37am
Ed Snack

I see that “Notorious RBG” aka Ruth Bader Ginsburg, member of SCOTUS, has “apologized” to Trump for her remarks made in an interview with the NYT. It was, as one might expect, a totally graceless “apology”, saying that it was indeed improper for her to have made the remarks and she won’t do it again. No actual apology at all, just an acknowledgement that she did it.

In this case, Trump is actually right, she should consider resigning on health grounds.
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July 15, 2016 8:38am
stephieboy

EAD, there you are keeping up the anti with your Jew Hatred .

What else is in the offering today ? SS officers medal ceremony for exceptional bravery stubbing their toes kicking Jews ?
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July 15, 2016 8:43am
Scott

Totally agree Ed Snack. While we are on the subject of Donald Trump we are pleased to note that the latest Rasmussen poll has Donald Trump on 44% and crooked Hillary on 37%.

Lots of Democrats are going to Trump, particularly as Sanders has now sold out to Clinton. I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a number of Sanders supporters who are going to head off to Trump come the general election or will stay home.

Trump has the momentum, I’m still predicting a landslide in the general!
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July 15, 2016 8:47am
Tauhei Notts

Imagine if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had come to New Zealand.
Just think of the sight of Radio New Zealand people writhing on the floor in orgasmic delight as they interviewed the mad woman.
On second thoughts; I do not want to picture that sordid scene.
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July 15, 2016 8:48am
Scott

https://www.instagram.com/p/BH1SpGOBuz_/?tagged=women4trump

And people are going to be surprised how many women vote for Trump in the general election. It’s no secret that many women cannot stand Hillary Clinton. Something to do with honesty and trustworthiness I guess?
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July 15, 2016 8:49am
kowtow

Britain , the home of Big Brother, and out of control police “managers.”

“Nottinghamshire’s Chief Constable Sue Fish said, “What women face, often on a daily basis, is absolutely unacceptable and can be extremely distressing. Nottinghamshire Police is committed to taking misogynistic hate crime seriously and encourages anyone who is affected by it to contact us without hesitation.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/wolf-whistling-as-a-hat-crime—could-this-do-more-harm-than-goo/
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July 15, 2016 8:50am
Stars And Stripes

The government is being warned to prepare for an impending stream of refugees from the Pacific as low-lying atolls are swamped by sea-level rise over the coming decades.
Labour is also calling for the government to take a humanitarian approach to people from the region who are overstayers in New Zealand.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/308703/pacific-atolls-could-be-underwater-by-2050

The doomsday drums are being beaten again this time in an effort to soften us up to be more welcoming of overstayers and “climate change refugees”.
Really amuses me how these people can only go to NZ and Australia as no other Pacific Islands would be suitable.
I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the lollies WINZ hands out.
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July 15, 2016 8:50am
waikatogirl

I see a Maori kapa haka group in Paris taking part in the Bastille Day celebrations.

The ‘traditional’ warriors wearing black with a dark golden cummerbund appeared to have been redesigned by a French designer.
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July 15, 2016 8:52am
Padriv Ustoev

@stephieboy

You have once again revealed yourself an apostate and worthy of condemnation and beheading.

How many times do I need to explain it to you – You cannot be a Muslim Stephie, and support the Maori. Pork is a staple of their diet and part of their culture. Do you not know that they hunt the filthy beasts and then eat the delicious but also Haram flesh.

You can’t have multiculturalism both ways Stephie, you can’t be a Muslim and support infidels.

Shame on you, shame!
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July 15, 2016 8:53am
dave_c_

@Mandk 8:30am

You are somewhat foolish in assuming knowledge of my political leanings.

I dont know of what pursuasion you are, but I am not as foolish nor arrogant as you to presume I do.
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July 15, 2016 9:04am
dime

i know stuff is run by 22 year old girls but LOL @ this.

the main story on the site starts like this:

“Scraping together a deposit is harder than ever, so young Kiwis are lining landlords’ pockets like never before.”

they are fucked
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July 15, 2016 9:10am
Hugh Pavletich

WHY ISN’T HOUSING NON-PERFORMER
JOHN KEY
BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT ?

FROM 2007 … WATCH & WEEP …
YouTube video …

JOHN KEY …. HOUSING AFFORDABILITY … 2007 … START AT 2min 40 sec
h/t B d B on Kiwiblog… see thread below …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEcmkmaD3ro

via …

Housing Demand And Supply Side Measures … Kiwiblog
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July 15, 2016 9:10am
dime

I had to read the garbage article:

“If you hear anyone saying it was just as tough in my day, that’s bollocks. When I bought my first home interest rates were 18.5 per cent but the average house price was only three times the average income, not 10 times like it is now,” he said.”

so say a 60k average income.

house for 180k @ 18.5% = 33,300 a year interest
house for 600k @ 4.5% = 27,000 a year…

fuck im over listening to these whining bitches about houses. go buy in some shit hole and work your way up like the rest of us!
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July 15, 2016 9:15am
stephieboy

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Padriv Ustoev , do continue to idle your time with your favourite pocket billiard’s and related kinds of masturbatory fantasy play .

