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Hajji

New Zealand Labour and Green Parties:

“In order to libewate the oppwessed we must use the Law and the Media to oppwess the oppwessows.” – Hajji 2016
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June 1, 2016 8:43am
EAD

The hypocrisy knows no bounds:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/31/french-jews-flee-paris-suburbs-rising-anti-semitism/

They spend all the time kvetching about “France not being safe for the Jews” due to Islamic immigration yet have spent the last 50 years working assiduously to bring those same Muslims into France (in fact all Western nations)!!

I mean, just look at recent headlines from France as Jews do all they can to keep the 3rd world invasion coming whilst ensuring the French people don’t vote for the only party that might put a stop to the invasion.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/320814/french-jews-plan-coordinated-push-to-help-syrian-refugees/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/08/french-jews-urged-vote-front-national-despite-rise-anti-semitic-islamism/

Several of the top rated comments cheered me up as people start to put 2 and 2 together:

– “No sympathy. Jews are getting what they wanted to happen to others. The whole Multiculturalism Cultural Marxism project was the creation of Jewish Marxists. Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, Sontag, Fromm, Constant, ..Erase borders, interbreed races, destroy families, rewrite history, undermine, subvert, infiltrate. …and collapse Western nations from within.”

– “I think it is very sad what is happening. The tearing apart of British and European indigenous communities through 20 years of invasion. Our governments have failed us totally. But what is particularly shameful is that Governments in the UK, in Europe and the US have been relentlessly lobbied by powerful political forces and wealthy agitators to open our borders and swamp our countries with aggressive and hateful muslim supermicists.

Who are these forces and agitators? The world Jewish Congress, George Soros, US Necons and the broad spectrum of Zionist lobby groups who control the media, much of Government and most of the finance and commerce throughout the West. Surprising is it not? That the Zionists lobby for mass muslim migration and open borders in the West. They say it is in the interests of Jews. Really? Tell that to Alain Benhamou.”

– “well, I wonder what the conversation is like between these good people and their “leaders” in the European Jewish Congress, not to mention Peter Sutherland and George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spector and all the other Jewish NGO’s and organisations that have (and continue to) advocate most fiercely for open borders and mass immigration. I am genuinely sorry for these families but their plight is the plight of all Europeans and it must be said that their co-religionists are playing a huge part in bringing about the very events that these Parisians seemingly deplore”

– Once they move back to Israel, will they be continually agitating “to achieve social and ethnic integration in all neighbourhoods.” or no? Yeah….I think everyone knows the answer to that question”

Quote 3 (in bold) sums up reality perfectly. I await the faux outrage at free speech being used to highlight the facts…..
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June 1, 2016 8:45am
Keeping Stock

DEATH NOTICES:

NEW ZEALAND LABOUR PARTY – Born 7 July 1916; died 31 May 2016, aged 99 years

The New Zealand Labour Party passed away without a whimper yesterday. Once proudly representative of the working man, the NZLP took ill in 2008, and after a long illness, passed in to socialist glory. Dearly loved by Helen, Mike, Geoffrey, the late David, the late Wallace (Bill), the late Norman, the late Arnold, the late Walter, the late Harry and the late Michael Joseph Savage.

A private cremation (Green, of course) will be held, but in lieu of flowers donations of $2 can be made to the Andrew Little Benevolent Society, c/- Fraser House, Wellington.

The people’s flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts’ blood dyed its every fold.
So raise the scarlet standard high,
Beneath its shade we’ll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.
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June 1, 2016 8:49am
oldpark

Liebour/Green “MOU” agreement. Complete confusion for Liebour Party voters. They can’t be serious,to be led by the trade union installed complete Flop, Angry Andy Little, who operates these days in the margin of error. The other suspect from the Greens, once from the joke party mcgullyserious ,Materialistic Turei, wonder will the cabal be known as the “funny hahaha parties”, under Angry Andy Little, or will it be the “funny peculiar parties” under Materialistic Turei ,known as ME-TU.
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June 1, 2016 8:52am
dave_c_

I had to smile at something I saw yesterday.

There was a photo of a white female, captioned with ” We should treat any Muslim immigrants the same way they would treat any christians emmigrating to their country”
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June 1, 2016 8:55am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/80607620/air-new-zealand-offers-apology-to-wellington-saints-chairman-justin-toebes-over-distressing-experience

C’mon it is not AirNZ’s job to know that some people are very tall and need special seating arrangements. They don’t have ESP.

I’m very slightly shorter. Yup airline seating can sometimes be a hassle, but nothing to piss and moan in the media about.
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June 1, 2016 8:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has it taken Labour 50 years to realise those Values and Green folks might have had one or two ideas worth embracing?
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June 1, 2016 8:59am
Stars And Stripes

Tobacco scenes on screen should carry R-rating, say researchers
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/80602808/tobacco-scenes-on-screen-should-carry-rrating-say-researchers

Look out everyone the thought police have put things into top gear and are coming for you and all your bad habits.
Some other things on TV which they could R rate while they are in the mood:
1.Driving cars in a fast dangerous manner(movies are really bad for this)
2.Drinking soft drink
3.Eating any food which is non vegetarian or organic
4.Any scenes generally showing people enjoying themselves
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June 1, 2016 9:04am
billmurray

Andrew Little will go down in political history, he has thrown the towel in and sold out to the Greens, he has abdicated his duty to Labour and the unions to Green anti-industrial and worker personages Metiria Turei and James Shaw, the leaders of the Green Party.
I understand they can’t believe their luck and both are going to buy lotto tickets to celebrate.

TRAITOR.
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June 1, 2016 9:06am
SGA

Stars And Stripes at 9:04 am

1.Driving cars in a fast dangerous manner(movies are really bad for this)

Nah – movies are really good at that 🙂
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June 1, 2016 9:07am
cmm

@EAD: There does seem to be a Jewish self-destructive streak when outside Israel.

