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Souvlaki

Little, sensing imminent bankruptcy when he gets his confabulating arse sued off him by Earl & Lani Hagaman retracts his intemperate slander of John Shewan.
This serves to reinforce the reality, that Little has the social skills of a bull in a china shop…long may he reign over Labour !

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11659052
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June 19, 2016 8:02am
wiseowl

Outstanding performance by Barret, Ben and Dagg last night.

Proves that the skills of these guys surpass the bulldozer tactics of big guys selected because of their size.
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June 19, 2016 8:06am
Hajji

Another day in New Zealand while under attack by traitors called “Labour”, “Greens”, “Feminists”, “LGBTQWERTY” and a drunken dwarf.

Yay!
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June 19, 2016 8:09am
wiseowl

Been kicked out of bed early Hajji ?
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June 19, 2016 8:13am
Happychappy

So Andrew Little can tell lies over the Tax Papers in the Bahama’s in saying that John Shewan and Don Brash helped the Bahama’s set up the tax evasion system and MSM have feild day promoting it and giving this political retard a string of hits on the National Government.T hen today we have a column in the Herald with Little saying he was wrong and he had apoligised to John Shewan.Between Andrew Little and James Shaw they made miles out of the pack of lies and the Media wait till the Nicky Hager Bull shit has died a natural death to hide this apology.
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June 19, 2016 8:21am
duggledog

Both Herald and RNZ web sites carrying very pointed articles on Mr Trump this morning.

Du Plessis Allan and Phil Smith appear unhealthily obsessed with the Republican nominee.

Du Plessis is putting a bit of Hitler into her article – what both of these morons don’t seem to understand is that you get people like Trump when bad policy is foisted upon a populace without their say-so. Strong reactions follow foolish politicians as sure as night follows day.

Anti immigration hatred is happening all over Europe, why wouldn’t it happen in the US? And for that matter why wouldn’t it happen here? That’s what you get if you swamp a country with aliens, or allow it to happen.

Du Plessis Allan should be smarter than this; she is from South Africa so she should know first hand.
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June 19, 2016 8:22am
Hajji

Correction, less-than-wiseowl, Hajji was up at 5:20 am to breakfast before the Ramadan fast commences at 5:50 am. The fast will be broken this evening at 5:12 pm.

Stick that up your so-called, ‘secular society’.

In fact the official (i.e. State-sponsored religion) of the ‘West’ is environmentianity.
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June 19, 2016 8:24am
tvb

Little is proving he does not have the temperament to be Prime Mimister.
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June 19, 2016 8:35am
Happychappy

Where is the accuracy by MSM when John Key ,Paula Bennett and Nick Smith are all over the News about housing,the homeless and sleeping in cars with article’s of them telling lie’s and then a story on the Labour Leader Andrew Little appears with the Headline ” I Was Wrong “. This is a column of double standards and Andrew Little smeared and lied about John Shewan d the Media did plenty of hits to damage his creditability and the National Party through Little lies and they try to limit the damage to him in this article
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June 19, 2016 8:37am
Hajji

“Du Plessis Allan should be smarter than this; she is from South Africa so she should know first hand.”

Du Pissy Ellen has always been a traitor to the White Tribe of Africa. I believe her parents were as well.

That is why under traditional English Law traitors children were disinherited and the property seized by the State.

(Should still be doing it.)
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June 19, 2016 8:37am
jp_1983

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11659143
Student propositions lecturer and gets suspended.
Good outcome here

Here’s the rub the student is a female and the lecturer is a male. – female student and the student union don’t see it as an issue.

Imagine if the lecturer propositioned the student the SJW would be baying for blood.
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June 19, 2016 8:37am
EAD

Outstanding read on the British political murder by the mentally ill man:

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/tragedy-jo-cox-need-put-britain-first/

Food for thought indeed
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June 19, 2016 8:42am
B.L.Zeebub

The relief of the media is palpable ,they now have a face they can put to the label of “far right fascism”.
Unwilling to associate Islam with the murder of 100s of thousands if not millions worldwide,the sanctimonious one trick ponies have gone full retard over the murder of Jo Cox.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/17/its-time-to-call-the-killing-of-jo-cox-what-it-is-an-act-of-far/
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June 19, 2016 8:43am
Reid

Little, sensing imminent bankruptcy when he gets his confabulating arse sued off him by Earl & Lani Hagaman retracts his intemperate slander of John Shewan.

I wonder if the defamation laws provide for the news organisations that broadcast the libel and slander to be included in the action if they were careless as to whether or not the statement(s) were true?

If not there probably should be.

the Media wait till the Nicky Hager Bull shit has died a natural death to hide this apology.

And at the very least, even if an action isn’t taken due to withdrawel, the injured party should be able to require all the media that participated in the broadcast give the same airtime to any retraction as they did to the orginal defamation.
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June 19, 2016 8:44am
stephieboy

Reid,

“…the action if they were careless as to whether or not the statement(s) were true?… etc ” ?

Not if they are RT, Sputnik, Veterans Today etc and you !
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June 19, 2016 8:50am
Komata

Reid

Re:’…The injured party should be able to require all the media that participated in the broadcast give the same airtime to any retraction as they did to the original defamation’.

You will be as aware as I am that ANY retraction and ‘apology’ that the MSM give is only ever done so with extreme reluctance, through very closed mouths and with much gritting of teeth. Their view is that ‘The public has a RIGHT to know’ and that this catchall justifies all and any action that they take.

Being ‘caught out’ and having to apologise simply doesn’t fit their (self-appointed) agenda and they fight very, very hard to avoid having to say ‘we’re sorry’ or ‘we got it wrong’.

Oddly, they seem to have absolutely no problems in initiating proceedings against anyone who ‘defames’ THEM!!

