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mikenmild

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I think if you are looking for ‘unhinged hatred’, there are richer pickings from some of the self-professed Christians on this blog.
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June 20, 2016 2:15pm
Griff

ciaron
Sorry I thought that the average persons intelligence on here was good enough to work it out.
In future I will try to be as obvious as possible and take into account the George Carlin quote.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
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June 20, 2016 2:15pm
ciaron

Well Griff, you never can know what someone else will read into what you write 🙂
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June 20, 2016 2:20pm
Jack5

Another wave of faux-Paypal scamsters coming through email today. Asking for Paypal users to update all their details – to the scamster address of course.
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June 20, 2016 2:20pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie’s response to Muslim terrorism: “Let me lick your balls my masters!”

Mikey’s response to Muslim terrorism: “Let me lick your balls my masters!”

Griff’s response to Muslim terrorism: “Aaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!! RightwingXtianZombiemunchers are the real threat! Look, they are hiding behind the trees on my farm right now! Stop talking about Muslims you fools. Who cares about tens of thousands of dead terrorist victims around the world killed by Muslims? It’s a lie to hide the truth that yankyxtrianzombiemunchers r taking over the world! I’m telling you it’s true. If you just looked at the real world like me u would see the rightwingxtianzombies everyhwere too!” * Puff * puff * cough * cough * “Arrrghhhhhhh, LOOK, the rightwingxtrianzombiemunchrs r on KB too!!!! Arrrghhh! Must rant insanely about zombies!!!!”

🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 20, 2016 2:23pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles,

“The bill is the usual fuckwit, do-nothing response of the Liberal Left.”

Can we take it that Omar Mateen was merely using his 2n Amendment protections to casually purchase an assault rifle and Gluck hand gun ?

Lick my balls ? So Jesus and your Pastor does allow you to bear false witness and lie ?
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June 20, 2016 2:26pm
Chuck Bird

I see Don Brash has commented on the Peter Ellis outrage. Only those who are truly stupid can believe he is guilty of the crimes he spent 7 years in jail for. He should not have to depend on a lawyer to donate his time or Givealittle to get justice. Jacinda Ardern is right on this and legel beagle Amy Adams is wrong. Justice should trump process.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/06/on_this_one_i_agree_with_jacinda.html#comment-1733398
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June 20, 2016 2:37pm
Shawn Herles

“Can we take it that Omar Mateen was merely using his 2n Amendment protections to casually purchase an assault rifle and Gluck hand gun ?”

No. He was a Muslim fuckwit abusing the rights given to him by the country his family moved to, so he could murder Americans. And the only reason he was in the country was because multicultural lunatics like you think it adds diveristy and spices things up.

Is 50 dead Americans spicey enough for you stephie?

“Lick my balls ?”

Muslim ball licker. A vulgar but accurate description of dhimmi’s like you and mikey.
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June 20, 2016 2:51pm
Griff

Fap fap fap

Number killed in terrorist attacks in western Europe.

http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015

Hmmm the biggest majority are not by Muslim fanatics .

What about the usa ?

Before the last little massacre it was the right wing Christian nutters winning the death toll since 9/11.

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

Considering you are far more likely to die as a result of a road accident why are you not campaigning to stop all cars Shawnee?

How many have died as a result of the usa war on terror?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/26/body-count-report-reveals-least-13-million-lives-lost-us-led-war-terror

Somewhere between 1.3 and 4 million.
Gee thats why they call it asymmetrical warfare .
We kill a few tens of thousands they kill a hundred or so .
What has been the result of the USA lead war on terror ?
More fuckin terrorists .
We now have three failed states and a couple more heading that way.
The sort of thinking by the likes of third hand fapping is….
lets invade a few more nations ….EH …..lets treat Muslims like third class citizens.

The rational standpoint.
The real war on terror with a hope of a successful outcome should be.
Marginalizing all Muslims is only going to result in more extremism so.
Education especially for the woman.
Bring their living standards up .

