General Debate 7th June 2016

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starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80772601/New-Zealand-roads-kill-11-during-long-weekend

Ummm…now what, Plod ? Whats your next great step in achieving the impossible ?
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June 7, 2016 2:07pm
stephieboy

alloytoo (1,004 comments) says:
June 7th, 2016 at 11:11 am
@steffie

The notion that Hitler wasn’t socialist because be conducted purges against competitive elements of the left is patently ridiculous.

The very first rule of socialism is to remove the competition, identify them, ridicule them and then have them removed.

Left wing purging is a time honoured tradition since before even Stalin, Mao, Castro or Mugabe.

You attempt to identify Hitler as some kind of hero of the left is very disingenuous . He eliminated the Communists because , among many things, they were “internationalists ” and in league with the Zionist and Jews In other words a potential security threat to the Reich .Hitler therefore did not regard them as a “competitive element .”Besides the German voter overwhelming decided in favour of the t ultra Right NSDAP .
Purges also feature on the right such as Franco’s purges in the late 1930s ,Pinochet’s in Chile in the 1970s and the Dirty War Argentine 1974-1983 , Indonesian anti Communist purge ,

“In Spain, the White Terror (also known as la Represión Franquista, the “Francoist Repression”) was the series of acts of politically motivated violence, rape, and other crimes committed by the Nationalist movement during the Spanish Civil War (17 July 1936 to 1 April 1939) and during Francisco Franco’s dictatorship (1 October 1936 – 20 November 1975)….”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Spain)

and,

Pinochet purges ,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8232996.stm

and,

Dirty War Argentine ,

http://www.britannica.com/event/Dirty-War

and,

Revisiting an Indonesian massacre 50 years on
Anti-communist purges starting in 1965 killed 500,000 people – and now survivors are challenging the official narrative.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/09/revisiting-indonesian-massacre-50-years-150930055803832.html

I can assure you Hitler never used the Stalinist model for centralised economic planning to run his economy . The Reich Ministries put out the tenders and orders to Private Companies like Messerschmidt , Daimler Benz Porsche .Krupp etc.They duly supplied Largely no different to what the Pentagon does today .
Are you suggesting private enterprise was abolished in Nazi iGermany like Stalins’ Soviet Union ?
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June 7, 2016 2:58pm
Jack5

Happy Ramadan to all the Stephie people blogging team.

Kul ‘am wa enta bi-khair!
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June 7, 2016 3:00pm
mikenmild

I see we are to get a new political force – the New Zealand Seniors Party.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80790781/new-zealand-seniors-party-launches-will-enter-candidates-in-2017-election
Only policy so far is to allow overseas pensions to augment National Super.
A reliable source has reported that other likely policies include:
– louder television programmes
– raising the voting age to 55
– lowering the speed limit to 70kph
– subsidising dentures
– teaching the younger generations to have more respect
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June 7, 2016 3:21pm
Captain Mainwaring

@mikenmild 3:21
Clearly NZ First has failed. There is obviously a need for another party to represent Winston’s confused followers.
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June 7, 2016 3:28pm
AgentBallSack

I would have suggested we set up a “Beneficiaries Party” where you can attract all the ill educated and people who draw welfare for a living by promising them something for nothing but then I remembered…we already have Labour.
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June 7, 2016 3:34pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

The New Zealand Seniors Party has appointed Barnaby Perkins as its spokesman – what an apt name in the circumstances!
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June 7, 2016 3:38pm
Nostradamus

Yesterday, on the Queen’s 90th Birthday Honours List 2016 thread of all places, Deadrightkev asserted:

Healthcare treatment is still prehistoric in many ways despite the advances of science. … There are highly advanced natural treatments being administered by specialists that cure people without the toxic side effects of drugs and for me that is what matters.

Northshoredoc asked Deadrightkev to provide evidence – only to receive another assertion:

Go to a GP and tell them you have a problem. The chances of you coming out with a prescription for a drug is probably over 90%. The chances of being given a diet and exercise program with advice on why it is by far the best route is 10% at best.