Disgraceful !

A favourite dish of mine is Thai Panang Pork curry,

http://www.taste.com.au/images/recipes/nb/2006/05/panang-pork-curry-panang-muu-7898_l.jpeg
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July 15, 2016 9:16am
igm

Fairfax Filth now calling for police to wear cameras. These pieces of shit calling themselves journos deserve all they get when their jobs are disestablished in the near future, and for sure, none will get positions in PR with decent companies in this country. Suppose they are sending applications to RNZ and TVNZ in the hope they can join the rest of the unwanted editorial trash, accumulated at taxpayers’ expense.
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July 15, 2016 9:19am
Ed Snack

Get the irony, Hillary Clinton is warning that if Trump is elected it could get really bad, he could use the IRS to target his enemies. Total lack of self-awareness fail from the candidate known to have a voluminous written “enemies” list. It’s like she doesn’t know how Obama has done just that and has (so far) gotten clean away with it because the people supposed to make that illegal or at least highly unpopular are either in Obama’s pocket (the MSM) or report to him (DOJ). Gosh, imagine if some republican like Nixon had tried to use the IRS in this way…

Perhaps Hillary should see if Lois Lerner want’s the VP spot, or maybe just a role as commissioner of the IRS. Note that the current commissioner has overseen the destruction of large amounts of data on the targetting of opponents while already under subpoena from courts and Congress. Blantant doesn’t even begin to describe the level of criminality.
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July 15, 2016 9:23am
doggone7

Inandout @ 8:11 am “…How can Goff even speak of the advancement of gay rights when a large portion of his Mt Roskill electorate hates them with a vengeance? ”

Surely he can do that in an exact parallel to my talking about the increase of intelligent contributions on here.
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July 15, 2016 9:25am
dime

this made me laugh:

Pokemon Go is already more popular than tinder, another app where you swipe to find monsters in your area.
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July 15, 2016 9:25am
wreck1080

Not content with buying auckland, china think they can construct a concrete structure in the middle of the ocean and claim 200 nautical miles around it.

This really is outrageous. Just think if China did the same thing near the chatham islands and claimed all the ocean around it. If china does not back down I see war.
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July 15, 2016 9:27am
Inandout

Padriv Ustoev 8.53: Stephie knows that his cult would not appeal to the average pork and puha loving Maori (not to mention alcohol). So we see unbalanced Maori people recruited, often simple minded and invariably bearded,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10690655/Maori-Muslim-backs-Islamic-State

A bigger worry though is this insidious recruiting-

http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/native-affairs–young-maori-and-muslim

where the usual Maori custom of physical contact on meeting is shunned. I can see a conflict though where Islamic laws are set in 7th century stone, but Maori customs have evolved since contact with white settlers. The girl in the video appears to still like partying; most un-Islamic behaviour.
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July 15, 2016 9:30am
stephieboy

Ed Snack , the real irony is that the non-IRS scandal was perpetrated by the same Birther conspiracy “echo chamber “types like you,

The IRS “Scandal” Turned Out to Be a Non-Scandal, It Might Not Matter: Why It Is Not Just the Right-Wing Echo Chamber That Will Perpetuate the Myth of Political Manipulation of the IRS

https://verdict.justia.com/2013/08/15/the-irs-scandal-turned-out-to-be-a-non-scandal-but-it-might-not-matter
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July 15, 2016 9:31am
kowtow

I see the MSM is making much of the international reaction to Boris as Foreign Minister.

But how funny is this?

“But now the balding pate of the French president is at the centre of an embarrassing scandal dubbed coiffeurgate after the weekly paper Le Canard Enchaîné revealed that his personal hairdresser is on contract for almost €10,000 a month, paid from the public purse.”