Simple stuff that most rational people understand
If you believe in magically regrown hands you are going to have problems with grasping reality.
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June 20, 2016 2:52pm
Manolo

Outrageously unbelievable:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/19/lynch_partial_transcript_of_orlando_911_calls_will_have_references_to_isis_cut_out.html

In an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says that on Monday, the FBI will release edited transcripts of the 911 calls made by the Orlando nightclub shooter to the police during his rampage.

“What we’re not going to do is further proclaim this man’s pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda,” Lynch said. “We are not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance [to the Islamic State].”
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June 20, 2016 3:00pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , turning Christian morality on its has given you permission to lie and defame anyone at will.Atcually Omar Sheetan was among the 50 total .

Heh, heh , heh !

The facts remain he was able to casually walk into a Florida gun store and buy the weapons of his choice thanks to the NRA , the GOP , you and Florida’s lax gun laws.
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June 20, 2016 3:02pm
Manolo

@stephieboy: You are as dhimmi as a dhimmi can get, an individual ready to justify and defend violent Islam until the very end.
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June 20, 2016 3:05pm
Shawn Herles

The reason stephie and mikey do not want to discuss the reality of Muslim crime and violence is political. The reason Griff does not want to is personal.

In the case of the former, the reality of Muslim crime and terrorism directly contradicts the Left’s narrative that the enemy is “evil” white Christians in general, and white Christian Americans in particular. It also contradicts the Left’s narrative that multiculturalism is a positive thing that adds to a country. So we get mikey and stephie talking about gun laws, and Trump, and the GOP, and Westboro Baptist church, and anything else EXCEPT Muslim crime and violence. It’s called a diversion to hide the truth.

In the case of the latter, Griff was for many years used to having KB as his own personal pulpit for the dessemination of his rabid anti-Christian hatred. But the reality is that it was never Christians who were any threat to him, and now and entirely different religion, political ideology and culture has emerged that actually IS a threat, and is taking up a great deal of time and attention in the media and on KB, and Griff, who just wants to indulgle his anti-Christian zombie rants, is beside himself with rage and frustration. So we get these bizzarre and looney tunes claims that Islamic terrorism is a “right wing myth” and when that fails he trots out the “it’s all the same Abrahamic cult” line as an excuse to ignore Islam and rant about Christians again. Reality has not been kind to Griff’s delusions.

In all three cases, ignoring reality is a sign of mental illness.
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June 20, 2016 3:06pm
calendar girl

@ Griff 1:59 and 2:15pm –

Count me in on your customary fusillade of angry abuse. I too thought that you were recounting a personal experience. (Dumb of me, I know.) Or was that impression one that you intended?

Simple use by you of blockquote or quotation marks could have avoided the confusion.
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June 20, 2016 3:11pm
Shawn Herles

Of course, it’s possible I may have Griff wrong. He may honestly believe that the way to defeat Islamic terror is to pretend it does not exist. After all, Griff, who has made it clear that he thinks global warming is the greatest threat to mankind, and must be dealt with, supposedly votes for ACT, the one political party which is deeply skeptical about global warming and has no intention of doing anything about it.

Perhaps Griff has discovered a long lost sequel to Sun Tzu’s ‘The Art of War’ called ‘The Art of War 2: How to lose like a Dumbass.’? 🙂
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June 20, 2016 3:19pm
Griff

Tone trolling lovey?
A passage with a link at the bottom is usually considered sourced from said link.
Is that simple enough for you ?
I habitually look for said link. It is more of an issue for me when people do not attribute their sources .

Oh and it was not anger .
Watch this George Carlin clip he is very good at this thing called humour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
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June 20, 2016 3:27pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles ,

“..It also contradicts the Left’s narrative that multiculturalism is a positive thing that adds to a country…”

Explain how multiculturalism is a negative think that adds nothing to our country ? You can include your mixed Cherokee ancestry it you wish .

Explain also how Muslims are contributing negatively to our and the US’s overall crime rate ?