This is a good point to introduce Dr Ben Goldacre. Deadrightkev will be interested in his credentials: British physician, academic, writer, Guardian columnist and self-proclaimed “nerd evangelist”. But Deadrightkev won’t like his views:

I am an equal opportunities quack-buster, so I go after people who misrepresent statistics, regardless of who they are. I go after quacks like homeopaths and nutritionists and herbal remedy peddlers, but I also go after big drug companies, I go after bad journalists.

Dr Goldacre will visit New Zealand in September. I do hope DPF can set up a special debate between Dr Goldacre and Deadrightkev – I’d pay money for that!
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June 7, 2016 3:56pm
stigie

The NZ Seniors Party…..not another party that has a sense of entitlement and something for nothing FFS..?
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June 7, 2016 3:58pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

I’m thinking of setting up the New Zealand Ratepayers and Water Consumers Party. I’m seeking likeminded people with a sense of entitlement who want something for nothing. Are you with me buddy?
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June 7, 2016 3:59pm
mikenmild

I’d go and see Goldacre, but I believe he is only visiting Auckland. I recommend his blog:
http://www.badscience.net/
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June 7, 2016 3:59pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Labour is blaming a lack of policing for the record Queen’s Birthday road toll. Obviously New Zealanders can’t avoid having fatal crashes unless they are preceded by a police car travelling at 10 km/h under the speed limit.
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June 7, 2016 4:07pm
stigie

Im with ya Nostra but you will have to consult Penny on the ins and out of such party as she has experience in that field.

Of course you would expect a small fee for the expert input she gives to help her with the debt she now owes to millions of Aucklanders and to help with half dying cats that happen to frequent the hovel..?
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June 7, 2016 4:11pm
RalphT

I believe that next week Barnaby Perkins will again announce the establishment of the Seniors Party, having forgotten that he’d already done so…
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June 7, 2016 4:13pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Penny can cobble together a group of rent-a-mob protestors at short notice.

But I don’t think she’s capable of organising a political party. The last party that she gate-crashed (Occupy) didn’t end well as I recall?

(Besides, Penny has a date with a High Court judge on 6 July, and she needs time to get her papers in order.)
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June 7, 2016 4:14pm
waripori

AP is reporting that Clinton now has enough delegates for the Dem nomination so we can now officially think about the general.

538.com has a model for making predictions at http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/ which is fun to play with. It splits the electorate in to 5 groups. College educated whites, non college educated whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asian/other. You can then reset the % turn out and split between GOP and Dems and see how various changes impact different states and the electoral college outcome. I set all the groups to 50% turn out and 50% GOP /dems and I would have thought it would result in a 50% share of the popular vote but it did not for some reason. Instead it gave the GOP 49.5% of the vote and the Democrats 48.8%.1.7% of the vote has gone somewhere else which might reflect Libertarians and Greens. The interesting thing is that there will still be a Democratic President which bears out their Electoral College advantage.

It does not take much movement in turn out or preference to change the outcome a lot and in particular if the Latino vote goes up and more of them vote Democrat Arizona will become Blue and Texas could as well. No wonder John McCain is a bit unhappy about Trump having a go at the Mexican judge from Indiana.
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June 7, 2016 4:17pm
stigie

I believe this is how it ended Nostra……

http://i2.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/image001.jpg
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June 7, 2016 4:18pm
stigie

“(Besides, Penny has a date with a High Court judge on 6 July, and she needs time to get her papers in order.)”

Whats to say she will have all her papers in order this time. Last time she confused everyone with her shit, the judge gave her some extra time.

This upcoming court day on the 6th July will have everyone and the High Court judge so confused with her confusion that he/she will set another fucking court date 2 years down the track no doubt…?
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June 7, 2016 4:39pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

A hearing before a District Court Judge is a bit like having coffee with your nana.

A hearing before a High Court Judge (which Penny will have on 6 July) is like a 6am boot camp for army cadets.