No wonder the peasants are revolting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/13/bad-hair-days-for-francois-hollande-over-10000-coiffeur-bill
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July 15, 2016 9:33am
stephieboy

Inandout , 7th century stone age ? A bit rich coming from your bubble head !
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July 15, 2016 9:33am
Steve (North Shore)

I wonder who is responsible for this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/truck-crashes-into-crowd-at-bastille-day-celebrations-in-nice2/
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July 15, 2016 9:39am
WineOh

@ igm, why do you think cameras on cops is a bad idea? It takes out all the “he said/she said” aspect to evidence, as there is a clear picture of what really goes down. It protects all the good cops from the unwarranted accusations, and highlights the few ratbags that give them a bad name. We don’t have to look very far from recent examples in the USA of police officers shooting unarmed ‘suspects’ to see why its needed.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cures.
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July 15, 2016 9:48am
Stars And Stripes

stephieboy (12,533 comments) says:

On a far more positive note ,

“RNZ this morning featured the premiere and reviews of the movie Poi E ( 32 years after song’s release ) featured .

It made me feel so joyful and proud to be a real part of our community of Aotearoa New Zealand ”

Stephie- Even I’m not going to knock Poi E as it was a great achievement but for a dose of reality I suggest a road trip to Taranaki and visit Patea the home of Poi E as if you see the sorry state of this place now you might not feel so joyful and proud.
The town is decaying away and a good number of the remaining residents are on welfare.
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July 15, 2016 9:48am
Kabull

Dime @ 9.15

This comparison needs to be shouted from the roof tops – but not one of the ‘important’ MSM journos will give it any credibility.

At one stage around 1987-88 I was paying 22.5% interest. Thats just over $40,000 annually on 180K!
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July 15, 2016 9:49am
Captain Mainwaring

Has anyone else noticed that Theresa May’s husband has an unfortunate resemblance to Angry Andy?
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July 15, 2016 9:53am
Happychappy

When you think the media could not stoop any lower you have them trying to do a hit on PM John Key with a column from a five year old asking could he find homes for the homeless.What a bunch of out of touch and hypocrites Journalist’s have become in the media when they have to organise five year olds to get a story
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July 15, 2016 9:54am
Manolo

Some delicate diplomats feel offended:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3688855/Boris-Johnson-Philip-Hammond-summoned-No-10-Theresa-starts-building-Cabinet-minutes-appointed-new-Prime-Minister.html

Boris Johnson was booed this afternoon at the French ambassador’s residence despite singing La Marseillaise at a reception to celebrate Bastille Day. Making his first public appearance as British Foreign Secretary in London, a small section of the French and British crowd at the ambassador’s residence heckled Johnson as he attempted to make a speech.

Johnson’s appointment as Britain’s top diplomat has caused disquiet across Europe – even leading to the cancellation of an informal meeting of foreign ministers in Brussels on Sunday night to discuss the impact of Brexit.
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July 15, 2016 9:55am
dime

“At one stage around 1987-88 I was paying 22.5% interest. Thats just over $40,000 annually on 180K!”

i dunno how you guys did it. it must have been soul destroying.
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July 15, 2016 9:56am
stephieboy

Stars and Stripes , Patea like this ?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/2014/09/26/CA8FFA1C57874A89AE25CEF80D4E0028.jpg
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July 15, 2016 9:57am
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH CENTRAL: THE POLITICAL & BUREAUCRATIC DISASTER

Gerry Brownlee denies blame for failed Breathe residential project |Georgina Styliano | The Press – Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/81984571/gerry-brownlee-denies-blame-for-failed-breathe-residential-project

Mark T comments on thread …

Perhaps, and what you say about “ecologically-friendly and sustainable solutions” is true – but we can blame him (Brownlee) for wanting to “preserve land prices in the CBD” (aka making things too expensive), combined with bureaucratic meddling in other areas meaning few projects are viable.

If the government had adopted a more hands-off laissez faire approach, let prices drop to their natural market level, and let owners back early enough to redevelop without some grand monolithic central plan (the way that all real cities evolve) we would have been in a far superior position by now, without stripping property rights.

Limitations on what you could build and bureaucratic hurdles should have been lowered post quake, not raised. But for all that I only partly blame him, I blame more the general public, because this is what they were generally calling for 5 years ago with all this talk of “we only have one chance to get the rebuild right”.

The public don’t like the results mind you (now the chickens have come home to roost), but they got the inevitable result of what they were asking for.

The above echoed by Finance Minister Bill English mid last year … this The Press report needs to be read closely …

The Government’s estimated contribution to the Christchurch rebuild jumps $1.1b in a year | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/68786324/the-governments-estimated-contribution-to-the-christchurch-rebuild-jumps-11b-in-a-year
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July 15, 2016 9:57am
Salacious Crumb

IGM

What the handwringing, crim lovers in the meeja don’t realise is that body cams will provide full and unedited evidence of the type of behaviour the police have to deal with daily.