BTW , were they responsible for Sandy Hook, Roseburg , Chareslton, Aurora, Columbine etc, etc ?
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June 20, 2016 3:37pm
mikenmild

ignoring reality is a sign of mental illness

Yet I’m not the one who believes in invisible pixies and magical spells to regrow severed limbs…
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June 20, 2016 3:44pm
Fletch

Very interesting book/movie called Disinformation, based on intelligence info provided by Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest ranking defector ever to come to the West. He was the head of Romanian intelligence, and in the book/movie he tells how the Soviets spread disinformation in the West. He was there and he saw what happened. Someone has put the entire movie on youtube in two parts.

Pacepa, along with his co-author, historian and law professor Ronald Rychlak, expose some of the most consequential yet largely unknown disinformation campaigns of our lifetime. Here the reader will discover answers to many crucial questions of the modern era: Why, during the last two generations, has so much of the Western world turned against its founding faith, Christianity? Why have radical Islam, jihad and terrorism burst aflame after a long period of apparent quiescence? Why is naked Marxism increasingly manifesting in America and its NATO allies? What really happened to Russia after the Berlin Wall came down? Like the solution to a giant jigsaw puzzle lacking one crucial piece, Disinformation authoritatively provides the missing dimension that makes the chaos of the modern world finally understandable. By its very nature, a disinformation campaign can work only if the seemingly independent Western press accepts intentionally fabricated lies and presents them to the public as truth. Thus, Pacepa and Rychlak also document how the U.S. mainstream media’s enduring sympathy for all things liberal-left has made it vulnerable to–indeed, the prime carrier of–civilization-transforming campaigns of lying, defamation and historical revisionism that turn reality on its head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsdr6A8p43g

“This remarkable book will change the way you look at intelligence, foreign affairs, the press, and much else besides.” — – R. James Woolsey, former Director of Central Intelligence

Well worth having a look at. (ps, if the movie seems to stop a few minutes in, you might have to click just a little bit further along on the timeline)
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June 20, 2016 4:05pm
VicParking

The failing newspapers editorial is at it again.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11659476
Spend more money, but where will it come from.
Parential leave is a good idea. But lets make it for 16 years then nobody will complain, OH SORRY. THAT WILL MEAN WE WILL NEED TO SHORT FUND PHARMAC BY $200m a year or drop DPB payments by $200m a year. No lets cut the police vote or the DHB funding by $200m a year. Or heaven forbid raise taxes.
Better still no hip replacements, I just got mine.
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June 20, 2016 4:09pm
Lucia Maria

Griff,

I’m really pissed and I’m still living in hell. I think a lot of people can relate to my story.

A good confession will make him feel better. My first confession back after more than 20 years was incredible. Afterwards, I was in such an amazing, serene state for days. There’s absolutely nothing like it.
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June 20, 2016 4:25pm
Griff

Pray for me .
I will think for you.
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June 20, 2016 4:32pm
Lucia Maria

Ok then, Griff.
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June 20, 2016 4:41pm
Jack5

The Stephie Islamic troll team again confirms its posts are among the racist that appear on Kiwiblog.

I’m referring to Stephie X’s 3.37 post in which he alludes to a poster’s American Indian heritage. The Stephies have also harassed another poster because he is an ethnic Indonesian, but isn’t a Muslim.

Perhaps Dame Devoid would make the Stephies stand in the naughty corner. Oh, sorry, that’s right, she doesn’t reprimand Left-wingers.

And all these demanding questions from the Stephies – explain X, explain Y. Commands rather than questions.

This style of argument is the result of having your head programmed in a madrassa from a young age.
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June 20, 2016 4:52pm
itstricky

I’m referring to Stephie X’s 3.37 post in which he alludes to a poster’s American Indian heritage

Why is his comment racist?

I know this is another command but please try your hardest to ignore that
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June 20, 2016 5:33pm
Viking2

After returning an English exam paper marked “43%”, a teacher asked her 13-year-old student “did you cheat”? To which the student nodded with a “yes”.