In Israel, they’re very much pro defence, but everywhere else there seems to be a high correlation between Jewishness and leftie multi-multiculturalism.

Organisations like http://www.jewsagainstislamophobia.org/.

For a mind-bending read, try reading: http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/68082/so-what-did-muslims-do-jews A pro Jewish publication makes the case that Islam saved Jews by persecuting them and thus triggering a Jewish revival. That was written 4 years ago. I wonder if he’d say the same now.
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June 1, 2016 9:11am
oldpark

Then there is the Wellington City Council infested with Liebour/Green pests. They seem to have turned the council into a bunch of country bumpkins. Latest brain wave from the Wade-Brown/Justin Lester stagnating council. A $50 fine to grieving families should they be late for cremation or a burial. It is the same mentality, when the Basin Reserve Flyover was declined, a complete disaster, yet given the happy clappy thumbs up by peanut brain thinking Liebour/Green councillors,leading the charge Wade-Brown ,Justin Lester, and to throw in for good impact, a guy called Grant Robertson,from the Liebour Party, a joke, self styled finance mouthpiece,given the chance, will also repeat the stagnation ,that is Wellingtons demise, and confusion,by hopeless Green/Liebour councillors.
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June 1, 2016 9:12am
RF

I can just imagine the reaction to the MOU from unemployed West Coasters out of work because of Green policies. Those good people who by tradition are Labour members will be spewing into their beer.

Congratulations Angry, you have just stabbed your members in the back.
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June 1, 2016 9:13am
Happychappy

Great example of the Greens with the obese mare and co Leader of her party strut next to Andrew Little to the Press conference,anyone that did not know would have thought it was in victory.This hypocrites won’t find it so funny when Labour shaft them if it their need to have NZ First.Little has only one interest and this so called deal is part of his game to be PrimeMinister and trust with Labour and Little is word seldom used
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June 1, 2016 9:15am
cas

We wouldn’t have a “housing crisis” if all those people who voted Labour and the Greens took one homeless family in or let them stay in their holiday homes.
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June 1, 2016 9:19am
fernglas

The hilarious thing about housing is all the lefties saying the shortage of homes has come about because National has sold State houses. Of course, the housing stock is not depleted by sale of a house, so how could that possibly be?
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June 1, 2016 9:27am
dave_c_

RIP Freedom of speech :

Once again, the terror attacks of Muslims which the EU let in with open arms are being used to restrict the freedoms of the right.

Read more: whatreallyhappened.com http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz4AGtV8wml
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June 1, 2016 9:33am
Stars And Stripes

Homelessness: ‘The church needs to step up’
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/305318/homelessness-'the-church-needs-to-step-up‘

How about the homeless themselves stepping up instead.
Give up the smokes, booze, drugs and the mass breeding programs they indulge in and maybe they would be able to afford a house.
Works for the rest of New Zealand.
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June 1, 2016 9:41am
Hugh Pavletich

Will We Never Learn? The Economic Lessons From Venezuela’s Current Collapse | Zero Hedge

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-30/will-we-never-learn-economic-lessons-venezuelas-current-collapse

Shops are being looted as Venezuela’s citizens, who live on top of the world’s largest oil reserves, are literally starving and dying for lack of food and medicine; all while the country’s gold reserves are being sold to finance its debt. With 1.8 million signatures on a petition for a referendum on Nicolas Maduro’s presidency, the country is threatening to become a failed state. So what should the world learn from the country’s descent into misery? In short, Venezuela is the poster child of the perils of rejecting economic fundamentals. … read more via hyperlink above …

… in contrast … across the Gulf of Mexico in Houston … as reported recently by Governing magazine …

Be Nice, It May Help Your City’s Economy … Scott Beyer … Governing com

http://www.governing.com/columns/urban-notebook/gov-economy-friendly-cities.html

… and as economist Friedrich Hayek explained, market pricing must always be respected ( something Neanderthal local government planners are deliberately clueless about … of course) …

THE LIFE & THOUGHT OF FRIEDRICH HAYEK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU8rQnKN_uo
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June 1, 2016 9:46am
DifferentPerspective

This is a really happy day for anyone of the Centre Right. Today we wake up in a new world free from the threat of a Labour-Green government in 2017.

Yes, yes – I know – it was pretty much in the bag anyway. But the MOO! between the natlon’s two marxist parties has sealed the victory.

It is really, really hard to fathom the depth of political immaturity of Labour and Greens. Do they honestly believe the autistic logic that if they stand-down either a Green or a Labour candidate in electorates that they’ll yield 100% of the stood-down candidate’s votes? In the Twitosphere life may be like that – but here on planet Earth things just ain’t that simple.

As mentioned above …

RF (2,246 comments) says:
June 1st, 2016 at 9:13 am
I can just imagine the reaction to the MOU from unemployed West Coasters out of work because of Green policies. Those good people who by tradition are Labour members will be spewing into their beer.

Congratulations Angry, you have just stabbed your members in the back.

Nice one RF!

.. there are many situations where Green and Labour views can be exclusive leading to votes drifting to NZ First or National or the racists in the Maori Party. This is going to boost National and NZ First party votes from what they would’ve been in 2017 (NB not from 2014 – National is fated to lose a couple of % in 2017).

As always, Labour and the Greens, are condescending in their views of the voters. They just assume that voters will do exactly as they want them to – and that hasn’t worked as a strategy in the past decade.

It seems that they have only one real policy – and that is “change the government”. We, the electorate, want a little more substance than that. We want assurance that Government isn’t going to go on a crazy tax and spend binge. We want assurances that the economy is not going to be broken. We want assurances that the welfare spend isn’t going to go ballistic. We want to know we can still trade with the rest of the world. We want to know that we’re not going to be overrun with muslim terrorists.