As an unintended consequence they will be completely undermining their own narrative of the crims being the vicitms as well as providing the courts with ample evidence.
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July 15, 2016 10:02am
mikenmild

“At one stage around 1987-88 I was paying 22.5% interest. Thats just over $40,000 annually on 180K!”

i dunno how you guys did it. it must have been soul destroying.

“We used to live in shoebox in the middle of the road.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
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July 15, 2016 10:04am
Viking2

Police boss endorses shoot to kill policy.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/82104175/police-shoot-man-in-rotorua

Not sure where we have legislation allowing that.
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July 15, 2016 10:04am
Captain Mainwaring

“Stars and Stripes , Patea like this ?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/2014/09/26/CA8FFA1C57874A89AE25CEF80D4E0028.jpg”

Close, sillyboy, but Patea doesn’t have electric trains or tall buildings.
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July 15, 2016 10:06am
Happychappy

Is Hugh Pavletich on Labours Payroll with all his cut,copy and post story’s, hard working workers could not buy homes in the 1980s because interest rates were in double digits and rising and over a third deposit so who is he trying to deceive
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July 15, 2016 10:13am
Steve (North Shore)

dime
“i dunno how you guys did it. it must have been soul destroying.”
I too had a second mortgage at 22.5% back then. I needed to buy my ex wifes share of the house.
Did the only sensible thing – got a second job. It is all about hard work, something the younger generation have no idea about.
Whinging bitches? they sure are
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July 15, 2016 10:16am
Inandout

A truck has ploughed into Bastille Day celebrators in France killing many people. Not sure of the killers motives (apparently Islamic) but if this had happened in the US then Obama would call for a ban on trucks.
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July 15, 2016 10:20am
Ross12

Obama has a funny idea of where the “back of the queue ” is.

http://investorsfreshnews.com/2016/07/14/us-and-uk-in-early-talks-over-trade-deal/
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July 15, 2016 10:24am
Captain Mainwaring

Angry Andy (and Hugh Pavletich) don’t seem to realise that the main reason for rising house prices is the fact that the country is doing well economically and people want to live here.
There is one sure-fire cure for rising house prices and that is a major recession. Angry Andy has the solution in his pocket. All he needs to do is get elected and it will happen.
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July 15, 2016 10:25am
wreck1080

Oh, the herald report said a couple of people were killed by a truck in Nice, France ( a place I almost lived).

Dailymail says it is a terrorist attack with 50 dead and gunmen roaming the streets and targeting hotels.

How long will the west put up with muslims ?
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July 15, 2016 10:30am
Chuck Bird

I see the religion of peace strikes again in Nice, France.
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July 15, 2016 10:30am
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dime (12,950 comments) says:
July 15th, 2016 at 9:56 am
“At one stage around 1987-88 I was paying 22.5% interest. Thats just over $40,000 annually on 180K!”

i dunno how you guys did it. it must have been soul destroying.

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I was selling real estate at the time. Occasionally – not many people could manage 22%. The only people we wanted to deal with were the bank employees who had 10% lending clauses in their salary packages.
Then came the crash, and people lost their jobs, and were left owing more than the house was worth. On the day of the crash I had contracts that we tore up – there was no point in pursuing them. I remember a family from Christchurch who were staying in a motel until they settled on their new house. He lost his job, and returned to Christchurch – lucky escape.
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July 15, 2016 10:36am
Odakyu-sen

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11675085

I don’t think it was a brake failure. I mean, who drives a truck towards crowded celebrations at speed on level ground? “A gunman fired into the crowd” (but there is no mention of the relationship between the shooter and the truck.)

I can hear Trump’s ratings going up.
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July 15, 2016 10:36am
David Garrett

No doubt the driver will be another “mentally ill lone wolf” with no affiliation to any faction of the Religion of Peace…blah blah blah…
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July 15, 2016 10:40am
Scott

At least 50 people are feared dead and 150 have been injured in a Bastille Day attack in Nice, southern France

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691019/Several-people-injured-truck-crashes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html#ixzz4EQRiDfuL

How long will the West put up with these wave after wave of Muslim attacks?
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July 15, 2016 10:41am
Inandout

stephieboy 9.33: ‘Set in stone’ and ‘stone age’ not the same..oh what the hell, you rag heads are just plain dumb.
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July 15, 2016 10:43am
lilman

These shit head Muslims,send every last one of the bastards back to their home country.

I have nothing but contempt for the political elite.

Where are all those wet blanket ,wimpy sons of bitches who held signs “welcome”,I challenge anyone to justify why any country would welcome savages and murderers at any age or sex to their shores.