Three years later, that same student was told by that same teacher, after giving a speech the student was rather proud of, that “try as you may, you will never get anything more than 60% because of your accent”.

That teenager was…..

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/82184/nz-initiatives-martine-udahemuka-says-key-parents-be-able-find-out-which-school-and

If teacher effectiveness differs depending on the types of students they teach, imagine if parents could easily find out which teachers and which schools continuously get the best out of children like theirs. A teacher’s effectiveness with students could then be compared with that of other teachers in the same school, and in other schools with similar kinds of students.
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June 20, 2016 5:50pm
Longknives

A comment from a Labour supporter on Andrew Little’s Facebook page-

“The State should take control of all homes unoccupied for more than three months and rent them out to low income, poor and homeless people. If the owners want the use of their houses back they should either have to front up with tenants or move into the homes themselves.”

Holy.Fucking.Shit.
(There goes my Rental property I am renovating..)
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June 20, 2016 5:57pm
Viking2

Expect to see concessions given to allow itinerant labourers in to speed up the building process.(In West Africa they used Chinese convicts.) It is probably happening already – at a recent new build in Mairangi bay the chippies – all Chinese – lived in the house once the first walls went up. On moving day there were about 5-6 decrepit mattresses spewn on the driveway plus half bags of rice and various cooking gear. They were doing their ablutions up against the fence until neighbors complained to the council and they would bang away till midnight until the council again started responding to noise complaints.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/82186/pm-says-govt-looking-creating-urban-development-authorities-allow-developers-build-both
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June 20, 2016 5:57pm
stigie

@Longknives

In good faith, Labour will give you 4 months if you’re renovating..?
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June 20, 2016 6:10pm
Northland Wahine

Awesome Little…just giving yourself more rope..
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June 20, 2016 6:16pm
Happychappy

Paddy Gower have a Labour memberships he did not hold Andrew Little to account back track apology for his lies about John Shewan but gives it to John Key on the Hub six o’clock news for back tracking on sending more troops to Iraq until 2018. I can not understand why the Government Lent TV 3 the money to pull them out of the shit when they become the Government in 2008
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June 20, 2016 6:22pm
Shawn Herles

“mikenmild (22,631 comments) says:
November 17th, 2015 at 10:12 am

WTF Jack? The Ottoman occupation of the Balkans has as much to do with the 1990s atrocities as the Moorish invasion of Spain had to do with the Spanish inquisition. You are try to tar Islam by saying “Look, what bad things were done in history by Muslims”. It has nothing to do with the problem of Islamic terrorism today.
Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 21”

Lick lick mikey…..good little dhimmi.
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June 20, 2016 6:24pm
big bruv

““The State should take control of all homes unoccupied for more than three months and rent them out to low income, poor and homeless people.”

Imagine the state of these places once the low life moved on?
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June 20, 2016 6:24pm
Shawn Herles

“Explain how multiculturalism is a negative think that adds nothing to our country ? You can include your mixed Cherokee ancestry it you wish .”

Sure. You think the Cherokee want shitloads of Muslims living anywhere near their ancestral grounds? Go and ask them. Explain to them how Sharia law would be a good fit with Cherokee traditions. Go on. I dare ya! 🙂
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June 20, 2016 6:26pm
nasska

…..”A teacher’s effectiveness with students could then be compared with that of other teachers in the same school, and in other schools with similar kinds of students.”….

Dream on V2. The cloth capped teacher unions would never allow the good teachers to be identified.

They’re all about protecting the jobs of the useless hacks instead.
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June 20, 2016 6:36pm
Lucia Maria

Viking,

If teacher effectiveness differs depending on the types of students they teach, imagine if parents could easily find out which teachers and which schools continuously get the best out of children like theirs. A teacher’s effectiveness with students could then be compared with that of other teachers in the same school, and in other schools with similar kinds of students.

And then try getting the best teacher to teach your kid, along with everyone elses.