Regime change may be enough for a marxist – but for the majority of NZers (who are basically a lot saner) – we want to know what we’re voting for! This MOU documents a guaranteed form of uncertainty – and electorates do not vote for uncertainty!

Thank you Andrew and thank you Metiria – you just saved us from you!
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June 1, 2016 9:50am
dave_c_

Indeed Hugh – And a dozen eggs there are selling at USD$150 !

Coming to a place near you soon !
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June 1, 2016 9:51am
Hugh Pavletich

THE EXPECTED AUCKLAND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONSENT FIASCO …

New dwelling consents issued in Auckland take a dive ramping up pressure on the region’s over-stretched housing market | interest.co.nz

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/81866/new-dwelling-consents-issued-auckland-take-dive-ramping-pressure-regions-over

Auckland’s housing crisis got a whole lot worse in April, with consents for just 699 new dwelling issued in the region, down from 788 in March, 787 in February and 912 in April last year. … read more vida hyperlink above …

PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEYS CONSISTENT POOR JUDGEMENT ON HOUSING ISSUES …

… reminds one very much of the Freddie Mercury song …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRjFWDGs1g

It sure seems the recent Newshub / Reid Research Poll, wand an unprecedented 76% ‘disapproval’ with the pace of the Governments performance on restoring housing affordability, is saying the same thing.

John Key needs to have it explained to him what Allister Heath of the UK Telegraph had to say on these issues late last year …

The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html

I noted John Keys extremely poor judgement back late 2012 … soon after the major Government announcement at the time …

Housing: Mr Key – Get on the Programme | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1212/S00041/housing-mr-key-get-on-the-programme.htm
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June 1, 2016 9:51am
Kimbo

@ RF

I can just imagine the reaction to the MOU from unemployed West Coasters out of work because of Green policies. Those good people who by tradition are Labour members will be spewing into their beer.

Yep. And their city-cousins, ‘Waitakere Man’ ain’t gonna be happy either. Labour’s predicament reminds me of the complaint of the German High Command during the Great War that having the Austro-Hungarians as allies was like being shackled to a corpse.
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June 1, 2016 9:56am
Keeping Stock

@ RF – the irony with Labour’s disconnect with the West Coast is especially rich this year, given that in just five weeks’ time Labour should have been celebrating the birth of the party at Blackball 100 years ago. Now Labour is shackled to the anti-logging, anti-mining, anti-farming, anti-jobs and anti-wealth party.

Probably the only thing that connects the Greens to the West Coast is electric puha 😀
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June 1, 2016 9:56am
Happychappy

Hugh if this is what old age does to you I might have to give up posting as it looks like hate has consumed you
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June 1, 2016 9:57am
Hugh Pavletich

NZ humiliates ‘Straya in realty dirty money crack-down – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2016/06/nz-humiliates-straya-in-realty-dirty-money-crack-down/

By Leith van Onselen

New Zealand’s policy makers continue to put Australia’s to shame.

While the second tranche of anti-money laundering (AML) regulations capturing real estate agents, accountants, lawyers, and other non-financial businesses have remained in limbo in Australia since we first agreed to implement them in 2003, and have since been delayed indefinitely by the Australian Government, New Zealand has announced that it will implement such rules by mid-2017. From Interest.co.nz: … read more via hyperlink above …
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June 1, 2016 10:07am
Keeping Stock

A dose of grudging respect to Sonny Bill Williams. He could easily have buggered off back to league or to a club rugby contract in the Northern Hemisphere and made truckloads of cash, but he has thrown his lot in with New Zealand rugby, the Blues and Tana Umaga, who he clearly respects. Good on him.
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June 1, 2016 10:13am
mikenmild

Indeed, KS, because no one on the West Coast is at all interested in conservation, or the economic opportunities that flow from it. Your stereotypical West Coaster is still a miner or forestry worker.
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June 1, 2016 10:16am
Happychappy

@ Keeping Stock
But like John Key the haters will be on social media with their jealous raves and hate posts.
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June 1, 2016 10:19am
Jack5

Dalai Lama says too many refugees are going to Europe.

This is more evidence that Merkel is mad. The Muslim invasion benefits only Islam and the Far Right political forces that are rising in reaction.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/80612886/the-dalai-lama-apparently-says-too-many-refugees-are-going-to-europe
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June 1, 2016 10:29am
Happychappy

Great post from a fisherman on whale well worth the read
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June 1, 2016 10:30am
mikenmild

I see Donald Trump has secured the coveted endorsement of Kim Jong-un:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/31/north-korea-praises-trump-and-urges-us-voters-to-reject-dull-hillary
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June 1, 2016 10:31am
Jack5

Re Keeping Stock at 10.13 and his comment about Sonny Bill Williams: ” (SBW) … could easily have buggered off back to league or to a club rugby contract in the Northern Hemisphere and made truckloads of cash.”

Far, far less publicity and bugger all ego stroking in that.
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June 1, 2016 10:31am
Nigel Kearney

it looks like hate has consumed you

A strange reaction to someone merely saying the Prime Minister has shown poor judgment on housing.

It was poor judgment to establish the super city in the first place. It was poor judgment to not significantly reform the RMA. It was extremely poor judgment to allow councils to artificially maintain scarcity of land for seven and a half years (and counting) to the point where, sadly and embarrassingly, the government’s position is now to the left of Labour.
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June 1, 2016 10:32am
dave_c_

When will NZ do something serious about inferior product being used by contractors (who suck at the teet of our taxes)

Steel from China set to be used on bridges on the Huntly bypass failed to meet standards.

The contractor now has to replace said steel with more compliant stuff at their cost (according to the news) – yer right – That cost will be passed on in some form or another !
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June 1, 2016 10:35am
Stars And Stripes

MM – “Indeed, KS, because no one on the West Coast is at all interested in conservation, or the economic opportunities that flow from it.”