I wonder why…
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June 19, 2016 8:55am
Tauhei Notts

I hope this is not out of place here, but I want to congratulate Betty Windsor on Dartmouth’s success in the Hardwicke Stakes at Ascot. Ascot is the Olympics of horse racing and to have a runner there is good; to win that race is real good.
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June 19, 2016 8:56am
stephieboy

Komata , do you think so called non MSM like RT, Sputnik , frontpage etc having nothing to apologise for ?

http://www.newsweek.com/putins-news-network-lies-just-start-361877
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June 19, 2016 9:09am
Northland Wahine

Jp- I’m glad the lecturer didn’t just shrug it off. The silly bint probably isn’t use to being rejected. Her biggest concern is not being able to finish her degree. Whoopity shit.

And the student association should be backing the university on this one openly.
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June 19, 2016 9:10am
Happychappy

Green Party want urgent enquiry into Mental Health,so I am wondering whether they want get Andrew Little and James Shaw’s mentality tested to make sure they don’t make anymore cockups like what happen with the release of the Panama and Bahama’s tax papers.
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June 19, 2016 9:10am
wiseowl

Duggledog.
The media are certainly in a frenzy labelling anything that used to be considered conservative ‘right wing’.

Those who were a little to the right are now ‘extreme right wing.’

That all means that socialist and communist is OK anything that challenges is wrong.

Fight back true westerners FFS.
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June 19, 2016 9:10am
Komata

Tauhei Notts

Agreed, well deserved, and unlike Australasian media there will be no front page adulation. It’s simply not done…
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June 19, 2016 9:13am
Reid

Came across this wisdom last night, think I’ll frame it…

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be.

And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

Max Ehrmann, “Desiderata”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiderata
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June 19, 2016 9:22am
Keeping Stock

Such courage from Little and his advisers apologising to John Shewan at tea time on a Saturday, when most of us were more concerned with the rugby test a couple of hours later. They are all class {sarc alert}

Little and Labour deserve one another. I propose that he immediately be appointed Leader of the Opposition in perpetuity; do I have a seconder?
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June 19, 2016 9:31am
tom hunter

Yuuuuuggggeeee:

What seems to be happening isn’t that Hillary Clinton is on the rise. Rather, Trump’s popularity is dangerously low for a presumptive presidential nominee at this stage (pre-summer) of the race. And since the start of June, the trend for Trump has been alarming.

Several recent polls confirm this observation. A new Bloomberg Politics national poll shows Clinton leading Trump with 49 percent to 37 percent among likely voters in November’s election. 55 percent of those polled say they could never vote for the real-estate developer and TV personality. Women are a majority of voters, and a full 63 percent of them say they could never vote for Trump.

Yuuuuuggggeeee

Then there is the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll showing that negative views of Trump have surged to 70 percent, their highest level of the 2016 campaign. (Hillary Clinton’s are at 55 percent.) It’s not only that Trump’s negatives are sky-high; it’s also that a majority of those who have negative impressions of him (56 percent) hold those views “strongly.”

Yuuuuuggggeeee.

I realise that “conventional” or common wisdom has been wrong for months now on Trump. Certainly I have been. But I always thought it was a matter of the averages catching up with the outlying result. I’d hoped that would be during the GOP nomination – but I guess it has to be during the general.

This should be a moment, late spring/early summer, when Trump is consolidating Republican support and fortifying his position. Instead, the empirical evidence shows he is in perfectly awful shape, as weak and vulnerable as any major presidential candidate in decades. He is positioned to be wiped out in November, despite the fact that Mrs. Clinton is a bad candidate with much baggage.

He has almost no money to spend in countering Clinton’s war chest – because he didn’t think that mattered with his strategy of saying something outrageous every day to own the 24-48 news cycle – and as with Obama in 2012 she’s going to spend all of June drenching Trump in even more negatives.

Trump looking good in the polls a month ago was simply a reflection of the Bernie Bros not yet getting on board for Hillary. The same shite I heard in 2008; how all the supporters of the other candidate (Clinton then) were so angry and hurt they would not vote for the nominee (then Obama). Doesn’t work that way folks. Tribalism rules.

Plus personal distaste.
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June 19, 2016 9:35am
kowtow

Talking of the media and politicians…….

The item about “Australian” jihadis was buried deep in my print newspaper . So while a hundred Australians are engaging in genocide in Syria and Iraq , their hypocrite Prime Minister is boasting a first.Iftar dinner .

“It was estimated 110 Australians were fighting with Islamist terror organisations, primarily Islamic State. That’s unchanged from last month.”

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31852688/up-to-61-australian-jihadists-killed/#page1

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/column_how_turnbull_tried_to_fool_you_on_islam/
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June 19, 2016 9:38am
Dave_1924

Indeed KS…. its dirty, nasty politics of the old fashion whispering kind being practiced by Little. Make a big statement, drag a solid professionals name through the mud and get your repeaters in the media to beat it up for all its worth. Push the corruption angle hard, never mind it isn’t true.

Then as late as possible issue a quiet retraction, apologise before the papers arrived from the defamed persons lawyers and play the whole thing down.

But the worm of the lie is still alive out there working its way around as gossip among those who don’t really follow the mass media much and the quiet apology nevers makes it way to them. So is still TRUE to many. And the corruption meme grows.

Andy Little playing the nasty game – his Union puppet masters must be proud!

How many fails is this now on Andy’s LOL watch? And yes, Leader of Labour and Laugh Out Loud are both correct interpretations of that TLA
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June 19, 2016 9:45am
kowtow

Belgium is really enjoying the diversity dividend that comes with Muslim immigration.

Why do our immigration authorities think New Zealand will be immune to the violence that seems to accompany Islam where ever it goes?

“Belgian authorities have charged three men with terrorism offences, including attempting to commit murder, following a huge overnight operation.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36566336
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June 19, 2016 9:45am
peterwn

Re Auckland student – seems she had an opportunity to get it sorted (although probably with some loss of face and a fine) but seems she was suspended for the year for not engaging with the University’s disciplinary process.
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June 19, 2016 9:49am
stigie

“Little is proving he does not have the temperament to be Prime Mimister”.