At my son’s college, the kids know which ones are the best teachers. Unfortunately, getting those teachers is just pure luck, and timetables and subject choices severely limit which teacher they get for which subject. For instance, son no. 2 had a fantastic science teacher last year who had a wonderful teaching style that really worked for him. Worked for son no. 1 as well. Both agreed she was fantastic. So, son no. 2 was very happy to get the fantastic science teacher, until at the beginning of term 2, the teacher swapped her class with another teacher and son no. 2 lost her as a science teacher. Couldn’t swap classes to get her back, because then he have to drop one of his subjects and pick up another.

Then there’s son no. 1’s story of fantastic math teacher duo that he had for two terms in Year 11. Doing really well, sailing through, class advancing faster than other classes. Then all of a sudden, math teaching duo get offer from competing school and off they go to another job in another school. Right in the middle of the year. School scrambles to get foreign teacher used to teaching top students and can’t communicate maths to these students who had learned from the teaching duo in a particular way. Most kids struggle from this point and have reduced exam scores at the end of the year because of disruption.

Which goes to show, you can get lucky and get a great teacher, but you can’t make the teacher stay put.
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June 20, 2016 6:36pm
Shawn Herles

“Explain how multiculturalism is a negative think that adds nothing to our country ?”

Like this….?

Idaho: Muslim migrants hold knife to throat of little girl, rape her, urinate on her

“Now what we have been seeing in Europe is coming to the United States, courtesy of Obama’s policies regarding Muslim migrants.”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/idaho-muslim-migrants-hold-knife-to-throat-of-little-girl-rape-her-urinate-on-her

Or this…?

UK: 100 Muslims preyed on one vulnerable schoolgirl for two years

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/uk-100-muslims-preyed-on-one-vulnerable-schoolgirl-for-two-years

Or the British Muslim sex slave rings protected by the Police and Leftist politicians? Or the Cologne sexual assualts? Or the thousands of other examples of Muslim crime, cultural jihad and terror in the West alone over the last few years?

Or the 50 dead Americans (gay Americans remember stephie, your supposed to be PC about that) killed recently?

Does any of this look like added value to you stephie?
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June 20, 2016 6:43pm
nasska

Shawn

I’m quite happy to sacrifice the wonderful dividend cultural diversity brings us…..not that I can think of any from the ME other than kebabs made by some weirdo who wipes his arse sans toilet paper. On reflection, the absence of a guaranteed form of food poisoning is a small price to pay not to have bombs going off at random.

What, however, are your views on the useless Yanks meddling in ME affairs. Do you agree that they should get the hell out of the area & leave the inhabitants to get on with murdering each other as they have done for centuries?
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June 20, 2016 6:52pm
Reid

‘Saber-rattling & warmongering’: German FM blasts NATO military drills in Eastern Europe

Sharply criticizing NATO war games in Eastern Europe, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told Bild am Sonntag newspaper that inflaming the standoff with Russia would endanger European security and increase risk of reviving an “old confrontation.”

The ongoing large-scale Anakonda-16 NATO military maneuvers in Poland, simulating the repulsion of “Russian aggression” against the country, are counterproductive, Deutsche Welle cited German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier as telling Bild am Sonntag newspaper, in an interview to be published Sunday.

“Whoever believes that a symbolic tank parade on the alliance’s eastern border will bring security is mistaken,” Steinmeier said ahead of the upcoming NATO summit in Warsaw beginning July 8. “We are well-advised to not create pretexts to renew an old confrontation,” he emphasized.

Rather than inflaming the situation further “through saber-rattling and warmongering,” there ought to be more space for dialogue and cooperation with Moscow, Steinmeier said.

It would be “fatal to now narrow the focus to the military, and seek a remedy solely through a policy of deterrence,” German FM said, calling to give way to diplomacy instead of military posturing.

Calling for dialogue and a diplomatic approach, Steinmeier also mentioned the necessity of maintaining military preparedness of NATO.

The alliance should also consider the possibility to “renew discussions about the benefits of disarmament and arms control for security in Europe,” he said…

https://www.rt.com/news/347258-steinmeier-nato-drills-warmongering/
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June 20, 2016 7:00pm
Jack5

Viking2 at 5.57 quotes the “NZ Initiative”.