They are scum,I hope Fance expells every last one including any home grown supporters,if they wont go,then they should be executed.
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July 15, 2016 10:47am
David Garrett

Viking2: Where did the cop say that? In the interview I saw he said the shooting was “regrettable” but that “It was the right decision”

As for shooting to kill, my understanding is that OAS practice for many years has been to aim at the area of greatest mass, i.e the torso…apparently the idea of “shooting to wound” is something of a Hollywood fantasy, and to do so risks the target still being able to kill or maim others…

In and out: He is not a “rag head” or even a believer in the Religion of Peace…he’s just a troll…refuse to engage with him and he will eventually go away…
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July 15, 2016 10:48am
starboard

Yep I had 2 jobs back in the 80’s , rates @22%, was the only way to get by. I love this housing ‘crisis”..I am making money hand over fist , infact so much I am considering upgrading my condo in Thailand to a Penthouse view. Fantastic..because Ive earned it.
Those at the bottom, get rid of your credit cards, get rid of you HP , get a cheap mobile phone for 20 bucks, buy your clothes from The Warehouse, get your nose to the grindstone and STFU.
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July 15, 2016 10:49am
dime

“Yep I had 2 jobs back in the 80’s , rates @22%, was the only way to get by. I love this housing ‘crisis”..I am making money hand over fist , infact so much I am considering upgrading my condo in Thailand to a Penthouse view. Fantastic..because Ive earned it.”

glorious!!

how does one go about buying a condo in thailand? kiwi banks lend on that?

Dime is also loving this “crisis”. getting ready for another lump soon when i flick a place. 20% fun, rest goes into savings.
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July 15, 2016 10:52am
Morrissey

Chilcot Report and 7/7 London Bombing Anniversary Converge to Highlight Terrorism’s Causes
by GLENN GREENWALD, The Intercept, 8 July 2016

ELEVEN YEARS AGO today, three suicide bombers attacked the London subway and a bus and killed 51 people. Almost immediately, it was obvious that retaliation for Britain’s invasion and destruction of Iraq was a major motive for the attackers.

Two of them said exactly that in videotapes they left behind: The attacks “will continue and pick up strengths till you pull your soldiers from Afghanistan and Iraq. … Until we feel security, you will be targets.” Then, less than a year later, a secret report from British military and intelligence chiefs concluded that “the war in Iraq contributed to the radicalization of the July 7 London bombers and is likely to continue to provoke extremism among British Muslims.” The secret report, leaked to The Observer, added: “Iraq is likely to be an important motivating factor for some time to come in the radicalization of British Muslims and for those extremists who view attacks against the U.K. as legitimate.”

John Chilcot, the chairman of the Iraq Inquiry, outlines the terms of reference for the inquiry and explains the panel’s approach to its work during a news conference to launch it at the QEII conference centre in London, Thursday, July 30, 2009. The head of a British inquiry into the Iraq war said Thursday he will call former Prime Minister Tony Blair to testify about the run-up to the conflict, but acknowledged it is unlikely that senior Bush administration officials would give evidence.

The release on Tuesday of the massive Chilcot report — which the New York Times called a “devastating critique of Tony Blair” — not only offers more proof of this causal link, but also reveals that Blair was expressly warned before the invasion that his actions would provoke al Qaeda attacks on the U.K. As my colleague Jon Schwarz reported yesterday, the report’s executive summary quotes Blair confirming he was “aware” of a warning by British intelligence that terrorism would “increase in the event of war, reflecting intensified anti-U.S./anti-Western sentiment in the Muslim world, including among Muslim communities in the West.”
None of this is the slightest bit surprising. Just as the British did, multiple Western intelligence agencies have long recognized (usually in secret) that at the top of the list of terrorism’s causes is the West’s militarism and interference in predominantly Muslim nations — as a 2004 Pentagon-commissioned report specified in listing the causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel”; support for Islamic tyrannies in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia; and, most of all, “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.” The report concluded: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies.” Countless individuals who carried out or plotted attacks on the West have said the same.

Nobody should need official reports or statements from attackers to confirm what common sense makes clear: If you go around the world for years proclaiming yourself “at war,” bombing and occupying and otherwise interfering in numerous countries for your own ends — as the U.S. and U.K. have been doing for decades, long before 9/11 — some of those who identify with your victims will decide — choose — to retaliate with violence of their own. Even Tony Blair’s own Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott acknowledged this self-evident truth in 2015: “When I hear people talking about how people are radicalized, young Muslims — I’ll tell you how they are radicalized. Every time they watch the television where their families are worried, their kids are being killed or murdered and rockets, you know, firing on all these people, that’s what radicalizes them.” …..

Read more….