Well, wasn’t this proved to be the case about 18 months ago..?
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June 19, 2016 9:56am
Gulag1917

Good article and some common sense.

Berlin (AFP) – German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier has criticised NATO for having a bellicose policy towards Russia, describing it as “warmongering”, the German daily Bild reported.

Steinmeier pointed to the deployment of NATO troops near borders with Russia in the military alliance’s Baltic and east European member states.

“What we should avoid today is inflaming the situation by warmongering and stomping boots,” Steinmeier told Bild in an interview to be published Sunday.

“Anyone who thinks you can increase security in the alliance with symbolic parades of tanks near the eastern borders, is mistaken,” Germany’s top diplomat added.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-slams-nato-warmongering-russia-115515814.html?ref=gs
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June 19, 2016 9:57am
tom hunter

Was out at dinner with friends last night and given the British connections of one couple we had an interesting discussion of Brexit. It really is a big political issue but I’ve found myself just not following it – possibly because I think the referendum will simply be overridden by the British Parliament if the result is for Britain to leave.

In any case the question my wife and I asked what was driving Brexit – and this couple had no hesitation in their one word answer: immigration.

With that in mind I thought this article by Megan McArdle in Bloomberg was very good in that she writes not just of the Brexit debate but the general implications across the Western world. Bear in mind that McArdle is an economist and is known as a thoughtful and non-inflammatory writer.

Around 1:30 Monday morning, a budget jet brought me to Luton, where I stayed overnight. The next leg of my travel did not begin until late afternoon, and so I took the opportunity to walk around the area near the Mall Luton, which turned out to be a very good place to think about Brexit.
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the town is now — like so many places in Europe and America — looking for its post-industrial future. EasyJet, a budget airline, is based there, but as you so often find in similar cities in the U.S., the biggest employers are the local government and the local hospital. It has also had a dramatic shift in population. The Luton council estimates that “between 50% and 75% of the population would not have lived in Luton or not have been born at the time of the 2001 Census.”
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I bought some Polish sausage and pastry at an off-license, some Indian dumplings and Thai noodles at a couple of food trucks, and I sat on a bench in the mall, listening to people from three continents chat with each other in more than half a dozen languages, none of which I spoke.

As an American, this did not strike me as odd; this is what our cities have been like for centuries, particularly on the coasts. One group of immigrants moves in, creates an enclave, then gets rich, assimilates and moves out, making way for the next group that will throw a little of their food, their language and their customs into our vast melting pot.

Quite true of the US. But she makes these points:

But this is not normal in most of the world. Nor is it necessarily welcome.
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There’s a lot to be gained from globalism, the mixing of two or more cultures into something new. But something specific and local and much-loved is inevitably lost at the same time, and the people who feel that loss most keenly are the inward-looking people who stay in place, not internationalist elites.

So it’s not that my food was bad — it was all quite good — or that there was anything wrong with the immigrants serving and eating it. They all looked like quite nice people. But it was all very different from traditional British food, traditional British people. And no matter how hard we try to argue that it doesn’t matter, it does — politically, if in no other way. Especially when things aren’t going all that well for the natives.

It’s amazing that this has been so ignored. I have to admit I’ve ignored it, probably because I’m one of the “transnational elites” she writes of.

Somehow, over the last half-century, Western elites managed to convince themselves that nationalism was not real. Perhaps it had been real in the past, like cholera and telegraph machines, but now that we were smarter and more modern, it would be forgotten in the due course of time as better ideas supplanted it.

That now seems hopelessly naive.

The Gods of the Copybook Headings.

For though elites may find something vaguely horrifying about saying that you care more about people who are like you than you do about people who are culturally or geographically further away, the rest of the population is outraged by the never-stated corollary: that the elites running things feel no greater moral obligation to their fellow countrymen than they do to some random stranger in another country.

And perhaps we can argue that this is the morally correct way to feel — but if it is truly the case, you can see why ordinary folks would be suspicious about allowing the elites to continue to exercise great power over their lives.
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June 19, 2016 9:59am
stephieboy

kowtow, simply because none of our 50,000 Muslims have posed a security threat or a” clear present danger ” much like the overwhelming number of Belgium’s Muslims .

Just keep ratcheting up your fear and paranoia index !

Gulag 1917 , the German Foreign minister busy waving the” peace in our time” piece of paper ?
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June 19, 2016 10:01am
Lucia Maria

‘Death to traitors, freedom for Britain’

The man charged with shooting and stabbing to death a rising star of British politics gave his name Saturday as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain” during his first court appearance since the killing stunned this nation on Thursday.

Thomas Mair, 52, made the comment when a judge asked for his name in a London magistrate’s court. Mair was officially charged Saturday with the murder of Jo Cox, a 41-year-old member of the center-left Labour Party who had been an outspoken advocate for refugees, immigrants and Britain’s continued membership in the European Union.

Mair’s statement adds considerable weight to the theory that Cox’s killing was a politically motivated, far-right attack just a week before Britain is to vote on the highly contentious question of whether the country should stay in the E.U.

Although neighbors and family members have described Mair as apolitical, watchdog groups have unearthed evidence of decades-long affiliations with neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations.

Prosecutors said Saturday that they had found extreme right-wing literature during a search of Mair’s house, Britain’s Guardian newspaper reported. They also said that Mair told police during his arrest, which came moments after the attack on Cox, that he was “a political activist.”
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June 19, 2016 10:11am
Gulag1917

“German Foreign minister busy waving the” peace in our time” piece of paper?”
The German minister has a huge amount of support within Germany and outside. You seem to share something with the radical Christian Right, a love of war.
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June 19, 2016 10:12am
Gulag1917

Why the ‘lone-wolf’ terrorist is a myth
“President Obama says don’t worry, the Orlando terrorist was just another “lone actor” operating in isolation, unconnected to any larger group of supporters. In fact, these so-called “lone wolves” are running in packs, and suggesting otherwise gives the public a false sense of security.”
http://nypost.com/2016/06/18/why-the-lone-wolf-terrorist-is-a-myth/
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June 19, 2016 10:15am
Dave_1924

Lucia – the whole Jo Cox killed by Far Right extremists fails the basic sniff test. What does the far right want? An end to immigration. What would a Brexit at least partial deliver – an end to immigration. Why would sponsoring a killing help their cause? It won’t.