The NZ Initiative describes itself as a Think Tank, but its very much aligned with big business, or the NZ version of big business. The board comprises chiefly big-shot business folk — bankers, accountants, lawyers.

Very much in favour of big intake of refugees. It has recommended the Government allow private groups to bring in refugees, as in Canada. This allows Canadian companies, or any group of at least five Canadian adult citizens to sponsor a refugee. So in effect it takes refugee numbers out of the full control of the nation’s government. To hell with that.

How do prog’s like NZ Initiative expect the West to cope with the 50 million refugees seeking a new homeland – that’s the number the UN is talking about?

http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/2014/6/53a155bc6/world-refugee-day-global-forced-displacement-tops-50-million-first-time.html
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June 20, 2016 7:01pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

LOL.

Germany should really give up their NATO bases and American troops if they don’t want to be inflaming Russia.

Thanks for halting a bubbling rant on NCEA maths.
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June 20, 2016 7:06pm
Jack5

Re Viking2 at 5.52 on Chinese chippies.

Sorry to springboard off a second of your posts, Viking 2.

Less than three decades ago, when NZ was pioneering in China with a big brewery (now owned by the Japanese who own the big NZ brewery), cement works, and other plants, New Zealand expatriates there were complaining about the dearth of tradesmen in China.

Since then, NZ has reversed the position. First, by poor treatment of trade apprenticeships and by schools pushing kids into university-required careers that entail huge student debt and few job opportunities. Second by a liberal attitude to importing skilled workers. The result is unemployment of too many of our own young people and the dismissal of them as lazy by business people and farmers who want low-wage imported labour.

Bringing the Auckland housing bubble into the question makes you wonder whether Big Business is going to use this as an excuse to flood the country with cheap Asian labour.
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June 20, 2016 7:08pm
Jack5

Re Lucia Maria at 7.06 on Germany and Nato.

Perhaps your beloved Poland is safer with Germany in Nato than with Germany outside it.

You wouldn’t want the Germans knocking on Warsaw’s door and demanding back Silesia, Pomerania, east Brandenberg, and the part of East Prussia not grabbed by the Soviet Union.
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June 20, 2016 7:16pm
Lucia Maria

Jack,

Perhaps your beloved Poland is safer with Germany in Nato than with Germany outside it.

I never meant that Germany should leave NATO, just that they should give up their bases and American troops. Maybe move the permanent bases further east instead.
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June 20, 2016 7:32pm
Viking2

hen there’s son no. 1’s story of fantastic math teacher duo that he had for two terms in Year 11. Doing really well, sailing through, class advancing faster than other classes. Then all of a sudden, math teaching duo get offer from competing school and off they go to another job in another school. Right in the middle of the year.

……………………………………
Good case for fixed term contracts then.
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Dream on V2. The cloth capped teacher unions would never allow the good teachers to be identified.

Actually the power is in the Govt.’s hands. They already hold that info. Be dammed and publish it.
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True current story. My grand daughter was not getting along well at her High School. First Year. Transferred to another school and is getting merits and all.
Old school same headmistress forever and ever and for the one before as well. Girls school vs coed at the new one. Oddly enough the local Boys high is just as bad as the girls school.

Head Masters and all should be moved on every 5-6 years.
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June 20, 2016 7:37pm
Viking2

Jack5 (9,066 comments) says:
June 20th, 2016 at 7:08 pm

yep couldn’t agree more. That and removing youth rates, boys not getting to work with men and then failing. Ending up in goal instead of being useful citizens.
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June 20, 2016 7:39pm
Rachael Membery

So, about those window washers getting tax free income on top of their benefit. Aren’t they meant to be looking for a job? if they have one due to their window washing shouldn’t their benefits cease and tax be paid. If it is illegal and a public nuisance (a given) the police should be protecting the public. If the police would rather they knew where they are, legalize the enterprise. How many health and safety edicts are being broken by this ‘enterprise’, how many window washers are there ‘working’ in Auckland? How many times does a person need their windscreen ‘washed’?
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June 20, 2016 7:46pm
Viking2

Sydney’s light rail shut down on Monday as tram workers went on strike over concerns about safety and unfair shift changes.

