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Longknives

What are the TAB odds on the Viernheim Gunman being a ‘recent arrival’ in Germany?
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June 24, 2016 8:08am
Don the Kiwi

Theme song for the UK today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLQJVKP3YlM
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June 24, 2016 8:09am
Keeping Stock

@ Don the Kiwi – this is a much better version:

https://youtu.be/yW8mF2be0I0
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June 24, 2016 8:15am
oldpark

Trouble at mill ,or in this instance TVNZ. An attempt by the Liebour/Green Party broadcasting mouthpieces,Clare Curran and Gareth Hughes to change the rules of TVNZ. Even though the TVNZ newsroom is controlled by Liebour/Green sycophants who nightly massage the news stories and forever attempt to smear John Key and his Government. After a sicko biased poll doing the rounds wanting the removal of Mike Hosking ,the mentioned MPS have bought into the malice,to allegedly character assassinate Mike Hosking. There is a hint of same tactics employed in 2006 against “ERIN LEIGH”. Check out Kiwiblog September 16 2011. The crime Mike Hosking is being accused of is telling the truth. seems Liebour/Green sycophants control TVNZ ,except all attempts to muzzle Mike Hosking from telling the truth,and promoting NZ in a positive winning way ,has gotten up the noses, of the doom and gloom Liebour/Green voters.
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June 24, 2016 8:16am
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL: THE TWILIGHT ZONE OF IDIOCY

A day after the Budget last year, Finance Minister Bill English was in Christchurch, speaking to the local Chamber of Commerce.

The Press reported on the visit at the time with The Government’s estimated contribution to the Christchurch rebuild jumps $1.1b in a year | Stuff.co.nz …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/68786324/the-governments-estimated-contribution-to-the-christchurch-rebuild-jumps-11b-in-a-year

Mr English made it clear the smaller adjoining local government units of Waimakarir and Selwyn had been responsive, following the first earthquake events 4 September 2010 … but that nothing had changed at the Christchurch City Council.

It was just as dysfunctional as ever.

If it had not been for the smaller adjoining local government units of Waimakariri and Selwyn, Christchurch housing would have blown out to in excess of 10.00x annual household incomes (where Auckland is today) … not the current 6.0 times.

In normal markets housing does not exceed 3.00x annual household incomes, requiring mortgage loads of about 2.50x … as the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys illustrate year after year …

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

The Christchurch Council people … still at War with its community and business … has not learnt a thing. The Clueless City Council.

The earthquake recovery has been a bureaucratic disaster. A seething caldron of failure with a constant barrage of bad news.

Yesterday’s Christchurch City Council meeting considered a surreal draft Housing Policy. The Press report … CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO ELIMINATE HOMELESSNESS …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/81372528/Christchurch-City-Council-wants-to-eliminate-homelessness

The hour long proceedings on this issue need to be watched closely … to adequately grasp the depths of ignorance, hopelessness and dysfunction …

http://councillive.ccc.govt.nz/video/6410

Starting from page 103 is the Councils draft Housing Policy …

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-_5Cy8MBax4c2FOaFRmT290NGs/view

It was prepared by the Councils Principal Social Policy Advisor, a Mr Paul Cottam …

https://nz.linkedin.com/in/paul-cottam-b8034725

https://www.psa.org.nz/at-work/our-sectors/local-government/sector-committee/paul-cottam/

This writer recently discussed the overall progress on housing issues in New Zealand … the global leader … with Heather du Plessis-Alan on New Zealand’s RadioLive …

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Talking-housing-affordability-across-the-globe-with-Hugh-Pavletich/tabid/506/articleID/122978/Default.aspx

The overall outstanding political progress in New Zealand was also summed up within a recent The Listener Editorial …

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/features/house-in-order/

The bureaucratically buggered Christchurch City Council is still in a world of its own … the twilight world of idiocy.

This was supposed to be sorted over 3 years ago … CHRISTCHURCH: THE WAY FORWARD …

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm

… and CHRISTCHURCH FAILURE: THE LONG HISTORY …

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00200/christchurch-failure-the-long-history-hugh-pavletich.htm
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June 24, 2016 8:23am
burt

oldpark

The left have never managed to stay popular without controlling the media.
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June 24, 2016 8:28am
Longknives

This Jenny Salesa person is making a fucking idiot of herself…
I eagerly await The Rock’s response!
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June 24, 2016 8:28am
Happychappy

I think Phil Goff has a cheek saying these Diplomats deserve a apology and a settlment for what the Government has done.I actually don’t mind so much for them but I take offence that Phil Goff for four or five years after National became the Government encouraged his ex staff to leak information to him so he could orcatrate hits on the National Government.This MP has a history of ex staff giving him information and has left a Legacy of dishonesty and narks in this ministry
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June 24, 2016 8:31am
Casual Spectator

https://www.change.org/p/keep-mike-hosking-at-tvnz

Sign and share. Let the silent majority be heard.
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June 24, 2016 8:31am
flipper

Billy O’Reilly,whose shows (several each week) are second only to HBO’s “Game of thorns…nonsense ….zzzzzz” as the biggest audience pullers, nails the cause of terrorist actions. He will surely upset our resident “allah” (silly 13th Century name that) wallopers…

Unlike that idiot US AG Lynch, Billy O does not “give them love….” :

A Bizarre and Unholy Alliance

When there is news of a bombing or mass killing, self-styled progressives strive mightily to avoid any connection with Islam or the Koran.
Imagine a scenario: One week after the 9/11 terror attacks, 79% of Republicans blame Islamic terrorism, while 60% of Democrats blame airplanes.

