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June 15, 2016 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Reid

It’s possible that we’re not sufficiently critical but don’t you think it’s more likely to be wet behind the ears, socialist reporters who want to make a difference, just like their counterparts in the teaching racket, who are responsible for the crap?

No because every media company in the Western world does it from senior seasoned “journos” to juniors. If you’re correct then why does it happen across the gamit, across every Western country? (And notice not many non-Western societies do the same. For example the transgender madness. Yet ALL repeat ALL Western societies broadcast in virtual lockstep, just enough out of step so’s the sheeple don’t notice it’s lockstep. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?)

Like always, I prefer simple explanations…..they’re usually right.

So do I nasska and the simplest explanation is: it’s co-ordinated.
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June 15, 2016 8:10pm
mikenmild

I think the simplest explanation is that you are a paranoid fruitcake, Reid.
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June 15, 2016 8:14pm
Reid

My predictions come true mm.

No, Iraq didn’t have any WMDs.

Yes, Libya was a regime change operation and would be a disaster for the Libyan people.

Yes, Syria is a regime change operation and is a disaster for the Syrian people.

Yes, Akld house prices since 2008 were caused by Chinese immigration with access to cheap Chinese money.

etc

etc

etc

You never make predictions, rather you specialise exclusively in slimy innuendo.

If I’m wrong, give us some examples of your predictions.

Meanwhile I’ll search today’s thread for your slime.
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June 15, 2016 8:29pm
mikenmild

My favourite prediction of yours would be the one about the presidential election being decided in advance in favour of Jeb Bush.
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June 15, 2016 8:31pm
Nostradamus

I see my 7:02pm has attracted two downticks (so far). That’s fine, but can someone could tell me when a person (in this case a 16-year-old) can be described as a “transgender student”?

Wikipedia (yes I know…) describes the transitioning process:

Transitioning is a complicated process that involves any or all of the gendered aspects of a person’s life. Below are some common parts of transitioning. …

Social, psychological, and legal
– Coming out
– Gender role changes
– Passing
– Legally and/or socially changing their name to something consistent with their gender identity[5]
– Asking others to use a set of pronouns different from before; for example, a trans man would ask to be referred to as he rather than she, or a genderqueer/non-binary person might ask to be referred to as they or by a pronoun like ze
– Having one’s legal gender changed on their driver’s license, ID, birth certificate, etc.
– Personal relationships take on different dynamics in accordance with gender
– Altering objects worn to better represent gender identity
– Adopting mannerisms consistent with the new gender role
– Adopting a new sexual role and/or performing new sexual acts, especially if the body’s sex organs have changed
– A person’s ideas about gender in general may change which may affect their religious, philosophical and/or political beliefs

Physical
– Surgical procedures, including on the genitals, face, Adam’s apple, chest, vocal cords, and others
– Hormone replacement therapy
– Epilation with laser hair removal and/or electrolysis
– Changing one’s speaking and/or singing voice with voice training

Answers on a postcard please!
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June 15, 2016 8:37pm
nasska

….”I see my 7:02pm has attracted two downticks (so far).”…..

They’re a tough mob on this board Nostra.

I got a downtick for agreeing with you! 🙂
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June 15, 2016 8:41pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

I think anyone who posts a clear and unambiguous prediction, on Kiwiblog or elsewhere, deserves credit. And by clear and unambiguous I mean a specific prediction like “X will happen by [date]” – not “X will happen” because that leaves too much wiggle room for “I said it’ll happen but not when”.

Just out of interest, though, have you made any predictions that subsequently turned out to be incorrect? I’m not asking in the “gotcha” sense – my interest is more in understanding whether you made a prediction that you wouldn’t make again, not because you got it wrong, but because a completely new set of information has emerged (so, with that information, you wouldn’t make a similar prediction today). Hope that distinction makes sense.
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June 15, 2016 8:47pm
Griff

Unfortunately nostra how you or anyone else sees the person in question has no bearing on how they see them self’s
society has always had such oddity’s
We used to all laugh at them in prime time TV
With it aint half hot mom or are you being served having central characters who were of indeterminate sex.
My GF deals with a few and even at fifteen they are certain as to their identity it is just us who are not.
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June 15, 2016 8:50pm
Reid

My favourite prediction of yours would be the one about the presidential election being decided in advance in favour of Jeb Bush.