The truth behind why this guy did what he did is going to take a long time to surface, but it is a god send for the remain bloc in the brexit vote.
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June 19, 2016 10:22am
kowtow

“kowtow, simply because none of our 50,000 Muslims have posed a security threat or a” clear present danger ” much like the overwhelming number of Belgium’s Muslims .”

“She said the number of people on the SIS’ active watchlist had not changed since 2014 and remained at 30-40 people. The SIS was usually also pursuing between 60-70 leads passed on by other agencies or the public to assess whether somebody was enough of a threat to be put on the watchlist.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11640711
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June 19, 2016 10:22am
Reid

Santa Monica; Two police officers who wish to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation say that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was found with a car full of explosives and weapons on Sunday morning, told police he was part of a team that planned shooting attacks on gay communities in Florida and California.

Howell told police he was turning himself in because he wanted protection. His story was that he had been assured by his recruiters that he would not be harmed in the shooting but, when he heard on the news that Omar Mateen, the lead gunman in the Orlando group, had been killed by sniper fire, he realized he was being set up as a patsy and would be killed.

Soon after that, the FBI took over the investigation, and information to the public was filtered to remove any facts that might show the Orlando shooting as a planned event involving others…

http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/
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June 19, 2016 10:23am
stephieboy

Reid , you hinting at some kind of false flag event ?

kowtlow, come on that is that is just a watch list not Belgium style terrorist operation !
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June 19, 2016 10:28am
Lucia Maria

Dave_1924,

Lucia – the whole Jo Cox killed by Far Right extremists fails the basic sniff test. What does the far right want? An end to immigration. What would a Brexit at least partial deliver – an end to immigration. Why would sponsoring a killing help their cause? It won’t.

It has to be investigated, though. Personally, I doubt the guy was acting for anyone else. He just took in into his own head that Jo Cox had to die.

The truth behind why this guy did what he did is going to take a long time to surface, but it is a god send for the remain bloc in the brexit vote.

I wouldn’t have thought that it would have made much impact on the Brexit vote. While as the warning from the Bank of England (see Brexit poses global financial risk, Bank of England warns ) and the IMF (see IMF Revives Recession Warning for U.K. Economy Over Brexit Vote), of a major recession in Britain, and quite possibly on international markets that might affect us should give a whole lot more people pause.
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June 19, 2016 10:35am
Gulag1917

Lucia
The UK may go into temporary recession but will bounce back. Brexit could be an advantage for NZ agriculture.
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June 19, 2016 10:41am
Happychappy

Just about every week in Parliamentary Question time you hear Labours Finance Spokesman Grant Robertson wofling on about how NZ Trade is not in good shape due to the downturn in Dairy.So as this idiot only likes listening to his own voice he forgets the good happenings in other Trade
Sectors like this on “Wine Sales Surging Towards $2 Billion A Year” wine has doubled it’s earnings in the past decade according to ANZ Agri Focus report, sales of $1.97 Billion a year and has had a Annual growth of 8.4% in the last 10years.Well isn’t this great for National as diversity in NZ Trade is bringing good results in other business ventures to the table
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June 19, 2016 10:43am
wiseowl

Warnings from the Bank of England and the IMF are good reasons to vote leave.
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June 19, 2016 10:54am
Lucia Maria

Gulag1917,

Brexit could be an advantage for NZ agriculture.

Not according to the NZIER…

A study by the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research (NZIER) said the post-Brexit picture was “horribly murky” but it was clear incomes there would fall if Britain voted to leave the European Union, and New Zealand’s exports would fall by an estimated $190 million a year.

Link: Brexit good for NZers wanting to work in UK – Farage

But it could help us divest ourselves of our well-educated young people. Won’t that be a bonus!
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June 19, 2016 11:01am
MT_Tinman

Keeping Stock (12,089 comments) says:
June 19th, 2016 at 9:31 am

Such courage from Little and his advisers apologising to John Shewan at tea time on a Saturday, when most of us were more concerned with the rugby test a couple of hours later.

Rugby test?

There was a rugby test last night?

I never saw any rugby although I did watch what appeared to be international bullrush (it had a ball that was only competed for in the air – always followed by a penalty against the loser) for a bit but I doubt anyone would be concerned about that rubbish.

Maybe Little Andrew’s statement of apology wasn’t so well timed after all.

EDIT: I have since read there was a rugby test in Oz. Why would that greatly concern NZers?
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June 19, 2016 11:06am
Dave_1924

Fair enough Lucia re Jo Cox…. definitely needs investigating and the killer deserves a long quiet life looking at bars
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June 19, 2016 11:06am
calendar girl

@ Lucia 10:11am –

“……charged Saturday with the murder of Jo Cox, a 41-year-old member of the center-left Labour Party …”

Dave_1924 was right (above) in his warning about the “far right” description being applied to the killer in the “NZ Herald” article. Similarly, the British Labour Party being described in the article as “centre-left” under its present hard-left leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

It’s all in the way the left frame the language to suit their own ends.
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June 19, 2016 11:07am
Manolo

On the barbaric followers of the religion of peace: http://nypost.com/2016/06/18/why-the-lone-wolf-terrorist-is-a-myth/

President Obama says don’t worry, the Orlando terrorist was just another “lone actor” operating in isolation, unconnected to any larger group of supporters. In fact, these so-called “lone wolves” are running in packs, and suggesting otherwise gives the public a false sense of security.
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June 19, 2016 11:10am
minus