Of course that is unthinkable and ridiculous – every sane American understood that radical Muslims were the culprits.

But now, in the wake of the Orlando terror attacks, 4 in 5 Republicans blame Islamism, while 6 in 10 Democrats point to easy access to guns. That is despite the killer’s declared allegiance to ISIS and his professed devotion to Allah.

There is something truly bizarre about the left’s knee-jerk defense of Islam. And the farther left one goes on the political spectrum, the greater the reluctance to criticize the religion or its most radical practitioners. (Although they have no such reluctance when it comes to denouncing Christianity.)

Put another way, people who incessantly proclaim their ‘tolerance’ often ally themselves with a religion whose adherents tend to be the most intolerant people on the planet. ….,..

Continue reading on BillOReilly.com
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June 24, 2016 8:31am
igm

When one sees the carryings-on by filthy left regarding Hosking, it makes me resolute in never entertaining employment to any known lefty unionist. Years ago it was possible to rid the company of this scum without a great deal of cost, today it is a problem, hence most positions of substance applicants are well researched as to their backgrounds and affiliations. Once again costs are increased, but in the long-term, well worth it.
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June 24, 2016 8:32am
Keeping Stock

Well said Oldpark. Let’s not forget that Clare Curran was donkey deep in the Erin Leigh mess, along with Trevor Mallard, MP for Hutt South and David Parker, one-time Labour Party leadership contender.

The woman who accused Labour MP Trevor Mallard and a top public servant of destroying her reputation has won an appeal to the Supreme Court.

In 2007, whistleblower Erin Leigh accused Mallard, then Environment Minister, of defamation.

This was after she raised questions about political interference and alleged former minister David Parker pushed for Clare Curran to be appointed to a communications role with the Ministry.

All three Labour members involved are currently sitting Members of Parliament.

At the time Mallard was asked an oral question on the matter in Parliament and spoke negatively about Leigh.

He told the House she had “repeated competence issues” and said Curran had been appointed to “fix up the mess”.

The Ministry’s then Deputy Secretary Lindsay Gow had been appointed to provide Mallard with written and oral briefings before he answered the question.

Unable to sue Mallard, who was protected by parliamentary privilege, Leigh subsequently sued Gow for defamation.

Gow contended that his written and oral communications to the minister were also covered by absolute privilege and that the claims should therefore be struck out.

But the High Court, Court of Appeal, and now Supreme Court ruled that it was a matter of qualified, not absolute, privilege.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5638025/Whistleblower-wins-defamation-appeal

It’s not Curran’s only brush with notoriety. As recently as last month she was accused of meddling in Environment Court proceedings, causing the Judge hearing the case to formally minute the fact that a letter Curran wrote to him would be given no weight in his decision – http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/384433/quarry-owner-challenges-curran

The campaign to “get” Hosking is based on absolute hypocrisy though. Many of those who are calling for him to be sacked are the some lefties who were begging Mediaworks NOT to axe Campbell Live last year. The political Left simply can’t handle any opinion which is not theirs, and will stop at nothing to suppress free speech. And Clare Curran made an art form of it when she ruled Labour’s blog Red Alert with an iron fist, banning anyone who dared to challenge her.
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June 24, 2016 8:35am
burt

igm

When one sees the carryings-on by filthy left regarding Hosking, it makes me resolute in never entertaining employment to any known lefty unionist.

It’s about time National did the right thing on unions and made a change to employment law such that employers can refuse to make union membership payments via their payroll. A small change, let the workers join a union if they want as that is their right – but there is no way employers should be forced into arranging the payment and paying the bank fees associated. If National had any balls they would do this !!!
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June 24, 2016 8:37am
peterwn

Happychappy – the two H’s seemed to have more success removing ‘disloyal’ staff than National ministers. Jonathan Coleman probably does not know where to start removing Annette King narks from Ministry of Health and DHBs’.
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June 24, 2016 8:38am
Paulus

happy chappie

I agree with you, simply, “if these two senior MFAT staff did not leak the details of the MFAT reorganisation to Goff – then who did?”

I suspect they were and their wives were pissed off that they were not going to continue to get the glorification of their cushy overseas senior jobs.
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June 24, 2016 8:44am
Rich Prick

I wonder how many leftie agitators against Hoskings would enjoy having their employment tenure by popular vote? I’m guessing approximately none. Hypocrites. Thankfully TVNZ will just ignore them.
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June 24, 2016 8:47am
stephieboy

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Various Right tards what am I missing with your rather puzzling adulation of Mike Hoskings ?
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June 24, 2016 8:50am
Padriv Ustoev

Trying to fire someone for something they said, that is neither slanderous or a lie is bloody Stalinism!