The people you are talking about MM are not real coasters as they are just the smelly unwashed hippy sort from the cities squatting in miserable shacks and out of reach of the nasty WINZ man trying to find them work.
But not too far mind you as they still manage to draw their benefit okay.
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June 1, 2016 10:37am
Jack5

Re Maggy Wassilieff at 8.59 on what Labour might pick up from the Greens.

Maggy, that was worthwhile reading, amid the early unloading in the thread from the National Party PR honchos before they get down to work.
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June 1, 2016 10:38am
Happychappy

@Nigel Kearny/ Yes but when you cut and paste the same article two or three times,i post about Andrew Little but it is my view and other poster tell me at i am bad at what I write but that’s life.So in my opinion he is consumed by hate like many others view of John Key
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June 1, 2016 10:44am
VicParking

Political Maths 101.
Is there an electorate that the formula (Labour + Greens) – those off to Winston > incombant National: NO
So what! remember its MMP and (Labour + Greens ) still equals Labour + Greens.
And
Labour + Greens + NZ First is like dinner betwween three where one wont select from the menu without someone else offering to pay the bill, one wanting steak and cheese, less the steak and cheese and one wanting everybody else to finish eating before they start theirs.
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June 1, 2016 10:54am
Jack5

Re Nigel Kearney’s 10.32 post, containing:

…It was poor judgment to establish the super city in the first place.

In the long biography of Rodney Hide on Wikipedia there is an account of the creation of the “super city”. Hide participated as a “Minister outside the Cabinet”, whatever that is. He was appointed to the “office of the Minister of Local Government, Minister for Regulatory Reform and Associate Minister of Commerce.”

The Wikipedia entry continues:

One of the main focuses of Hide’s work in cabinet was the Auckland ‘Super City’ proposal for unification of the various local authorities of Auckland. This initiative was started by the then-Labour government in 2007, which set up a Royal Commission to investigate the local government arrangements in the Auckland region. The Commission reported back in 2009, but Hide and Prime Minister John Key announced that several of the Commission’s recommendations would not be accepted. In particular, the proposed six district sub-councils would be replaced by a local structure of 20-30 community boards. The recommendation to have separate concept Maori representation was also not accepted.

Hide faced criticism from various parties over the local authority amalgamation. Issues of satellite city boundaries, assets, financing and political consolidation were raised by North Shore City mayor Andrew Williams in 2009. That same year, the Labour Party accused Hide of mismanaging the Auckland reform process and criticised Hide’s advocacy of privatising council assets and services. Labour also alleged that a bad process had led to the centralisation of power in the hands of a privileged few. In 2010, a New Zealand Herald editorial made five further criticisms of Hide’s implementation of the ‘super city’ amalgamation:

1. Hide had a bad track record of consultation in the design of the single city,

2. He was plainly driven by his ideological agenda,

3. He had threatened to resign if the Prime Minister acceded to a strong call for Maori seats,

4. He had ignored concerns about the lack of power of local boards, and,

5. as much as 90 per cent of services were to be run by seven Government-appointed boards. Despite these criticisms, the amalgamation went ahead and the first Auckland Council elections were held in 2010.

Good on Rodney for blocking race-basedi seats. It would be interesting to hear his views on what he sees as the success or otherwise of the “super city”.
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June 1, 2016 11:11am
dime

How come on one hand, owning a house is now seen “as a right”, but the same lefties will demand more state housing and speak lovingly about “when we all lived in state houses”?
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June 1, 2016 11:27am
mikenmild

We all own the state houses dime, so I guess we are all homeowners.
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June 1, 2016 11:47am
iMP

COLIN CRAIG: one of the key defendants in the Craig camp has settled with John Stringer out of court; Craig camp starts to break apart

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/craig-camp-settles-with-stringer-the-letter-the-consv-party-will-not-let-you-see/
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June 1, 2016 11:47am
Jack5

The downside of immigration: all looks obvious. Why did it take the bureaucrats so long to figure this out, and why aren’t our politicians on the job?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11648304
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June 1, 2016 12:19pm
stephieboy

jack 5, this seems the germane part ,

“The political economy of migration policy can be fraught, but NZ actually has had a relatively calm public debate. But there is always latent risk of this turning on a dime.”

I wonder what employment prospects were like when there was a big flood of immigration to NZ in the mid and later 19th century ?
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June 1, 2016 12:29pm
stephieboy

EAD , more of your post and run and sly B S,

“They spend all the time kvetching about “France not being safe for the Jews” due to Islamic immigration yet have spent the last 50 years working assiduously to bring those same Muslims into France (in fact all Western nations)!!

I mean, just look at recent headlines from France as Jews do all they can to keep the 3rd world invasion coming whilst ensuring the French people don’t vote for the only party that might put a stop to the invasion.”

If only for the Jews the world would be a much simpler and kinder place ?
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June 1, 2016 12:34pm
Biscuit

So, let’s see here…

Labour and the Green are jumping into bed together.

Who’d ever have thunk, eh?

Angry, I guess, would be Prime Minister if that unholy coalition ever came into power.

Metty and James, I guess, would be Deputy Prime Ministers because they’re a ‘buy one, get the other one free’ duo.

Grant Robertson would be Minister of Finance.

But where are their policies?

We are told that one of those wonderful Think Tanks will dream up whatever new taxes we’ll be hit with to pay for their promises (because neither party will dare tell us what those are before the election. If in fact they have clues as to what they will be).
Those tax rises would need to be VERY substantial, right, because the minimum wage will be increased overnight and benefit payments will soar so that those folk can get this liveable wage Metty is so fond of talking about, there’ll be loads more money for health and education, student loans would all-but be wiped, there’ll be paid parental leave almost from the moment your baby is CONCEIVED, Len’s train set will be be fast-tracked…

All that expenditure, of course, would have NO effect on inflation and interest rates. ‘Trust us, our Think Tank has some wise people in it…’

They are against the TPPA … or will just ignore it (to use Angry’s words) so our trading options would appear to be limited under their model.