A WhaleOil comment I consider worth repeating on kiwiblog considering other opinions passed here from time to time …

Cadwallader
I find the world-wide assertions of Islam’s “criminal code” alarming. By making a pronouncement that homosexuals will be put to death, the Islamo big-wigs are ignoring state boundaries, the (possible) religious affiliations of the homosexuals and the norms of each sovereign state. The screaming lefties were indignant that the TPPA was going to rob NZ of its sovereignty (forgetting for the moment the UN) but now stand idly by as an Islamo fruit-loop claims jurisdiction across all national boundaries. Inconsistent?
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/06/australian-national-imams-council-confirms-punishment-homsexuality-death/#more-256169
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June 19, 2016 11:21am
backster

As Little now admits he was wrong I suppose his next step will have to be to apologise in the house for misleading Parliament.
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June 19, 2016 11:30am
Ross12

Tom Hunter @9.59

Of course the writer has a point. The immigrants to the USA went to basically an empty space and started a new life and country from scratch not hindered by any history related to that land. Of course there were the American Indians there but relatively speaking it was a very sparse population.
Also when the mass immigration to the USA occurred there was a wide range of nationalities and cultures arriving at basically the same time and they just had to get with each other to survive.
In Europe they have thousands of years of history attached to every village, in most cases. So of course there is going to major issues when people of a significantly different culture move into the area.
For people not understand this very basic difference seems incredible to me.
Even in the USA today we are seeing similar issues when they “only” have 2-3 hundred years of history to look at.
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June 19, 2016 11:32am
EAD

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/06/the-selective-compassion-of-jo-cox

I urge anyone who thinks the “alt-right’ types have been too harsh on MP Jo Cox, or that they’ve have afforded her insufficient sympathy, to read he Occidental Observer article linked to above. She represents everything I despise.

Small section:

Jo Cox wanted to make the world a better place and it was a cause for which she was willing to travel halfway across the globe. Whether consoling rape victims in Darfur or bombed out villagers in Afghanistan, it seemed the jet-setting international aid worker was rarely far from the action.

Lately it had been the struggle of Syrian war refugees to get to the West that touched her heart, and their plight was a subject she returned to again and again after becoming a Member of Parliament. It seemed there was no victims anywhere she could not empathise with.

Except, perhaps, with one striking omission.

And that would be the White child rape victims of Muslim grooming gangs in her own back yard. For her West Yorkshire constituency is near the epicentre of the Muslim child rape epidemic that has been sweeping the Labour heartlands of northern England, largely ignored or covered up by social services workers, police and politicians.

For it is a striking omission that of all the subjects she enjoyed sounding off on, this world-famous crisis affecting the poorest Whites on her doorstep was not one of them. One cannot help wonder if this shrewd silence was connected to the fact that her lavishly paid MPs job in the constituency of Batley and Spen largely depended on the support of the local Muslim community.
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June 19, 2016 11:48am
Reid

In 2003, just four days before the Swedish referendum on joining the Eurozone, a prominent pro-Euro MP, Anna Lindh, was stabbed to death in a public place. The man later convicted, claimed to have no idea why he had done it, and no political motive was ever suggested for the killing.

Nevertheless many people predicted that the brutal death of a pro-Euro MP, so soon before the vote, would have a massive effect on the results. In the end it did not, and Sweden voted to stay out.

In 2016, just seven days before the UK referendum on leaving the EU, a prominent pro-EU MP, Jo Cox, was shot to death in a public place. The man accused has been described by neighbours as “quiet, bit of a loner, keen gardener”, with no known political opinions, and, according to “records obtained by” the Southern Poverty Law Centre, as a white-supremacist Hitler-supporter with a houseful of Nazi regalia and other incriminating items…

Boy these big decisions are really dangerous for MPs, aren’t they. Guess some people just don’t like it when the sheeple give signs of getting uppity and falling out of the line that so much time and money has been spent laying out to them. WTF is the matter with the useless eaters, they say to their peers in the club. Don’t they know their place is not to question, not to reason, but just to go baaaaa, like they always do? Honestly!

https://off-guardian.org/2016/06/18/history-as-ghastly-repetition-anna-lindh-jo-cox/
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June 19, 2016 12:10pm
Albert_Ross

I have a rugby question for those with greater expertise.

Suppose a forward were to be sent off, would it be illegal, or just not a good idea, for one of the backs to join the scrum in his absence?

thanks
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June 19, 2016 12:12pm
stephieboy

EAD,

“..For her West Yorkshire constituency is near the epicentre of the Muslim child rape epidemic that has been sweeping the Labour heartlands of northern England, largely ignored or covered up by social services workers, police and politicians..”.

Actual evidence that Jo Cox should of been aware of ?
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June 19, 2016 12:24pm
Jack5

StephieX – sunset today in Mount Wellington – 5.11 pm.

Less than five hours until food!
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June 19, 2016 12:29pm
Chuck Bird

I just seen the comments on Heather du Plessis-Allan’s Herald article. She does not have many supporters and there are plenty who rubbished her idea of compare Jews and Muslims. Not many Jewish suicide bombers.
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June 19, 2016 12:36pm
Ross12

Albert_Ross

That will often happen at scrum time EXCEPT for the front row ( I think that is against the rules especially in internationals , super rugby etc. –basically it is a player safety issue) I can recall Nonu putting his weight, at times in recent years –especially when the scrum is near the try line.
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June 19, 2016 12:37pm
mikenmild

Chuck
Jewish suicide squad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHk2RSMCS8
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June 19, 2016 12:38pm
SGA

Albert_Ross at 12:12 pm

Suppose a forward were to be sent off, would it be illegal, or just not a good idea, for one of the backs to join the scrum in his absence?