Now, if Penny were to push her shit uphill as far as the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court, she’s in for a rude shock if she tries to waste the judges’ time!
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June 7, 2016 4:45pm
Inandout

Does fasting cause stephie to ramble more than usual?
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June 7, 2016 4:57pm
nasska

It appears that fasting can cause dehydration, headaches, heartburn & raise stress levels I&O. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/295914.php

Nothing about insanity, death wishes, latent misogyny or keyboard diarrhoea though. It’s probably an unrelated, inherited disease. 🙂
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June 7, 2016 5:17pm
Scott

Totally agree with Tom Hunter on the identity politics of the left. Ben Carson got no end of abuse from the left wing media because he left the reservation. He’s a black conservative and that’s no good in the left’s eyes. They think all black people should be liberal Democrats.
Trump’s using the left’s identity politics against them and that’s good. The judge is Mexican heritage, how could he not support his fellow Mexicans against Trump who wants to build a wall dividing Mexico and the USA? In fact Mexicans would expect his support to take down Trump!
Conservatives need to harden up and support Trump. He is the only person with the balls to take on the liberal establishment.
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June 7, 2016 5:20pm
alex Masterley

Nostradamus,
Agreed.
My recent experience with lay litigants “pushing shit uphill” in both the CA and SC confirms your comment about rude shocks. They don’t like being told their cases are hopeless at all.
I am not so sure that the High Court Judges in Auckland are as cranky as they used to be. They bend over backwards for lay litigants these days.
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June 7, 2016 5:24pm
dad4justice

“They bend over backwards for lay litigants these days.”

Are all Auckland High Court judges gay?
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June 7, 2016 5:27pm
stigie

Probably the same amount that there are in Christchurch Dad, if you were to ask ole chap..?
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June 7, 2016 5:35pm
EAD

““There’s a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman, and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot.” – President John F. Kennedy 7 days before his assassination

http://henrymakow.com/001544.html

“Current events are like a “Magic Eye” picture that you have to stare at for a long time. But if you know what to look for, the picture emerges as plain as day.

As incredible and bizarre as this sounds, a satanic (cabalistic) occult society has taken control of the planet through the central banking system. It seeks to impose its tyranny through the ruse of the “war on terror” and world government. Every war was a trick used to slaughter and brutalize humanity and to increase the wealth and power of this cabal……

The central banking cartel is the mainspring of the New World Order. By giving foreign private interests the power to create money based on our credit, our predecessors doomed Western Civilization. These private interests naturally bought control of everything and everyone and now want to institutionalize their control globally.
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June 7, 2016 6:09pm
mikenmild

Oh, Scott
This is just a do-over of old conservative curmudgeon tactics: they said black judges couldn’t hear civil rights cases; they said gay judges couldn’t rule on marriage equality.
Pretty soon it will be that only a judge of German/Scots ancestry born to wealth with history of misogyny and business scams could be impartial enough to judge Trump.
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June 7, 2016 6:12pm
mikenmild

EAD
You get bonus points for the bogus Kennedy quote…
Anything else you’d like to make up?
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June 7, 2016 6:14pm
Griff

Hay EAD you commie scum.
That’s what the commentatiate discided this morning.
You are a commie lefty national socialist prog .
suck it up .
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June 7, 2016 6:16pm
mikenmild

Perhaps EAD will explain exactly how Nazis are better than socialists.
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June 7, 2016 6:23pm
alex Masterley

DFJ at 5.27.
Only some of them.
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June 7, 2016 6:33pm
Nostradamus

Dad:

Are all Auckland High Court judges gay?

An openly-gay Attorney General (Chris Finlayson) attended the swearing-in of an openly gay High Court Judge (Justice Muir).

And, in unrelated news, 3 years ago in Eketahuna:

Gay district court judge and ex-film censor Bill Hastings convicted an Eketahuna man for confronting a gay couple in the street with the offensive words “you’ve got Aids” and “you’re a poofter”.
…
Judge Hastings was in no doubt Strange’s words to the men – used in the middle of the day in a public street – would have disturbed the public order of Eketahuna.
…
Fining Strange $400, with $130 court costs – while suppressing the names of his upset victims – Judge Hastings said there was a need to deter others and protect the community “from you and people like you”.