Hoskings did not lie, and did not slander anyone. I don’t particularly like him, but you can’t muzzle people just because they have a different point of view.

Typical left tactics – We’ll ruin your life because we don’t agree with you but you did not do anything illegal.
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June 24, 2016 8:57am
Albert_Ross

Various Right tards what am I missing with your rather puzzling adulation of Mike Hoskings ?

Don’t adulate Mike Hoskings. Don’t even watch him, in fact.

Do, however, adulate the right of free speech, including the right to offend, a right of which you take advantage quite a lot
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June 24, 2016 8:58am
Manolo

@stephieboy: Just in case you missed the news: all the adulation is because Hosking just announced he has converted to Islam. You will be happy.
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June 24, 2016 8:58am
Padriv Ustoev

@stephie

How would you feel if I started a petition to get you fired because you said something about Muslims that I disagree with?
Not illegal, but just disagreeable rubbish, like you do every day?
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June 24, 2016 8:59am
mikenmild

Paulus
The leak was actually from an employee at the State Services Commission.
The whole leak inquiry, conducted at vast expense by the government’s favourite trouble-shooter, Paul Rebstock, was botched from start to finish.
The Ombudsman has rightly issued severe criticism of the inquiry and of the outgoing State Services Commissioner, Iain Rennie, who has another fuck-up to signal the end of his career.
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June 24, 2016 9:01am
Inandout

Stephie has begun his early morning, post prayer, incoherent ramble. A rush of blood to the head while doing his mat tapping is probably the reason.
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June 24, 2016 9:02am
Manolo

A courtier in the court of the corrupt queen:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/23/ex-clinton-official-got-boeing-bucks-while-pushing-iran-nuke-pact-before-25b-jet-deal.html?intcmp=hpbt3
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June 24, 2016 9:02am
Keeping Stock

It’s nothing to do with adulation Stephieboy. The Left HATES Hosking because he says what he thinks, and because his worldview is different to theirs. So they demand that he be silenced. Don’t you think that’s a bit hypocritical given many of the same people begged Mediaworks not to cut John Campbell last year.
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June 24, 2016 9:06am
holysheet

Which stupidboy is on deck this morning?
It’s all about free speech. The lefties at TVNZ cannot stand the truth Mike Hosking speaks at the conclusion of his nightly stint.
It’s a refreshing change to all the other doom and gloom and stupid content they have him host.

Free speech is something you and your clan of fuckwits know nothing about.
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June 24, 2016 9:07am
Keeping Stock

Quite right mikenmild. The leak from from a temporary staff member in the SSC who had very close, proven ties to the Labour Party. Why do you think Labour has fought so hard to keep Goff’s leaker’s name secret?

MFAT leak report ‘colossal waste of money’

8:10 am on 13 December 2013

A report into the leaking of Cabinet papers on the restructuring of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade was a colossal waste of money, Labour’s Phil Goff says.

The State Services Commission asked Paula Rebstock to conduct the inquiry after the Government became outraged at information being leaked to Mr Goff, the party’s foreign affairs spokesperson.
Phil Goff.

The report found that the source was most likely to be a temporary staff member at the State Services Commission, who used to work for the Labour Party, but could only say there were strong suspicions that person was responsible.

The investigation and legal defence cost the State Services Commission $510,000.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/230655/mfat-leak-report-'colossal-waste-of-money‘
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June 24, 2016 9:09am
burt

Keeping Stock

Don’t you think that’s a bit hypocritical given many of the same people begged Mediaworks not to cut John Campbell last year.

It’s different when the left do it !
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June 24, 2016 9:09am
mikenmild

KS
I’m not aware of the Labour Party ‘fighting hard’ on that. It would not be unusual, though, for politicians to want to protect their sources of information.
The current topic though, even if you want to avoid it, is the Ombudsman’s scathing report on this shambolic leak inquiry.
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June 24, 2016 9:11am
igm

Burt: Fortuntely we do not have any union deductions, and if we employ correctly, we never will. National’s problems with gutless attitudes towards employers’ rights seems to go hand in glove with the imbecile Woodhouse, who has been a driving force in party defections.
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June 24, 2016 9:14am
AgentBallSack

Is it just me wondering if stupidboy is losing the plot more lately. Orlando seems to have unhinged him even more than normal. Probably the conflict of being a gay muslim.
Stephie you got your answer from the shooters father. He was just a very naughty boy. Not the Messiah.
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June 24, 2016 9:20am
Keeping Stock

@ mikenmild – I’m certainly not defending Dame Paula or Iain Rennie mikenmild. But fundamental to ANY public service employee’s employment contract is a confidentiality clause.