Generally just not a good idea – backs usually have the wrong body shape for the tight five, and dropping one into a loose forward role creates an automatic overlap for the opposition backs at set pieces. That said, there might be specific scenarios where it might work (e.g., attempting a push over try at scrum).
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June 19, 2016 12:43pm
mikenmild

Ross/Albert
Only specialist front-rowers can play in that position in all grades of rugby. Teams have top specify front-row replacements on the team sheet. If a front rower cannot be replaced by a trained player, the scrums are de-powered (golden oldies). Any other player may join a scrum, but I think it’s just a maximum of 8 players allowed.
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June 19, 2016 12:43pm
Jack5

Re Chuck Bird at 12.36 on Heather Du Plessis-Allan (married to the radio man, so she’s Mrs Barely Sober, not that she’s at all a tippler).

Do you think Du Plessis-Allan is projecting some residual guilt for being born a Jaapie on to New Zealand?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/70857862/The-real-Heather-du-Plessis-Allan
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June 19, 2016 12:44pm
stephieboy

#AskTheGays: Donald Trump mocked online after saying ‘Ask the gays’ to find out if he is LGBT friendly

“Donald Trump told anyone who doubted he was LGBT friendly to ‘ask the gays’ – and LGBT people online certainly gave him an answer.
The gaffe occurred during a speech at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta on Wednesday.
“Ask the gays what they think and what they do in not only Saudi Arabia, but many of these countries, and then you tell me who’s your friend: Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton?” said Mr Trump.
He accidentally sparked a hashtag – #AskTheGays – which was mainly populated by people mocking him and pointing out ways he and his supporters have not been LGBT friendly.
This hashtag trended as thousands of people gave their answer to his question….”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/askthegays-donald-trump-mocked-online-after-saying-ask-the-gays/
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June 19, 2016 12:47pm
Hajji

Sans sufficient makeup to ice a cake, Shillary Clinton is even less attractive than Donald Hump.
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June 19, 2016 1:01pm
Inandout

stephieboy 12.47: Gays are far more likely to love Islam over Trump. That is understandable.
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June 19, 2016 1:09pm
greybeard

Interesting: a couple of hours ago Stuff had an article by Liz Gunn, ex-NewstalkZB broadcaster who once worked with Hosking but left in 2001. She has taken 15 years to finally rubbish him for his attitude.
The headline was “Former colleague accuses Hosking of ‘overt’ workplace bullying.”
I commented on this article but now see that it has been deleted and another link put in its place.
Maybe it wasn’t quite legal?
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June 19, 2016 1:28pm
BlueGriffon

Interesting greybeard, it has most definitely been deleted but our most helpful friends on the lefty blogs have posted it for us to see (until the lawyers get to them too!).

As soon as I see the term “neo liberal” I usually stop reading any further but managed to get through that vitriol. How the hell did it even get published!

Its all related to a petition to get rid of The Hosk that now has 5,221 signatures. What were the ratings for 7 Sharp again when it had the lefty comedians on it?
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June 19, 2016 1:59pm
Nostradamus

I’ve often wondered why Facebook users have a compulsive need (so it seems) to share full details of their life with the world.

As Alan Kohler said on the ABC Media Watch programme:

ALAN KOHLER: Facebook are the, just the champions of data because they have got everybody not only using Facebook, but they reveal everything about themselves. We all kind of put our entire lives on Facebook, so Facebook knows everything about everybody. I mean, you can, you can target your advertising through Facebook to the individual. I mean nobody’s been able to do that before. It’s incredible.
— Alan Kohler, Editor in Chief, Business Spectator

It seems that Facebook’s CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, wants to expand the reach of Facebook from shared documents to shared thoughts:

Mark Zuckerberg already has persuaded you to share your status updates, photos and videos with the world. But you’re still being stingy, Zuckerberg insists. You ought to share your unfiltered thoughts with everyone as well.

During an on-site Q&A on Wednesday, Zuckerberg traced the evolution of online communications from text to photo to video to live video, predicting that virtual reality would be next. After that, he said, he dreams of a sort of techno-telepathy in which people will “capture” and “share” their thoughts and feelings direct from their heads.

This is not the first time Zuck has salivated over mind-reading, an apparent preoccupation of the young chief executive. He first called telepathy the “the future of communication” almost exactly one year ago.

The article I’ve linked to has a detailed quote from Zuckerberg, so you can see exactly what he said, in his own words.
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June 19, 2016 2:03pm
Scott Chris

Hajji (604 comments) says:
June 19th, 2016 at 1:01 pm
Sans sufficient makeup to ice a cake, Shillary Clinton is even less attractive than Donald Hump.

Kind of thing Gabby would say. You’re not the same troll by any chance?
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June 19, 2016 2:03pm
Scott Chris

SGA (3,807 comments) says:
June 19th, 2016 at 12:43 pm
Albert_Ross at 12:12 pm

Suppose a forward were to be sent off, would it be illegal, or just not a good idea, for one of the backs to join the scrum in his absence?

Generally just not a good idea – backs usually have the wrong body shape for the tight five, and dropping one into a loose forward role creates an automatic overlap for the opposition backs at set pieces. That said, there might be specific scenarios where it might work (e.g., attempting a push over try at scrum).

Pretty sure that if you run out of replacement props or hookers scrums are set but are uncontested. Not sure about locks.
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June 19, 2016 2:08pm
Nostradamus

Scott Chris:

Pretty sure that if you run out of replacement props or hookers scrums are set but are uncontested. Not sure about locks.

You might want to choose your words carefully as, somewhere in Thailand, Starboard’s eyes will light up when he reads this.

Props = sex toys
Hookers = ladyboys
Scrums = group sex with ladyboys
Locks = handcuffs

Sounds like an exciting night for some people, I guess!
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June 19, 2016 2:16pm
stigie

Nostra, sounds like you’ve had the pleasure ole chap..?
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June 19, 2016 2:40pm
renderer

Former MP Hone Harawira is getting back into politics and will stand for Māori electorate seat Te Tai Tokerau again in next year’s election, he says.