Our primary industries would need to get a shiny new Seal Of Approval from the Greens – cows would need to be toilet trained, e.g., and fishing within 2000 km of a Maui’s dolphin would, natch, be banned.

Charter Schools would go … so Chippie’s teacher mates don’t get shown up to be the near-incompetents they clearly are if Charter Schools are doing so well with the kids they (the registered teachers) couldn’t teach.

Will compulsory Unionism be brought back?

And, after she loses the UN Secretary General post, will Auntie Helen be brought back to be our President under the People’s of Aotearoa/New Zealand?

On which day of the first week will Phil Twyford ‘solve’ the Auckland housing crisis given that his mate Phil Goff seems just as implacably opposed to progress in the Super Sh*tty as does Len Brown and his Council?

It’d almost be fun to watch them in ‘action’, ha…

But it’s all still a pipe dream.

Any coalition needs:

1) Winston’s support
2) A decent chunk of people who voted National in 2014 to jump ship and defect to either Labour or the Greens

NEITHER appears to be happening…
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June 1, 2016 12:40pm
wiseowl

Oldpark
Us country bumpkins take exception to being linked with or likened to leftie Wellington Councillors.
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June 1, 2016 12:46pm
rangitoto

Good to see Donald staying Humble:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago

Congratulations to @seanhannity on his tremendous increase in television ratings. Speaking of ratings- I will be on his show tonight @ 10pE.

It will be brilliant if he wins the election.
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June 1, 2016 12:49pm
mikenmild

With the latest endorsement from North Korea, rangitoto, I can’t see how Trump could possibly lose.
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June 1, 2016 12:51pm
rangitoto

That would be because Donald puffed up Kim’s ego by saying he was a tough leader. The Don could well cut a deal with Kim and maybe even normalise things. He has street smarts that the other contenders are severely lacking
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June 1, 2016 12:55pm
stephieboy

rangitoto ,I see so Kim il Jong can cut a deal with Trump in much the same way Trump wants to give Putin all he wants including Ukraine , the Baltic states etc ?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/03/22/donald-trumps-foreign-policy-plan-would-give-putin-exactly-what-he-wants/#796fa27d1806

Surreal and iambeceltic surely !
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June 1, 2016 1:11pm
Paulus Gnome

I thought that this was worth sharing more than once:

Soper says something funny!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648756

‘If you mix red paint with green you get brown and Peters has after all been described as the blowfly of New Zealand politics!’
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June 1, 2016 1:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So, it looks like those Island Bay folks complaining about the balls-up with the new cycleway may have a point.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/80619435/report-says-government-has-lost-confidence-wellingtons-cycleways-will-be-delivered
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June 1, 2016 1:31pm
Brigitte

There could be some sense in Labour’s thinking (although the execution might be found wanting).

If you join with an even further left party then you could move to take the middle. This would mean capturing some of the centrist voters that abandoned Labour (when they lurched left – ignoring all the foot-in-mouth reasons for the moment). If they got enough support they could then kneecap the Greens (or at least their loony left policies) and sail happily into Government.

But, realistically, this is probably an underpants gnomes situation, namely:

1. MOU with Greens
2. ????
3. Sweep into power in 2017
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June 1, 2016 1:54pm
AgentBallSack

I am calling bullshit on the Japanese boy story now. A 7 year old will not walk back into the bush if left on the side of the road when he knows there are bears in there. The father needs to tell us where he has put the body. The longer this goes on the smellier the story is.
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June 1, 2016 1:57pm
Stars And Stripes

TV3 Story report into Maori sites of cultural significance lacked sensitivity
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/80621866/tv3-story-report-into-maori-sites-of-cultural-significance-lacked-sensitivity

Old Heather du Plessis-Allan has launched a fair few of her own PC witch hunts over the years against a variety of people but as they say if you lie with a dog you will eventually catch fleas and it seems this is what is happening as the PC brigade is now after her.
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June 1, 2016 2:10pm
stephieboy

Thus saith Stars and Stripes as he drools and dribbles over his key board .
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June 1, 2016 2:29pm
Stars And Stripes

Gee Stephieboy thought you would be too embarrassed to face me again after your little ‘accident” in the Three Kings Plaza last week.
Next time try and squeeze a bit tighter and it might help.
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June 1, 2016 3:10pm
stephieboy

S & R, I forgot about this as you struggle to get up and limp your way to Three Kings Shopping Plaza

http://novamedicalproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/new6inch.jpg
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June 1, 2016 3:42pm
Kimbo

Hmm. Maybe this is the sort of thing Andrew Little is talking about, where immigrant chefs do local Kiwis out of ‘good’ jobs. To be fair, there is no way Little – nor any NZ politician of any hue – would condone this, but still strange he targeted the ethnic chef example. They are somethimes badly paid with some really bad/dodgy employers:

A Hawke’s Bay business has been ordered to pay more than $134,000 to two former employees, one of whom stayed away from work on medical advice after being injured on the job.

Company owner Sarjeevan Kumar claimed one of the two men he sacked as managers of his dairy and takeaway businesses had stolen money from him, while another demanded $5000 to stay after a business sale.

But the Employment Relations Authority rejected Kumar’s version of events, labelling his claims as “preposterous” and “simply not credible”.

The authority ruled the men were unjustifiably dismissed from their jobs in Napier and Waipukurau and ordered Kumar’s company, SK Brothers, pay compensation for lost and unpaid wages, money the pair had loaned the business, legal costs and $10,000 each for humiliation, loss of dignity and injury to their feelings.

One of the sacked men, Devender Singh, had hot oil splashed in his eye in July 2013 while working at Kumar’s Napier store and, because he was the sole worker, closed the shop to seek medical treatment.