As for the Labour Party, DPF’s post from 12 December 2013 is worth revisiting. Just how did Person X fund his legal action to the High Court, then the Court of Appeal?

Stuff reports:

More than 18 months since its launch and costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, an inquiry into leaks at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) is set to send ripples through the Wellington bureaucracy.

The report, due for release today, is expected to point the finger at a clerical worker as the main suspect behind a Cabinet document leak.

This is a key piece of information. Labour tried to portray the leaks as coming from disgruntled diplomats who were personally affected by the proposed restructuring. And while it would be wrong for them to leak also, you have more sympathy for a leak if it comes from someone who is personally affected by some propsoed action.

But as far as I know this clerical worker was not affected by the proposals. In fact he didn’t even work for MFAT. So his motivation for leaking was not to fight the proposed restructuring which could affect him. So what was it? Well my guess is that it was pure partisan politics – to help the Labour Party. Because while I don’t know for sure who Person X is, the name that has floated around is that of a former Labour Party parliamentary staffer. Now if this is correct, that means that this leak was indeed all about partisan politics, and nothing to do with MFAT restructuring.

The court challenge, taken by someone known as Person A, is understood to relate to a person who will be named as Person X in today’s report.

Person A has had heavy suppression orders throughout, including around his present and former places of work, but the Court of Appeal allowed news media to report that he was a clerical assistant.

People may wonder how a clerical assistant can afford to fund legal action all the way to the Court of Appeal. Maybe a certain political party helped pay the bills? Could they have even used their parliamentary budget to do so? I don’t know, but a question worth posing to Labour is whether they did, and can they confirm Person X used to work for them?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/12/the_rebstock_report.html

Do you think Phil Goff or Grant Robertson might be able to answer that question? Remember, DPF seldom asks questions which he, as a Wellington-based political insider, doesn’t already know the answer to.
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June 24, 2016 9:27am
Hajji

Scott

I read your excellent article on Tonga you posted the other day.

Fascinating and extremely well penned!

Congratulations.
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June 24, 2016 9:30am
itstricky

The Left HATES Hosking because he says what he thinks, and because his worldview is different to theirs. So they demand that he be silenced.

And all the much vitriol and many demands to can Campbell on here were because the posters here loved his views and really wanted to hear more from him

I esp. like the bit where AC got a bunch of upticks for saying “only lefties whine and sign petitions” and here we are today, upticking the signing of a petition.

LOLz. You guys crack me up. One eyed to the end, us & them, black & white, no shades of grey like the real world.

Happy Friday.
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June 24, 2016 9:32am
Rich Prick

The Left HATES Hosking because he says what he thinks, and because his worldview is different to theirs.

Yet they are the ones who demand peace, love, tolerance and that we embrace diversity. Go figure.
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June 24, 2016 9:35am
mikenmild

KS
Nicce deflection, but wasn’t that all covered at the time – about the SSC staffer and links to the Labour Party? As I said before, it’s not unusual that a political party would want to protect someone who leaked information to it.
The focus now should surely be on the government’s response to this damning report.
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June 24, 2016 9:36am
Keeping Stock

You’re the one who’s deflecting mikenmild. You seem to think that it’s perfectly OK for a public servant with established links to a political party to reproduce Cabinet papers and send them to an Opposition politician, solely for political purposes. That is prima facie an absolute breach of an emplyment cofidentiality agreement; a sacking offence.

If you are indeed a public servant (and I know you value your anonymity with regard to your employment, and I respect that), I find that attitude deeply troubling.

As far as the Ombudsman’s report on Rebstock’s finding goes, it seems his criticism is valid with respect to Persons Y and Z, the MFAT employees. The Ombudsman however did not comment with regard to Person X, the strongly-suspected leaker, so Rebstock’s comments in that regard stand.
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June 24, 2016 9:42am
burt

mikemnild

like KS says;

You’re the one who’s deflecting mikenmild.

Perhaps next time John F##king Keys does something you don’t agree with we can all say … we’ve been over that and the issue is not that he did that but what you did about it….
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June 24, 2016 9:48am
Lance

As I posted the other day

Hosking has good ratings so is a valuable asset for TVNZ
Campbell’s ratings were in the toilet, watched only by his mum and the sisterhood.

Good ratings mean more advertising revenue so people get paid and the lights stay on.

Simple economics

Of course the left are economically illiterate so it’s all a puzzle to them
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June 24, 2016 9:50am
burt

Lance

The leftards would take us back to only 2 TV stations and both being state owned if they had their way. 1 station playing 24/7 union propaganda and the other running 24/7 advertising for the first one. And we’d be paying for that !
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June 24, 2016 9:52am
mikenmild

KS
I don’t think that it is ok for a public servant to leak information, in most cases. People who do so leave themselves open to sanction.
But that is not what the Ombudsman’s report is about. It’s about the country’s most senior public servant, and the government’s preferred fix-it person, making an absolute hash of this leak inquiry. And instead of accepting the criticism, Rennie and McCully seem to be doubling down on their errors.
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June 24, 2016 9:53am
burt

mikenmild

KS
I don’t think that it is ok for a public servant to leak information, ~~in most cases~~ unless it’s a Labour supporting public servant.