He obviously thinks people have short memories
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June 19, 2016 2:44pm
itstricky

Chuck Bird (6,421 comments) says:
June 19th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
I just seen the comments on Heather du Plessis-Allan’s Herald article.

Just so you can get some equal rubbishing, Chuck:

http://m.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/06/or_should_we_blame_the_father.html#comment-1731971
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June 19, 2016 2:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

Re Hone:
Much as I think Kelvin Davis has been a disappointment in Parliament, he will clean Hone’s clock again.
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June 19, 2016 2:54pm
Happychappy

Captain
Don’t under estimate Hone’s team with people like Hone Sadler and other Elders
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June 19, 2016 2:58pm
waikatogirl

Good to hear Aaron Cruden’s health scare has been cleared after his neck was crunched in a tackle in last nights test.

🙂
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June 19, 2016 3:41pm
Shawn Herles

The moral perversion and insanity of the Liberal-Left.

“No, President Obama, Americans Don’t Need to Examine Themselves”

“President Obama’s predictable reaction to the latest heinous, unprovoked terrorist massacre of innocent citizens on American soil would be embarrassing if it weren’t so disgraceful. This man’s term can’t end quickly enough.

There is just no excuse for Obama’s warped moral compass — the way he excuses the culpable. And his judgments are not happening in a vacuum; they are guiding his policies, which are leading to more, not fewer, attacks against us.

After the deadliest mass shooting in the history of the United States — at the hands of an Islamic terrorist at an Orlando, Florida, nightclub — Obama couldn’t sprint to the lectern fast enough to tell Americans not to believe our lying eyes, saying we should view this slaughter through his perverse prism.

Obama has a selfish interest in denying that this was an act of Islamic terrorism by an Islamic terrorist, which would be an admission of the failure of his policies. He has virtually withdrawn the United States from the war on terror unilaterally, operating on the grossly reckless assumption that Islamic terrorism springs from economic motivations, our recent military actions in the Middle East or some other such nonsense.

Obama simply will not identify this (or similar outrageous attacks) as an act of Islamic jihad. He will only say the FBI is investigating it as a generic “act of terrorism.” He said: “We’ve reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer. … And I’ve directed that we must spare no effort to determine what — if any — inspiration or association this killer may have had with terrorist groups.”

Anyone with average intelligence and observation skills knows that Islamists are at war with “infidels,” and the United States, being the “Great Satan,” is at the very top of that list. It doesn’t matter what our policies are, and it doesn’t matter how rich or poor these religious ideologues are; they aim to kill those who won’t submit or convert. And this isn’t rank speculation. They tell us this every time they open their mouths.

Obama has this bizarre notion that if we would just be nicer to the terrorists — if we’d release the detainees from Guantanamo Bay, if we’d quit intervening in other nations’ internal affairs (oops, scratch that one, because Obama gets to violate this at will) and if we’d renounce the use of enhanced interrogation techniques — the terrorists would come around, or at least their ability to recruit would be diminished. I’m sorry, but I didn’t realize the United States has been inciting Islamic terrorists since the seventh century.

As with almost every other tragic event, Obama is exploiting this as a platform to preach on gun control. He said: “This massacre is … a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or a movie theater or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision, as well.”

This is unspeakably grotesque. Why must Obama and the left always go here? Why must they always blame the hardware — the inanimate objects — rather than the people pulling the triggers? And for the information of this self-styled constitutional law professor, we decided at our founding that we were going to be the kind of country that has a robust right to bear arms.

Just as objectionably, Obama said, “We need to demonstrate that we are defined more — as a country — by the way they lived their lives than by the hate of the man who took them from us.”

So Americans who had nothing to do with this mass killing have the burden of proving we are not defined by the hate of the terrorist? This really takes the cake. There are no words to sufficiently describe this insanity. Americans in general have nothing to prove here. It is leftist officeholders and their enablers who must explain why they won’t take the handcuffs off our military, law enforcement and intelligence services and have the government do its job of protecting and defending the United States and its citizens.

More than access to guns, Obama’s insistence on keeping our heads in the sand and tying our hands behind our backs is imperiling all of us. Inviting the invasion of our borders without regard for who represents a danger to Americans, refusing to identify our enemy and playing footsie with the Islamic State group overseas are imperiling Americans. If anyone needs a lecture, it’s not ordinary Americans; it’s Obama and his fellow finger-wagging leftists, who keep mouthing their mantra that we need to examine ourselves to see what we are doing to cause these acts.

No, they need to examine themselves, apologize to the rest of us and get out of the way so that the adults in this nation can take the imperative steps to identify the enemy, fight the war and defend America and Americans.”

http://humanevents.com/2016/06/15/no-president-obama-americans-dont-need-to-examine-themselves/
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June 19, 2016 4:14pm
greybeard

Thanks, BlueGriffon. I was beginning to think I had imagined the whole thing !
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June 19, 2016 4:27pm
doggone7

Keeping Stock @ 9:31 am

Are you going to give Little some praise for having learned how to employ that ruse? And when the ones he has observed so much and learned from do similar, are you going to comment that they are all class?
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June 19, 2016 4:31pm
doggone7

Albert_Ross @ 12:12 pm

One of the backs can join the scrum in his absence but not in the front row. If front rowers are not available to scrum as someone said, scrums are depowered.

(Having said that it is possible a lower grade game could have someone playing in the backs who legitimately was usually, or used to be, a front rower. Not trying to complicate the issue!))
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June 19, 2016 4:41pm
Don the Kiwi

Shawn Herles (13,032 comments) says:
June 19th, 2016 at 4:14 pm
The moral perversion and insanity of the Liberal-Left.
“No, President Obama, Americans Don’t Need to Examine Themselves”

Agree with your comment Shawn – I am just amazed though, that one of the stephieboy syndicate have not come on here to decry your ‘obviously warped’ perspective. 😉

Perhaps they are too weak from the Ramadan fast – wait till after 6.
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June 19, 2016 5:03pm
Fletch

Islamists attack fans at a Radiohead listening party in Turkey…

Variety reports:

A group of radical Islamists attacked a listening party in Istanbul where Radiohead was holding a listening party for fans in support of their new album.