Just out of interest, though, have you made any predictions that subsequently turned out to be incorrect? I’m not asking in the “gotcha” sense – my interest is more in understanding whether you made a prediction that you wouldn’t make again, not because you got it wrong, but because a completely new set of information has emerged

Does that help nosty?

Of course Slimy, being slimy, doesn’t understand (or rather, does but pretends he doesn’t), politics is a constantly moving field.

But some things are eternal.

Slimy will always be so, for instance.

Some poor souls will go to their graves hallucinating and babbling about how Iraq had WMDs.

But I repeat myself.
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June 15, 2016 8:53pm
Keeping Stock

So I wonder how much dosh Earl and Lani Hagaman are seeking from Andrew Little

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11657175

I hope he doesn’t think that the taxpayer is going to pay for his imtemperate remarks. He needs to own his own words, and if they are found to be defamatory, cop it sweet.
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June 15, 2016 8:55pm
Nostradamus

Griff:

I understand what you’re saying.

In this case, though, we have a media article that describes someone as a “transgender student”. That’s a statement of fact or, to put it neutrally, an objective description. My question really is what objective criteria (which really means generally accepted criteria) justifies that description. The mainstream media has jumped on the transgender bandwagon. That’s fine, I guess, but journalistic accuracy is important. And in this case the article doesn’t adequately deal with the suggestion (I don’t say fact because it’s disputed) that Stefani she agreed to use the boys’ bathrooms when she enrolled. The suggestion is only mentioned in passing. So the article was a bit too one-sided for my liking.
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June 15, 2016 8:57pm
Nostradamus

Keeping stock:

From your linked article:

A spokesman for Mr Little confirmed Mr Little had been advised the Hagamans had filed proceedings and had agreed to service via his solicitor. He said Mr Little has not used any Parliamentary funding to cover his legal costs.

MPs can get their costs reimbursed for legal proceedings taken against them in their capacity as an MP. The approval of the party leader and the Speaker is required. That does not have to be disclosed, because only ministers are subject to the Official Information Act. The money comes out of a party’s leader’s fund – a sum given to party leaders to run their Parliamentary units which is based on the number of MPs the party has.

So Andrew Little has two options: tap into the leader’s fund (which means the money isn’t available for other things) or pay the costs personally. But because the matter doesn’t have to be disclosed, I’m not sure we’ll ever know…
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June 15, 2016 9:01pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Airport security is entirely pointless; Any adult can hide 500-1000g of high explosives in their bum or uterus, or more in their abdomen (with a bit more preparation, via surgery, which is possible to do on oneself), and there are freely available non detectable ignitors available (such as used in bullets).

There will never be any socially acceptable way of checking for these.
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June 15, 2016 9:08pm
Captain Mainwaring

Re: Little vs. the Hagemans.
Labour Party has no money, taxpayers aren’t interested, and the grumpy little man is probably regretting the fact that he didn’t protect his half of what’s left of his modest house (after the mortgage is accounted for) in one of those trust things that he so despises.
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June 15, 2016 9:09pm
Griff

They are usually very certain by the time they have reached high school so probably should be considered fully transsexual in the early stages of whatever way they chose to affirm their sexuality. Some dont chose to go thought the entire process of physical gender reassignment

To come out and be openly trans takes one hell of a lot guts as well as certainty as they become open to bullying for being different.
We all know how kids and adults can be cruel to those who are different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3JAAxFYEws
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June 15, 2016 9:14pm
Nostradamus

UrbanNeocolonialist:

Any adult can hide 500-1000g of high explosives in their bum or uterus

Does that involve a handheld detonator?
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June 15, 2016 9:18pm
nasska

….”To come out and be openly trans takes one hell of a lot guts as well as certainty as they become open to bullying for being different.
We all know how kids and adults can be cruel to those who are different.”…

I must remember to be nicer to Harriet! 🙂
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June 15, 2016 9:19pm
starboard

The trans whatever..he has a penis so he is male. He will use the male toilet. There is no issue. Its black and white.
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June 15, 2016 9:22pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Interestingly, Harriet chose this thread to declare that he’s “not gay” and has a “missus [who] used to be a model”.

RRM was quick on the uptake:

Uh, Harriet’s a pretty funny name for a dude, dude.