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/07/chilcot-report-and-77-london-bombing-anniversary-converge-to-highlight-terrorisms-causes/
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July 15, 2016 10:56am
Morrissey

Dave C @ 8:08 a.m. I’m as disappointed as you are about his endorsing Frau Clinton. I think Bernie Sanders figured it was a case of the lesser of two evils. A lot of very decent people are (reluctantly) going to vote for her….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qFWGE1oDoA
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July 15, 2016 11:01am
Don the Kiwi

Stephen Boyle will be frantically scrolling through news of the world so he can deny any Muslim association with the Nice attack.

If he can’t find anything, then he will come up with some medieval claim that “Christians are worse” and provide 3 links to the slanted revisionist history. 😆
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July 15, 2016 11:04am
starboard

You pay cash Dime, its easier. If you cant pay cash you can raise a mortgage here against a property and the banks will give you up to 80%.

By Thai law we can by condos but we cannot buy houses and land, well , you can by setting up a company and getting 5 thai shareholders..its not worth the hassle. Better to get a condo and when you want to sell condo, much easier.

Condos are great because you can lock ’em up and leave. Houses generally have pools and you have to make sure they are kept clean, lawns done etc while you are back in NZ.
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July 15, 2016 11:05am
starboard

…A nice 2 bedroom thai condo in a good spot near the beach up high may set you back 6 million baht , that’s about $240K NZ. You can get cheaper studio types lower down for about half that. Ive seen condos go for 1 million baht ( 40k NZ )
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July 15, 2016 11:09am
Jack5

Just strayed into David Slack on Radio Live, leading an interview attacking Australia’s immigration policy (and by implication in NZ’s). Haven’t heard David since a year or two ago on Radio NZ.

“Appalling condition in refugee camps”, “hard line policy”, “distinction between current policy of Labour and National in Australia … oops sorry.” “Again, and again, refugees come, make a new life and they flourish.” “Xenophobic racism …”

The interviewee: “When America invades we can’t get in vast enough, then we wonder why people come to us.” “Hysterical reaction.” “Australia has been unbelievably cruel.” “Playing on basic fears.” “Not who we are.”

Ah well, I guess this is what the National Government gets for its $43 million loan guarantee to MediaWorks in 2011 allowing it to renew its licences until 2030.

Will that bail out rule out Steven Joyce from ever being a PM? He was Communications Minister at the time and was reported to be a former chief executive of the company’s RadioWorks division.
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July 15, 2016 11:13am
Shawn Herles

The Death of Nations, the Death of Freedom

“There are many ways in which the freedoms that we have taken for granted are being taken away from us. One of the most egregious is the way in which the rise of globalism has led to the ongoing erosion of national sovereignty.

What sort of political freedom will be left to the ordinary man on the street when all government and all power are centralized in global bodies? What voice will he have? Who will hear it?”

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2016/07/nations-death-freedom.html
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July 15, 2016 11:28am
Shawn Herles

Lefty Narrative Fail: Part Two….

‘Harvard economist’s study finds no racial bias in police shootings’

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dont-miss/173347190-story
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July 15, 2016 11:31am
Fletch

“RNZ this morning featured the premiere and reviews of the movie Poi E ( 32 years after song’s release ) featured .

It made me feel so joyful and proud to be a real part of our community of Aotearoa New Zealand ”

I have to say, I was a kid when the song came out and it was a novelty the first time I heard it, but I got sick of tuning in to Ready To Roll and the thing being No #1 week after week. I can remember thinking, “oh, not that bloody thing again“, because they always played the #1 song.
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July 15, 2016 11:33am
Steve (North Shore)

Officials in Nice say truck was loaded with arms and grenades- AlJazeera.
I think there are many people involved and the whole exercise turned to shit
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July 15, 2016 11:34am
rangitoto

“Police have identified the driver, who was killed during the incident, and it is believed to have been a man who was known to security services. Separate reports emerged tonight that police fear four different trucks are involved, raising fears of a massive organised terror attack.”

Known to security services but nothing done.
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July 15, 2016 11:53am
Fletch

Three black men in the U.S shot live on camera phone. Not a peep out of Black Lives Matter. Why? Because the three were shot by another black man and the only black lives that “matter” seem to be the very few shot by white police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687644/Horrifying-moment-Facebook-live-video-captures-three-men-shot.html
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July 15, 2016 12:04pm
David Garrett

Rangitoto: “Known to the security services”…It’s no different here…Key has said there are 40 individuals in this country who are so dangerous they are monitored 24/7…None of the obvious questions are answered, and they are many: Are these New Zealand citizens? If not, why are they still here? If they got naturalized, why hasn’t their citizenship been revoked? Exactly what about them makes them an ongoing serious danger to our society? What – other than watching them – is being done about them? etc. etc.
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July 15, 2016 12:09pm
dime

starboard – thanks for that!
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July 15, 2016 12:14pm
Shawn Herles

What is Distributism? Understanding a Controversial Alternative to Socialism and Plutocracy

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/06/what-is-distributism.html
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July 15, 2016 12:18pm
wikiriwhis business

Peter Evans July 2016

NEW ZEALAND YOU ARE BEING CONNED .