There, I think that clarifies your position.
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June 24, 2016 10:02am
waikatogirl

First results from Bretix expected 11am
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June 24, 2016 10:16am
waikatogirl

burt
The leftards would take us back to only 2 TV stations and both being state owned if they had their way. 1 station playing 24/7 union propaganda and the other running 24/7 advertising for the first one. And we’d be paying for that !
***

If you are going to remove those in power of a country everyone knows the first move is to take control of the TV and radio broadcasting.
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June 24, 2016 10:23am
Captain Mainwaring

@waikatogirl 10:23
“If you are going to remove those in power of a country everyone knows the first move is to take control of the media.”

And that’s exactly why the first Labour Government made it illegal for anyone other than the Government to own a radio station. And they used radio to broadcast their propaganda.
And modern Labour still thinks like that.
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June 24, 2016 10:28am
Gabby

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Thought you weren’t into the lying and namecalling, wakkogirl.
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June 24, 2016 10:33am
Don the Kiwi

Gabby.

Run along now and get mummy to give you your bottle and change your nappies – there’s a good little girl.
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June 24, 2016 10:45am
Paulus Gnome

I consider this Trade me listing to be offensive to John Key and urge the reporting to Trade me as being offensive (aside from the usual tossers here who troll full time from the shit standard)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1110342946&ed=true
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June 24, 2016 10:46am
Keeping Stock

Brexit – Gibraltar votes to remain
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June 24, 2016 10:48am
oldpark

Dont dream its over .One world misgovernment wins again. Starting to read like a one horse race. Brexit supporters have taken a beating ,which they will never recover from.
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June 24, 2016 10:58am
AgentBallSack

1085 reasons why closing mental hospitals was a bad idea.
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June 24, 2016 11:06am
James Stephenson

Brexit supporters have taken a beating ,which they will never recover from.

Yeah whatever. Like Nige said, the genie is out of the bottle, and British politics will never be the same again whatever the result is today. UKIP need to turn the 40-50% of the country backing their position into a mood to replace the FPTP voting system for general elections.
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June 24, 2016 11:06am
AgentBallSack

Paulus I dont think it’s that bad. At least its done in blue wool. I don’t find it offensive enough to report.
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June 24, 2016 11:12am
Keeping Stock

Who’s going to watch the Oscar Pistorius interview on Monday night? I don’t think I will, if this is any indication:

Oscar Pistorius has said Reeva Steenkamp would not want him to go back to prison for her murder, in his first television interview since he fatally shot the model three years ago.

The former Paralympian faces 15 years in prison after his manslaughter conviction was upgraded on appeal to murder.

South Africa’s Supreme Court of Appeal ruled last December that the athlete acted “recklessly” by shooting at a locked lavatory door, even if he believed an intruder was inside rather than his girlfriend.

Speaking ahead of his sentencing on July 6, Pistorius – who served 12 months of a five-year prison sentence for manslaughter and is currently under house arrest – said he believed he could better repay his debt to society outside prison.

“I don’t want to go back to jail; I don’t want to have to waste my life sitting there,” he said. “If I was afforded the opportunity of redemption I would like to help the less fortunate like I had in my past.

“I would like to believe that if Reeva could look down upon me that she would want me to live that life.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11662045

If what Pistorius is reported to have said is accurate, it is a final indignity for Reeva Steenkamp and her family. How can he possibly profess to speak for the woman he shot? Did they have a conversation some time where he asked her “If I ever murdered you, would you want me to go to jail?”?

Personally, I believe Pistorius suffers from a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, not unlike Clayton Weatherston. His arrogance, narcissism and lack of any empathy whatsoever for the Steenkamp family sicken me, and I hope he goes down for the maximum time possible.
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June 24, 2016 11:16am
Awww C-mon

@itstricky

“only lefties whine and sign petitions” without going back to check I think you would find that I said, or meant to say, lefties only whine and sign petitions. My inference is that they can manage fuck all else.

If you want an example, Campbell is gone and Hosking is still here….
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June 24, 2016 11:17am
publicwatchdog

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FYI Kiwibloggers :

Statement by Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright
“Road Tolls? NO WAY!”

“Let’s get it right – there is NO SUCH THING as ‘public transport’ in Auckland,” says Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright.

“There are 10 private bus companies, 4 private ferries and a French multi-national operating and managing Auckland trains.”

“What is ‘public’ – is the subsidies these private passenger transport operators are receiving – but there is no transparency or accountability regarding how much is being received by whom.”

“I know – because I have asked.”