Singh, who was in New Zealand on a work permit, told the authority Kumar informed Immigration NZ after the accident that he was no longer employed, leading to his visa being cancelled.

He said before he was dismissed, he paid more than $17,000 to cover bills owed by the business after Kumar told him that if the debts weren’t settled the business would fold and he would be out of a job.

In ruling Singh’s dismissal was unjustified, authority member Mike Loftus said: “There can be no justification for dismissing a worker for refusing to work on medical advice and due to injuries incurred in the workplace, at least in such a short time and in the absence of any real inquiry about the injuries and a rehabilitation prognosis.”

Loftus said Kumar’s claim that the money loaned to the company by Singh was a means for him to launder proceeds stolen form the business was “preposterous”.

Dismissal was also unjustified for the second employee, Ramvir Pal, who ran a similar dairy and takeaway business for Kumar in Waipukurau, Loftus ruled.

Pal told the authority Kumar told informed him in 2013 the store had been sold and he needed to pay $5000 if he wanted to continue working for the new owner.

Kumar claimed Pal demanded $5000 to stay on but Loftus said it “defies logic to assert he would put that at risk by refusing redeployment unless SK paid him $5000, but is far more credible to conclude SK would take advantage of the situation by making a similar demand of Mr Pal”.

Like Singh, Pal said he had loaned money to the business to pay bills.

SK Brothers was ordered to pay just more than $75,000 to Pal and more than $59,000 to Singh

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/80621390/sacked-hawkes-bay-store-workers-awarded-134k-following-unjustified-dismissal
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June 1, 2016 3:43pm
Stars And Stripes

For you Stephieboy.
Now as I said squeeze tightly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMNVIZshJZc
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June 1, 2016 3:57pm
Lucia Maria

The mild run-up to winter has caused some interesting dilemmas with the SPCA seeing more kittens, puppies and pests… and less people dying

The advantage of warmer weather:

It’s a bittersweet situation for the funeral industry as the warmer weather means fewer people are dying, with funeral directors and casketmakers not getting their normal volume of work.

“They are lower this quarter than what they have been in the past. And that’s what we’ve been hearing as well through our funeral homes that it’s relatively quiet,” said Katrina Shanks, Funeral Directors Association chief executive.

Nationally, the death rate is the lowest it’s been in 25 years.

The plant growing season has been extended as well. If this really is global warming, long may it continue!
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June 1, 2016 6:00pm
wiseowl

Woodhouse on Garner this afternoon says mass immigration is fantastic for the country.

No correlation between immigration and people living in cars.

Astounding that a few dots can’t be connected. Maybe just don’t want to.
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June 1, 2016 6:10pm
Happychappy

Just watched Paddy Gower have a orgasm talking about Andrew Little and the Labour Party’s lust for the obese mare and Green Leader on the Hub News
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June 1, 2016 6:30pm
Reid

Astounding that a few dots can’t be connected.

That’s the stoooooooopid sheeple wiseowl. They live in a manufactured reality. e.g. they know the media lies about everything, yet in this case, they believe it’s all about supply, cos if it wasn’t, then someone would have said something to the contrary, and since they haven’t, the lie must be so.

Maybe just don’t want to.

There is nothing so vigorously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction.

And the sheeple have a vested interest in maintaining their fantasy worldview, which to them is nothing more than an intellectual conviction, because the consequences of them realising they’ve all been played like violins like the local village idiot, is far too much for their egos to tolerate.
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June 1, 2016 6:30pm
wiseowl

Reid.Yup.

The other reaction on Garners ‘show’ was the guy in his late thirties who rang and said he had 43 investment properties.

Pays hardly any tax and intends increasing to 100.

As a producer after years of eeking out a living fighting the elements , the banks, regulations etc and earning export income for my country I think what a waste of time.

If the system is so stacked infavour of buying houses why don’t we all do it.? Stuff taking risks to help the country pay its way when you can sit back and do nothing.

There is something totally out of balance here.
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June 1, 2016 6:51pm
Shawn Herles

“e.g. they know the media lies about everything”

Nope. Demonstrably untrue. What we know is that the media, ALL media, including Russia’s and Iran’s, sometimes lie, and are always biased to some degree. The Western media is often biased to a Liberal-Left pov. But that does not mean it lies outright all the ime about every issue, or that we can start taking alien invasion consporacies seriously.
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June 1, 2016 6:53pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80431938/slavery-in-new-zealand-is-increasing-with-migrants-the-most-exploited

“New Zealand has an estimated 800 people living in modern day slavery, an international slavery survey says.”

“Slavery was most common in New Zealand’s fishing, dairy, agriculture, construction and hospitality industries.”

What the actual fuck??
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June 1, 2016 6:56pm
EAD

@ Reid & Wiseowl,

reminds me of that quote:

“Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession – their ignorance.”
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June 1, 2016 6:57pm
Happychappy

Damien O’Connor Labour MP does not look happy with his Leaders marriage of convenience with the Greens.After winning his West Coast seat back last election he will be aware that people do not tolerate the Greens and their policy’s on the coast and this is a seat that could easily go back to the National party
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June 1, 2016 7:03pm
Reid

If the system is so stacked infavour of buying houses why don’t we all do it.?

The smoking gun here is that if the house price rise wasn’t because of immigration and simply supply, then why the fuck did it suddenly only fucking happen since 2008, when we had massive numbers of Chinese WITH ACCESS TO CHEAP CHINESE MONEY!!!!!!!!!! coming in. ?????????????????????????????

Sure, we’ve had Akld rises before, but nothing ever, like this. But supply never changed. Supply has been the same since forever.

So how come this no-brainer obvious root-cause-analysis 101 question doesn’t and evidently, never has, occurred to the dummies?

God only knows.