Nasska – any further insights?
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June 7, 2016 6:38pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Dialectics – the guys in charge are the “bad guys” (‘guys’?! That’s sexist!!) The guys not in charge are the oppressed, aka the “good guys”

You got that from Hegel, Kimbo? I don’t think the history of dialectics has much to do with the line in political rhetoric you’re talking about. Hegel was a fan of Napoleon. And I think that ‘they’re bad’ we’re good and oppressed’ line of rhetoric goes back to the beginning of politics.
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June 7, 2016 6:44pm
nasska

Can’t shed much light on that one Nostra but the Main St toilets have long been a haunt of passing deviants. Why, I have no idea as the locals prefer sheep.

Anyway a photo of the building at the ‘bottom’ of the problem https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=Eketahuna+1.jpg …..soon to be replaced in the town’s current revamp.
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June 7, 2016 6:51pm
Scott Hamilton

‘The judge is Mexican heritage, how could he not support his fellow Mexicans against Trump who wants to build a wall dividing Mexico and the USA? ‘

This is really what I want to object to in the discourse of the alt-right supporters of Trump. The notion that an individual’s bloodline determines his or her allegiances and determines his or her behaviour is both pseudo-scientific and morally dangerous.
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June 7, 2016 6:52pm
mikenmild

Hush Scott. Kimbo is Kiwiblog’s ‘intellectual’ don’t ya know?
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June 7, 2016 6:53pm
RF

Angry Angrew. 7% waste of space. Now well behind the true leader of the opposition who sits on 12%. New poll tonight.
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June 7, 2016 6:55pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Kimbo is Kiwiblog’s ‘intellectual’ don’t ya know?’

Kimbo’s explications of Christian theology are very informative. He’s less reliable on the theology of Marxism, probably because he’s spent less time praying in that church!
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June 7, 2016 7:03pm
Scott

Scott Hamilton, I would say yes there is a tribalism about the black vote 95% for Obama and the Mexican vote where 8 out of every 10 Hispanic immigrants immediately vote Democrat.

But again I will write it really slowly so you understand – on the left they celebrate that Hispanics have a special perspective and that blacks have a special perspective. How many leftists have been openly suspicious about white justice? So on the left it’s ok to say white judges haven’t got the right perspective and we need more black judges. Liberals are obsessed by race!

Here we have a Mexican heritage judge with links to radical group LA Raza and here we have Trump who wants to build a wall.
Is it not remotely possible this judge is biased against Trump?

To help you out, if it was a white judge and a Mexican in the dock you know you would be very sympathetic to a charge of racial bias. Be honest – you know you would.
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June 7, 2016 7:04pm
Nostradamus

Meanwhile, in a sleepy hollow called Waihi, there’s a law firm with a very interesting name. The name will resonate well with some Kiwiblog readers: Clark and Gay. Which is all very odd, really, because none of the lawyers seem to be called “Clark” or “Gay”.

I wonder if any fee-paying clients have asked the obvious question? 🙂
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June 7, 2016 7:04pm
stigie

“I wonder if any fee-paying clients have asked the obvious question?”

If the fee-paying clients were all gay Nostra, there would be no need to ask !~
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June 7, 2016 7:10pm
Reid

I wonder if any fee-paying clients have asked the obvious question?

Er.

Where’s Heather?
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June 7, 2016 7:16pm
stigie

Bugger Nasska, when i click on your links, all i get is a page to create an account with Dropbox…

Bloody frustrating ole chap !! Anyone else get the same ?
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June 7, 2016 7:18pm
nasska

I’ll check it out stigie.
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June 7, 2016 7:20pm
starboard

Just browsing the strandard and came across this delusional statement from some weiner..

“Nationals crumbling and the opposition can simply stand by and let them fall off the cliff of their own accord , no need to expend too much energy , just a gentle shove to see them on their way perhaps… at any rate… from here on in , the left block just got a whole new emphasis with the MOU.”

I just fail to see where National is failing/crumbling. Weirdos.
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June 7, 2016 7:21pm
Pete George

One News Colmar Brunton poll for June 2016:

National 48% (down from 50)
Labour 29% (up from 28)
Greens 12% (up from 10)
NZ First 9%
Maori Party 0.7% (down from 1.1)
Conservative Party 0.7% (up from 0.3)
ACT Party 0.3% (down from 0.7)
Other 0.6% (up from 0,2)

Polling was done between 28th of May and 2nd of June, the MoU announcement part way through so can’t take much from that.