And, after a back-and-forth, RRM added:

I’d be a lot more impressed if your name was Harriet, and you had a missus who used to be a model ? Then maybe you two could put on a show or something.
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June 15, 2016 9:23pm
nasska

Two Thai girls asked Starboard if he wanted to sleep with them. They said it would be like winning Lotto.

To his horror they were right… the trio had six matching balls.
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June 15, 2016 9:23pm
Griff

starboard did one of your lady boys tell you this ?
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June 15, 2016 9:24pm
Gabby

Sounds like Robert J. Dowlut might have committed a shooting offence, Don Peewee.
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June 15, 2016 9:25pm
starboard

..and scottchris, nasska.
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June 15, 2016 9:25pm
mikenmild

Nostradamus
Did you catch up with this comment from earlier today:

Hmm maybe; take commenter Harriet (Harry) as an example of that. On the other hand there’s Starboard who appears to be the classic gay self-loather but doesn’t profess any religious affiliation.
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June 15, 2016 9:28pm
nasska

….”Harriet chose this thread to declare that he’s “not gay” and has a “missus [who] used to be a model”….

It was all just a smokescreen Nostra. 🙂
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June 15, 2016 9:29pm
Gabby

What would you like Andy to say to you, crappyflappytrappychappy?
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June 15, 2016 9:29pm
starboard

Did you get an erection griff writing ” ladyboy “. I bet you did. ( you’re not a man ’til you’ve had a man eh griffy )
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June 15, 2016 9:30pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

I missed that comment. I’ve just looked it up and Starboard will be pleased to find out that it was a Scott Chris comment. I’m feeling the love between Scott Chris and Starboard today!
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June 15, 2016 9:31pm
Northland Wahine

Nasska, and starboard had the bonus ball?

Sorry starboard, I couldn’t resist!
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June 15, 2016 9:33pm
Griff

you’re not a man ’til you’ve had a man eh griffy

If you insist starboard.
you can call me lad from now on .
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June 15, 2016 9:34pm
Captain Mainwaring

1,038 reasons not to lend your meds to wikiriwank.
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June 15, 2016 9:40pm
Gabby

Good number-reading skills there, Cap’n Wankstaining.
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June 15, 2016 9:43pm
Nostradamus

Gabby:

Don Peewee
crappyflappytrappychappy
Cap’n Wankstaining

It seems that your only reason for coming here (based on your three comments so far) is to trade pointless insults. Any chance of you making a serious contribution to this thread?
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June 15, 2016 9:46pm
RRM

The thing I’m MOST looking forward to about the coming Trump presidency, is all the protest music it will inevitably inspire:

https://youtu.be/wiDmqjGwIE4

American Idiot, 12 years old this September and still a fucking awesome song. My 4yo and my 2yo were going nuts dancing and bouncing around the lounge to it earlier this evening!
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June 15, 2016 9:50pm
Left Right and Centre

If I start right now – I’ll be here for fuck knows how long trying to keep with the Pora thread, GD, NZ Values, refugee increase – and the newsites to look at. Holy shit – *really* ?? I’ve got other shit to as well – this is a nightmare – hahaha

I watched a bit of Fair Go which was a ‘meth special’ (I thought it was ‘mirth’ but stayed anyway) – they had all these meth testing businesses – I had mixed feelings about them based on how they came across to me. One fella I thought was ok, made all the right noises and I’d probably use him. And then others had the old alarm bells going right off. Some white kiwi woman from Detect It NZ – she actually fucking said ‘anythingk’ – with a ‘k’ on the end. I don’t know about you but I ain’t forking over great wads of cash to some outfit where a grown woman has an atrocious kiwi accent, sounding as sophisticated as a four year old child and says ‘anythingk’. And some young fella trying to sound professional and worldly beyond his meagre sum total existence – too funny. Mate – smart people are laughing at that put-on crap – hahahaha. Look up Billy Connolly ‘feng shui’. At 22 – you’re not a fuckin expert on *anything*.

Meth is another nightmare for this country – geez, how depressing – people dealing with meth houses – shitty mcshit shit
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June 15, 2016 10:27pm
Left Right and Centre

general fat people . . .
I’m at NW because their bananas are actually from planet earth – and these two middle-aged fat as anything white couple walk in – I hear her say blah blah get bananas – uh oh. And she’s panting like a fuckin dog one metre from me. Then she looks at me – why ? Looking for a moment of shared humanity. Um – sure, ok – how do I play this one ? I give her a short weird smile. Happy ?