“Here is the LGOIMA (Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act) reply from Auckland Transport, dated 7 July 2015:

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/51SCLGE_EVI_51DBHOH_PET66634_1_A494427/9aa813e65f89372033c648c285010dec9ff0b40f

“Here is the evidence in the form of an extensive Privacy Act reply from Auckland Transport, dated 29 October 2015, which confirms that these private passenger transport operators did NOT want to reveal how much public monies they were receiving in the form of SUBSIDIES:

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/51SCLGE_EVI_51DBHOH_PET66634_1_A494428/9b31a5acc867353077952bd23648be429134bbf6

“Here’s a wild idea – how about ‘opening the books’ and ‘cutting out the contractors’, and making ‘public’ transport truly PUBLIC – by bringing ownership, management and operation back ‘in house’, under the not-for-profit, public service model?”

“Why should the public subsidise that which we no longer own, operate or manage?”

“If the private sector are SO ‘efficient’ – why do they need public subsidies?”

“‘Activists – get things done.

As well as carrying out this pivotal investigative research, I have also petitioned Parliament, where I have raised my concerns about Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) – directly, and successfully, with the law-makers.”

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/51DBSCH_SCR69296_1/924613ec7fb831c4e74bd062f73287ac2ceb5081

“Accountability and transparency of Auckland’s council-controlled organisations

The petitioner told us of her concern that the public was unable to have a say on the model of Auckland’s CCOs after the 2009 Auckland “super city” merger.

She stressed that the public is also unable to have a say about the directorship of CCOs or to have any direct say in CCO statements of intent.

She believes that this is because CCOs are not classified as local authorities for the purposes of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002.

The petitioner strongly believes that CCOs need to be more accountable to Auckland ratepayers because a percentage of rates goes towards the operations of CCOs.

She told us that she is defending her “lawful right as a citizen to know where my money is being spent”.

The petitioner questions how the efficiencies and cost-effectiveness of Auckland CCOs is monitored.

She is particularly concerned that information about the financial transactions of CCOs is unclear and difficult for the public to access.

For example, she would prefer that contractor transactions were easily available in a written format for public scrutiny.

The petitioner also asked why Auckland Transport does not provide open access to information about transport subsidies, given that much transport in Auckland is privately operated.

We were also told that Auckland rates have increased to pay for a transport levy.
…”

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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June 24, 2016 11:20am
Fletch

The Dems toughing it out in their “sit in”.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClmYyMMWEAA7bH3.jpg
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June 24, 2016 11:30am
Keeping Stock

Auckland rates have also increased because of the costs incurred by Auckland Council in enforcement action against serial rates defaulters and avoiders; just sayin’…..
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June 24, 2016 11:32am
stigie

Did i hear or read that Penny was going to pay her rates and arrears this week or was i dreaming…???
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June 24, 2016 11:37am
Shawn Herles

California: Two Muslims convicted of trying to aid the Islamic State

““Nader Elhuzayel and Muhanad Badawi were each convicted of conspiracy to aid a foreign terrorist organization, which carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in federal prison.” Very well, but neither will be sentenced to 15 years, and they will serve even less time than they’re sentenced to serve, and then what? Nothing whatsoever will be done in prison to disabuse them of the ideas that landed them there in the first place — that would be “Islamophobic.” So they will likely just return to the jihad after just a few years in prison.”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/california-two-muslims-convicted-of-trying-to-aid-the-islamic-state
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June 24, 2016 11:37am
Shawn Herles

Majority of Americans now favor Trump’s temporary ban on Muslim immigration

“The American people are lied to constantly nowadays about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat, but Paris and San Bernardino and Brussels and Orlando sent a message that comes through loud and clear, despite increasingly desperate government and media attempts to obscure it.”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/majority-of-americans-now-favor-trumps-temporary-ban-on-muslim-immigration
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June 24, 2016 11:39am
Fletch

From Stuff.

Here’s a timeline of when to expect results:

11:30am NZT – Results expected rom Sunderland and Wansworth.
1pm NZT – Westminster, Ealing, and Oxford should be declared by now. People might start calling it here.
3pm NZT – Around half of the results should be in.
4pm NZT – 80 percent of authorities will have declared at this point, and we should know what’s happened.
6pm NZT – The official result should be declared by now, but recounts could spoil that.

Results so far:
Total count with 5/382 authorities announced: 49.5% for Remain | 50.5% for Leave.
Sunderland 61% for Leave.
Newcastle: 50.3% for Remain.
Turnout currently estimated at 69%.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/81405115/live-britain-heads-to-the-polls-to-vote-on-its-eu-membership

Update, looks like remain is ahead again –

That edges Remain back up on the national count – 190,601 for Remain, 170,649 for Leave.

I think it’s going to be up and down all day
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June 24, 2016 11:51am
Fletch

For the Brits – some Clash –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ
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June 24, 2016 11:58am
Fletch

Leave is back on top – Leave is at about at 53% to Remain’s 47%.
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June 24, 2016 12:02pm
publicwatchdog

After my 9 year, one person ‘rates revolt’ – for transparency in the spending of public rates monies on private sector consultants and contractors, this Local Government and Environment Select Committee Report proves these law-makers are listening and agree with me.

..” Conclusion

We would like to thank the OAG for its report on the governance and accountability of CCOs.