The service will sit dormant for 24 hours between midnight on Sunday and midnight on Monday.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/light-rail-shutdown-as-workers-strike-over-safety-concerns-20160618-gpm8ex.html
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Elections close so in Aussie the Unions flex their muscle at the expense of the paying commuters.

Less likely here.
If only we had finished the job off.

Privatize Education.
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June 20, 2016 7:59pm
Reid

Reid,

LOL.

Germany should really give up their NATO bases and American troops if they don’t want to be inflaming Russia.

Yes Lucia.

The silly ole German Foreign Minister surely knows nothing about geopoitics compared to you, does he.

The Pharisees have convicted your mind my sister.

You know the remedy.

Blessings.
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June 20, 2016 8:07pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

The silly ole German Foreign Minister surely knows nothing about geopoitics compared to you, does he.

Oh, I’m sure he knows quite a bit. Probably better at sucking up to the Russians than me, as well.

It is a little hypocritical of him though, after years of protection from Russia by NATO and the Americans, that he doesn’t want to extend the same protection to a country his country ravaged decades ago, and left for the Soviets. Where’s that famed German war-guilt when you need it?
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June 20, 2016 8:52pm
mikenmild

Reid seems to have developed a sudden respect for the geopolitical insight of Western foreign ministers. Can we expect him to be quoting John Kerry and Philip Hammond next?
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June 20, 2016 9:03pm
Reid

Educate yourself Lucia. Here’s a good start.

http://thesaker.is/the-duran-interviews-the-saker-the-world-according-to-the-saker-video/

Not that you’ll listen to it. Pharisees can’t handle the truth.

Reid seems to have developed a sudden respect for the geopolitical insight of Western foreign ministers.

When a clock’s right it’s right mm.

Maybe you or stupidboy will be right someday as well. I’m not hopeful, but if it ever happens, I’ll quote you, as well.

Unlike you, my truth does not vary according to whether or not it suits my ideology. I regard such positions as being either vacuous aka stupidboy or disengenous aka slimy.

It’s called integrity.

I know it’s a stranger.
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June 20, 2016 9:08pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Your link goes to a page which has in it’s banner the quote, “Stop the empire’s war on Russia”.

Just so we are clear, which empire has invaded Russia?
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June 20, 2016 9:24pm
Reid

Lucia, told you Pharisees can’t listen to the truth.

Shame really, but nothing’s changed.

Perhaps you should read the Bible.
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June 20, 2016 9:34pm
Reid

Because it has a passage with which you’re clearly not familiar:

John 8:32
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June 20, 2016 9:50pm
Peter Lewis

By now, we should all realize that we have a major crisis on our hands. Every day the media report harrowing stories of families who are suffering. Mothers and their ragged children look out at us from our television screens and newspaper pages with hollow eyes and pale, drawn faces. Social workers tell us heartbreaking stories and beg for more resources. Each evening news features John Campbell and Andrew Little with tears in their eyes as they recount the latest tales of poverty and want.

It is not enough, we are told, to leave this tragedy to be resolved by market forces. The politicians must take immediate action. John Key and Bill English can no longer shelter behind their uncaring lack of empathy for the needy and duck away by foisting the blame on local council regulations. We pride ourselves in being a first world country, and it is a disgrace that many of our people are living in such deprivation.

I am, of course, referring to the supply and distribution of food in this country.

Do you realize that there are many people making substantial profits out of the food industry? Even worse, some of them not even New Zealand citizens! Surely, in a country like ours, this should not be permitted. Something, indeed, should be done. Why just the other day I bought an apple at a local shop and I’m absolutely sure that the shopkeeper was a Chan or a Singh.