Preferred Prime Minister:

John Key 39%
Winston Peters 12% (up from 10)
Andrew Little 7%

http://colmarbrunton.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/160607-ONE-News-Colmar-Brunton-Poll-report-28-May-2-June-2016-prelim.pdf
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June 7, 2016 7:25pm
Longknives

Where are the Internet Party on that Poll? I thought ‘the kids’ loved Kim Dotcom??
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June 7, 2016 7:28pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Bugger Nasska, when i click on your links, all i get is a page to create an account with Dropbox…

The links are X-rated. Come back when you’re old enough to shave old chap!

(No, putting on my serious hat, I have the same issue with Nasska’s Dropbox links.)
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June 7, 2016 7:29pm
nasska

…..”Conservative Party 0.7% (up from 0.3)”….

I wonder what inspired the Godnutters’ good fortune. 🙂
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June 7, 2016 7:29pm
Brigitte

I’m not a lawyer but my first thoughts re Trump’s comments were that he’s either in contempt of court or he’s trying to pervert the course of justice. Are there any lawyers who could confirm or otherwise my opinion (noting that the US is a different legal system to NZ of course).
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June 7, 2016 7:29pm
stigie

How the fuck can that be the Act Party going from 0.7% to 0.3% ? Got me beat !~
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June 7, 2016 7:31pm
Brigitte

nasska, suspect the 0.4% is one response (or 2 at most). Perhaps they rang Colin as one of the survey participants!

Edit: Just checked, 0.4% increase is an extra 5 votes. Blimey, that’s a bit of a jump then. Ditto for the Act decline.
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June 7, 2016 7:32pm
kowtow

“Does fasting cause stephie to ramble more than usual?”

TV 3 “news” just done a big puff piece on ramadan , including telling us how to greet fasters.

TV 3 , here’s my ramadan greeting to you, “Fuck off”.
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June 7, 2016 7:33pm
stigie

“(No, putting on my serious hat, I have the same issue with Nasska’s Dropbox links.)”

Is Nasska still using one of those green screen PCs from the 80s Nostra..?
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June 7, 2016 7:34pm
Scott

A good explanation of why Trump is right to attack the Mexican heritage judge –
trumps-jujitsu-overthrow-of-liberalism.php
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June 7, 2016 7:35pm
Nostradamus

Kowtow:

telling us how to greet fasters

With a bacon and egg sandwich from the all-day breakfast range?
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June 7, 2016 7:35pm
mikenmild

There were 1500 people polled, so that’s about 10 Conservative Party voters that they reached.
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June 7, 2016 7:36pm
nasska

Brigitte

Agree that it’s not as bad as it seems. The poll surveyed 1509 voters so all it means is that ten & a half Godnutters were dopey enough to answer the phone at tea time. 🙂

Edit: Ditto Mike.
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June 7, 2016 7:39pm
EAD

A good read:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bilderberg-2016-we-can-expect-desperate-lobbying-against-brexit-big-business-1563898

Goldman Sachs has two senior representatives on Bilderberg’s steering committee: James A. Johnson, a board member of the bank, and Robert Zoellick, the chairman of Goldman Sachs’ board of international advisors. We know from Charity Commission accounts that Goldman Sachs, along with BP, is one of the key funders of the group, and we also know that they’ve been pumping “a substantial six-figure sum” into the Remain campaign.

The prospect of Brexit “frightens me”, admit Ken Jacobs, the head
of Lazard, and another member of Bilderberg’s inner circle. Not much frightens these people. Only two things: sunlight and Brexit.

If you are familiar with the way the world really works, I can see the funny side in the red-pilled author saying the only thing they’re afraid of is sunlight and BREXIT.

I know he’d probably be arrested under “hate speech” legislation, but I really wish people could not just allude to Vampires/Bankers in an ambiguous way and actually name the culprit for creating this mess of a world.
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June 7, 2016 7:40pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

Are you sure they didn’t ask Deadrightkev the same questions 10 times?
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June 7, 2016 7:40pm
mikenmild

Genuine question: Do Americans of Hispanic heritage like being called ‘Mexicans’?
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June 7, 2016 7:40pm
AgentBallSack

For dropbox links just click the X on the create an account pop up. It will then show nasskas upload.