The report provided us with useful information that helped us consider Ms Bright’s petition.

We also would like to thank the petitioner for coming down from Auckland to speak to us about her petition.

We agree that ratepayers should be able to easily access information about how public money collected through rates is spent.

We support the petitioner’s plea for transparency and standardisation of the information that Auckland CCOs provide to the public.

…..

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/51DBSCH_SCR69296_1/924613ec7fb831c4e74bd062f73287ac2ceb5081

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
‘Activists’ – get things done.
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June 24, 2016 12:11pm
Johnboy

The select commitee has obviously finally realised just how revolting you are Penny…they could have saved all that time and money by just asking all your friends on KB. 🙂
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June 24, 2016 12:16pm
Rich Prick

After my 9 year, one person ‘rates ~~revolt~~ rort’

Fixed it for ya, you mad woman.
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June 24, 2016 12:18pm
renderer

Penny, you have just about got it right!
After July your 6th court appearance you will be able to sign off
Penny Bright Activists – Get Done.
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June 24, 2016 12:19pm
sooty

Penny. Eleven days to pay your rates! edit spelling
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June 24, 2016 12:21pm
stigie

Oh Gawd, don’t you just love a pat on the back Penny when you are using all the services in Auckland that other decent ratepayers are paying for..?
Well done bludger !~
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June 24, 2016 1:12pm
DJP6-25

James Stephenson 11:06 am. That’s all very well. But even with MMP, and a lot more kippers in parliament; sovreignty as a EU member is a joke.
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June 24, 2016 1:18pm
mikenmild

Actual journal article title:
“Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism”

Results revealed that favorable views of all three Republican candidates were positively related to judging bullshit statements as profound. The smallest correlation was found for Donald Trump. Although we observe a positive association between bullshit and support for the three Democrat candidates, this relationship is both substantively small and statistically insignificant. The general measure of political liberalism/conservatism was also related to judging bullshit statements as profound in that individuals who were more politically conservative had a higher tendency to see profoundness in bullshit statements.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0153419
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June 24, 2016 1:43pm
Johnboy

“Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound”

Is that like saying (when you are not PM/nor even an elected MP) that “You’ll pull the troops out” when/if you are milkey old chap? 🙂
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June 24, 2016 1:57pm
Manolo

A thick ~~tissue~~ blanket of lies from the crooked queen.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/23/clinton-failed-to-hand-over-key-email-to-state-department.html?intcmp=hpbt1
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June 24, 2016 2:02pm
Fletch

The pound has crashed below NZ$2, and retail store ASOS appears to have taken itself offline….lol
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June 24, 2016 2:34pm
thedavincimode

The current topic though, even if you want to avoid it, is the Ombudsman’s scathing report on this shambolic leak inquiry.

As well lubed as you are milky, you can’t slide out of it with the classic pinko herring technique. The topic has actually moved on to the closely related topic of the behaviour of a couple of scumbag civil servants breaching their employment obligations to feed info to the slime-ball goof. But I’ll allow you to come back in on the subject of McCully being a perennial fuckup merchant who should have been given the arse years ago.
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June 24, 2016 3:06pm
Johnboy

My friend minus seems to be MIA today! 🙂
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June 24, 2016 3:09pm
mikenmild

behaviour of a couple of scumbag civil servants breaching their employment obligations to feed info to the slime-ball goof.

No, that’s not what happened at all. The leak was from a staffer at the SSC. The leak inquiry, the Ombudsman has found, was badly conducted and made accusations about Leask that were not supported by any evidence.
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June 24, 2016 3:12pm
Fletch

Pound has dropped to US$1.85, lowest level since 1985. It’s just $1.93 NZD.
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June 24, 2016 3:20pm
AgentBallSack

Hi Penny. How’s the WaterCare case coming along?
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June 24, 2016 3:22pm
rangitoto

Telegraph reporting 51.8% leave, 48.2 Remain with 72.8% of the vote counted. Maybe the majority of Brits aren’t so dumb after all.
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June 24, 2016 3:33pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

this Local Government and Environment Select Committee Report proves these law-makers are listening and agree with me

Once again, unsurprisingly, you’ve overstated your achievement.

I’ll repost my previous comment on this point:

We also would like to thank the petitioner for coming down from Auckland to speak to us about her petition. We agree that ratepayers should be able to easily access information about how public money collected through rates is spent. We support the petitioner’s plea for transparency and standardisation of the information that Auckland CCOs provide to the public.

We note the petitioner’s desire for legislative change, as well as for an inquiry into the cost-effectiveness, transparency, and democratic accountability of Auckland CCOs.

Translation:

1. “We would also like to thank” Penny – whoop-de-doo!
2. “We agree” that information about public spending should be easily accessible (but we’re not doing anything about it).
3. “We support” transparency and information standardisation (but we’re not doing anything about it).
4. “We note” Penny wants legislative change and an inquiry (but we’re not changing legislation and we’re not having an inquiry).