WHAT JOHN KEY IS DOING TO NEW ZEALAND
( growth without wealth, the great Ponzi scheme)

The latest economic figures show that New Zealand has an economy based around supplying goods and services to new immigrants.
How this works, is that consumer goods – TV,s, fridges, cars, couches, curtains, lawnmowers, microwaves, etc, are bought by new people arriving into the country.
This is a form of consumption-based growth and it works as long as you don’t stop immigration. It needs a never ending stream of immigrants to feed it.
If you ask any politician when they are going to stop immigration they won’t tell you, because they have no intention to stop, if they do stop, then the whole Ponzi scheme collapses and you have a whole industry of people in trouble. ( builders, electricians, plumbers, car dealers, building supply companies brown goods sellers like Harvey Norman and Farmers etc,) and this will flow through the entire economy. ( and probably get them voted out )
But one-day immigration will have to stop because we will be full. And when that day arrives ( Key won’t be around and won’t care ) we will be in a lot of trouble.
New Zealand’s wealth comes from our natural resources, Agriculture, Horticulture, Timber, Fishing,Tourism, and Oil are the main ones. The taxation from these industries pays for our welfare system including pensions. (pensions are not paid for by income tax like many people assume. ( If income tax paid for welfare then China and India would have the best welfare systems in the world, neither have welfare.)
But as more and more people come into New Zealand we are overwhelming the welfare system. And our natural resources, which are fixed in their ability to produce income, aren’t coping.
It is a complete fallacy that increasing the population increases your wealth. You only need to look anywhere around the world at the moment, there are a hundred different countries with a hundred different population sizes you can reference.
Most of the world is currently in recession or on the verge of bankruptcy. Population size does not make you rich , it will give you choice but unless you are super rich in natural resources a large population will make you poor. ( populations of , India 1.2 billion, Indonesia 256 million, Pakistan 199 million, Italy 60 million and in recession, Nigeria 181 million, France 66 million and in recession. Portugal and Greece 10 million each and bankrupt, Bangladesh 168 million, Vietnam 100 million, Philippines 100 million, Australia 25 million and in recession, )
Increasing the population creates growth, ( debt-fuelled growth in New Zealand’s case,) but it does not create wealth.
When Key took power in 2008, NZ’s population was 4.2 million in the last 8 years we have increased to 4.7 million ( 500,000 ) if immigration was good for the economy we should be in the most prosperous period in our history, but in the last 8 years, National have borrowed 118 billion dollars. NZ mortgage debt, residential, $211 billion, NZ household debt $15 billion, Mortgage and household debt at record highs.
Not only are our natural resources not producing enough income but socially we are having to accept a lower standard of living.
More vehicles, more congestion, more land being used for roads, more pollution, more competition for our beaches, more competition for our fisheries, more demand for our fresh water, more competition for our parks and reserves, more pressure on our schools and hospitals, the confiscation of arable, income producing farmland to build houses on, the urbanisation of areas like Queenstown, that spoils the environment that is so crucial to our tourism industry. These are just some of the downsides of John Keys current immigration policy.
To be wealthy, New Zealand actually needs a small population, a population where the income earned from our natural resources is sufficient to provide a first world welfare system and where we have more than enough resources for the population living here.
Some commentators say we need to diversify away from our dependence on Farming. While diversification is good it is easier to stick to what we are good at and the IP we have. If we do diversify we certainly don’t need to import more people to do so.
John Key is using immigration to prop up the government’s books when fiscally the more responsible thing to do, is to tell New Zealanders that our population is too big for our welfare system, and we need to make big cuts.
He will never do this though because it would be anathema to voters, who in the short term would have to give up some welfare payments.
But the current path the government is on is far more devastating, yes more revenue is being generated by a larger workforce but this is easily negated by the enormous costs of infrastructure and social expenses, and mortgage debt is a ticking time bomb. ( There is a strong argument that National are not scaling up infrastructure or social services in line with population growth )
The longer Key goes on using immigration to fool us, the poorer we are becoming economically and socially .
It will have to stop one day and the sooner that day arrives the better off we will all be in the long run.
The government is fully aware of what they are doing and to quote Bill English at the end of the 2016 Budget ,
” There will be no tax cuts this year due to the high cost of immigration ”… WHAT ???????
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From the period 2008- 2016
The greatest increase in Population In NZ’s history. from 4.2 million in 2008 to 4.7 million today
Mortgage debt $217.5 billion record high -28 % increase in last 5 years
Consumer debt $ 15.4 billion 16 % increase in last 5 years
Business debt 91.34 Billion
Agriculture debt $59.42 billion record high
Govt debt $ 115 billion
( all figures from Statistics NZ , Reserve Bank , Treasury)
* 500 000 people over the last 8 years, not one new hospital and the longest elective surgery wait lists in years.
* No extra funding for Police in the last 7 years
* 36 million dollars taken out of DOC’s budget ( 2016 ) to pay for the costs of Immigration.
* Massive blowout in Corrections budget to pay for Prisons, 40 million dollars
* Massive growth costs in Roading , Schooling, Health, Pensions, and Government Bureaucracy.
* More competition for our Fisheries
*More vehicles registered than ever in our history creating record levels of pollution recorded by a number of councils
* Enormous congestion problems now encountered in some of the main centre
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July 15, 2016 12:26pm
AgentBallSack