We also hear that there are a large number of people who set themselves up in business running supermarkets, coffee shops, butchers, delicatessens and fruiterers with the absolute intention of making a profit out of this activity. How dare they take advantage of the public like this. The right to food is implicit within our society, Shocking! Graeme Wheeler, have you ordered a case study on the advantages of restricting the finance that a bank can be allowed to offer to an asian national who sets out to buy a fruit and vege shop in Remuera? That sort of restriction can’t be bad, and may well reduce the rate of price inflation on such places for, um, a few days.

Having borrowed the money to establish their food business these people then compete with ordinary hard-working kiwis when they get their supplies. It is scandalous that they are allowed to deduct the cost of buying their potatoes, their cabbages and their bananas off their tax bill whereas you and I cannot do that when we buy our own families groceries. Unfair competition in the market. Not only that, but when they pay their rent, their power bill and their insurance they can also claim those costs as a tax deduction. You and I, sitting at home, cannot do that. How can we compete? We are disadvantaged. Mr Little, Mr Twyford, please come to our rescue. It is so unfair. This loophole in the law must be closed.

Even worse, when these people have built up their business on the basis of all these tax-free perks and they come to sell out at a substantial capital gain, that capital gain is completely tax free! They walk away with many thousands of dollars, all unearned, and do not pay a single cent in tax. How dare they. Tax the bastards till their eyes water and their toenails ache I say.

The Government must step in right now and do something to relieve this tragedy. We can’t just leave it to the market. At the very least they should set up Government stores where affordable food would be available to those in need. A catchy name for these places would be great – Great Union Markets sounds about right, and GUM would be an interesting acronym, reminiscent of those Soviet Russia food stores of the 1950s who had the worthy aim of “democratizing consumption for workers and peasants nationwide”. Equal lack of choice for all.

Some people argue, and say that the Government has no business to be in the food business. I disagree. We have many reports from university academics and top public servants saying that this is the way to go. Sure, these people have all spent their entire working lives sheltered on a secure and protected government funded salary, but they have read plenty of books and have lots of letters after their names so they must know what is the right thing to do.

We then need to set up an affordability benchmark, your weekly food bill should be no more than ten per cent of your weekly income. Any subsidy that might be needed to achieve this could easily be raised by imposing a fair tax on private food suppliers. Sure, what you and I might consider to be a fair tax may well be regarded by them as a punishing imposition, but the Green Party says that our view of what is fair is what counts and anyway we all know that when we levy a tax on anything it always brings the price down, don’t we?

Should we then allow anybody and everybody to shop at GUM? Of course not. The self employed, the thrifty and the hard-working are all undesirables and should be barred from access. We don’t want to encourage such bad behavior. My suggestion is that there should be a statutory means test, and legislation passed that those who fail the test should have to shop only in the private markets. Naturally, if such legislation is enacted, everybody will obey that law just like they already obey laws like those against using cell phones in cars. We are, after all, a thoroughly law-abiding society.

Of course, if we look at history, every single attempt to control a market, regulate supply, impose price controls and subsidize everything and everybody has always inevitably lead to failure, shortages, corruption, disaster and eventual collapse. But we are different. From Vogel to Muldoon, we have long history of trying to outfox the market. Admittedly that has never worked in the past. Regulations have always begat more regulations. Subsidies have always become more complex and byzantine. The market has always won in the end. But it might just possibly work next time. Surely we should give it a go.
After all, King Canute was not a Kiwi.
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June 20, 2016 10:30pm
Manolo

How weaker can the current US administration be?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/20/doj-releases-redacted-orlando-gunmans-911-calls.html?intcmp=hpbt3

House Speaker Paul Ryan called on the Obama administration Monday to “release the full, unredacted transcript” of the Orlando massacre gunman’s 911 calls, slamming the Justice Department’s censoring of all references to Islam as “preposterous.”

“I pledge allegiance to [omitted] may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of [omitted],” Mateen told the dispatcher.

Assistant Special Agent in Charge Ron Hopper defended the deletions.
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