Off she waddles. What the fuck is wrong with her ? She’s panting and gasping for breath – what, from walking from the car to the shop ? And that’s in my face – what does she think that’s like for other people ? I should’ve blown my breath in her face – was that good for you ? Fuckin idiots.

general ugly save – nazz – you say you love these tales – being an idiot, I just kept using my old lock until the key broke off trying to undo it. This is Porirua. This is a no-brainer. Um – can you help destroy my fuckin padlock ? One young brown fella is trying to turn the lock with a steak knife. (his woman seemed like a sweetheart – had a kid of course) No good. But thanks for trying. Then I had the help of a big brown bloke in overalls who improvised with a cutting tool. He was totally awesome and not at all overtly cuzzy-bro. You know that song ‘I was made for loving you baby, you were made for lov-ving me ? He was made for breaking shit. Well done. It’s Porirua – that’s just a light warm-up job.
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June 15, 2016 10:43pm
RichardX

Reid (21,162 comments) says:
June 15th, 2016 at 8:53 pm
My favourite prediction of yours would be the one about the presidential election being decided in advance in favour of Jeb Bush.

Just out of interest, though, have you made any predictions that subsequently turned out to be incorrect? I’m not asking in the “gotcha” sense – my interest is more in understanding whether you made a prediction that you wouldn’t make again, not because you got it wrong, but because a completely new set of information has emerged
Does that help nosty?

Of course Slimy, being slimy, doesn’t understand (or rather, does but pretends he doesn’t), politics is a constantly moving field.
…

Very slimy rewrite of history there Reid

You specifically claimed that Adelson had selected Jeb Bush as the next President as far back as November 2014
You were either telling lies then or you are telling lies now

Reid (21,162 comments) says:
November 22nd, 2014 at 10:11 am
This is how Israel buys itself into privilege in the US political system, while the US media stand aside and let it happen without a word of protest.
http://www.unz.com/article/billionaires-mobilize-for-2016/
e.g. this is where Jeb Bush was selected as the next US President:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/27/sheldon-adelson-vegas_n_5041373.html and
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-sheldon-adelson-suck-up-fest/360028/ and
http://billmoyers.com/2014/04/01/the-shame-of-american-politics-gop-presidential-hopefuls-trek-to-las-vegas-for-adelson-blessing/
Don’t believe it? Watch the media during the election runup. Look at how they behave. Watch the “scandal” emerge around whomever opposes Bush. etc
Like I’ve been saying for years, it’s a stage-managed punch and judy show for the fools who hallucinate they’re living in a real democracy.

Reid (21,162 comments) says:
March 22nd, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Wouldn’t it be amazing if both parties’ nominees were women!
Yeah but d’oh. Jeb Bush has already been chosen. This is just softening up Hilary for the big defeat that was pre-ordained, ages ago, in Las Vegas, when Sheldon decided Jeb was the best pro-Israel US pres, next time.
Therefore, no-one else has a chance.
Hence the email “scandals” to undermine the next runner.
Etc etc etc.
Duh.
Don’t you even know how to read the puppet show?

Reid (21,162 comments) says:
April 14th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
I am picking not if the successful candidate is a Republican YT.
Well Sheldon Adelson annointed Jeb in Las Vegas last year Kea so it’d be surprising if he didn’t “miraculously” win, wouldn’t it.
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June 16, 2016 12:07am
Grant

Good work RichardX
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June 16, 2016 6:46am
alex Masterley

Nostradamus,
Technically no-one is a candidate as nominations only open for candidates on 15 July 2016. For those who are interested nominations close 12 August 2016.
Penny has indicated she expects an invitation, so if one is not received she might “invite herself” which might be interesting to watch.
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June 16, 2016 7:21am
stephieboy

I wasn’t aware Reid claimed soothsayer “Beware the ides of March” capbilities or is it chicken entrails he uses ?
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June 16, 2016 7:50am
Gabby

Would ‘grow the fuck up, nosydumbarse’ be considered a sensible contribution? That sheriff’s badge is looking a bit rusty, cob.
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