Christ wiki, you heard of paragraphs and page breaks?
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July 15, 2016 12:29pm
wikiriwhis business

Top multinationals pay almost no tax in New Zealand

A major Herald investigation has found the 20 multinational companies most aggressive in shifting profits out of New Zealand overall paid virtually no income tax, despite recording nearly $10 billion in annual sales to Kiwi consumers.

The analysis of financial information of more than 100 multinational corporations and their New Zealand subsidiaries showed that, had the New Zealand branches of these 20 firms reported profits at the same healthy rate as their parents, their combined income tax bill would have been nearly $490 million.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11607336

No wonder this blog doesn’t like the Herald. This newspaper needs to thrive abundantly for decades more. 100 years more as the Nat’Lab paradigm has
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July 15, 2016 12:38pm
wikiriwhis business

Republicans drop TPP from platform

The Republican Party has dumped any mention of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement from its platform, the Wall Street Journal reports (the platform, or policy manifesto, won’t be officially unveiled until the Republican Convention, which kicks off in Cleveland, Ohio from July 18-21).

At the last presidential election, the Republican platform actively promoted the TPP, in keeping with the party’s decades-long push for trade and globalisation.

But presumptive presidential nominee Donald Trump has savaged the trade deal, in line with his generally protectionist line. Mr Trump calls the TPP a “disaster” that would cost American jobs to the advantage of China (another voice on the right, Niall Ferguson, ironically opposes the TPP in part because he sees it as a ham-fisted attempt to exclude China).

Although there is no mention of the TPP itself, the platform features heavily protectionist language, including the paragraph: “We need better-negotiated trade agreements that put America first. We cannot allow foreign governments to limit American access to their markets while stealing our designs, patents, brands, know-how and technology.”

And the very Democrat/Trump-sounding: “Any future trade agreements must make sure our trading partners can’t undercut American workers by taking shortcuts on labor policy or the environment.”

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/republicans-drop-tpp-platform-ck-191577

Hilary wants TPP. That makes it wrong for a start.
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July 15, 2016 12:44pm
SPC

Trump comes out for pound and pence, cowboys and Indians, Pence Governor of Indiana is his running mate.
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July 15, 2016 12:56pm
DJP6-25

My condolences to all those who were killed or injured in the recent Bastille Day terror attack in France.
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July 15, 2016 12:57pm
Captain Mainwaring

wikiriwhis business (in receivership):

That’s enough crap for one day thanks.
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July 15, 2016 1:14pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

People who criticise David Seymour’s stance on immigration; do you have any idea how the demographics of Epsom have changed? I have a friend who works in one of the schools in Epsom and there are almost no pakeha kids left.
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July 15, 2016 1:47pm
Manolo

Let us hope the smelly scum invade this illiberal’s mansion:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/07/14/massive-migrant-camp-forms-near-george-clooneys-italian-mansion.html
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July 15, 2016 1:47pm
Shawn Herles

What exactly is David Seymour’s stance on immigration?
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July 15, 2016 1:52pm
mikenmild

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=David+Seymour+immigration
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July 15, 2016 2:26pm
Johnboy

That took you a while Milkey….losing your touch are you old chap? 🙂
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July 15, 2016 2:29pm
mikenmild

Just trying to help out Shawn, Johnboy. He struggles a bit, and I feel sorry for him. It’s not like he has the advantage of being raised in the Hutt.
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July 15, 2016 2:30pm
Johnboy

True. He’s a tad better at castrating Gators than we are though Milkey! 🙂
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