Aren’t sheeple just the biggest dumbfucks in the whole wide world.

EAD: sad, isn’t it.
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June 1, 2016 7:07pm
EAD

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness appear among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.” – Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited

Only in our insane matrix of a world do people celebrate and the government deliberately encourage through policy, the cost of living (housing) increasing at an exponential rate.

The conspiracy theorist in me would almost say it’s deliberate to make debt slaves of us all and keep us easily controlled while the central planners create their Utopia. ……
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June 1, 2016 7:08pm
Shawn Herles

Well, this will make the heads of greenies and multicultural liberals explode.

‘Dalai Lama says ‘too many’ refugees in Europe’

“BERLIN:
The Dalai Lama said in an interview published Thursday that Europe has accepted “too many” refugees, and that they should eventually return to help rebuild their home countries.

“When we look into the face of every single refugee, especially the children and women, we can feel their suffering,” said the Tibetan spiritual leader, who has himself lived in exile for over half a century.

“A human being who is a bit more fortunate has the duty to help them. On the other hand, there are too many now,” he said, according to the German translation of the interview in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

“Europe, for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country,” he added with a laugh, the daily reported. “Germany is Germany.

“There are so many that in practice it becomes difficult.”

The Dalai Lama added that “from a moral point of view too, I think that the refugees should only be admitted temporarily”.

“The goal should be that they return and help rebuild their countries.””

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1113521/dalai-lama-says-many-refugees-europe/

First the UK Equalities Commisioner, the very man who invented the silly term “Islamaphobia” admitted publicly that he was wrong, and that Muslims are not intergrating but instead creating nations within nations, now the Dalai Lama says that Europe is for Europeans and that Muslim “refugees” should not be permantly allowed to settle there.

Like the Titanic, the multicultural ship has sunk on the iceberg of Islam. Increasing numbers of people, across the political spectrum and from all walks of life, are waking up to reality. Virtually the only people left waving the multiculural flag are extreme PC cultists and the termanlly stupid.

‘Muslims Are Creating ‘Nations Within Nations’ Says Former Head of U.K. Equalities Commission’

http://www.newsweek.com/muslims-are-creating-nations-within-nations-says-former-head-uk-equalities-446163?piano_t=1
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June 1, 2016 7:09pm
Dennis Horne

@Lucia Maria at 6:00 pm
The plant growing season has been extended as well. If this really is global warming, long may it continue!

You pride yourself on your skill in mathematics. You might like to watch a mathematician, Gavin Schmidt, giving the ‘business as usual’ scenario you so cherish, at ~23 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJruWt6OvYs
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June 1, 2016 7:10pm
Viking2

Evening entertainment.
cool and funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O70Ww9vzjvg
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June 1, 2016 7:13pm
wiseowl

Come to think of it Happychappy may be it would be a good move for Damien to defect to NZ First.

That would be a wise move.
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June 1, 2016 7:14pm
mikenmild

Gee Shawn where were you when the Dalai Lama was proclaiming himself a Marxist, supporting same-sex marriage and a pacifist?
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June 1, 2016 7:17pm
Reid

The conspiracy theorist in me would almost say it’s deliberate to make debt slaves of us all

That’s right EAD.

Cui bono from the Akld crisis Key did without asking any of us?

The banks.

Duh.
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June 1, 2016 7:21pm
Stars And Stripes

Got dragged along to a Dalai Lama speaking event at Eden Park in my varsity days when he was mates with old Jellyfish Lange.
Biggest pack of smoke and bullshit I have seen for a while fed by a sycophantic audience of mentally ill western converts to Tibetan Buddhism.
Green Party supporters would have lapped it up though.
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June 1, 2016 7:25pm
Don the Kiwi

stephieboy.
1.11 pm.
“Surreal and iambeceltic surely !

Y’know stephie, one day you might learn how to speak and spell English.

Maybe you should comment in your native Muslim arabic, and Haaji or Padriv can translate – they would make more sense.
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June 1, 2016 7:39pm
Lucia Maria

Dennis,

I don’t find propaganda videos to be an effective use of my time. If I’m going to watch something, I’d rather it be entertaining.

Most of my information gathering is done by reading – it’s much faster and less prone to emotional manipulation.

Off to watch an episode of Suits now, on Netflix …
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June 1, 2016 7:52pm
Lucia Maria

Just noticed EAD’s comment:

A good article that takes down the laughable EU = continuation of the Nazi regime in disguise…

You’d think one of the countries invaded by the Nazis (Poland) would have noticed. But no, Poland is one of the staunchest defenders of the EU.
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June 1, 2016 7:56pm
EAD

Really Lucia?

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160531/1040546109/poland-eu-occupation.html

HEADLINE: “Poland is dying under EU occupation”
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June 1, 2016 7:59pm
mikenmild

Today is International Children’s Day (sorry, EAD, it applies to Jewish children).
A nice piece here from Amnesty International on what pressure can do to save juvenile offenders on death row.
https://www.amnesty.org.nz/saving-young-lives-execution-iran
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June 1, 2016 8:10pm
mikenmild

There was an interesting item on <Fair Go tonight about the government’s Health Star rating system for food. According to the MPI website, the ‘Health Star Ratings rate the nutrition content of packaged food from half a star to 5 stars. The more stars, the healthier the food’.
The trouble appears to be that the system doesn’t seem to rate a high sugar content as a problem. Although sugar content is a component of the rating, products such as Nutri-Grain can get 4 stars and Milo(!) 4.5 stars.
An interesting point when we have had many posts from DPF on how sugar is not really a problem and consumers/parents should take more responsibility. A bowl of Nutri-Grain will give your child two days’ worth of recommended sugar intake.
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June 1, 2016 8:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

If it’s too good to be true, it probably is:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/80622741/refund-ordered-after-110000-supercar-overheats-on-its-maiden-nz-journey

Dumbfuck. Stick to a Japanese appliance if you don’t know what you’re getting into.
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June 1, 2016 8:15pm
AgentBallSack

I think Kiwis are waking up to the media machinations. The bias is too blatant to not notice anymore. The latest Stuff political articles have been decidedly and refreshingly anti left. Diametrically opposed to the editorial stance.
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June 1, 2016 8:27pm
Stars And Stripes

MM -“A bowl of Nutri-Grain will give your child two days’ worth of recommended sugar intake.”