Edit it appears they are now forcing people to create accounts to view uploaded material. Unless nasskas link is dodgy as it doesnt look like a valid dropbox link.
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June 7, 2016 7:42pm
Nostradamus

… just click the X on the create an account pop up …

See Stigie – I told you they were X-rated!
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June 7, 2016 7:43pm
Captain Mainwaring

That poll would be very different if ALL of it was conducted after the joint suicide note was announced. Even those lefties who were polled after the great reveal are probably still trying to get their heads around it.
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June 7, 2016 7:45pm
stigie

“I told you they were X-rated!”

Seen as you’re over 18 and im not, perhaps you could try and open it for me Nostra and i wont tell a soul..?
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June 7, 2016 7:52pm
AgentBallSack

Testing dropbox link
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June 7, 2016 7:52pm
EAD

Couldn’t finish my editing on why those who pull the string at Bilderberg are like Vampires:

– They rely on remaining unseen (even the event itself was dismissed as “conspiracy theory for many years until repeated prodding by “nutters” bought them out of the shadows)
– They are twisted in appearance (i.e. George Soros)
– They are both parasite and predator, which is the meat of the author’s analogy here from my perspective.
– In recent fiction at least, they have the power of compulsion, an ability to strip the will of humans and make them do the will of the (((vampire))), and they treat humans like cattle.
– Given how tight and incestuous the invite list is, their whole identity and behavior is determined by blood.
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June 7, 2016 7:55pm
AgentBallSack

It was nasskas retarded link 🙂
simply click on “continue to view”
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June 7, 2016 7:55pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Seen as you’re over 18 and im not

Have you asked Gabby to open the Dropbox link for you? He’s over 18 but, like Peter Pan, will never grow up!
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June 7, 2016 7:56pm
stigie

Thanks ABS, did you manage to open that link of Nasska’s, because what i have is no x or no “continue to view”.

Maybe Nostra is right, it may just be too hot for me to look at or is Nasska’s computor fucked..?
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June 7, 2016 8:03pm
stigie

“Have you asked Gabby”

Shit no Nostra, would prefer to ask Dad even if i get abused !~
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June 7, 2016 8:07pm
AgentBallSack

no nasskas link is jacked it just takes you to the “home” screen of dropbox if you are logged in…he shared a preview not a link
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June 7, 2016 8:07pm
dad4justice

“Shit no Nostra, would prefer to ask Dad even if i get abused !~”

Don’t bother asking me you irritating stigfly. Go make love with a can of raid you pest!!
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June 7, 2016 8:34pm
Fletch

Edit it appears they are now forcing people to create accounts to view uploaded material. Unless nasskas link is dodgy as it doesnt look like a valid dropbox link.

I haven’t used it in a while, but doesn’t it have to be in the public folder? Then, I think you have to right click on the file and ‘Copy Public Link’. As I said, not 100% sure any more.
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June 7, 2016 8:38pm
dad4justice

Is dropbox for dropkicks much like the twits that use twitter?

God help us all.
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June 7, 2016 8:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

Would this loser have made a better fist of his life if he’d actually had to work for a living?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/80830593/paris-hiltons-little-brother-heading-to-jail-after-failing-drug-tests
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June 7, 2016 9:17pm
Griff

Is dropbox for dropkicks much like the twits that use twitter?

Is int your hero redbait twittering now d4j?
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June 7, 2016 10:06pm
Awww C-mon

Red baiter is tweeting away MM, if you haven’t checked it out, don’t bother. What a narcissistic prick that guy is!

Long day today, 15 hrs from start to finish… imagine if I got paid ?
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June 7, 2016 10:28pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Here we have a Mexican heritage judge with links to radical group LA Raza and here we have Trump who wants to build a wall.
Is it not remotely possible this judge is biased against Trump?’