As I went on to say: The report will be added to the bookshelf, along with many other parliamentary reports, and left to gather dust. Good work Penny! Borers and other insects are looking forward to their dinner!
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June 24, 2016 5:47pm
Johnboy

I’ve always worried that David Carters silly little cape will get eaten by moths.

The major worry is will the moths recognise that there is actually a supposedly sentient being hiding underneath it? 🙂
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June 24, 2016 5:53pm
nasska

Anyway Penny…..that’s all water under the bridge.

Speaking of water……better start running that bath so you can smell all sweet at your next High Court hearing. It’ll take a while at the litre per minute Watercare allow you. 🙂
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June 24, 2016 5:55pm
Gabby

Who you calling scumbags, davagimode?
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June 24, 2016 5:57pm
Johnboy

Not being familiar with Auckland practises nasska please tell us they wont put a restricter on her waste pipe.

Folk can only put up with a certain amount of shit! 🙂
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June 24, 2016 6:00pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

better start running that bath so you can smell all sweet at your next High Court hearing

Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes has noted that “the Frank Spencer beret has been replaced by an equally silly Christchurch Wizard pointy hat”, The pointy hat might need a bit of a spring clean too? I’m not sure that a commercial drycleaner would be an option as they require payment for services provided…
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June 24, 2016 6:02pm
mikenmild

Folk can only put up with a certain amount of shit!

And I read in the Hutt News the Wainui coach is talking up their chances of lifting the Jubilee Cup, so that’s enough shit for this week.
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June 24, 2016 6:03pm
nasska

….”The hat might need a bit of a springclean too?”….

Might be just as easy to burn it & skin out a fresh cat Nostra. 🙂
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June 24, 2016 6:05pm
Shawn Herles

LGBT Gun Rights Group Sees Membership Quadruple After Orlando

“Since the Orlando terror attack the LGBT gun rights group Pink Pistols has seen their membership grow from 1,500 to more than 7,000.

The Orlando attack occurred in a gay nightclub and Pink Pistols spokesperson Gwendolyn Patton said, “I’ve been thinking of this as the gay community’s 9/11.”

According to NPR, Pink Pistols has “36 chapters around the country.” Meetings usually include getting together for lunch then going to a shooting range. The Pink Pistols urge members “to get concealed pistol permits and learn how to shoot.””

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/23/pink-pistols-quadruple/
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June 24, 2016 6:14pm
Johnboy

Carrying a big rod has always been respected among the gay community Shawn! 🙂
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June 24, 2016 6:18pm
nasska

….”The Pink Pistols”….

Don’t know what John Wayne would have made of this.

The USA has gone to the dogs since you abandoned them Shawn. 🙂
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June 24, 2016 6:19pm
Manolo

Brexit fallout as Corbyn’s comrades are in total disarray:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3657505/He-s-t-punch-Shock-outburst-senior-Labour-MP-blames-Ed-Miliband-ruining-party.html

As polls closed, calls for Jeremy Corbyn to step down appeared to resurface but Mr Miliband gave his successor his backing.
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June 24, 2016 6:21pm
Nostradamus

Shawn:

Meetings usually include getting together for lunch then going to a shooting range

Golly – you wouldn’t want to be the unpopular person at the lunch table with the worst jokes or the obnoxious personality! And if someone were to be “accidentally” shot, would the “I was still sloshed from my alcoholic lunch” defence be available, I wonder?
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June 24, 2016 6:29pm
MT_Tinman

nasska (16,473 comments) says:
June 24th, 2016 at 6:19 pm

….”The Pink Pistols”….

Don’t know what John Wayne would have made of this.

Marion was the founder member.
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June 24, 2016 8:38pm
nasska

….”Marion was the founder member”….

Mea culpa…..I didn’t do my research.

He was as camp as a row of army tents it seems. 🙂
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June 24, 2016 8:48pm
AgentBallSack

How long until we find out the “1.7 meter tall, mentally disturbed, 18-25 year old” German shooter was Muslim? Or is Mama Merkel deliberately concealing the truth?
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June 24, 2016 8:58pm
Jack5

Do you folk follow Taki in the Spectator (Taki Theodoracopulos, who writes its “High Life” column)?

Here is Taki on a New York Times reviewer and, I guess, the newspaper’s female journos generally:

But if you thought comedy was dead, you obviously haven’t read anything by one Laura Collins-Hughes. Here she is writing about The Taming of the Shrew: ‘The ending, which finds Kate docile at last, is meant to be winsome. But when she gives her final speech, reminding women of their duty to their husbands — it always makes me feel sick. It always makes me cry.’ She then goes on to tell us of her despair about the play and its most toxic line, when Kate exhorts other wives to place their hands below their husbands’ feet.

All I can say is I’d rather fall into the hands of the Islamic State than spend any time with these humourless harridans. It’s a Shakespeare comedy, for Christ’s sake, not a Trump political manifesto.

For the full Taki piece at the Spectator:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/id-rather-spend-time-with-isis-than-those-harridans-at-the-new-york-times/
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