Never fear MM the smoking Nazi’s are nearly finished so I will set them on to it as their next crusade.
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June 1, 2016 8:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

John Banks lays a complaint against Crown Prosecutor

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11648162
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June 1, 2016 9:06pm
starboard

flicking through the plethora of tv channels over here in Thailand..come across a channel solely dedicated to muslims walking around in a circle. The camera is fixed, no sound..hour after hour of thousands and thousands of muslim walking in a circle around a large black edifice. How dull. Why would you bother? Imagine the stench. It must be 40 plus deg.
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June 1, 2016 9:11pm
Lucia Maria

EAD,

Sputnik is Russian propaganda. Why don’t you give me a Polish source instead?
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June 1, 2016 9:11pm
calendar girl

mm @ 10:16am –

“Indeed, KS, because no one on the West Coast is at all interested in conservation, or the economic opportunities that flow from it. Your stereotypical West Coaster is still a miner or forestry worker.”

Such is the disconnect between a Wellington-bound bureaucrat and arguably NZ’s political heartland.
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June 1, 2016 9:16pm
Stars And Stripes

Starboard- sounds like you are watching the Hajj pilgrimage from Saudi Arabia which is happening at the moment.

Talking of the Hajj we need our buddy Hajji to tell us all about it but given what a loose Muslim he turned out to be he is probably out fornicating or something similar.
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June 1, 2016 9:19pm
nasska

…..” he is probably out fornicating or something similar.”….

You’re sorely mistaken. He’s just jump starting his camel. 🙂
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June 1, 2016 9:25pm
Reid

Why don’t you give me a Polish source instead?

Because that would be Polish propaganda Lucia.

Duh.

People who think along four legs good two legs bad lines are truly lost.

This is how the crowd thought when the evil Pharisees tickled their ears and they decided to go for Barabbas.

And you do it too.

The worst part is, you’re not even interested in exploring the error of your ways.

Poor you.

You do know I assume Pride is one of the seven deadly…
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June 1, 2016 9:26pm
starboard

“You’re sorely mistaken. He’s just jump starting his camel”

“I dont know what happened Officer, I was just out walking my camel when I fell over and my penis ended up in his back passage..honest”
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June 1, 2016 9:41pm
Dennis Horne

@Lucia Maria. Propaganda? You’ve been taken in my the biggest fraud in the history of science. Same kind of bastards who muddied the waters about tobacco. There is no debate amongst informed scientists about man-made climate change, any more than there was about smoking and cancer.

Not the biggest fraud in history of the West of course. That would be the Roman Catholic Church. Believe phenomena for which there is not a skerrick of evidence and reject science where the evidence is simply overwhelming.
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June 1, 2016 10:00pm
Jack5

Vietnamese fish are competing with NZ offshore fish in fish and chip shops, and we need to watch the competition is open and fair.

From Melbourne comes a report that a fish-and-chip-shop chain with bikie gang connections has been selling Vietnamese cat fish as south Pacific dory.

A decade or so ago, the NZ inshore fishery supplied much of the fish sold in New South Wales and Victorian fish and chip shops. The netting ban to protect dolphins has hit the inshore fishing industry, and at the same time the rise of ethnic-Vietnamese ownership of Australian fish and chip shops has led to importing of farmed Vietnamese fish. The imports are now competing in NZ, too. If the Trans Pacific trade deal is signed, NZ fish might become rare at our fish and chip shops.

(Note the humour in the second link naming):

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hunky-dory-fish-and-chips-accused-of-serving-catfish-as-dory-20160524-gp2lbg.html

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/mongol-bikies-accused-of-salt-and-battery-20160531-gp8dsh.html
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June 1, 2016 11:17pm
Left Right and Centre

general running . . .
Young brown woman with dog off lead. Dog growls and jumps around near me. I’ve stopped running trying to get away from dog.
Owner says – if you stop, then he’ll stop. Good one bitch. Why am I stopping again ? Is it . . . because your fuckwit of a dog is being aggressive and threatening – the kind of dog that should knowingly be kept on a lead in public ? So why is it off the lead ya pos scum moron ?

I can’t even remember how I got away without being bitten. I called out ‘I’m coming back down too’ – as in – have it on the lead mate (it was – next two times I saw it on the run). I think I was waiting for it to have a good old lunge at the body before I took some serious defensive action. She did say ‘I’m so sorry’ but still – get it right to start with. A lot of ‘sorrys’ that come from clueless braindead turds were highly preventable and avoidable – unlike being able to avoid them in public.

These problematic mindless losers litter so many thread topics as subject-matter here day in and day out. They don’t give a fuck mate. Fuckin useless nasty evil bastards. Repulsive personality and character flaws the lot of them. Disgusting slum sucking creeps that make your skin crawl. Don’t feel sorry for them. Don’t be sucked in by them. Given half a chance they’d take you for everything they fuckin could. They live by their own law and logic – do as they damn well please – to hell with everyone else. Fuck you, I don’t give a shit about anyone else. That’s how they are. You want to know how they are ? They’re like this . . .**fuck you cunt, up yours, get bent, I don’t give a shit, get over it – hahahahaha**. Charming underclarseholes – just remember that when you see these ‘poor victims’ on telly. Poor little angels. They’d break into your car and take that laptop in a heartbeat – nothing to lose. Fuck them.
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