The men reportedly stormed the record store, Velvet Indieground, in Istanbul, Turkey, and used pipes to violently beat fans running away from the venue for drinking alcohol during the holy month of Ramadan.

“Our hearts go out to those attacked tonight at Velvet IndieGround in Istanbul,” Radiohead said in a statement. “We hope that someday we will be able to look back on such acts of violent intolerance as things of the ancient past. For now, we can only offer our fans in Istanbul our love and support.”

http://variety.com/2016/music/news/radiohead-listening-party-in-istanbul-attacked-by-islamists-1201798367/
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June 19, 2016 5:15pm
renderer

The Kingsland kook has 2½ weeks left in her palace

I am relying on that Local Government and Environment Select Committee Report to support my rates case Appeal (hearing 6 July 2016 Auckland High Court).

To my knowledge it is the first time someone has focused on the failure of a Council to comply with the statutory requirements of the Public Records Act 2005 (s.17), as a reason for disputing and refusing to pay rates.

All I have ever wanted, is to know EXACTLY where public rates monies have been paid on private sector consultants and contractors by Auckland Council
(previously Auckland City Council) and Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs).

I’m not budging until the following information is made available, on the front page of Auckland Council and CCO websites, under ‘Procurement – Awarded Contracts’:

The unique contract number.

The name of the consultant / contractor.

A brief description of the scope of the contract.

The contract start and finish dates.

The exact dollar value of every contract, including those sub-contracted.

How the contract was awarded, by public tender or direct appointment.
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June 19, 2016 6:27pm
Happychappy

Why should Penny be any different and have any more rights than any other ratepayer who pay their rates every year.This excuse for a female is a bludger and Auckland Super City should put a stop to her charade and games she is playing and ask the courts for a order to sell her property o they can recover her costs and outstanding rates.This activist that gets nothing done is depriving other rate payers of other amenities if her rates and court costs were paid
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June 19, 2016 7:12pm
Nostradamus

I commented on the select committee report yesterday. The report authors made no specific findings, and proposed no further specific action, as a result of the matters that Penny raised. The select committee report is completely irrelevant to the matter to be considered by the High Court on 6 July. Penny is deluding herself if she expects a High Court judge to take any notice of a vague report about Auckland Council’s recordkeeping practices under one statute, written by politicians, as somehow being relevant to a straightforward statutory interpretation issue about rate payment obligations under a different statute.
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June 19, 2016 7:33pm
Viking2

Wellington Airport has abandoned a bid to reach a deal to allow Uber to operate on its property, because of regulations imposing a duty of care as landlord.

Currently the technology company operates at Wellington Airport under the threat of trespass, as in picking up passengers they avoid paying the $5 fee faced by regular taxis.

The mobile application-based company allows users to order rides from their phones, with the drivers subject to less regulation than mainstream taxi services.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/81202160/wellington-airport-does-uturn-over-uber-due-to-nzta-regulations

Much more work for Bridges to do.
But will he?
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June 19, 2016 7:39pm
Viking2

Happychappy (564 comments) says:
June 19th, 2016 at 10:43 am

Just about every week in Parliamentary Question time you hear Labours Finance Spokesman Grant Robertson wofling on about how NZ Trade is not in good shape due to the downturn in Dairy.So as this idiot only likes listening to his own voice he forgets the good happenings in other Trade
Sectors like this on “Wine Sales Surging Towards $2 Billion A Year” wine has doubled it’s earnings in the past decade according to ANZ Agri Focus report, sales of $1.97 Billion a year and has had a Annual growth of 8.4% in the last 10years.Well isn’t this great for National as diversity in NZ Trade is bringing good results in other business ventures to the table
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Except the 8.4% in 10 years ain’t that great and that most of the wineries are now owned by oversea’s interests doesn’t do much for NZ.
Wonder how much tax they pay into the IRD in NZ?
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June 19, 2016 7:45pm
Rachael Membery

Well done that homeless man who said not to give the homeless on the street money, if National had said that that they would have been accused of lying that a homeless person would refuse ‘help’!!
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June 19, 2016 7:52pm
Longknives

Is Stuff’s latest attack on Wayne Barnes really necessary?
New Zealand Media (and the fans who lap this sort of childish nonsense up) really are confirming what the rest of the Rugby World already thought about their one-eyed arrogance…
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June 19, 2016 7:53pm
Happychappy

Viking 2
Would you like to show your information showing what % of wineries are owned by overseas interests.
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June 19, 2016 8:31pm
Jack5

The Islamicist terror spreads to Egypt: Christian girls being kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681009/Christian-girls-abducted-forced-to-convert-to-Islam-spate-horror-kidnappings-Egypt
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June 19, 2016 8:50pm
Colville

Happychappy.
Montana ,Craggy range, Sacred hill, Trinity, Matua , Ponder, Crawford, Framingham, Palliser, Te Awa , Gibston, Nobilo, Cloudy Bay are all owned (by 50+ %) by overseas intrests.
Of the biggies only Villa Maria and Delgats are NZ owned I think.

At least Te Mata is still 100% Kiwi. I love that Bullnose.
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June 19, 2016 9:02pm
rangitoto

Kurdish news agencies are reporting rumours that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been taken out in an airstrike. Meanwhile Fallujah has been recaptured by the Iraqi government.
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June 19, 2016 9:31pm
RalphT

Viking2, the growth in wine exports is not 8.4% over the last ten years; the article stated that annual growth had averaged 8.4% for each of the last ten years, which is actually pretty good.
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June 19, 2016 9:42pm
Manolo

Selling fear does not always pay off:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3649378/Cameron-lashes-Farage-trying-frighten-voters-insists-politicians-shun-hatred-respect-memory-Jo-Cox.html
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