My understanding is that Judge Curiel doesn’t have any connection to the Mexican irredentist group La Raza, but if he did then it would certainly legitimate for Trump’s lawyers to ask for him to be recused from hearing the Trump University case. But this isn’t what’s happened. Trump has not argued against judge Curiel on the basis of his political opinions and associations, but on the basis of his bloodline. Because he was born to Mexican parents, Trump argues the judge is ipso facto biased and shouldn’t be allowed to sit on the Trump university. As Trump’s critics within even the Republican Party have pointed out, this is a racially based argument. And if it were consistently follwoed, then it would elad to the purging of all sorts of ethnic groups from US public life.
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June 7, 2016 10:40pm
Left Right and Centre

I’m sure I was listening to some recent import to this fine melting pot . . .
The muzzas are entering something called Ramyourdong or some such.
So if you’d be *so kind* as to not eat in their presence – because that’s just rude to eat in front of them when they’re hanging out for sundown.
And they’re not allowed any sex or something. So don’t fuck in front of them either. Or show them your porn.

Fuck them. I’d like to get a big arse crispy grilled bacon and egg hamburger then try to squirt sauce in their face with the first bite.
Bring your stupidity to a non-stupidity country and now you can’t eat food if they’re around fasting ? Get bent.

So I’m at my local scum-are-saving . . . at peak underclass o’clock – I know what they look like now. They look like a shop of wanted criminal Police 10/7 mugshots. I want to ring up and report all of them for being on the run. Someone has dropped an ugly bomb on that shop – whoa. One fat gormless munter mother – her three odd year old feral girl was unsupervised taking product out of bulk bins and eating it. Mother didn’t see it – couldn’t care less.

general running – I’m sure a brown underferal called me faggot today. My favourite slightly dodgy dog was off the lead and ran over nearer to me. Hopefully it’s too cold for the ghetto punks to be out in the open. Now *there’s* an upside to falling mercury.
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June 8, 2016 2:24am
alloytoo

@ Stephie boy

In your desperate attempt to strip Adolf of his socialist credentials you’ve hurtled headlong into the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

I’m in no way suggesting that Hitler is a socialist hero, though you suggest that Mao, Stalin, Mugabe etc are…..

You can point to all the atrocities in the world conducted by people who were ideologically apposed to socialism, that doesn’t undo any of the purges conducted by socialists, nor does it undo the fact that Hitler claimed to be a socialist, led a socialist party, and introduced socialist policies.
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June 8, 2016 6:59am
Viking2

The third camp (mine) holds that the U.S. (N.Z),economy is simply overrun by an out-of-control and increasingly politicized regulatory state. If it takes years to get the permits to start projects and mountains of paper to hire people, if every step risks a new criminal investigation, people don’t invest, hire or innovate.

Sounds familiar doesn’t it.
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America is middle-aged and overweight. The first camp says, well, that’s nature, stop complaining. The second camp looks for the latest miracle diet—try the 10-day detox cleanse! The third camp says get back to the tried, true and sometimes painful: eat right and exercise.

Oh dear us again!
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Growth-oriented policies will be resisted. Growth comes from productivity, which comes from new technologies and new companies. These displace the profits of old companies, and the healthy pay and settled lives of their managers and workers. Economic regulation is largely designed to protect profits, jobs and wages tied to old ways of doing things. Everyone likes growth, but only in someone else’s backyard.
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Yep

http://johnhcochrane.blogspot.co.nz/2016/06/wsj-growth-oped-full-version.html#more

A really good read and timely with the immigration debate.
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June 8, 2016 7:42am
Griff

Whay the nazi had in their name and what they actually were is not necessarily the same .
Here Is a list of Democratic republic
Notice how many are not democratic .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic

Why is Hitler slightly right? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren’t fascists either.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/faq#faq4
Let’s start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country — political, ethnic, religious — whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!

But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners — all of them deeply hostile to socialism — were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.

Fascism, according to the American Heritage Dictionary (1983) is A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile’s entry in the Encyclopedia Italiana read: Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. No less an authority on fascism than Mussolini was so pleased with that definition that he later claimed credit for it.

Nevertheless, within certain US circles,the misconception remains that fascism is essentially left wing, and that the Nazis were socialists simply because of the “socialism” in their name. We wonder if respondents who insist on uncritically accepting the Nazis’ cynical self-definition would be quite as eager to believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic.
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